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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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Katie Couric
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Katie Couric
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Urban Meyer
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Colin Cowherd
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Urban Meyer
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Colin Cowherd
Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm ebony, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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Jason McIntyre
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FS. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Thursday. Great to be back with you. And we were talking about this last hour. J. Mac sports are cyclical. The best college football team I've ever seen in my life was Nebraska. When they, the year they dismantled Florida, I was actually there. The Steve Spurrier Florida team, Fiesta Bowl, Lawrence Phillips, Tommy Frazier, their second team would have been a high end bowl team. Tom Osborne and, and they've never ever, ever for a lot of reasons been able to reclaim that glory. Now I, I, they're not Matt rules done a nice job. They're not, they're not the same. The sport outgrew them. It happens all the time. When I grew up in the 70s, the Cincinnati Reds and the Pittsburgh Pirates and the Kansas City had the best rosters in baseball. The Pirates were, I can go through the entire roster of the Reds and I can go the Yankees, by the way, the, the Yankees by the way were terrible in the 80s. But things changed with cable TV money and, and now the Royals and the Reds and the Pirates, they don't have any money. And I just saw this according to a recent poll featuring this is by on three. It's a very, very good company, very shrewd if you follow college football. They're excellent according to a recent poll featuring nil collectives, GMs, agents and administrators. Here's who's spending money in college football and that's what you got to do to win. Texas, number one. Texas Tech has a billionaire donor. He went big this year. Ohio State 3, Oregon 4 A&M and Miami 5. Michigan SC 7. USC is about 18 million now. Tennessee 9, Auburn 10. So 4 SEC schools in the top 10. No Bama. So Nick Saban saw this thing coming. Saban's like exit stage right. Two years before he left, he was grumbling about what was happening to college football. And I had a very good source close to Saban saying he was like, we can't compete with Texas. They got two billionaire donors that. And remember it was like two years before Saban left, they played Texas. Remember that game? I think it was in Tuscaloosa. And you watched that game and you went, oh snap. Texas is way bigger up front and faster. Texas had better players. Saban was still the better coach. But Saban saw it, he knew the problems. And so I don't buy that Saban's coming back to Alabama. I Don't think he's coming back to college football. I do believe the NFL hires seven new coaches a year and I think he brings instant credibility to anywhere he goes. Remember in Miami with the Dolphins, if the team doctor allows Drew Brees to play, he never takes that Bama job because he was getting things going there in Miami. And with that, Urban Meyer, three time national champ, is now joining us live as we're getting fired up for the college football season. So it's interesting, but just about Nick. Nick is one of those guys who's older, like Pete Carroll, but he doesn't play old, young, dynamic. He's an innovator. And I do think Nick and Belichick are tight. I do think like Jim Harbaugh, there's that little, that little scratch. Nick's never failed at anything. Right. He's been good. And at Miami, things a little unsettling. I do think Nick would take a call about an NFL job. Do you, Urban?
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Rob Parker
You know, I have not talked to him about this. I could guess because I know him fairly well and competed against him that it's not a little scratch. It's probably pretty big scratch. That, that's the one area that he has not, you know, you know, he, like you said, he's getting things going at Miami. I actually visited him when he was down there. But I don't think he'd go back to college. I don't see that fit. I think you're, you know, the whole idea that where the heck is Alabama? Why are they not in the top 10 in spending? I don't understand that one. And Coach DeBoer, I'd be asking some hard questions, say, what's the problem here? We can't compete, but we can't pay our players. So I agree with you. I would say very little to no chance he would get involved in college, but I think he would take phone calls from the NFL.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, let's talk Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh was rumored for years to go to the NFL and he, the minute Justin Herbert needed a head coach, Jim's like, yeah, I like that one. As you well know, you can win a national championship without a great quarterback in college. But I would argue in the NFL they're all bad jobs if you're bad at quarterback. So I mean, to me, I think, I think Nick's going to, I mean like when you look at the NFL, it's almost feels like it's a quarterback driven league, does it not?
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Rob Parker
Well, that's kind of what got Me? Not kind of. I mean, I still think Trevor Lawrence will go down as one of the great quarterbacks. I think he's going to end up having a great career. But that's so intriguing when you see a player of that caliber. If Nick Saban can get that kind of position where he, he believes that this is a Hall of Fame, future Hall of Fame quarterback or a world champion quarterback, the more I'm thinking, I think he's going to take that call. I really do. And once again, I've not talked to him about that. He's doing a great job on game day and I know Mark Ingram and him play golf together and he has a great life. But he's a competitor and I think he'd do very well.
