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Jay Mac
Yeah, I just did my write up for Fox Sports for the games. Penn State, Notre Dame under feels like probably the best bet of the two games.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jay Mac
First to 17 probably wins this. You know, two coaches who are going to be a little cautious. Really good defenses. And I know you like Riley Leonard, but he's limited as a quarterback throwing the football. Colin, come on.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Very negative. I will say the Chicago Bears are interesting. Three stories on the Bears today. The GM Ryan polls does not rule out trading for the Bears next head coach. Interesting. The Bears will interview Pete Carroll on Thursday. I like that. Interesting. And the Cowboys deny Bears permission to interview Mike McCarthy. Meaning Mike's going to get an extension probably in Dallas. I was thinking about this this morning, is that if I was Caleb Williams and I'm not going to get a big say in who the coach is and he probably shouldn't. Right. I'd like to hear his opinion but not make the decision. I'd give the Bears about one year with this new coach and if I don't feel good, I'd have no problem if he demands a trade. I mean if Jim Harbaugh can take the 32nd ranked defense with no added personnel of note outside of a couple corners in the draft in the fifth round and now they're the first ranked defense in a division with Reed and Mahomes. He made the playoffs one year, mostly the same personnel outside of Lad McConkey and Joe Alton, a couple of fifth round corners. If Sean Payton can have the most dead cat money in the NFL, rookie quarterback in a division with Herbert and Mahomes and make the playoffs. If Dan Quinn in a division with the Eagles can win 12 games with a rookie quarterback in year one and only one other, Pro Bowler, Terry McLaurin, then I think with Chicago's roster, which is pretty good, they have to be a viable playoff team next year. They have to be in the 9, 10, 11 win category. I think Caleb Williams has to be firm. I think he's been great at the podium. I think he's been very mature. There's a lot of stuff People said about him and the painting the fingernails and jumping into the stands to hug your mom and getting emotional. But I would be firm. I'm watching Harbaugh do what he did in a year. Dan Quinn first year with a rookie. Sean Payton with a rookie. D'Amico Ryan's and C.J. stroud got to the playoffs with a wonky ownership situation. I don't want to hear that. It takes time. No, it doesn't. It doesn't take that much time. You get the right coach, Kevin O'Connell, you can take a quarterback viewed as a bust, Sam Darnold and 13, 14 wins. So this idea that it's going to be this slow growth trajectory, no, no, no. Sean Payton, Dan Quinn, Harbaugh, they're showing you the way. I'm not going to be real patient if the first year comes in. And I mean look at this year clock. Management Hail Mary on his third coach. The organization has let him down from week 12 on. I think we said this a couple days ago, he had as many touchdown passes as Patrick Mahomes. I don't think it's on. Caleb wasn't perfect, but it's not on him. With that we bring in our trusted source. Peter Schrager is joining us live. Fox NFL Kickoff Sunday in the fall on Fox. So let's, let's start with the Bears. I said before, I do think this is a big lift. If you look at the executive suite, the history, the division, this is not just hey, I'm going to go get a clever coordinator. I kind of feel like I'd like a guy with some wear on the tires of Rabel of Pete Carroll trade for Mike Tomlin. Your thoughts on what you're hearing, Shregs?
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Peter Schrager
Well, there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. You've got Ryan Poles as the GM who's running the search with Kevin Warren, who's the president of the team, who previously was at the Vikings as the president was also the Big Ten commission. He has a big voice and you got the McCaskey family and George McCaskey and then you've got several lieutenants who are going to have a say in this. But you have that logo and you have that quarterback. They're going and they are lifting over every single stone to find a coach. We're talking about a team that's going to be interviewing Mike Kafka, who was a non play calling offensive coordinator for the New York Giants this year. They're interviewing him for the head coaching job. David Shaw, who's been out of the NFL and obviously has a career at Stanford, but has not been the active coach at Stanford. They're going to meet with everyone. I would think they missed the boat on the Jim Harbaugh the last couple of years. They missed the boat on the Sean Payton. They don't want to miss the boat on one of these candidates that they can come in there that's going to clean this up. Ben Johnson, from my sources, is interested in the job. That's all I would need to hear if I'm the Chicago Bears. Variables likely talk in New England. You're going to go down this road. You're going to meet with all these different coaches, put all your eggs in that basket. Go get Caleb Williams, the hottest offensive coordinator in football the last three years. And if he has a even faint interest in being the Chicago Bears head coach, considering the dysfunction that he has seen from across that sideline the last few seasons, you've got to entertain that and make it happen. I know they're going to meet with Pete Carroll. I think that's good. Bring in Pete Carroll.
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Jay Mac
Bring in.
