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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Now let's get this party started.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go, hour two on a Monday, a lot of green, feeling good. Today, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac, you and Matt Hasselbeck. He'll be on in three minutes. Were right. Yes, you love Philadelphia. In fact, you you on your foxsports.com column said the Eagles D line will be the difference in the game and two series in it was really obvious it was the difference in the game.
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NFL Analyst
I was holding off texting you because I know you had to console Nick. Tough time for him and his Chiefs, but this was as dominating bowls we've seen in a while Colin last three years we're all close games. This is blowout city.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you know something though, and I said this for years when the SEC dominated college football, I said I always root for people who deeply care about stuff. And I do think how much do you care correlates with how happy I am, at least for me. And Philadelphia cares so deeply about sports and Philadelphia Eagle football, they're like a collegiate team. I mean they're callers on radio stations. They complain after winning and I I there's a soft spot in my heart for people. If you love what you do and you do, put more time in it and you are better at it. I got no problem. I got Philadelphia. It's good for the league. Good luck being the Cowboys, Giants and Commanders because that D line is is a lot of those guys are young. Yeah. I mean that the corners rookies bond.
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NFL Analyst
By the way, Josh Sweat led, I think two and a half sacks last night. He's a free agent this offseason. He's going to get paid by somebody. Good times.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong on a Monday.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I spent a lot of time talking about general managers in the NFL and how undervalued they are. Howie Roseman been on that train for years. I think the executive suite is the difference with the Lions roster and the difference between Kansas City and Buffalo and the difference with Philadelphia. The bottom line, the gap in this league is not just coaches and quarterbacks. It's upstairs. Some teams don't know what they're doing. The Eagles always do take big swings, are very willing to roll the dice and it has paid off clearly.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was raw.
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Colin Cowherd
Although I love his temperament, I think he's a great kid. I've never really put Jalen Hurts in the top six or seven quarterbacks because I don't think he's a great pocket thrower. But maybe it's time to reevaluate processing, univire toughness, tush push. What he does continually is play really, really good football in the biggest moments. A lot of guys shrink. He elevates. I was wrong on Jalen hurts where Colin was right. I didn't put Travis Kelce in my top 10 players for the Super Bowl. It does feel like it's time. He had two catchable balls, didn't prod. He did have his turn back the clock game against Houston. Didn't do anything in the last two. Even the suit he wore. I don't know, just felt a little midlife crisis, whatever, I don't know. But it does feel like we're seeing, we're seeing a tank that doesn't have a lot left in it.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was wrong.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I thought the rookie cornerbacks for the Eagles could be a liability, but boy, did they deliver. Who knew that Toledo and Iowa is where great cornerbacks live. Fast, sticky, smart, physical Cooper, DeJean, Quinon Mitchell. Just outstanding. And what was really interesting if you watch the highlights, is how often they could stay with Kansas City's receivers all the way down the field. This wasn't just about pressure. Mahomes did on occasion roll out and look and buy time and nobody was still open.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Aaron Rodgers dumped by the packers and now dumped by the Jets. Am I surprised they did it? Yes. But I have said for years people close to Aaron who are played with him, he can be moody. You're never quite sure what you get in the building day to day. And right now he's probably 13th, 14th, 15th best quarterback in the league and he's a little expensive for that. And he is not, despite what a handful of friends say, he's not a great unifier. He flew to New York, according to Jay Glazer, thinking he was going to be the quarterback. And the second NFL franchise said, we're gonna move on.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Debo Samuel. Everybody laments the Future of running backs. I believe a quarterback's best friend is an O line and a run game, not a needy wide receiver. I like Deebo. He's a good player, but it's kind of become a cliche now. The receiver that needs touches and attention. In the end, running backs don't. Their careers are shorter. It's almost like they're more appreciative. Debo Samuel, once they drafted Ricky Pearsall, felt like he was no longer part of the San Francisco 49ers future.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was raw.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I was way wrong on Nick Ceriani. Never loved his methodology and yelling at fans and confrontations on the bench. But you know what? Two Super Bowls in three years. He feels, you know, what can I say? The team likes him, the city likes him, the coaches like him. You know, he's a little bit emotional. Well, so was Bill Parcells. I made a mistake of thinking that everybody coaches the same, and they don't. You know, there's creative guys like Andy Reid. There's more rigid guys like Bill Belichick. There's more emotional guys like Dan Campbell and Nick Sirianni, and then there's more stoic guys throughout the league. So everybod coach is different. And I have learned my lesson.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, Joel Embiid might need another knee surgery. I've never understood Embiid. He didn't play his first two years in the league because of injuries. They had injury concerns coming out of Kansas. Why is everybody denying the truth? When bigs are hurt early, they're hurt often, and he's a tremendous player. But as we saw in the Olympics, he does at times have real problems playing well with others. Yes, he's talented. Yes, there's some components that make him look a little like Shaq. But in the end, they've always, like, denied the injury stuff. And once again, he no longer plays in back to backs.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Injury issues surface where Collin was right.
