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Matt Hasselbeck
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Producer
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
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Matt Hasselbeck
Man. Hour one on a Monday flew by. We are live. We're in Chicago. It is the Herd. Good stuff. With Matt Hasselbeck in about four or five minutes. Training camps are underway. Training camps are different, depending on the roster. Got a young team, a couple of them out there. Very interesting stuff. Jmac. You know, I was thinking about this. We talked about the Big Ten overtaking the sec, and a lot of it is the Big Ten campuses. There's more students, they graduate. It's easier to raise NIL money. If you look at the top two teams in the SEC now, nil spending, it's Texas and Texas A and M. That's not the sec, that's Texas economy. And so if you look at the Big Ten, Oregon's got money, USC's got money, Michigan's got money, Ohio State's got money. It's different. Those are bigger schools, more graduates. And I think that's why the Big Ten is going to win its third straight national championship. Facilities used to matter. Now it's about paying the players. And the Big Ten can just consistently have fewer players poached and pay more elite players.
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News Anchor
Yeah. By the way, do you remember early last year? I think it was like August and early September, a lot of SEC teams were losing games. And I think we talked about at the time, and the SEC fans, oh, it's early. We're going to be fine. They're not. They're definitely not fine. I thought your car dealership point first hour was really spot on. Like car dealership money's great. Pre nil. Now in the nil era, there's so much bigger money at play with some of these other universities. The Texas Tech example, Colin.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah.
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News Anchor
They got one billionaire.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. If you took the Longhorns and the Aggies out of the sec, the gap in spending between the Big Ten and the SEC would be even larger. I mean, it's like the Longhorns in A and M. That's the Texas economy. The Texas economy, It's one of the biggest economies in the world. It's a monster. That's a whole different ball game. Saban knew this very early. When the nil money started, he grumbled. Year one, you go back and look at those quotes and I said it on the air he is grumbling because he sees the truth. He can't compete. Sark's roster, second year of the nil was Nick's roster three years earlier. Bigger, stronger, faster guys. Here we go on a Monday. Colin right. Colin wrong. Let's roll it.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, the offensively tone deaf Steelers. Mike Tomlin can't help himself. Gave TJ Watt the biggest non quarterback contract in the league. They will once again lead the NFL in defensive spending. It's not the player, but they paid Jalen Ramsey, they played Darius Slay, they paid TJ Watt, yet they can't get their offensive line right. They let Najee Harris go. It's not that Mike Tomlin's not a good coach. This organization spends too much money. Philly does it ra don't ners let defensive guys go. Kansas City doesn't pay defense. Pittsburgh does.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Just when I gave the WNBA players credit for in a private poll naming Caitlin Clark as the face of the league going forward. And then Kelsey Plum comes out, takes a shot at Caitlin Clark because her team wasn't present for, you know, the meetings they're having regarding the negotiations. She said it was a very powerful moment wearing those T shirts. But she said, you know, nobody from team Caitlin Clark was present. Can we stop? You guys are flying private. There's one reason Caitlin Clark. Somebody joined the band that's really popular. You're traveling in style. Give it a break.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
NFL executives, scouts and coaches last week ranked J. Jalen Hurts 9th best quarterback in the NFL. That's what I've said. Character, leadership, playmaking, strength. Excellent. Love him, but from the pocket. Yeah. After a Week 5 by the Eagles coaching staff reduced the number of passes thrown per game to 24. And they were a better offense. Nobody's doing that for Mahomes or Josh Allen. I can like a player but say, yeah, there's, there's limitations. Greg Cosell's been saying this for years. I love Jalen Hurts. He's not an elite pocket thrower.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Consistently where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I said Penn State I've set up for the last month is the best team in the Big Ten. It's not Ohio State. Even though the Buckeyes have the best offensive player and the best defensive player in Ryan Day. Penn State was just awarded the media poll over Ohio State as the best team in the conference. My prediction is a Penn State Texas national championship. I'll figure out at the time who wins it, but I think the Big Ten we've been on it for a year has overtaken the SEC as the best program. And the fact that Penn State gets higher rated by the media that knows those programs over the Buckeyes who bring back the best two players in the.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Sport says something where Colin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I sold my Shador Sanders stock after two speeding tickets. I'm like bro, you're a quarterback and you're a fifth round pick. You gotta have more self awareness. But Mary Kay Cabot reported this week that because he performed so well at camp, he has a legitimate chance to win the starting job. So perhaps I bailed a little early.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
The ESPN rankings of the top rosters this year in the NFL seven of the top 12 are NFC. This is something we started talking about last year. There was about a three year period where the gap between the AFC and the NFC was noticeable. But if you watch the NFL last year roster composition I thought the NFC had more elite rosters. I thought Philadelphia's roster was the best. Detroit's was second, Baltimore's third. Seven of the top 12 are NFC and oh by the way, the NFC 48 and 33 against the AFC last.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Year where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
What a shocker. Only one NFL team hasn't signed their first round pick and it's the always cheap Cincinnati Bengals. Shemar Stewart is the holdout. I've said it for years. Zach Taylor gets criticized by a lot of people in the NFL. Ah, it's all Joe Burrow. He's got the cheapest owner. There are owners. I don't love the guy down in Miami, but he spends. The facilities are amazing. Free agents love Miami. One team can't finalize their deal with a first round pick. The Cincinnati Bengals. That's why Joe Burrow's always ticked off.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Where Colin was raw.
