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Jason McIntyre (2:27)

Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, Hour two. It is a Monday. Live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Wild Weekend Shadour Sanders drops in the draft. Matt Hasselbeck will be joining us here in about five minutes to talk about that. I did think the Seahawks had the best draft. I thought Cleveland did really well. Listen, Cleveland and the Rams both got another first round pick for next year, which is a significantly stronger quarterback draft and they both need them one. For now, Cleveland needs a quarterback, which by the way, Shador Sanders has the second best odds according to DraftKings to be the starting quarterback, not Flacco. Do you know his number one odds? Kenny Pickett. He's beating out Kenny pick.

Chris Broussard (3:19)

Don't people. By the way, I thought you're taking the first hour on the prank call much better than your NBA fouls take. But I have to ask you this. I talked about it on my podcast. Like were you as a kid making prank calls? Everybody did.

Jason McIntyre (3:32)

Yes, yes.

Chris Broussard (3:33)

But you weren't ruining someone's like special moment like the prank calls we make there. There used to be a WWF wrestler who lived in our area. So we would prank call him at sleepovers and be like imitate Macho Man. Oh yeah, Macho Man, Randy Savage and Rick Flair. We would do that stuff. But it wasn't like like his NFL draft moment. He wasn't going to like the wrestling hall.

Jason McIntyre (3:53)

By the way. It didn't ruin it because 20 minutes later he had his.

Chris Broussard (3:58)

I know, but it was. You had a good take on it. It's again, we disagree.

Jason McIntyre (4:04)

Some young kid did something really mean and really dumb and that's what young 21 year olds.

Chris Broussard (4:10)

By the way, how do you punish that kid? What's the punishment?

Jason McIntyre (4:13)

My punishment is get on the phone call immediately and apologize and let the nation, they're going to take shots at you. Have them all coming. I don't need to spank him. Like, by the way, public humiliation is very powerful. I didn't grow up with Twitter, thank goodness. Yeah, Twitter's very powerful to make you feel bad about yourself. We have self esteem studies being done everywhere, globally. People now are saying the best thing you can do as a parent. Psycho psychologists are saying this. Get them off social media.

Chris Broussard (4:42)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (4:43)

So being crushed on social media, being publicly humiliated and he was his punishment.

Chris Broussard (4:49)

And by the way, how does the the defensive coordinator leave his iPad around open with Shadow Sanders phone number on there when they drafted Michael Penix last year? I'm not calling BS on that, but something feels a little fishy. No, do you leave your iPad open with phone numbers you talk to.

Jason McIntyre (5:06)

I trust my kids, you know, so. All right. Colin right? Colin wrong. On a Monday. Here we go.

Chris Broussard (5:13)

Where Colin was right.

Jason McIntyre (5:15)

Edwards continues to be the best young player in the game. And I said this last week not a GM in this league would take Ja Morant over Ant Edwards. Jaw got swept okay? And Edwards is dominating fourth quarters. And three years ago John Morant was the better player. Clearly that is not close to the case. Ant takes on LeBron. Ant can play a rigorous, strong, physical, intimidating defensive game. Jaw can't. You are looking at, in my opinion, the best domestic player in the league right now at his age. Certainly Ant Edwards.

Chris Broussard (5:54)

Where Colin was raw.

Jason McIntyre (5:56)

I thought Shador Sanders was the second best quarterback I watched in college football to Cam Ward. And listen, he fell out. There's a lot of explanations for it. To complete 74% of your throws behind a terrible offensive line is impressive, but there's enough bad tape out there with him that it didn't blow people away. I do think he will win the starting job at some point next year. And don't listen to J. Mac. That a tasty bet. Take Shador to eventually start for the Cleveland Browns. I was wrong. I would have taken him if I was Pittsburgh. I don't know what Pittsburgh's thinking. Must already have Aaron Rodgers.

Chris Broussard (6:33)

Where Colin was right.

Jason McIntyre (6:34)

You know, I. I don't like to pick on kids, but I was never a Quinn Ewers fan. I didn't get it. One year ago people said he could be the first quarterback taken. I didn't buy it. I never had. I know he's a five star high school quarterback. I know he won a bunch of games with Texas. I don't see it. He was the 13th quarterback taken. I just. He had great protection and unbelievable wide receivers at Texas and made some incredibly big throws. But I never watched him during college football and thought that's a franchise quarterback. And he ended up being the 13th quarterback taken.

