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Colin Cowherd
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Here we go. It's hour two. Hour one flew by. We got so much stuff today. Live, we're in Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So J. Mac, it was interesting the I'm interested to talk to Matt Hasselbig about this Danny Parkins. I'll play it later in the show from Chicago. Big Bears fan, works on FS1 in the morning breakfast ball and he he about it this week about. He just wants to see, you know, Caleb Williams go from 20 touchdowns to 30, from 3,500 yards to 4,000. And I'm interested to talk to Matt Hasselb. I don't care about any of that. Yeah, to me it's all about the sacks. With a bad old line in New York, Aaron Rodgers got sacked like 40 times. Yeah, Caleb got sacked almost 70. If you told me the sacks went from 68 to 34. I don't care about the wins. I don't care about the touchdowns. Sacks mess with a young quarterback's body and their psychology.
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J. Mac
So do you. It's a structure thing. Just play in structure. Don't do the backyard football and run into sacks.
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Colin Cowherd
I think it's a delicate balance. But everybody's talking about stats for Caleb Williams. All I care about, all I care about is the sack number is in the mid to low 30s. If that's the answer, it will have been a successful season because if we have another year where he's 50 plus sacks, you start messing with young guys confidence, you mess with their timing, their rhythm, their game, their physicality. So I'm going to get to him in in just a few minutes. But first, where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong.
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Where Colin was right.
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LeBron opted in. I had said this was it two, three months ago when LeBron hinted at retirement. I said oh my God, are we going to do this again? It's four years in a row. It's like the Brett Fav tour. LeBron's not retiring. He's too good. He plays joyfully. Los Angeles is good for him. He's got Luka Doncic. Yes, he'll opt in. Yes, he's going to play. It's nonsense. And we were right.
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Where Colin was wrong.
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Well, a week ago, goalie Matt Freese I said look too anxious. Over his head, nervous. Probably not our answer for the United States men's national team in goal. And then yesterday during PE K's three saves got his hand on two others. He rose to the moment in my opinion. He secur. He secured the goalie job for Team.
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Usa where Colin was right.
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Caitlin Clark isn't just the best young player in the WNBA. She's Tiger Woods. Yesterday sold out her shoe in 10 minutes according to reports. 10 minutes. She's getting the most votes in the All Star Game. She's driving half of the league's television ratings. I said a year ago she is Taylor Swift with a jumper. She is not just helping the league. She literally got a teammate's jersey sold out in 15 minutes. Sophia Cunningham, just by proxy, a player that had been in the league seven years, just a teammate. She's getting stuff sold out. She is bigger than either. Even the wnba, which has finally come.
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Around, acknowledges where Colin was right.
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Former Pittsburgh Steeler James Harrison last week admitted what we've been on for years. Mike Tomlin's strength. He's a players coach. Mike Tomlin's weakness, he's a players coach. Yes, many players can handle that but increasingly guys like Jalen Ramsey who's only but as good as as the structure. He's been supported by the Rams. It doesn't work. So this is what I've said about the Steelers for years. I'm not saying Mike Tomlin can't coach, but he's loose and details win in December, January and February and James Harrison admitting the organization is too player friendly.
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Where Colin was wrong.
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James Harden signed another deal two years, 40 plus million a year. Listen, last year he shot 41% from the field. He doesn't defend. He never shows up in the playoffs. I am not denying his greatness. I am not denying his hall of Fame stature. I'm not denying offensively he's one of the great guards of all time. But if Steve Ballmer cares about winning and culture and how do you win in the playoffs who is the best defensive team in the league? Okc. Who won okc. That's not the way to do it.
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Where Colin was right.
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Sean Payton ranked number two coaching in the NFL by pff. Andy Reid number one. I just saw this weekend he took a bad offensive line. The O line is now ranked number two. He took over a shaky defense. They led the NFL in sacks. They upgraded its safety and linebacker on players that were just Niners a year ago. He inherited a horrible culture, a mess at quarterback moved off Russell Wilson dead cat money and in a division with Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh took a rookie quarterback to the playoffs. This is what I've been saying about Sean Payton. He is direct, he is Kurt. He can turn people off. He is brilliant.
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Where Colin was right.
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I said last week there are seven athletes in America that are untradable. Aaron Judge is absolutely one. Yesterday two homers, four RBIs. Leeds baseball at 356, second in home runs. He's not just a great Yankee. He went on a brief hitting slump. The Yankees got shut out. He is literally the centerpiece. As good as Ohtani is if he takes a day off. I got Moki Betts, I got Max Muncie, I got. I got Freddie Freeman. He is the centerpiece of east coast baseball.