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Colin Cowherd
I said I thought Jimmy Butler to the warriors would happen and should happen. He makes him more interesting. But I also think there's a physical component to his game. He was part of a Warriors blowout win over Chicago. Steph Curry talked about his importance, and now Steph said, he's almost the opposite of me, so it's a good fit. I think the idea that he's like the exact opposite player of me, which is kind of funny, like, I'm shooting 16 threes, he shot one, got to the free throw line a lot. He's dominating the paint. I'm dominating Outside in the perimeter, guys working around this has a potential to be really, really fun. The warriors needed some juice. Jimmy Butler is absolutely that. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. And with that, we bring in Matt Hasselback, who is appropriately wearing green. Well, you know what? I kept pushing back on Sirianni. I kept saying, ugh, Ugh. Yelling at fan. What's he, a caller on WIP radio. What is going on? And you kept defending.
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Matt Hasselbeck
First time, long time.
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Colin Cowherd
And you just kept saying, you're wrong, Col, but let's go back.
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Matt Hasselbeck
And you said you learned your lesson.
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Colin Cowherd
I did.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I actually don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. I think you're saying what you know you need to say, but I think you still don't understand. I don't how Nick Sirianni has been so successful. Explain it to me right, or am I wrong?
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Colin Cowherd
No, you're right. Explain it to me. Because it looks at times so juvenile, and I'm like, be a coach. But they love him.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Love him?
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NFL Analyst
Him.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Absolutely love him. And listen, the first month of the season, people were calling for his head. Everyone on tv, everyone with a pen, a typewriter, whatever, you know, has a Twitter account, you know, they're calling for his head. But. But he kind of reminds me of Big Dom. I was trying to think about how I could explain this to you. Okay, Big Dom, everybody outside the building's like, man, what's this guy's deal? Stay back off the sideline, like, what's your deal? Like, what's with all that? But, like, the people there, they would take a bullet for him. Like, that's their guy. Anybody that's been through Philly, my brother played in Philly. I know a lot of people that played in Philly. They're like, oh, Big Dom, he's the guy. It's kind of the same thing with Sirianni. Like, I know there's some. There's. There's a little bit of strife sometimes there's. There's iron sharpening iron. Sometimes there's some sparks. But, like, no, I think he is a legitimate, legitimate coach. He's a great leader. And. And I just think he's got his team focused. So, no, I'm happy for him. I think he did an excellent job this year.