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Peter Schrager
Let's hear what Pete Carroll's got to say. Pete Carroll's got a Super bowl ring and several other things going for him. Let's hear. But I would think Ben Johnson with Caleb Williams is the number one goal and if Ben Johnson's interesting, because I'll tell you, Ben Johnson is not interested in every job. Ben Johnson's not taking an interview with the Jets. Caleb Williams is very attractive to Ben Johnson. Go get that interview and don't have you interview him. This is the rare guy where you go in there and you say, Ben Johnson, let us interview you, but let us pitch ourselves to you. And why, after you didn't entertain Carolina two years ago when that job most likely was his, you didn't entertain Washington last year. And to great upset and frustration from the Washington Commanders, you walked away from that job. Let us tell you why you should take this job. Because I think there's an arrogance with some of these franchises. I'm not saying the Bears are one of them, where they think that these coaches need to spill over and tell them why they need to be the next head coach. This is a rare instance. Ben Johnson's that dude. Go and tell him that you are going to be that guy, you're going to be that team and you're going to support him and he's willing to come in and re establish the Bears. It's not a joke of a franchise.
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Colin Cowherd
I made the argument yesterday I didn't think it was a great year to be a head coach looking for work. I think the Bears and the jets are impulsive and historically a bit dysfunctional. And then Gerard Mayo got fired. And I said yesterday, shrags. There's a difference between dysfunctional and. And just needing a new coach. For instance, the Chargers, they had a left tackle, they had Herbert. The Spanos are not big meddlers. It's a good revenue. They're in a big market. They had Derwin James, they had a Bosa, Khalil, Mack. They had a lot of good players. They needed, they needed shore up the offensive line. They needed leadership that wasn't a broken franchise. They'd been good for a long time with a lot of players. I'm going to argue that with Kraft, Drake, May and, you know, an elite corner. I don't think they're. I think they've got a couple of pieces on offense. I think if I'm Mike Rabel, this feels like the best job to me because I know the jets and the Bears are interested in Brable. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't think New England's a bad job.
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Peter Schrager
Mike Frable is going to meet with the Patriots tomorrow. They've already fulfilled their Rooney rule requirements, having met with Byron Leftwich and Pep Hamilton. If I am the New England Patriots and I am Mike Vrabel, I'm getting that thing done as soon as possible. It makes so much sense, Colin. And they not only have Drake May, who without standing this season despite a porous offensive line and no skill position players, they have $130 million in cap space. There is a lot to like there. And for as many people who have burned bridges with the Patriots organization and go out kicking and screaming, Mike Vrabel was traded by the Patriots, was traded by the Bill Belichick regime, and yet has come full circle. He came back to Foxborough, he had his ring of honor ceremony. He's in the Patriots hall of Fame. And if you look at his X profile and if you care anything about it, the picture is of him and Teddy Brusky linking arms like this. He was really savvy in how he built his contract with the Browns. He didn't want to get out of football. He didn't want to spend this year doing TV like Belichick or like Sean Payton did with us. He wrote this contract up with his agents where he would be free of his contract with Cleveland in week 17, not week 18, which meant based on the rules for hiring, he was not under contract with any team in that first week of coaching, hiring and interviews, which means Mike Vrabel could meet in person with these teams this week. Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, Matt Nagy and Steve Spagnolo, the coordinators for the number one seeds. They're the only other people who are currently still in the playoffs who are allowed to meet with teams, and they've got to do it over. Zoom. So by Vrabel getting out of this contract one week early with the Cleveland Browns, where he served as a consultant and tight ends, he's able to go and do the pitch in person. And I will tell you, he blew the jets away last Friday. Blew him away. And that might have rattled the cage a bit in New England. They make their move. They're out with Mayo. They can meet with Mike Vrabel in person, where I assure you there will be warm feelings. And they have done everything they had to do from a league perspective. All they've got to do is say, hey, here's the amount of money, if it's going to make sense. Here's who you can bring in as your assistant coaches. Here's your budget for that. And this thing could be done by Thursday if they want it to be.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow, Good stuff. Okay. Raiders are fascinating. So I wouldn't have fired Antonio Pierce. I mean, God, they beat Mahomes last year in Arrowhead and they should have beat him this year in Arrowhead with Aiden oconnell and. And by the way, in a division with Sean Payton and Harbaugh and Herbert and Mahomes and Reed. They were very competitive. In fact, they were 3 and 1 in division last year. I would have let him go for another year. I don't think he was the issue. It's more of an ownership situation. But their job is fascinating because they've got your Brock Bowers. They've got a left tackle. They've got some. There's some Pete. They got Max Crosby. There are some boxes. They, they. They got some boxes that are important. They need a quarterback. I know Tom Tesco. There's three guys that are draftable early. There's also a couple of guys, you know, couple quarterbacks. Second, third round. Give me an idea just what Raider Nation, who will be paying four coaches now when they hire him? Four. Give me an idea where they're at.
