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Mark Sanchez
Now, let's get this party started.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, here we go. It is hour two, first hour, a lot of Caitlin Clark live in Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So in order to have, in my opinion, a great rivalry, both teams have to win Ohio State. Purdue is not a great rivalry. Ohio State wins too many of them. When Michigan starts beating Ohio State regularly, it takes a great rivalry and makes it even better. So you got to go back and forth. Yankees, Red Sox. It's. I mean, come on. The Red Sox keep trading away all their best players to the National League West. That's not. Nobody cares about the Red Sox anymore, okay? Except people in Boston. The best rivalry in baseball is Dodgers. Padres. Since Ohtani arrived, they've played 23 games. The Dodgers have won 12. The Padres have won 11. The eras, the runs are almost identical. The Dodgers have 26 home runs. The Padres have 27. Both are star studded teams. The difference is the Dodgers have trophies. The Dodgers have more big superstars. The Dodgers are a wealthier, richer franchise and more iconic. But when these two teams meet, and last night's another example, they cannot stand each other. Some of its proximity. Big brother, little brother. But last night, the Dodgers hit Tatis, a great player, in the back. And then, you know, you'll see the tape. And then eventually, you know, the Padres go after Ohtani, throwing it at his leg. And the Dodgers have so many stars, half the lineups a star. There's a lot of big dogs to go after. And this gets Dave Roberts all worked up. Roberts. Last year, Manny Machado, the former Dodger, now a Padre, threw a baseball in the direction of the, you know, the Dodgers dugout. So this is an incredibly intense rivalry. I don't want to hear the Cowboys and the Giants are a rivalry. They both stink. Chiefs, Bills, Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, Ravens. That's a rivalry. And so this is baseball's best. They are star studded lineups. The National League, along with the Mets, is stacked. And you can see the animosity. Padre fans will buy tickets and go up to Los Angeles. Dodger Stadium. Dodger Stadium. Dodger fans will drive down I5 and, you know, flood the Padres ballpark. It is absolutely Fantastic. And a lot of it's just proximity. But one franchise has so much young talent. Not a lot of them rich yet, but a lot of young talent. And the Dodgers, they're going to go out and just. They're going to. They're going to buy Mookie Betts and pay Freddie Freeman and. And go buy. I mean, the Dodgers have so much money, they'll go trade for pitchers who they know have arm injury history. They just want them for big spots in September and October. So there's a ton of animosity in this series last night. Once again, it's cats and dogs living together. And here's Dave Roberts.
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Dave Roberts
Absolutely. I mean, this guy, he hasn't come close. And for me, it's like, if they feel that's warranted on their side, part of baseball, if that's what they feel, and I give them credit because they hit him in the leg, own it, and we move on. But it's not a misfire. I do feel it was intentional. And again, that's part of baseball, which we all understand.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Three of the last five years, they have met in the postseason. And we said this last year, the National League playoffs last year were crazy. You could not turn it off. The. It was palpable. The Phillies, the Dodgers, the Mets, the pot. The National League right now is like the NBA's Western Conference. It's insanely good and deep and rich. And this. This is the best rivalry. It is really intense. And, you know, Manny Machado said after the game, he's like, man, they got a lot of big dogs. They got a lot of guys you can throw out if you want to get into. You throw at us, we throw at you. We got a lot. We got a lot of young guys. They got a lot of stars. They got a lot of hall of Fame guys we can throw at. So if you want to play that game, we're ready to play that game. But it's amazing. 23 times they have met since Otani arrived. 23 times. Dodgers 12 wins, Padres 11. Dodgers 27. Home runs, Padres 26. The runs are like 112 to 108. ERA 44 to 4, 2. It's incredible how close the series is, but at the end of the year, the Dodgers have had just a little more, maybe bullpen depth or middle, bottom of the order depth, and have prevailed in really fascinating series with that Mark Sanchez, who knows all about this rivalry in Southern California. It's crazy. It used to be Giants, Dodgers. When you and I, you know, 10, 15 years ago. Now it's. Now it's Dodger Rogers, Padres. So let's start with this. Congratulations. First of all, you just had twins, your lovely wife. You are a dad. You are now. You're probably sleeping a little less, but I want to start and say congratulations to you and your family. I can see that a little bit. Buddy, congratulations.