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Colin Cowherd
So you got to explain this to me. And I. And I. And it's easy to dump on Kansas City today, but as you know, you watch film and you prepare, and then you get into games, and you were in these Games, you're like, oh, hell, we can't block them. And then over. I always thought Tom was really good at this because Tom got it. There were a lot of times Tom did not have the best hand and Super Bowls are conference champ. I always thought those Baltimore teams had better players, but Tom was really good at manipulating the offense. Like, okay, I'm just going to get first downs. Let's just keep our defense off the field. Let's get to the fourth quarter. 34. Nothing is not a territory Tom was in. And. And again, I thought Philadelphia had better players. I said that all week. But it didn't feel like to me, Matt, that they adjusted. I felt like Kansas City was running the same deeper routes over and over. Am I wrong? It. I just felt like, okay, Patrick, shorten, quicker, manipulate, cadence stuff you talk about. I didn't feel like they had a second pitch.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, they took away one of his superpowers and it did remind me a little bit of a Tom Brady super bowl early on when it was 28 to 3. Yeah, I'm kind of doing the math. I'm like, all right, that's 25 points. You know, it's 24. Nothing here like this could be his Tom Brady 28 to three moment. He's going to bring them back. They're going to go, no huddle. They're going to do something. But what Vic Fangio and Philly did, one of the things that they did is they took away his superpower. And what I mean by that is that, and I mentioned this to you before the game, one of the things that Patrick Mahomes is as good, as good as anybody at, maybe the best is redirecting and sliding his protection, six man and seven man protections and finding the blitzers. And they didn't really blitz. Now you're going to hear everybody on TV say they never blitz. That's not true. Go watch the tape. They blitzed at least three times, but they were zone replace, fire, zone type blitzes. They had Zach Bond blitzing. They had 40, number 42. I think his name's blanking on his name right now. But they did blitz. But what they had him doing is they had him seeing ghosts at times because it was a three man or a four man rush. Most of the time it was an eight people dropping in coverage or seven people dropping in coverage most of the time while Kansas City was committing six people or seven people in protection. So what happens in a situation like that is you have your left tackle, left tackle, right tackle, running back in for protection, blocking no. 1. And you have all these extra defenders in the secondary and. And they were. Yes, I agree. They were able to get home with a D line pass rush the whole night and it absolutely disrupted them. He was on edge and then you saw the turnovers happen. Very uncharacteristic.
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Colin Cowherd
I was lauding kind of the, you know, Super Bowls are different. Paralysis by analysis, two weeks to prepare. And of course he had great protection with the O line, but he did have an ugly pick. When you watch Jalen Hurts, I don't think he's going to go down as one of the great pocket passers of all time. But you know what? It's not affecting him in Super Bowls. He's been great in both of them. When you watch Jalen Hurts, if you didn't, if you had never heard commentary and you just watched three or four games of him, is there something that I don't see that you see the art of playing a quarterback, that he doesn't quite get the credit he deserves. You as a pro quarterback for 18 years see it and I just wouldn't see it.
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Matt Hasselbeck
He's very steady, never too high, never too low. He does a lot at the land of scrimmage they call two plays. A lot of times he's alerting or killing or getting out of one play into another. The other thing is in like their bread and butter runs with Saquon. He's got the ball in his hands now he's reading a defender. He's either given it or running it. They ran him quarterback lead a bunch. But you're right, he completed 12 passes past the line of scrimmage in the entire game. But they were big passes. Most of them fades post. But I thought if I were to, if I were to give him like, sort of like, hey, this is the thing you do better than anybody else could be tush push. Yes. But I think in this, in this game, third quarter, he had a scramble for 16 yards, 14 yards, 17 yards, and then another scramble that ended up as a 22 yard completion to Saquon Barkley. Those are back breakers. Those are like the defense called the perfect defense, played it perfectly. And now the quarterback gets out and just absolutely like kicks us in the stomach. Takes our breath away. And obviously the no critical errors when the quarterback on the other side turned the ball over three times.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, again, this is easy for me to do on a Monday, so I don't want to have recency bias. But if you go look at Patrick Mahomes five Super Bowls he's three two and his passer ratings in the 80s. Now, I would think two weeks with Andy Reid would be such a prohibitive advantage. But when I watch the game, my take is maybe I've given him a little bit too much credit on the pre snap stuff. And in the end, he's got a style, he plays it, he ad libs. And he's not, you know, I heard this years ago. He's not a film junkie. He's not bad at it, but he's not Brady or Breeze, where he's literally staring at that thing 300 days a year. Does it. How does it not affect his legacy a little bit, Matt? I mean, to, to lose like that in one of the worst games a quarterback has played in the Super bowl, how do I not. It sticks to me. I can't unsee what I saw. Right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, one of the best things about football, and you heard Nick Sirianni and many others talk about it last night, is it's the ultimate team sport. Like I've played my entire life, it's ultimate team sport. And, you know, I'll probably screw the quote up, but he said it over and over again. The whole team did. It's hard to be great when there's not greatness around you or something to that effect. I don't think the guys around Patrick played particularly well. You've got, you know, right off the top of my head, two of the guys with the best hands, like maybe in all of this planet dropping very easy passes to cast, to catch, but clearly he did not have a great day. And that's sports and that happens. But, but it is a team sport. And so like, yes, the legacy and all that kind of thing, but there were moments when he was trying to put the team on his back. And again, I just think like pass protection is, is huge. You think about how Kansas City even got here in the first place, beating Buffalo. Guys stepped up. I'm thinking of that Xavier worthy catch when it should have been intercepted and he came down with it. Guys step up and do something above the X's and O's and you know, the, the turnovers and then guys playing like really, like we're just beating ourselves, we're laid off the ball, we're dropping passes, we're having penalties where it just was, it was just not their night. I don't know, I don't know what all went into that, but that was an unrecognizable team to me.