Hour 2 - Travis Kelce's future

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd: Hour 2 - Travis Kelce's Future
Release Date: February 21, 2025
Host/Authors: Steve Covino, Rich Davis, Dallas Goddard
Platform: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. Travis Kelce’s Future with the Kansas City Chiefs

The primary focus of this episode revolves around the future of Kansas City Chiefs' star tight end, Travis Kelce. Hosts Steve Covino and Rich Davis delve deep into the speculation surrounding Kelce's potential departure from the team and the multifaceted implications of such a move.

Financial Implications:
Steve Covino outlines the financial aspects, highlighting that the Chiefs could save approximately $17 million in salary cap space by releasing Kelce, at a minimal cost of $2.5 million in dead cap space.

"It would cost them $2.5 million to cut Travis Kelce. However, it would save them $17 million in salary."
[18:31] — Steve Covino

Impact of Kelce’s Relationship with Taylor Swift:
A significant portion of the discussion centers on Kelce’s high-profile relationship with pop superstar Taylor Swift. The hosts examine how this relationship has inadvertently boosted the Chiefs' revenue and expanded their fan base, particularly attracting "Swifties" to the team.

"Travis Kelce by dating Taylor Swift have created generational fans."
[20:15] — Steve Covino

Rich Davis adds, emphasizing the long-term benefits of retaining Kelce beyond just his on-field performance:

"If he retires a chief, you got to factor in that every young girl and this sounds silly guys, but this is the truth. Every young girl who was impacted by them dating that are now considered Chiefs."
[19:44] — Rich Davis

Fan and Revenue Considerations:
The conversation underscores the delicate balance teams must maintain between financial prudence and maintaining a strong, engaged fan base. The hosts debate whether the immediate financial savings outweigh the potential long-term revenue from Kelce’s increased visibility due to his relationship with Swift.

"What are they more interested in their cap space and winning or keeping hundreds of millions of dollars of Swifty revenue as part of their team."
[19:29] — Steve Covino

2. The Rise of Hockey’s Four Nations Tournament

Shifting gears, the hosts commend the NHL's innovative Four Nations Tournament, which has significantly boosted hockey's popularity, even among those who rarely watch the sport.

Enhanced Competitiveness and Sportsmanship:
Rich Davis praises the tournament for its competitive spirit and the pride players showcased for their countries, likening it to an Olympic atmosphere.

"It felt like an Olympic type of atmosphere last night. And that's sort of what we got on a random Thursday."
[14:01] — Rich Davis

Comparison with Other Sports:
Steve Covino draws parallels between the NHL’s approach and the NBA’s All-Star Weekend, suggesting that incorporating national pride and genuine rivalries can elevate a sport's appeal.

"Country pride always is going to bring out another layer."
[07:14] — Steve Covino

Quotes Highlighting Hockey’s Appeal:
The hosts share their newfound appreciation for hockey, citing memorable performances and the overall excitement of the tournament.

"I totally felt sucked in, where I'm like, oh, my God, do I like hockey? No, impossible. This just feels big."
[14:34] — Steve Covino

3. The Emotional Toll of Player Trades and Releases

A recurring theme throughout the episode is the emotional impact of player trades and releases on fans. The hosts reminisce about past instances where beloved players left their teams, evoking strong emotional responses.

Personal Anecdotes and Listener Feedback:
Rich Davis and Steve Covino share stories of how trades like Nevin Smith’s departure from the Chiefs or Kevin Garnett leaving the Celtics have deeply affected them personally and culturally within their fan communities.

"If you're telling a grown man to take a pay cut. It sounds easier when you say it."
[30:13] — Steve Covino

Generational Impact:
The discussion highlights how certain players become integral to a team's identity, creating lifelong fans who feel a profound sense of loss when their favorite players depart.

"When you are a hockey guy. I'm a hockey guy."
[12:56] — Rich Davis

Quotes on Fan Loyalty:
The hosts emphasize the importance of player loyalty and the lasting impressions players leave on fans, which go beyond mere statistics or on-field contributions.

"It's kind of hard for me. There's so many moments, but one that does come to mind, like, we have sort of, like, our standard answers."
[46:58] — Rich Davis

4. Other Sports Highlights and Critiques

Beyond the central discussion on Kelce and hockey, the episode touches upon other significant sports topics, including Aaron Rodgers' potential move following his release from the Jets and critiques of LeBron James' recent performances.

Aaron Rodgers’ NFL Journey:
Dallas Goddard provides insights into Aaron Rodgers' considerations for his next move, emphasizing his desire to play for a competitive team in a favorable location.

"He also said he's considering the potential squad put around him and he wouldn't mind warm weather."
[35:16] — Madison Goddard

LeBron James and Sports Media Criticism:
The hosts discuss the recent backlash LeBron James faced from sports media after a couple of missed shots, juxtaposing it with his overall stellar performance and work ethic.

"What's going to say? Well, yeah, he's, he's 40, doing what a 24 year old does. Come on, the guy's insane."
[36:53] — Steve Covino

5. Listener Engagement and Interactive Segments

Throughout the episode, Covino and Rich engage with their audience by reading listener feedback and anecdotes, fostering a sense of community and shared passion for sports.

Interactive Questions:
The hosts pose thought-provoking questions to their listeners, such as reflecting on the most heart-wrenching player departures they've experienced, enhancing listener relatability and participation.

"The player that hurt you the most when your team cut ties, whether they released them, cut them, traded him."
[30:27] — Steve Covino

Humorous Banter:
Interspersed with serious discussions, the hosts maintain a lighthearted atmosphere through humorous exchanges and personal stories, making the content both informative and entertaining.

"I'm a Chiefs fan for the rest of their life. If he retires a chief, if they're buying a jersey or going to a game or showing interest in any team, it's going to be the Chiefs."
[19:54] — Rich Davis

6. Concluding Thoughts on Team Culture and Future Moves

In wrapping up, the hosts reflect on the broader implications of team decisions on culture and long-term success. They advocate for strategic moves that prioritize both financial health and fan engagement to sustain team legacy.