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Where Collin was wrong.
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Austin Reaves declined 90 million from the Lakers. Why? His representation believes open market for the Lakers. In a year he's going to get closer to 150 million. I'd trade him tomorrow for Derrick White. I think he's a really good B player. There are Knights, he has an offensive night, but he's not dynamic vertically. He's a good shooter, not elite. But I'm wrong because apparently Austin and his reps cna player where Colin was right. What do you know? The Tampa Bay Buccaneers extended Jason Light the gm. Do you realize the team with the longest active playoff streak in the NFC is the Bucks? Not the Eagles or the Ravens or the Rams. Excuse me, Ravens or afc. Jason Light, one of the best scouts ever. Been on this for years. Tampa Bay for years had excellent rosters. They couldn't get the quarterback right. Jason got Baker when a lot of people were doubting him. He was one of only two GMs that aggressively pursued Tom Brady. Tampa will remain talent rich as long as Jason Light is the gm. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck is joining us and he's joining us live. Okay, so I want to get into the Caleb Williams thing before I get into the Jalen Ramsey thing is that I, I've always felt this, even with my kids, when I different kids, if they were struggling, little unstable, stuffed in their head, number one rule was just stabilize them. I'm not worried about growth. I'm just, let's stabilize. And I tend to believe that with quarterbacks. With a young quarterback, I'm not looking for growth. With Caleb Williams, it was such a mess last year, just cut the sacks in half. I don't care about anything else. So I, maybe I'm being a little over the top, but when people suggest they want him to go to 30 touchdowns and 4,000 yards, I'm like, I don't care. The sacks are everything to me. How does that land for you?
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Well, it's certainly number one. You got to walk before you can run is how I would say it. But I like to give quarterbacks usually two or three things to really focus in on and improve on from one year to the Next. I think that's what helped me the most. Sacks would definitely be at the top of the list. Sacks hurt your team, they hurt your offensive line, they hurt morale, they hurt your own personal, like your physicality, your body. But it's also very bad on the defense, that field position game. So it's a, you know, this idea of protect the team. Sacks are an absolute killer. I thought if, you know, if we were assigning blame to what. Why so many sacks Last year in Chicago, the majority of the sacks were not the fault of the offensive line. They were the fault of the young quarterback. It's very common. It's not special to Caleb. We've all lived it, and that's an area that he needs to improve on, and I think he probably will, but it needs to be pretty significant.
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You know, when you say he's got to get better, is that. Is that pre snap, is that holding the ball? Some guys could. There's people open. They just don't. They want to. They're seeking a bigger play. When you watched him, what did you see? Why was he inducing sacks?
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Well, I think early on, you know, early on, his eyes were in the wrong place. Didn't look like. Didn't look like he had a clear grasp of the protection schemes. I think that was a big part of it now. They made the head coaching change, they made the offensive coordinator change. His position coach, you know, was in the room with him calling plays, the offensive coordinator, and I think they simplified it and they brought it down. But I think what got him into trouble in the second part of the year was he trusted his. In his athleticism so much. Like you saw these things, or he got away with it at usc. You're not going to get away with it in the NFL. And I think that's one of the hard things for quarterbacks who have great mobility. I would say it's great mobility in college and it's just kind of like good mobility in the NFL and there's a fine line there, but I think he needs to play on time more than he did and maybe a little bit less of the playground stuff. Save that for when you absolutely need it.
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Yeah. You know, it reminds me, Matt, a little of golf, where everybody wants to buy a new driver. And it's like, if your putting improves, your score improves, the driver's not going to win you strokes. It's all around the greens. Right? So I think with Kay, Caleb, I don't worry about his driving. You got to make the putts in the red zone.
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Well, it's putt. It's. What is it? Putt for dough, drive for show. You know, I would say, I would say in a similar way, somewhere on that list, I think number two for me would just probably be overall leadership. Like, we're looking at you. I mentioned body language. Like, that bothers me. That really bothered me how he handled that last year. But then also, like, you know, you can't miss the layups, you can't miss the free throws. He is, he's. He's going to have splash plays, but he's also going to miss some wide open guys or he did last year. And I think that's another area, probably that third area that I think he needs to improve on.
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All right, so been on this for a while. The Rams, the Eagles and the Chiefs spend all their money on offense. The league 10 years ago, after that CTE check they wrote, moved to benefiting the offense. So there's limitations, even a great defense. Couple years ago, the Niners had a great defense. They faced Mahomes. He ate them alive. There's just limitations on what a great defense can do because of rule changes. So the Steelers this morning said, we're going to spend even more money on defense. We'll move off Minka and get Ramsey. It's like, guys, how about just move off Minka and go get more offense? So what do you make of the Jalen Ramsey move to the Steelers?