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Mark Sanchez
Thank you very much.
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Dave Roberts
She.
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Mark Sanchez
She's a superstar, and I'm glad she did the delivery portion. I was there to catch and, you know, throw them in that little incubator, whatever you bake them back to normal with. And it was. It was intense. But it's been a great couple months, and suffice to say, I'm ready for a little football. Maybe a road trip, go call a game or something. Might be good right about now, so.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, congratulations. Congratulations. You know, I was. I was. We've talked about Aaron Rodgers. Aaron didn't need this move for the money, the fame, or the legacy. He's a Hall of Famer, first ballot. He's rich. He didn't need it for anything. My take is he loves football and he wants to play football, and he respected Mike Tomlin, and that's okay. I don't see him as a Super bowl team, but if you can. I mean, to me, I don't see why you'd play. You've had a major injury. I think it just comes down to sometimes Aaron gives off the vibe that he doesn't need football. But I think he loves football, and I think he likes playing it and he's good at it. What is your take on him playing maybe just one more year?
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Mark Sanchez
I think there's two real things you got to look at and dissect when you're talking about Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers. I think there's the performance side, which we can circle back to, but then there's also, like, this cultural fit in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is one of those iconic brands, and the only way I can kind of relate that way is the way USC is. You know, there's this iconic global brand that everybody recognizes, and you're either one of them or you're not. It's a us or them mentality. Philly's kind of like that. You know, there's some iconic places that. That have this mentality and this give off this vibe. Well, Aaron's a little different, and he's technically an outsider. You know, he's not. Steelers, like, they breed their own talent. We don't go hire and acquire mercenaries to help us win games. We get our talent, we draft Our talent, we scout our talent. That's what we do. You're one of us or you're not. So he's battling against that in the public eye because he's an outspoken guy. You know, he was villainized, whether right, wrong or indifferent during the whole Covid thing. And immunization, immunization, et cetera, whatever, regardless, the circumstances are what they are. And so there's some of that. And when we circle back to performance, is this. Is this blue collar city going to accept Aaron Rodgers, who's outspoken, a little brash at times, you know, a little counterculture, a little against the grain, for good or for bad? I'm not opining on those things. Whatever he wants to do, will they accept him? Now we circle back to performance. If he puts up his same stat line that he had last year, especially the last 10, 10 games of the year, he went on a heater and kept the jets alive for a lot of the end of the season last year with very little help from the defense and especially special teams. They lost at least three games just with field goal kicking alone. So they're really, really struggling, and he was kind of keeping them afloat. If he can post those same numbers, that's a contender right there. All you got to do is make the tournament. Just ask me. I did it. We did it at 9 and 7 my rookie year, and 9. We back into the playoffs and we go on a run. That's all he needs to do. And that sounds easy, but the guy threw for almost 4,000 yards coming off an Achilles last year. He threw for 63% completion percentage. I mean, 28 touchdowns, 11 picks. The guy has plenty left in the tank. That's after an Achilles. So you tell me he's got a defense and some sort of a running game, some weapons like a DK Metcalf. I mean, there's pieces there. He's got to go through a tough division. That's a tough road to hoe. But he knows how to play in the cold. He's done this a million times. I like the move. I think it has a real chance. It's got legs. And, you know, whether we're talking about the acceptance of the city of Pittsburgh or his performance, I think they will be tethered together. And the performance, once you perform, people's tolerance seems to skyrocket.
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Jason McIntyre
So I want to ask you about Caleb Williams. So I. I have had this belief that if you go look at his first year at usc, he played within a system, and the first six games of his second year, he played within a system. And then Mark, starting with that blowout loss at South Bend, his last six USC games into his first year with Chicago, it's not been good. So my take has been. Is that USC's O line, at the end of his final year at usc, he didn't trust and Lincoln didn't trust, and he got into some bad habits of hero ball. He knew he was going to be the number one pick to protect himself. I would have done the same thing. And I don't think Lincoln trusted the offensive line, so he let him do that to kind of survive. He goes to Chicago, massive chaos on the coaching staff. They can't help him or protect him. Again, kind of bad habits. So I think Ben Johnson's primary job is, hey, I got to clean this kid up. I love this kid. But I do think it's fair that he's had about a year and a half between USC's O line and the Bears, that it's survival mode, and none of us grow during survival mode. We're just trying to get through it. So I see him as a brilliant quarterback who. It's more of a. He needs a cleaning at more than an elevation. You tell me, as a guy who played in this league, does that make sense at all?