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You know, I don't expect players to be general managers. But I said Philadelphia was so overpowering on the lines. It made me think, if I was the commander's gm or the Cowboys or the Rams or Packers or the Lions, I would say, guys, it may change free agency and draft opinions in those rooms. Is that when that Seahawk team was so relentless, you know, you looked around, you're like, if we got to play those guys twice, we got to get better tackles. And I could be a little over the top here, but I did feel watching that game, man, if I'm, if I'm Washington, I may go after Miles Garrett, I may go after Trey Smith. Like, we're like nine players away from beating Philadelphia. You tell me as a player, did you ever have a team in your division where like the guys were like, we need more dudes. This has to be an aggressive off season.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, it's a cop. It's a copycat league all the way. I mean, my Rookie year was 1998. That was Randy Moss's first year. He absolutely destroyed the NFC that year. Just destroyed us, the Green Bay Packers. What did we do the next year? Ray Rhodes is the head coach. We drafted a corner in the first round, the second round, and the third because of Randy Moss. And we really didn't lose anybody either. Like, it wasn't like we like, oh, we got to replace some people. No, we just added, we got to figure this out. And like, that absolutely happens. You go back to the, the New York Giants super bowl where they knocked off Tom Brady and the Patriots when they were undefeated. You got Michael Strahan, ocumen, your Justin Tuck, like they won it with a four man rush. The next year. Everyone was trying to do the same thing, like, hey, we just need this amazing four man rush. It makes all the guys in the back end, the back seven look so much better. And then you think about the other super bowl that Patrick Mahomes lost to Tampa. Copycat league, like, oh, shoot. What's the formula? The formula is protection up front. We're going to over invest in pass protection because that's the name of the game. So yeah, this is a copycat league through and through. That's why when, when somebody said, you know, they kind of had this idea like, you do not need to pay a running back. You can go running back by committee. Everyone kind of went that way. Now it'd be interesting to see with the success that Saquon had, how are people going to feel about that? Are we going to draft running backs high this year? Are we going to pay running backs in free agency? But no. If you look at what the Philly, what Philadelphia Eagles and their defense did with a four man rush most of the night, then, then Miles Garrett added to a team is like a no brainer. And the beauty of it for him, I don't think he needs more money. I think what he wants is a great organization who will be relevant in January and has a quarterback that can go out and help them hoist the Lombardi. That's what he cares about.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. By the way, one final question not related to the Super Bowl. We had talked about Aaron Rodgers, second NFL team, packers, jets, just said, hey, listen, we're going to move on. I don't know if he wants to play. That's, that's up to Aaron. If you're Vegas, roll the dice or go. I mean if you could do Aaron for a year or get one of the young college quarterbacks who you may not see as an A plus plus, you know, prospect, what do you think happens to Aaron?
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Matt Hasselbeck
If you had a guess, it won't be Vegas. I don't, I don't see, I don't see that for Pete Carroll. I don't see that for Chip Kelly. That, I don't see that. I do see Aaron Rodgers playing football. I don't see him playing for the jets, obviously. But there is a team out there that absolutely would want Aaron Rodgers for a lot of different reasons. I think it'd be refreshing for him, rejuvenating for him. You know, who knows, maybe it could be the Tennessee Titans. And you know, some people say like, oh, he's got a house there. Like it doesn't matter to him he go get a house like that. Just like, right. You know, he could probably venmo with his account, you know, for a house. But it's not so much that I think there's an opportunity to go play in that Joe Burrow offense with Brian Callahan. Maybe you rub off on Will Levis a little bit and kind of like, you know, I think he's, he's a kid who has all the tools but maybe just needs a little more savvy and tangibles, maybe a calmness that Aaron Rodgers can bring. And I think it might be fun, I think it might be fun for Aaron Rodgers to, to just get out of New York and just play somewhere else. So I don't know, I'm spitballing here, but that feels right to me.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you were right. We have a new segment where Matt was right and Colin was wrong. And you just watched it for 20.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Minutes twice a day. Like a broken. Like a broken clock.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, you've been great all season. We'll hear from you multiple times off season. Good seeing you, Matt, as well. Thank you.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Had fun, man. Thank you.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. He's been great for us all year. Yeah. I think Nashville. He's got a house in Nashville. I think that's the one that you may have mentioned this. That one feels right. Offensive coach got a place in Nashville. You know that division is literally on an annual base, is completely up for grabs.