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Matt Hasselbeck
The Dodgers have hit.198 as a team in their last 10 games. Last in baseball they're 2 and 10 in their last 12. Just swept by the Brewers. Mookie Betts is in the worst slump of his career. They moved Ohtani out of the leadoff spot. The pitching, too many injuries. I thought this lineup, I believed it at the time. I said you can make an argument after Ohtani. Mookie Betts is the best player in baseball. This is the best batting order I have seen since the 75 Reds.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
They officially can't hit where Collin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, Bradley Beal went to the clippers and Jason McIntyre said it's the kind of move that will shift the paradigm of the NBA. Well, I looked at the odds makers they were plus 2000 pre trade plus 2000 Clippers post trade. Oldest roster in the NBA with Brook Lopez and Bradley Beal just got older. The Bradley Beal acquisition did not make a dent in the Clippers futures despite the admiration of one Jason McIntyre and with that our friend. We love having him on the show. It's a Monday. It's Matt Hasselbeck 18 year NFL season. So I, I said last hour everybody acknowledges how good Sean McVeigh is and how great Andy Reid is and the Harbaughs. But I don't think we quite understand what Peyton has done in Denver. They lost two first round picks to get Russ. He inherited that. The dead cap situation was before Deshaun Watson like the worst contract in the league. You got Herbert and Harbaugh, Mahomes and Reed and they made the playoffs with Bo Nix. And my take is not all coaches are great with personnel, Matt, but this roster is really good. I think you said this about a month ago on this show. You're high on Denver, are you not?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I'm very high. Colin. I kind of wonder if people are holding the his big loss in that championship game in the home team movie. When was it him or Kevin James? I don't know. When he was the offensive coordinator and lost the 12 year old championship. You know what I'm talking. You don't watch movies so you don't know. But no, listen, Denver I think is a major threat in the AFC West. We're going to be talking about what a great coaching division this is. The head coaches that have hoisted Lombardi's three out of the four but. And everyone's going to want to crown Kansas City. I get that. I like them too. But he has something special in Bonitz. He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback. It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had. This defense might be the best defense in the NFL. They're certainly a candidate for that, for that, that award. And then they go out and get Evan Ingram. They've got a running back by committee, kind of a fire and ice, lightning and thunder sort of situation there. A great offensive line. My concern or question would be like what do they have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position. I thought they were pretty good last year, but I thought they might have overachieved. You know, can they continue to improve and grow in that area? But to me, Sean Payton knows exactly what it takes. Everyone believes in him and if that thing gets rolling in Denver, that home field advantage is real just as well. So that's a team to watch in my mind.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, you know, I think another reason why people push back on Peyton is because Andy Reid rarely says something, rarely steps in it. Sean McVay doesn't. Shanahan, you know, they're kind of PC up front. You know, Sean's not. Sean goes after people. And the truth is I think people inside the league know how good he is. But Sean has alienated some people because he is. I mean, I know Sean, that's his personality. He's totally authentic. He's like a little bit like Jim Harbaugh. Ten years ago, half the league hated Harbaugh, half revered him. I think that's part of the Peyton dynamic. Do you?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. But in listen, I think also people were surprised when it didn't work out with Russell Wilson. I wasn't really surprised because I know that I know what kind of coach Sean Payton is. Known him for a long time. He knows exactly what he wants and exactly how it wants it, how he wants it. So like he, he, he's not looking to hear like, oh, what are you comfortable with, Mr. Quarterback? Like, he doesn't care. He's like, listen, hop on board, follow me. It's going to work. And so like last year as an example, I think they did a lot of things that Bonix was comfortable with. Like, hey, listen, I would like, I think Sean Payton almost thought of it this way. I would prefer if you were under center more but since this is year one for you, we'll go gun, we'll go shotgun more for you. But in year two, like, we're going to do it more my way. We're going to be under center more. We're going to do a lot of the things that I like to do and I don't think he's very moldable. Like, I don't think he wants to move off his spot, which is totally fine when you're Sean Payton. And I think that could be a rub with a veteran quarterback that's done it differently. That's why I think having Bo Nix is just so great. He's got a maturity because of how much he played in college, but he also has kind of this moldability of a young player.