"Sometimes you got to cut the head of the snake. Culture of the team."
[25:04] — Rich Davis

"If you're paying attention to whenever Jimmy Butler and the warriors play against his former Heat teammates."
[13:00] — Dallas Goddard

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "It would cost them $2.5 million to cut Travis Kelce. However, it would save them $17 million in salary."
  [18:31] — Steve Covino

• "So country pride always is going to bring out another layer."
  [07:14] — Steve Covino

• "I totally felt sucked in, where I'm like, oh, my God, do I like hockey? No, impossible. This just feels big."
  [14:34] — Steve Covino

• "He's playing on the second night of a back to back at 40 after 22 years with every freaking record and every accolade. It's like he's just amazing to coach."
  [36:16] — Dallas Goddard

• "When you are a hockey guy. I'm a hockey guy."
  [12:56] — Rich Davis

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This episode of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" provides an in-depth analysis of Travis Kelce's potential departure from the Kansas City Chiefs, exploring the financial, cultural, and fan-base implications of such a move. Additionally, the hosts celebrate hockey's rise in popularity through the Four Nations Tournament and reflect on the emotional impact of player trades and releases across various sports. Through engaging dialogue, personal anecdotes, and listener interactions, Covino and Davis create a compelling narrative that resonates with both avid and casual sports fans.

Transcript

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[Steve Covino]

Now, let's get this party started.

[Dallas Goddard]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, shout outs to our dude Colin, who it was fun to hang him. Hang with him in New Orleans at his volume party.

[Rich Davis]

Great to see him. Actually, I posted a picture from that event in our IG story at Covino and Rich. If you want to play along at home.

[Steve Covino]

You mean the one that John Middlekop took with the worst lighting ever?

[Dallas Goddard]

You guys look so good in that pic.

[Rich Davis]

Middle Cough is a great dude. It was great talking to him. He's a great host, but he's a terrible photographer.

[Steve Covino]

True.

[Rich Davis]

Then again, we were boozing and schmoozing at the Super Bowl. But again, everything at Covino and Rich on social media, CNR on FSR. And for Colin on the herd, the number 8, 7, 7 for the herd. We're live from Jersey. And again, shout out to Everybody on the iHeartRadio app. Checking out our podcast search Covino and Rich, wherever you stream your podcast. We're on 5 to 7 on the east normally, but always a pleasure to be here. Also, shout out to Ross who drove us home from our Philly event with Dallas Goddard yesterday. Yeah, from iheart. Ross drove us from Philly all the way to Jersey, which is great. So shout out to him. He's listening. And everybody hanging out with us today, we appreciate you.

[Steve Covino]

This guy Ross was the nicest guy. Danny G. We got to tell you the story, Danny, because we hang with you every day. We're doing the event with Dallas Goddard all day. A lot of fun.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah, nice outfit you had on in your Instagram story yesterday.

[Steve Covino]

We had to wear the most ridiculous tracksuits. It was a sales event with Dallas and Ross, who works for Iheart, is like, yeah, where you guys headed? We were going to take an Amtrak or an Uber or something from Philly back to Jersey and he said, well, I'm headed in that direction. And we took him up on it.

[Rich Davis]

Well, God bless him too, because he had to listen to Rich for three hours on the way home.

[Steve Covino]

So we got stuck behind an Accident. This poor dude signed up for driving Covino and Rich back to New Jersey.

[Rich Davis]

Got Rich his whole life story. So he deserves a shout out.

[Steve Covino]

Shout out to Ross who works on the marketing team at iHeart in New York. He's a good dude.

[Rich Davis]

Again, I'm Steve Covino. That is Rich Davis. Danny G is back at the LA Studios at 8774-The Hertz Super Produce and getting ready for quote me our new game giving away prizes. So stick around for that. And of course, big sexy Ryan on the ones and twos. But I want to continue talking about what made the four nations tournament so great, so intriguing. Pulled us all in yesterday. We have to make it very clear that we rarely watch hockey. And man, we were tuned in. We felt the excitement. We realized it felt big. We realized that pride was on the line and we saw some really great sportsmanship, some really great gameplay. And I don't think anyone said it better than PK Sub on last night. Rich.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, take a listen to this guy giving it to Stephen A. I'm sick and tired of making athletes greats, all time greats that aren't the best examples. Stephen A. You want athletes to be educated on this and understand this. They gotta understand the importance of showing up to the all Star game and being on the court. Because you're making 100, 200, 300 million, you should be out there banged up. You should be. That's why we pay you, is to max out. I don't care if you play 50 years, I want your best 10. I want you on the court dominating. I want you to go all out. I want Michael Jordan, I want Kobe. That's what I want in every sport. That's the guy that I follow. You're a different version than that. You don't get my respect.

[Rich Davis]

I think that's why it resonated so hard last night though, Rich. Because it's the casual fans, right? The casual fans are easily turned off by that type of attitude, whether it's warranted or not. That's the vibe we get from a lot of pampered athletes. You didn't get that vibe last night from these hockey players. They were putting it all out there for the fans, for their teammates, for their country, for the pride. And that hit us. And we're watching. You could see we have eyes like, yo, man, this is cool to watch.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. Even Stephen A. Was like, I can't argue that.

[Rich Davis]

I can't debate that.

[Steve Covino]

I wrote down three reasons why I think last night resonated. And you just touched on one of them, anytime you involve country pride, that's what the Olympics are based on. Right. So you talk about country pride. You see it in the world baseball class.

[Rich Davis]

It's almost an unfair comparison to compare that to the NBA All Star Game then. But you got to give hockey credit for saying, well, this is what we're going to do. Right. That it was a great move.

[Steve Covino]

Well, the NBA has toyed with, like I said, the one on $1 million tournament. They have also toyed with, like the US superstars versus the international superstars. Maybe there's something there. So country pride always is going to bring out another layer.

[Rich Davis]

Right.

[Steve Covino]

I'll be honest. Polarizing or not, the fact that Donald Trump was involved in. I'm going to motivate Team usa.

[Rich Davis]

It created a buzz for sure. It just brought more attention to what was going on because that became a story in itself.

[Steve Covino]

And you can't say that the fighting layer doesn't appeal to us, that we knew that the previous matchup a week ago, there were three fights in the first, like nine seconds. So when you know that, ooh, this bad blood.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

And which is. Yeah, which is that you know what it is? It's a fighter's responsibility. If you watch UFC or boxing, it's a fighter and a promoter's responsibility to get you hyped up about the fight. And the easiest way to do that is to create animosity and bad blood.

[Rich Davis]

So hold up.

