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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
It was maybe a supplement or something.
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Colin Cowherd
No, it's. It's. I'm not a big tradition guy. I didn't go to church as a kid and a lot of people did, so I've never been a big romantic about sports. So I saw something interesting this morning, and with that, I would like to introduce America to a pillar of decency, a standard of honesty and truth telling that is unrivaled in America. The LA Times, who now becomes the second media juggernaut in America, me being the other that thinks the Notre Dame USC rivalry isn't the beginning and the end of college football. It's just another cool game, The LA Times in one of their graphs said this morning USC is choosing to take the cold, calculated route when it comes to this quandary whether to play Notre Dame or not. I understand why. Why should the Trojans be expected to carry the water for the soul of college football at the cost of their own playoff odds, while the rest of the sports leaders, USC's own included, have made clear how much tradition really actually means to them. Yeah, the Pac 12 folded. You can pay high school players. Stop with this almost hackneyed sentimentality. The world changes. Everything else is changing. You can deny AI is going to change the world, but as you do it. Just autocorrected a text and I know your grandma would prefer a letter, so would Gramps, but they're going to get an emoji and FaceTime. That's the world we live in. Yeah, I know. Once USC played in a conference that had games against Cal and Arizona and Arizona State and Stanford, which often is awful and sometimes is interesting, and Washington State and Oregon State and the only power consistently was Oregon. But now Oregon joined them and now they play Penn State and Michigan and Ohio State and in fact the three teams from the west that join them, ucla, Oregon and Washington, are their biggest, toughest rivals. Two of them cold weather games. So yeah, USC has said we'll play the game, but on our terms, early where it's sunny. And I don't blame them. Lincoln Riley is paid to get to the playoffs, not cling to tradition. And I said this yesterday, a November roadie in South Bend, Indiana is not attractive when the following week, after going to South Bend, flying back to LA with 19 year olds, flying back to Philadelphia, flying back home, you still have a tournament, a playoff to be in potentially. So it's a different ball game. And college football is always had. I've looked at the demographics for years. It has an older fan base and older people in America generally cling to tradition. I get it. The number one question I am asked, I was asked on the train this morning, the number one question I get asked, what do you make of college sports? And my take is it's changing. So is everything. AI is going to change medicine, it's changing law. He was an attorney. It's changing everything. So it can change college football. I think it's changing the NIL is changing college basketball for the better. You just have to understand now is the college football is now 75% a professional model and it's not going backwards. Once you introduce big money into anything, it doesn't go backwards, it doesn't retreat. And so if USC plays Notre Dame, great, but USC doesn't need Notre Dame. Notre Dame refusing to go in a true conference, needs usc. So the pendulum at this time in negotiations has swung to usc. I know it's not valiant, as the LA Times also pointed out. It doesn't show great courage or it's not a valiant move, but it makes sense. Lincoln's paid to get to the playoff, not to cling to games. That frankly, the biggest rating for college football last year, I think was Texas and Georgia. It wasn't Texas and Oklahoma. Here's Lincoln Riley on the changes that are happening to his sport.
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Nick Wright
There are some changes that, that we've all just got to accept because it's.
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Colin Cowherd
Just part of it right now.
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Nick Wright
Obviously, that continues to move and we'll see how it evolves. But I think any door that closes, well, there's also a new, really exciting door that's getting opened and we've got.
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Colin Cowherd
A. I think we can still love what was in the past. But.
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Nick Wright
But let's don't miss that.
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Colin Cowherd
There's some, like, pretty cool things happening right in front of our face right.
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Nick Wright
Now that we're kind of all in the forefront of.
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Colin Cowherd
If you're telling me USC is playing Penn State tomorrow, I'm watching. And Michigan and Ohio State and Oregon and Georgia and Texas. I'm watching. I don't think it's worth sacrificing another cold weather roadie in November to appeal to traditionalists. You're not paid for courage. You're paid for winning. That's the bottom line with that. Nick Wright joining us live from New York host, First things first. Okay, so there's a lot of pushback on sga, and I made this argument an hour ago is that style matters in basketball. You know, baseball's about stats, NBA to some degree, winning matters, but it's about style. And people forever defended really flawed players in Westbrook and Derrick Rose and John Wall and Stevie Francis. They were dynamic and fun. And because Jokic or especially SGA is not a lot of fun to watch, we hammer on him, but he is so consistently brilliant at what he does using his lane, three pointers, two points, mid range free throws, that it's like guys. And the other thing, Nick, is when he scores 40 and 30, it connects to wins. He's not a selfish player. It means they win. Kobe could score 40 and the Lakers were a worse team. Are you in this sort of, this kind of tunnel of criticism? I have not heard enough to make a. No, I just see a pro, a refined pro. That's what I see.
