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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
Oh, boy. You gaining some weight, huh?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Right before your big trip.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Putting on some pounds so you can look like a typical American over there?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I am. All right. We do it every Monday at this time. Colin is right, Colin is wrong. And there is, as always, plenty of both where Colin was right. Well, I'm somewhat vindicated. I broke the story a year ago that Caleb Williams and most notably his dad were a little uneasy. Uneasy and unsure about his son playing in Chicago. Excellent reporter Seth Wickersham also last week reporting the same thing. Listen, Caleb and his dad, looking at the history of the quarterback position, had said, this is where quarterbacks go to die. I was told the same thing. Caleb didn't want to push the nuclear button. He did not want to start his NFL career in controversy. So he complied. He went to the Bears. But it should be duly noted that all of his concerns about the Bears and chaos did come true. Where Colin was wrong. I would not have paid Brock purdy in the 50 millions, but the Niners did. I said, Listen, Tua and Dak, you'll become top heavy. And the Dolphins and the Cowboys did listen. Kyle Shanahan is run the operation. He's a smart kid, moves pretty well, terribly coachable. And let's be honest, when you give him time with the weapons like Kittle and Jennings, he's an accurate distributor of the football. I thought they'd push back. I thought they'd try to get in the 40s. But he got closer to 55 million than 45 million. Where Colin was right. Caitlin Clark. It took a year, but the league has finally figured it out. The WNBA is going to televise at this point today, all but two of her games and those may eventually get televised. She is Taylor Swift meets Tiger Woods. We said this last year the league just didn't quite know what it had. Right now the Fever are out drawing not only a good team in the Indiana Pacers, but a highly entertaining Eastern Conference finals team in the Indiana Pacers. She is a once in a generation not only talent talent but revenue stream and the WNBA has finally figured it out where Colin was right. I thought the Denver Nuggets would push Oklahoma City to six or seven games. I did like the Thunder to win the series based on depth and levers their coach could pull. But the series, if you listen to odds makers, they thought it was going to be a landslide. And I'm sorry, even the odds makers don't quite understand how good Jokic is. I thought yesterday by about mid to late second quarter they ran out of gas. Murray didn't do anything. Aaron Gordon was playing at about 70%. But I thought it would be a close series and it was where Colin was wrong. The New York Knicks. Listen, after they won that first game coming back from 20 in Boston, I said they're not going to win, they're not going to win another game in this series and I really believed it. But the physicality in the NBA playoffs benefited a lot of teams. I mean it made the Pistons more viable against the Knicks, it helped the Knicks, it helped the Pacers, it helps Minnesota. And Boston was a pretty team that was heavily reliant on threes and three point shooting has gone down significantly in these playoffs. I'm here for it. I like the layered style of play. The NBA is encouraging but I was wrong on that series where Collin was right. I never got the hate for Tyrese Halliburton. Iq, EQ distributes, controls, pacing, he can score, elevate others. He was voted most overrated player on an NBA Anonymous poll. Some of it's just petty, but I think when you watch him play you're seeing the future of the NBA. The new CBA is not going to allow for stacked rosters. It's going to be point guard driven, elevating other B&B plus players. And I think Halliburton's as good as anybody at the league at that.
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J. Mac
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
The New England Patriots. I said back in March they are the number one bet on my board to double their wins and the over unders and or future bets came out last week and lo and behold the Patriots were favored in 11 of their 17 games. So listen, major upgraded head coach D line. They had 11 draft picks, so I can only assume their depth will be better. I think they got a left tackle in the draft and Will Campbell, so I don't think there's any. The AFC is harder top to bottom than the nfc, but I think a coaching upgrade, Sean Payton proved this in Denver can be somewhere between three, four and six points per game. And if you had just given this team six to seven points more last year, they would have won 10 games.
