Loading summary
Transcript129 lines
- [00:00]
Colin Cowherd
American Public University, where service members like you can access high quality, affordable education built for your lifestyle. With online programs that fit around deployments, training and unpredictable schedules, APU makes it possible to earn your degree no matter where duty takes you. Their preferred military rate keeps tuition at just $250 per credit hour for undergraduate and master's tuition, and with 24. 7 mental health support, plus career coaching and other services, APU is committed to your success during and after your service. Learn more at apu Apus Edu Military. That's APU Apus Edu Military. As a renter, do you ever feel like you're just throwing money away? Think you'll never be able to save enough to buy your own home? Then check out Rent Rewards from Rocket Mortgage. They're helping you put your monthly rent payments toward home home ownership. And for the first time, you can save up to $5,000 off the cost of your home just by paying rent only at Rocket Mortgage. Learn more today at 800-4Rocket or just visit Rocket.com Rocket Mortgage LLC equal housing.
- [01:21]
Jordan Schultz
Lender licensed in all 50 states NMLS.
- [01:22]
Colin Cowherd
Consumeraccess.Org 3030 the NBA 82 game grind is done and now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here and they're huge and it's time for the high stakes drama, clutch moments and jaw dropping plays. If you're looking to make the playoffs Even more exciting, DraftKings sportsbook has you covered. It's the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Make it a playoff run to remember with DraftKings. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. The code is heard herd new customers will get 200 bucks in bonus bets betting just five bucks only on DraftKings. The crown is yours.
- [01:56]
Jordan Schultz
Gambling problem. Call 1-800- gambler in New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text hopeny467-369 in connect. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resort in Kansas. 21 Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario, new customers only. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.
- [02:30]
Colin Cowherd
The herd is brought to you by Grainger. If you work as a maintenance manager, your facility is your home turf and your home field advantage is having a partner like Grainger. They offer trusted professional grade products for every industry from lighting and electrical to safety and everything in between. Plus next day delivery, which is why they always come through in the clutch. Just like you. Call 1-800-GRAINGER, click grainger.com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done.
- [03:00]
Greg Cosell
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon.
- [03:07]
Colin Cowherd
To 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific.
- [03:10]
Greg Cosell
Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com.
- [03:13]
Colin Cowherd
Or stream us live every day on.
- [03:15]
Greg Cosell
The iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
- [03:20]
Dan Morgan
Now, let's get this party started.
- [03:22]
Greg Cosell
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, draft week starts officially on Monday. Greg Cosell is going to join us in about 90 seconds to two minutes live. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac comes back next week. Jordan Schultz filling in this week has been great. So it's been a fun week for us. I got a little bit of pushback on my Jackson Dart opinions, which I have said I think he's a better version. Same high school, same basic size, same basic option defense. Struggled against better college competition too often. For me. He's Zach Wilson, but a little thicker. Got a lot of pushback on that. I think he's a little bit of a nervous thrower in big games when you rush him. I don't love his decision making. Also, I think Shador Sanders, who is one of the most accurate college quarterbacks I can remember seeing playing behind an atrocious offensive line with no run game. I think he's undervalued. I don't get him falling to 21. I don't. I think there's a gap between should.
- [04:25]
Colin Cowherd
Do it for me.
- [04:26]
Greg Cosell
There's a gap between Shador and Jackson Dart in my trust. If I was a general manager on what I have seen in college through 40 or 50 starts, I trust Shador Sanders to run an offense, be composed, be accurate. Jackson Dart I Accuracy worries me. Tempo worries me. In some big games when he was hurried, he there's a little bit of a Zach Wilson thing that worries me, but I've gotten a lot of pushback, especially on Jackson Dart. With that we bring In Greg Cosell, 45 years, NFL Films out this week. By the way, the Tape Notebook, a comprehensive draft guide by the best in the business, Greg Cosell. It's called the Tape Notebook. So listen, everybody has basically said and I think mostly right, there's some quarterback talent. It's not a star draft. Let let's Take Cam Ward. So he was a no star recruit. I watched him at Washington State because I'm from Washington State but not a lot of people did. He goes to Miami, he pops. Does he look like a bonafide franchise changer on tape?
- [05:30]
J. Mac
I think he does. Colin. I, you know it's funny, I finished watching him. I finish all the quarterbacks before the combine because I always get asked about them at the combine. So I finished all those quarterbacks and my opinion doesn't change because it's based on tape. And I saw Ward as a true legit high end prospect who's worthy of a top pick in a draft. He's clearly the most physically gifted quarterback in this draft class. And you know, I just think that the traits, the high traits level and I know some people at Washington State who told me that he's a great kid, that he's got a dog mentality. So I don't think there's any concern there at all with Cam Ward. I spoke to an NFL coach and I felt the same way who said that if he was in last year's draft he would have been in this the conversation with the top three. And I personally believe that based on tape study.
- [06:20]
Greg Cosell
Okay, so we, I've said I think Tennessee is going to be a playoff team with him. That's my one of my upset picks. I think he's a starter now. I like Shador more than others because I can't get past this. When I watched him and I probably watched him like everybody else a dozen times, I thought he was kind of uniquely accurate. Moving left, moving right, holds the, holds the ball too long. Some of that though may just be get more refined. So it does worry me. They say he's not a great athlete, but he feels like he moves well enough. To me he had to with that O line. I think he's a B prospect, not an A. What's the tape say to you?