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NFL Analyst
That's a good point. How do you think Will Levis would. I don't think, as you say, who cares? But they don't. They have a pretty decent pick in the draft.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, but here's my. Here's my take. You take Aaron for a year or two, you move off that number one pick, accumulate all sorts of picks, build your roster with five extra draft picks, and then next year, which is the year for much better quarterbacks, go get it. Or get a Riley Leonard in the third round or something. I. I just think when you have that first pick. My theory on draft drafting in the NFL, always trade down if you have the number one pick. Unless there's a transformational quarterback. And in most issues, we find that the second or third quarterback taken is the best quarterback.
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NFL Analyst
Do you think Cam Ward is transformational?
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Colin Cowherd
No, and I don't. I like Shador more than him, but I don't think he's transformational either. I think they're both capable of being franchise quarterbacks, but my take is bring in Aaron for a year. He'll be home, he'll be happier, he'll be out of New York and, and. And just trade down your pick and fill the roster out.
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NFL Analyst
So Hasselbeck mentioned Rodgers in Tennessee and I'm thinking, like, if I'm Brian Callahan. I've worked my entire career as a coach to get to be a head coach. I see Will Levitz for a year, he vomits all over himself. He's not the guy. Do I want to go with Aaron Rodgers in year two when if it goes sideways, there's a decent chance I'm fired? That was my shot. I would rather reboot with a new quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
All right.
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NFL Analyst
Just because, like, it's going to give.
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Colin Cowherd
Me a longer Runway.
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NFL Analyst
Right. Kenmore doesn't. Is it a phenomenal As a rookie fight? Let's see what we saw some growth. Maybe year two.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, there was also a feeling, fair or not, that Aaron Rodgers got rid of McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers didn't help Salah. So if you're Callahan to your point, you're like listen, just, just selfishly for my career project, you know, Ascension, Aaron's not good for coaches.
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NFL Analyst
How about Brian Dable in New York Giants? They don't have. I mean I think they're sitting. Yeah, they're not going to get one of the top two quarterbacks unless Shador slides. If Stafford thing doesn't materialize, Dable's like who does he have? What's the game plan? Dable's going to get run out of town. You know that if they don't win this season.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh no, there's no question he has.
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NFL Analyst
To get a quarterback. And like I mean was Justin Fields. Is it Russell Wilson? They did kick the tires on Russell Wilson. I think they met him in an airport for coffee when he was eligible before he went to the Steelers. So it's gonna be fun. Now we got, we got quarterback controversy this off season.
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Colin Cowherd
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NFL Analyst
Didn't Brady say that he went nine years between super bowl wins or some, some lengthy.
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Colin Cowherd
Seems inconceivable.
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NFL Analyst
Totally. And like he won so many. But I, I, you're right. You look at this team and it's like Rasheed Rice, remember that rocky off season that he had? Now he's got the injury. You don't know for sure what's going to happen over the next six months with that guy.
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Colin Cowherd
This was Brady Friday talking about just how hard it is to win these Super Bowls.
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Tom Brady
What I realized early in my career about Super Bowls was, man, we won my first year. Like, what's the big deal? It's like, I went to college, we played Norwich Bowl, I won. We went to the Citrus bowl, we won. Okay, now I'm in the Super Bowl. We won. All right, what's the big we, we didn't have a great season. 2002, we won in 2003. What's the big deal? We won in 2004. What's the big deal, right? Then you go to 2007 and you lose, and then you go to 2011 and you get to the super bowl after having a great team in 2010 and we lose. And it was just like, wow, this is way harder. We went 10 years between winning and.