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Now listen, the Steelers are just going to do what the Steelers do. They do not care about the rest of the league. They don't care about what anybody else does. They say, hey, we're the Steelers. This is how we operate. So I don't think that's going to change. But I do think this, it looks like they're building a team to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. Like, when I, when I look at them, I really feel like they're coming up with like, what. What is our identity going to be? It's almost like they have confidence in what they have. Like, what we have can take care of the Baltimore Ravens. Like, we're good, but like, man, I don't know how we're going to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. Like, I do believe that there's a fear there of, like, personnel wise, we don't match up well with them. And the Steelers and some other teams that have always been like 34 DE defenses, three down linemen, four linebackers, they're playing more of this. Four, two, five, four down lineman, two inside or four rushers, two inside backers and five DBs. And I think what kind of DBs is where they've, you know, they now have some flexibility. They basically have three corners to go to go up and fight kind of like that Joe Burrow, three wide receiver set. So I think that's a trend league wide. Certainly the Steelers look like they feel pretty good about that trend as well.
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Yeah.
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Okay, well, listen, if I'm going to give you some confidence about it, I do think that there's a play here for the offense, you know, like Arthur Smith identity. Last year, you saw he went with a lot of 12 personnel, 13 personnel, meaning two tight ends in the game or three tight ends in the game. I think they just want to get a little more talented at that spot. Three different guys. They've got Friar move. They've got Darnell Washington, who's a joy to watch in the running game. I mean, he's a monster. And then they go get John who Smith, a player I think is more wide receiver than he is tight end. Arthur Smith's been with him a few times, loves him. I know that as this. As the league goes to kind of what I was talking about, five DBs on the field more. The Steelers and Arthur Smith look like they're saying, okay, you want to get cute with five DBs, we're going to smash it down your throat. We're going to have a bruising, bruising running game, and we can still throw it with these guys. Shifts, motions, all that kind of stuff. It's identity for the. For the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again, we don't care what the rest of the league is doing. We're doing what we're doing. And I think having a clear identity is very helpful.
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You know, I think over. Obviously, people have been hiring offensive coaches more than defensive coaches. Whenever there's a big opening, you always see four offensive guys for a defensive guy. And that's not to say guys like d' Amico. Ryan's can't work on the other side. But I was also thinking about something the other day, is that I. There's a lot of people. Mike McDaniel came from the Niners. Shanahan may do a lot of motion, but he's really like his dad. He's all about physical run games. McVeigh's a culture guy. Shanahan's a culture guy. Vrabel's a culture guy. Dan Campbell's a culture guy. The Harbaughs are culture guys. Pete. Pete Carroll's got more of a culture guy. Is that. I look at Miami and Mike McDaniel and it's like he took the Niners. He went to Miami with a similar quarterback, a smaller guy, not a huge arm, moves a little accurate, but I don't think he's built a culture. I think it's all sizzle and no steak and Miami. To me this year, when I hear about coaches in the hot seat, I'm like, I look at Miami and all, I hear the media love Mike McDaniel, but there's no there there. And I think we're moving into a time in the NFL culture beyond just schematics matters. And that Mike McDaniel may be clever, but the physical culture and component of that Niners offense, he didn't bring it to Miami. And I don't buy them. And I think they probably finished fourth. And two years ago they were the talk of the league. Where are you on Miami, McDaniel? The motion to the sizzle because it's not working and it's going backwards.
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Are you saying fourth in the AFC East? Is that what you're saying?
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Yes.
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Wow, that's. That's bold. I'd put him third. Listen, culture matters 100%. I think it matters more than X's and O's most of the time. Especially in football. Especially when you're in a city like Miami with all the distractions that are down there. You're not in Green Bay, Wisconsin or something like that. So the distractions are real. That's a real thing. I kind of believe in Mike McDaniel is. I kind of believe in him as a coach. I even believe that he can be the right culture guy. But no, it's. Listen, they're swimming upstream just a little bit. Even in their division, the Buffalo Bills, everyone thinks that, hey, that's going to be the winner in that division. The Patriots are vastly improved this year. They clearly have an identity. You just look at the teams last year that had double digit wins. The AFC is tough. Seven teams are going to get in. An explosive team like the Cincinnati Bengals didn't even make the playoffs last year. The Steelers clearly got better. The AFC west is talented. If you don't win in Miami, a team with a great fan base that expects to win and they've got fireworks. Yeah, people are going to be calling for your, for your job. That's going to be the nature of it. But the creativity and the, the identity of what they can be offensively, it clearly is there. Like it's, it's. The potential is there. It's an interesting thing that you bring up. I don't Know that I would say fourth at the end of the day. I feel like he was hired, though, to get TUA back on track. He did a pretty darn good job of that. I think they just need to take a next step, and sometimes it's just tough late in the year. Those warm weather teams, they don't perform at the end of the year the way that they did at the beginning of the year because they got to go on the road and play somewhere like Buffalo or New England. That'll be the test for them this year.
