Jason McIntyre (3:21)

I hope so.

Colin Cowherd (3:22)

Christmas Eve, I just found out my daughter's coming over making cookies all day and I'm going to have a big chicken parm dinner. So that's going to be amazing. That's massive. Free cookies for dad.

Urban Meyer (3:32)

Cookies.

Colin Cowherd (3:33)

She said she's going to bring over like five friends and just, you know, that's what they're going to do. And I don't even know. So it's like we went on a walk last night after the Bucks win and it was like, what are you doing? My family's all over the country this year. It's a weird year. So, you know, kids get older, they're all over the place. You did invite me on Christmas to come over.

Jason McIntyre (3:51)

Yeah, we're still waiting on the RSVP on that one. Big boy.

Colin Cowherd (3:54)

I told you all, bring the wings.

Jason McIntyre (3:58)

Okay, you say so.

Colin Cowherd (4:00)

I don't think your family could handle me. I come with a lot of hot takes, not baggage. Well, that too. A lot of baggage and a lot.

Jason McIntyre (4:07)

Of shares of Neurogum. Just no cigars.

Colin Cowherd (4:09)

Oh, bummer. Okay, so, you know, I was thinking, Jim Nance said this weekend. Jim's terrific. He said the Buffalo Bills are America's team. And I've been on this for a couple years. Dallas is not America's team. When Dallas is on, I don't watch. I'm not interested. I love watching the Chiefs. I love watching the Packers. I think the Lions are a great story. I think I do believe Buffalo feels a little bit like America's team is that they've Been to multiple Super Bowls. I think if the Buffalo Bills go to a Super bowl, it will shatter records. Now, I think Kansas City going for a three peat is good as well. But I was thinking this morning, if I had a choice, these would be just for the bigness of it, the macro of it, these would be my five favorite Super Bowls. So number one would be Bills against the Detroit Lions. I would call it snow caps against kneecaps. I mean, listen, the Lions have never reached a Super bowl and the bills are.04. I mean this would be, this would be, I mean, tears. Somebody's going to win this and you're going to, you're going to get emotional. As a viewer, I think Buffalo right now is the better team. Neither is playing a ton of defense, mostly because Detroit's all banged up. The second best super bowl to me would be the same Buffalo Bills against the dramatic Philadelphia Eagles. Super quarterback against super roster. I think Philadelphia has got the most star players, the best roster, and I think teams like that are fun to watch. The super bowl against a team that's got some limitations on the defensive side. Also number two scoring offense, Buffalo. Number one defense, Philadelphia. I think the third Super Bowl I'd want to watch would be the Kansas City Chiefs against the Packers. This matchup would be pretty gouda. I'm sorry, I ran out of material there. Okay, so the Chiefs are looking for their first ever three feet in the history of the league. And they're Andy Reid and Mahomes. Big stage. Packers have not been to a Super bowl since the Aaron years, but when they get there, they've won four or five. And again you're talking about. I think in my opinion, Jordan Love has a lot of Patrick Mahomes to his game where he can let it loose. He'll throw an ugly interception, but he is a lot of fun to watch. Number four. And maybe it's me. Baltimore against Philadelphia. It's Lamar Velos. Lamar finally proves his critics wrong again. Stylistically, power football, lot of running, but some playmakers. Lamar is 242 all time against the NFC. So I think Philadelphia is the much better team. But Lamar, the first time you face him, I mean there, there is nothing else like him. So that would be the fourth best super bowl and finally the fifth best Super Bowl. And I'll be insufferable if it happens. Jim Harbaugh against Sam Darnold where Colin was. Oh, so right. The coach I love and two quarterbacks I love. I think both teams are probably a draft away. But listen, all these Super Bowls are going to get a number. I do think Detroit, Buffalo, I don't think you can top that. I think that is, that's tearjerker stuff more than anything because I don't think Baltimore has the defensive makeup to win, but it is interesting. So both Buffalo and Baltimore, we love their offense, we have questions about the defense, but these games are going to be played up north. I mean the truth, is it your defense who's throwing the ball if it's 28 mile an hour winds? So Buffalo and Baltimore and for, let's be honest, Kansas City's not a high powered offense. So the argument for Kansas City is they have the best defense of all the top teams in the afc. I mean they do there. It's a much better defense than Buffalo, it's a much better defense than Baltimore. So we spend so much attention paying attention to offense. But what really makes it interesting for Kansas City is they have the best coach and quarterback and the best defense. So everybody wants to sell their chief stuff. Don't forget the last three super bowl champs. Kansas City twice in. The Rams played their best football from about now until the game. Remember that? Remember the Matt Stafford first year in la? They started well, then they got really sideways in the middle of the season, then they got hot. Kansas City last two years they've been trying to figure out their offense. Like at week 14, they're not sure what they're off. Remember last year the Chiefs got beat by the Raiders. They couldn't figure out their offense. So as the season has been expanded to 18 weeks and 17 games and this has always been to some degree a league of attrition, I mean the, the, the, you know, the Chiefs lose their left tackle and they got to go in the market and get a left tackle. So I think the one thing you worry about with Kansas City, it's not the Mahomes injury. It's that the one time they've been vulnerable in the playoffs is when they could not protect Mahomes. And he has been hit this year more than any other year. You can't get to Josh Allen. Josh Allen, I don't. He hadn't been sacked in a month. So there's, there's a lot of, I mean I think weather comes into play here, it doesn't matter until Detroit plays Philly big Advantage if it's 12 degrees in Philadelphia outdoors, but if it's a fast track, I mean Green Bay will be fine outdoors, Philly will be fine outdoors. You know, Vikings I think are mostly because of their Vertical nature are built to play indoors and Detroit is.

