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Colin Cowherd
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country, and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Narrator
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in in Bone Valley Season one.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad, it's oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Narrator
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Narrator
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast, be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to no Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Producer
Now, let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. All right, here we go. It's hour two and a Thursday. J. Mac and I are off tomorrow. It's the best of the Herd taking some Fridays off here in the late spring or early spring. So it was interesting last night. So the Dodgers are undefeated right now. Padres also off to a torrid start. Braves are really struggling. And the big talk of Major League Baseball, it's crazy, the innovation. You know, we've always looked at baseball as a little bit of an antique store. It's a little dusty. And baseball has suddenly decided that we're going to take some innovation over the last couple of years. And it's amazing, from the bigger bases to the pitch clock to the putting runners in extra bases, you know, extra innings on bases. And it's just like, it's like grandpa bought a convertible sports car and joined a Pilates and has a new girlfriend named Skyler. The old sport that's dusty has decided to upgrade and be progressive and smart. And let me tell you, it has worked. So last night at the Dodger game, Max Muncie, who had been sampling the torpedo bat and not doing anything like again, I said this yesterday, Aaron Judge and Ohtani are not using it and crushing. It's not for everybody. But I do think if you do use it for certain guys who hit the ball closer to the handle, sometimes it can get you hits. But it's as I said earlier this year, it's going to help the Gordon Ramsay chefs, not the guy working at Applebee's. In the end, you got to be a great player. So Max Muncie's a really good hitter and he used it, but then he ditched it last night in the eighth inning and hit a two run double to tie the game. So Max Muncie's like, yeah, I'm going to get rid of this thing. And his quote was, I felt like the bat was causing me to be a little bit off plane, a little bit in and out of the zone because my swings felt really good tonight, but maybe just a bit off. So I decided to go back to my regular bat bat. So again, Ohtani and Judge are not using it and Ohtani is batting.333 currently. And Judge is batting.368 with four home runs and 11 RBI. And O Otani, after trailing early five nothing. Dodgers race back as they're prone to do. Six of their eight wins this year have been comeback wins. And Otani on bobblehead night for Otani wins it. High fly ball to center field. Harris is back. Body inevitable. Every single night, they do something that makes you say, wow, how much fun is this? Yeah, it does remind me even to a greater degree. The Yankees always drew very well, but when they got a rod playing in his prime in New York, like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday games at Yankee Stadium, they felt big. And that's what Ohtani does. Like Dodger games now. And you'll see the Lakers warriors tonight. It's very hard. We live in an event as a society, and it's very hard. I mean, the World cup ratings are up. March Madness for the guys is generally up. The Olympics are up. NFL feel special. You know, Caitlin Clark games feel special. It's very hard even in a big city like Los Angeles to make Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday stuff feel like an event. And that was a rod in New York when he came to the Yankees. It just made Thursday, Wednesday games feel special. Dodger games now it is. Man, when you get into these late innings, these close games, that crowd is electric. And with that from the athletic, Diana Rossini covered the NFL for now a decade, is joining us live. So one of the interesting things about these winter meetings is the tush push. So I have said this before. I am a big fan of innovation. It doesn't matter what it is. Nil transfer portal, it's up to governing bodies to pull back. It's up to the IRS to slap an accountant on the hand and go, you're not gonna. You're not gonna use that loophole anymore. But an accountant's job is to find the loophole. Okay? So I appreciate the innovation of the tush push. I think it's awful television. I don't think it's a football play. So kind of give me the background. They've tabled it, but give me some insight on that. Some. Some behind the rope stuff, what you're hearing.
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Diana Rossini
Yeah, who knew that the tush push would be the most talked about item at the league meetings? There's so many other things that we could have been discussing and chasing after, but this stood out without a doubt because it became so controversial over the last few weeks in terms of the momentum that was building over the last Year or so, I'd been reporting and talking to you here on the show about how it would come up in conversations with the competition committee. And there was definitely a feeling around the league that Roger Goodell did not like the play. But no one ever thought that it would get to a point where it would seriously be in trouble here of getting banned. So now here we are where we're at the owners meeting at the beautiful Breakers Hotel with the sun shining down on us, and you've got people from the Philadelphia Eagles running around talking to all the different coaches and GMs, trying to convince them that they shouldn't ban this play. Laying out all the reasoning and the big thing you need to know about this is the. The people that are opposed to it have been saying that it's due to the fact that it's the safety of the players is the concern, but there's no data to back it up at this point. Right. So people like Philadelphia are going, well, there's no data here. So what are we talking about? Is it just because you think the play is ugly? Sean McVeigh came out publicly and said that that's his reasoning. So in the end, after all the campaigning, it really did feel like a political campaign. For the last three days in Florida, when it came down to it, the VOT, it was essentially 16, 16 it was even. So they decided and you know, to straw vote at that point. So they decide then to just table this thing. And that is just nothing but bad news for Philadelphia because essentially what they're going to do is Green Bay, the team that proposed it, has got to be the team that rewrites the language. They're going to rewrite this thing in a way that doesn't look so specific to this one play to Philadelphia. So it's going to look, look and sound a little bit more like the quarterback sneak. So this is going to be a way for them to get this banned. So I, in my opinion here, Colin, I think the days of the Tush push are over. I don't think we're going to see that play allowed in the NFL anymore, just based on the conversations I'm having and just the fact that they tabled it, you know. And look, at the end of the day, when owners know that the commissioner, Roger Goodell, does not like something, it tends to push them in one direction, and that's in favor of what Roger Goodell wants.