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Peter Schrager
They had Antonio Pierce do a press conference yesterday at 10:00am local, and they fired him two hours later. Like, there's 31 teams and there's a Las Vegas Raiders and there's one man in charge and he acts how he wants to act and he pays out who he wants to pay out. And Mark Davis is that guy. And now you bring in Tom Brady as a minority owner. And I cannot speak on whether his involvement has been one of great exaggeration on hyperbole. But everyone that I talk to is like, well, now Brady's going to be running the search. The last I heard, Brady works for us at Fox and is preparing for his first playoff game as a broadcaster and is going to be going on doing Eagles, Packers. Is he looking at Liam Cohen footage right now? Is he looking at what Anthony Weaver's defense did for the Miami Dolphins this season? Is he on the phone with Belichick and Pete Carroll and Rex Ryan and whoever else? No, I'm pretty sure Tom Brady's preparing for a wild card round game, a divisional round game, an NFC Championship game, and then a Super Bowl. Well, if you take it all the way through that, that's a heck of a lot of multitasking to just assume Tom Brady's running the search. I don't think he is going to be necessarily the one lining up interviews. There's going to be a group effort here and Mark Davis is obviously going to meet with them. But Tom Telesco's the gm. He's got his thoughts. He's got a great record in the first round with the LA Chargers and the San Diego Chargers before that. But I will tell you, there are a lot of people who are in that building who did not know that Antonio Pierce was getting fired early in the morning yesterday. W that tells me that Mark Davis holds a lot of cards here and anything could happen. As far as the Raiders go, I mean, anything. And anyone who tells you otherwise is either a very close friend of Mark Davis or is talking out of there. You know what?
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Colin Cowherd
That's crazy. Hey, I made the argument. I watched the whole documentary on Aaron Rodgers. I made the argument that if we're being honest and fair and you know, their thing about Aaron that, you know, he's complex. And I, and I think about this all the time. I mean, Jay Cutler was difficult. Kylie Murray's quiet. Aaron can be a little prickly, whatever. Not every quarterback is, you know, Manning, Brady, Mahomes, it's all about winning. They're all different people. I think Aaron has a market. I. If I was the Jets, I'd keep him. If I was the Steelers, I'd be interested. If I was Vegas, I would have no problem with Aaron Rodgers. A two year deal. I know it's crazy. But I think I watched in the last eight weeks and let's be fair, he was pretty good. He wasn't their issue. I thought he was their issue. Coming off the injury in the. Up until Thanksgiving, I thought he was a problem and then he wasn't. Does he have a market?
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Peter Schrager
It's a great question. And the jets are. We have to start off because those players love playing with them. And today Jermaine Johnson, who was lost for a season ending injury, said a story on a podcast that I was sent that, you know, without any fanfare, Rodgers gave him his private jet to go get surgery done on the west coast as opposed to having to go to the airport and doing it. And like, that doesn't get advertised. Those players love him. You talk to Sauce, you talk to a lot of those guys. Rodgers was the leader and he was the dude. If you're the jets, though, you just want to wipe the slate completely clean. The owners, I can tell you, and the president who are now doing this search, and Tannen, Bauman, Spielman are involved. They're not coming in and saying, well, first and foremost we're keeping Rodgers, or first and foremost we're going to try to figure a way to get rid of Rodgers. They're going in there with an open book, asking candidates to tell them what they think they should do. That's the GM position and the head coach position. It's a Rodgers conversation that's bigger because it's, does he want to keep playing after 20 years? He saw the awesome farewell he had with Pam Oliver at the end of that game that we had on Fox. That's a different topic for the jets. It's do we come back to Rodgers and say, hey, for a discounted price, are you willing to be a bridge quarterback and run this back one more time with a new head coach, a new general manager? Or do you talk to the general manager and head coach candidates and say, we want your thoughts? Because I'll tell you, I've spoken to a lot of the candidates who are going to be interviewing for a lot of these jobs. They're split. A lot of them look at the film and say what you just said. Like, Rogers is better than, you know, 10 quarterbacks in this league and if he could still sling it, I'd rather have him than go on the, you know, the scrap heap and get somebody else and go with a third string quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Peter Schrager
The guys interviewing today for the Jets, Matt Nagy's interviewing for the head coaching position via Zoom, but they've got Mike Borgonzi in person. Who's the Chiefs number two in their front office? Interviewing in person in West Palm. And then they've got Alec Halabi, who's Howie Roseman's top lieutenant. He's our number two. He's also interviewing for the Jets GM job. So they're doing two simultaneous paths here. They're interviewing coaches and GMs at the same time. Aaron Glenn's going to get an interview. I told you, Ben Johnson's not going to interview there. Cliff Kingsbury, from what I'm told, was not requested for an interview. So they're doing two simultaneous paths. And the first question is, what would you do with our quarterback position? Now, Rodgers, could he be in Vegas, could it be in Cleveland? Could he be somewhere else? Maybe. But I think the jets are the first ones to have to make that decision. And that domino hasn't fallen yet.
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Colin Cowherd
Schrager, you've already done a show today and you brought such great information and energy. Look at this guy. This is his second show today. He's probably doing Copacabana. He's probably doing a late night shift tonight somewhere else. Probably be joining, you know, some anchor guy in another network later today. Whatever. You're just never stopping. You're writing books, you're doing a podcast. You're crushing. We love having you on, buddy.