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Jason McIntyre
So we've been talking about JJ McCarthy. Full disclosure, I liked Bo Nix better than JJ McCarthy. He'd had like five college coordinators. He was good with all of them. I watched him beat Justin Herbert as a freshman when Herbert was at Oregon, he was a freshman at Auburn and I watched him beat him. So I thought Bo Nix was going to work. I think Caleb does. I like Drake May I love Jaden Daniels. Going into NFL, I was hit and miss on JJ McCarthy and my criticism was like an Alabama quarterback never trails, not asked to carry a team, doesn't get hit much. Great coach. I mean, this is one of the reason Ohio State quarterbacks haven't historically been great. They always have the better coach and the better O line, the better receivers. I'm not a huge believer in JJ McCarthy because he hasn't been, he hasn't lived that NFL college life where you have to throw to non NFL receivers and you don't have protection and you play from behind. Where are you on jj? I know you may have to be diplomatic, but where are you on him as a talent?
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Rob Parker
No, I don't have to be diplomatic. I like J.J. i covered him quite a bit on Fox Big Noon. We had him all the time. I thought he was a great game manager. To say he's going to be a great NFL quarterback. I got. I'm skeptical a little bit because I think he's a tremendous athlete. He knows how to distribute the ball. But he, like you said that last year, that Wolverine football team that he was a quarterback, the national championship, they were loaded, they had a great defense, great offensive line, best offense line in college football. He did not get hit much. And if you remember his, his junior year, he had really or his third year, his had a hard time completing the ball downfield. They were not a downfield throwing team and he struggled with that. So I think if they surround him with great players, I think he'll be successful. But that's like all quarterbacks. But there's a lot of question marks about JJ McCarthy because of what you just said. Has he really had to bring teams from behind? He has a skill set. The thing that I like best about JJ McCarthy, he's a competitor and he's a selfless player. There was times they won games where he threw the ball 15 times and you never heard him complain about it. So I'm a JJ McCarthy fan. I like him. But there's some skepticism out there about it.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, So I think the guy that two years ago didn't work for me and I think, I think he has a chance to be the best quarterback in college football is Drew Aller. So I watched him two years ago and I thought he was a bit wild. And then last year I watched him, he was. The feet were better, he was more composed, he was more accurate. And I'm like, oh. I'm like, oh, this guy can really play. Give me your break. I think Penn State's going to play for the national championship with Texas. I think this kid, the difference between sophomore, junior year, or when I saw him two years ago and last year was like, oh, that's a first round quarterback. What do you think?
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Rob Parker
I think night and day, very concerned about Jewel. He's actually from Ohio and I saw a high school tape on him and then we covered him his sophomore year and he struggled. Last year he was much better fundamentally. But the question I have for Penn State, they have two great running backs, they have one of the best offensive lines in the country, certainly in the Big Ten. Do they have this skill on the outside? Last year they did not. That was not a typical Penn State receiving corps. And I don't know if they made it better. You know, I keep trying to research that and we'll see them early in the season, but I'm hoping they have better skill on the outside. I think everything about Penn State is a national championship contender. My question is, do they have NFL draft picks on the outside like they used to?
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Jason McIntyre
You know, I was, you know when. And this happens a lot in life where you see something happening and you're worried about it, but it actually plays to your benefit. So when the nil came out, I think a lot of coaches like Dabo Sweeney are like, I don't want to pay my players. That's not what college football is about. Here's where the NIL helps coaches. Because you spend so much time raising money to pay the players. You can't buy out coaches anymore. Alabama can't pay Kaylin DeBoer 60 million and pay Saban more money and pay. They don't have the money. And so I do think coaches, I mean, like Lincoln Riley, I know the number. He's not going anywhere. There's no way. They just spent 300 million on facilities. 18 million in nil. He's got an $80 million buyout. So I think nil actually urban protects the staff. You probably get a year or two more than you used to. What say you.