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Matt Hasselbeck. It is a Monday. He's at an undisclosed very nice location, which I'll be close to in a couple days. It is great seeing you, my man.
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It's Nantucket. Just say it now. I just out of you on your vacation.
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All right, Matt Hasselbeck, who's been a joy since he came to the show. I appreciate it. No, I was thinking about this, J. Mac, is that sometimes, like the media, and we know this, the media likes the media. And Mike McDaniel was seen as sort of, you know, he's a small guy physically, but he's smart. He was kind of funny at the podium. The NFL is a sport of big men. Big men. They were big in high school, they're big in college. They're big, physical men, and they respond to other big men. And if you look at what's happening in the NFL, McVay, you say, well, McVay's not big. McVay is an athlete. He's culture. He's smart. He owns a room. I mean, it's not debatable. Like, there's an argument that McVay is probably the best guy at the podium in the league. And then I think Miami, it's squirrely, it's fun, it's smart. I am three years into this Mike McDaniel thing. What are they?
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J. Mac
I think it's less about him because he's smart, articulate, really cuts through to the players you see behind the scenes. It's less about how the team is built. And honestly, I don't think they've done a good job. I'm sure you saw Tyree Kill just chimed in on the trade with the Will Smith meme from Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Like, it's over. There's nobody here. Tyree Kill's been chirping about getting me, getting him out of there for, like, two years. Dealing with Jalen Ramsey. To me, this Dolphins move, they're rearranging their deck chairs on the Titanic. They're Going down. Everybody knows it and they're just trying some last ditch effort here. It's not going to matter. But it's not on McDaniel, though.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it ultimately has to be on the coach. You can blame anybody in New England. Belich got fired at the end. You have. You're paying the coach 15 million. It's on the coach. You can't blame the GM because you're not winning games.
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J. Mac
Unemployed for what, like a week?
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't believe Mike McDaniel gets a second nod. What? I don't, I don't, I don't. It's got a Pro bowl quarterback. They've gone backwards for three years and.
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J. Mac
When the Pro bowl quarterback's out, they're garbage. That's on McDaniel. That's on his quarterback for getting hurt all the time. Okay, the offensive line.
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Colin Cowherd
My point being, you tell me the market that's going to buy a coach that in his first job, remember, Miami won, I think it was 19, 19 games the two years before he got there. They won 20 with him in the first two years. One more spending big time money and getting stars. And they went backwards last year.
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J. Mac
Okay, I would definitely disagree. I think McDaniel almost instantly for another head coach.
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Colin Cowherd
Based on what?
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J. Mac
He's an offensive mastermind. It's not his fault the defense can't stop a nosebleed and the offensive lines of train wreck. The GM in the front office in Miami has been the downfall. McDaniel, again, I would not blame him, Colin. I think he's excellent.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, at some point in this league, the best coaches keep winning. Andy Reid wins regardless of quarterback. Even in Philly he was getting NFC championships.
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J. Mac
Yeah, Donovan McNabb, come on, that guy was.
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Colin Cowherd
Who's a. Not a top 50 quarterback ever? Not even close. Well, he's not, so. I mean, that's not disputable.
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J. Mac
But I mean, Donald McNabb is a good quarterback. They had a great defense in Philly. Yeah, Reed's a good coach. Come on.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, no, you're not listening. I'm not denying he is. You're saying McDaniels is. I'm saying where's the proof? Where's the proof?
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J. Mac
Well, they've gotten to the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
Has any team been humiliated more by Buffalo in the league than Miami? They get humiliated by them. They can't compete in their own division with the best. Forget the rest of the afc. I mean I again, I go back to what's the market for you tell me. I'M an owner. Hey, we've got a job opening. Let's hire a guy that's young. His first job he failed at in a market that free agents love to play. No state tax, aqua water.
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J. Mac
So who's the equivalent of the NFC? Would you say it's LaFleur? Because he's not some big imposing figure. He got dealt. Aaron Rodgers won a lot. Now Rodgers is gone and what, what are we seeing from the floor?