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J. Mac
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, now even ex Steelers, popular ex Steelers like Ryan Clark are sounding off about Mike Tomlin. I think Mike Tomlin's going to get votes for the hall of Fame. I think he's a great motivator. But Ryan Clark sounds said last week his message has grown stale. Listen, it's an offensive league. This team can't figure out their offensive line for seven years. They're showing no urgency at quarterback. Who knows if Aaron Rodgers is going to be around. Even Pat Riley used to say it, you get about 10 years to coach and then people, players tune you out. I think Tomlin's going to get hall of Fame votes. But listen, Andy Reed, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, all time coaches have moved on or been moved out and I just feel like it's time in Pittsburgh. Colin right? Colin wrong on a Monday. With that, Sam Amick at the Athletic, senior NBA writer is now joining us. You know, I think when Sam, when Adam Silver got the job as commissioner, it took him a while to unpack some things. There were things he was clearly uncomfortable with. He did not like Kevin Durant going to the Warriors. He thought it was lopsided. He didn't like it. But you know, you got to get to the new cba. You can't, you can't pull many levers when you take over for Stern. I think this NBA is what Adam wants. More parody, less star stacking, more physical. Which takes away some of the three point shooting where the baskets and the physicality kind of, I don't know, I look at this basketball, I like it. Esthetically I prefer it. But I do feel like this is finally Adam Silver's footprint on the league. Am I, do you agree with any of that?
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Sam Amick
I agree with all of it. I think you're right that it, you know, especially following somebody as legendary and you know, kind of impactful as David Stern. Adam took his time to put his fingerprints on things. Look at last night's game. Game 7 OKC, Denver OKC suddenly represents, you know, the right way to build within the context of this collective Bargaining agreement. They're well positioned to contend because of that. Denver, meanwhile, we wrote this today, the Nuggets, you know, you almost feel bad for them. They are constructed more to fight back against the teams that were the way of the previous NBA and, and now they have to find a way to pivot. Obviously we're seeing shorter runways for dominance, for contention. Just ask the Celtics who are, you know, feeling it this week for a number of different reasons. Even if Jason Tatum, as you know, didn't get hurt, you know, they were in a bad place roster wise, salary wise. So the churn is going to be more. I don't know how I feel about it long term right now. I mean, it's been a blast. The playoffs have been amazing. The style of play is fantastic. You have new fan bases who are, you know, incredibly excited about being in title contention. Not, you know, not the dynasty approach of before. So long term we'll see. But you know, I see the vision and we're seeing it layout right now.
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Colin Cowherd
One of the things that's interesting, the NFL did this in the Eagle Patriot super bowl that Roger Goodell had heard a lot of heat. Nobody can understand the catch rule. I remember having him as a guest and I'm like, I don't know what a catch is. That's a problem. I talk about sports for a living. I feel like Adam Silver had heard so much about three point shooting. He said, we're going to let more physicality. You can hit on those shooters, wear those shooters down. The Cavs, Boston, I would say, are. We're pretty teams instead. Physical Detroit, physical New York, physical Indiana, physical Minnesota. Yes. I feel like this is a pivot, literally. Not a memo or a call. But I feel like Adam said, guys, swallow the whistle. I mean this doesn't look anything like the regular season does.
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Sam Amick
Doesn'T. And to me it goes back even farther. The whistle had changed last year and in the second half of the year prior, you remember, let's go back to the All Star game in Indianapolis when, you know, nobody's obviously trying, the scoring is through the roof. And leading into that, you had all these guys who scoring who were not elite scorers scoring 50 plus points. It was way too easy. You know, I've talked to Adam about it. I've talked to Joe Dumars at the time, of course had his position with the league. Monty McCutcheon, the head of referees, they, they looked at the game itself. And also, by the way, coach K. Mike Krzyzewski is a consultant with the NBA and Mike told Adam, defense is fun, too, and fans like defense. And they started talking about, you know, how to tweak the game. And I find it so interesting at the time, you look at Joe Dumars, this guy who's from the Bad Boy Pistons, and, you know, and the irony of him, you know, playing a part in the league being so offensive heavy. So they pushed it the other way. It's even more extreme in this postseason, just with MMA style stuff at times. Mostly I think it's great, a little wear and tear effect on the guys. I think the players are figuring out what they think about it, but entertainment wise, it's been fantastic.
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Colin Cowherd
You know what? Sam Amick joining us from the Athletic. You know what's really interesting? I said during the season, and I kept saying over and over, okay, Knicks need a swing, they need kd, they need another bucket, they need Giannis. And now I watch him and I mean, no, don't disrupt it, just let them play. I think they need a tweet. You know, what they need is Hartenstein, who they let go to OKC because they couldn't afford it. If they had him, I would. You may be able to win multiple championships, but what do you think? What do you think this style of play like, let's just take the Knicks, do you think, in a listen, they've been very patient for the last three years. They weren't. The previous 20, they didn't reach. This is a smartly, slowly constructed operation. Now, what do you think the Knicks do? I mean, if they beat Indiana, maybe nothing. If they lose, maybe something. Do you. What do you think the Knicks need? Or do they need anything going forward?