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Colin Cowherd
Remember, I think their most talented offense, the Randy Moss West Welker years, hey, win. It was. It was. And this is not a knock on anybody. But I don't think, I don't think right now Mahomes has a good enough offensive line and a good enough running back room. And at the very end, they don't have enough dependable elite targets worthy exploded late in the year. And they deserve credit for that. And he deserves credit. But Brady also talked about the effect losing Super Bowls has on quarterbacks.
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Tom Brady
When you lose this game, this is on your resume forever. A loss in the super bowl matters more than any loss that you're ever going to be a part of. When I go in Philly and they go, philly special. Philly special. And I'm at the Knicks game with my son, in spite of Lee, I throw him a ball and he puts the ball and he catches it on his head like the helmet catch. I mean, that was 17 years ago, and I'm still living that thing down. So I think the challenging thing, if you look at Patrick, for example, like you want to win this game if you're Patrick, because if you don't, you're three and two in Super Bowls. And it's not a great feeling.
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Colin Cowherd
The other thing I'd like to say about this is that all this whining about the NFL being rigged to be the champs, you have to physically beat the champs. And that's what happened. That's what the Giants did to Brady twice. They physically manhandled Dante Skarnekia's very good offensive lines. They pushed him all over the field, and that's what Philadelphia did. So Buffalo can complain, but Buffalo, you don't have enough good players. Defensively, you're not even. You don't have three guys that would start for the Eagles. Defensively, Bengals, you're not aggressive enough in the front office. Baltimore, you get tight in big games. I mean, you watch Philadelphia is Buffalo. How many defensive players for Buffalo start for Philadelphia? I'm dead serious. Milano, that may be it. It's none of their guys in the second there. The proud Steelers can't take you seriously. You want to be champs, you got to do what the Giants did to New England. You got to do what the Seahawks did to Peyton Manning. In Denver, you got to do what Philadelphia did to Kansas City. You left, no doubt you pushed him around early in the game. There's that penalty against Philadelphia. It's terrible. Couple plays, couple series later, there's a makeup call. And in the end, this series came down to something very, very simple. Kansas City could not block Philadelphia, and Kansas City didn't adjust. They by the time they tried to adjust, it was garbage yards and garbage points. They didn't adjust. But you. Sorry. If you want to beat Philadelphia, you got to be better at drafting. You got to be better at trades. You got to be better at free agency. The Bengals can't afford T. Higgins. How in the hell Does Philadelphia afford A.J. brown, Devonte Smith, Saquon Barkley, Jalen hurts. You got to be better. Cincinnati be better in the front office. Every time Buffalo plays Kansas City, they give up 35 plus points. Be better on defense. Quit worrying about a call on fourth down when there's 13 minutes left in the game. Make a stop. The Eagles last five drafts. Look at this. Quinon, Mitchell, Cooper, De Jean, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Jordan Davis, Nakobe Dean, Devonte Smith, Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, Jalen Hurts. It's a Pro bowl lineup. Buffalo, Baltimore draft better. Cincinnati spend more money. Dallas draft better. To be the champs, you got to physically beat the champs. And that's what Philly did.
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NFL Analyst
Colin, how many guys? Just look at a screen. How many of those guys are SEC guys? Off the top of your head, we know. Devontae Smith, Alabama, Jordan Davis, Georgia, Nicole Dean, Georgia, Jalen Carter. I think Georgia, sec.
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Colin Cowherd
They're big school, big brand college programs. Except Mitchell.
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NFL Analyst
Nolan Smith, obviously. Yeah, Mitchell DeJean went to Iowa, I believe. I think Landon Dickerson was at Alabama again. Jalen Hurts obviously had played at Alabama. Hey, man, when it comes to the draft, these sec, they got all the five star dudes. Might want to take them, you know, not the worst thing in the world.
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Colin Cowherd
You started looking around the NFL. Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Bama, they're pretty good. Those got Oklahoma got some good guys. Take a break. Herd line next. Live in Los Angeles, the Herd.
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Colin Cowherd
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NFL Analyst
This Sunday, the great American race takes center stage as NASCAR's greatest drivers battle in the biggest race of the year, the Daytona 500, where champions become legends. Sunday at 2:30 Eastern only on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
Without further ado. J. Mac with the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
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NFL Analyst
Well, Saquon Barkley, Colin did not have an amazing super bowl, however, because of his performance. Combining the regular season, he had the greatest single season rushing record of all time and he got the Lombardi on his 28th birthday. Here's Saquon Barkley after the victory.