Chris Broussard (7:04)

Where Colin was wrong.

Jason McIntyre (7:06)

I thought the Chicago Bears were going to go heavy defense in the draft because they've spent so much money on offense. They said nope. Tight end, wide receiver, offensive tackle with their first three picks. I like the picks but I mean they have so much talent on offense. Colston Loveland, one of my favorite players. No excuses for Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson is clearly running the draft room because they are going free agency and drafting their best picks. And pickups are offense where Colin was right. I said for the last month I think the Raiders are the perfect pick. For Ashton Genty because Geno Smith, historically, when he has a run game and can throw on play action, is actually a really good quarterback. You go look to his career on play action is 106 passer rating. So now they've got their quarterback in Geno, a star tight end, a star running back, Colton Miller a left tackle. And they went and picked up some running some wide receivers. They also have Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll. I don't know how the Raiders are going to do, but I thought this was the perfect pick. I loved everything. And at 58 people say he's small. It is hard to get leverage on five, eight running backs. Nobody bounces off more college defenders than Ashton Genty.

Chris Broussard (8:26)

Where Colin was raw.

Jason McIntyre (8:28)

Boy, did I miss on the Lakers series. I had the Lakers in five because I thought they were better offensively. But J.J. redick has made it very clear he doesn't trust Jackson Hayes. Translation, we're going to play small ball and Minnesota's dominating the boards. They're more physical, they've got more rotational options. The lakers are playing five dudes and Luka looked tired at the end, LeBron was tired at the end. And the Lakers have been outscored by six or more in every fourth quarter. And a lot of that is Minnesota is fresher where Colin was. Right. I thought the Pacers were going to fly through the Bucks. The Dame injury stinks, but I just think Indiana's got more good players in their prime. I think Indiana's got the best talent in the league that nobody talks about. I really like the Pacers and I don't like the Bucks and I've said this for three years, they're too Giannis centric. And the big problem is that's okay. The Nuggets are Jokic centric, but I trust Jokic at the free throw line rate late. I do not trust Giannis at the free throw line late so much. Like Shaq, you didn't want him at the line even though he was dominant. So for me it's time to blow up this roster where Colin was wrong. I had been told that a wide receiver, T. Mac from Arizona, a lot of people had cooled on him. But it only takes one and Carolina drafted him with the 8th pick. I thought some of the draft analysis on him was interesting. People theorized that Bryce Young is a smaller quarterback and therefore the long and lanky T. Mac is easier to see. Never thought about that. Probably true, but yeah, it takes one. I'd heard teams that cooled on him. Did he love football? Where can you use him? He's kind of a strider, doesn't get off the line good enough. I was wrong. And with that 18 years in the NFL. Matt Hasselbeck is joining us. You know, it's funny about quarterbacks. A year ago everybody's like, Quinn, ew, first round. Two years ago, Sam, hell, first round. So you get lied to a lot about this stuff. Things change. I mean when, when he dropped in the draft, Shador Sanders, what was your immediate first and second take on that?

Matt Hasselbeck (10:45)

I was a little bit surprised, but there really weren't that many teams that were desperate for a quarterback. I mean obviously Tennessee, you know, there's something out there with Pittsburgh. The Giants were a player Pittsburgh, you know, wondering about the Aaron Rodgers thing. But like once he fell, it was clear he was going to fall for, you know, he could fall pret. And there were some great quarterbacks. And for me, as a 6th round pick pick 187, I was kind of in my mind a little bit like Crimea River. You know, there's some good players out there, Kyle McCord, Riley Leonard, will Howard. But I do think Shador Sanders is a really good quarterback. I think he's talented. Clearly his film was a lot better than I think maybe some of the interactions and some of the lead up to the draft. And that probably gave some people some pause. Some teams that might have taken him chose to go elsewhere.

Jason McIntyre (11:33)

So I, I would put Travis Hunter on mostly because I could target him 12 times and get him the ball. Whereas I'd rather do that than him used as a decoy chasing around quarterbacks and not be part of the play. So. And I think he will be a prolific offensive player. But I do wonder on Tuesday or Wednesday during install and he's in the offensive meeting and not in the defensive meeting, is that problematic?