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Nick Wright
Well, first of all, you break my heart. You go to Chicago, ride the train. Don't have time to listen to my takes anymore. You have no idea where I stand on sga. It's unbelievable. It's well Established but so let me listen. I think both can be true. Colin and I think he was the rightful mvp. I don't have a vote but if I did I would have given it to him. He won the MVP by a decent margin over a player a lot of people believe is one of the 15 greatest players ever still in his prime. He almost won the MVP last year. He is getting the idea that SGA is not appreciated. I don't think is accurate. That can be true. While this can also be true, the falling on the ground like you were shot is unappealing. And I think that there is a. It is consistent throughout recent NBA history that the guys who we feel like not just cell contact but invent fake contact to get a call, we recoil from that a bit. I think SGA is a brilliant player. I think SGA is clearly going to not only win his first championship this year but win a finals MVP this year. Last night 49 and 10. That type of performance to in my opinion get over the last hurdle. The Thunder really have to winning a championship was an all time night. I can believe all of that while also believing he would be a slightly more popular player if he didn't three times a game fall over without anyone touching him and another two or three times a game do the harden hook a guy's arm and create the contact. That way it can be and this last point I'll make on it. You don't get everything in life and if one of the things you say that SGA gets that other guys don't is some of these calls. So one of the things he sacrifices to get that might be universal approval rating such as life like people make their choices. He is a brilliant, brilliant player and that team's going to win the championship.
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Colin Cowherd
I want to talk Ant for a second. I believe artists, most artists at their core want to be heard and seen. It could be a painter, you could be a basketball player, you could be a talk show host. That we're all selfish to some degree. But now we live in this world of collaboration and sharing and all getting along. And it's my knock on Jayson Tatum. Stop being collaborative. Take the game over. And Ant last night's like, well, I didn't get a lot of shots. I don't want to hear that you can't have one shot in the first quarter like be selfish. Michael was selfish. Magic Bird at times. Mikhail, watch me perform. Michael Scotty, I'll take the shots. This idea like Tatum and Ant are both more collaborative and great teammates. It Hurts the team. I want you to be selfish at times. Is that a bad take?
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Nick Wright
Well, no, I don't think it's a bad take. Last night's game is odd though because they scored 126 points. They scored 40 in the fourth quarter. Their problem was not their offense. Their problem was they couldn't get a stop. And OKC's big three, the stat of the day for you Colin, is this the big three in Oklahoma City last night scored more points combined in a playoff game than Katie, Russ and Harden ever did. They scored 95 like that. That's why Minnesota lost now. So I understand what Ant is saying, but the obvious retort is okay, that's fine. You can't take two shots in the first half of a must win game. You just can't. And it's not as if it happened because he had 17 assists like he was doing a good job making the right read. But we have seen at various times where he can get somewhat taken out of the game by a defensive scheme in a way that a guy who's a potential one day mvp, you wish he wouldn't with the obvious defensive ants at all times is he's 23. Like this is the next step in his learning process. It is a bummer that it would appear in back to back years they, you know, outplayed their seed. They had a pretty big upsets along the way to the conference finals. And then in back to back conference finals Ant was not quite at his best but he is still ahead of schedule for what he has individually and his team have accomplished at this point in his career.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I said earlier, go Back to the 80s, Michael played the Pistons, a great defensive team and he had bad halves like it's part of the maturation stage. So you know we got into a discussion yesterday is that I understand a New York star. I mean if Aaron Judge played with the Royals he would be great. We wouldn't talk about him if Ohtani was with the angel.
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Nick Wright
Bobby Witt Jr. Erasure. I mean I'm not going to allow you to do that future face of baseball, Bobby baseball in Kansas City. But go ahead.
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Colin Cowherd
Sorry.