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Rob Parker
Every time I come on your show, you come up with something, Colin. I'm like, what is he talking about? And this is one of those moments. I think you're right. You're absolutely. I never thought of it that way. But how about the Wolverines, One of the best brands and biggest brands are expecting a 27,$27 million shortfall. Teams are going to start. I'm worried about this. Start dropping sports. Where is this money coming from and what you just said to go pay off a coaching staff because the head coach has a buyout, but then you also have to pay off all those assistant coaches. So this is one of those moments. Colin, you got me again. I think you're absolutely right that you're going to see the, the Texas A and M paint off coaches like they used to. I don't think you can do that anymore. There's not enough money.
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Jason McIntyre
Finally, I think the best player in college football, and he won't be eligible, is Jermaine Smith. I think Ohio State's receiver. And I'm, I'm trying to think of somebody. I'd have to go back to Hugh Green, that played for Pittsburgh, where I literally saw somebody and I thought, oh, he'd be an elite NFL player. As a sophomore in college, Jamar Chase at LSU felt like that. You're like, yeah, he's an NFL player playing on Saturdays. He's way too good for college football. How do you coach a guy that is so good and so gifted? How do you keep him engaged? How do you keep him focused? How do you keep him happy? Because he doesn't even look like a college player.
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Rob Parker
I, I've had. I can't say I've had a Jermaine Smith, Jeremiah Smith, but I've had a couple that you just got to constantly challenge them. The best thing that Ohio State has is incredible defense. So his biggest challenges, a lot of times aren't necessarily the games on Saturday. It's the Tuesday and Wednesday practice. And I felt that when I had the Nick Bosa or I had Percy Harvin or some of those guys that are just so much better than really everyone else, a lot of times better than anybody else. You play until you get to those big games, then you challenge the heck out of them at practice. And that's the good thing about Jeremiah Smith and Ohio State. His biggest, you know, his biggest challenges a lot of times are, are going against each other in practice. That's when iron sharpens iron. And I dealt with that. And I know that's what's happening in Columbus. They got some good corners. And that's one of his biggest challenges. Motivate him every day to go to work.
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Jason McIntyre
Jeremiah Smith, not Jermaine. I made a mistake. Jeremiah Smith. Finally, Texas. Ohio State playing the opener. We all want to see Arch Manning. I want to see Arch Manning. What. What will you need to see? How are you going to view that game? I don't care a lot about stats. I want to see what happens when he faces pressure. That's the. That's what I want to see. This will be the best front he faces. My guess is, what are you looking for from Arch Manning?
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Rob Parker
Really interesting here. And I got a strong opinion because I coached Tebow after he won the Heisman Trophy as a sophomore. He won the national championship as a junior his senior year. The scrutiny, the expectations. We'd be Tennessee by 14 points. He'd throw the ball and he'd be getting hammered by the media. He didn't play well enough. So I think this will be the player with the highest expectations in the last decade. I put it at the Tebow level. Where is anything going to be good enough other than a perfect game? And he plays in the sec. He's going to face SEC defenses each week. He's placed in the. Playing Ohio State, Buckeyes early. I think he's a tremendous talent. But Sark, I'm glad he's got a head coach like Sark that knows how to handle pressure like this, because the pressure on. On him will be immense. And it's going to be pressure. I think it's. We haven't witnessed this kind of pressure on a player. I'm saying since Tim Tebow senior year at the University of Florida, it was. It was nonstop, even. We'd win again. We went 12 and oh, his senior year and nothing was good enough. And I worry about that. That wears on you. That wears on the staff but most importantly, it's going to wear an arch Manning.
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Jason McIntyre
So I did a national championship bubble yesterday. I think there's five to six teams. Yeah. Okay, so here I have Clemson, Bama, Notre Dame. I don't know if Clemson has the athletes they, they. I don't know if they match up with Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Penn State. I just don't know if they do. But I like their coach and quarterback. Bama Notre Dame. I have to watch them play because I don't know what they are. At quarterback, Bama's playing a guy who hasn't played. He'd been there three years. But there are five teams that I believe look different. I love the staffs. I just, they, they're different to me. Like, like the backfield for Penn State is just different. It's all NFL guys. Anything you disagree with here?
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Rob Parker
No. I would probably throw one other team on the bubble, though. I would throw that LSU team on the bubble. You know, I think coach Kelly is a heck of a coach and they got a returning quarterback that I think just stud. So I would throw one more out there and LSU is never going to be short. They were the one team and I know you can't just stereotype a team. They were the one team when I coached the sec. Them and Georgia came walking out of that tunnel. They look different. And that stadium is a tough place to play. So I like it. I thought I'd like your top five, but I'd throw one more bubble team in there and that's lsu.