- [06:56]
J. Mac
Yeah, I think at his core he's not a statue by any means. Just like CJ Stroud has turned out not to be a statue. But at his core he's a pocket quarterback and I think he's got an over the top delivery. He's an easy natural thrower of the football. He is accurate. He did throw about 150 screen passes this year. So I think the 70%, whatever it was completion percentage that is irrelevant in conversations about him just because of the high number of screens he threw. I like Jador Sanders. I think there's two things that he clearly has to Work on one is he has a tendency to retreat backwards when he feels pressure. And that cannot happen in the NFL. And the other thing, and this can be cleaned up, is he tends when he perceives pressure to hold the ball with one hand, with his right hand. And you know, that's disaster in the NFL. But I think he's an easy natural throw of the football. He's pretty rhythmic. That's his game. There are plenty of examples on tape where he stood in the pocket in the face of pressure and delivered the football. And I think that's real positive. He's going to have to do as a pocket quarterback, you're going to have to do that. You're going to have to work in squeezed pockets and stand and deliver. And I think he showed that it's always easy to talk about offensive line. We saw this with Caleb Williams. The one other thing that's concerning is quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in college for whatever the reason, Colin, get sacked a lot in the NFL. We saw that with Caleb Williams this past year.
- [08:23]
Greg Cosell
Okay, we'll probably start disagreeing here. Jackson Dart worries me. When I first watched them in college, I thought of Zach Wilson. I didn't know they went to the same high school, power high school in Utah.
- [08:35]
J. Mac
Right.
- [08:35]
Greg Cosell
You know, they've kind of the RPO thing, very successful. Didn't always think Jackson Dart saw the field particularly well. That was my knock on Zach Wilson. Also my knock on Justin Fields. Some guys just don't see it as quickly. They have slower eyes or whatever they call it. I don't see him as a first round quarterback. Tell me I'm wrong. What do you see?
- [08:57]
J. Mac
I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I kept going back and forth on Jackson Dart. I watched him last summer from his 2023 tape. I think I watched 10 or 11 games this year because I just couldn't get a great feel on what I think he'll be in the league because that's what we're talking about. We're not talking about college football. We're talking about the projection and transition. I think I ultimately came down on the fact that he could be a quality starter depending on any number of variables and variances, which is usually the case with most quarterbacks. You know, the system he ran at Ole Miss, it was a really good system. He was very efficient and proficient at it. They did run a lot of NFL route concepts contrary to what people might believe. One thing that always bothers me, I kind of learned this from Phil Sims years ago and it always bothers me with quarterbacks. Once Phil told me, and it resonated is he works hard, Colin, to throw the ball and guys that work hard to throw the ball. I always think when there's going to be pressure and you have to kind of sit on your back foot and drive the ball with some velocity, I always wonder how that's going to play out. Like, for instance, Cam Ward has zero problem with that whatsoever. So, you know, I just kept going back and forth on Dard. I'm not quite as low on him as you are, but I'm just not certain about what he is in the league. I think it's going to be a function of team, coach, the offense that he's asked to run. So many factors that we just don't know right now.
- [10:26]
Greg Cosell
Okay, so it's funny because I keep hearing this about this Louisville quarterback, Tyler Shuck.
- [10:34]
J. Mac
Yep.
- [10:35]
Greg Cosell
Okay. Been hurt a lot, bounced around a lot. He's 27. The truth is, when I was in college, you go to your college dorm and there's always that one old guy in the college dorm and he runs the floor. I forget the name of it, but he runs the floor. And he's got a beard and he drinks better beer. He drinks better beer than all of us. We're drinking, you know, like, cheap, Milwaukee's Best. And I think to myself, it reminds me of this guy. Like, listen, he's 27. He should be more physically developed. He should be smarter. He's got more reps, but it's like he's older than Trevor Lawrence. I'm always so reluctant on, like, really old college quarterback who crushes in his final year of college. What do you make of Louisville's quarterback?
- [11:23]
J. Mac
Well, I can only tell you what I saw in film and by the way, in talking to people around the league, the age doesn't bother them as much as the injury history, so just keep that in mind. But I thought that after Cam Ward, just purely on tape, that he had the next best tape of any quarterback in this year's draft. I mean, he's a big kid. He's almost six'five and by the way, that's a traitor. He's almost six five. He throws the ball really, really well. He's got movement, ability. I like Tyler Schuck a lot. I don't know where he's going to get drafted. I doubt he's a top five pick. But, you know, I think the tape was really, really strong. And I really liked his game a lot. And, you know, I've Heard people who do this kind of thing, you know, that interview him, talk to him, say that he is really mature, which of course he should be, as you said, but that he's ready to go right now. He's one of those guys that's really impressive in person. But the tape was very, very impressive. Colin.
- [12:19]
Greg Cosell
Okay, so I said this about Aston Genty. It's a really good running back draft, but I remember years ago. I'll tell a story. So it was a draft that had Patrick Willis, the Ole Miss linebacker. And I don't know if you and I were doing our thing back then, but I remember watching the pre YouTube. I saw a couple pieces of video as I was waiting for the draft where he literally ran down an sec running back. And I said, I'm like, that's the best player in this draft or the SEC at that time. I said, that piece of tape doesn't look normal. That's. That's a pro. I saw a piece of tape like Jamar Chase as a sophomore. I'm like, that guy would start for everybody in the NFL. Aston Genty, even against Oregon, is bouncing off NFL players. Oregon's got NFL dudes. Penn State, he's just. It seems like nobody. Maybe it's because he's five, seven and a half, five eight. I watch his tape and I'm like, I know he went to Boise State. I know he's small. Nobody can get a clean shot on him. I think we're looking at a star here, aren't we?