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So I think camps are different based on your personnel. I do think there are teams like Kansas City, Reed, Mahomes, Kelsey, now they have to rework their offensive line. But Chris Jones, now those defensive players who were young three years ago, they know the system was spags. So Like Kansas City. The preseason to me feels kind of irrelevant. Just stay healthy. Your thought, Are there a couple of teams you look at and think, yeah, the next three weeks matter a lot.
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Colin Cowherd
Detroit, I mean, I don't think we're understanding how hard it's going to be for Detroit to overcome all the losses that they've had. I mean, they losing your offensive and defensive coordinator, that's not nothing. You know, not really being sure who the five starters are up front. Like, that's not nothing. Now listen, they get an extra week, they get an extra preseason, you know, they get with the hall of Fame game and all that. But now they're also battling that, like sort of attrition. So I think that still, like, to me, the teams that have a lot of change, you know, there's other teams around the league that have a lot of new pieces. I'll say, like the New England Patriots as an example, maybe the, you know, maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers, people that have new people. And so having time on task is also important. Like, Aaron Rodgers showed up late. Is it a big deal? Like, no, it's not a big deal. But this is, this is not what training camp was like when I first got into the NFL. When I first got into the NFL, you know, you'd hear players talk in the locker room. They'd say, hey, I'm going to play myself into shape in training camp, camp. And I got the preseason, by the start of the season, I'll be in shape. Like, that's just not how it is anymore. Like the, it's, it's, it's OTAs, it's, it's mini minicamp, it's that off season time, the five or six weeks before training camp. It's training camp, it's joint practices. So it's, it's, it's a different NFL. And when you're not in pads until like the short window in training camp with 1A days, not 2A days, I think it's tougher for continuity for coordinators and O lineman.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So this question is one that you can singularly answer that I really can't. So I said, one of the things that's fascinating, if I look at Jaden Daniels, I could say from just one year, he's either going to be really good or a legend. I look at Bo Nix and I'm like, he's either going to be good or really good. May not be a legend. I look at Caleb Williams and there's a lot of outcomes. Wow. Or yeah, this didn't work at all. And because there are some habits, he holds on to the ball too long. He kind of misses on some easy stuff. You were one of the few people that came out last year and said it's not all the coaches, some of this. But I. Here's my thing, Matt. I think his flaws are correctable. Like Lamar Jackson got really good in the pocket. His pocket presence, it wasn't good the first two years. It's really good the last three. Josh Allen, accuracy bad to really good. I think that's Caleb. I think his. I think he is. His weaknesses are coachable. A Do you agree and what will you see in the first month that could concern you with all this new staff and all these new players?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I agree that those things are fixable. I would also say the guys you mentioned, Lamar and Josh Allen, they were otherworldly and elite and something else as you work through some of their, you know, maturity as they're a young quarterback growing up. I think the thing for Caleb is that the excuses are now gone. Like, they have done a great job. Ryan Polls has done a great job of building this roster around him, building this coaching staff around him. Now it's all up to him to be a fulfillment of what they thought he was going to be when they made him the first pick. Overall, he's got everything that he needs. He's got maybe the. The premier quarterback whisperer coming out that was available this year. He's got everything he needs. I think the thing that's going to happen for him this year, the pressure and the heat will turn up on him. If guys like Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix and Drake May and J.J. mcCarthy and some of these other guys in his draft class do really, really well. Fair or not fair, that'll be the standard that he gets measured against. So, you know, I think as those guys go, I think that'll have a. That'll have an effect on what people think about Caleb in year two.