Jason McIntyre (9:54)

You mentioned Green Bay. It looks like it's going to be a snow game or really frigid temperatures against the Saints this week. The last time we saw Green Bay in bad, inclement weather in Green in Green Bay was against Detroit and they did not look good. Now, that was love coming off the injury. I think the packers indoors are a scary football team, Col. Their receivers are like a track team.

Colin Cowherd (10:15)

So Josh Allen has not been sacked since November 10th. That is insane. So whereas Mahomes is taking a beating. So that is, that's another big advantage. You're going to get a very fresh, a very protected Josh Allen. And Mahomes, he's going to be, you know, we've seen him in Super Bowls limping around. So. By the way, before we get to Urban Meyer after the break, Urban Meyer, Ohio State, Tennessee. That thing's got upset written all over it. Indiana is a touchdown underdog to Notre Dame. J. Mac, I don't know what the, what the wise guys think. Indiana is well coached, a month off. That's pretty interesting. Do we have Urban now? Oh, we do. Okay, let's go to him right now. Urban Meyer, Fox Sports college analyst, is joining us live. So the Ohio State, Tennessee game is fascinating. Ohio State's got better players. Here's what I worry about. And you've had teams like this, the Tennessee D line, that's their strength. The Ohio State O line is arguably a unit that's always been a bit in flux. If you went into a big game and you're like, okay, and you went into a few of these, okay, we can't do this, and they can. Does that concern you that the volunteer strength could be the liability of Ohio State?

Steve Covino (11:31)

It's very alarming. Anytime you get to December, that's really the number one place you look. And all those years of game plan and the first thing you do is you. I mean, I would, I remember for years and years and years, you sit there and you just run back and forth the matchups on the offense line and defense line. And when Seth McLaughlin, the center, got hurt for Ohio State, this is right after their best performance, maybe in two years at Penn State. And they didn't play very well against the Wolverines. Matter of fact, they played poorly. It looked discombobulated. And a lot of that's because of those three injuries they had in the offensive line. So there's some answers, but that's the first way you check the obvious answers. Cullen, get the ball out fast. This is going to be a. This is going to be a throw first game for Ohio State. It's going to be cold, but there's, you know, is what it is, it's going to be a throw first game, which obviously that's not conducive to, you know, a big time matchup, but that's going to be a throw first game for Ohio State.

Colin Cowherd (12:28)

So, Urban, this happened to you very infrequently, but if you lost a game in college and had a long layoff, that's different. Generally, you win, Ohio State wins, they get a month off. Boy, it is, it is a lot of energy and a lot of smiling in the weight room. Team's kind of trying to find itself for the next month. So it's about culture and it's about coaching. Does that concern you?

Steve Covino (12:56)

It does. It, it does. Because you've been having to eat this damn thing now for three weeks and it's awful. I mean, I was there in Columbus and that's, you know, you lose to that, that team up north, you lose to the Wolverines. And Ohio is a tough place, man. That's a high expectations. But I actually talked to Coach Day. In the old days, you had to, if you lost that game, you had to eat it for 365 days, go to some bowl game you wish you didn't were in probably, and. But you don't have time now you got an SEC program, a team that's got a very, like you said, a very good D line coming in or so. To me, Colin, this is all about those seniors came back for a lot of reasons. One was to beat the team up north. They didn't do it. However, they also want to go compete for a national title. To me, this is a locker room issue. If they come out and play well, that means they got a strong locker room. If they don't, that means they don't.