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Colin Cowherd
Is there a specific reason? I've got my own theories, but why Aaron Rodgers wouldn't just say, I'm going to be a Steeler. Like what's, what's the weight here? Is it, is it like, like because DK Metcalf was so in my opinion, overpaid that there's only about 30 some million dollars for Aaron. He's not going to sign a Russell Wilson deal. You know, I mean, I don't blame him. He's like, hey, I'm not, I'm not going to sign one of these performance deals. I want, I want at least Sam Darnold money. Is that the hold up the money or is it something else?
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Diana Rossini
It's funny. It's the hardest question I get in sports in all the years I've been doing this. What is Aaron thinking? Who knows? Who knows? But to your point, when it comes down to it, usually it's money, right? Financials are always part of it. He does not need to sign and take some cheap deal. He knows that the Steelers need him. Do I think he was going to be willing to take less to play for a team that he thinks is a Super, super bowl caliber team like the Minnesota Vikings say? Absolutely. But I think this situation is different. I think he understands that he's got the leverage in terms of their needs and that really just brings us to where we're at. When you talk to people from Pittsburgh, they really give you the sense that this is all going to work out. We're fine. You heard Mike Tomlin. I'm not panicked. Who panics in April? Well, teams that want their quarterback. Right. Like most teams do. And I appreciate that he's trying to keep his cool on it because look, he's, he's having the direction, communication with Rogers and I believe Rogers is telling him, we'll get there, we'll get there. I just think there's going to be a number here that's going to make Aaron happy. And I just don't know if Pittsburgh is there yet. So until, until we see where this is headed. For now, I think Pittsburgh is in a position where they're just going to wait and ownership knows and they trust that Mike Tomlin and Omar Khan are going to be able to get this deal done because otherwise this is going to Pittsburgh in a really, really bad spot.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you know, it's, I've had people ask me this, you know, even on the street, like what? They don't understand Minnesota. So they had Darnold and almost resigned him. They brought in Daniel Jones, they sniffed around with Aaron Rodgers and it's like, okay, Pennix is going to be a starter. Bo Nix Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Drake May. All the quarterbacks out of this class are playing. We think Kevin O'Connell's the shrewdest. You know, he's one of these shrewd guys that knows offense. They, they traded up to get him and, and they're like sniffing around at a lot of quarterbacks. I wonder sometimes if Aaron's still looking at them and waiting for a call. I don't know. What is the deal? Is it that second surgery thing with JJ McCarthy?
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Diana Rossini
It definitely makes you wonder what is going on in Minnesota because it doesn't feel as clear as it needs to be. But I think some of that has to do with the fact that he's a young quarterback coming off a serious injury. They don't know where he stands at exactly when it comes to full speed football. Although Kevin O'Connell and their general manager have both come out publicly in the league meetings and say that he has checked off every single box and I've actually felt a swing over the last two weeks, I'd say in favor of them being all in on JJ than ever before in terms of their confidence and belief that he can do it. Almost as if they're tethered to him now, which, which they are. They traded up for him. So this regime, this is their guy and this is the guy that they decided to move on from after having Sam Darnold, who won 14 games for them in the building and wanted to be in Minnesota. I think that's where a lot of people don't get. They think that Sam wanted to be the highest pay, you know, get the most money he can get in a contract. He wanted to stay a Viking and I think he would have been willing to take less. Then of course you have Daniel Jones, who essentially could have been the next Sam Darnold based on the abilities that I think Kevin O'Connell in the system could have provided him. He chose to go to Indy knowing that there was probably concerns that Minnesota would want to quickly go back to jj, whereas he can go to Indy, win the job and probably be the starter all year, knowing their quarterback situation isn't as up to the standard that they want. So look, I'm with you, Colin, and I've been digging on it for four weeks about what is truly happening in Minnesota. Why does it feel clunky to me? And I think just based on even coming back from the owners meeting, the feeling is we got to just see what happens in the spring. I think that's where we're going to get the answers about where JJ's at. This team is saying all the right things, like let's just talk pr. They are putting it out there. He is our guy. Which they should do and they have to do and they have to build his confidence coming off an injury. But they had a chance to get a Super bowl winning quarterback, a four time MVP they moved on from because they believe in J.J. mcCarthy. So that, that's good, that is good for J.J. mcCarthy. If this staff believes in him that much, we'll just see how it plays out in the spring. And if he's really as good as they say he is at this point.