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Saquon Barkley
Hell of a year, right? You know, I couldn't do it without, you know, the big boys up front. Everyone on this team, I just appreciate them, the whole Eagles organization of, you know, me being a newcomer welcome me in open arms and, you know, helping build confidence back in me too. You know, that. That was. That was definitely helpful. So it was a hell of a year. But all the numbers and stats for records is cool. But, you know, the best thing is to be able to hold that Lombardi Trophy.
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NFL Analyst
Just phenomenal stuff from Saquon Barkley. The New York Giants, they need to be part of the parade for the Eagles, you know, for giving. I mean, let us have Saquon Barkley.
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Colin Cowherd
They showed his rushing yards in the playoffs on Fox before the game, and it was like 683 yards. And I was thinking for a second, could he get a thousand yards just in the playoffs? No, it didn't happen. I mean, you could tell basically what the game plan was by the Chiefs, which is it's all about Saquon. Make Jalen beat us over the top. And very early. He did.
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NFL Analyst
Saquon is the third player to lead the NFL in rushing yards and win a Super Bowl. The other two are trivia questions. Do you want to take a gander? They're both in the last 30 years.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, ask it again.
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NFL Analyst
Third player sake one is to lead the NFL in rushing and win a Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Okay.
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NFL Analyst
One of them is super famous as a running back. You should get easily on a dynasty, lead the league in rushing and win a Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
Would it be Kareem Hunt, his first time with Kansas City?
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NFL Analyst
Smith.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, Emmett Smith.
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NFL Analyst
Yeah. And then you made it sound like.
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Colin Cowherd
It happened 15 minutes ago. So I think the Kareem Hunt lead the league.
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NFL Analyst
Emmett Smith and Terrell Davis are the others. Saquon, just unbelievable. Next up, Colin, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. It's funny, you know, we don't need to hear from the Cowboys. And all of a sudden Jerry Jones decides to pipe up at NFL honors. Speaking with Diana Rossini, Jerry talked about how he expected Dallas to be in the Super Bowl. I wouldn't have signed Dak Prescott, highest.
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Colin Cowherd
Paid player in the NFL, if now.
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NFL Analyst
Wasn'T when we wanted to win.
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Colin Cowherd
This is a shocker to be here at this super bowl and not have the Cowboys here. I didn't plan on that when I.
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NFL Analyst
Made that as great as you like.
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Colin Cowherd
So we're going to do everything we can to get there. Remember, he's the GM of the Cowboys against Howie Roseman. I mean, did he watch the game? Dallas is eight players shy of competing. They don't have a running back. The Eagles have Saquon Barkley. They have the weakest running back room in the league. If CD Lamb twists an ankle. What do they have?
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NFL Analyst
But just his logic of we just need to sign Dak Prescott and go to the Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
He's become, he's become the older Al Davis where he's just. Nothing makes sense like it's Dallas fans. I think they know it. We've seen studies on Cowboy fans like you're not a viable franchise.
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NFL Analyst
You should do a top 10 in the NFC pre draft, pre free.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, Dallas is not in it.
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NFL Analyst
Yeah, I don't think they're in there.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, absolutely not. I mean, Philadelphia, Washington is now in it. Green Bay, Minnesota has it this.
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NFL Analyst
Who's got a better roster, Seattle or Dallas? Seattle, by far, don't even need to think. It's like not.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, Seattle has eight or nine really good players, most of them young.
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NFL Analyst
Everybody in the NFC north has a better roster than.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean it's every single NFC north team. I mean, I'll say this and I give them a lot of crap. The jets have a better roster. The jets have five or six elite players.
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NFL Analyst
Cowboys have like three.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the Cowboys have two. CD Lamb and Micah Parsons. That is it. And I, I would move over shown.
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NFL Analyst
The guy who got hurt. Right.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, I like they're like. The Eagles have 10 players. We love just starting with two corners, two tackles, two guards, a running back, a quarterback, a tight end, two linebackers. I mean it just, it's endless. I mean, one of the things about the Eagles is I don't know if they're good at kicking. Well, they were yesterday.
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NFL Analyst
Yeah, Elliot was money.
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Colin Cowherd
Great.