Colin Cowherd (13:49)

The two best college football coaches in my lifetime are probably Nick Saban and Urban Meyer both. You tried the NFL. The fit wasn't ideal. I don't believe that all NFL guys go to college and it's easy. I, I don't think Belichick or Bill Parcells, they don't have a lot of charisma. I don't think they're built for college football. I think you're limited on number of hours. I think you have to deal now more than ever with donors and administration and nonsense. I thought college football was always going to be tough for certain guys. I think it's going to be. I think Bill's going to get tired of it really quick. He's built a pro model. You know Bill, we know he's smart, but Nick and you could turn it on. I know both of you. I've been and been with you. You have a good sense of humor, you're light. That's a big part of this thing. You, the players are selecting you in college and the pros, you just select them. I'm in the minority here. I think Bill, I think the tedium of college football coaching could wear him out. Are you a little concerned that he's stepping into something that's gotten really difficult? College coaching?

Steve Covino (14:55)

I know coach very well. Went to many times up to the Patriots. And what amazed me was how smart he was. And he adapts and he can get things done. It's a much different game that me and you knew. Colin, that, for example, you know how many times the coaches are on the road the month of December in college now? None. It used to be every day you were gone for three weeks in the month of December in people's homes. Now you don't do that now. It's simply they come to your campus, you find out how much they're being paid and you give them or you don't give them. The days are gone when you have to write all the emails or not emails, text messages and handwritten notes and talking to the players, girlfriends, his aunt, you know, the high school social studies teacher, the assistant strength coach is going to help you get it in in the school. That's all gone. So it's a much different. You know, if there was a time for Coach Belichick to go to college, it's now. I would say 10 years ago, five years ago. It would be a real struggle because it's just something he's never done. It's probably something he's not very comfortable in. What you just said, yeah, you're on the road in those high schools. You don't do that now. So it's simply, how much is it? I'm recruiting Colin Cower. I call you up, say, Colin, how much is it going to cost for you to come to North Carolina? You and your agent tell me your number and we either go or we don't go.

Colin Cowherd (16:17)

And by the way, I'm not cheap. I've got very good hands. I'm not cheap.

Steve Covino (16:24)

Okay, pre gray here, I might have recruited.

Colin Cowherd (16:28)

So listen, I've been wrong more than a few times. I thought Lincoln Riley at USC would work. But there is a difference between Being schematically very smart and building a program. And I. And I've always said usc, California high school players, a lot of quarterbacks, receivers and corners. Yeah, you guys. Sometimes you got to leave the state to get great linemen. He doesn't appear to love recruiting. He lost a lot of good players in the transfer portal. Is it possible I just missed on it. I'm just. It's not going to work. I mean, they're freaking out out here. What do you make of their situation right now?

Steve Covino (17:07)

I just worry. I like Lincoln Riley. He's always been very good to me. I coached against him. One of his early games. They beat us when he was a head coach at Oklahoma. I love his offensive scheme. I'm saying all the right things because I believe it should work. Here's the problem, Colin. Once you lose momentum, it's hard to get back. And USC's lost momentum. I mean, they had it when they hired him and a lot of energy. They officially have lost momentum in Southern California. What does that mean? Normally it doesn't end well. I'm going to give him benefit of doubt because it's not his first rodeo. He did a really good job at Oklahoma. I think you'll get it back. I really do. But the minute you lose momentum, you got to really turn up the heat now to get that momentum back. And that's got to be it. You got to get some prize recruit, you got to win some games because if you continue to lose momentum, this will end poorly.

Colin Cowherd (18:01)

Yeah. So I. I guess, I mean, I think I've kind of said I picked Tennessee to win the Natty before the season. So yeah, I did. I. I think Josh Hypo. I liked them, their D line and they always have good receivers. I mean, they. They have good backs and receivers and down years it's just Tennessee. I don't know if they can beat Ohio State. So I'd feel much better if they didn't have to go to Columbus because I think the Buckeyes are going to win. But I. I am just. I look at Texas and I made this comment and tell me I'm wrong. I know they've got a bunch of great players, but for some reason offensively, they got Sark. They have the best left tackle. Why aren't they scoring more? I don't see Juice. Ohio State. I see Juice. I see Juice with their backs. I see Juice on the perimeter. I watch Texas and I'm like 17 against A and M struggling this week, struggling against Georgia. Is it just a Georgia thing? Or maybe is Texas a little overvalued?