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Colin Cowherd
Playoffs.
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J. Mac
The Dolphins got to the playoffs under mc.
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Colin Cowherd
Green Bay has no owner, free agents won't play there. The division is. There are no bad teams in that division. Okay, and, and, and by the way, you're dealing with a quarterback, Jordan Love, who is not. Who sat for three years. We still don't know how good he is. Tua was a first round pick who's already made a Pro Bowl. I mean to it. I'm not a huge TUA fan, but he's made Pro Bowls. He's. His comp was Drew Brees, who was Jordan Love's comp.
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J. Mac
Who would you rather have, Jordan Love or Tua?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I'd rather have Jordan Love because he's bigger, with a better arm. Today I would. Three years ago I wouldn't. When McDaniel took the job, I would have rather had two of them. Jordan Love. Now going into this year, I would take Jordan Love.
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J. Mac
Okay, so Zach Taylor or Mike McDaniel, who would you rather have his head coach?
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Colin Cowherd
I wouldn't hire either. I mean, if I was an owner and there was an opening and they were on the market, those would not be choices.
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J. Mac
So now Brian Dable probably would be my choice over McDaniel, but.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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J. Mac
What has Brian Dable done as a head coach?
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Colin Cowherd
Colin got Daniel Jones to the playoffs and won a playoff game.
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J. Mac
Miami got to the playoffs. They just saw what they didn't want to playoff game. And now Dable's backsliding badly, but you're.
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Colin Cowherd
Telling me he's got a market. My take is what top tier team is like not even average team. Well, what? What? Listen, the Dolphins weren't good before him. They're getting worse now.
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J. Mac
How's this? If Jonathan Gannon.
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Colin Cowherd
I would argue this. In Arizona, people may criticize Brian Flores. Brian Flores is the better head coach. He didn't get along with Tua. Brian Flores took the dolphins over in eight weeks. Eight weeks. We're going into year four with McDaniel in eight weeks the dolphins were an elite defense and had elite special teams. In eight weeks. Eight. We're on year four for McDaniel. Nobody's got the Dolphins being elite this year. You got culture problems. Tyreek Hill and Jalen Ramsey. Neither one either wants to play there. One's gone.
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J. Mac
One could be that on McDaniel though. So by the way, they went nine and eight playoffs, 11 and six playoffs. Lost to the Chiefs. No harm in that. And in their first year they had Skyler, what's his face at quarterback as Tua was hurt. And then last year, eight, nine. So in three years he's 28 and 23 with two playoff trips. I mean.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, and two, LaFleur's got three playoff wins.
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J. Mac
Here's one for you. Are you ready?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Dan Campbell or Mike McDaniel?
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Colin Cowherd
Dan Campbell. He can build a culture. Their culture is one of the best in the NFL. Dan Campbell, the Lions culture. Whether you like Dan or not, and I was not a huge fan initially, their culture is out of this world. The Lions culture is. We said this three years ago. Nobody in the league plays harder than Detroit. They've had major personnel issues on the defensive side when Hutchinson got hurt. They have no defense. Their culture, I mean, think about this. Matt LaFleur won two games last year with Malik Willis at quarterback. Who bought who Tennessee drafted an hour later said, yeah, that's not going to work. I mean it was like a second round pick. They were like, yeah, I think he forget what round he was drafted in. But they literally bailed on him.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Before he was like halfway through his contract. Like lafleur won two games with him. And if I recall, he got Malik Willis. He wasn't even on the roster like a month earlier. Yes, he was a third round pick. They. He wasn't on the like the off season roster. I think they brought him in due to an injury and boom, they brought him in. August 26th.
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J. Mac
This is interesting.
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Colin Cowherd
And he wins two games in September.
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J. Mac
I did not know you were this anti Mike McDaniel or worse.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not anti. It's the numbers. 02 in the playoffs.
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J. Mac
I mean the playoffs to Josh Allen in Buffalo and Patrick Mahomes and kc. Where's the harm in that?
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Colin Cowherd
One of them.