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NFL Analyst
Yeah. Final story is let's head to the NBA where Anthony Davis made his Mavs debut Saturday. Colin, if you just watch the first half of this, Anthony Davis. Oh my God. Dominic. 26, 16 and 7. And then in the third quarter, a non contact abductor strain injury. AD said he's very confident it will not be a significant setback. But we just heard it's going to be multiple weeks, could be a month. They're estimating him out for 12 games. He didn't make it through the first game. He played as a Dallas Maverick and we know his history, but he had.
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Colin Cowherd
Been healthy mostly for the last two years.
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NFL Analyst
He had and now he's not. And it comes on the heels of Mavs owner Patrick Dumont. I don't know if you heard this.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I read the story.
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NFL Analyst
This is, I mean if I'm Luka Doncic seeing this, I might go for 50 tonight here for playing for the Lakers. Here's what the owner said, taking a Shot at. Luca, if you look at the greats in the league, the people you and I grew up with, Jordan Bird, Kobe, Shaq, they worked really hard every day with a singular focus to win. And if you didn't have that, it doesn't work. And if you don't have that, you shouldn't be a part of the Dallas Mavericks. That's who we want. I'm unwavering in this. If you want to take a vacation, don't do it with us.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, Shaq was. Shaq was not one of the harder workers. Not even close.
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NFL Analyst
Blows over this.
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Colin Cowherd
Charles Barkley was a great player. He wasn't known as having an accelerated passion for working out. Allen Iverson. You talking about practice? Not. I mean, Carmelo Anthony never committed to defense. I mean, there's been a lot of great players. Again, I'll say it. I don't mind moving off. Luca, you got to get more than one first round pick. I told you. Anthony Davis, Austin Reeves.
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NFL Analyst
You don't mind moving off.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no. If you gave me Anthony Davis, Austin Reeves, and three firsts, and you did. Didn't like the condition, well, you say that's crazy, but go look at what Kevin Durant got. He got like, nine picks.
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NFL Analyst
Yeah, look.
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Colin Cowherd
Got like four firsts.
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NFL Analyst
Mikhail Bridges got five firsts.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you. You gotta get more. If you gave me. Austin Reeves is averaging 20 a game in the last two months. I mean, he's been phenomenal. Anthony Davis, a top six player, three firsts. Okay, but you can't do Anthony because.
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NFL Analyst
Max Christie's a good young player. He scored 20 the other half.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, Max. Max is a rotate. He should be the first guy off the bench. Or maybe your fifth starter.
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NFL Analyst
He's a starter in a couple years.
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Colin Cowherd
Crispy's fine. There's nothing wrong with Max Christie. Not Christy. Nice player.
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NFL Analyst
Yeah. I cannot wait to see Luca tonight.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, are you going to the game?
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NFL Analyst
I'm not. Unfortunate.
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Colin Cowherd
Why don't you go? Well, why can't.
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NFL Analyst
My buddy with season tickets is out of town. He's. He's in Aspen, so. Yeah, I'm not.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't. I don't have any buddies like that.
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NFL Analyst
Yeah, right.
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Colin Cowherd
Mine are over at Denny's, grabbing breakfast this morning.
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NFL Analyst
Stop it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yours are in Aspen. All right. Nice to know. J. Mac with the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
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Colin Cowherd
Manhattan beach among the elites. I don't know. I'm just out here shoveling snow. What can I tell you?
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NFL Analyst
You're not even in Chicago yet. What are you talking.
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Colin Cowherd
My wife called me from Vermont today. She's out there with her daughter. It's coming down, baby.
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Saquon Barkley
Oh, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
No, it is for the rest of the country. Maple syrup. Be safe out there, folks. It is. We're getting some really, really snowstorms Midwest.
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NFL Analyst
And Northeast beach volleyball this weekend. It's going to be warm here.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, well, consider it. All right. That's fantastic. Rub it in. Okay. Good stuff. First two hours of the show fly by. It is. Man, I wish Mark Williams. I wish that trade would have gone through. We could be looking at the first of many championships in la. And now we can't defend the rim. How life changes Whether you're ordering wings for the game, whipping up a seven layer dip, or ordering pizza, there's something about football that makes me want to eat. And this football season, Uber Eats has the best deals for me on game day. Food no matter what I'm craving. From two for one pizza. To buy one, get one wings. Uber Eats will be dropping new deals each week all season long. I'm in Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order now for game day. Terms and conditions apply. See app for details.