Steve Covino (19:08)

That's great. I actually went back and watched them yesterday because I'm going to do some commentary on the playoffs coming up here. And I've been to Texas. You know, I picked them last year. I picked them again this year to be right there. And I think they will be right there. Here's what I think's happened. I don't see the same creativity that I usually see from Sark, and I'm wondering if he's just a game manager now. That means he has an excellent defense. I love the defense. I think, yes, obviously one of the best defenses. And when you have a great defense, you have a tendency to kind of tighten up and just play to win the game. I think that's what's happened with Ryan Day a little bit. When you, when you see your defense just smothering an opponent and I've been there and what goes through your mind is, don't lose this damn game. Don't do something stupid and play to your strengths. Pete, the fans hate it. But you know what? At the end of the day, your job is to win that game. That's what I see when I watch Texas right now. That's what I see when I see Ohio State right now. I don't see the creativity. I don't see the balls to the wall. Let the, let it fly. And I'm not disagreeing with it. I've been there. I've won a lot of games where you're, you know, you just don't feel great about your offense. And you, and you play to the strengths and that is do not turn that ball over field play, field position football and find a way to win the game. That's what I see when I watch Texas right now.

Colin Cowherd (20:23)

Okay, so you could make the argument Ryan Day, if you took out Jim Harbaugh, we would have none of these big discussions. But Harbaugh is one of the greatest coaches ever. You lose three straight, then you lose this year, you're upset. I got to ask the tough question. They lose to Tennessee, it's good game. It's close. Ohio State is the only SEC team North fan base is. I'm sorry, talk radio. It's different. It's. I've always said out of respect, it's an SEC team in the Big Ten, even Michigan, you can lose. You can lose to Ohio State. Four losses to Michigan, first round. If they lost, is Ryan Day in trouble, do you believe?

Steve Covino (21:04)

Not this year. I think they will not make the change. Yeah, they Will not do that now.

Colin Cowherd (21:11)

Okay?

Steve Covino (21:12)

There's no chance they'll do that now because Colin, if you, if you made that change, you lose your roster. You know, you lose. They can't do that. They can't do that now. I don't believe they do that now. It would just be that much more pressure like for Coach Day and his staff next year. And they have a tough deal. They open up with Texas right out of the jump. So no, I don't believe they do it this year.

Colin Cowherd (21:34)

Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do it. But I'm, you know, I see that message board crowd they get, you know, athletic directors read all that nonsense. So it's, I wouldn't do it, but, you know, I'm a level headed guy.

Steve Covino (21:47)

You, you think that, you think ads watch the message board.

Colin Cowherd (21:50)

Oh, come on, Irvin. Those guys really. Oh, I think owners listen to talk radio. How ridiculous is that?

Steve Covino (21:58)

I'm not saying they listen to Colin radio. Colin Coward.

Colin Cowherd (22:01)

Well, now that again, those takes are pretty solid. Yeah, we know that. All right, Ermin Meyer, great seeing you again.

Steve Covino (22:09)

Yeah, great seeing you. Always calling Urban Meyer.

Colin Cowherd (22:11)

Good stuff. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't move off Ryan Day. I think he's good coach. You know, it's, you know, some of this is, I think he hit on it that Ohio State and Texas have such good defenses. I mean, I've been watching Texas all year and my take is where'd the offense go? Now I, I think Arch Manning, frankly should play more. But where to go? It's all five star athletes, got the best left tackle. They always have good against Texas. They always have tight ends and receivers. So I think, I think Ermine hit on that because I've been wanting like I see Ohio State, I see Juice, I see Oregon. Whoa. I see. No, Georgia is just limited offensively in my opinion. But, but I'm watching Texas the last month and I'm like, where did it go? One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the iHeartRadio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun, talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

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Jason McIntyre (29:00)

Wouldn'T put my 401k on something like that. But listen to the words. I have no intention of leaving Colorado. That's not. I'm staying if the right job opens up.

Colin Cowherd (29:10)

See ya.

Jason McIntyre (29:11)

He's gone. That's why he used I have no intention to leave. You still get the recruits, right? Recruits are still going to come in.

Colin Cowherd (29:17)

That's good.

Jason McIntyre (29:18)

We'll see. We'll see what happens.

Colin Cowherd (29:20)

Wording matters. No intention of doing that. Yeah, well, I didn't intend for it. I just got a great offer. Yeah, well, it's interesting. J. Mac with the news.

Steve Covino (29:30)

No, no, no, no.