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Nick Wright
As you were.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean Ohtani with the Dodgers is different. You know, 10 miles up the road from Ohtani with the Angels. And so I understand Brunson is the best quarterback in New York. But we got into this thing yesterday where you can't now have Brunson on the court with Cat. It's, it's a defensive problem and he's very ball centric so you have to find the right players like a KD that can catch and shoot. And I said, if you're asking me tomorrow who I would start my franchise with, Brunson or Halliburton. Halliburton can play with anybody. He's effective when he's not scoring. He's a better defensive player. He can also shoot, but I could put him with any. I always felt this about like Klay Thompson. He would have fit on every team KD like that. When LeBron's with your team, he is the ecosystem. Brunson's not LeBron. But as I watch Brunson, I think it's been a really good tell that Cat's not going to be the future and that KD fits better and that Halliburton has a brighter future because he works with every player. Everybody works with Halliburton. Brunson is player and style specific.
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Nick Wright
Okay, so that's. There's a lot there. So I understand your point about that. Halliburton can fit, you know, play better with others, so to speak. I still don't think he's a better player than Jalen Brunson and I. It's close, but I still think Jalen Brunson ceiling and upside is higher. And I owe. When you listen, you're right that Halliburton is a better defender, but that, I mean, Halliburton is not exactly locking anyone down like that. Brunson is a minus defender, maybe a minus minus defender and Halliburton is just a slightly minus defender. He's not doing a lot of the defensive work for Indiana. And listen, Halliburton is a better distributor, but Brunson is a far better scorer. I don't put the. The Halliburton, I'm sorry, the Brunson Cat struggles at times when they're on the court together. Primarily on Jalen Brunson. I put it more on Cat and I think Kat needs to be more assertive with the ball at times. I also think it is smart if Tom Thibodeau would stagger them a bit more than he does. And when Cat is out there without Brunson, he has to look at it as these are my shots, this is my offense, and that doesn't necessarily just mean shooting threes, even though he's a great three point shooter. My biggest disagreement with you is this, like if you're the New York Knicks, you cannot trade Karl Anthony Towns for Kevin Durant. Like Kevin. Kevin Durant. I understand your point. That do I think like in a vacuum, that style of player would fit better with Jalen Brunson, a guy who's just catch and shoot and has already been in an offense where he is the epicenter, where he's not the epicenter, all that. I get that. But just because KD is going to be 38 and is not injury wise reliable, I wouldn't do it. I also think people have written the Knicks obituary too early. I think the Knicks are going to win tonight and I still think they are going to win this series. And I think that if that happens, we might look at it like, all right, the Pacers obviously underrated by a lot of us throughout the year, back to back conference finalists, but we might maybe got a little ahead of ourselves anointing them as the future of the Eastern Conference.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, we. I said this yesterday. There was. There's a couple of sound bites where Aaron Rodgers said, I'm not going to play in Louisiana, I'm not going to be a saint. So where he plays matters, clearly. He's also been quoted saying, or a source close to him saying, he. No, I think he said it. I'd play for $10 million. So money's not driving force. Yeah. So location matters, money doesn't. And then he recently said he was at a kind of a Q and A, that, yeah, I go back to Green Bay. Well, that means you don't even see yourself necessarily. You'd go back to family and not even be a starter. So all of it feels like to me he's an inch from retirement. That said, I don't count passer rating. Tua's Garoppolo's is higher than Josh Allen. Manning and Brady take passer rating out. It's nonsense. It doesn't mean anything. Russell Wilson's is a mile higher than and Kurt Warner and Brady and Manning and Big Ben and Josh Allen. It doesn't matter now. Mahomes is great, it can matter, but it's not a defining trait. And I said, if Aaron retired today, he is my Dan Marino. What do I do? Basketball style, baseball stats, football's winning. Aaron's got one iconic playoff moment. I don't know if Marino has any. What do I do for a one appearance in the Super Bowl 500 playoff guy? The MVPs matter some. Where do we classify Aaron all time in your opinion?
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Nick Wright
I don't. I think we'll agree on this. Outside of the top five. Inside the top ten?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I don't know.
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Nick Wright
I. Oh, you don't think he's top 10 all time.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, I think he's out of it. I think favre is like 9 to 10.