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Peter Schrager
Hey, Colin, thank you. You're so great. And to all my, all the guys out in la, guys and gals, obviously the Fox family and any listeners, we've been through weather stuff here on the east coast and my heart is just with everybody and hope everyone could be safe. It's terrible images here.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's brutal out here. Peter Schrager, terrific job. Fox Sports NFL reporter. And he's of course referencing the fires in Malibu and the Palisades. It's called Pacific Palisades. Beautiful coastal town and you know, surrounded by, you know, it's, it's trees and forest and stunning and it is all burning down. And so heavy hearts today on our show so far, the reports of casualties, that hasn't been the issue as much as just property, which of course is daunting in itself. But we're thinking of you. If you've ever been thinking about a home security, now is the time to consider a simply safe right now. Visit simplisafecollen.com It's 50% off new systems with professional monitoring plans. There is no safe like Simplisafe. Want more heard? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the Iheartradio app Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Whether you're ordering wings for the game, whipping up a seven layer dip, or ordering pizza, there's something about football that makes me want to eat. And this football season, Uber Eats has the best deals for me on game day. Food, no matter what I'm craving. From two for one Pizza to buy one, get one Wings Uber Eats. We'll be dropping new deals each week all season long. I'm in Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order now for game day. Terms and conditions apply. See app for details.
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Katie Couric
Hey everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch and I'm exhausted, but turns out the end is near. Right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next Question. This podcast is for people like me who need a little perspective and insight. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Van Jones, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also gonna have some fun, even though these days fun and politics seems like an oxymoron. But we'll do that thanks to some of my friends like Samantha bee, Roy Wood Jr. And Charlemagne the God. We're gonna take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Power to the podcast for the people. So whether you're obsessed with the news or just trying to figure out what's going on, this season of Next Question is. Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
So tomorrow, the 12 team College Football Playoff and its inaugural season continues. So far, favorites are 8 and oh, we have a playoff because the networks, including this one, wanted them. They wanted to monetize college football and organize college football at the end of the season to a higher level. And they've done that. I do think it's interesting, the idea the the idealists always look silly, don't they? The idealists that college football now will give the little guy a chance. The little guy is owing for Boise State, SMU ASU and Indiana and has kind of been rolled in three of the four rolled. The little guy does not have a better chance. In fact, I'd argue he has less of a chance because whereas the little guy TCU could knock off Michigan a couple years ago and get to the natty, albeit destroyed, they would now have to face two, three more Blue bloods and football has always been adept and attrition sport. We've just seen that in the NFL and in college football. If you were Boise State in 2000, what, seven. And you beat Oklahoma, it was a great feel good off season story. But that's over. Cause if Boise State beat an Oklahoma or an Oklahoma like team, you'd have to play seven days later. You wouldn't get this six months to recruit off it, to talk about it, to make your boosters feel good. The College Football Playoff, it's like adding two or three states to the Powerball. And you think your odds increase in winning? Nope, they don't. So it's what it's really done. It's compressed the feel good stories to about 48 hours, not six months. If a little guy does win and the favorites are eight. No. And the little guys are 04. Your SMU's in your Boise states and your Indiana's and Arizona State's. The little guys, they're on for. Arizona State had a great outing and a great effort, but they lost. So if they would have beaten Texas, you'd have gotten like 36 to 48 hours to pump your fist. And then you got to get back to work. And here comes another blue blood around the corner. So the Cinderella college upset, which you know, made everybody feel good about college football and the sport that you get two days now to feel good about that, then you got to get back to work so that the idealists of college football, it's the same with March Madness. You can, you can bring in all these teams, you know who's going to win the Natty, it's going to be Kansas or it's going to be, you know, you're going to have a Villanova, a Kansas, a top program. It feels good to include George Mason. It feels, it feels good to include SMU and Boise State and Arizona State. It doesn't change the outcomes, it just changes the way you feel. But this is a, this is the first time college football has an NFL playoffs system, which means no time to celebrate. A great team's around the corner and whoever's healthier wins. And I think that is why I like Ohio State, because I think they have the greatest depth of four and five star talent. They have the most NFL bodies and they may not have been the best team at Austin this year against Michigan, but, but I think their depth and having an NFL coach, Chip Kelly on the staff in the first year, college football is sort of now NFL style in their playoffs. I think Chip Kelly's a big advantage. And I think it's not just Ohio State's frontline guys. It's their number three receiver in their number three and four corner. That will elevate them to the Natty J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news. Wow.
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Jay Mac
This is kind of surprising news out of Detroit. We know that the injuries are brutal for the Lions, but David Montgomery, remember the running back who was injured?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jay Mac
He's expected to be able to play maybe in the Lions first playoff game next, next weekend. They announced that, hey, he's recovering from his sprained mcl.
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Colin Cowherd
These young athletes, they get healthier faster than that's what people thought. And that injury, by the way, wasn't that long ago.