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Sam Amick
Well, they might, like you said, they might need nothing. There's so much parity amongst the Final Four here that I could actually see the championship parade, you know, going down Madison Avenue. So we'll see if they fall short. And they are a fascinating case study for all the stuff we're talking about because they have been tough and gritty in the playoffs, but leading into it, questions were there on that front. Carl Anthony Town's not always the bruising type. That part of their identity kind of comes and goes. But let's say they fall short. The patience, I think, is still going to be there, but. And this is something I think we're going to get to later in our chat as well. But, you know, the Giannis thing is going to loom over everybody this summer. The Knicks, if he is actually available, are absolutely going to look at that very hard. And so that's the most obvious one, but we'll see, you know, how they finish this run first, it feels like.
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Colin Cowherd
To me there are three tiers of off season moves. There's the Giannis tier, then there's the KD tier, then there's the Jonathan Kaminga tier, which is a good player but not a defined offensive game.
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Sam Amick
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
If when you size it up, Sam, you've been doing this for years. Let's talk Giannis. I think Miami would want him. I don't know if they can get it done. You could do a double twin tower with Wemby, but again, I wouldn't want to move up. Maybe they move off their draft pick. I don't know. Do you think there's a leader in the clubhouse quietly right now on that?
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Sam Amick
No, because it all starts with the big fella. Giannis is got an extremely close and small circle. They don't leak much. They don't chat much outside of that circle. You know, right now I can confidently share and have written this that, you know, it's clear that Giannis is reading the room in deciding what he thinks of the current situation in Milwaukee. Eventually, he will meet with GM John Horst and Bucks management and ownership to discuss things, but it's all going to be about how he sees the chessboard, so to speak, because regardless of what all these different teams might be able to put on the table to get him, it all starts and ends with A, does he want to leave Milwaukee? And then B, if he does, where does he want to go? And then the Bucks have got to figure out how they're going to move. You know, he's got two years left on his deal, and this is a, an absolutely massive moment for them because this is a guy they want to see in a Bucks jersey until the end of his career. So, you know, we got to wait and see if he wants out and if so, where he wants to go.
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Colin Cowherd
So I'm a slight lean Indiana over the Knicks. I don't know what to make of OKC and OKC in Minnesota. I think home court could be the difference. I think it's fascinating. You know, people would say, well, you know, outside of New York, this isn't going to work for the league. I don't know if it is, but I will say the coaching Minnesota's done, Julius Randle is a new player. He wasn't this good in the first month of the season for Minnesota. He's a new player. It's incredible. Like it's, it's a moment. It's like, what am I? What I can remember when he was a Laker and you felt like the poor league was moving away from him. You're like, oh, it's too bad he wasn't playing 20 years ago. He's a great guy, guy, old school, big, right, right. And then Gobert can't score. Conley past his prime. Nas Reed, kind of an energy, athletic guy. It tell. I think OKCs just got more good, quality rotational players. I think they're better. I don't know what to make of this series. You know, Sam, they say styles make fights. I want to watch the first two rounds. Do you have a lean on that series?
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Sam Amick
I've been around okc. You know, I was there last night. I'm in OKC right now. They are so deep and so dangerous and so dominant when they're at their best. And that's the qualifier here. Mark Dagnalt said post game, something I thought was completely on point. He said that his takeaway from game seven is, you know, we were who we are. Which sounds like Dennis Green twist on his old quote. But like, they lived up to their identity. But the, the subtext there is that they didn't do that for a lot of the series against Denver. So I have questions about their inexperience, about their inconsistency. I probably trust Minnesota a little bit more and, you know, I actually think he's been better than people have been given him credit for in these playoffs. It's a different style of play. He's been more of a playmaker, but he's been a good leader. He's finding ways to lift the guys around him. He's had a few stinkers, you know, and Chris Finch called him out after Game 1 against the warriors, but they are a lot deeper than Denver. I think that's going to pose problems for okc. They have more optionality defensively to deal with, you know, this kind of, you know, bunch of velociraptors that the Thunder has. And I think it is a fascinating matchup. And then of course, like the. You've got the boxing match component of SGA and Ant, these two incredible young stars and you know, who's going to meet the moment. It'll be fun, but I think Minnesota is going to give them a fight.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Sam Amick, the athletic. It's fun. You're going to get some moves. We were saying this is if the Bucks move Giannis west and OKC has got a war chest and so does Houston, so does San Antonio and If I was the gm, I just want to get him out of my conference. Boy, the east is going to be wide open. Like. Like that's the thing. Like, Caitlin Clark and Halliburton may have a nice run here. Because if you take. If, I mean seriously, Sam, you start moving guys out of it. Do you see anybody moving East? Is KD Miami a play?