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So Nick Saban. There's two people I trust, Lane Kiffin and Greg McElroy, who both hinted at Saban returning. I don't think he's going back to college because nil money, universities now have to raise 15 million for nil. They'd have to buy out their coach, pay SABAN, it'd be $100 million check. And outside of Texas, I don't think anybody or Phil Knight Nike money could afford that. So I think he's going to go to the NFL. Do you think it would work this time for Saban?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think it could work like the reality of the NFL is that most of the guys in the NFL, most of the players are in years one, two or three. It's a very young league right now. You have some outliers and quarterbacks, some guys that are old, but the most of the roster is young. So he would know these guys maybe as well as anybody. And I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge in my mind, for a guy like that, going from Alabama to the NFL, you're not going to have a better roster than all the guys you play. Like, that's just not going to be the fat, you know, that's not going to be how it is in the NFL. And then the other thing is like understanding how to deal with a franchise quarterback in the NFL is going to be very different than college. You can't necessarily talk to them that way. You can't go musical chairs if you feel like switching a guy at halftime. It rarely works in the NFL. So I think that would probably be the biggest adjustment. But in terms of respect, knowledge of the game, the staff that he could acquire, I mean, it would be Belichick esque in my mind if you were to get him as a, as an NFL head coach.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right, finally, Aaron Rodgers, 41. Go to your last two camps. What was the advantage of being the old guy in camp and what was the disadvantage?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the big perk I remember I was, I got my own bed, I got two twin beds, moved together next to Adam Venatori, who was the oldest guy on the team, I was the second guy, second oldest. But between me, Vinnie and like Reggie Wayne, like the old guys get that perk, you know, I think camps are just so different now. Like for Aaron Rodgers, you know, I remember Brett Favre was older in his career. When I first started, we threw twice a day. Two a days were a thing. Now with the new cba, there's no such thing as two a day. So for a thrower, training camp's really not that hard. You throw once a day and like I've said many times, like for Aaron Rodgers this year, he can make all the throws. Like when he's 50 years old, he'll be able to make all the throws. What has to change for him is in his mind, he probably thinks he can move around in the pocket like he always could, and that's just not the case. He cannot. He's not as, he's not as mobile. He's not. He doesn't have that escapability. So he's going to have to change his game and rely basically, I would say, much more just on his brain, his eyes and his arm and this sort of forget the, the legs part of it. And I think that's why Tom Brady did such a great job late in his career, because he never really relied on his legs or escapability. Moving too far out of the pocket, that'll be an adjustment for a rod. He can certainly do it. But again, you kind of almost just got to flip your mind a little bit and, and win a different way.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You know, you're. You still live in Nashville, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Correct.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Okay. I was sitting this weekend and somebody on the Internet, I apologize, I forget who it was, but they said, in the last 20 years, has there ever been a number one pick that has gotten less publicity and discussion than Cam Ward? And I'm like, oh my God, it's incredible because last year's class was so profound and we're still waiting to see if Pennix can play and if JJ McCarthy can play and if Caleb could play. We're still paying attention to last year's class. And I'm like, Cam Ward, not only is Tennessee, the Titans, a little bit of an anonymous franchise, there's no talk. So you're down there, you can read the paper. What do you hear about this kid?