[Steve Covino]

Hey.

[Rich Davis]

But again, what we criticize sometimes the NBA for is rivalry. It's rivalry. What you're really getting at the heart of it here is rivalry. Right. We, we really bought into the rivalry here. Like, ooh, they don't like each other. That gets you tuned in. Would you rather watch a boxing match of, of two people that respected each other and liked each other or people that hated each other or, you know, it could, it could get nasty. That, that builds intrigue. And when we see what, what happens.

[Steve Covino]

In the NBA, you can see that's.

[Rich Davis]

Great sportsmanship or whatever. And not just the NBA. There's. I'm not, I don't want to be like, I'm hating on the NBA. But a lot of sports today is when players are too buddy. Chummy with the opposing team. It takes away that rivalry that we as fans want to see sometimes.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. So if you add all those things up, country pride fighting and President Trump and they were boos and cheers and jeers for the, the US Anthem. Oh, Canada. So there was a lot of layers and I think a big night for Hockey. So you got to give credit where credit's due. I'm not saying I'm going to start watching a random Avalanche game on a Tuesday, you know, or like, it's not like I'm getting the NHL package when I get home, but still.

[Rich Davis]

Also, though, on a big stage, when the stars step up, you know, and you see Connor McDavid come through, like, they're like, oh, that's why he's a big name. That's cool to see, right? Like, you want to see those stars deliver when you tune in again, we rarely watch hockey, but I think they won me over last night. I think, you know, they won a lot of people over. That's the sentiment here.

[Steve Covino]

And you know what it you could tie it into. Like I said before, what gave the WNBA buzz in the last year and a half?

[Rich Davis]

Rivalry.

[Steve Covino]

A great young star and rivalry.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

And maybe that rivalry, like, you know, what made the NBA take off to new Heights in the 80s? Magic vs. Birds. Celtics, Lakers, the owners, the organization, the stars.

[Rich Davis]

So the stars playing with fire.

[Steve Covino]

You know, I mean, think about baseball in the 90s. Yankees, Red Sox. There's a reason why sports have their peaks and valleys. Peyton Manning versus Tom Brady. That battle in the AFC for a good decade, you need competition, you need rivalries, you need this stuff. And I think right now the NBA has some great aging superstars. Steph, LeBron, Kyrie, Draymond. These are. These are all guys that. They're sort of all pals. They played with you, with each other.

[Rich Davis]

They haven't.

[Steve Covino]

Can you tell me one rivalry? Danny, you watch the NBA more than all of us. Can you tell me right now, one heated rivalry in the NBA where it's like, ooh, they're playing the Tuesday night on tnt. I got to watch.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah, I wouldn't say heated comes to mind for any of the rivalries right now in the NBA. But what I'll say about all the criticism for their all star weekend, there was defense played finally. That's been the rub for a long time. Now, those high scores, what were the final scores? Like 210 to. To 2. Yeah. To 202.

[Steve Covino]

The over under on those games were like 450.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah, exactly. And now this format was more competitive. The big complaint and from a lot of the players, including Trey Young, if you remember, was that those 20 minute breaks were what kind of threw this out of sync. So I think they're on the right track in the NBA, but there's still some tweaking that needs to be done.

[Rich Davis]

Okay, so Again, the question that we posed to everybody, hanging out and just chilling 8, 7, 7, 4, the herd is, did hockey win last night? Did it win you over? And if you're already a fan, what was it that made it feel so big to you? And how did you feel about everything you saw last night? And congrats again to Canada, man, that was awesome.

[Steve Covino]

Not to hammer home the same point because we'll move on, but the competition, the competitive, you know, countries, rivalries. What was the first thing everyone was saying when the Luca Anthony Davis trade went down? Oh, you know, it would be awesome in the playoffs if Dallas and the Lakers got matched up. Because that's our initial instinct, is we want to see the drama, the rivalries, the.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, but as PK Subhan said, yeah, we want to see that, but it's also on there and to deliver. Yeah, that sort of competitiveness, it's. It's on them to say, I'm playing hurt. No doubt, giving you my 100%. That's why they're getting paid that much money.

[Steve Covino]

But no doubt if the Lakers and Mavericks somehow lined up to play the Western Conference semis or even the finals, you know, depending on how the bracket works out, that would by far, mark my words, it would be by far the biggest ratings. If AD Is healthy, Luke is healthy.

[Rich Davis]

I'm going to Mark Messi. I hear words now.

[Steve Covino]

You're a hockey guy. I'm a hockey guy.

[Dallas Goddard]

Rich, also with that line of thinking we're paying attention to whenever Jimmy Butler and the warriors play against his former Heat teammates.

[Steve Covino]

It's. It's why every time a guy goes back to a team that did him dirty or traded him or he left, what do they do? It's always a homecoming of fans want to watch because it's a nice thing or like, oh, that a hole's back.

[Rich Davis]

Boo.

[Steve Covino]

Like, why we. We can't forget why we love these things. Right?

[Rich Davis]

Your thoughts, Fox Sports Radio Nation. Do we all agree on this? Have to 8, 7, 7 for the herd. I thought, you know, for a random Thursday night, I'm like, what am I watching? This feels like two worlds collide, rival nations. It felt like an Olympic type of atmosphere last night. And that's sort of what we got on a random Thursday. Props again to hockey. They did it right. They innovated, it worked out. Props again to the Four nations tournament. And the Four nations title in overtime goes to Canada.

[Steve Covino]

By the way, oddly enough, until last night, Cavino's favorite hockey player, Happy Gilmore.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah, Cavino and Rich are Canadians Now, I was watching NBA last night.

[Rich Davis]

Seriously, Danny, did you not tune in?

[Dallas Goddard]

No, I saw highlights, but I was watching NBA last night.

[Rich Davis]

It felt like a big, big deal.

[Dallas Goddard]

You know, you guys are prisoners of the moment right now with hockey.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, it's possible. That's why. That's why I like to hear everyone's opinion, because I. I totally felt sucked in, where I'm like, oh, my God, do I like hockey? No, impossible. This just feels big.

[Rich Davis]

Dude, we were in Jersey, right? Eating pizza, watching hockey. Like, oh, man. Enjoying every second of it.

[Dallas Goddard]

Yeah, the same guys who. Last week on the Dan Patrick show, when we were filling in, you guys put competitive eating over hockey as a major sport.