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Mark Sanchez
I think you're. You're really on the right track. And with somebody that talented, the trick, for somebody as talented as Ben Johnson has shown to be, and efficient and successful as Ben Johnson has shown to be, he's got to find a way to separate, you know, those impulsive decisions where the ball goes into harm's way, where you're holding the ball in one hand and don't see the defensive end running behind you. When it's time to just operate within the system and keep the car in the center lane, 55 miles an hour, right down the center of the highway, punt on fourth and six, you know, gain yards on third and 15, backed up in your own territory, not trying to play hero ball and throw the pick six from your own 20. Those kind of plays, I think he's had a chance to try and work out of his system. And Ben Johnson's job is to separate when it's time to be Superman and go throw on the cape, and when it's time to be Clark Kent and just operate the offense, call the plays and execute the plays that I'm. I'm calling. Whatever I say in the helmet, I'm going to give you two options. Just pick the best option and one. Sometimes both of Those options suck. Pick the one that sucks less. That's it. That's all I need you to do right now. Now on fourth and nine in the, you know, divisional round, on the road, when you got to make a play. Hell yeah, dude. Let's go. This is the play. This is where we're starting. It's like an essay prompt, right? This is how. This is a starting point. But you're going to take this essay and this play wherever the heck you want. We need a big play. You're our guy. We trust you. So it's figuring out how to connect with him and get him to operate in those modes. And it's one of the most exhausting things to do as a quarterback because you have to keep all of those numbers in your head, down in distance, time of the game situation, score, the play clock. You know, we're not just out here running plays for people's health. We have an objective. There's a purpose when the play caller calls a play, so the sooner he can get him to understanding the purpose of each play in that specific situation of that specific game, this kid, the talent will take over for everything else. Look at a guy like Matthew Stafford. He plays a lot different today than he did when he threw the ball to Calvin Johnson into double coverage his first five years in the league. It's just a different mentality now. He's an extension of the coaching staff on the field. That's where they're trying to get Caleb Williams, because he's got arm talent, like dripping off out of his whole body. I mean, he's got the talent you want from any of your quarterbacks. Now it's about getting him to understand how to play, when to make the. To make the risky throw, when to cut it loose, and when to cut bait. Move on with your life. Punt the ball. All right, let's regroup. We'll get them next drive. And. And that's really one of the hardest things to accomplish as a quarterback, that impulse control, because you have all the town.
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Jason McIntyre
I want to. I want to end with this.
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Colin Cowherd
I.
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Jason McIntyre
One of the things about being a great team like Oklahoma City Thunder, they have prioritized the right stuff. Defense, get the ball to SGA and defense. Everybody's on the same page. We need a shot. Defense. And I think prioritizing in business, in sports, in life, it could be a political campaign. What are we prioritizing? So when Jen Cohen and before her USC prioritized, we're making $30 million a year from the Pac 12. We can't compete with the Big Dogs and the Big Ten in the SEC that are making $80 million a year. So USC prioritized. We're going to change conferences. It worked. They. Everybody in the building knew, guys, we can't compete. We get on $30 million TV contracts, okay? Then the second thing, they're in the conference. Here comes Jen Cohen takes over for Mike Bone. And then Jen prioritizes Lincoln. We got to get the nil up and we got to get to the playoff. And so now there's potential games in Oregon, in Washington, at Penn State, at Michigan, Ohio State. No more Washington states and Oregon states. So USC is saying, we don't want a South Bend game after a Penn State Ohio State game. We may play a. But on our terms. We're in a conference. You're not early in the year. And so I am defending usc where all the tradition. Your entire conference ended. Stop with a tradition talk. You can pay high school football players. Stop that. I do defend USC saying, we are prioritizing getting into the Big Ten, get the nil up and get to the playoffs. Well, guess what? A fourth cold weather game hurts your chances to get into the playoffs. Do you defend USC saying, hey, Notre Dame's history. It's not the end of the world. Or are you old school? You gotta play the Irish annually.