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Nick Wright
Okay, so then can we this kind of off top of my head but like let's just go tell me. Here are the guys I would clearly have ahead of Aaron. Okay. Brady, Mahomes, Montana, Elway. I would have Marino ahead of Aaron.
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Colin Cowherd
Peyton.
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Nick Wright
There's one obvious one. Oh, I'm sorry, did I not say Peyton? Yes. Peyton. Yes. I knew there was an obvious one. I'm leaving. So there are my six. I am ahead of him. Okay, go ahead.
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Colin Cowherd
Terry Bradshaw. I mean how many times do you have to win the Super Bowl? How about Aikman's got three Super Bowls. I mean that has to be more than regular season.
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Nick Wright
Hold on. I love. Well but so this is a tr. I love Troy. Troy is not better player than Aaron Rodgers. And Troy had. I mean Troy was. Troy was an excellent quarterback on an all time team. I don't. I personally can't put Troy ahead of Aaron. I also though the Terry to me is on that same tier. Like let me ask you this because this is. And I'm not at you know, Aaron's last five years I think have you know, left a lot of us wanting a lot on and off the field. But do you think Aaron Rod like Aaron versus Drew Brees? I feel like you have to put Aaron ahead of him. Like they, they both have. Tell me.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think it's inches but I would put Aaron ahead of Brees by an inch. But I don't put Breeze as a top 10 guy because I think you. I think Mahomes has knocked several players out of it. I was always an Aaron guy over a Favre guy. I think he's a smarter player and he's, he's more on schedule. But I think what happened to Aaron is once Brady. I've told you this before. When Brady and Manning started compiling trophies, Aaron got overly protective of his passer rating and became a much more a safer player in big games. He started playing to protect his passer rating. And that to me is started the downward trend in big games. If he had a pick, if he had two, he just wouldn't make certain throws. And I think that's the last seven to eight years.
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Nick Wright
Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I think that's right. And I will give you credit that you, when you and I first got to know each other, you were making a similar point and I thought you were crazy. And I've come around more to your side of Things I still think that Bradshaw, Staubach, Favre, Rogers are all to me in that, you know, of them. Again, I'm not going to do unitis and ball and those. I don't know how to do those. If we just basically go Bart Starr, like, since the merger, I think there are, to me, six guys I would clearly have ahead of Aaron and then five or six guys, he's right there with them. And the Marino part is tricky because you're right, he's got none of the winning. But the flip side to that is literally every person that covered the league in the 80s or played, they all swear a blood oath that he's one of the greatest players anyone's ever seen. And so I. And I feel like there is some of that same almost mythological aspect to Aaron, which is guys who played with him and against him talk about his talent in such an amazing way. I also would ask this before we move on, I Would he firmly be looked at as top 10, even if it's 10th, if he had simply retired after his last year in Green Bay. Is it everything that's happened the last couple years, has that hurt him? I don't know. You say no.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, no. Because I watched Michael Jordan play for the Wizards. I went to one of those games, maybe two, and it doesn't matter. And I think. I mean, unit is ended up. I swear on the West Coast, I don't think it matters. I think we take. I mean, I've said this before. Marlon Brando had, like, six legendary movies and eight bombs. Tom Cruise was in Vanilla sky and Rock of Ages with. We look at your greatest work. We don't. We. I mean, Tom Cruise couldn't figure out he was just an action star until six years ago when he finally figured out this is what people like. No, I love Tom Cruise. But. But, I mean, he. When he finally came to terms with the more I run, the more people love me, the more stuff I do stunts, the more they love me. And he was always a good actor, but it was like he had. It takes time to define what you are as an artist. And when he did, he was great. And I. And I. I think I look at Aaron and Marino and I'm like, what are the moments?
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Nick Wright
I don't have a lot fair. That part's fair. Also, Last point on this. I'm glad. Good for you. That you were able to watch those Jordan games with the wizards because the NBA's burned the film a bit so nobody else can watch them. That was one of. That was like wilt 100 point game. You had to be there in the stadium that moment. If you want to see anything about it.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, one more question.