[Rich Davis]

That's right. That's right.

[Steve Covino]

But it all changed that. Hold on, hold on now. We did have Joey Chestnut on the show. Do I take back what I said? I still think hot dog eating is above hockey, but that could change.

[Rich Davis]

Danny G. Really hit the nail on that, because the question really is, are we all not just Kavino and Rich? Are we all just prisoners of the moment because we saw something really great last night? Are we prisoners of the moment? Or did it really deliver to the point where, hey, I think I'm a fan there.

[Steve Covino]

What I don't want to do.

[Rich Davis]

I'll tune in a little more now.

[Steve Covino]

You know what I don't want to do, though, Kov? I don't want to be the guy I hate. And you know who that guy is? It's the guy that every four years, breaks out his vuvuzela, and he's like, yeah, soccer. And you're like, shut up. Shut up. World cup guy. Put away your horn. And I get it. You like hockey. I mean, I'm sorry. You like soccer. I don't want to be that guy.

[Rich Davis]

With hockey, we're not that. That guy's usually the same guy that likes the Olympics and the Olympics only, right?

[Steve Covino]

But I will say a great night. The mother effing end.

[Rich Davis]

Here we go. Win for Canada. Win for hockey.

[Steve Covino]

All right, now, I have an interesting question to pose based on something I read this morning. Now, I'm not saying this is likely, but there are articles on legitimate nude sources.

[Rich Davis]

Did you say nude sources? Because that's probably more accurate. If Rich was reading something, it's probably from a nude source.

[Steve Covino]

I'm sorry. Not sure what happened there. News source. I should get rid of my nude sources. I'm sorry. There are news sources saying that likely won't happen, but there are. Even ESPN is one of these places that are suggesting that the Chiefs can make a very unpopular move. But when it comes to money on the books, dead cap, space, everything, it makes a hell of a lot of sense for the Chiefs to think about moving on from Travis Kelsey after what he has done for that team. His girlfriend's the most famous person on planet Earth. What do they talk about? The hundreds of millions of dollars she's brought in revenue. The owner of the chief's daughter thanked.

[Rich Davis]

Her for the way. There's, like, weird value in that because any team that would want to pick him up also gets that fan base. Remember, the stats, like Chiefs fandom went up like 40%, dude, as a result of the Swifties.

[Steve Covino]

As Travis Kelsey said on the New Heights podcast, I'm going to take some time to figure it out. I think I owe to my teammates that if I do come back, it's going to be a wholehearted decision. And I'm not half assing it. I'm fully in it there for them now. There's no doubt.

[Rich Davis]

I think if you're wondering if your whole heart's in it, it is.

[Steve Covino]

I said that last week.

[Rich Davis]

I said, but there's truth to that.

[Steve Covino]

I said, if you have to think about whether or not you. I'm not Travis Kelce, so I'm not putting words in another grown man's mouth. But if. If you. If I said Camino, let me think about if I'm in it for the Covino and Rich show, then you should think like, yo, he's not in it.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, not in it.

[Steve Covino]

If I asked Kavino, if you think.

[Rich Davis]

About it, then you and I are not on the same page.

[Steve Covino]

If I said, hey, Kavino, our contract's coming up soon. How do you feel about our show? And you're like, you know, let me think about if I'm in it. If you have to think about whether you're in it, it's.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. How would you like it if your wife said that to you?

[Steve Covino]

Honey, our anniversary is coming up. Let me think about if I still am in it.

[Rich Davis]

I was thinking about renewing our vows. Let me think about whether or not I'm in it or not. Because if I'm not fully in it, then I don't think it would be fair to you. You would be like, well, clearly she's not that in it.

[Steve Covino]

In any other scenario, you would be like, beat it. Well, it might be an unpopular move, but the way Kelsey's contract is set up, what an easy way for the Chiefs to sort of Reba revamp a little bit in 20, 25. It would cost the Chiefs only $2.5 million to cut Travis Kelsey. However, it would save them $17 million in salary.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, but again, there's an unwritten how much revenue they get from the Swifty fan base as a result. Those are amazing stats. Read that again. It would cost him 2.5 million to get rid of dead money in dead.

[Steve Covino]

Money while they would save save 17 in salary cap.

[Rich Davis]

But how much are they really losing to with that fan base?

[Steve Covino]

And then you got to say, well, what are they more interested in their cap space and winning or keeping hundreds of millions of dollars of Swifty revenue as part of their team.

[Rich Davis]

And by the way, if he retires a chief. Right. You got to factor in that every young girl and this sounds silly guys, but this is the truth. Every young girl who was impacted by them dating that are now considered Chiefs.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I guess I'm a Chiefs fan.

[Rich Davis]

For the rest of their life. If he retires a chief, if they're buying a jersey or going to a game or showing interest in any team, it's going to be the Chiefs.

[Steve Covino]

Do you know how much Chicago Bulls benefited?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, but there's value in that. And it can't be. It sounds absurd and silly, but it can't be downplayed.

[Steve Covino]

Do you know how much the Chicago Bulls benefited in the 90s until this day, based on kids, little boys, little girls, everyone. That's like I like Michael Jordan.

[Rich Davis]

You're creating generations of fans.

[Steve Covino]

You, you created.

[Rich Davis]

And, and it was the chief's owner's daughter that. That's that right.

[Steve Covino]

The Hunt story.

[Rich Davis]

Their fandom went up 43% as a result.

[Steve Covino]

You'd be lying if you didn't tell. If you're roughly 40ish like we are Danny G, Big Ryan, you tell me you don't have at least a couple friends. Like I'm a Bulls fan and they were a Bulls fan because when they're a little boy, they love Michael Jordan. And they stuck with the Bulls till this day. Through Derrick Rose, through nobody's. Till now. They are a Bulls fan. And Travis Kelsey by dating Taylor Swift have created generational fans. So we ask you. It's a two layer question.

[Rich Davis]

It would be.

[Steve Covino]

Would it be a fool's move to trade? Sorry. Or cut? Release Travis Kelsey and think about your own team. What's the trade or cut that hurt your heart as a fan, think of the teams you root for from the time you're a little boy or girl till now. What was the team cut or trade that hurt your feelings the most because there's one that's happening right now that's in the same vein as Travis Kelce. I think it has maybe 1/10 of the impact, but there is. There's a guy that does not have a home right now and I think it's BS And I'll tell you what it is. Next, Kavino and Rich in for our buddy Colin on the herd. Let's go.