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Mark Sanchez
Well, the whole idea was to bring the country together, right? To make the country smaller in the inception of this game and have this rivalry kind of almost cross country, if you will. Right. And I think it served that purpose. I think it's been a beautiful tradition. The issue there is, my understanding, at least, was we'd always play at Notre Dame in like, September, October, latest was October. And we'd always play them at home. That was in South Bend. We'd always play them at home in Los Angeles, in the Coliseum, right around Thanksgiving.
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Jason McIntyre
Ish.
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Mark Sanchez
Because of the weather. And that was just kind of set up forever ago because that's the way it is. We want beautiful weather. We'd like to have a competitive game. We probably don't want the 3 nothing snow game in a blizzard that doesn't, you know, attract viewers. That doesn't make this game fun and exciting. So I understand all of those points. I think it would. There would be something missing if you don't see UCLA and Notre Dame on the schedule. I think that's a little strange as a USC former UFC player, but it's not the end of the world because you might end up finding them in the playoffs anyway.
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Jason McIntyre
That's right.
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Mark Sanchez
Sounds like it's just. It's. It's a tough one to just kind of sever ties, you know what I mean? There's like, that one takes a while to really rebound from, I guess, emotionally, you know, you just kind of. You're going to miss that. There's something to it. It's a beautiful tradition. I enjoyed being a part of it, and it meant something to both sides, and that's what made it fun. On a totally separate note, I think what you said about Jen Cohen is spot on. I think the position that USC is in this year, especially with Chad Bowden, I don't know if you've had a chance to talk to him, but the GM there now, yeah, is lights out. And it's really. You're getting the same messaging from Jen, Chad Bowden and Coach Riley, and everybody's rolling that boat in the same direction. It feels good. It sounds right. That 26 class looks incredible. This is going in a way that gets me as a former player, really excited. And I think Chad Bowden, after the success he's had at Notre Dame, I think he's going to want to play those guys. You know, I think he would miss playing those guys. And he's the one who really started to turn that thing around there. Got the right players with the right attitude that wanted to be a part of that Notre Dame tradition. Now he's getting those guys that want to be a part of this SC tradition. So this is going to take a lot off of Lincoln's plate and let him be that play caller. Let him hyper focus and singularly focus on third downs, red zone, get these guys in the right position and let our athletes take over. Chad's going to get you the athletes. Chad Bowen is going to get all the players he's got the connects with everybody. He's going to lock down California and none of the good players should be leaving this state. You play for the SC interlock on your chest and on your helmet. That's a big deal. And so he's reminding the people of that. So there's been a revitalization, it feels like, and hopefully Notre Dame is still a part of the schedule.
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Jason McIntyre
Mark Sanchez, great seeing you get rest. Congrats on the twins and your life and the next chapter of a great life so far. Good luck, buddy.
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Mark Sanchez
Appreciate you, man. Thank you.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it is interesting. If you look at the playoffs going to be extended, is it 14 teams now? If you look at Notre Dame schedule, because they're not a full member of a conference, USC Excuse me. Notre Dame is going to get into that tournament a lot. If Marcus Freeman's the coach, he's, you know, when Brian Kelly left, we're like, we think he'll be good. He's a great recruiter. Is he a good coach? Yeah, he's a good coach. So Notre Dame's getting into that thing. I don't worry about Notre Dame getting into the playoff. USC out of the Big Ten, I don't know. But they, they, the idea they wouldn't meet, they could meet regularly. Notre Dame is going to be getting into that playoff. The more it gets expanded, the more it ensures that because of all these big teams, the Bamas, Georgia's Notre Dame controls their schedule to a higher degree. That's why they signed a 12 year contract with Clemson. They need big games. They don't have enough of them on their schedule. Usc, Georgia, lsu, Ohio State, those, those teams. You want some breathers? You know, you want to lay up occasionally? Notre Dame's got plenty of those. They have to schedule up sometimes. The big boys schedule down in the major conferences.
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Colin Cowherd
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Gavin
Foreign.
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Jason McIntyre
Buker stops by last hour. Team USA without Christian Pulisic. J. Mac this been a good week for us. J. Mac with the news.