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Nick Wright
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
The Caitlin Clark stuff is amazing. I was talking to Danny Parkins about this and there's all sorts of things that get. People are getting worked up over. But here is the one thing beyond that. Merchandise sales went up 500%. The valuation of the team, an awful team that had the number one pick went from 90 million to 340 million. I think her only computer is Tiger Woods. I don't even think Michael and LeBron match this. This is a sport we didn't watch. And now I find myself, I was hanging out with family this weekend and a bunch of the college kids were there and they're like, oh, if Caitlin Clark's on, that's what the frat's watching over everything. I don't even know. I mean, I, I think we're underselling her impact. What say you?
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Nick Wright
Well, listen, I mean I, I guess it, you know, depending on who you're talking to, if it's undersold. I think you're right that it is. Tiger woods is the best comp in that it took a sport that was incredibly popular amongst a small segment of the population and one person made it seemingly mainstream. And this is where I would encourage people who are big time pre Caitlin Clark, WNBA fans or women's basketball fans to embrace this rather than push back against it. Do you know who the biggest beneficiaries of Tiger woods were? Other golfers. Ronnie Ells and Sergio Garcia and Phil Mickelson and David Duvall and all. And these folks who became bigger celebrities and wealthier and more popular because there were more people coming to the party. I think, you know, one of the biggest winners from Caitlin Clark is going to be Asia Wilson, who is still the best player in the sport. I think Paige Beckers, who. It could be a real rivalry with Caitlin Clark over the next decade. She's a winner from this. I think there is. I know people have tried to force and understandably so Caitlin versus Angel. The problem is like right now, angel is a very good defensive player and good rebounder. She is not a great player yet. And so Caitlin's real rivalry is going to be with the other great players. But it's going to be so good for everyone associated with the sport. And so it's going to be great for the defending champion New York Liberty. And so there are, there are a lot of complicated things surrounding the wnba. This one is not One of them. Having a supernova celebrity be awesome at your sport and bringing more people to the party is good for everyone in the sport.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, it's interesting. I remember Marco Mira was one of the first golfers that really befriended. Befriended Tiger and is like, guys, this is really good. And it took Mark o' Meara, a veteran smart guy, to say like, hey, guys, stop the pushback. I'm waiting for the WNBA star in the league to come out and just say, guys, ladies, what are we doing here? And it may take that because I think you remember. I can remember being a sportscaster and, and get complaints all the time. All you guys talk is Tiger. And I'm like, have you watched him? Do you see what's happening? He's like, incredible. So I do think what could really be helpful for Caitlin is getting some peer and like an Asian Wolf level player. Let's get five or six in the league that just say, guys, we gotta be. We're crazy here. We're all flying private now.
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Nick Wright
Well, and I think, listen, I. Cause Caitlin came out with some kind of off the court social commentary. I think after last year that I think really in a positive way struck a chord with some of the veterans in the league. And I know Asia Wilson did come out and say how much that mattered. I think it's tricky when it is, yes, it is a rising tide aspect, but then it is also a. But you're not yet better than me and you're young and so like there. I understand the competitive rivalries, pieces of it, but it is great for the sport and it's great for sports fans. Like, as I learned just from being at Indy this past week, the more cool events we have that are well produced, that are championship level, that millions of people are into, the better it is for everyone. It's just more fun. And so I think it's all positive.
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Colin Cowherd
Nick Wright, first things first. Good seeing you, buddy.
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Nick Wright
See you, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's, you know, I've heard this pushback. Well, Caitlin's not the best WNBA player. Well, Steph's not the best NBA player and never has been, but he's the most interesting and affected the most change. You don't have to be, you know, the best actor to be the most popular. Right? Like Tom Cruise is the most popular actor in America. Is he the best actor? Well, he's really good. I don't, you know, I'm not an artist. I don't know how he's judged. He's never won an Oscar. He's won a lot of Golden Globes. So I don't think Caitlin there. I mean this is just the way it works. Like Conor McGregor, Tiger was the best golfer and the most popular and Conor McGregor, I think Jon Jones is a better all time fighter but Conor was the most popular and most polarizing and maybe was the second or third best fighter. But I don't think that diminishes what Caitlin Clark's doing. Not being the best player, she's the best guard. And in a recent anonymous poll, more GMs in that space, that league. The WNBA would start their franchise with her in Chicago. It's the Herd Want more Heard the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
It's going up here in the last couple hours so a Lot of people think the Pacers bounce back. I've got some numbers. I'm writing it. I just wrote it up for foxsports.com I like the Knicks tonight.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, J. Mac with a new.