- [13:23]
J. Mac
Well, that's the magic to him. The contact balance, the ability to absorb hits, continue to move without losing any momentum or speed. That's kind of his magic elixir. That's what makes him a really, really good back. You know, it's interesting that he didn't run because I'm not sure that he's straight line fast the way we think of it, but I don't think that matters for NFL running backs for the most part. But no, I think he'll be a really good back. You know, it's interesting in talking to people, there are some people, and you might disagree with this totally, but there are some people in the league who think that Amarian Hampton is a better NFL prospect than Genty. And I guess we'll find out. But there's no question, the contact balance, the low center of gravity, he's only five, eight and a quarter, five eight and a half. So he's very low to the ground. He's very tough to get a clean hit on. And he's got that ability just to sort of. It's not power per se. It's not like he runs over people, he pinballs off people. He absorbs it and continues and that's a very rare trait. And he's got that. And I mean he'll be a good pro. You know. Again, it's always hard to know, you know, running backs are hard, Colin, I'll tell you why. Who would have thought what three, four years ago that Kyron Williams coming out of Notre Dame would be an NFL feature back and have 316 carries last year, you know, and not even play the final game of the season. So it's very difficult with a lot of these backs. So much is dependent on team and scheme.
- [14:47]
Greg Cosell
So Travis Hunter, I do think Ohtanian baseball is something that we're all shocked to see. But I do think going forward we're going to see a few Travis Hunters. We're going to see kids now athletically that can play both sides of the ball. His motor is weird. He can play 88 snaps and on the 88 snap he looks like he's, it's his third snap of the game. I would prefer getting him the ball than defending the ball. When you watch tape, is he a better receiver or corner?
- [15:20]
J. Mac
I would probably say at this point in time he's probably a better receiver. But I think that corners, you know, you can always find quality receivers. Really good corners are tougher to find and I think in terms more of preparation. Colin, do you think, and do you think you can be a part time corner? Think of it this way. Imagine if you're, you know, he's not going to be on the Eagles, but just think of it this way. Imagine Nick Sirianni walking into Vic Fangio on a Wednesday, you know, as they're preparing for a game and saying, hey coach Vic, you know, today Travis is going to be with the offense, not with you. Well, Vic's going to tell him, well then you know what? He's not, he's not playing on Sunday because you know what? We're putting in 15 new things and if he's not here for the practice and the meetings and all the things that we're going to do, you know, I don't care how gifted he is, but you know what, if he makes a mistake, we're giving up a 60 yard touchdown. So to me it's not whether he's physically capable of doing it. He may be that freakish guy. That is because what he did in college is absolutely remarkable. It's ridiculous, but I think it's more about the preparation during the week. I'm not sure you can be a part time outside corner in the NFL and start. I don't mean being a nickel or any of that. I mean playing, you know, 70 snaps at outside corner because there's too much, I think that goes into the preparation with that in conjunction with the, with the rest of your defense, whereas you can be a part time receiver in terms of playing 15 or 20 snaps in given packages. So I'm not sure that's going to work out. But I mean, he's obviously a uniquely gifted athlete.
- [16:53]
Greg Cosell
Okay, so I know this is not a first round player or maybe a second round player, but. And I know his deep ball is erratic, but I said when I watch Kyle McCord, anything intermediate or under, he lets it rip, he's accurate, he can squeeze a ball into tight spots. He's played with a powerhouse and then he's played with Syracuse. He's wildly productive. He's a pure, he's a pocket guy. But I said he's a pocket guy, no question. So he's not going to be a first and probably a second round pick. But I said if, if McVay went and got him and he sat behind Stafford for two years. I look at Kyle McCordon, I'm like, I know he's not sexy athletically. That looks like a starting quarterback to me. If you told me there was a guy that got drafted in the fourth that in two years started and was effective, I like him. But. But he's just a pocket guy. So does that limit him in your evaluation?
- [17:46]
J. Mac
Well, let me ask you this. Everything you just said, and, and I just thought of this right now and I'm sure people are going to say I'm crazy, but everything you just said, how would that be different from Shadir Sanders?
- [18:01]
Greg Cosell
Yeah. Shador maybe throws a better deep ball.
- [18:05]
J. Mac
Yeah, well, I agree with that. You know, McCord's an interesting guy because one of the things that really struck me when I watched him and I think he throws a good ball, he does have a tendency and I don't know if this can be cleaned up, it just might be the way he throws. He does have a tendency certain times to lift his back foot off the ground before he throws and that impacts your velocity and your accuracy at times. But I like the player, you know, he's one of those guys. And I don't normally think like this, but just for you and I talking like, if 10 is the highest to me, he's like a seven in everything. You know, he's just. He's a solid player. It's possible that he could be a starting quarterback for sure. I mean, because now you get into team and scheme again, you know, if he's got a run game. And I know people are going to say, well, everybody needs this, but you and I both know that there are certain quarterbacks in the league that can overcome deficiencies, whether it's within their offense. If they don't have a great defense, they can overcome deficiencies because they can just make those wonderful individual plays. McCourt is, you know, do you look at McCourt and think of Kirk Cousins in his prime in Minnesota? Do you see that?
- [19:10]
Greg Cosell
Yeah. I mean, a little bit. I remember Kirk at Michigan State. I think I will say, I think he's a more aggressive thrower than Kirk. He'd throw more picks. He's got a little Philip Rivers attitude. He lets it rip sometimes, and I don't think it's the best decision in the world. Whereas Kirk is pretty safe.
- [19:26]
J. Mac
Yeah. Although, I mean, if you told a team that drafted McCord and said, well, we think you're like Kirk Cousins, and cousins for what, four, five, six years in a row, threw 35 touchdowns and 10 picks every year, and you said, well, you know, if he could do that, I bet teams would say, that's pretty good. We'll take that.