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Colin Cowherd
So there's a lot of talk about, we'll wrap it up with this Shador Sanders moving down in the draft. I like him. I don't love him. I think a lot of people feel like that in your years of covering this league, you do a lot of stuff during the season and free agency. And Mel Kuiper told me years ago, he goes, there's never less honesty than like two weeks before the draft. So like, do you have any gems? Maybe it's shadow or anything else like that. You know, everybody is saying it's not a very good draft. There's a lot of shadow or Talk. In your 10 years covering the league the last couple of weeks before the draft, is it a perilous time for you? Is it fun? Is it frustrating to people, to people that usually talk, stop talking. What is it like to cover the NFL two to three weeks before the draft?
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Diana Rossini
I love it. I love it because everybody loves to talk about everybody else. So this is where you can really try to get their opinions and thoughts about what other teams are doing and playing out different situations. And you're right. My job is to report the truth and to get accurate intel so you know, your flags are up and you're pretty protective of certain things and it tests your relationships. I had a situation last draft where I thought someone that was someone I've known for 18 years was sharing intel with me and they went in a complete different direction. And when I followed up afterwards, I was like, hey, we talked so much about what you were doing, you were not doing that. And he was like, I couldn't do it. So to Mel's point, it is really hard sometimes and you have to go with your gut and your instincts. Fortunately, I never reported what that guy told me. But look, it's hard. You have to figure it out. But you also have to have common sense. You know, one of the best lessons I ever Learned from Mike Silver. He said it to me a few weeks ago. What we see is what they see. There's no hidden gem. There's no special goggle the GM and the head coach has on or special glasses that they can see stuff. We can what we know, they know. Maybe they know a little bit more behind the scenes on these guys, but when it comes down to it always just makes sense. So when you talk about Shador Sanders and, you know, is his value, is he dropping? Well, the quarterback class isn't that great, and we've got to see what Cleveland is going to do. Do they have a deal with Atlanta perhaps to see if they can get her cousins? If they do, they'll probably pass on Shador or do they keep Shador or are they willing to trade out? I think there's a lot of scenarios and it's all very fluid. So I think if you're willing to just go with how it's flowing and not be set in stone on everything, then it's a lot more fun. Otherwise, you drive yourself crazy.
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Colin Cowherd
Diana Rossini, the athletic senior NFL Insider, thanks as always coming on our show.
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Diana Rossini
Thanks.
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Colin Cowherd
You bet. Yeah, it's, it's, it can be a little bit of a perilous time because, you know, you can get in trouble.
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Jeremy Hobson
It.
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Colin Cowherd
I had the great honor several years ago to hang out in the Chargers draft room. Something I, you know, it's one of those. There's only, the only thing I haven't done as a sportscaster is go to a Kentucky Derby. And it's always been a time thing. I just can't, I never couldn't quite. I'm always vacationing or doing something. So I haven't done a Kentucky Derby. But one of the things I wanted to do, and I hope to do it again, is hang out in a draft room. I did it for the Chargers, and it is fascinating to be in there. At one point I was texting Ann or something. I was like, hey, you can't have your cell phone in here. But it's interesting because everybody's got a board and then they don't let you see the board on tv. But then they have several players that they have like red check marks. They have dots or check marks. The red guys are the character guys. Maybe, you know, the black check marks are injury stuff. Like you'll see five or six character guys like that are off the we're not drafting them, but they want to keep track of them or we're not drafting them. Injury. I can remember one specifically the Chargers had off their draft board that the Seahawks drafted and he didn't end up doing much. They had injury concerns and sure enough he got injured. I can remember another player, the drafts that the Rams drafted that other players, other teams were deeply concerned about because of injuries. That player has been good, but that player is constantly hurt. So it was a PAC12 player. So it's, it's. The draft is. I, I love it. Now I do think pro days are completely overrated. I think if you get three or four years of college tape from, you know, the Big Ten, the sec, you got a pretty, they're going up against NFL dudes, you've got a pretty good case. Now. I do think senior bowls help and I, you know, occasional interviews can be meaningful. Pro days are a bunch of nonsense. Everybody looks good at pro days. Zach Wilson blew everybody away on pro days. I think if you start putting too much, I mean, I wouldn't even give 5% of the pro day. I would give to me, 80% of draft is your film is playing in real games. And then I would say 15 to 20% is like a Senior bowl where you get to see guys in person, they compete against other NFL people. I think, I think the Senior bowl has real implications. Maybe 1%, 2% to the combine. No percent. I mean, who's ever. I am just trying to think off my head. How many people have you ever heard, listen, man, he was a Hammond Egger, he was a six rounder, but he went to the second round pro day. Now I think Zach Wilson was part of that Covid quarterback class where everybody missed on everybody. And that was because guys just didn't play. It was Trey Lance didn't have any big games. I mean Zach Wilson played like Utah twice. I almost throw the COVID class out. That was the one year at Michigan. Harbaugh's team was bad. Belichick just refused to take it seriously that season. So the COVID class, I kind of just take that out. The country was, I mean, literally, we couldn't go to games.