[Dallas Goddard]

One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Stars. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.

[Steve Covino]

There was something sentimental when you, when you send it, you're just like, do I send the heart now?

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I don't like the color edition.

[Steve Covino]

It's extremely pink.

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[Dallas Goddard]

I'm Mark Seal.

[Mark Seal]

And I'm Nathan King.

[Rich Davis]

This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.

[Steve Covino]

The five families did not shoot that picture.

[Mark Seal]

Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish.

[Dallas Goddard]

This is really the first interview I've done in bed.

[Mark Seal]

We sift through innumerable accounts.

[Steve Covino]

35 pages isn't very much.

[Mark Seal]

Many of them conflicting.

[Steve Covino]

That's nonsense.

[Mark Seal]

There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of of what really happened.

[Steve Covino]

And they said we're finished. This is over. It only is not going to work. You gotta get rid of those guys. It's a disaster.

[Mark Seal]

Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.

[Steve Covino]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Mark Seal]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rich Davis]

All right, Kavino and Rich in for Colin on the herd. 8774 the herd at Covino and Rich. If you want to play along at home, cov I n o enrich and definitely check our podcast search Covino and Rich wherever you stream. We're live in Vegas. Danny G's on the phones back in LA with Big Sexy Ryan.

[Steve Covino]

And do you think he likes that nickname? We make a dad. Ryan's got to go home and be like, honey, they call me Big Sexy.

[Rich Davis]

How do you not like it? Right? And we're talking about, well, as Dan Beyer once put it on our show, cutting the head of the snake. Sometimes you got to cut the head of the snake. Culture of the team.

[Steve Covino]

They did it with Noma in Boston and then ended up winning two World Series.

[Rich Davis]

Dude, that is an example four year period because Theo Epstein was the young GM at the time. And people like, what are you doing? He's the only guy we love here on the Red Sox. He's the guy. He's the face of the franchise. You're gonna get rid of Noma. And that's the story. And if you really want to change the culture sometimes and you really want to move forward, those are the moves, the unpopular moves at the time that you got to make. And I believe Dan Buyer put it in that, in that perspective when we were talking about Aaron Rodgers leaving the Jets. Like, hey, are the jets going to keep Aaron Rodgers, you think? No, because if you really want to change the culture, sometimes you got to get rid of that. You got to get rid of that guy.

[Steve Covino]

Shout out to our buddy D.B. kavino and Rich in for the Herd. And this comes up because there's a, there's a sentiment out there that the Chiefs cutting Travis Kelsey sort of makes sense.

[Rich Davis]

You're not getting rid of Patrick Mahomes. That's not happening.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, he's your guy forever. But you know, an aging, looking, sluggish in the Super Bowl, Travis kelsey, who has $100 million podcast Life is good for him.

[Rich Davis]

Patrick Mahomes here, I'm here.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, what's up? Kavino and Rich doing a great job.

[Rich Davis]

And for calling on the Herd. And I just want to know, like, will I have any say in this at all? Because if it's up to me, he's my guy. He stays on the team. We've won with him before and I know we got to look forward to the future, but he's the guy.

[Steve Covino]

He's part of the fabric of what we do.

[Rich Davis]

Just saying. And I just want to say great job again, especially that Covino guy. He's my guy. Cavino, way to go. Nope, I'm out. All right, later guys.

[Steve Covino]

You know, things to do. There's other, there's other tight ends. You know our dude, Dallas Goddard, who we were hanging with yesterday, he's a free agent next year.

[Rich Davis]

Say I looked him up. He signed like a 50 something million dollar deal. Silver goes until next year. And if I was. Hey, Mahomes, you're going to tell me you wouldn't want a solid young stud like Dallas Goddard, a sure handed guy like that in a year? Better believe it. Absolutely he would.

[Steve Covino]

And Danny, when. When Brock Bowers tires of being a Raider in a couple years. I'm kidding. Watch your mouth. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. I'm dealing with two Raiders fans. I'm sorry, Ryan, but yeah, the. They're saying the sentiment is if they cut Kelsey, they lose like 2 mil. If. I'm sorry, no, if they. Yeah, if they cut him. But they also get $17 million in cap space back. And if he's at the end, it might make football sense, but doesn't make sense to the fans, to all the Swifties. And you might say that's ridiculous, but as the owner's daughter said, hundreds of millions of dollars you could tie back to the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce, Chief Kingdom Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Whether you want to believe that or not.

[Steve Covino]

Now I said, I have an example that is maybe one tenth of this, but it really is like, I think a fail of all fails. And I get it. You want to. You want to feel the best team in any sport. You could say, look at the Lakers did for Bronnie. It was, you know, it's more of a show than legitimate. He's a good young player, but he should not be NBA ready yet.

[Dallas Goddard]

You know what?

[Steve Covino]

Sold tickets, got headlines. But my example is not Bronny. It's not Kelsey and Swift. I'm a New York Mets fan. Last year, you can't go through three seconds without seeing a fan holding up an OMG sign.

[Rich Davis]

Hello, it's Juan Soto. I want to say I like Betty. Betty much. If Iglesias stay on the team, I feel like I like him very, very much. And it mean a lot to me. Juan Soto, if he stay on the team.

[Steve Covino]

Omg.

[Rich Davis]

Omg. Juan Soto. And great job Cobino. I love that guy and I like him very, very much.

[Steve Covino]

So Jose Iglesias.

[Rich Davis]

No. But you don't think he adds to that Latin flavor that. Honestly, between you and me, bro, and the millions that are listening right now, I think part of that is what pulled Soto to your Mets. They had that Latino flair. They had a fun vibe. They had Francisco Lindor. They had a bunch of young Latin players that had a lot of fun. They were able to grow facial hair.

[Steve Covino]

So this. This omg Mets rally cry has not been signed. They. And I'm not saying. I'm not comparing Jose Glacis to Juan Soto.

[Rich Davis]

Soto was a big Candelita fan, bro.

[Steve Covino]

Pete Alonzo mania. I'm not comparing him to any of the Mets offseason signings, but when you are going to spend $765 million on Juan Soto and a guy like Jose Iglesias probably is like a $5 million utility guy. I'm not saying throw away 5 mil, but please re.