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Gavin
I love when you say that because I feel like every week's good for us. And we just got some breaking news. Colin in the NFL, Breaking news out of Baltimore. The Ravens have signed packers cornerback Jair Alexander to a one year, $6 million deal. Packers tried to trade him this offseason. No taker, so they just dumped him. Now yesterday, ironically, Lamar Jackson was advocating for signing his former teammate at Louisville. That's Jer Alexander. And now they're reunited. So I was just digging into some of their defensive stats. They got a good young quarterback out of Clemson, Wiggins, who played pretty well last year. And they have Humphrey in the slot who's excellent. He's getting a little old, but they do have an opening at the other corner, a woozier, former Cowboy, former Bengal. He's okay. Getting Alexander is a good fit. Their secondary now, if you look at safeties and corners, might be the best in the league. They got the young kid Starks from Georgia and of course, Kyle Hamilton. They're loaded in the secondary, which is doing it a little different.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Gavin
We haven't seen this formation. Hey, let's go. Safeties and corners. I think they might have the best secondary in the league.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, Jair is a great player. He just hurt a lot and he's a little kooky.
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Gavin
He said some wacky stuff. Come on.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I think cornerbacks are the receivers of defense where they you have to play with a heightened level of confidence because you, you know, for a cornerback, if you get burned, you can't let that play beat you again. So you have to play with a kind of exaggerated sense of importance and confidence. So I always give cornerbacks and receivers Especially corners, you're the only guy. You're on an island. There's no other position in football. Like, like if you throw a deep ball and the receiver doesn't get it, you don't blame him. But if a corner, if a corner can get beat on a play. Jalen Ramsey was one of the best corners in football for six years. And then in a couple of high profile games he got beat deep and the Rams moved off it. Like you just. The, the, this, this, the floor on a corner is basically if you get beat once in a big game, teams will move off you. I mean the, the Chiefs moved off Snead, who was a tremendous player.
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Gavin
He also wanted a lot of money. He got it from the Titans. My only thing, I'm looking at the biggest contenders in, in the afc. I guess if you toss the Bengals in there, this would be a big help because they have Higgins and Chase. But like the Buffalo Bills, go look at their game against the Ravens last year, calling the playoffs when they beat, when Mark Andrews dropped that pass, the Bills were going to Shakir in the slot. And then they're tight ends. They're not a big wide receiver team. The Chiefs don't have a great wide receiver. So I mean, I get this is a move. I don't think it like puts them over the top or anything, but ultimately I'm surprised other teams didn't get involved in Alexander. 6.6mil is kind of feels cheap. No.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it does. He's a good player.
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Gavin
All right, let's move on to the Green Bay Packers. Colin. Toughest division in football, probably. Lafleur and Gutted Kunst have two years left on their contracts and the team will not extend them ahead of the season. New team president. What a name. Ed Policy says that he is generally opposed to having them have lame duck status, but later added those are certain situations that probably call for it. So I would never say never. Is this a big deal? No deal. Nothing. Nothing to see here.
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Jason McIntyre
No. Generally the contracts of packer coaches and GMs doesn't. It's not like public fodder. I don't, I don't think, you know.
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Gavin
I mean, do they have something to prove this year? Like, what if they missed the playoffs? It's not out of the realm.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't know. I think the divi. I think it's the second best division in football after the AFC West.
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Gavin
So is that an excuse?
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Jason McIntyre
Like, hey, we're there. There are excuses and reasons. An excuse is the dog ate my homer. A reason is my mom Got into a wreck driving us to school. That's a reason. It's not an excuse. I mean, if you have. The Lions may have the best roster next to Philly in the league. You know, Chicago now, Chicago's roster's outstanding. If Ben Johnson can coach and Caleb can play Minnesota, I mean, don't we think Minnesota's personnel's top seven, eight in the league? I do so and so my take is, yeah, it's okay. You just lost probably your, arguably your best corner, Jair Alexander, when he's healthy. So. And by the way, you draft a receiver because you don't necessarily trust the young receivers you have with health or performance. So I think I'm not as high on Green Bay as everybody else is. I think, I think Detroit wins the division and Chicago's the wild card team. I don't think right now, personnel wise, I've always said I think Green Bay drafts and develops at an incredibly higher level. But they don't have right now a lot of great players. Minnesota's got some great players. Their left tackle and Jefferson are great players. Chicago sweat, Jalen Johnson, just on defense. Those are great players. Green Bay, who's Green Bay's best player? They have a. They have a lot of good players. They don't have a lot of holes or liabilities.