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Colin Cowherd
It's all about high school football down here, Colin. You know, it's Friday Night Lights, man. You know, and then you got SEC football on Saturdays. It's like there's, there's like no energy. You know, you got church on Sunday. By the time you get to a titans game at 1:00 clock or 12:00 clock on a Sunday. No, they're, they're, listen, they're, they're one of the teams in the witness protection program of the NFL. Like, they have to do something bad to get a headline. Like, that's just how it is. And having been on teams that were like that in Seattle for a lot of my career, it's okay as a player. Like, it's good. You're all about the ball, you're all about the football. You're not all about the, you know, the drama. And I don't think that's bad for a young quarterback. I really don't. I've seen a young quarterback, first pick overall, literally come out of a quarter and call a timeout on the first play of the game. And like, there was no headline. I remember getting online being like, oh my gosh, people are going to be ripping him for this. No one even said anything. And like, you can't do that playing for the jets or the Cowboys or the, you know, these other teams. Like, you just can't. So it's not the worst place to be as a young quarterback to kind of have some growing pains and be in the shadows just a little bit. But everything that I've heard here is everyone's very, very excited about him as a player.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Hasselbeck, man, you just brought your A game today, buddy. I appreciate it. Thanks for stopping by.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm sweating right off the practice field, you know, so we got to, you know, got to get in shape as coaches too.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Here, here we go. Matt Hasselbeck, our guy, 18 years in the NFL, former six round pick at a Boston College for the Green Bay packers. Had a great career. Yeah, it's. And I don't remember where I read it, but I'm like, nobody is talking about Cam Ward. I mean, think about year two, the pressure on JJ McCarthy, Michael Pennix because of the cousin situation. Raheem Morris has to win this year. In year two, Pennix has pressure. Cam Ward's like invisible. What an advantage for him.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
This is the Herd line news.
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News Anchor
All right, Colin, I'm being told this is Denver Broncos week here at the network. So let's go with another Broncos story. How about linebacker Nick Bonito? Man, he was excellent. Last year, Broncos led the NFL in sacks with 63. Nick had 13 and a half. He is in the final year of his rookie deal. He says his focus is on more than money.
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Nick Wright
Those type of talks are happening right now, but I kind of just keep that with my agent. You know, just let him handle that. You know, my focus is just, you know, winning and trying to, you know, get a championship. I mean, no time period. I know these things can, you know, happen tomorrow or happen months from now. So I mean, I kind of just keep it day by day and just keep the focus on football.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, he had a great year. Oklahoma. Guy came out of Oklahoma. He's been a great hit in the NFL.
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News Anchor
Interesting. A little turnaround for linebackers. Last year, you know, remember was it the Ravens traded for Roquan Said the people like, why are you adding a linebacker? Ravens are at the forefront of a lot of this stuff. Drafting Kyle Hamilton, a safety early, drafting another safety. And Benito, I think, is the modern linebacker. Like, the guy's just a tackling machine. He is unbelievable.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You know what's cool about the NFL? And I guess, you know, like in the NBA I grew up, it was centers, and then it became wings like Kobe. You know, centers are still important, but now it's not really a center league. You know, the warriors, it was small ball and that how positions change. Now it's sort of a positionless league. If you can play, you can play, right? Like, if you go 3 and D, nobody really cares. In the NFL, you've had running back in safety was never like running backs. When we're young. And then there was. Well, they're the last unprotected player. You can hit them high, low, anywhere. And so you just don't sign. Don't sign a running back to a second big contract. And then you're seeing the value of running backs like. Like, I mean, Harbaugh, get me Najee Harris. Let's draft a running back. First round running backs have always mattered because they take pressure off a quarterback. Also, when you lead in the second half, nothing eats the clock like a good run game, right? And I think in the NFL, safety is now. The Rams are big in it. The Ravens are big in it. The Chiefs. There's a re emergence because of coverages and maybe because safeties are those athletes. Let's face it, they're bigger than corners, faster than linebackers. And because of some of the coverages in the NFL, safeties now are gaining, it feels like to me, in importance. They had a bad member. Earl Thomas didn't get paid for the Seahawks. You're like, you can't pay a safety. It feels like there's a reemergence tight ends now. Feels like you got to pay a tight end, the receiver. Little bit of a bubble. I feel like people are pulling back a little on wide receiver. So I think it's fun to watch, you know, and a lot of it's on coverages, schemes, cultural shifts. But I think right now, safeties are okay.