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Jason McIntyre
Urban Meyer, three time national champion coach, as always, you're making time for us and we love that. Thanks.
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Rob Parker
Good to see you, Colin.
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Jason McIntyre
Great to see you. Urban Meyer on our show which is, you know, Fox Sports, college football, Big noon. Big noon. Things happen on that show from what I, from what I hear. I read a lot and there's a lot of stuff. There are a lot of moving parts on that show. I'm not going to get into it, but big noon, there's things moving there. The wheel is spinning there. That's what I hear. May want to pull up a stool and sit down and read about it. From what I hear anyway.
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Katie Couric
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Jason McIntyre
Actually want to do. No offense Jim. Get a new Dell AIPC Starting at $699.99 at Dell.com AIPC how those ahead? Stay ahead. Hope you guys caught that Urban Meyer, who knows Nick Saban very well. Well, very, very well said. He doesn't think it's a small itch. It is a big scratch. Nick saban and the NFL. I'm I would not have spent 10 minutes on it yesterday and almost led with it today. I think nothing against being an analyst, but I just think he's very much if you told me Saban has a doppelganger, kind of a similar personality, I would say it's Jim Harbaugh. Those guys are just different level, intense and Harbaugh loved Michigan alma mater. Saban loves Bama. The minute an elite quarterback was open with a decent roster, Harbaugh bolts and Bama's not getting him back. Bama can't. These colleges can't afford buyouts for their coaches. Everybody complaining about Kalyn DeBoer. Bama didn't have that kind of money. They can't buy him out and buy Saban. That alone would be $150 million. Saban's not coming back for two years. He'd want four or five years guaranteed at 15 million a pop. Like Lincoln Riley at USC. They're win eight games this year. He's going nowhere. They just spent $300 million on facilities. They spend $18 million a year. Where do you think that money's coming from? And they're not going to pay $80 million to get rid of Lincoln Riley. So, you know, I think Urban Meyer was surprised on that. But I think college coaches should love the nil. It's guaranteed them another year or three at the College level, you can't run out. Brian Kelly. LSU can't afford it.
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Unknown Speaker
Colin. Hey, when did. I thought sports was a young man's game? When did we start talking about Bill Belichick, who's 73, going to North Carolina? Nick Saban, who's in his 70s, going back to football, LeBron in his 40? What's going on here? Why are we so obsessed with the old guys?
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Jason McIntyre
Is Andy Reid and Sean Payton, are they crushing?
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Unknown Speaker
Are we talking about them? We're not talking about them. I mean, Bill Belichick's been one of the biggest stories in sports this year. And now Nick Saban's threatening to take over the summer, the baton LeBron just handed him in mid July, and now it's going to be Nick Saban summer.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm going to take middle age to old guys over young guys. Everybody looks at Silicon valley. Zuckerberg's not 24. You know who's the smartest guy in Silicon Valley? If you ask people, Larry Ellison at Oracle. I think he's in his 70s. That's the guy that. That's Elon Musk. If you ask Elon who's the smartest guy, they're all like, oh, yeah, it's not Tim Cook at Apple, it's Larry Ellison at Oracle.
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Unknown Speaker
Aren't they putting age limits or term limits or whatever it's called on. On politicians who are like 84 and in Congress? Why don't we have coaching age limits? Let's get some new blood in there, some creative young people to. To. To try some new stuff. I'm sorry. Like, Nick Saban was an amazing coach, had a great run. I don't need to see him going back to the football, do we?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Oh, let me see. You want that coordinator from.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, I want to find the next Dan Lanning. Yeah, I want. That's what I want. I want the next young hotshot guy who's going to be awesome and creative and smart.
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Jason McIntyre
Dude, you're in the interesting business. Saban to the Cowboys. That. That is literally 50 segments. The first two weeks of the NFL season.
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Unknown Speaker
That's a tire fire waiting to happen, and you know that. Jerry Jones, isn't that doing over what Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson? Isn't that not doing that all over again?