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Co-host
Do you remember the Zach Wilson pro day? I mean he was making unbelievable. It looked like some Mahomes throws. I'm not kidding. That's why the nickname Mormon Mahomes kind of sprung up. He was just flinging it effortlessly, like 60, 70 yards. And you're like, who is this guy? Why didn't I see him all season? And then he got under center during a game and you're like, oh, that's why.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's. I think I know I saw Daniel Jeremiah had this. I think they're like seven to eight players. I love I Abdul Carter. I love Travis Hunter. Genty's really good. I think Cam Ward's. I don't love him, but he's special. Tyler Warren, I think Will Johnson the corner and Mason Graham.
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Co-host
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
A war on the tight end I think is outstanding for Penn State. I don't think there's a great left tackle. I don't think there's a great center. I'll tell you the kid, the Williams, the linebacker, the most underrated player in the draft to me is the linebacker.
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Co-host
Is it Jihad Williams?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I think he is by far and away the best linebacker. He's a freak athletic. His. His footage is great. I think he is going to end up going like 14th or 15th and be. It reminds me when Patrick Willis went 11th in the draft. Francisco 49ers and I remember before the draft watching I worked at the other place and I'm like this dude is chasing down SEC running backs, this kid. I think that linebacker for Bama is going to end up being a starter and a total playmaker in the NFL. But I think everybody else is slotted, right? I only think there's about seven or eight guys. I like the receiver TMac from Arizona. I think he again, you get him to the right quarterback, he'll be an impact guy day one.
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Co-host
So do you remember a couple years ago we were ahead of everybody. We beat everybody to the market on this running back shift in the NFL. The running backs are back. I see some people are trying to make. Linebackers are back now. They're trying to make that a thing. I don't know if you've seen it this off season. People are pulling clips and I, I just am reluctant. The Alabama linebacker looks very good. I've seen some comparisons. Daniel Jeremiah loves him. I just don't know about a linebacker at 14.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin.
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Co-host
I mean I think when you could get the kid who was the linebacker the Eagles got who was incredible in free ages, they stole him from the sink.
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Colin Cowherd
Zach Bond.
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Co-host
Zach Bond. He was an all pro awesome. But he was getting paid pennies.
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Diana Rossini
You.
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Co-host
You got him for nothing. And so Rick taking someone at 14 at linebacker, which is maybe the weakest position of any starting group in the. In the league. Offensive line matters. You need skill, position, quarterback. Linebackers are kind of like eh.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's interesting you say that. So as the running game re emerges, couldn't you argue linebackers will re. Emerge alongside. So you know the NFL is, you know, baseball is very analytically driven. And basketball now is. Football's less so. So there's certain truths in pro football that don't exist in other sports. I mean, we used to think in baseball, like, the strikeout was terrible, and now it's absolutely understood the strikeout's fine. The ground ball with men on base is the, is the death penalty. Right? So there are certain things. This is why when the young media, a lot of young media was buying into this. Oh, woe is me. The running backs are not being treated fairly. My take is, at its core, football is one thing. For strong, physically imposing men like in the NBA, length matters. It mattered in the 70s. It mattered during Michael Jordan's era. Long players matter, right? You don't have to have centers, but you've got to have length on the floor. Wingspan and length matter. Somebody told me years ago, general manager said, Scotty, he goes, that Bulls defense with Phil Jackson was so long. Ron Harper was long, Rodman was long, Jordan was long, Pippen was long, KU coach was long. He said they would tip three or they would tip a half dozen passes throughout the course of a game that other teams wouldn't. And if they got two turnovers that gave Michael Jordan two possessions, Michael made at least one of those shots. He goes, you'd be amazed how many playoff games Phil and the Bulls won by a bucket. Yeah, and it's like length matters in the NBA. The NFL will always, the rest of our lives be about tough, physical men imposing their will.
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Co-host
Winning in the tr.
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Colin Cowherd
So you can make it wide receivers. No, it's not. Also in the NFL, this has been true for years. There has never been a warm weather dynasty.
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Co-host
Niners.
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Colin Cowherd
That's not, they're not there. That's not warm. I'm talking la, Arizona, Florida, Florida, now Atlanta. Go find me the Dome. Or like Dan Marino, second year super bowl. Never got back and had a great coach. And my take is when you play in warm weather, it's easier. And tough weather creates tough people. And so who's dominated the NFL forever? Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, New England, Philadelphia. Seattle had a run. Why is that?
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Co-host
It's not bad.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, go back to the 70s, good theory. It's cold weather.
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Co-host
Buffalo went to what?
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, right now go look at the NFL. All the best teams are cold weather teams. All of them. The warm weather teams. Teams are. I mean, Tampa's got a really solid quarterback and a great GM and good players.
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Co-host
Oh, Cowboys in the 90s. There's one. Yeah, you gotta go back.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way. By the way, they get. I went to a Super bowl in Dallas.
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Co-host
That's right.