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Jay Mac
Yeah. And then they're like, oh, well, maybe you won't have the surgery. So they got Alex Anzalone back last week. The linebacker. He was very good.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jay Mac
And now adding Montgomery. Listen, this is, this is promising for Detroit. Is super bowl afoot for the Lions?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think, I don't think there's any question that of all the injuries they had, the two that you and I went, oh, was Aiden Hutchison. That felt like, oh, that's, that's a bad one. And Montgomery, and we were like, I get lightning and thunder. Lightning's not the same without the thunder. It's not as, it's not quite as big.
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Jay Mac
Has been outstanding.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, he is, he is a home run hitter.
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Jay Mac
It looks like he's a top five back in the league, maybe top three.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, yeah. But I also think Montgomery's an off speed pitch.
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Peter Schrager
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think the combination of the two allows for more of an element of surprise with Gibbs. So you can use him. You know, they're different style backs. For the record, when they drafted Gibbs, they got a lot of heat, understandably.
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Jay Mac
Running back to the first round.
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Colin Cowherd
But he has been, he has been electric.
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Jay Mac
If you're looking ahead, Lions fans, they will face the lowest seeded team left. So the three non division winners are Tampa, who already beat him in Detroit. Green Bay, we saw that last game in Detroit. That was nip and tuck the entire way. And then the other one is Washington with an electric quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I think Detroit is the last team I'd want to face in a couple weeks. I mean, if Washington beats Tampa with that young team, they could have a little hangover. You know, they, if they go on the road and beat Baker and be celebrated, you really think Washington feels like a two win road playoff team?
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Jay Mac
Yeah, he could probably fade. Washington.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jay Mac
So are you going to do super bowl picks this week? Like break it down and.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, maybe we'll have. That's not a bad idea for tomorrow. I like that idea.
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Jay Mac
I mean, we need to hear it. You know, I asked you yesterday and.
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Colin Cowherd
You'Re, I don't know, hemmed and hard and.
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Jay Mac
Yeah, it's unacceptable, man. The people want answers. Next up, Colin. This is breaking here in the last hour. So Tom Pelissaro of NFL Network says multiple teams have reached out to. Wait for it. North Carolina coach Bill Belichick gauging his interest to return. It's funny. Nobody wanted him. Remember, he gauged their interest and said, I'm going to college. Now they're starting to call him. One of the calls he got was from Tom Brady Rainer, Raiders owner and of course, our co worker here at Fox. I'll let you speculate, but you already noted they're paying Gruden, McDaniels and now Pierce. Then they would have to buy out Belichick for 10 mil and pay him. I don't mean the most money sunk.
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Colin Cowherd
Into a coach for ever so he can get out of his deal with North Carolina. I think it's like June or July 1st.
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Jay Mac
Well, no. 10 million. $10 million buyout prior to June 1st. After that it's only 1 million.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Jay Mac
But they're not waiting that long.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Jay Mac
No, that's right.
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Colin Cowherd
So. So the, the, you know, I don't want. I know I don't like talking about people that have jobs. I do think if Philadelphia fell flat this weekend, that organization moves off winning coaches quickly. I don't think Belichick is going back to the NFL for any job. Listen, he had Brady and they were great, but he had Cam and Mack and they weren't. And I think Belichick's smart enough to realize this league now, 8 for 8, best quarterback won every division. That's why Harbaugh took the Chargers. So I don't think Belichick is going to leave college. He's not going to go to Carolina for just a job. The two things that are interesting, the two jobs that could be. And again, these are good coaches. Clearly. Buffalo loses to Denver, opening playoff game to a rookie quarterback. I don't think it's going to happen.
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Jay Mac
Would they fire McDermott?
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Colin Cowherd
I think McDermott would be in the. I think you'd have to have.
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Jay Mac
Belichick returns to the.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Belichick and beats the Patriots for eight straight years and I think if Sirianni fell flat against beat up Green Bay.
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Jay Mac
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And again, I think McDermott's a good coach and Sirianni clearly is a winning coach. But I'm saying is that's the kind of thing Bill would come back for. To me, I just don't now like if John Hart Harbaugh lost in Baltimore, Lamar's gonna get the heat, not John Harbaugh.
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Peter Schrager
Yeah.
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Jay Mac
They're not gonna move on Harbaugh.
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Colin Cowherd
But I. But I do think this league is weird and it changes dramatically based on singular games. Just on one game.
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Jay Mac
Yeah. How's this?
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Colin Cowherd
It's a very dramatic, very punitive, very urgent league.
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Jay Mac
So let's say you invested in the Raiders, right?
- [30:32]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jay Mac
You would want to help your investment and two ways to help your investment are going after Bill Belichick. That is a. That's going to put butts in the seats and then they're not going to be able to draft a quarterback. So I don't know. Do you kick the tire on Aaron Rodgers and you say we got Rogers, we got Belichick?
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Colin Cowherd
If I was.
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Jay Mac
That is a massive draw.