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Nick Wright
No, no, no, no.
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J. Mac
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
Colin, we're going to start with the NFL and the Buffalo Bills. We know they're favored obviously in the AFC east, but you and a lot of people seem to like the New England Patriots. Our staff put together an interesting tidbit. Check out all these new additions. Obviously, besides the head coach and the offensive coordinator, I did not realize. I know they spent like drunken sailors in free agency, but look at how many potential starters they added, Colin. I mean, we know Diggs is going to start coming off the injury. Should be good. Matt Collins is going to be a valuable addition for them. They, they steal Morgan Moses from the Jets. They got a new center, Bradbury, I believe from Minnesota. This team may have like eight or nine new starters, so there could be a little lag time in them gelling early, but I do believe they will come on strong and be a contender for a wild card spot.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I don't think they're a great team. I think there's about six, six teams every year to seven that can play for the championship. But, but, but like, I mean, last year is a great example. Denver made the playoffs. We didn't, we didn't see them as a team that was a viable conference championship contender. That's not going to be New England. But coaching stability, elevation of a young quarterback and line play will be noticeably better. They'll be, they'll be at least competent offensively, and they were not last year.
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J. Mac
You know, the worst part about this is as a Jets fan, for my entire life, there was a window when Brady left. Yeah, he's gone, baby. Here we come. It's jets time. And the jets had a window. They had Salah, they had Rogers. That thing closed so damn quickly. What do they say? When God closes a door, he opens a window. I mean, it didn't happen for the Jets. Nothing opened up it like it didn't happen. And Colin, I hate to say it, but Aaron, Glenn, there's. People don't want to say there's pressure on him, but if the Patriots suddenly vault up to nine or 10 wins.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, they will.
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J. Mac
With a young quarterback on a rookie deal and Vrabel, it's like we're screwed again.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, if you look, I mean, and this always happens. That's why it matters. If you're a well run business because dynasties are formed, there's all time great performers, coaches and businesses. You may have 16 to 20 months to take advantage of a situation a Peyton Manning gets hurt, Brady leaves town and the jets are not well run. So they're not, they're not like I, there are opportunities like Minnesota right now, May Jokic gets hurt, maybe SGA gets hurt. And they're, they're good enough and well run and well coached enough. With Conner Lee the GM and Chris Finch and Ant, you could look at Minnesota saying they're probably never going to be champs. But they're built if there was a key injury that they would be ready and catapulted to championship level. If you're well built, you still may never win a title. But you're in the running if you get a break like, like, you know, prime example is Phil Mickelson was always capable of winning a major. Tiger was there. But if Tiger gets hurt, Tiger misses a major, Tiger gets injured, you're there ready to win that major. And I think that that's the jets problem is they're just not built well enough to take advantage of a 15 to 18 month window.
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J. Mac
No, that great, great example there. Remember how the Raptors had Lowry and DeRozan in the backcourt forever?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
And they just couldn't get by LeBron. He was just sweeping every year. Well, guess what happens the one year Kawhi Leonard becomes available. We're going all in.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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J. Mac
Kevin Durant goes down, play gets hurt and they get the luckiest title in NBA history. Sorry Toronto had to get that.
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Colin Cowherd
But they were built for it. They were always well run and well coached and they had good roster construction. They got a break and they took advantage of every.
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J. Mac
Listen, everybody needs a break. No doubt about that, Colin. Next up is your main man, Austin Reeves. We can't call him AR15, that's a dumb nickname. However, Austin Reeves, we've been doing a lot of stuff on him lately because you seem to think they need to move off of him. Well, Austin Reeves's agent tweeted next year is going to be a show. People really have no idea what's to come. Keep putting him in trade rumors for second string centers. I tried to tell you last week, Cal Herd, that junk ain't happening. They're not moving off reads. LeBron loves him, Luka loves him. But he's a homegrown guy. He's a massive great skill set. He had a rough series against Anthony Edwards. Oh my gosh, they're not moving off him.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, that's fine. And then just own. What your reality is going to be is that Luka's not an elite defender. Austin isn't. You don't have a rim protector and LeBron's good defensively.