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Colin Cowherd
It was, it was hail storms. So like Tennessee. Nashville, to me, feels a little bit warm weather. The Titans can't get out of their own way. I. I just. This is one of my belief. If you look at the NFL, well, it is overwhelmingly. And it is overwhelmingly crappy winter weather creates tougher cultures, tougher environments, tougher men and tougher football teams.
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Co-host
Okay. But I'm thinking of the NFL map and there's probably way more cold weather cities There are than warm.
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Colin Cowherd
There are. But, I mean, Carolina is. How about the. Right now, you could argue the two worst divisions in the NFL are AFZ south and NFC South. The warm weather division.
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Co-host
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, no.
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Co-host
I mean, does it just come to you?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I've thought about that forever. Just like I know because I spend a lot of time in Chicago.
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Co-host
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And you're shoveling the driveway and you're. And you're going for your morning walk and it's 43 degrees and you got more clothes on, and it's harder and it creates tougher, harder people. Yeah. I mean, when I was, When I was a kid growing up, the Big east basketball. Now, now you. A lot of you guys don't remember this. You were 20 or early 30s. Big east basketball was a fist fight every night. I mean, it was John Thompson and Louis Carneseca, P.J. carlissimo, everybody. All those teams were. And by the way, if you go look at UConn's basketball dynasty, Jim Calhoun to Hurley, what is their overwhelming brand? Tough, physical coaches bark. You deal with it. Those are loud, extremely intense coaches. They. They all play defense. There's never been a Baltimore team that was soft.
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Co-host
Is this feeding the. The soft narrative about soft LA players west of the Mississipp Mississippi, that everybody's just weak?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I don't know. I just. I mean, if you go. There's never been a Pistons team that was great, that didn't like the rumble.
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Co-host
Yeah, it's California cool, not California tough.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, that's right.
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Co-host
That's a. This is.
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Colin Cowherd
That's impressive, by the way. By the way, you have gotten softer since you got here.
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Co-host
No doubt about it.
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Colin Cowherd
You are smoothies and volleyball games.
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Co-host
Yeah. I'm wearing winter hats to walk my dog at 50 degrees. You know, I'm not kidding. That's real.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jeremy Hobson
Live in a divided country.
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Narrator
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Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
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Diana Rossini
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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Co-host
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Jeremy Hobson
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for having me, Jeremy.
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Jeremy Hobson
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Gilbert King
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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Colin Cowherd
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
- [28:44]
Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
- [28:52]
Colin Cowherd
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
- [29:00]
Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [29:08]
Narrator
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
- [29:15]
Colin Cowherd
I just knew him as a kid.
- [29:17]
Narrator
Long, silent voices from his past came.
- [29:20]
Gilbert King
Forward and he was just staring at me.
- [29:23]
Narrator
And they had secrets of their own to share.
- [29:26]
Gilbert King
Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
- [29:32]
Narrator
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
- [29:37]
Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
- [29:41]
Narrator
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never, ever known.
- [29:46]
Gilbert King
If the cops and everything would have done the job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
- [29:51]
Narrator
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
- [29:58]
Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
- [30:01]
Narrator
Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy, Jeremy, I.
- [30:05]
Colin Cowherd
Want to tell you something.
- [30:07]
Narrator
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9th on the iHeartRadio app app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
- [30:25]
Colin Cowherd
All right, welcome back. Show's humming today. J. Mac with the news.
- [30:30]
Gilbert King
No, no, no, no.
- [30:31]
Producer
Turn on the news.
- [30:32]
Colin Cowherd
This is the Herdline news.
- [30:35]
Co-host
Let's get started with a great night in sports. Ohtani goes yard. And then how about Anthony Davis of the Mavericks? A game winner. Went for 34.
- [30:43]
Colin Cowherd
15.
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Co-host
There it is. The drive and the floater. Really impressive stuff from ad. His best performance since he became a mav. I. I don't know. They look good. I'll say. Gafford is back. Lively's back.
- [30:57]
Colin Cowherd
Yep.
- [30:57]
Co-host
But no Kyrie Colin. Their backcourt is like Spencer Dinwiddie.
- [31:00]
Colin Cowherd
All I'm gonna say is it is easy to sell the farm, but this roster, in terms of size is the best in the league. They've got more. They've got a center rotation that is excellent. I know everybody doesn't like the Luca thing. And it's going to hurt because the Lakers are going to have a nice playoff run. It's going to hurt this year. Check back next year. Dallas is going to be a real team.
- [31:27]
Co-host
We'll see. We'll see how Kyrie Irving bounces back. It's been a see. Let's go to okc. Colin. The Oklahoma City Thunder, man, this team right now, they are Pistons, 119 to 103. They finished the season going 291 against the East. The best interconference record in NBA history. The only time OKC lost to a team in the east was January 8th against Cleveland. Listen, I've been dubious, obviously of OKC. I want to see at the playoffs. They steamrolled the east, man. I mean, they. They look good last night. Now, I know. Cade Cunningham, you know, I don't know. Are you a believer in okc?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, they're going to win playoff series. I think they'll. I. My belief is they're going to be in the.