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Colin Cowherd
If I'm Tom Brady and we all know he works at Fox, we know he's a legend and he know he's part of the Raiders ownership group. What I do is take Mike Vrabel to dinner and try to get him hired with the Raiders. Vrabel's the best candidate. Yeah. If I'm Tom and Tom and Vrabel, that's what I would do. I would say let's go hit some golf balls or let's go to dinner. I'd sit him down and lay out the plan. I try to get Vable. Drabel's the best candidate in the market. So why if I'm Brady, why would I want to settle for the third or fourth best?
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Jay Mac
Coach Rabel's better than Ben Johnson for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. He's a proven got a team to an AFC champion. We don't know if Ben.
- [31:26]
Jay Mac
Ben Johnson was in the AFC championship, NFC championship last year.
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Colin Cowherd
I'd argue he's not the best coordinator on Detroit. Oh, Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn with massive.
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Jay Mac
What amazing game against the vikings in week 18.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you know the Detroit Lions led the NFL this year? Think about this. Because we know their injuries led the NFL in a division which got all sorts of talent at quarterback. Led the NFL in the opponent's passer rating. Pete, no team held quarterbacks to lower passer ranks than the Lions.
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Jay Mac
I need to go look at who they played. I Know, there's a really.
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Colin Cowherd
How about this? NFL teams, bad ones. This is not the Mountain West.
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Jay Mac
You. You love Aaron Glenn. That's clear.
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Colin Cowherd
You want it?
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Jay Mac
Is he or not?
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Colin Cowherd
I love. I love his resume. Aiden Hutchinson out. Corners out. The whole team was depleted. Ben Johnson's good. What Aaron did, though, how. How it was. It was band aids and Bondo and Super Glue all year on defense.
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Jay Mac
Better, Better job. Bears right now or Raiders?
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Colin Cowherd
Bears, because I have Caleb.
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Jay Mac
Why wouldn't Belichick be interested? Or maybe they weren't interested in him.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, nobody's. Who said. Who says he's interested?
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Jay Mac
Tom Pelissaro, NFL Network. Multiple teams have called Belichick to gauges.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but we don't know if Belichick's interest. I don't think Belichick is interested in the Raiders. I don't know if Rabel's interested in the Raiders. But you asked me if you were Tom Brady, what would I do? I would take Rabel to dinner, hit some golf balls, and I'd talk him into it.
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Jay Mac
Huh?
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Colin Cowherd
If I'm a team that wants a coach, I want the best coach. I'd rather not settle in life for the third best coach. Vrabel's the only proven winner on the market, so I'd go after him. Just like Harbaugh was the best candidate last year and the Chargers aggressively pursued, by the way. The Chargers last year went after two guys, Harbaugh and Grable. One was the best candidate last year, one's the best candidate this year.
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Jay Mac
Final story. Oh, it's your guy, sir. Charles, the ringless wonder. Charles Barkley said he would not hold back next time he talked about the Lakers after he and Reddick had a little bit of back and forth through the media. Well, the Lakers lost last night to the Mavs. Listen, this was. It was not a great performance. They lost. No Luca, no Kyrie. And the Lakers lost. They got smashed. Charles Barkley let it fly. Take a listen.
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Colin Cowherd
I want to hear this.
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Jay Mac
Why I hate the Lakers. It's always somebody else's fault. Remember three years ago, it was Russell Westbrook's fault. Then it was Freak Bogle's fault. Then it was Diana Low Russell's fault.
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Colin Cowherd
Then it was Darvin Hound's fault.
- [33:50]
Jay Mac
It's always somebody else's fault.
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Colin Cowherd
The Lakers have. They don't have.
- [33:54]
Jay Mac
Listen, LeBron is one of the all time greats. AD is a hell of a player.
- [33:59]
Colin Cowherd
That's it. The rest of the guys are just guys. Every team got those guys.
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Jay Mac
And it bothers me Listen, you don't always blame other people for your shortcoming. The Lakers prove to what I keep saying.
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Colin Cowherd
The Lakers stink, plain and simple. What was inaccurate there?
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Jay Mac
The Lakers stink, plain and simple. They're 20 and 16, sixth in the west, that if that stinks.
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Colin Cowherd
So you feel good about six, that's a different discussion.
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Jay Mac
You. Barkley said they stink. Well, the middle sixth in the west, you stink.
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Colin Cowherd
If you're six in the west, you're not close to an NBA championship team. And they're not. And by the way, his criticism is one that I said three weeks ago. Go watch a Laker game. They're not athletic enough. They're just not athletic enough.
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Jay Mac
I sell you on my guy, Austin Reese.
- [34:46]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, Jesus.
- [34:48]
Jay Mac
The game winner on Christmas Day.
- [34:50]
Colin Cowherd
Hammond Egger boy. So.
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Jay Mac
So it's a Lakers stink, Barkley boy. Everybody in the west is garbage. Warriors are trash.
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Colin Cowherd
Sons are off. There are a handful of teams. When you watch them, you can see the athletic ability. Houston, another team. Boston, Oklahoma City. There are teams. I think the Knicks have some. There are teams that you see athletic ability on the wing. I mean, Boston, okc, Houston. It jumps off the TV screen. You can see the athletic ability. Denver side jumps off the television. Milwaukee size. When you watch the Lakers, I don't get the size. I don't get the athletic ability. I get one great player and another legend and a bunch of guys.