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News Anchor
So just for the audience, Colin. The Broncos open open the season with the Tennessee Titans and Cam Warden, his first start in Denver. That could be a bloodbath. And then Denver against the Colts. So I'm just telling you right now, Broncos are going to be live to win that division. Guys, if you want to get in early, I think you do it now. Like, they're going to win those first two games hands down. Colin. Their defense is going to be elite this season.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm.
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News Anchor
I'm not going to rule out that the Broncos win that division. I think it's Broncos or Chargers.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I'm probably gonna have to move Kansas City down to third. Wow.
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News Anchor
How's your boy Nick Wright gonna take that? I know he's very, very defensive when we take.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I have. I have issues because I love. I think the Chargers O lines better. I think the Broncos o lines elite. And I think O lines over the course. These seasons are getting longer. Dude, they're 17 games by next year, it's 18 minimum. Like, it's that offensive line. The season can get ugly very fast. Nothing can save you like an O line to move the chains. Keep your defense off the field. More snaps for all these great athletes. I don't want my defense on the field all game at Denver. O line is good. Yeah.
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News Anchor
Well, it's good that we agree on something because we're not on this next topic. Your favorite former quarterback, Cam Newton. He did his list of top 10 quarterbacks in the league right now and The Super Bowl MVP Jalen Hurts was not in the top 10. Here's hot take artist Cam Newton.
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Producer
Jalen Hurst is a great quarterback. Do not get that twisted. But if we're talking about what they bring to the table, right. Holistically, it's hard to judge what Jalen Hurts can do when you, when you're throwing to a guy like A.J. brown, Devonte Smith, we have tight end skill set. You have a dominant defense. Jalen Hurts does not have to play elite for the Philadelphia Eagles to win. He has to play good, but he doesn't have to play elite. We're not asking you to win again game. We're just asking you not to lose it.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You know, I. Cam Newton has really. Honestly, I like it more as a podcaster than a quarterback.
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News Anchor
Come on, stop it now.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Now he is. Well, he's arguably the best college football player I've ever seen.
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News Anchor
He had one amazing season. Yes, it was incredible. Legendary stuff.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, it was good.
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News Anchor
I mean, Tebow did it three years, but whatever.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Anyways, he drove me nuts as a quarterback because he never had back to back winning seasons. I just felt like he got into bad habits and his. I thought, like I always thought mechanically, he kind of. He just kind of was sloppy and he was inconsistent. Great, but inconsistent. He's a really good podcast. He makes a lot of really satient points.
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News Anchor
Oh yeah, because you are anti hertz. I'll just say this, I'm sorry, but like some of these former players and listening to that logic, I mean, Colin, there's an avalanche of data that refutes all of it, like literally every point. Jalen Hurts has dominated from the pocket. He was incredible last year. Top five from the pocket as a quarterback. Yet all we keep hearing is his nonsense. Well, he's got a stacked deck and the defense and the gm, like we're giving everybody credit except for the Super Bowl MVP who is unstoppable. He has the most unstoppable play in football.
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Matt Hasselbeck
True or false. Well, he has the most unstoppable half yard play in football.
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News Anchor
It's 4th and 1. It's a gimme. It sets them up where it's like, oh, it's a third and five. What do we do here? Hey, we just need three yards. We can easily get two because Jalen is an unbelievable, unstoppable force with the Tush push. Like, how is he getting knocked. It is absolutely puzzling to me how you're not higher on Jalen Hurts. You still have him ninth or no?
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Matt Hasselbeck
No. This happens on this show. You did this with Bradley Beal last week. You've done this with Brock Purdy. I like all of them. You go so far over the top. I have to be the voice of, you know, sanity and just say, jalen hurts from the pocket. I'll take Mahomes Burrow, Lamar Stafford from the pocket. Herbert C.J. stroud, Kyler Murray. I'll take all those guys from the pocket. Baker Mayfield from the pocket. Now, if you're adding, if you're adding leadership, character, toughness, the tush push, there's a lot of elements to Jalen that I love. I've said before at the podium, he's the new Dak. He's literally perfect at the podium. Anytime there's heat in Philadelphia with Sirianni, that's every Wednesday. He suppresses all of it like he is unbelievable. He's a total adult but trailing late. Sit in a pocket, throw dimes. That's. He's not my guy. I don't think he's top six or seven in the league. I think he's probably somewhere between nine and 13. But he's. I don't think he's great from the. I think. I think Tua from the pocket is just as good as Jalen Hurst.