- [19:41]
Greg Cosell
Yeah. Okay. I want to. I want to do this you've been doing. I have so much respect for you. I've always said there are certain positions that I can look at and go, oh, yeah, that works like corner. There's not many good ones.
- [19:52]
J. Mac
Right.
- [19:53]
Greg Cosell
If you run a 4, 3, 5, like the kid at Texas, the corner, he's not fast enough to be a dominant corner, but he's a really good player and he'll. He'll make it in the league. Will Johnson, by the way, is not a burner either. But if you play enough zone, Will Johnson from Michigan is going to be a very good NFL corner, but he's not a burner. He's not going to guard your speed guy. That's not what he is. But he's a typical Harbaugh, tough, smart player. So I. But I always think I can watch corner and go, yeah, that works in the NFL. I also think a lot of times, you know, quarterbacks, obviously very hard, people keep telling me, this is not a great offensive tackle. Draft. I want to talk and I want to ask you. So I watch Kelvin Banks in big games And I'm like, yeah, that's a starting tackle. Is there a position in the NFL, college NFL that you have struggled with? And you just have to watch it in the NFL. Like when I watch Kelvin Banks, I'm like, I think he's, is he close to Joe Alt? But everybody's telling me now there's no great tackles. How do you look at tackle? Because it's a 330 pound man that needs good feet. And is that a position that you've struggled with for years and you're like, I just got to watch it in pros first?
- [21:03]
J. Mac
Well, there's positions where I feel like I have to watch a lot of games because they're hard. And those two positions are corner and safety because you can go through games and depending on how the game plays out, they may not do a lot. So you have to sit and watch games and games and games. And I try to space out how I do corners and safeties because if you watch five or six in a row, Colin, I mean, let's face it, almost every corner you watch, unless he's terrible or unless he's ridiculously special, after a while, they all look kind of the same. They all, oh, yeah, their hips are pretty good, they transition pretty good. You know, they start to look the same. So I space it out. But to get to offensive tackle, I think the litmus test for offensive tackles in the NFL, so you have to think about this when you're watching guys in college is can you pass protect one on one on third down? Because there's not one single offensive coordinator in this league that wants to keep a tight end or a back end on third down. They want to send five out and be as detailed and subtle with their route concepts as they can possibly be. So the litmus test for offensive tackles in the NFL is can they pass protect on third down on third and long? And if you don't feel they can do that, then they're not NFL quality offensive tackles.
- [22:16]
Greg Cosell
Well, you know, let's end with this because Bruce Arian said about Jalen Milroe, he said, when I look at a college quarterback, how is he in the two minute drill and on third down? And he goes, I don't see Jalen Milro being a guy that on a big third down, when everybody in the ballpark knows you're throwing, or a two minute drill when everybody in the football stadium knows you're throwing, he goes, I just don't see that guy doing that. And I listen to Bruce Arians and he's a little mechanical for me. Great kid, but do you look at quarterbacks the same way? As I always say in the NFL, the difference between the haves and have nots is third and eight and big seven. Fangio knows you're throwing the topic.
- [22:56]
J. Mac
Well, yeah, it's the. Yeah, the NFL with quarterbacks are the must have downs, third downs, red zone, you know, two minute end of game, the must have situations. But I will say this, and this is where the game has changed and just not speaking totally about Millero, but the fact is, how many quarterbacks now beat you on third down with their legs? It changes the game, particularly in the red zone. I mean, look at Jalen Hurts. I mean, the game has changed to the point where it's third and eight. You have to defend differently now because the quarterback can run. You know, Bruce Ariansand, he certainly knows more than I Dogod, the guy was doing it for years and years and years, you know. But the bottom line is it's not just now about dropping back and sitting in the pocket. Some guys it is. That's the way Shador Sanders is going to have to beat you. But Jalen Milroe, who's obviously not the refined passer that Sanders is at this moment in time, when it's third and eight, the defense has to play differently because he can take off and run for 20 yards.
- [23:55]
Greg Cosell
Yeah. Okay. Out this week, the tape notebook as we look at some Jaylen Milro, a comprehensive draft guide. The best in the business. Greg Cosell, as always, my friend, it's.
- [24:05]
J. Mac
Good talking, Colin, really enjoyed it. Thanks so much.
- [24:09]
Greg Cosell
Yeah, so, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of fascinating when you. The quarterback position is obviously very hard because, you know, it's a leadership position. I was talking yesterday to a general manager and we were talking about the jets and Aaron Glenn, and it's similar to quarterbacks. He said coaches are CEOs.
- [24:27]
Colin Cowherd
Now.
- [24:27]
Greg Cosell
Sean McVeigh's a CEO. He goes. Now sometimes you get lucky and you get Andy Reid, who's a CEO and a schematic genius. Belichick was that defensively. Shanahan is that. He goes, but you're hiring a CEO. That's what your coach is. You've got coordinators to call plays. You're the CEO. Belichick would have the headset on, not calling plays, not even doing deep. He's doing situational coaching. Right. Okay, big third down. Here's what we're going to do. He's coaching to win the game a lot of times coordinators, position coaches, you know, they're padding resumes.