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Jay Mac
I do like. In our NFL discussions, Colin, you usually provide context for why a team is good. When the Pittsburgh Steelers were running hot, beating up on, you know, cupcakes, we were not like, hey, this is a Super bowl team. I don't think they ever made your super bowl bubble or top five.
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Colin Cowherd
Right, right.
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Jay Mac
And now they're being exposed with frauds as they crater down the street. So, you know, Lakers have played the second most road games in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, okay.
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Jay Mac
So like, schedule matters. Let's ease up with the they stink context matters. And that's what I. I don't think. Barkley provides context.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Of the top eight teams in the west, only one has a negative point differential. Yes.
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Jay Mac
And that is the Lakers minus 2.2. Yes. It's a good nugget. I have that right here in my notes.
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Colin Cowherd
In the NBA, you can't. This now is a three and D league. You got to shoot threes and you got to defend them. They went and got Dorian, Finney, Smith because Dalton connect. Can't defend.
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Jay Mac
Can't defend.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, so like, they went and got their top draft pick. He's a shooter, but he can't defend, so he's a limited player.
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Jay Mac
And I watched last night. I don't know if you saw.
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Colin Cowherd
They didn't even have Luca or Kyrie last night.
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Jay Mac
That's the worst part.
- [36:33]
Colin Cowherd
Dallas didn't have their two most electric offensive players.
- [36:36]
Jay Mac
They have guys coming off the bench banging open threes like it was a bad defensive performance. Redick owned it. And you know, Barkley, do your victory lap. We'll see you Lakers, by the way, seven of their next eight at home.
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Colin Cowherd
I didn't say they stink.
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Jay Mac
I Barkley said that.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. What I'm saying is his criticism is they got a lot of guys. They have a legend and a great player and a bunch of guys. And my take is that's what I see when I watch them play. I now are the last five days I've moved into NBA viewing. I do this every year. We get into January, I celebrate my birthday with, you know, my friends and then I start cooking on NBA video for about 45 minutes a night. And the Lakers have got a bunch of guys.
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Jay Mac
So it's, it's funny. I did this on, on social. But the Austin Reeves, I like him. I believe he's very, very good. And I said, look, Mark Price, you.
- [37:22]
Colin Cowherd
Remember Mark Price, small guard, probably the most underrated player with Bernard King in league history.
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Jay Mac
He was an all star. He was all NBA great. And you, you do his per 48 stats against Austin Reaves and Austin Reaves blows him out of the water. He's more athletic. And all these people don't they get so angry when you compare 90s players.
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Colin Cowherd
To now, I always tell you, I like Austin Reeves. If you are a championship team, he should be your fifth best starter. I don't think that's a critic. I'm saying, by the way, Derrick White is the Celtics fourth best starter. Derrick White's better than Austin Reaves and we're not even going to argue that.
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Jay Mac
Yeah, if you put Derrick White in the Austin Reaves role and Austin Reaves.
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Colin Cowherd
On the Celtics, Derek, Derrick White, if LeBron goes to the bench, Derrick White is the second best Laker player. And I don't think it. Derrick White is an elite defender. He's an elite three ball shooter. He's a veteran.
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Jay Mac
He's tough, he's good, he's good. I like him.
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Colin Cowherd
And he is, he is the fourth best Celtic.
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Jay Mac
He's just not going to sniff an all star game. He just won't. The league is too stacked right now. But he's awesome. I know you think fifth.
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Colin Cowherd
I You tend to like the overlooked guy. You love Brock.
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Jay Mac
Underdogs, baby.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I'm very busy. I don't have time for underdogs.
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Jay Mac
Coastal elite.
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Colin Cowherd
There he is, superstar. Doesn't matter where I live. I like stars. I'm not going to try to say, you know, like I said, in this league, it's a, it's a quarterback league. There's like seven great ones. They're all in the playoffs except Burrow. You tend to take the angle of the overlooked little guy undrafted and I'm like, well, you know, it rains and Brock Purdy can't hang on to the ball. I'm sorry. Rain is part of our country's weather system. Yes. By the way, for the record, the Lions opponents this year. So you say, who did the Lions play to have that great defense? Matt Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, the 14 win Vikings twice. And Kyler Uri early in the year when he was pretty good. Kyler Murray.
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Jay Mac
Was he good earlier?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, pretty good.
- [39:20]
Jay Mac
Early Jay Mc he doesn't say Sam Darnold's name.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd LIE news. Drew Brees is going to be joining us in the last hour live in la, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, to take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Whether you're ordering wings for the game, whipping up a seven layer dip, or ordering pizza, there's something about football that makes me want to eat. And this football season, Uber Eats has the best deals for me on game day food, no matter what I'm craving. From two for one Pizza. To buy one, get one Wings. Uber Eats will be dropping new deals each week all season long. I'm in Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order now for game day. Terms and conditions apply. See app for details.