- [32:10]
Co-host
Well, I would hope is the number one seed with an amazing point.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think they're going to get to the Western Conference, playoffs, Finals. They're in the Western. To me, the three things I believe strongly. Celtics, Cavs, Eastern Conference final, okc, Western Conference final. Those are the things I feel strongly about. Huh.
- [32:29]
Co-host
Who are they facing?
- [32:31]
Colin Cowherd
Don't feel strongly about that. I mean, I think if Denver played the Lakers or the Warriors, I think I would take Denver.
- [32:39]
Co-host
Don't bet against Luka. I just. That's a thing I've learned not to do. He is too good at the playoffs when it matters most. Remember, they took down OKC last year without home court advantage. Do you want to say any other nice things about SGA? Because, you know, the 18 Thunder fans are watching and we haven't glazed them sufficiently this season.
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Colin Cowherd
No, he's going to win mvp. I get it. I think. I think Jokic is the better player. Sga. It does matter what your team's doing. And when you have a dominant if you win 70 games, you're gonna get. Sorry, you're gonna 70 and 82. Say it out loud. What was Jordan's best team?
- [33:12]
Co-host
72. I believe they won 72 and then the warriors topped him with 73.
- [33:16]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean it's just you're talking.
- [33:17]
Co-host
Yes, 70 wins.
- [33:19]
Colin Cowherd
And also T they have great depth and they play great defense. So in the NBA, if you have a seven game series, you're not getting knocked. Nobody's beaten this team four times in two weeks in the first two rounds. Not happening. Not happening.
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Co-host
Final story Colin let's go to the Cincinnati Bungles. So we know they loaded up on Burrow, Chase and Higgins. We get that however defensive. And Treya Hendrickson, who led the league in sacks, he hasn't gotten a deal. He wants a new contract. Bengals executive VP Katie Blackburn said, I think he should be happy at certain rates that maybe he doesn't think he'd be happy at. I think some of it is on him to be happy at some point.
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Colin Cowherd
No.
- [33:59]
Co-host
What. How is this lady? Why is she talking to the media? Hendrickson calls her comments disappointing. Yeah, I would say so.
- [34:07]
Colin Cowherd
You need to be happy with what.
- [34:09]
Co-host
We'Re offering because we're the Cincinnati Bengals.
- [34:13]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [34:13]
Co-host
Really.
- [34:14]
Colin Cowherd
It's kind of embarrassing. Well, the whole I. This is a. A organization that I just kind of roll my eyes at. I feel like Joe Burrow's trapped. I really do.
- [34:22]
Co-host
How do we get him out of there? How do we get him to the Jets?
- [34:25]
Colin Cowherd
I don't think there's anything you can do. And I think it's just. It just happens. I think sometimes fans get trapped with a bad owner and I think Burrow's just going to have to live with this.
- [34:33]
Co-host
The Bengals messaging around all of this has been awful all offseason.
- [34:37]
Colin Cowherd
Look how small their scouting staff is to the Eagles. And now you can pay T. Higgins, Jamar and Burrow and Henriksen, but you have to hit on five draft picks annually. Well, Philadelphia does. The Rams do two rich owners who spend money. Like that's where the draft. That's why Dallas giving up draft picks is weird. Like what are you doing giving up 4th and 5th round draft picks for backups? Like the. Joe Milton's not going to start. He can't. You just pay Dak a fortune. Mingo, Trey, Lance. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, like you did the scouting. Everybody misses on draft picks, right? But the really good organizations find a lot of gems in the fourth, fifth and sixth rounds and that you need them when you're paying four guys. Top of the market. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. So it's official Cooper Flag Duke obviously playing this weekend for the right to advance and get to the national championship game. So the comps are pretty interesting coming out for Cooper Flag. Plus, old J. Mac tried to get me in the ribs earlier on the shade thrown at Lamar Jackson. Some interesting numbers I found next in the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
- [35:58]
Steve Covino
Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right?
- [36:30]
Diana Rossini
Right.
- [36:30]
Steve Covino
So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
- [36:56]
Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country.
- [36:58]
Narrator
I am a lifelong Republican with all.
- [37:01]
Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
- [37:02]
Diana Rossini
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
- [37:05]
Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
- [37:13]
Co-host
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
- [37:15]
Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.
- [37:20]
Narrator
Thanks for having me.
- [37:21]
Colin Cowherd
Jeremy.
- [37:21]
Jeremy Hobson
Neil DeGrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
- [37:23]
Gilbert King
Thanks for having me.
- [37:24]
Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
- [37:29]
Colin Cowherd
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
- [37:32]
Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
- [37:41]
Colin Cowherd
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
- [37:49]
Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [37:56]
Narrator
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.
- [38:03]
Colin Cowherd
I just knew him as a kid.
- [38:05]
Narrator
Long silent voices from his past came.
- [38:09]
Gilbert King
Forward and he was just staring at me.