[Rich Davis]

Emphasize, though, you're not comparing him to Travis Kelsey.

[Steve Covino]

No, I'm not. I'm just.

[Rich Davis]

I'm talking about far as, like, he's the part of the fabric of the team, you want to keep him around. That's what you're getting. Yeah. When.

[Steve Covino]

When. When there's a. When there's a guy, a fan favorite, a rally cry, someone that means something to the team. And especially when it's not. When it's not big spending like Jose Iglesias isn't saying I want double digits a year. I bet you Jose Iglesias would take a one year small deal.

[Rich Davis]

Well, don't you think Kelsey honestly should be willing to take a pay cut for, you know, one more goodbye year and, and one more year of putting it out there and see if they, they could run it back and make some moves just to get back on track again.

[Steve Covino]

You're telling a grown man to take a pay cut. It sounds easier when you say it. Like, the reality is like, why should I take a pay cut? I'm a feature hall of Famer, retire as a chief. I'm just saying I think there's some.

[Rich Davis]

Some pride in that.

[Steve Covino]

Your thoughts at 877 for the herd. I want to hear the player that upset you the most when your team cut ties, whether they released them, cut them, traded him. The one that hurt the fan base where it's like, yo, for real, you got rid of Blank. When I was a kid, as a Mets fan, I'll give you one more match because it's what I could speak of, because that's my fandom. Two of them. I mentioned it before. When Montana left the Niners, I was like, really? I like Steve Young, but. Oh, really? Oh, and when the Mets said, yeah, you know what? We're going to let Gary Carter move on. The late, great Gary Carter, I know he was past his prime, but, God, it's Gary Carter like, he was the face.

[Rich Davis]

He won with you guys.

[Steve Covino]

Just, you know. Yeah, just the smiley catcher.

[Rich Davis]

So that as he's a leader of the team.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. There was something about Gary Carter's departure when he went out west. It was like everybody loved that guy said, yeah, the soap commercials.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. One of the most likable players in sports and especially in New York at the time because he won with the Mets.

[Steve Covino]

Now, Danny, let me ask you, being an LA guy, when Piazza came to us, I know he was in the. At the Marlins for like a cup of coffee in between, but did Piazza leaving hurt you guys or you not care?

[Dallas Goddard]

No, it did.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah.

[Dallas Goddard]

I remember the girl I was dating at the time had like, tears welling up in her eyes.

[Steve Covino]

Damn.

[Dallas Goddard]

When she found out. You got to remember there was a mural of him on the outside of Dodger Stadium.

[Rich Davis]

Now, the truth is, Dan ripped. Danny ripped one. He was. He had a mean burrito that night.

[Steve Covino]

And she was tearing up.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. It had nothing to do with Piazza.

[Steve Covino]

Danny, is there a Laker do not.

[Dallas Goddard]

Let gas in front of girlfriends?

[Steve Covino]

No. Danny, I remember you telling me once when Marcus Allen moved on to the, the Chiefs, you were very upset, man.

[Rich Davis]

I cried I was like, boo.

[Dallas Goddard]

I was very upset because you don't want, first of all, you don't want to see your childhood hero like Marcus Allen move to a different team, but then let alone it being the Chiefs, right? Go anywhere but Kansas City, please, if you are a Raider. And then more recently, when Jon Gruden returned to Oakland and Mark Davis got his dream to get his coach back, what's the first big move? He traded Khalil Mack. And there were Oakland Raider fans at the time who quit. They wrote memos about how their fandom was done. They. They can't believe this. Khalil Mack was the guy we all were rocking his jersey there at the Coliseum. And that, that was a big one. There's still Raider fans who have not gotten over that.

[Rich Davis]

What hurts the most? It usually hurts the most when you're a little kid because that's your first realization of, like, what, wow, my favorite guy is gone. How do they do, like, as a kid? It's like baffling. Like, you, you're almost. Your heart is hurting.

[Steve Covino]

Why, why would they do, you know, for my brother, My favorite player for my brother. That was Mookie Wilson when he got traded to the Blue Jays. Everyone has their example. Our buddy Bo back at Fox.

[Rich Davis]

Life lesson.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, Bo said he was in fifth grade when that Piazza trade happened and he remembers crying on the way to school.

[Rich Davis]

Exactly what I was getting at. Thank you, Bo. Bo chiming in. That's a great example. Because as a kid you're like, wait, they could do that?

[Steve Covino]

Well, you know what? We're going to take all your feedback, but let's hit the Hard Line news with Danny G. Let's go.

[Rich Davis]

No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[Dallas Goddard]

This is the Herd line news. All right, you guys are honorary Canadians now, so we're going to start with Nathan McKinnon, who was named MVP last night in the nation's face off. McKinnon scored three goals in the three game round robin, starting with Canada's 43 win over Sweden.

[Steve Covino]

Pretty good game, eh?

[Dallas Goddard]

Opening game. He then added two goals in that 53 victory over Finland. And of course, that propelled his team into the final versus our U.S. team. It was a well deserved honor for McKinnon, who got Canada off to great early starts.

[Rich Davis]

Hey, Danny G. Do you think Canadians call Mark Messier? Mark Messiera.

[Steve Covino]

Oh, stop.

[Rich Davis]

He was.

[Steve Covino]

I saw him see Mark Messi.

[Rich Davis]

No, you know what? It's going to be a cool moment when people ask me in the future, hey, dude, are you a hockey fan? I Could always say for one day.

[Steve Covino]

I was for one day.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, I was for one day. Because that was an amazing game, an amazing moment. We'll see how it, you know, carries on, but they had a great night.

[Dallas Goddard]

All right. To a league we can all agree on. The NFL. Aaron Rodgers, your boy, he's likely to play a wild card role in the NFL carousel. If the former four time NFL MVP wishes to continue his career, he's going to have to go elsewhere because the jets are going to release him. He's going to need to find a team willing to give him a shot. But what is Rogers looking for exactly? TMZ tracked them down. He was in a good mood. After workout, Rodgers talked about the factors he's taken into consideration. If they want you, he responded when asked that question. He also said he's considering the potential squad put around him and he wouldn't mind warm weather.