- [25:02]
Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [25:03]
Greg Cosell
And so when we were, I was talking about him, he said, it's just in college, it's different. You can be calling plays. Lane Kiffin, you're recruiting, you're dominating personnel in the NFL, You're a CEO. Aaron Glenn was not a very good CEO with Aaron Rodgers. He tried to go rogue. He tried to go alpha. He's like, that's up. That's not what a good CEO does. So this person, this executive said, that's just bad CEOing by Aaron Glenn. And that's what a pro coach is. Yeah, occasionally you get McVeigh, who also is good with schematics. Most of them aren't. And it's the same with quarterback, is that it would be great if everybody's great from the pocket. And though Lamar Jackson's always been better from the pocket than anybody acknowledges, the truth is what Greg said is true. You have to defend Lamar differently. You just can't. By the way, good luck playing man to man against Lamar Jackson, because once a defensive back turns, boom, he's off and running. So a guy like Jalen Milroe is going to see more zone than Shador Sanders. Shadur is not going to take off and run. So you can play man to man. Very hard to play man to man with Anthony Richardson or. Or a Jalen Melroe or a quarterback that likes to run. So there Bo Nix. By the way, last year, Bo Nix ran a ton. He not running against the zones. Bo Nicks is running against man. Corners turn their back, boom, he's off and running. So it's all, you know, contextualize all of it. It's fun. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand, whenever you'd like.
- [26:40]
Colin Cowherd
Balancing work, family and education isn't easy, but American Public University makes it possible with online courses, monthly start dates, and flexible schedules. APU is designed for busy professionals who need education that fits their lives. And Affordability matters, too. APU offers the Opportunity Grant, giving students 10% off undergraduate and master's level tuition, helping you reach your goals without breaking a bank. Plus, they provide career services and 24. 7 mental health support at no extra cost. Visit Apu Apus Edu to learn more. That's Apu Apus Edu banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One Bank Guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast too. Oh really?
- [27:44]
Greg Cosell
Thanks.
- [27:44]
Colin Cowherd
Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member FDIC.
- [27:56]
Jordan Schultz
Introducing Instagram Teen accounts. A new way to keep your teen safer as they grow. Like making sure they always have their seatbelt on.
- [28:04]
Greg Cosell
Alright, sweetie pie, buckle up. Good job.
- [28:06]
Jordan Schultz
Or ring the bell on their bike.
- [28:08]
Greg Cosell
Okay kid, give it a try.
- [28:11]
Colin Cowherd
Nice.
- [28:12]
Jordan Schultz
Or remember their elbow pads.
- [28:14]
Greg Cosell
Knees too.
- [28:15]
Colin Cowherd
Okay.
- [28:15]
Greg Cosell
Yep, there you go.
- [28:17]
Jordan Schultz
New Instagram teen accounts. Automatic protections for who can contact your teen and the content they can see.
- [28:25]
Colin Cowherd
The NBA 82 game grind is done and now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here and they're huge. And it's time for the all high stakes drama, clutch moments and jaw dropping plays. If you're looking to make the playoffs Even more exciting, DraftKings sportsbook has you covered. It's the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Try placing a bet on your favorite player's performance. Will he drop 30 points? 40 or more? It's your call. Here's something special for first timers. New DraftKings customers bet just five bucks. Five bucks. That's it. To get $200 in bonus bets instantly make it a playoff run. To remember with DraftKings. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. The code is heard. That's me H E R D and new customers will get 200 bucks in bonus bets. Betting just five bucks. That's it. That's simple. Only on DraftKings. The crown is yours.
- [29:20]
Jordan Schultz
Gambling problem. Call 1-800- gambler in New York. Call 877-8-HOPENY or text hopeny467-369 in Connecticut. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-78-9-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resort in Kansas. 21 plus. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void. In Ontario, new customers only. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNG Co audio.
- [29:55]
Greg Cosell
Yesterday the Athletic or 2 days ago the Athletic. They picked every player in the draft. I. They call it the Beast. I spent so much time the last two days looking at that. I can't be the only person that just loves the NFL draft. I just, I don't know if the architecture of it. The. It's. It's Like Minecraft meets, you know, building forts when you're a kid. I don't know what it is. I just love it. Jordan with the news.
- [30:25]
Dan Morgan
No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
- [30:28]
Greg Cosell
This is the.
- [30:31]
Dan Morgan
All right, Colin. Jim Harbaugh and his staff completely transformed the Chargers from top to bottom.
- [30:38]
Greg Cosell
Yes.
- [30:39]
Dan Morgan
Making the playoffs in his first season as the coach. Now, as Los Angeles prepares for its second second draft, Bolts GM Joe Ortiz feels like the team is in a good place. He let the board come to you.
- [30:53]
Greg Cosell
You know, you don't feel the pressure, so to speak, that we got to address this player.
- [31:00]
Dan Morgan
You know, we have to take this, this position. I, we. I just don't feel that way because.
- [31:05]
Greg Cosell
Of the way we have spread ourselves.
- [31:07]
Dan Morgan
Out in free agency and adding to the roster and really completing the roster. So that's a very Ravens esque philosophy of the draft and, and that's where obviously he comes from. Do Ortiz. That's the pipeline we talked about earlier. If Colson loveland is there, a 22, that's the pick. Tight end feels to me like the next chess piece for Jim Harbaugh.
- [31:27]
Greg Cosell
Yeah, I mean, they need, and they need more consistency at wide receiver, but if you elevate at tight end and running back, and those are two position groups, the Chargers need another tight end, back and receiver. So if you elevate at running back and tight end, you may not need a number one receiver. They just need another receiver in house. But I think Loveland is viewed as the play. Keep your eye on the North Carolina running back. Keep your eye on him if he falls because I think Dallas may nab him. That is a classic. A little J.K. dobbins where like run over you run past you. I, I don't, I don't know if hardball would move up in the draft, but Hampton is a really, really good player.