Colin Cowherd (29:31)

Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

Jason McIntyre (29:35)

Well, we had one big flip of the spread in the NFL, and that's because Patrick Mahomes showed up at practice this week and practiced in full yesterday. Kyle, this was a guy who was injured and maybe sitting out practice at full. Now, you drill down a little bit on this practice report and it's like, okay, this was like a glorified walkthrough for the Chiefs because they're banged up. And Mahomes said the ankle is still bothering him. But returning to practice, flip this. Remember yesterday, the Texans were two and a half point favorites. The Chiefs are now laying a field goal at home against the Texans. This is a big game.

Colin Cowherd (30:12)

I think Kansas City wins it. With Wentz or Mahomes with Wentz. Yeah. I think Carson's on the scale of backups. I think he's a really strong backup.

Jason McIntyre (30:22)

Based on what?

Colin Cowherd (30:23)

Well, I mean, this is a guy that four or five years ago was in the MVP race. He's a good athlete.

Jason McIntyre (30:28)

Four or five years ago.

Colin Cowherd (30:29)

Well, again, I'm asking him to be a. I'm not asking him to be a starter. I'm just saying as a backup. Like Danny Jones. Danny Daniel Jones as a backup is outstanding. My, my. Have a rule on backups. If the starter's out two games, can you win one? If the starter's out five games, can you win two? If you can win three out of five, you're probably a lower end starter. But, but, but, you know, it happens all the time. Starters out for a month. Can you win half the game?

Jason McIntyre (31:02)

So Malik Willis Comes in for the Packers.

Colin Cowherd (31:04)

He's a very.

Jason McIntyre (31:05)

Everybody was betting against that, but he.

Colin Cowherd (31:07)

Was a very good backup, we learned. Not a franchise.

Jason McIntyre (31:10)

Great game plan.

Colin Cowherd (31:11)

Great backup. It worked.

Jason McIntyre (31:12)

They won. I. I'm wondering, Reed would have ample time to give an install to Carson Wentz.

Colin Cowherd (31:18)

Of course. Right. Yes. Yeah, I think. I think Kansas City's the play. Also warm weather. Dome team go to Kansas City. Sorry.

Jason McIntyre (31:29)

By the way, have you been checking the weather on the college football playoff games?

Colin Cowherd (31:34)

No, I mean the, The Ohio State game. What are we talking. We'll be talking about Notre Dame, Indiana. Is it a snowstorm?

Steve Covino (31:39)

Don't.

Jason McIntyre (31:39)

Don't bet those games unless. Unless you've seen the weather reports. Yes, for sure. So I'm curious what, you know, Kansas City in late December, going to be chilly for.

Colin Cowherd (31:47)

You're right.

Jason McIntyre (31:47)

The indoor Houston Texans. Interesting game. Probably have more on that Friday. We'll see. Next up. Oh, it's the Cowboys. Yes, of course. Micah Parsons future in Dallas. We're not going to call it limbo, but it's. It's deserving of discussion. Steven Jones had some comments, and now Jerry Jones wanted to clarify his son's comments and how the team feels about their star edge rusher.

Colin Cowherd (32:09)

He did not in any way say that Michael Parsons was at issue looking ahead at the future at all. He did not say that. And, and by the way, I didn't hear what he said or I have not read what he said, but I know he didn't say that because that's never been uttered in this organization, that we don't have a future with Michael Parsons. Okay.

Jason McIntyre (32:38)

So all these people listening to the show on the younger side.

Colin Cowherd (32:42)

Right.

Jason McIntyre (32:42)

When you're hanging out with your grandpa at Christmas next week, look at him and think, oh, that's probably what Jerry Jones is like, because that's. Listen to that interview, Colin. He's giving a radio interview about Micah Parsons, who isn't even a free agent. Or like, I just, I don't understand this at all, this need for him to talk to the media all the time. It's just puzzling.

Colin Cowherd (33:03)

Yeah, well, it's.

Jason McIntyre (33:04)

It's, you know, it's great fodder for the show.

Colin Cowherd (33:06)

Well, Jimmy Johnson, you know, it's funny. Jerry didn't do this the first two to three years when he was building the business.

Jason McIntyre (33:12)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (33:12)

In fact, the only time he showed up to practice was at the end of practice when the media showed up with the cameras. And then Jerry Jones would show up for the cameras. But when he was building the business, you didn't see him around doing all these radio interviews. But at some point, Jerry liked talking and. And this is what they are. It's weird. I kind of feel like. I think Cowboy fans, a lot of times in our business, if we don't love a team, the fans are very critical of us. Like Niner fans. Can't believe I don't love Brock Purdy. It's like, dude, last 14 games. Look at the record, look at the numbers. Look at him against the best teams this year. But I think Cowboy fans have come to a conclusion that this was inevitable. And right now they're dysfunctional. And. And when you look at Philadelphia and you look at Dallas, how many Cowboys start. Now that Zach Martin's banged up, how many Cowboys start for the Eagles? CD Lamb, probably Micah, their kicker and maybe one of their corners. I mean, there's just not many Cowboys that start for Philadelphia.