[Steve Covino]

I listen, it makes all sense for a veteran. Hey, I play in a nice place, you know, I want to play for someone that could potentially win and oh yeah, who doesn't want to be wanted? Danny, whether it's a relationship or a job, the sense of oh wow, you actually want me.

[Rich Davis]

Is every guy, new ladies listening? Every guy wants to feel desired.

[Steve Covino]

In fact, I think a lot of times when relationships fail is when the wife or husband or girlfriend or boyfriend doesn't make the other person feel desired at all.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, for sure.

[Steve Covino]

So make Aaron Rodgers feel desired.

[Rich Davis]

Somebody makes it desired. Tickle his tootsies a little bit.

[Dallas Goddard]

All right. And we will wrap with the NBA. Sports media was really critical of LeBron just a couple days ago after he missed two threes.

[Steve Covino]

Cavino. Cavino, specifically Covino, always hard on LeBron.

[Dallas Goddard]

End of that Hornets game, try to.

[Steve Covino]

Get him to yell at Doug Gottlieb and you.

[Rich Davis]

No, no. Truthfully, I, I love LeBron. I would love to see him win one this year. I criticized him not changing for that all star team photo. I thought that was a weak moment. But he's had many, many great moments. I just thought that was one, one.

[Dallas Goddard]

Little step and a lot of ups and downs just this season because one game later Lakers head coach JJ Redick had something to say about 40 year old LeBron dropping to lead the Lakers to a 110, 102 win over the Blazers last night. He really justifies anything that's normal, Redick said. And not just the physical feats in the plays, it's the mentality. He's a billionaire, yet he's playing on the second night of a back to back at 40 after 22 years with every freaking record and every accolade. It's like he's just amazing to coach. He sets the standard for how you're supposed to approach this craft.

[Rich Davis]

He was blazing him as he said.

[Steve Covino]

I mean, the reality is we love to glamorize all the other people. Oh, you know, he's no MJ or no Kobe or no this guy. That LeBron is doing at his age what no one has ever done before. So it's very hard for the haters to even weigh in on this because what are you going to say? Well, yeah, he's, he's 40, doing what a 24 year old does. Come on, the guy's insane. You got to give LeBron props when he deserves it.

[Dallas Goddard]

By the way, he said the secret because he said this for a while is sleep when he has a good game. That was hard because the Lakers, they did. Their plane didn't land until 3 in the morning, so. So after the game, the Lakers sideline reporter was like, well, you can't stay sleep this time. And LeBron, LeBron said, yeah, I can because I slept in until 11:30.

[Steve Covino]

Telling you we're gonna have a killer show on Monday. I'm gonna sleep all weekend. I. I am so unrested out here.

[Rich Davis]

It'll take an edible until your son is bouncing on your head when you get home.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. All right. Thank you. Danny G with the Herd Line news.

[Dallas Goddard]

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.

[Steve Covino]

Yo, I got one dumb question to go along with all our feedback because I want, I want to get to your phone calls. The player that left your team, that hurt you as a kid, were you like, maybe you cried on the way to school? I like that one.

[Rich Davis]

Because again, there's, there's rumor and speculation that the Chiefs could save a lot of money by getting rid of Travis Kelce.

[Steve Covino]

But I have one other dumb question for you guys. My wife and I have a relatively new car. And because I'm coaching multiple kids sports now, that new car smell.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Steve Covino]

Now smells like muskie. Catcher's equipment.

[Rich Davis]

Muskie or musty?

[Steve Covino]

Both. Do you as a parent that coaches? Because I guarantee we're talking to a lot of dads and moms that coach. Do you keep the equipment in the SUV or do you load it and unload it every time? Because I don't feel like taking that crap in and out every time. But does that mean my brand new car now smells like crappy equipment? Is that the dad life.

[Rich Davis]

I think this is part of the dad life. I think this is, you know, great problems to have. I think it just goes to territory of being a coach in little league or softball or whatever it is you're doing. Yeah. Who wants to deal with that hassle?

[Steve Covino]

I know.

[Rich Davis]

Or you could just buy like a little tree air freshener, call it a day.

[Steve Covino]

Thanks for solving my problem in 30 seconds. Yeah. Your feedback, the player that hurt your feelings the most. We'll get to that next. In for the Herd, in for Colin, your buds Kavino and Rich right here on Fox Sports Radio.

[Dallas Goddard]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

[Steve Covino]

Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis.

[Rich Davis]

And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.

[Steve Covino]

You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app.

[Rich Davis]

Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?

[Steve Covino]

We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world.

[Rich Davis]

We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss.

[Steve Covino]

And the fact that we been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right?

[Rich Davis]

So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.

[Steve Covino]

I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth.

[Rich Davis]

Be sure to check out Covino Enriched live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.

[Steve Covino]

And if you miss any of the live show, just search KO Vino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

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[Dallas Goddard]

I'm Mark Seal.

[Mark Seal]

And I'm Nathan King.

[Rich Davis]

This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli. The five families did not want us.

[Steve Covino]

To shoot that picture.

[Mark Seal]

Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish, this is really.

[Rich Davis]

The first interview I've done in bed.

[Mark Seal]

We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting.

[Steve Covino]

That's nonsense.

[Mark Seal]

There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened.

[Steve Covino]

And they said we're finished, this is over. Not only is not going to work, you got to get rid of those guys.

[Mark Seal]

It's just that Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.

[Steve Covino]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Mark Seal]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.

[Steve Covino]

There was something sentimental when you, when you Send it. It's like, do I send the heart now?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't like the color edition.

[Steve Covino]

It's extremely pink.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple piece podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rich Davis]

What a night. What a night. What a Thursday.

[Steve Covino]

A.

[Rich Davis]

Did it say Thursday?

[Steve Covino]

A. Stop it.

[Rich Davis]

What a Thursday. A night for Canada. Congratulations. We talked about the four nations title. Big win and ot.

[Steve Covino]

I was shocked when I watched last night. Yeah, the Canadians didn't have the floppy heads like they do in South Park.

[Rich Davis]

I thought they had floppy heads. I'm so confused at first. But anyway, we watched, we enjoyed great time. We talked about it. We'll talk about it again later on.

[Steve Covino]

Cavino's a trader. He's been eating ketchup chips and poutine all day and Tim Hortons. I'm like, dude, this guy.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, no, that's me.

[Steve Covino]

When he go there for good.