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J. Mac
He had his backup quarterback. What are we doing? The jets would take him in a heartbeat. A heartbeat. So they could have an offense. They haven't had an offense in a decade.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, the jets just hired another coach. They have to wait a while.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
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- [32:59]
Colin Cowherd
FDIC Daniel in Miami is my My feeling has always been the longer somebody is employed, the more the truth comes out. You can be employed, have kind of a rocky six months, but if you're there in six years, the truth will come out that you're a very good employee. And I think, you know, it doesn't matter. You can have a bad year, but eventually over time you will see the longer an employee as part of any company. Everybody has bad days. Everybody needs a mulligan. But Mike McDaniel now I got three full years. Miami's no better than they were when he took over and in fact the culture's worse. So I don't want to hear about personnel. And by the way, Kyle Shanahan has had bad years, but over the course of time he ends up in Super Bowls. Mcveigh a couple years ago had a, you know, a rebuild season. The following year they're in the playoffs in his second rebuild year. The longer any employee is at any company, money the truth comes out. I've said this with real estate agents. If they work for 10 years, take out their worst year and their best year. What is their average? The remaining eight Everybody has good years in business. The market moves up. You know, you sell a great home because of a friendship through the family, and everybody has a bad year. Covid hits. Nobody's buying homes over the course of 10 years. Take everybody's worst year out. Nobody had a good year during COVID Take out everybody's best year at their work. What are the remaining eight years? Even when I think about hall of Fames, Matt Ryan. Take out his best year, the MVP year. Take out his worst year. Then. Is he a Hall of Famer? Probably not. So whereas with Philip Rivers, I got more consistency in high production. Best year or worst year? Now, he may not make the hall of Fame either. But even if you take out Eli Manning's best year, his second best year, he still beat Tom Brady in the super bowl and had one of the most iconic throws. So quality over time, the truth will come out for all of us over the course of our resumes or our lives. And I'm just sitting there in Miami, three years into it, I'm like, I got a bowl of nothing. I got nothing here. The culture's average. The roster's okay to it is fine. I thought Brian Flores in eight weeks changed the culture, the defense and special teams. You didn't have to like Brian. You could think Brian was too harsh. And Brian didn't make the quarterback feel good about himself. All fair. Eight weeks in defense, special teams, culture, you didn't want to face the Dolphins. Now I remember Baltimore beat him. I swear to God, dropped 70 on him, and it was like five weeks later. You're like, yeah, nobody wants to play Miami. That to me, the longer Brian Flores was there, then he goes to Minnesota. The longer he's in Minnesota now the defense gets better. J. Mac with the news.
- [35:48]
No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
All right, Colin, let's go to the NFL. We've had some interesting debates. This one could get ugly. The New England Patriots, a team you love this season, you know, Mike Vrabel's in his head coach. They have a lot of cap space. And guess what? They are closely monitoring two contract disputes. Terry McLaurin in Washington and Micah Parsons in Dallas. Now, this is smart business for New England. Hey, we are open for business.
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Colin Cowherd
We've got money.
- [36:19]
J. Mac
McLaurin, you're unhappy. Washington, we would gladly take him or Micah Parsons. I would guess both of the chances of these happening are very low. But it is a new era in New England, that's for sure.
- [36:31]
Colin Cowherd
Terry McLaurin would be a perfect Wide receiver for Drake May in New England. No. Ego grinder. Productive. I mean, you cannot. That is, if you could pick a wide receiver for a young quarterback, McLaurin's like, top two. Amaran, St. Brown, Terry McLaurin would be my first two picks. Now, they're both super talented. I'm not saying they're the most talented, but you're getting an adult. Uncompromise route. Tree. Grown up, work hard, great teammate. I. I have loved you and I have both love McLaurin. This guy is exactly what everybody wants. To get a productive receiver, you got to get baggage with a lot of them. This guy's a total pro.
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J. Mac
But everything you just said is like, Washington, why would you let him leave Jaden Daniels when Jaden Daniels was rookie of the year. Unbelievable. And McLaurin had his best year as a pro. Like, you get your quarterback on the rookie deal. Just sign him. I don't know really what's going on.
- [37:28]
Colin Cowherd
Because Washington signed Debo to a big deal. So do you want to pay two receivers huge money?
- [37:34]
J. Mac
Your quarterback's making nothing.
- [37:36]
Colin Cowherd
I know generally in the NFL, I mean, some teams do Devonte Adams. Well, no, they moved off Cooper. You don't want to pay two receivers. You want to pay one receiver and then hopefully draft the position. Well, it gets difficult because you don't want to have. Have two hyper expensive guys in one unit. Right. Like, that's the problem with Cincinnati. It's like, okay, we'll pay Jamar, but can we pay Jamar and Burrow and T. Higgins? So I think. I think it's harder than you think. Once they acquire Debo, you have to sit down and you gotta try to get the best deal you can from McLaren because you don't want to be putting all that money into just one unit.