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Jason McIntyre
No. Jerry's 82 years old. He wants to win. Saban wins, Saban win. Everybody wants. Everybody wants the hot shot young guy. You know who's the best coach in the NBA? Eric Spolster or Steve Kerr. You know who was the third best coach until about two years ago with health issues. Greg Popovich, you guys have all these young guys. Look around who are the best. Co Dabo Sweeney is not 36 years old. Look around at who is dominating sports. It is the Harbaughs are not in their 40s. Larry Ellison now I've been told is 80. Warren Buffett just retired at 80 something.
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Unknown Speaker
Is it 4050 is different from mid 70s?
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Jason McIntyre
Not really.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, 75 is the new 55. Is that what you're saying?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I think people, I mean I was talking to a friend the other day. You don't have to like Trump, but he plays much younger energy wise. He doesn't see sleep. He literally doesn't sleep. Biden was his age. Trump isn't. Pete Carroll and Nick Saban to me have the energy of a 54 year old. I mean there are people in our business that are 50 and feel like it and 60 and don't. So I don't buy. I mean all I know is this. When I would never in a million years have a 30 year old financial planner, I wouldn't even consider having a 30 year old attorney. Well, I know I have no interest in it. Give me older guy who's been around the block who's failed. Warren Buffett just retired at 94. I'm sorry that, I mean I. Until a couple years ago he was as sharp as anybody talking. He still is. Yeah, talking about the market. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news.
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Unknown Speaker
This is the third line news. All right, let's get started with the Kansas City Chiefs. Colin Rasheed Rice, remember he was lost last season with the knee injury back in week four. Pretty gruesome. I believe it was against the chargers here at SoFi. Well, the report just came out that Rice, due to some off field issues has been sentenced to five years probation. That's significant. And 30 days of jail time stemming from his role in the multi car crash last offseason. The report adds that with the sentencing the NFL can now expedite the disciplinary process and Rice is likely according to reports to receive a multiple game suspension this season. Obviously the Chiefs wide receiver group was was garbage last year. They need a healthy Hollywood Brown, they need a active Rasheed Rice and obviously Travis Kelsey to return to form. But Xavier Worthy can't carry them with Rice out. They really need this guy back on the field.
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Jason McIntyre
Colin? Yeah, he's more of a gadget guy. I mean it feels like a six game suspension to me. I, I mean I. You're running From a hit and run accident. That's nothing lower than that. I mean, there probably is something, but that's brutal. He really developed from his rookie year to a second year. You were like, wow, he's a volume receiver. He's really good. He's really, really talented. But you know what, man, there is. Kansas City's moved off a lot of receivers and they keep winning. They'll be fine. But that, that feels like a six game suspension, minimum okay to me.
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Unknown Speaker
All right, let's move on to Jamar Chase. Scotland. Oh, boy. He had the Bengals first ever season where they won the triple crown, leading the NFL in receptions, receiving yards and touchdowns. Now he's got his sight set on another record, 2,000 yards. Chase believes that we'll see one very soon, saying in the next three years, somebody has to do it. If not me, what do you think of 2,000 yards? Is that reasonable?
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Jason McIntyre
I don't think that's what you want. I don't want one receiver getting 2000 yards. First of all, if you get to 1800, you're going to be overcompensating as a team trying to get him the ball. But I mean, by the way, you look at a lot of these guys that did it, are there a lot of Super Bowls? I guess Cooper Cup 1 1.
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Unknown Speaker
Julio Jones went to 1. Let's take Jerry Rice out of the equation. Antonio Brown was a goofball. I, I guess the angle for 2,000 yards for chases, their defense is so bad they just hemorrhage points all game. So they're chasing and Burrow's got to be throwing. So Chase is going to be putting up massive numbers.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, I, that's a really good point. In today's football, if you have a receiver with 2,000 yards because so many teams place zones, so many teams don't allow you to throw stuff over the top. So to get 2000 yards you have to have 130 catches and they have T. Higgins. So what that tells you is they're trailing, they're in shootouts. I don't want, you know, If I have 2,000 yard receivers, I would take that every day over a 2,000 yard receiver. I want a balanced offense. I mean, again, 2,000 yards means you are getting into track meets. Those teams don't win Super Bowls.