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J. Mac
In moments, you're gonna get a rim protector now. Yeah. Here's the numbers on Reeves. We gotta say, you know, a stat. The staff wants to sandbag me here. 31 from 3 did not have a great series. That's undeniable. They were third in the west. The Lakers will be back. Listen, my hottest take, that got me in trouble last night on social media. There was only two teams here to take down. Okc. The Celtics. Tatum goes down. And the other was the Lakers. The Lakers were built for this team. Luka owns okc. Both are gone. And the Thunder now have a Runway to the championship, which I'll save some of that stuff for Friday. Final story is OKC and Shea Gilgis Alexander, AKA the free throw Merchant. Colin. Fans in Minnesota have been chanting free throw Merchant when he's at the line. I love it. Here's what S GA had to say about the chance in terms of the label.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't care. I never cared. I said this before. Like, I've shot more free throws in a season than I did this season. Like, I think because we're on the top of everyone's radar, it's a little bit more noticeable and now people care about it. But I kind of see it as a compliment.
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J. Mac
So I, I need to just clear something up here. It's not about how many times he goes to the line. Colin. It's a style of plaything, right? People watch. He is a flopper. He makes LeBron look like a non flopper. Okay? Every time he goes into the lane, he's hooking people to bring them in. And then, oh my God, like he got shot. Okay, Colin, it's a thing. And it's. People say, well, what about Brunson? It's not even close. Brunson doesn't flop like SGA because of SGA's frame. He's like a long. What is he, 6, 5, 6, 6? He's long and wiry and he's always acting like he's just like doing dance moves. I'm just telling you it's annoying. And Colin, you're probably gonna get here later in the week. This is a boring team. OKC is not really fun. Watch their brand, watch the quotes. They've kind of sucked the fun out of the series. Anthony Edwards, your guy face of the league. He hasn't. It's not fun.
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Colin Cowherd
The series just kind of stinks. Well, and I've said this before, you could take out four NBA players all time. Magic Bird, Michael and Steph.
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Nick Wright
And.
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Colin Cowherd
And you could argue that the NBA is not as popular as the media makes it believe. Like there's only been four to now. Shaq and Kobe as a tandem were great, but the NBA's only had four or five players. And even Dr. J didn't get a big TD rating. Many of the Celtics teams did not. Jayson Tatum doesn't. Michael did. Magic Bird did. Steph Curry, Shaq and Kobe. Tim Duncan, Akeem Olajuwon, great players didn't move the needle. So my take is yes. Jokic and Denver, I love watching them play. Don't move the needle. Spurs and Duncan didn't move the needle. The Celtics, by the way. You think because of the brand, they're collaborative. Tatum. Tatum's not really the oral alpha guy. They don't move the needle. So when people. Here's what I know. The NBA got $76 billion. They got what they wanted. It's up to the networks to make it work. Hockey, nobody's watching baseball. Regular season problematic. NBA's fine.
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J. Mac
So this is a great discussion. And you keep saying move the needle. The antiquated version in the 80s and 90s 80s was TV ratings. Now there are more metrics, Colin. There's merch. And NBA players move merch than any baseball.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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J. Mac
Hockey or NFL player on the planet.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right. And if.
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J. Mac
I don't know if you determine the needle is social media. But like Lamelo Ball, who I don't think has ever won a playoff game, has more followers on Instagram than any NFL player. Any hockey player.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, yeah.
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J. Mac
Move the needle culturally.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. No, no. This. You and I agree on this. I've said it before. For the NBA got their money. They culturally matter. They matter with apparel. It's style and culture. It. It's. Hockey has a. Has an. Hockey is Canada's. It's Europe's. Like basketball, we feel like it's ours and our stars also in my lifetime and more than ever, one thing that really moves the needle in this country, star power. It could be movies, it can be music, it can be battle basketball. NBA is always had five or six guys that are. You could go into any household in America. Basketball, casual sports casuals. They've heard of Stefan Lebron, like in that hockey doesn't have that and baseball doesn't usually have that.
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J. Mac
And the other thing is like the, the stars, the Hollywood, the celebrity row at Madison Square Garden. Like that stuff pumps it up and makes it culturally relevant. I do, you know, I don't think, think that OKC has a lot of swag, if you will. Like sga seems like a great guy.