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Sam Amick
I mean, I think the Miami situation is tricky, you know, because they don't have the foundation that I think has got stars around the league, even though it is Miami saying, you know, we're so used to so many players wanting to go there. I'm not getting that vibe right now. So I don't think they're going to be on anybody's short list. The point you make about the East, I think also ties into the Giannis discussion. And I guarantee you the Bucks, when they sit down with Giannis, are going to highlight exactly what you just talked about, which is to say, yes, we know the roster isn't where we need it to be to contend for a title, but Giannis, like, you could still maybe be top four and then like, roll the dice and see what happens because the east is taking a step back, you know, KD an interesting one, obviously. You know, we'll see where he goes. But. But you're right. I mean, it's, it's, it's, you know, the parity is there, but it's not as dominant as it was before.
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Colin Cowherd
Sam Amick, as always, great seeing you. What a fun last couple of months it has been. Will be as well going forward. Thanks, Sam.
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Sam Amick
Indeed. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate you.
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Colin Cowherd
You bet. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. I've enjoyed it. J. Mac and your Knicks. You know, usually it was funny. I was watching. There was some Yankee Met stuff over the weekend and it's such a. There are moments. Half the year is great for New York, you know, the minute the NFL is over until October, it's going to be great time for the New York sports franchises. They may have the two worst organizations in pro football. I mean, they do. These are bad teams. But I will say this. Between the Yankees, Mets and Knicks, it is that the Garden looked. It was insane on Friday night. Just insane.
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J. Mac
Without question. And real quick, I'm starting to dig in a little more to the Jets. Listen, I'm not drinking any Kool Aid, but they're not going to be as bad as people think. That defense is loaded. They get Johnson back, their edge rusher from fsu, who was phenomenal two years ago. I'M just saying they're going to be competitive. I don't see any much reaction from you, but, like, yeah, yeah, just. I know. Justin Fields, you're not down, but just, just keep an eye on the Jets. No expectations. New coach, new attitude, new quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, oh, new attitude. Okay.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Well, listen, in the afc, AFC is a pretty easy conference to predict because the gap between great quarterbacks and average ones is so severe. I think it's much harder in the NFC where, I mean, Stafford's great, but he gets banged up and he's older. So I think the AFC is an easy prediction. Last year I had success there. I think the nfc, there's only two or three things I know. I know the Eagles are stacked. I know Jaden Daniels is insane. I know McVeigh and Stafford are going to win a bunch of games. There's a lot of questions. You know, I don't, I don't know. You know, I can. Can Washington literally duplicate. Duplicate that? By the way, Detroit's a good one now. Chicago's for real. You like Minnesota? Green Bay is always viable, you know, Is Detroit going to duplicate that? So now they're the hunted, not the hunter. Is Dan Campbell's message. Rah, rah, almost collegiate message. Does that play now? I think all that stuff to your point, you're. You're a doubter on them. I'm not. But I think the NFC is a hard conference to figure out. I don't know what to do with the Niners or Seattle. I don't know what to do with Seattle. I don't know what to do with Sam Darnold. New team, new conference, new coach. But I know what to do with the Jets.
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J. Mac
Oh, damn, that was hard.
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Colin Cowherd
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It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast too. Oh really? Thanks. Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member FDIC. Right. Welcome back. I I did think it was interesting. I said Sean McVeigh really screwed up August for sports talk show hosts because for years and years you could talk about the NFL Week 3 of the exhibition season. You know, starters would play. Now it's down to three weeks. Sean McVeigh said, I'm not going to play any starters. People pushed back and said, oh, your team won't be ready. And then the Rams went eight. No. And so August is, you know, July and August are dry in our business. But, you know, the WNBA and Caitlin Clark have really become a topic. And I thought over the weekend, here we are, you know, season opener level games and Caitlin Clark had a triple double. She's going to smash. Triple doubles do not happen a lot in the wnba. She's going to become the all time leader probably in about two weeks. And she's going to end up having, you know, 40 in her career. And you know, the top people before that are 15. But I did think it was interesting, this foul in the game that was upgraded to a flagrant and it was like, listen, one of the reasons this league is flourishing is the quality of plays gotten better and it's become more physical as a league. Like, that's just not a flagrant. There's nothing about that that is a flagrant. But I think the league's even like, okay, let's protect Angel Reese, let's. That's just a hard foul. That, that is not a flagrant foul. It's a basketball foul you see a thousand times, especially when you're, you know, you're trying to stop somebody from scoring. And Caitlin Clark has no history of being a cheap player. But I do think all of this intensity and animosity is great. I mean, go back to the Michael Jordan documentary with Isaiah Thomas. They still can't stand each other. Take a deep breath. It's okay. Here's Caitlin Clark on the foul being upgraded to a flagrant.