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, the Bengals, I think scored like over 30 points like six times and lost a bunch of those g. Like the defense is just bad. By the way, we should find out what's up with Hendrickson and their first round pick. Cincinnati's just a mess. Let's go to the NBA. Colin, final story. The Lakers are in the news again, and it's not necessarily LeBron, but there are reports today that say the. One of the reasons the Lakers haven't really done much this offseason is they are saving their cap space to make a run at Nikola Jokic or Giannis in the next couple of seasons. Obviously, Jokic and Luka are very close friends and people seem to think, hey, well, wait a sec. Jokic did not sign the extension this summer. He said, let's see what is, wait till next summer. Now, obviously he can make more next summer, but it might be two things. It might be like, I can make more. Sure, but I want to see if we're good. Remember, they won the title and then lost in the second round. Back to back years.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, so I'm. This will be. I'm gonna push back. Luca fits better with Giannis because Giannis is a great rim defender. Jokic is a thunder. Jokic needs the ball, Giannis doesn't. So Jokic is going to take the ball out of Luka's hands and doesn't protect him on the back end as a defender. It sounds great. Giannis and Luka wins titles. They complement each other perfectly. One defends greatly, one doesn't. One needs the ball, one doesn't. Giannis doesn't have an outside game, so he's not going to, he's not going to take any shots. He's going to get alley. Oops, he's going to get shook. Stuff close to. He's going to get stuff close to the basket. Jokic and Lucas sounds better than it would be too. Now, I think Jokic, because of size, is a better defender than Luka. I don't think he's a terrible defender. Luka is, but I, I don't think, I think that's, I mean, again, they'd be good. But I, I think one of the reasons Jokic works with like Gordon. Gordon doesn't need the ball. Gordon's a great defender. Jokic sometimes has to be protected a little bit defensively. Luka has to be protected defensively. Giannis and Luka is perfect to me.
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Unknown Speaker
You know, listen, this is not a bad take by you. I. It's better than your old man football take from a few minutes ago. But I do think you're right. Giannis would be amazing. Like, listen, you want to try to cut off. Luka drives. He's just going to throw it up in the air. And Giannis Will catch and dunk everything. But I just also think Jokic and Luka, the passing on that team, that might be the highest IQ team in basketball history.
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Jason McIntyre
You don't. What in the world would you have to give me to get. This story feels like such nonsense. I would not give up Jokic. There is no package, none, that you could offer me in the NBA. You could give me Chet Holmgren and sga. Not interested. I'll take Jokic.
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Urban Meyer
It's different.
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Unknown Speaker
What if Jokic says, I'm not signing an extension?
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Jason McIntyre
Trade me.
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Unknown Speaker
Get me out of here. Denver would be handcuffed and say, well, fine, we could just play it out and then lose him for nothing. Or we could just trade him now and get whatever the hell we can.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, why would he do that? He's an international player. They don't demand trades.
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Unknown Speaker
They have not. They have not demanded trades. Who's to say that they're not going to start doing that? Giannis. Jokic. Let's.
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Jason McIntyre
That's not Jokic. Jokic wants to hide. You can hide in Denver if you're a basketball player.
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Unknown Speaker
Hide in la.
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Jason McIntyre
No, you can't. Not with the Lakers. No. Yeah. That story doesn't have any legs. He. I mean, these international guys. One of the reasons Giannis is loyal to Milwaukee, because the big cities south on the train down to Chicago, he can hide in Milwaukee. Jokic can hide in Denver. SGA can hide in Oklahoma City.
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Unknown Speaker
Hey, you know who's hiding in la? Shohei Ohtani. Haven't seen him around lately. He's hiding very well out here in Los Angeles. Don. So it can be done. Jokic is 7ft tall, so it might be difficult.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I. I don't. I. I actually ran into Jokic at a. At a restaurant in la. He's so. If he wasn't that big, you'd never know. He has no interest.
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Unknown Speaker
He mentioned me in the show earlier.
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Jason McIntyre
No, no, he didn't mention you. No, he didn't. I'm not sure he knew who I was, but somebody pushed me toward him. And his brothers knew. He didn't.
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Unknown Speaker
I've heard the brothers are not to be trifled with.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I just. I don't buy that. The idea that everybody wants to play for the Lakers. No, they don't. They. They don't. 13% taxes. LeBron's gonna run the ecosystem. There's a lot of politics for the Lakers. They do have new ownership, which is. Is. You know, here comes some real competency. But I don't thought the president was.