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Gavin
Well, it's funny you say that. So LaFleur got there, got Aaron Rodgers, and they had some deep playoff runs. I was dubious of Leflore, but it was like, oh, he's making deep playoff runs. Aaron Rodgers leaves. How many deep playoff runs post Aaron Rodgers with Leflore. Colin just put that out there, just.
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Jason McIntyre
Putting it out there. In Dallas. In Dallas, I think, I think, I think what has happened to Green Bay, they're a little bit like the Indianapolis Colts. We like their gm, we like their roster. We're just not sure how great they are at quarterback. And they don't have a lot of like, oh my God players. They don't have a lot of like top. I mean, there are certain teams in this. If you look at the Rams, Stafford, Jared Verse, Puka, Nakua, those are elite player. Baltimore's got a handful of those. A Ronnie Stanley, a Kyle Hannam, Hamilton, the center from Iowa, Lamar Jackson. Green Bay doesn't have a lot of wow. They think that the Texas receiver in the first round is one of those guys. Green Bay's like, Indy's got a lot of nice players and I like their drafting and developing, but there's not a lot of wow guys on this roster.
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Gavin
I Like the we don't know about quarterback. Jordan loves making like $50 million a year. Let's go to the NBA Colin, where we discuss Jalen Williams. Big game five with the 40 piece. Now, of course this is what the media does. You can't just say he had a really good game, nice job. You have to go over the top. And some dopes are comparing him to Scottie Pippen. If SGA's Michael Jordan and then you got your one, two, punch, well, Lou Williams, you have ever Sweet Lou Williams, great handle, bucket getter 6 man, he has come in and said, pump the brakes. We're comparing these current players to legends. Thank you, Lou Williams.
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Lou Williams
I'm at war with so all of our nostalgia still being so pro, still being such a thing to us, right? We gotta move on. Jalen Williams is paving his own path. So I understand the comparison. I understand what he's trying to get off. But allow some of these, we gotta start allowing these young guys in media with our opinions to create the best form of themselves. He's 24 years old. Allow him to create his legacy. Allow him to create his name.
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Jason McIntyre
I am on team Jalen Williams, he's a better shooter than Pippen.
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Gavin
Oh God. He's 24 years old, settled down, better shooter than Scotty Pippen already.
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Jason McIntyre
I covered Pippen in Portland. I never trusted Pippen. I never trusted him to hit a big jumper. I, I, there's no question Jalen Williams, in my opinion, Jalen Williams is a, a more skilled offensive player than Scotty Pippen. Pippen's a better defender.
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Gavin
Oh my God.
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Jason McIntyre
But in terms of offensive skill, first of all, three point shooting Williams, I.
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Gavin
Mean it's a three point era. He's jacking way more. Damn it, Colin, why do you do this to me? Gosh, I get so upset. Let me remind you, when Michael Jordan quit, walked away from basketball, Scotty Pippen was the alpha and led the bolster like a 56 win season. He was a superstar by himself as the leader. There's no way if SGA is out all next year, Jalen Williams is leading this team to 56 win. It's just not happening.
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Jason McIntyre
I absolutely would. Absolutely. He would. Oh, absolutely. With this team. This roster is Filthy deep. Absolutely 55 wins, no question. Absolutely.
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Gavin
Coward. You're my guy. But come on, are you drinking the drinking the Jalen Williams koolaid.
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Jason McIntyre
Do you know how much better the league is in terms of skill now?
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Gavin
Yes, I agree. 100.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean everybody on that team Caruso to dork can hit A three. Everybody can hit a three. They wouldn't be as good. They wouldn't have their closer. But Jalen next year is going to average 24. Holmgren is going to average 19 to 20. They're the best defensive team with a great coach and the best depth. They would win 50 games without SGA. Without SGA, they're not winning the title, but they would get to the playoffs, probably defensively, win a series. SGA is not one of their better defenders. They're winning games on defense. It kickstarts their offense.