- [32:11]
Dan Morgan
The Hampton comp I've gotten from teams. A faster, more explosive Joe Mixon. You talked about kind of an Adrian Peterson type power, but also speed. You can imagine him in that system. Also Mecca Buka. I mean, Harbaugh saw him in the Big Ten. Terrific receiver. He might. He probably will be there at 22. I think any of those guys, they need more weapons and you can address it at 22 and feel very good about it. We lost this story. Colorado football made the decision to retire Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter's jerseys after they started for the Buffalo. For the last two years, people have not been happy about it, including our own Joe Platt. Klatt told Colorado AD Rick George, he disagreed with retiring the Georgie, the jerseys. And George responded, quote, they changed the trajectory of our program. They saved our program in a lot of ways. Colin, this to me is a no brainer. They were 1 in 11, the Buffaloes were. When Shador Sanders came in along with Travis Hunter. One in 11. They won nine games. Last year he broke over 100 school records at Colorado. Not only that, top 15 all time in D1 history with 14,000 yards. And most importantly last year, Big 12 Offensive Player of the year. The only issue here is that most of the time you get your retired jersey, you can probably rent a car. He can't do that yet.
- [33:36]
Greg Cosell
Yeah, I mean, I think Colorado football was dead. It was a dead program. Financially, it was dead. It was not discussed. Nobody really wanted it. No conference wanted it. So I don't have a problem with it. I mean, Colorado football, those games now are fun. It's packed. I mean, Boulder on a Saturday now is cool. So, I mean, I don't have a problem with it. I watch all Colorado games when they play good teams and it's got a vibe now. It was a dead program. It is now a vibe. It's not as good as Clemson. You don't have to be. There's a lot to do in Boulder, okay? You just got to be worth going and hanging out for three hours and getting on television. So. So I don't have a problem. The two best players among the two best players I've ever had, Rashaun Salaam. Those two got him on TV, got him into the Big 12.
- [34:23]
Dan Morgan
You know, it's that whole Netville thing. And it's so natural to say that about Shador, but he really was worth the price of admission. And along with Travis and along with prime, they changed the program. Speaking of program changers, potentially, Jalen Milroe accepted an invite to attend next week's draft, leading many to think Melrose is going to be a first round pick. Now, Cleveland GM Andrew Berry sees a special athlete in Milro saying that the quarterback had, quote, rare physical talent, adding that when Milroe gets to the league, he may be the only quarterback faster than Lamar Jackson. Colin, I'm going to take you into the mind of an AFC east scout. He told me about Jalen Milroe. Super strong arm, good touch on his default. Interviewed well, high ceiling. Now you just said something that was really shrewd. You said that Milroe, Lamar Jackson, it's very hard to play man coverage against these types of quarterbacks because when they, when a DB turns his back, they can take off and run. What did Milroe do better than most quarterbacks last year? He killed zone coverage. All of that tells me that even if he's not ready to start day one, he can be an impactful starting quarterback at the next level.
- [35:32]
Greg Cosell
Well, the NFL now, I mean 90% of coverage feels like zone. Yeah. So he is somebody that you know. Steve Keim represents him at Clutch Sports and I, and I asked Steve about him and he said all the intangibles off the charts. Is he ready to start today? No, he needs, he needs some refinement. He doesn't have certain traits right now ready to start. But he is so gifted. And I'll say this, I didn't love him always throwing the ball over the middle of the field, but he has a really nice touch deep down he does like Kyle McCord. I trust from 18 yards in, I don't trust him deep. Milroy almost trusts more down the field. So. And he's just such a good kid. Good family, hard worker, legendary work ethic. To me feels like a probably a second round pick, but he to a team that doesn't need him to start. For a year and a half to.
- [36:26]
Dan Morgan
Two years he's had private workouts with the Browns and Saints. I was told both were very impressive. And on top of that, Tommy Reese, who's now the Cleveland OC was Milroe's OC at Bama two years ago. So to bookend it with Andrew Berry, maybe they take Travis Hunter, maybe they get Milroe in the second round. That could make a lot of sense. Jazz Chisholm was furious after this horrible call. Look at this horrible called third strike in yesterday's game. Now you can see here Chisum letting the umpire know exactly how he feels about the call. He was ejected and then he later tweeted not even close. So I'm not going to say, oh, umpires stink. This is bad. What I'm going to tell you, look at this. And he should be mad. Love Aaron Boone trying to play good cop here. But what I'm going to tell you is we've gone so much to umpires and called strikes and all of the, all of the replay. If you go into robot umpires which are now experimenting in.
- [37:24]
Greg Cosell
Yeah.
- [37:24]
Dan Morgan
In Triple A. And you will take all of this out of the game. And I'm not saying we need to have the George Brett run out of the field, but what happened yesterday with dad Chishol to me that's good for baseball.
- [37:35]
Greg Cosell
Yeah. And and they, they're testing this thing and it works really quickly because the concern is like, okay, we're gonna sit here for 45 seconds. No, but it's fast. It's really fast. So it's eight seconds. So it's happening. Yeah, they're gonna, it's gonna happen. I mean, almost every rule, baseball has changed. You gotta be fair when you do this for a living. They've hit a home run on almost everything. The pitch clock great. A defensive shift out, bases bigger. Almost all of its work except for.
- [38:04]
Dan Morgan
The quitting a guy in second and extra innings.
- [38:07]
Greg Cosell
Well, they do that in the regular season because on a Wednesday they don't want a game going 17 innings. They're not going to do that in the World Series. So I think baseball, and I know we think it's old and stodgy and parochial. They've made. Rob Manfred has made six or seven moves over the last three years. They have all been good for the game. If baseball is so much more, can I watch more baseball now than five years ago? Five times more. The game. If you get good pitching, the games fly by. You can watch 40 minutes and get three innings. The games fly by. If you have good pitching.
- [38:40]
Dan Morgan
So. But don't you feel like jazz chisholm erupting at an umpire?