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J. Mac
Yeah. Let's move on to the Raiders. Colin. They obviously have. Pete Carroll is her new head coach. Chip Kelly is the oc. Speaking at something called the SAC Summit, Max Crosby discussed how the Raiders revamped and said the OKC Thunder are something of a blueprint as they went from one of the worst teams in the league to the title winners. Crosby added that the Raiders has a lot of work to do. Colin, do you think there's any kind of comparison here? OKC did go from, you know, the outhouse to the penthouse in about four years.
- [38:43]
Colin Cowherd
Well, the division. Let's agree on this. Has there ever been a better coach division in football? Reed, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll. So it's like I was thinking about this Is ironic. I was thinking about this yesterday. I was watching Costa Rica USA and just, you know, kind of browsing and looking at stuff and I thought, is it possible? I looked at the Raiders schedule that Chargers, Broncos, Chiefs all make the playoffs and if you look at the Raiders schedule, I'm like, I counted eight or nine winnable games. I mean, look at their schedule now. There's some tough ones like at Philadelphia, at Houston, late in the season, Kansas City, those are tough games. But you start looking at this schedule. Jacksonville, off of my Tennessee Colts. We don't know what the Bears are. Dallas, Cleveland. There's some W's here for the Raiders.
- [39:40]
J. Mac
Okay, so let's start at week one. If they lose that game, then they have to play the Chargers in division. Very tough game. Then they play at Washington. So by the way, if you're tracking, that's a trip to New England, then back to the desert, then back to the east coast again. Colin, they could easily start 0 and 3 easily.
- [39:59]
Colin Cowherd
I'm not denying that. But when? Anytime I see the Colts, Titans and Bears early in the season in a row, those are winnable games. By then hosting Jacksonville, I mean Dallas and Cleveland back. Yeah, Schottenheimer could be on the ropes by week 11. I'm just saying, if you told me this team won eight games. And by the way, Kansas City last week, how do we know they're not resting starters for the playoffs?
- [40:26]
J. Mac
Oh, please. They're going to be trying to get in the playoffs. All right, but eight or nine wins sounds about right. Final story comes to the NBA where big news. Deandre Ayton, the center in Portland, is being bought out. The report adds that Ayton was looking to play in a winning situation. And wouldn't you know it, the Lakers are in need of a center. Now I'm not the biggest deandre Ayton guy. His end in Phoenix was very bad and ugly. He got lazy, he didn't want to work. He was unhappy with the touches. I don't see how he really works with Luka and LeBron. He kind of clogs the lane. But you know there are a lot of Laker fans out there who are like, oh yeah, bring on eight. And he's a 15 and 10 guy. I don't know that I see it. He's not the flexible rim running squatting big that like is Derek Lively or even Nick Claxton. He's a little more ground bound and likes to hang in the paint.
- [41:20]
Colin Cowherd
I would love to see our guys. Ryan, what does he rank? Defensively as a center. So Ayton's very athletic, super athletic. I mean, again, you. We showed you the highlights. My question is what the Lakers are looking for. Because at this point, LeBron's not an elite defender. Luka's definitely not, and Austin Reeves is. Okay, you need. That's why Jackson Hayes doesn't work, because he's not really a rim defender. He's. He's a pogo stick. He gets you some alley oop dunks. I don't know if Ayton. I don't know. I don't, I don't think of him as an elite defensive center. Is he.
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J. Mac
I don't think he's never made an all star game and last year he had a one. One block per game. Yeah, he.
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Colin Cowherd
And that's for a guy that's got that, that's athletic.
- [42:04]
J. Mac
66% on free throws. No, thanks.
- [42:07]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I just, I don't, I don't. Listen, I think he's been a disappointment and I still think he's really talented. I think there are fits in the league for him, but I think what the Lakers are looking for, he doesn't provide, in my opinion.
- [42:19]
J. Mac
Yeah, I don't necessarily see it now. Know, you know, if you say, hey, let's put Luke on the. Let's put LeBron on the bench for five minutes and have Deandre Ayton and Luca run pick and roll, maybe there's something there. But honestly, Dorian Finney Smith to me is way more important than deandre Aiden. Okay. I like a stretch for a big who can shoot threes. Ayton's not that guy.
- [42:37]
Colin Cowherd
He's not that guy. So he's got, he's a little old school. I mean, he's got like an old school big feel.
- [42:44]
J. Mac
Some 25 years ago, Deandre Ayton would have a lot of suitors, you know.
- [42:49]
Colin Cowherd
Right. J. Mac with the news.
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Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.
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I saw a Bill Belichick quote this weekend that was really thoughtful. I guess it happened a couple of weeks ago. And I'll tell you how it's tied to Kayla Williams of the Bears. Next.