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Unknown Speaker
Helping all the rich guys. Jokic doesn't have to worry about the taxes. That's not an issue. And by the way, I mean the flight to from LA to Serbia in the off season, that's a, that's a. That's like a puddle jumper. That's no big deal. I think LA makes a ton of sense.
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Jason McIntyre
J Mac with the News well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd Line news. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio Apple American Public University is.
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Katie Couric
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Jason McIntyre
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Katie Couric
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Katie Couric
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Jason McIntyre
Actually want to do. No offense Jim. Get a new Dell AIPC Starting at 699.99@dell.com AIPC how those ahead? Stay ahead Sunday on Fox.
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Unknown Speaker
The Indy Car series hits the streets of Toronto, where the fastest man on earth, Alex Palo, looks to continue his season for the ages. Sunday noonies turn only on Fox.
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Jason McIntyre
So Caitlin Clark announced that she won't participate in the WNBA All Star festivities due to injury. And this is once again the WNBA not having everything lined up. So they put the All Star Game in Indiana because they got so heavily criticized for butchering her first year. And then they didn't have their official officiating right. And she's been getting, you know, pushed around and clobbered. It's very much Michael Jordan who got hurt in year two. Jordan breaks into the NBA and is a phenom, doesn't look like anybody else. And they they didn't figure out the officiating for years and years. You were tackling him so she re injures her groin. The officiating is the low spot of the league. It looks like they've got their travel and their marketing upgraded. The players recently voted her as the face of the league. So slowly they are kind of putting their arms around it, coming to terms with the fact that they're they're top salesman and their top face is Caitlin Clark. They didn't like it. They're acknowledging it, but they're not all lined up. The officiating remains suboptimal and she's making the right decision. And my take for her now, she's getting to a point where she should be play for the Fever, play in the Olympics. And you know, they've just, the WNBA has gone through several stages. They the league wasn't ready for should have been the Olympic movement with women's basketball was petty, tribal and clueless. The travel was second tier. The marketing was bad. The players were petty. But it's all kind of coming around. Everybody's kind of getting used to it. WNBA players now, I think a little more. They've gotten criticized so broadly and so punitively that I think they're coming to terms with girl can play, but the officiating is bad. It is bad. We talked about it yesterday. I don't know the specifics, but college officials make more than WNBA officials. That is indisputable. That can't be the case. So she's not going to participate. It's in Indiana. It would have been perfect, but they're just not quite lined up yet. The other thing, I think we made some news today. Urban Meyer, I believe Nick Saban, not that he's unhappy broadcasting, but every time I watch that show he's on, I want more of Nick Saban. And he's an expert. I mean, he just walked out as the greatest coach in college football history. I'd argue, I'd argue Urban Myers, too. And I think Saban has that Jim Harbaugh itch. And I, and I said the NIL Bama is not a top 10 NIL team. Their collective is not close to Oregon, Michigan, USC, Ohio State, Texas, Texas Tech. Michigan, it's not. Or Miami. So they're not going to buy out Kaylin DeBoer and pay 18 million a year to players and pay Nick 100 million for five years. They're not going to do it. They're not in the top 10 according to an On3 poll, which is a great, great company. They're not. Auburn's got more money than they do. Okay, so they're not going to do that. He's not going to Bama. I don't think he's going to college football. And Urban meyer discussed that 30 minutes ago.
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Rob Parker
I don't think he'd go back to college. I don't see that fit. I think you're, you know, the whole idea that. Where the heck is Alabama? Why are they not in the top 10 in spending? I don't understand that one. And Coach DeBoer, I'd be asking some hard questions, say what's the problem here? We can't compete, that we can't pay our players. So I agree with you. I would say very little to no chance he would get involved in college. But I think you would take phone calls from the NFL.