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News Anchor
So we can say I don't think he's that good, but the actual numbers say he's an elite quarterback from the pocket for three years running now.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yes. When you have perfect protection and a great run game. It should be noted. Week five, the Eagles had a buy. The coaching staff put their heads together and said the way to get better is throw less.
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News Anchor
Well, I think a lot of that had to do with. And I remember it because I was on them in that Saints game. Do you remember how bad hurts was in the Saints game? It was in New Orleans. He was terrible. They still won the game, but he had a new offensive coordinator. His wide receiver ended up reading a book on the sideline because he was so frustrated. Imagine, imagine if you had those headaches to deal with on this show. Fortunately, I'm not a headache. I'm. I'm just to come, you know, bringing my lunch pail to work guy. But Hertz is dealing with like a different offensive play caller every single season. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right.
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News Anchor
Final story is. Oh boy, here we go. More LA Clippers. Chris Paul just announced that he will be going back to the paper clips. He's in his 21st season play for the Clippers from 2011 to 2017. 12 time All Star actually was sound. Can I say that sound, which is better than average with the spurs last year. I don't think this is the worst pickup in the world. They got a veteran locker room. They are an old team. That's undeniable. Harden Chris Paul in the back.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I, I love Chris Paul so I'll never say a bad word about Chris Paul. When he plays 30 minutes, he makes every team he's ever played on better. So you'll never hear a bad word with Chris Paul. I think he's one of the great point guards ever. I actually like this move. I think this team in my, in the last five years, my big knock on the Clippers is who's running the offense. It's not, you know, and who's available tonight. It's not coaching, it's not roster composition. It's like, okay, who's available to play and who's engineering us. Who's getting us into our offense. Chris Paul to the Clippers. I love that move. You know, again, 24 minutes to 30 minutes. He's going to play two out of three games. Just know what it is. Rest him for the postseason. But I love Chris Paul as a player. Love him as a guy, love him as a leader. Love his iq. Very, very few players I've ever respected more than Chris Paul. His game, him, I mean, he's great.
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News Anchor
Listen, a Hall of Fame lock. This is a, I'm just saying, you look at depth one through ten, the paper clips are definitely top three in the league. They have an awesome bench. I know it's old, I see you rolling your eyes there. Pow. But I'm just saying, I, I, you know, I'm a Lakers guy. Look out for the Clippers this year.
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Matt Hasselbeck
J. Mac with the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The herd lies.
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Matt Hasselbeck
It's funny, the staff just put this on the screen. Listen to this. So the Clippers were the oldest roster in the league last. They were the oldest roster in the league so far this offseason. They've added 37 year old Brook Lopez, resigned 36 year old Nick Batum, who I like, added 32 year old Bradley Beal and just signed 40 year old Chris Paul. This is the remake of the movie Cocoon. This, this team is honestly do they get sort of can they board the flight early? They may be able to board the plane early with oxygen canisters. Oh that was, that was a shot. It is an old team. Listen they the Thunders average age is 25. So just saying the NBA is getting younger. The Thunder 25 and the Clippers were the oldest team before these acquisitions.
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Jason McIntyre
Name value.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I'm not denying that they got they're trying to get people into the into a dome. That's a big part of this is it's headliners, it's big names. Now the Clippers are also announcing they're going to play their games at five because the player they're going to call them Early Bird Specials. So all Clipper games Now are at 5:00pm Los Angeles time. These guys got to get to bed. So Early Bird Clipper schedule It's the Herd.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So we had it. We were saying earlier today there's like an understanding. They were talking about the best rosters in the NFL this year and Denver is now sixth and it was just a mess when he got there. Remember Nat Hackett was there, they'd given up first round picks. You know, I'd kind of predict that I didn't think Russell Wilson and Sean Payton's personalities would click. Just knowing Sean as I know him, very authentic and very intense and very critical. And Russell's just a very, almost overly optimistic guy if that's possible. And I just thought that's oil and water. It's not going to work. And it didn't. But they make the playoffs in year two with a rookie quarterback and a great division and now they've got the second or third best offensive line, the sixth best overall roster and that's nothing against the front office of the Broncos, but a lot of that considering they gave up two first round picks to get Russell. It's Sean Payton. And Matt Hasselbeck said he absolutely loves what they're doing in Denver.