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Gavin
Can we at least get Jalen Williams on, like the U.S. olympic team, which, by the way, Scottie Pippen was on. Can we like, see that? I mean, the hype train. This guy. This is a guy who in game three had like six turnovers and his handle was a mess. He looked like Jaylen Brown dribbling in the finals.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm just saying, at 24 years old, very good. He is more skilled offensively than Pippen. He is not Pippen the complete player yet, although his length tells you he's a pretty good defender. He is a good defender, but Pippin's resume is better. His in total game and his confidence. This is still an ascending player. Pippen was, you know, becoming more, at 25, a complete player, but. And they're both small school guys, but I'm just saying from an offensive skill perspective, Jalen Williams better player.
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Gavin
And to be fair, Pippen had, of course, the migraine headache, which everybody remembers against the Pistons. I don't want to go in the game, you know, really bad early in his career. So if you want to compare this Jalen Williams to that Pippen, fine. But I mean, Scottie Pippen, like, he's almost underrated at this point, isn't he?
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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Jason McIntyre
And he's not underrated. He's called the best, the best Robin ever. I, I don't think that's underrated.
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Gavin
I would go Kobe is the best Robin ever to Shaq with those Lakers team.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, they, they were kind of. They were kind of. One was the emerging as the best perimeter guy. One was the best dominant inside guy. I, I never looked at it a one and two. I, I thought Shaq was more dominant, but Kobe had his nights as well. Yeah, I didn't think Kobe took a back seat to Shaq. It's just Shaq was more.
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Gavin
I'm pretty sure Shaq won three Finals MVPs. Or did he not?
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Jason McIntyre
No, I know. Well, Steph doesn't take a backseat to KD. KD was winning finals MVPs.
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Gavin
Good point.
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Jason McIntyre
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Jason McIntyre
Do you know how much J. Mac, do you know what the the cap hit for Josh Allen, currently in the NFL? How much of a cap hit is he in the NFL for? For the Bills.
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Gavin
So this is either super low or super high. I will, I will guess blindly it's low.
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Jason McIntyre
He's 10th, which is he could be number one. He's, he's the most talented player.
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Colin Cowherd
He's 10th in cap.
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Jason McIntyre
How about, how about Patrick Mahomes?
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Gavin
Okay. He's always reworking his dial.
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Jason McIntyre
8Th. He's 14th.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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Jason McIntyre
So it tells you they both have good rosters. So right now Lamar Jackson is the 10th highest paid quarterback. So you could say to yourself you're kind of getting job now. His contract runs through 2027, so he deserves tweaking and he should be paid. One of the top five. You're not always going to be perfect. Right now the highest paid quarterbacks are Dak, Josh Allen burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love Tua, Brock Purdy, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson. It should be noted, Dax on a bad roster. Burrows roster is okay. Trevor Lawrence roster okay. Jordan Love roster lack stars to a roster and Purdy's roster's overstated. Justin Herbert will see so about half the time when you pay the quarterback big money, it hurts your overall roster. I think, I think Lamar Jackson's smart enough to figure that out. You know, Drew Brees had a couple of lean years in New Orleans. It was when he was getting paid the most. And then Sean Payton and the guys went to him and said, if you want better players, you got to take less money. So it should be noted that Josh Allen, on his six year deal, he took a $90 million discount. So on his 330 million dollar extension, I know you know that you're just like, wow, how could you do that? It'd be hard. I'm not denying that. But Josh Allen wants to be an all time great, not the all time richest guy. Kirk Cousins got a lot of money and when we think of Kirk Cousins, we think he has a lot of money. I think when you're as good as Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or, or Brady or Breeze, I think you're. I think basically things supersede money. I mean, Tom Brady signed a massive contract with Fox. He doesn't do that with one or two super bowl rings. He does it with seven. So I mean, it's just Michael Jordan has never been a broadcaster before. He just signed a massive contract. Was it NBC? It's because he's got six rings. So for Lamar, he got to get that ring because I think he is an all time talent. He's the most athletic quarterback, including Michael Vick, I've ever seen, including Steve Young, Brett Favre, I think he's it. So he was asked about his current contract situation and where he's at with it.
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Mark Sanchez
How would you describe whatever conversations you've had with Eric to this point and are you feeling any urgency to get something done?