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Jason McIntyre
I absolutely believe that is true. And it comes down to basic math. I mean an urban knows him well, is that the nil now makes it almost impossible to roll fire a coach with four years left on his contract because these guys are all making 10 million now, 40 million and then you're gonna have to pay Nick 80 to 100 million. Nick's not coming back for a year. Even if he retires early, he wants a 5 year no cut deal at and I would argue probably at 18 to 15 million bucks a year. So you're paying 60, 70 for him or whatever, or 80. You're not going to pay off a guy 30, 40, 50 million, Caleb DeBoer to get him out of the room. It's not going to happen. Those days are over. So I mean there may be an exception, but I doubt it very seriously. NFL is totally different. He failed. Although he had it. There were a lot of signs that it was going to work if Drew Breesigned with the Dolphins, but the team doctor said no can do. So and, and the other thing that works in Saban's favorite is this coming draft. It would be a perfect time to leave. This would have been a bad year. He'll have another great year on television. So he's the best college coach ever. He's a superstar broadcaster and it's a great quarterback draft. And so he used to coach in Cleveland. Now I like Stefanski a lot, but if he could get Arch Manning and you bring in Nick Saban, I mean Jimmy Haslam likes star power. He wanted to draft Baker Mayfield and Johnny Manziel and he wanted Deshaun Watson. Jimmy Haslam, who by the way, I think he's a Tennessee booster or Tennessee Grant. He gets the power of Saban, Saban, Arch Manning in Cleveland, it'd be the most talked about team in the league. Wouldn't be the best. Maybe be the most talked about team in the league. Jimmy Haslam, SEC guy, big money guy. Tennessee, he knows the sec. Keep your eye on Cleveland with Nick Saban and I and I think, yeah, he's a huge donor to Tennessee. And I also think keep your eye on the Dallas Cowboys. I think the Brian Schottenheimer thing is going to be a mess. And, and by the way, in a right now they're saying there's minimum four, possibly six first round quarterbacks. So you don't have to be terrible to have a shot at a quarterback. If you, if you draft eighth, you could get the third best quarterback because remember two years ago the quarterback class, Cam Ward's going to work in Tennessee and if JJ McCarthy can play and Caleb Williams can play and Michael Penix I think can play, you just solve six teams quarterback dilemmas. You're getting to a saturation point. How many teams next year now the Rams to get Stafford a backup, I think would give up two ones to keep to move up to get a quarterback. Cleveland will, I mean there's obviously teams that would Indianapolis, the Colts would. But just keep your eye on it. It's. Urban Meyer did not push back on it. And when I intimated, when I said, do you think Nick has a little itch, just a little itch about the NFL? Urban said, it's more than a little itch. So there's a couple of people that know Nick Saban really well. Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick. I mean if Belichick goes to college, Saban wouldn't revisit the NFL. And again, like Pete Carroll, he may be old. He doesn't act old, he doesn't coach old. He doesn't think old. Belichick, Trump and Saban, successful, motivated. They're not going to sit back in retirement and go hang out on a lake. Some guys just need to work. They need to be challenged. And I don't think Saturdays on television challenges. Save it enough. I don't.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, let me hit you with one. Okay. All this hot take happy hour started early, folks. Okay. Mahomes and the Chiefs backslide just a little. Andy Reid says, you know, I'm late 60s, I'm walking away. I got enough winning done. That's a job Nick Saban has taken in a heartbeat. Now the Chiefs will have their pick of anybody. But if you could coach Patrick Mahomes or like I said earlier, Josh Allen, I think those are the jobs Saban would go for. Do you really think a 73 year old is going to want to take on a Cowboys situation with an older owner, no quarterback, or even the Browns with a young guy. I know you said there's six quarterbacks. He's not going back to the NFL to coach Drew Aller. I'm sorry, that's not happening. I think Saban would only take elite and the best of the best. Which is what he should do. He's got a lot of money.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me ask you. Zach Taylor doesn't make the playoffs again. Joe Burrow, Sean McDermott.
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Unknown Speaker
Now, Cincinnati's interesting because that ownership is so cheap.
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Jason McIntyre
Right. We.
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Unknown Speaker
We've articulated that. Uhush Binzada's been on here talking about it. I think you'd have to be careful going there, but. Right.
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Jason McIntyre
Sean McDermott gets bounced first round. Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Buffalo is. It would be the perfect spot. Kansas City. If Reed walks away. I don't think Shanahan's on the hot seat, but does he want to go back for Brock Purdy?
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Jason McIntyre
He wouldn't go west.
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Unknown Speaker
I had to get a Brock Purdy reference.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, yeah. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving Saturday. Sitting down, making 10 million for Brock Purdy. I can tell you that.
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Katie Couric
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. Have you heard about this?
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Katie Couric
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Urban Meyer
On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union.
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Colin Cowherd
I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back.
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Urban Meyer
Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your Podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
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