Jason McIntyre (34:13)

Let's remember this is a team, I believe three straight years, they had 11 victories or more. They were in the playoffs. Like this was a team that was riding high. They got old and bad fast.

Colin Cowherd (34:23)

Yes. And, you know, just. I don't know. I keep using the Lakers, Cowboys bigger brands than reality, but I feel the same way with the Lakers. I mean, Dalton Connect can't defend Austin reaves is your second, third best player. LeBron took a week off. He's not the same like these big brands. I just, I guess I think it's predictable. I think they have both Cowboys and the Lakers have too many family members in the building.

Jason McIntyre (34:50)

Well, the Lakers were extinguished. Was it? They lost to the Nuggets in the playoffs.

Colin Cowherd (34:55)

Was it?

Jason McIntyre (34:56)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (34:56)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (34:57)

Dallas that lost to the Packers. Still inexplicable. It feels like everything has gone wrong.

Colin Cowherd (35:02)

That was the turning point. Yeah. When they got blown out at home, that game was over in the second quarter. That was the moment. You had to be honest about Dak and the Cowboys. We are no longer even in the conference championship discussion. Forget the bubble for the super bowl when they got blown out at home, it's like, okay, this team is now. This is not a team capable of winning two playoff games. Maybe one at home, not two.

Jason McIntyre (35:26)

Just unbelievable how quickly they follow.

Colin Cowherd (35:28)

Final story.

Jason McIntyre (35:29)

Colin is the Detroit Lions and the injuries. Oh, they're mounting. It's really ugly. I saw they have a NFL high, 22 players on IR this season. Nobody's even close to that. David Montgomery is the latest casualty. Season ending mcl T. Now Jir Gibbs has to step up as the workhorse back and Dan Campbell says he can.

Colin Cowherd (35:49)

Handle it, we got a, we got.

Steve Covino (35:51)

A lot of confidence in Gibbs. You know, he's continuing to get better and better as the season's gone and you know, and when given the opportunities, made a lot of plays, man, he made some big plays for us yesterday. You know, he, he is, brings the explosive element. He's getting better in the pass game and, and then you see what he, he's able to do on the run game. So we have a ton of confidence.

Colin Cowherd (36:15)

I don't worry about their offense. That, that part doesn't worry me. I am, I am deeply worried about defense. What do they have 18 guys in the IR?

Jason McIntyre (36:24)

I mean, it's very difficult. I'll say this about Jameer Gibbs. Like, I'm not keen on drafting running backs early. This guy's an awesome football player. He is really fun.

Colin Cowherd (36:33)

I mean, and so. And Bijan Robinson isn't as quite as twitchy as Gibbs, but if you put.

Jason McIntyre (36:38)

Bijan in the Detroit offense.

Colin Cowherd (36:40)

Okay. And the other thing is we only get about one running back drafted in the first round every other year. Most of them hit. The kid from Boise State would star behind a decent O line. Saquon hit. Zeke, hit. I think Bijan Robinson is very good in getting better. I know everybody's very reluctant to draft first round running backs, but it's that scarcity of great ones that almost ensures that it works. I mean, I mean, Kajana Carter was going to be great. He got Penn State guy. He got hurt early in his career. Adrian Peterson, first round. Christian McAffrey, first round. I mean, most of the first round running backs feel like they hit to.

Jason McIntyre (37:19)

Me now the one thing about Gibbs is he's like, he's the lightning to Montgomery's thunder.

Colin Cowherd (37:24)

He's not.

Jason McIntyre (37:24)

Staff found a good stat that Gibbs has 25 or more touches just once in 29 NFL careers.

Colin Cowherd (37:31)

That's not what he is.

Jason McIntyre (37:32)

So he's not.

Colin Cowherd (37:33)

He.

Jason McIntyre (37:33)

Yeah, it's tough now. Listen, I have him on my fantasy team. He's carried me to the semi finals. I'm what every week. This guy is just explosive as hell. I don't know though, if you can. Is he a 20 carry guy and then 8 to 10.

Colin Cowherd (37:46)

Well, he's not a 20 carry guy in three or four straight playoff games. That's not what he is.