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Sam Amick
I'm not sure what the ref saw to upgrade it. And that's up to their discretion. After watching the initial whatever happened during the play and then whatever happened after, you know, we watch a lot of basketball. You, it's a take foul to put them at the free throw line or rather give up two points. You know, I've watched a lot of basketball in my life. That's exactly what it was. I wasn't trying to do anything malicious. That's not the type of player I am. So, yes, wasn't anything like that. And I went for the ball. And that's clear as day in the, in the replay. You watch it, you know, it shouldn't have been upgraded.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but her triple double numbers, they just, they just don't happen. A lot in the wnba, and they're going to start happening a lot. They are right now. The Fever. I mean, the people in line for six to eight hours to get merchandise, not to see the game. Merchandise. It is. It's. It's got a Taylor Swift vibe. You may not get it, but the. The fandom here is epic. This league has never seen anything like this. Yeah.
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J. Mac
Let me ask you, Colin, how much of this is angel? Reese is just kind of upset because Caitlin Clark has passed her. Remember in college, LSU was winning the title, and she's pointing to the ring. In the wnba, it's a different story. The Fever are good. The sky stink. Clark is beloved. She's on the COVID of Slam magazine, which is, you know, kind of a basketball bible. Clark is getting all the accolades, and. And here Reese is getting crushed again. I. I don't think it was so much about the foul, but the other stuff. Clark is being worshiped right now around the league, and Reese is kind of not. And I understand it, and you do, but I don't think Reese kind of gets that, do you?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I. I would say this. There are two sports. There are more than two sports, but the two domestic sports that I've always felt are a little bit insular. Baseball, which always feels like, hey, we don't get. You guys don't pay attention to us. You talking heads, you media. We don't. We do more NFL, college football and NBA and women's basketball. Well, you. You didn't like us before Caitlin Clark. And so when you get these sort of tribal, insular sports, they kind of push back when a new star comes into the league, like Bryce Harper came into baseball. And we guys like you and me are like, oh, this is great. And baseball's like, whoa, there's a way to play the game. And I think there's a little bit of that in the wnba. We're like, time out. Why didn't you pay attention to us the last so and so years? Well, you didn't have your Bryce Harper. You didn't have your Tiger Woods. You didn't have your Steph. So I defend them a little bit, but I gave you a couple weeks on that. Like baseball. Two or three years into Bryce Harper, there was still just like, get over it. He's fascinating and he's great and his hair is flying. He's great on tv. Get over it. I think the NBA is more secure with itself and the NFL, because they're talked about. Daley is more secure with himself. Those players root for new Blood they love. You know why? Because they're like, oh, good, you can go interview them and not me all the time. Like Kevin Durant. Go talk to Ant. I'm over, you know, I'm over being discussed and interviewed. So I think there's some of that there where I understand some of the animosity. But listen, she got all these teams from commercial jets to private charters. That alone, if anybody in your life could be your stepdad, your boss, if they can get you from commercial economy class to first class, thank them. Okay, this. She is rising. All boats, everything is rising.