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Colin Cowherd
Denver, I think is a major threat in the AFC West. We're going to be talking about what a great coaching division this is. The head coaches, guys that have hoisted Lombardi's three out of the four but and everyone's going to want to crown Kansas City. I get that. I like them too. But he has something special in Bonitz. He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback. It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had. This defense might be the best defense in the NFL. My OR question would be like what do they have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position? I thought they were pretty good last year, but I thought they might have overachieved. You know, can they continue to improve and grow in that area? But to me, Sean Payton knows exactly what it takes. Everyone believes in him and if that thing gets rolling in Denver, that home field advantage is real just as well. So that's a team to watch in my mind.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So the Other thing we talked about, and I said last week, July and early August is when breadcrumbs become headlines because people like our show. We got three hours to fill. Newspapers have multiple columns to write. It's the hardest time of the year to generate stuff. But I did think last week I said I don't have a problem saying if Greg McElroy and Lane Kiffin are both saying Saban's got an itch for coaching, it would be pro football. I, I buy into that. They didn't say pro football. I did because I think with nil, there's just no possible way that especially Alabama could pay off Kaylin DeBoer, pay 15 million nil, and then go pay Saban 60. It can't happen. Bama is SEC outside of Texas and Texas A and M and not a lot of big nil money. The big nil money is in the state of Texas, usc, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan. It's a lot of these Big Ten schools. Clemson's doesn't have it. It's the downside of these small rural towns. Car dealers are the, are the big money. And that's, that's a small, that's a tight margin business. Whereas the Big Ten's got bigger cities, finance tech, it's just easier to raise that kind of capital. But I, I do think I can see Nick Saban taking phone calls, especially in Cleveland. You can like Kevin Stefanski, who would get another job in a minute. But Saban's different. Saban's a brand. And Arch Manning goes there. He's a brand. And Jimmy Haslam, the Browns owner, loves headlines, loves juice. And Hasselbeck's thoughts on if Saban came back to the NFL, would he succeed?
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Colin Cowherd
The reality of the NFL is that most of the guys in the NFL, most of the players are in years one, two or three. It's a very young league right now. You have some outliers, some quarterbacks, some guys that are old, but the most of the roster is young. So he would know these guys maybe as well as anybody. And I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge in my mind for a guy like that, going from Alabama to the NFL, you're not going to have a better roster than all the guys you play. And then the other thing is like understanding how to deal with a franchise quarterback in the NFL is going to be very different than college. You can't necessarily talk to them that way. You can't go musical chairs if you feel like switching a guy at halftime. It rarely works in the NFL. So I think that would probably be the biggest adjustment. But in terms of respect, knowledge of the game, the staff that he could acquire, I mean, it would be Belichick esque in my mind if you were to get him as a, as an NFL head coach.
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Matt Hasselbeck
One of the reasons SEC coaches have not done well, Spurrier didn't work. Saban didn't work. A lot of the reasons to me is almost temperament is that Spurrier was too laid back. And guys like Kirby Smart and Nick are like so intense. I mean, there's, there's multiple videos of Nick Saban dog cussing an assistant coach or a player. You don't do that in the NFL. Kirby Smart does not work in the NFL. And you know, it's, I mean, people say, oh, Chip Kelly didn't work. He actually worked in Philadelphia. He won 10 games back to back with kind of BC level quarterbacks. They just, he and Howie Roseman, oil and water didn't work and how he had the leverage. So the truth is there's a temperament truth to the NFL, the players. Andy Reid barks at practice. He's not going to bark very often at players during the game. Belichick was not a barker. Again, the Belichick would do it in private, he wouldn't do it on tv. A lot of SEC coaches, it's almost like high school football coaching in the 70s and 80s. Like it's yelling and screaming. I don't think that temperament works in the NFL. And I do think Saban would work. I don't know to what degree would work, but I do think he would work. All right, first two hours of the show have absolutely flown by the Clippers. Just signed George Mikan.
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