- [38:11]
Narrator
And they had secrets of their own to share.
- [38:15]
Gilbert King
Gilbert King I'm the son of Jeremy Lyn Scott.
- [38:21]
Narrator
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
- [38:25]
Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
- [38:30]
Narrator
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
- [38:34]
Gilbert King
If the cops and everything would have done the job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
- [38:39]
Narrator
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
- [38:46]
Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
- [38:49]
Narrator
Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy Jeremy, I.
- [38:54]
Colin Cowherd
Want to tell you something.
- [38:55]
Narrator
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
- [39:13]
Co-host
The battle for the inaugural college basketball crown continues tonight with the second round of the quarterfinals, starting with Cincinnati taking on UCF, followed by Villanova, USC. It all starts at 6:30 Eastern only on FS1.
- [39:28]
Colin Cowherd
So we talked about Cooper Flag and I'd said about a month ago he looks like Jason Tatum to me, but a better defensive Jason Tatum. He'll be better earlier than Jason Tatum. I think he's a little nastier, a little better finisher and a little he's got a little chip on his shoulder and I think he's a better defender than Jason was coming into the NBA. So ESPN went out and talked to several NBA executives and scouts who anonymously made comps for him. A couple I don't see couple I really see. So the first one they say his ceiling is Kawhi Leonard. Very good defensive player. I Think I think Cooper Flag will develop into a better outside shooter than Kawhi Leonard was. But Kawhi Leonard is his ceiling. His floor comp is Lamar Odom. That I don't see. Lamar's talented but a little flaky. I don't know. I think that he, Lamar was a really good ball handler for his size. I just think people, basketball people love Lamar Odom. You know, six ten could handle the ball, get up and down the floor. I think that's the floor. And Lamar had a nice career in his prime comp. This is the one I see is Jason Tatum. Both Duke smart guys had a little to work on, do everything well, maybe not anything great, but everything very, very well. And his second star comp is Scotty Pippen. Now I think he's a better offensive player than Scotty Pippen, but, but I think the, the Jason Tatum, Scotty Pippen, those two, I absolutely get Lamar, not so much Kawhi, maybe a little bit. Kawhi is a very quirky all time player, but there you go. Chris Broussard on our show, he and I share the opinion the guy's going to be special.
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Producer
Day one you said there's really no weakness when you look at his game. He can bring the ball up court like a point guard. You can run the offense through him. He can pass, he can shoot in the mid range. The three Paul post up game. He can drive and finish, he can lead the break and he defends. But I don't really want to see him in Washington or Charlotte. I hate to say it, but that's just the truth, right? Chicago, when you look at what Kobe White is doing or of course San Antonio, it'd be an immediate big three with De'Aaron Fox and Wim Benyama and flags.
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Colin Cowherd
So I think this is coming at a good time for the NBA because baseball is surging in popularity. The WNBA because of Caitlin Clark is surging in popularity. The college football with the playoff in December is going to start surging in interest and the NFL is king and we got a World cup coming up next summer. So the NBA has kind of, I mean last night Denver sat all of its starters because they played a two overtime game the night before. I get it. But the NBA could use a big brand domestic product ready to come in and play. So I think if he goes to a Philadelphia or a Chicago or San Antonio with Wemby and I like the Utah fitness just because I think Danny Ainge, Kessler, I think they'll be. I think Utah's A little couple years behind okc, but they have a chance to be really good accumulating draft picks. I think Utah fits pretty well. But boy, if he goes to Carolina or New Orleans, you know, it's. I mean I've said before, even as inconsistent as Zion has been, if Zion would have gone to Chicago, Golden State or New York, it would have felt different. And the NBA. The NBA. And this is just the reality of it because you know, you can spot basketball talent early. And so teams start tanking for Wemby three years ago or at least two years ago. And that's the unsolvable NBA prop. People will always tank because they can see three years out the stars coming. We don't see that in football. Nobody saw Mahomes three years earlier. Josh Allen. It doesn't work that way. So it's the opposite in football where a guy has a great senior year and you're like, oh, finally he got, you know, he had a growth spurt. But.
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Co-host
But some of that is fool's gold. Kenny Pickett at Pittsburgh had one good year. They drafted.
- [43:29]
Colin Cowherd
That's right.
- [43:30]
Co-host
Hey, let me quickly ask you about Charlotte. If let's say Charlotte wins the lottery, they have Lamelo ball and Colin, I know you pay attention to the NBA. LaMelo Ball is one of the 10 most popular players in the league. Young kids love him. Shoe sales, jersey sales, his style. But you watch him, he doesn't appear to be a serious basketball player. Yeah, it's like a lot of silly shots and showboat.
- [43:51]
Colin Cowherd
Yep.
- [43:52]
Co-host
If I get Cooper flag with the number one pick, I'm looking to trade Lamello Ball. I would move off of him and just say, you know what? I don't want that kind of player around my new franchise guy.
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Colin Cowherd
And Carolina is NASCAR and college basketball country. So it's never going to be an NBA hotbed. It's just not. Like there's certain things that are true is that we're always going to care more about the Lakers and Celtics.