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J. Mac
And let's be real, Colin, you know, this rivalry they have has become kind of sort of about race. You got the former NFL quarterback RG3 weighing in saying that Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark. It's obvious. And it gets like 5 million views. And then the WNBA is opening an investigation into fan conduct at the game. I mean, I don't like that it's being made about race, but I kind of sort of get that There is a racial element to this. I mean, this is a predominantly African American league. And now Clark comes in and is a big star. And there is some anger from some players. We saw it last year with cheap shots toward Clark, some commentary. And that's not going to stop anytime soon.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, yeah, I mean, then there's There's a. There's a racial component to a lot of things. There's also some, you know, there's some grifters in the media that, you know, it's. It gets real clicky. I think ultimately the growth of the WNBA is two things. It was growing pre Caitlin Clark. The sport is an easier watch. I said this years ago. I said this 10 years ago. I'm like, it looks a little more like guys, it's chippy and there's trash talking. This is good. So I said that years ago, and then all of a sudden, you get jet fuel added to it. Caitlin Clark. But this league, when you watch it now, the pacing, the ball handling, the passing, and go on YouTube and watch 12 years ago, it didn't look like this. I mean, Cheryl Miller looked like this, but the league didn't look like this. So the quality of play, you can sit down and give this an hour and a half. It's entertaining. It's good basketball. The range of the shooters, the passing. Now, again, she's the best at, you know, she was just voted the best guard, the best two guard, the best point guard. But it's a real sport. It's a real sport with a Lot of high end athletes and it's fun. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no.
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J. Mac
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
All right, we're going to the NBA. Colin, one of the bigger stories of the postseason has been Julius Randle. He has been incredible. A catalyst in the Wolves domination of the Warriors. Randle was so impressive. Draymond Green came out and said this on his podcast.
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Colin Cowherd
The only other playoff series where I.
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J. Mac
Felt like I lost my match like.
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Colin Cowherd
That I didn't completely dominate my matchup. Take over my matchup.
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Sam Amick
The only other series really in my.
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J. Mac
Career where I feel like I lost.
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Sam Amick
My matchup is Toronto.
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Colin Cowherd
And this series also reminds me of.
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J. Mac
That series because it's also a series.
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Colin Cowherd
Where I don't feel like I lost, lost my matchup. I lost my matchup. Like Julius was incredible and he played great basketball and honestly, like some of.
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Sam Amick
The shots he was taking was shots that you want him to take and he made them.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean that's. He, he. A lot of this is on Julius. Randall could very easily have never developed a three point shot and just been an old school power forward. He deserves a ton of credit for changing his game and the staff in Minnesota deserves a ton of cred it because he did not look like this his first month in Minnesota. He's become a legitimate number two star with this staff. And, and, and Edward, he really has become. I mean, God, his assist totals are up. His three point shootings and he was always a bully. He, he's always a tough guy. He can always get, you know, within six feet. He's just a different player.
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J. Mac
By the way, the Lakers fans have to be watching this Western Conference finals. Julius Randle, one of their guys dominating Alex Caruso. Somehow you didn't give him a shout out earlier. He was pretty freaking incredible yesterday in Game 7. He's going to be in the Western Conference finals. I'm just curious, what do you think they do against Randall? Because his playmaking when he's getting a triple double like that was stunning to me. If he's able to do that against okc, they're in big trouble. I don't know. Do you put Chet on Julius Randle? I, I don't know where the matchup is.
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Colin Cowherd
Do they the advantage? Minnesota is big and they're physical now. I would say OKC has Lou Dork and they have length, but Minnesota is the bigger, stronger team. Naz Reed, Rudy Gobert, Julius Randle and these are physical players. They've been in weight rooms a while. OkC. Is really fast and really twitchy and they get up the floor. But if Minnesota should probably want to ugly this thing up a little bit. So that gives you hope. I think it's a seven game series.
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J. Mac
And you have the Thunder. I'll go Timberwolf. You know, we can make it a steak dinner at your favorite restaurant in Chicago. Whatever you want, you know, no big deal. I don't mind getting steak dinners off you. Next story. Colin, now listen, I know you're on board the trade Austin Reeves train, but according to Dan Wokey, a regular guest on the show, the Lakers have shown no interest in using Reaves in a trade that nets them anything less than a top tier big. And there aren't many of those available. The only names you're really hearing are Daniel Gafford and Nick Claxton. And you ain't giving up Austin Reaves for either of those guys. So I know he didn't have a great series against Anthony Edwards. I mean, who does? But Austin Reaves apparently not going anywhere. And I will just point this out. I was at multiple places this weekend, volleyball tournament, bar and there was one other place where I was and the fans, sports fans are coming up to me like, I can't believe cowherd is bashing Brock Purdy and wants to trade Austin Reeds. Those were like what they're leading with Colin, Nobody wants to trade Austin Reese again.