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Jason McIntyre
You know, I never discuss contract situations here, but yeah, I don't want to talk about it. Is that okay with you?
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Mark Sanchez
Well, that said though, that once it gets done, you're going to be the highest taped player in the NFL. I mean, that must sound pretty good.
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Jason McIntyre
To you, right, Jay? Missing sound good? Yeah, he don't want to talk about it. And I, I think it's very, it's very simple to figure out like you want a better roster, you want Better supporting cast, you got to take a little less money. Now the good news is, and I've always said this with the NBA, if you're a great player, you're making eight figures in shoes. Some of these guys are making six, seven figures in social media stuff, production companies. So again, I understand players always taking the most they can take, but I think there is an exception. If you believe you're an all time great talent, and I think Lamar's in that class. I've never seen an athlete like this at quarterback. Then money becomes secondary. You're going to make your money. You're an all time great. Dan Marino didn't even have a Super Bowl. He made a lot of money broadcasting, merchandising, isotone or gloves, whatever. So my take is if you're Kirk Cousins, take the money. If you're Josh Allen, take a little less and get rings. And I think I, I think Lamar is in that class. And that's my take on LeBron James. I mean, now, now LeBron may be saying, hey, I'm not taking anything less. We got a production company, you got a massive podcast, real estate, you're a billion net worth shoe deals. At some point. I always think this. When you get into these sports, it's a collective, right? When players retire, what is the thing they say they always miss? The locker room, the flight, the guys. Nobody ever says the check because they're all rich. Especially nowadays. They miss the camaraderie. You know, when we ask those players, what do you miss? It's usually the great players. Because the locker room and those flights home are always awesome when you win. They're not awesome. They're not awesome when you lose. How can I, as a star player ensure we win more than we lose? And now part of it is luck. Who drafted you? Ravens are a great organization. He got lucky. Jordan Love got lucky. You know, the Hunt family, Mahomes got lucky. Brady got Belichick and Robert Kraft. Some of it's luck. And you can, like Joe Burrow did not get as lucky. You know, Derek Carr, say what you want with the Raiders, they were swimming in chaos. Did not get as lucky. And so I think Lamar has to be grateful that he landed in one of the great organizations in North American sports. But I also think Baltimore's damn lucky to have him. You know, to go from Joe Flacco to Lamar Jackson and not miss a beat, that doesn't happen much. To go to Peyton Manning to Andrew Lucky. So I think it'll get worked out. Lamar doesn't Want to talk about it? I would. I would pay him. Here's another thing. Quick story. J. Mac, you're kind of a Rams hater. Left tackle Alaric Jackson not at minicamp for the Rams. Blood clot. Oh, this, this is not the first time. So it was very interesting in the draft, they did not surprisingly take a corner or an offensive tackle. Yet they took another running back and another edge rusher. And some people said, well, what's the point? And I'm not going to question the Rams drafting, but I did think it was strange they did not draft a left tackle. I had them going second, third, fourth pick. They didn't. And now the reason Alaric's not Trent Williams, he's undrafted. Andrew Whitworth retired. He's an undrafted player. Matt Stafford's 37 left tackle means more to this team than almost any other team in the league. Matt is one of the last pocket quarterbacks. Left tackle for the Lions. Left tackle for the Rams is even more important than it is for the Ravens or the Chiefs or the Bills or. Or Arizona. So this is a real thing. Blood clots miss camp. Not the first time. So Andrew Whitworth has championed this player. Very rarely in the history of the NFL do you have an undrafted left tackle. Almost every great left tackle in the history of the league. I mean, it's like 25 out of 30 are first round guys. The planet just does not give you 6 foot 6, 330 pound guys with good feet. The man upstairs doesn't create many of those. About one a year on the planet. So this is something to watch. Keep your eye on this. So Stafford's blind side is a real thing. Remember, they win a Super Bowl. Whitworth retires the next year. Their O line is rated 25th. Sean McVay has his worst season. The only thing that's ever disrupted winning for Sean McVay. Offensive line issues. Keep your eye on this. That's a big one. I know. You know J. Mac Soul is looking for reasons the Rams are gonna fail. Always looking on the negative side with the Rams.
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