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Co-host
Well, when they had Alonzo Morning and Larry Johnson, they were. I mean this was like 30 years ago. They were huge for five minutes on those two butted heads. But. But it can be NBA. They love their college basketball. So you would essentially have a Duke kid going to Charlotte.
- [44:27]
Colin Cowherd
I'm saying is there are certain markets in the country. College football will always matter in Ohio. Always. It's just ingrained. Alabama will always be college football first. Kentucky will always be college basketball first.
- [44:43]
Co-host
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And I. It's just. I mean you Connecticut, they love men's and women's college sports and they love their baseball. And I. So I just think there are places that, I mean, I mean like prime example. Otani with the Angels, Ohtani with the Dodgers. Yeah, Same weather, same freeway. It's different. Dodger baseball will always be bigger. I mean the Mets can have success. It is a Yankee city. It's just the way it is.
- [45:09]
Co-host
Yeah. Like what happens if Magic Johnson doesn't go to the Lakers and goes to some random small. Like is he Magic Johnson?
- [45:17]
Colin Cowherd
No, he's Irvin Johnson.
- [45:18]
Co-host
There you go.
- [45:19]
Colin Cowherd
And he and his buddy called him Magic, but he was Irvin Johnson. He became Magic. I mean the magic was the exclamation point to the magic was Showtime.
- [45:28]
Co-host
Yes.
- [45:29]
Colin Cowherd
So J. Mac earlier, he loves doing this. Just unveils a graphic. I don't, I don't know where it came from. So he does this like once a week. It's like I, I have a hands off, not culpable. And he throws this out there and then sheepishly says, I don't know where it came from. Sorry radio audience, but it was Lamar Jackson. These are quarterbacks with multiple playoff wins. Seasons with multiple playoff wins. And yes. Brady 11, Mahomes 6. Montana 5. Payton 5. Brett Lamar 0. So he just throws this heater on the hands to me and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let me digest it.
- [46:08]
Co-host
Okay, here we go.
- [46:09]
Colin Cowherd
Well then I found and I don't know where this one came from either. Nothing do with this one. Here's playoff wins after seven seasons in the NFL, which is about 40% of a quarterback career. Lamar has three, Stafford none. Breeze 1. Peyton Manning three, Marino three. Meaning for a lot of quarterbacks who become like legendary, yeah it get it's a little bumpy early you ended up at a team that needed a star quarterback. And you know, and you know it's not always Mahomes lands with Andy Reid and Brett Veach and and Travis Kelsey. It is bumpy for a lot of people forget. You know I, last week I caught you off guard when I said hey everybody, do you realize Michael Jordan after hitting the shot in college to win the title, played two more years at Carolina in college and got beat one year by in state rival NC State. Okay, so you just forget. Peyton Manning had a reputation for years as a teeth clencher who got tight in big games. Now then Indy late beat Tom in a playoff game. Then he goes to Denver and Tom, Peyton Manning's first 10 years was this guy's unbelievable. But he doesn't quite play as well in Playoff games, Dan Marino, that are John Elway the. Again, if you're 20, you don't remember this. Yeah, yeah, John Elway. I believe it was his first three Super Bowls. Got housed.
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Co-host
Yeah.
- [47:41]
Colin Cowherd
Got three of the worst super bowl losses in this, in super bowl history. And then all of a sudden he got a run game and he got the right coach. And then he wins his super bowl mvp last day in the league and now he's a legend. So Jeter lands with the Kansas City Royals. You know what he is? He's a really. That kid Jeter. But Jeter has. Nobody's hitting behind him. They don't have a payroll for pitchers because they have to pay Jeter. And he makes the playoffs three times. Not every single year on the stage where he's number two. He's a legend. So we just don't have any patience now. We don't allow young quarterbacks to sort of, you know.
- [48:23]
Co-host
Well, we live in the now, you know, Lamar has another bad playoff game and we analyze it heavily. Except there's 24 hour news, there's shows like this, there's social media. And then the bombing, it just doesn't stop on Lamar for, for days because he lost another playoff game. That didn't happen when Peyton, I think Peyton lost his first four or five playoff games. Jets crushed him in one of like 4110, 41 0, whatever it was. And it's like, you know, it's barely a blip because guess what? There was no social media to amplify the failure. Social media is, you know, I've, I've, I profited handsomely. I'm sure you have as well.
- [48:55]
Colin Cowherd
But Michael Jordan didn't play with social media. Just nobody knows that. He was in college three years and two of them didn't do anything in the tournament where he lost a Donna.
- [49:05]
Co-host
Royal in the Orlando Magic in the playoffs.
- [49:08]
Colin Cowherd
One just disappeared into the ether. Hour three and a Thursday next.
- [49:13]
Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country, and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not, not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week, we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [49:45]
Narrator
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
- [49:52]
Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
- [49:57]
Narrator
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
- [50:01]
Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
- [50:04]
Narrator
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2, starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.