- [38:44]
Greg Cosell
Well, no, I think it's. I think it's. I think these games. Sports means more now than it's ever. The NFL this year said you no longer have to. Networks no longer have to air every team at least once. Even the NFL.
- [38:58]
Dan Morgan
Smart.
- [38:59]
Greg Cosell
Yeah, even the NFL acknowledging the bottom line is this business is so big now. Let's not, let's not pretend every team matters. Just put the Eagles on and the Lions on, the packers on. So I think let this, this sport is worth too much money. Let's not mess around. If we have technology, let's just use it.
- [39:19]
Dan Morgan
I, I just love seeing an umpire get lit up. And if you get the robot umps, you lose it.
- [39:25]
Greg Cosell
Jordan with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lies the disagreement from the staff. The top 10 players in the playoffs. I have LeBron much lower. It's nothing against it, but there's so many great players by number two to about number eight. It feels like they're all the same. Who are the 10 best players in the playoffs next? The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartrade radio app. Hey, Steve. Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcasts. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
- [40:54]
Colin Cowherd
American Public University is the number one provider of education to our military and veterans in this country. They offer something truly unique. Special rates and grants for the entire family, making education affordable not just for those who serve, but also for their loved ones. If you have a military or veteran family member and are looking for affordable, high quality education, APU is the place for you. Visit Apu APIs Edu Military to learn more. That's APU Apus Edumilitary Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast too. Oh, really?
- [41:52]
Greg Cosell
Thanks.
- [41:52]
Colin Cowherd
Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member FDIC introducing Instagram Teen accounts.
- [42:04]
Jordan Schultz
A new way to keep your teen safer as they grow. Like making sure they always have their seatbelt on.
- [42:09]
Greg Cosell
All right, buckle up. Good job.
- [42:11]
Jordan Schultz
New Instagram teen accounts. Automatic protections for who can contact your teen and the content they can see.
- [42:19]
Dan Morgan
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
- [42:23]
Greg Cosell
It's going good, man.
- [42:25]
Dan Morgan
Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. Why do you guys think you win so many cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients. Are insurance companies like actually afraid of you guys? We don't bluff. We take it to trial. And we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts. Awesome.
- [42:55]
Greg Cosell
So how does someone get in contact.
- [42:57]
Dan Morgan
With Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24 7.
- [43:09]
Greg Cosell
Wow.
- [43:09]
Dan Morgan
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's large injury law firm.
- [43:13]
Greg Cosell
Thanks for coming by the show.
- [43:14]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit for the people.com for an office near you. This Easter, the UFL takes over spring's biggest weekend with the Fox football extravaganza. First tonight at 8 Eastern Memphis takes on Michigan. Then tomorrow night at 7, Birmingham battles Houston. And Sunday at 5, it's San Antonio versus D.C. all this weekend on Fox.
- [43:35]
Greg Cosell
So we got some really interesting first round playoff NBA series because like, like I think Houston's gonna upset Golden State. Golden State's got a Jonathan Kaminga issue. We, it's, I think it's gonna be wide open outside. You know, Oklahoma City's not playing Boston. They get the buys. Other than that, it's, I mean, I don't think Detroit's gonna beat New York, but I think they're gonna make the Knicks sweat for it. So who are the 10 best players in the playoffs to keep your eye on? Number one's an easy one. Nikola Jokic. But listen to this. The Nuggets were plus 4, 594 when he was on the floor this year and minus 275 when he wasn't an 800 point swing. I mean he's just after Kareem. He's the best center I've ever seen. His dexterity is incredible. He's the best player. I'm going to give you Giannis, the number two player defensively much better than Jokic. I worry about him shooting free throws late, 61% on the year, so he's got a little Shaq liability late in games. But one of the more dominant athletes in the NBA, I think he Played his best late in the year. Giannis is two sga. Number three, very good defender with an insane wingspan for a point guard. Led the NBA in scoring. I'm not sure he's going to get the whistle, but he's just a. He's just a bucket. I mean, that's just all there is to it. He is just a bucket again. Plays real defense and that's why I put him three and I put Luka at four who tends to get worn out in the playoffs and is a defensive liability. But passing and shooting and scoring, he can just take over games. There will be stretches in this playoff where he looks like the best player in the world and I can't wait to watch it because he doesn't have to carry the offense, but he's the most gifted player on offense and this is going to be a real statement series for him because he came to the Lakers off an injury, wasn't in great shape. I can't wait to watch it. Number five, Steph Curry. Best player in the game without the ball. Great free throw shooter, great three point shooter, ball handler. He is the culture and playoff. Jimmy's going to take a little pressure off him now. It's a tough matchup against the Rockets. Amand Thompson's their best athlete and this is going to be a work, a working series for him. But I think he's number five. Jayson Tatum, who does everything very well, although not necessarily everything great, but he's very good at everything, is sick. This is not a knock on him. It's just, you know, he doesn't have a lot of iconic moments or moves and there are moments that Jaylen Brown feels like he's going to take the big shot. Jayson Tatum though, leads the Celtics and the stuff that matters, points, rebounds, assists. All through last year's run, he's number six. Number seven is Ant, who I just don't think is as refined as Jayson Tatum is as a player. Yet he led the NBA in made threes this year, so that's a real thing. He's going to have to score 40 plus in multiple games for the T Wolves to beat the Lakers. He was. It's a very hot team. Entering the playoffs, he doesn't have a lot of help on offense. I don't trust Julius Randle in the playoffs, although