Jason McIntyre (37:50)

No way. So I don't know where they, I don't know what they turn to here. It just stinks, man, because this Lions team was fun. You know, as a Jets fan, we're not stiff at the playoffs. I was riding with the Lions. Now I think I have to ride with the Buffalo Bills.

Colin Cowherd (38:03)

I think Philadelphia is going to the super bowl, and I only think one team can beat him.

Jason McIntyre (38:08)

Packers.

Colin Cowherd (38:10)

No, I. No, I think Philadelphia is going to the Super Bowl. I think Kansas City and maybe Buffalo could beat him. If Philadelphia gets to the super bowl against anybody other than Mahomes or Allen, it's going to be ugly. It'll be a blowout Super Bowl. I still think it's so great that Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold.

Jason McIntyre (38:29)

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Jason McIntyre (38:34)

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J Mac with the News well, that's.

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All right. By the way, I watched first 12 minutes of Enigma on Netflix with Aaron Rogers documentary. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this kind of memo to Hollywood people and pro athletes. I'm generally not that interested in your journeys. I'm interested in your movies and your games. Michael Jordan was different. He's very private. There was a lot about Michael Jordan I didn't know. So that was fascinating. With Aaron, I've seen his feet. So basically my take is he turned in his playbook for a summer and picked up some shrooms. I don't know if that's a journey or a midlife crisis. I mean, he went to Berkeley. He's probably the last guy in his graduating class that took shrooms. I didn't know what to make of it. Like again, self exploration. I'm happy for people who do it. It doesn't necessarily fascinate me. You know, he got high, you know, and was having a good time. It is what it is. I don't. I like when people overcome obstacles. I do feel, and I think I'm being fair here, Aaron has created some of his own obstacles. You know, with Michael Jordan, there's the death of his father. He was so big iconically that he just retired. The pressure. He came back. He tried baseball. There were the Rodman years. He didn't get along with the general manager. There was a. I never felt like, like Michael created the obstacles. And also there's timing. Michael is kind of mythical. Aaron's still playing. He's not very good. And if the team was great, it would be more interesting. I think you should probably watch it. It didn't move me and the people who did it are very talented. But I tried twice to watch it and I don't know what to say. I think Ian O'Connor's book, all the Background I Wanted, that was fascinating. I would read that. Into the Darkness with Aaron Rodgers by Ian O'Connor. That's fascinating book. I tend to like documentaries and Books on, on athletes. But I feel like Aaron's story has been told. The difficulty with his parents. I get it. Like not everybody gets along with mom and dad. Like I get it. I have sympathy for it. But you know, watch it. I tried. It didn't. It didn't work for me. So I thought it was interesting. Urban Meyer so starting Friday, Notre Dame hosting Indiana. Weather's a huge issue this weekend in college football. So these warm weather teams like Tennessee going to play in Columbus, I just don't plan that weather. I think for years and years Big Ten teams complain they had to go down closer to SEC school. So the fans, you know, all had to travel. I think the SEC warm weather teams going cold could be interesting. I do like Ohio State to win, although I picked Tennessee to win the Natty. But if it was played in down south in Knoxville, I would take the upset. I would take, I would take the balls. It was interesting. I just don't. I have questions about Belichick working in college. I thought it was interesting that Urban Meyer said earlier on this show it actually may be easier for Urban Meyer in college now.

Steve Covino (46:41)

I know coach very well went to many times up to the Patriots and what amazed me was how smart he was and he adapts and he can get things done. It's a much different game that me and you knew. The days are gone when you have to write all the emails or not emails, text messages and handwritten notes and, and talking to the players, girlfriends as aunt, you know, the, the high school social studies teacher, the, the assistant strength coach is going to help you get it in. In the school. That's all gone. So it's a much different, you know, if there was a time for Coach Belichick to go to college, it's now, I would say 10 years ago, five years ago. It would be a real struggle because it's just something he's never done.

Colin Cowherd (47:24)