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Colin Cowherd
See, I get why he's popular. He's undrafted. The headband, he looks, he looks like a guy playing at the Y until you stood next to him and he's really big. But like when you look at Kevin Durant or Ant, when you look at a lot of these NBA guys, it's like they're out of our galaxy. So I understand the popularity of Brock Purdy. He's the ultimate underdog. Most people in society and sports fans are underdogs. He's like 6:1. He's not big. He didn't have a huge arm. Guys talk themselves into, I got a little Brock Purdy in me. Austin Reeves has that. He's got that every man quality where you think, you know, I worked on my game. I mean his shots are a lot of time contact, they're ugly. He's not breaking ankles, he's not jamming at the rim a lot. So I get his popularity. But again, if you start looking at the best constructed rosters in the NBA. NBA. If you think Luca LeBron Rui and Austin Reaves is getting better next year, I don't.
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J. Mac
That's all we got to do got to pry Nick Claxton away from the Nets. Final story. Colin is Giannis, obviously, we talked about him earlier and he's the biggest name, but Kevin Durant is number two, and we know he's looking to get out of Phoenix. How about this report? The Philadelphia 76ers, yes. Those guys who had an awful season, they could package Paul George, your guy, PG13 and the number three pick for Kevin Durant or a guy like, wait for it, Laurie Markkanen of the Utah Jazz. Colin, there's a lot of smoke around Kevin Durant. The Sixers at three, they would love to give up that pick and bring in a difference maker. Do you think Kevin Durant makes sense alongside Joel Embiid? Maxi McCain, do you like you like that or no?
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Colin Cowherd
If Joel Embiid's the centerpiece of your operation, it's not a championship team. Indiana is younger, deeper and better. It's becoming more of a point guard league. I mean, I just, I just, I feel like the ship has sailed. You know, we blamed Ben Simmons, we blame James Harden. Now we're blaming Paul George, you know who's been there for all of it, Joel Embiid. So to me, it's not a championship team. I think being lost in all of this Giannis, KD talk, I don't think Katie's the fit in Utah, but I think Utah. Danny Ainge marketing's a good trade piece. They've got draft capital. We're all paying attention to Wemby and we watch Houston against the Warriors. Keep your eye on Utah. They're going to make a big move. He's got connections with Brad Stevens. Maybe they can do a deal with the Boston Celtics. Want to move a little money. I, I, I can see Boston giving up something for Lori Marketing. Moving off of Porzingis, moving off of Drew Holiday, Al Horford. I can see Brad Stevens saying, how about another dependable 22 and a half a game for whatever Lori Marketing averages? That's interesting to me. And then Boston getting all sorts of picks, some expiring contracts.
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J. Mac
That's interesting. Remember when the Golden State warriors, so they won the title in 22. Then, then there was the injuries. No, no, I'm sorry. Before that, they had the injuries after the Raptors series and they ended up with a high pick and they took James Wiseman and it just didn't work out. What if the Celtics got that number five pick from Utah? They give up a bunch of stuff. Could the Celtics finally get the right pick to go with Tatum? And Brown, if they're able to pry number five from Utah. Utah's destination, Desperate to be good. Colin, they haven't won a playoff series, I think, since like the ice Age.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I don't. I don't think. I think Boston is a mature offense. Between Derrick White, Tatum and Brown, you're not getting a college kid to fit in there. Lori marketing fits in there. And if you're losing size with Horford and Porzingis, Lori marketing becomes very interesting for the Celtics. To me, that. That's. And by the way, Ang and Brad Stevens, they've got a relationship. So I just. Utah's gonna be sneaky. And we're not talking. Utah is often. They're often forgotten. They got picks, they got some players. Keep your eye on the Jazz.
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J. Mac
By the way, Utah Jazz member. I'm not gonna say his name. Just joined my gym. His parents moved into my area. I've seen him a couple times. Haven't spoke to him. I need a lead and I'll tell them, hey, me and Cowherd talked about you on the show. He's a prominent player. You would know him for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
I know who you're talking about.
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J. Mac
No flex.