I like Julius Randle as a player. So I would put ant 7 and this just really indicates how good the playoffs are now. You think I'm crazy putting LeBron 8, but I don't get a consistent defensive effort from LeBron. And I also think there are going to be moments in these playoffs where LeBron's going to let Luka take over. So LeBron is the best closer in the NBA. And what do I mean by that? He led the league in shots made in the fourth quarter. LeBron also right now is often the first or second best player in the league in spurts. He's very smart and calculated. He will save himself for later in games. But SGA and Jokic could. Could end the game in the second quarter. That's not really what LeBron is right now. I put him eight. Number nine, Kawhi Leonard. Again, do you get six or seven games per series? I don't know, but he's playing great late in the season. Real minutes. I mean, five, six years ago, I mean, we were like, he's a less dynamic Jordan. I mean, he's a get a bucket. Huge hands, really good defender, incredibly strong for his weight. KAWHI Leonard, number nine. Number 10, Donovan Mitchell, former Utah Jazz, led the team. Best offense in the league. Very efficient. He just a real pro. He's just gotten better and better. But his team's never advanced past the second round. Cleveland's a team that doesn't get a lot of love during the regular season, but they feel like a more adult Oklahoma City, where there are like, what Oklahoma City is going to be next year in the playoffs. So Cleveland, we've been waiting for them. Oh, last two years we've been like, oh. And they just. The NBA is a baby steps league and they. Cleveland just wasn't ready. I think Cleveland's now ready and I think they could beat the Celtics. They're built to beat the Celtics. They're a tough matchup for the Celtics, but I think Boston's better than we're giving them credit for. So Those are my 10 best players. Now, I know what you're going to say. Well, Jayson Tatum, 6. Because the five guys ahead of Jayson Tatum, if I said to you I need a bucket now, I would trust. I would trust the five guys ahead to get a bucket. Now. I think Tatum has got great dexterity and does everything well, but there are times in big spots where I'm not quite sure I want him or Jaylen Brown shooting. But now Tatum's had his best year. I know this will be viewed as a. As a shot, but everybody loves Ann Edwards and I think Jason's a more complete player than Anne Edwards right now.
- [49:21]
Dan Morgan
Two things that jump out if Kawhi is right and he's healthy. He could easily be two or three and so if we believe that he's going to have a healthy playoff run, considering he's probably been the best player in the league the last six weeks.
- [49:34]
Greg Cosell
Well, he also is like a Jimmy Butler. Kawhi usually plays better in the playoffs.
- [49:38]
Dan Morgan
Yeah.
- [49:39]
Greg Cosell
So he's. There's no question. Now I have like Jimmy Butler just missing the list.
- [49:44]
Dan Morgan
Yeah. But I just. The Clippers are the wild card team. Everyone I think is scared of what they could be. The other thing, and I mentioned this the other day, you have Mitchell there at 10. I went and saw Knicks Cavs the other day and it was, it was unbelievable to me to see how connected Cleveland was. They have such a great feel to them. They're so incredibly deep.
- [50:03]
Greg Cosell
Yeah.
- [50:04]
Dan Morgan
I don't know if they're quite there but, but they're dangerous. And I, I certainly that the Mobley and Allen in the front court and then the guards, Garland and Mitchell. That is lethal.
- [50:14]
Greg Cosell
Yeah. No, they're. They're really well run. They've done a really good job. So it is. Listen, it's top heavy Celtics, OKC and Cleveland feel better than everybody else. I think the Lakers are the best of the next group, but I mean Oklahoma City's good but really young. Cleveland and Boston I think are the two best teams built for the playoff. OKC was the best regular season team. Cleveland, Boston, I think are built for the best playoff run size. They can both defend you coaching. Yeah, they can both defend you at the rim, on the wing, at the point. They just, they offer a lot of stuff. I'm excited for it. We got a. I mean, Indiana, Milwaukee.
- [50:51]
Colin Cowherd
Balancing work, family and education isn't easy, but American Public University makes it possible with online courses, monthly start dates and flexible schedules. APU is designed for busy professionals who need education that fits their lives. And Affordability matters too. APU offers the opportunity grant, giving students 10% off undergraduate and master's level tuition, helping you reach your goals without breaking the bank. Plus, they provide career services and 24. 7 mental health support at no extra cost. Visit Apu Apus Edu to learn more. That's Apu Apus Edu looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a paychecks company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset. Your people. Are you ready to become a Better Leader. Visit paycor.comleaders to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders spring is here and.
- [52:13]
Greg Cosell
You can now get almost anything you.
- [52:14]
Dan Morgan
Need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats.
- [52:17]
Greg Cosell
What do we mean by almost?
- [52:18]
J. Mac
Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parmesan delivered.
- [52:22]
Dan Morgan
A cabana? That's a no.
- [52:23]
J. Mac
But a banana? That's a yes. A nice tan?
- [52:26]
Greg Cosell
Sorry, nope.
- [52:27]
J. Mac
But a box fan?
- [52:28]
Dan Morgan
Happily, yes.
- [52:29]
J. Mac
A day of sunshine? No. A box of fine wines?
- [52:32]
Greg Cosell
Yes.
- [52:32]
Dan Morgan
Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by Regency app.
- [52:41]
Greg Cosell
For details Hi everybody.
- [52:43]
Colin Cowherd
This message is brought to you by the official Whiskey of the Herd with Colin Coward podcast Green River Whiskey. As you know, we've been having some fun getting to know Green River Whiskey, and we just lear. They've launched their first advertising campaign in more than 100 years. You see, it seems the team from Green river in reviving the whiskey have accidentally also revived its resident ghost. So if you want to see the ghost of Green river come to life, check out at GreenRiver Whiskey on their YouTube channel or head on over to greenriverwhiskey.com here's to Green River Whiskey. Raise your spirits. Product of Green River Distilling Company, Owensboro, Kentucky. Alcohol by volume varies by product. Greenriverwhiskey.com Please drink responsibly.