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Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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J. Mac
If you own a home, here's an interesting fact for you today. American homeowners are sitting on a record.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Amount of home equity.
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J. Mac
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Rocket Mortgage
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Colin Cowherd
Actually want to do.
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Matt Hasselbeck
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J. Mac
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- [46:41]
Colin Cowherd
So we were talking about Caleb Williams earlier. It just, I just saw recently on the Pivot. It's a, it's a pot sports podcast. And they sat Bill Belichick down and they started asking about Brady. And you know, those two had a marriage for 20 years. So they know the, the ins and outs, the strengths, the weaknesses. And you know, Brady didn't have a lot of weaknesses. But it's funny about when you ask Belichick. Now Belichick is a defensive coach, so he's not, he's not somebody that falls in love with creativity. He falls in love with efficiency. But he was asked about the single greatest strength for 20 years of Tom Brady and this is what he mentioned.
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Bill Belichick
Tom did such a great job of not allowing negative plays to happen to our offense. No pre snap penalties, no sacks. He kept us out of negative plays and kept us out of long yardage. So second and 10, the worst we're going to face is, you know, third and 10, but usually second and 10 became third and five and then you get a chance to pick it up.
- [47:51]
Colin Cowherd
That's the sport. Bill Parcells years ago. It's a field position game. You don't want to be pinned deep in your territory punting from your end zone. And so, and I know you see this as a sports fan, how often last year are the Bears, despite all the talent, Roma Dunze and DJ Moore and, and Caleb Williams and Cole Comet, that it's second down and 21 and you're punting from the eight, you're losing the field possession game. And that to me, I don't care about anything with Caleb Williams next year. Seriously, I don't care about his yardage, I don't care about his touchdown passes. If the 68 sacks become 30, I'm good. Everything is going to be okay. Here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier on that early.
- [48:40]
On his eyes were in the wrong place. Didn't look like he had a clear grasp of the protection schemes. I think that was a big Part of it, what got him into trouble in the second part of the year was he trusted in his athleticism so much. Like, you saw these things. Or he got away with it at usc. You're not going to get away with it in the NFL. And I think that's one of the hard things for quarterbacks who have great mobility. I would say it's great mobility in college and it's just kind of like good mobility in the NFL. And there's a fine line there.
- [49:12]
Yeah, it's. You know, we're always looking for the fireworks show, but somebody's got to clean it up, right? And running around. Caleb did have moments when he would run backwards. That is a no, no. Works in high school, sometimes in college, doesn't work in the NFL. It just can't. I remember when Fran Tarkinson used to do it. In the 70s, athletes, the best athletes were on offense. Now they're on defense like the great athletes now. You get a lot of them on that defensive front. You can't go backwards. Cannot go backwards. You can run laterally, but I. To me, it's all sacks. All sacks. Clean that up, they'll be fine. It is the team in this division that's the mystery to me is Green Bay. And they have dominated Chicago because I just. They won 11 games last year, and yet we're one in five in division. So my. I guess I was talking to my buddy John Middelkoff, who filled in last week. He's like, if you win 11 games and you're one in five in division and your quarterback got hurt, Green Bay is going to win 11 or 12 games. That's what they do. I can't argue out of that. So. But I. But the one thing about Green Bay, here's what Green bay rarely allows. 68 sacks. Green Bay not be. May not be flashy. They may not be the most vertical team. Green Bay doesn't beat themselves. Green Bay is not punting from the end zone. I mean, they just don't get into those bad field position swings. And Chicago, that's all they were. Just keep it in front of you. It's like. It's like investing for your retirement. It's amazing how far hitting doubles can go. You don't need a lot of home runs. Just avoid the strikeouts. Just avoid the big misses. Hit a bunch of doubles. All right, last hour. Alexi Lawless is coming up. You know J. Mack, he's one of my favorite guests. The United States men's national team, they found a goalie. They're moving to the semis.
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J. Mac
Remember how Nervous you were 10 days ago about this? I talked you off the ledge. Cowherd. Another victory for McIntyre.
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Colin Cowherd
Hour three coming up.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Good stuff.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
Made the right way. Tito's made in Austin, Texas.
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Matt Hasselbeck
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J. Mac
I like to keep it simple.
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Colin Cowherd
Tito's Soda, one lime, lot of ice.
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J. Mac
Refreshing, easy. Summer, winter, spring. Totally versatile. Always works. Listen, baseball season's here.
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Colin Cowherd
The perfect time to kick back with some Tito's. It's what I pour.
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