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Colin Cowherd
They're a boring watch, I admit. They're not fun.
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J. Mac
Put them on opening night. Did they put them on Christmas? Did they put the Pacers on Christmas? Like no. The NBA knows there's no wattage there. There's no cultural relevance.
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Colin Cowherd
A great example, when Giannis was winning a title and there were playoff games, they put the Bucks on at one in the afternoon, often on NBA tv. Like just. And Giannis is an all time great J. Mac.
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J. Mac
Oh, sorry.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News Rick Bucher, Final hour. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan? Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some French fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered. Don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details at the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance. While its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space, the IX is completely changing the game with an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine electrified Interested in investing in Bitcoin but not sure how to get started. Well, with the Gemini credit card you can dip your toes into Bitcoin without even trying. Just spend like you normally do, groceries, gas or night out and instantly earn up to 4% back in Bitcoin or one of over 50 other crypto straight to your account with no annual fee. The Gemini credit card is pretty much a no brainer and right now you can grab a $200 bitcoin intro bonus. So go to gemini.com card to learn more and start earning today. Terms apply. Again, go to gemini.com card start building your Bitcoin stash now. Terms apply. The Gemini Credit card is issued by Web bank In order to Qualify for the intro $200 crypto bonus, your application must be approved by June 30, 2025 and spend $3,000 in your first 90 days. Terms apply. Some exclusions apply to instant Rewards in which rewards are deposited when the transaction posts this content is not investment advice and Trading Crypto involves risk for more details on rates, fees and other Gemini credit card terms, see Rates and Fees. Rick Bucher, Last Hour so it's the SEC media days and we were talking earlier about Lincoln Riley, just strategically in USC said there's a lot of changes happening. And I've defended usc saying his job is to make the playoff, not to appeal to college football traditionalists where the sentimentality can be a little over the top. I mean the PAC12 doesn't even exist anymore. And one of the reasons is because the only three teams that followed USC to the Big Ten were the three biggest rivals, the three toughest teams for USC to beat, which is Oregon, especially in Eugene, Washington, especially at Husky Stadium and crosstown rival ucla. Independence State, Ohio State, Michigan and, and that doesn't even count the playoff. And so like, like USC is like I'm not sure I want to play Notre Dame. And if we do got to be early in the season, we'll do it, you know, maybe a two year contract, not 12. Notre Dame obviously wants it. So USC has, you can see this has softened and lightened up their schedule. Missouri State, Georgia Southern, they've done that. That is based on joining the Big Ten. And what they want to do is in these years in which you have these brutal cold weather games, we saw what cold weather did to USC last year in their initial season. They struggled. You know, it's a warm weather program. And I've said this, there's never been an NFL Dome dynasty. It is different when you play in nine degrees like Kansas City, Green Bay, New England, Baltimore, Philadelphia. You're used to it.
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Nick Wright
It.
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Colin Cowherd
And so here's Sark talking about the world's changed and the days of just running through your conference and being undefeated are over. Sark basically saying basic. Okay, the screen. Okay, the screen right now. Okay, here we go. Sark says when it comes to college football changes, I don't think we'll ever see an undefeated national champ again. If we do build a statue, hopefully we're getting to the point where the best teams make the playoff. That's why I said last year it was great that Ohio State could lose early to Oregon and late to Michigan and still be invited to the playoff because it was in my entire life when you lost. And for the record, Notre Dame lost an early game at home and we wondered aloud, are they out of the playoffs? Why? Why? That's why they want usc. That's why they just signed a deal with Clemson. Notre Dame needs these big, big traditional games. They need top 20 programs. USC's got plenty of them. They're full of top 20 programs up and down the schedule going forward. BMW didn't just design an electric suv. Every detail of the BMW IX was crafted with passion and precision. With a BMW ix, you'll experience unmatched power, utility, spaciousness, versatility. My favorite feature, cloud based navigation, monitors charge levels, locates nearby charging stations so I can drive electric with the ultimate ease. BMW lets performance do the talking and the scouting report is in. Experience the all electric BMW IX and witness dedication in every detail. The following heartwarming yet informative scene is brought to you by Trust and Will. Son, your grandpa and I used to work on this car together. And when I'm gone, I want you to have it.
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