[Rich Davis]

That's me, Cavino. That is rich in for Colin on the herd at Covino. Enrich. Shout out to the iHeartRadio app if you're listening there. If you're listening in the future, make.

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[Rich Davis]

We appreciate it at covinoenrich C O V. I know. And we have a bonus podcast that you could watch on fox Sports Radio's YouTube page. It's called Over Promised. I love that show. I think you'll like it too. And speaking of shows and what to watch next hour, we're going to get you ready for the weekend. We do it every Friday weekend, hobnobbing what you need to watch in the world of spots, sports and pop culture. We'll do that next.

[Steve Covino]

Let me ask you besides work trips, because we've done some really fun broadcasts in Canada. Vancouver, Toronto. We went to Windsor when the Super Bowls in Detroit because someone said go to the strip clubs. I mean restaurants in Windsor. Yeah, but have you ever gone there on your own? Not work related to where? Canada? Yes. For what?

[Rich Davis]

I don't know. I have though.

[Steve Covino]

I was, I went to college.

[Rich Davis]

A young man because the drinking age was 18.

[Steve Covino]

I was gonna say, hey, dope. That was why I was asking. When I went to Syracuse, people would go to Niagara Falls and go on the other side just because they were like, we could drink younger. That was like. That was the upstate New York. You know, you're in the border town.

[Rich Davis]

Very underrated thing to do.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, that was always a thing. You go to the casino and you drink underage in Canada.

[Rich Davis]

Well, shout out to Our Canadian friends, we got a lot of them, but a big night. But right now, we're wrapping up our conversation about Travis Kelsey. If you just joined us, the stat was. And the story was there's just speculation that it would cost 2.5 million to release them, but they would save $17 million. So that's sort of like getting ready. Getting rid of one of your main guys just for the greater good of the future. Makes you think about.

[Steve Covino]

It makes fiscal sense. But when you talk about emotions with the fans and the Swifties and the money that, believe it or not, I know it sounds ridiculous, but you were saying before the money that even the owner's daughter said that being tied to Taylor Swift brings in hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Rich Davis]

I'm not sure how much financial sense it makes. It actually does make. When you factor that in, when you factor in generations of new fans that they would keep if he retired or ended his career as a chief with all these Swifty fans, it's ridiculous, but it makes us think of those players that you lost because he is part of the heart and soul and fabric of that franchise. And this run that they've had those moments as a kid or maybe as an adult where, like, they got rid of my guy, that's just. And, you know, it's kind of hard for me. There's so many moments, but one that does come to mind, like, we have sort of, like, our standard answers. One that always comes to mind for me is Robinson Canoe, because I always thought he was going to be that dude. Like. Like, he's the guy. Homegrown guy. I thought he was going to be a Yankee forever. And when he took the bag and went to Seattle, it was like. It was heartbreaking.

[Steve Covino]

Everyone else laughed. You cried.

[Rich Davis]

No, seriously, it was like, what?

[Steve Covino]

You know, I'm reading our Danny, while you get the phones rolling, I'm reading our feedback on X and Instagram. Let's see. How about this one? When Neil Smith left the Chiefs to go to the Broncos. That's from Michael. He said, at that moment, I became numb.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, Wes. Wes Johnson hit us up and said Garnett when he left Minnesota.

[Steve Covino]

I'm a grown man, and I cried as a Chargers fan when Keenan Allen said, nah, I'm gonna go become a Bear. Wilbur Marshall leaving the Bears. That was from Total Sports Podcast. Hit us up saying, that was a big one. We're getting a lot of feedback. And yeah, Kevin Garnett, again, Kevin Garnett was a big one. Oh, how about this? Jordan said, when Griffey Jr. Was traded from the Mariners. He thought that guy was a lifer.

[Rich Davis]

That might be a number one answer.

[Steve Covino]

Tracy McGrady from the Magic. That's from Sinkler, who hit us up.

[Rich Davis]

So, you know, the thought of Kelsey leaving the Chiefs, that. That wouldn't sit right with a lot of people.

[Steve Covino]

You know what Sort of felt weird and it didn't happen, but it felt inevitable. And, you know, as you saw, they pulled the 180 real quick. Didn't you get the gist that Steve Cohen was like, yeah, later, later. Pete Alonzo.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Steve Covino]

And for a minute, I was like.

[Rich Davis]

That was a bad move to make. I thought he was your guy. I honestly thought you guys weren't appreciating him enough and showing him the respect he deserved as a man.

[Steve Covino]

And it seems like, you know, obviously it all worked out and people were projecting, oh, he's gonna have a big year with that protection. With Lindor leading off and Soto and the lineup, Viento is coming into his own. But there was a moment where it seemed like, yo, Pete's really gonna go. And you're like, pete Alonzo's a blue jay. That would have been whack because that was, like, the most likely landing spot. I remember thinking, my daughter, who's 7, and my son, who's 5, Pete's probably, like, the first met they know, because I'm like, that's polar bear Pete. So it would have been weird to be like, kids, he's gone.

[Rich Davis]

He's gone.

[Steve Covino]

What do you mean, dad?

[Rich Davis]

So next hour, Fox Sports Radio Nation. We're gonna play a game and give away prizes. A game called Quote Me is one of our newest games. We're gonna play Quote Me and some weekend hobnobbing. What you need to watch in the world, sports and pop culture.

[Steve Covino]

Fantastic. More Covino and Rich hanging out on Friday. And for our buddy Colin on the Herd, hang tight. Some people just know they could save hundreds on car insurance by checking Allstate first. Like, you know, to check for the nearest bathroom first before the game starts. Now you're heading in the wrong direction, and it sounds like your team's taking the lead. Checking first is smart, so check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate Savings vary subject to terms, conditions and availability. Allstate Fire and Casualty insurance company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. Are you hungry? Colleen Witt here and eating while broke is back for season four every Thursday on the Black Effect podcast network. This season, we've got a legendary lineup serving up broke dishes and even better stories. On the menu. We have Tony Baker, Nick Cannon, Melissa Ford, October London, and Carrie Harper Howey turning Big Mac into big moves. Catch eating while broke every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast. Wherever you get your favorite shows, come hungry for season four.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Mark Seal]

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[Rich Davis]

This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.

[Steve Covino]

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[Mark Seal]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Mark Seal]

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