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Colin Cowherd
Sorry. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The Herd lie news. Jeff Schwartz. Next hour, live in Chicago, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And, of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcasts. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a Paychex company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset, your people. Are you ready to become a Better Leader? Visit paycor.comleadership to learn more. That's paycor.comleaders Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan? Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. The last thing anyone wants is to leave behind confusion, stress or worse, family conflict. That's why estate planning isn't just for the wealthy. It's for families like mine and probably like yours. With trust and will, I created my estate plan in minutes. From naming guardians for my kids to putting our house in a trust to avoid probate. Fast, affordable and way easier than I thought. Every plan is designed by estate planning attorneys and customized for your state. Plans start at just $199 and include essentials like healthcare directives and power of attorney. With trust and will's bank level security and built in privacy protections, your personal information and your wishes stay safe. Whether you're newly married, raising kids, caring for aging parents, or just want peace of mind, trust and will makes it easy to protect what matters Most. Go to trustandwill.com, use code RADIO at checkout and save 20% on your personalized plan because there's no better time to protect the people you love. Trust and Will is an online estate planning service. See website for details. Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast too. Oh really? Thanks, Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member FDIC Saturday.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
So WFAN radio in New York, former jet boomer Sias and very popular host. He, he got a little hot last week talking about the report that Caleb Williams, before he was drafted, he and his dad were trying to figure out a way to maybe not play in Chicago. That the level of entitlement is, is, is breathtaking and it's, it's no wonder why he, he failed initially and it's no wonder why the coach got fired.
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J. Mac
Just keep your mouth shut.
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Colin Cowherd
You're going into the greatest league that there's ever been for the sport that we all love. You're going to have a chance one day to make 500 million because guys like me and guys before me all went on strike so you could actually make more money. So keep your pie holes shut and.
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J. Mac
Go out and play football and earn your keep and your, and earn your respect.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that feels too hot for me. Eli Manning actually did refuse John Elway and his dad did change course. Caleb didn't. He just had opinions. And the media is much wider and broader than years ago. A lot of stuff didn't used to get out. Everything now gets out. There's layers of conspiracy theories that aren't even true, that are fabricated and created that get out. So I didn't, I mean, J. Mac, I didn't like Caleb during the season when the mic was in front of him said the right stuff. Like, I mean he did acknowledge in this book by Seth Wickersham, books are all you. Listen, the book will be great. I'm going to talk to Seth. You know how books are. You can write 8,000 pages on the Clintons and there'll be like One line and everybody will glom onto the line. And at one point he had concerns about Shane Waldron. Well, it, it worked out that Shane Waldron struggled in Chicago and got run out of the building. And he had a concern that he said, I got there and nobody was showing me, watching film with me. I don't think that's a, that's almost a cry for help. It's not indignant, it's not embellishing. It's a. I just needed help here. And also last year I thought the offensive line regressed badly. We, most of us thought the offensive line would improve, but we've, I've said this for years. J. Mac, you've been here as a witness. Defensive coaches and offensive lines. Go look at the lowest rated O lines in the league the last five years. It is overwhelmingly defensive coaches. So Eberfluss could not get. He and Ryan Pulse could not get the O line right. Ben Johnson comes in, first thing he does, guard, center, guard. Let's go spend money. So I think this was a bad fit. Jared Goff, Jeff Fisher, bad fit. Brian Flores to a bad fit. Nobody banged on TUA when he ripped Brian Flores and said he treated me poorly, he was just being honest about it. Flores acknowledged it and apologized.
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J. Mac
Yeah, I'm not gonna bang on Boomer Sias and I've done that enough on this show. I do think though, Caleb Williams dad had a, had a pretty strong quote about how the rookie contracts are kind of. I think the use. The word he used was unconstitutional. Basically you're drafted and they have your rights essentially for up to eight years. And Colin, when you sit there and think about that, these guys are coming out 21, 22 years old and they're kind of locked. I mean, he's got a point, does he not?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, but that's, that's the industry. I mean that's. There's nothing you can do about that. That that's.
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J. Mac
And they've fight for their rights.
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Colin Cowherd
But you know, well, well, you have attorneys to do that. I mean the NBA, CBA has got all sorts of aprons. You can't do what you could do. Four years ago the NFL used these first round picks like Sam Bradford's one of the last ones. Sam Bradford signed a deal. He was making more than like Pro bowl quarterbacks. So this thing ebbs and flows. I mean there's been strikes in my lifetimes, all sports, multiple times. But you have some things you can't fight. And the rookie pay scale and the rookie contract is one of those things.
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J. Mac
Well, the only issue about the contract is it's so long they basically lock you up like you keep talking about. Kids come out of college, they can bounce around jobs, nil transfer portal, you can go wherever you want. But in the NFL, if you get drafted by a crap team and a bad franchise, you're kind of stuck.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin Yep.
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J. Mac
And is that fair?
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Colin Cowherd
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