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Colin Cowherd
So Lamar Jackson is not pointing fingers at anybody when he loses. I've said this for years. One of the reasons I love Lamar Jackson, a he cares so deeply about winning, he gets really mad at himself. Secondly, he wins 75% of his games in a tougher AFC. He has, however, struggled. He's got a couple of playoff Wins. He's like 2 and 4. But he has struggled in the playoffs and he admitted this week, and this is part of the appeal to me of Lamar Jackson and why I love him. He admitted. Yeah, it's kind of me. I get frenetic. Yeah, I just be too excited, that's all.
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Peter Schrager
You know, too essy.
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Colin Cowherd
Like I'm seeing things Before I happen like, oh, I gotta calm myself down. But just been more experienced, I've. I found a way to balance it out. So I, I said this earlier. When LeBron James was in Miami and the first finals against Dallas and he struggled to post up JJ Berea. It wasn't a ceiling thing. It was, the game was in his head. When Aaron Judge in the World series in Game 5, dropped a routine fly ball, that was anxiety, that was nerves. Aaron Judge hasn't done that in his entire career. So you get these players, Peyton Manning, a rod early in New York, Aaron Judge, LeBron James. It's not like a ceiling thing. It's a, it's in your head thing. I think we saw a little bit of that a Sam Darnold Sunday, Lions and the Vikings. I thought he goes so amped up and so juiced up, the ball was sailing and he missed on some open looks. So I think Lamar is an absolutely one, once in a generation player. I love watching him play. He's one of my favorite guy. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, maybe my two favorite players. Even more than Mahomes that I want to watch play. I think he's an all time guy. But I asked Greg Olson earlier, when you are struggling in the postseason, how do you get through it? Understand who he is, understand what he does well, understand the emotion, the character again, the relationship between coach, play, caller, and in this case the quarterback. Get him off to a really fast start, call the plays that he loves, get him tackled, run all the things that are the magic and the beauty of Lamar Jackson. You know who he is as a person, you know the caliber he wants to play at and you know how much pressure he's putting on himself. You've got to coach around it, you've got to help him through that early in games, early in series, and let him settle into the first playoff game this weekend. And then you know what? One win turns into two. All of a sudden he gets that off of his back and he's the Lamar Jackson that we've seen now for years and you know, potentially could win another mvp. You know, you've heard that people talk about the states of grief. It's, it's anger, it's depression, it's denial, it's bargaining. And the last one is, you know, sometimes accountability. And I think, I think you're seeing that acceptance, not accountability. I think the last one is acceptance. And I think with Lamar you're seeing some acceptance. It's like, yeah, this is me. I get, I get to. It's very easy for me to defend an athlete like Aaron Judge or LeBron James or Lamar Jackson that cares so deeply that they get emotionally a little over their skis or a mo. Peyton Manning was known as a teeth clencher. Like he was so uptight. Like that's an easy guy for me to defend. That you care so deeply and that you put so much pressure on yourself that you miss a putt. And we've seen this with Rory McElroy. It's not that Rory doesn't care. He cares so much that it gets into his headspace. And so Lamar, to me, the growth and maturity is the acceptance of it. I just get amped up. I'm not the same quarterback. And I do think this is just the way it is. If Buffalo loses In the playoffs first round, Sean McDermott's getting the heat because Josh Allen's been pretty good in the playoffs. He's just lost. If, if the Baltimore Ravens lose, John Harbaugh's got a ring. The reality is Lamar Jackson will take the heat. So sometimes it's the coach, sometimes it's the quarterback. Mike McCarthy was the one that got criticized when the Cowboys at home got rolled over by Green Bay, but Dak didn't play well. I mean, Jordan Love looked like a significantly better player in Dallas than Dak Prescott did, but it was Mike McCarthy who took the heat. So it is interesting about this. Kyle Shanahan has taken a lot of heat for losses, but the truth is he's never had a great quarterback. So that's why I think a lot of us defend Kyle Shanahan. So that's where we are today. J. Mac, we got Drew Brees stopping by in the last hour. We are still, you and I are going to connect tomorrow and watch Notre Dame, Penn State together. I think think to your point the under on Notre Dame. Penn State is in play. I think these are both excellent defensive leaning coaches. I think Penn State is funny. It's strangely for a great program, Penn State's being overlooked because Ohio State and Texas and Notre Dame get so much glare that nobody's paying attention. It's a weird spot to be when you may be as good as anybody and nobody's talking about you. There's no pressure on Penn State at all.
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Jay Mac
Played SMU and boys, I know but they season like anytime they played a good team, which they didn't play many Ohio State, they got smashed, could barely score. I don't know how they score on Notre Dame. We'll see. Tyler Warren, I like him a lot. I It's gonna be a good game. Very excited.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm gonna go read your fox.com send you the link. Send me the link. Why don't you do that?
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Jay Mac
Do I have your number?
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Colin Cowherd
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