Yeah, it's an interesting perspective. What's really going to be fascinating and we will probably hear this story trickle out when Charlie Weiss, NFL guy, kind of rough around the edges, went to Notre Dame, didn't have a transfer portal. Charlie wore people out. His personality, it is what it is. I think he's a nice guy, but it was rough. And Mike Lombardi and Belichick, they'll probably bring like a Joe Judge in and a Matt Patricia. Those are NFL guys. This is going to be a strictly NFL model. So I don't know how that's going to work in an athletic department. I still contend Belichick Wanted a pro football job and they turned their eye to him. So, you know, somebody's going to pay a bunch of money. Why not? I don't know. We'll see how it works. I just. It's not that he can't coach. It's not that the portal won't work. It's that you got to do a lot of glad handing in the college game. You know Mark Rick, the former Hurricanes in Georgia coach? I asked him once about recruiting and I was. I was actually at the other place and I was in the hallway and he was. He was going to come on later in my show and during a break I went over and talked to him and I said, you're a great recruiter. What's is. What's the secret? And I never forget this. Mark Rick said, you just got to show them more love than the last coach. That doesn't feel like something Belichick would pivot to easily. And even today, even though it's paying, that's a sign of love. You have to show love. I don't know. I'm interested. The other thing. So that Urban Meyer sort of changed my perspective on it. He thinks it's easier now. I thought Danny Parkins did a really good job an hour ago. So I think Mike Frable's the guy I would hire in Chicago. I think it's the guy that works. But I thought Danny Parkins had an interesting perspective on why Joe Brady, who's never been a head coach, even in high school, maybe he's getting mentioned, may be a better fit. I think that this was. I want a coach in the NFL. Only one team showed interest last year. It was Atlanta. I lost out on that to Raheem Morris. Is anyone, is any NFL team going to give him the power and the control that he craves? I want him in the NFL. I think he should be in the NFL. I think it's way more interesting. Yeah, that wasn't done. But I think one of the things he also talked about is that if you look at Vrabel, how it ended in Chicago, there was a bit of a power struggle. And that is true. There was a big power struggle. And Vrabel is going to want control. Well, Kevin Warren I don't think is a guy that wants to relinquish that. And so this was an issue with Belichick in New England. What happens to a lot of these coaches? Coaches make a lot more money than general managers. Right. So in the room, when the coach walks in, outside of the quarterback, he's the biggest star in the building. Quarterback one, coach two. Mean your Sean McDermott's. They're making 8, 9, 10 million up. Outside of Josh Allen, they have the most power. And so what happens is Vrabel's making a lot of money. The GM is making one third of it. Vrabel's popular, he's winning. The fans like him, and he wants more say in personnel. And in Tennessee, it went sideways. That's what happened to Belichick, by the way, happened to Pete Carroll. In Seattle, Paul Allen died. There was a leadership vacuum. Pete wanted more control. John Snyder, the gm, very smart, said, I'm out of here. I'm going to Detroit. They brought him back. He took control of the drafts. And the Seahawks hit back to back great drafts when John Snyder was again controlling them. So this is a power struggle. And I've talked to guys in this league, I've talked to GMs in the league. Howie Roseman in Philadelphia is one of the only GMs in the league. He may be the only one who has the most power in the building. Howie Roseman's got way more power than Nick Ceriani and. And even the other really, really good GMs, coaches. The star owner pulls all the strings. So GMs get caught in the middle from crazy, impulsive owner and rock star head coach. Now, Brett Veach is lucky in Kansas City because Andy Reid doesn't want to deal with all that personnel. He's going to do what he's going to do. But GM is, you can't major in it in college. Chris Ballard's got an impulsive owner. My buddy Tom Telesco got Mark Davis. It's. It's hard. And so Howie Roseman's it. He has all the control. So if you go to Chicago, I think what I've been told, and I talked to Mike about this, it's a little bit who's pulling all the strings here. I know I'm not the owner, but do I have to deal with a president and a GM who's controlling stuff? Because Vrabel's sensitive to that, because he lost that in Tennessee. He had a power struggle. They started losing games. He lost some of that. And so he's sensitive to it. It's like Bill Belichick, you know, Bill Belichick, you know, he. There are certain things he wants, and he wants control. Pete Carroll wanted control. You know, like Mike Tomlin, he has a say. But basically, the Steelers are so good at drafting and developing. Same with Matt LaFleur. Matt LaFleur and Tomlin, they get a say. But the front offices of those organizations, packers and Steelers, do a very good job in drafting and developing. So you trust them. Yeah. McVeigh's got the control over Les. Neat. McVeigh makes the ultimate call that that part. I mean Les needs got a great staff, but if Sean wants something, Sean's getting something. All right. Julian Edelman will stop by an hour. Number three. It is interesting though, Gronk and Edelman and Brady have all sort of, sort of said, yeah, I don't know if this is going to work in college. Like I will say this for Belichick. He's got a lot of doubters. Even people he was close to, he got a lot of doubters. J Max got him in the Natty next year. So that's a whole different ball game.

Jason McIntyre (53:22)

I can't wait to see Edelman here and in whenever he comes by. Belichick's going to the playoff next year. Lock it up cowherd. I got my college college football picks in, you got yours in.

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