Matt Hasselbeck (11:59)

Yeah, I think there's like a lot of people don't understand how it works like in a real work week for an NFL team. I mean I could see a scout being like, like, oh man, this guy's awesome. He could play offense, he could play defense. But the reality of the process, you hear coaches talk about process. Wednesday is all first and second down. Offense and defense do the exact same thing every day during the week. Thursday is all third down, third down in two minute. Friday is red zone, short yardage, goal line. Saturday is kind of a walkthrough mock game, situational, you know, Hail Mary, end of game type situations. Obviously you play the game on Sunday. So really I think this is going to be a Real challenge, challenge for the coaches and for the player. Playing the actual game is not the hard part. Like, that's physically not a big deal. The preparation. You spend all day studying the intricacies and tendencies on third down of your own playbook of your opponent. I just don't know how they're going to do that. They're going to have to get creative and the coaches are going to have to be the ones to adjust.

Jason McIntyre (13:01)

I was really surprised. The Bears, the last two years in free agency have mostly gone offense. And last year in the draft, you know, better picks, they went offense. So I would theorize, okay, they're going to figure this defense out and they went tight end, wide receiver, offensive tackle. I'm like, Ben Johnson is running the draft room, I think. Did it surprise you? What did you make of that?

Matt Hasselbeck (13:21)

Well, I think it's. If you're a Bears fan, you're really excited to see that Ben Johnson and Ryan Poles are together. Like, I think they're on the same page. That's not something you can say in Chicago for a long, long time. But I think they are setting this up to find out if Caleb Williams is in fact Ben Johnson's gu. And you know, clearly he's got the ability, he's got the potential. We have not seen the execution on the field. So, you know, obviously he goes out and gets his Sam laporta type guy at tight end. He's got the wide receivers he's building up front with the O line. He goes and gets Ozzy Tropillo an underrated second round pick. I, I think it's going to be all set up for Caleb to either be the guy or not be the guy going forward. I love the draft. I really love what they did, they did in Chicago. But now the pressure's on the young quarterback.

Jason McIntyre (14:09)

I had said this earlier, I talked to an NFL executive on Friday after this show and he said, he goes, if Shedeur doesn't get drafted by like the 38th pick, so six picks into the second round, he's being viewed as a backup. And some people aren't gonna, they're not gonna do that circus as a backup. He goes, keep your eye on Milroe. Everybody loves that kid. And he's not ready to play, so there'll be no pressure on the starter. So John Snyder to me is about as good as a personnel guy as the league has. I thought the Seahawks had the best draft. You know the organization well. What do you make? So I get taking Milroe over Shador because Sam, starting for two years, let's not threaten him. What did you make of the pick and what did you make of the Seahawks draft?

Matt Hasselbeck (14:55)

Yeah, I agree with really everything that you're saying there. And, you know, I just go back to even on the quarterback thing. I think I've told you before, two coaches that came and sort of like worked me out when I was in college were Sean Payton and Andy Reid. Neither one of them worked me out. Sean Payton took me to lunch and Andy Reid hung out in a. In a whiteboard meeting room with me. And we talked. They both, I think, wanted to see if I was the kind of guy that they wanted in their quarterback room, that they wanted in their locker room. The person that I was like, was I going to fit in their team? And I think what I've learned in 18 years in the NFL is that humility is respected in the locker room. So I, I think, like, when you're talking about a Jalen Milroe as an example, he's everything you're looking for in a guy you're adding to your team, adding to your locker room, adding to your quarterback room. Your quarterback coach wants to coach a guy like that. You hear Mike McDonald talk about, hey, he's special as a quarterback in the traditional sense. But it. When this guy, like when things break down as a defensive coordinator, my biggest fear as a defense coordinator, play caller, is when the guy has the ability to go do something with it as a runner as well. And Milroe certainly, certainly is exceptional in that, in that regard. So, yeah, to your point, the Seahawks, they went and got their Steve Hutchinson type offensive lineman, no nonsense, versatile, you know, potential hall of Famer type talent. And then, you know, like, obviously, you know, later on they replaced Gino with Milroe. They, they add depth where they need to adapt. They get their Cam Chancellor in the second round trying to rebuild that leg.

Jason McIntyre (16:33)

Boom.

Matt Hasselbeck (16:33)

The Kyle Hamilton type guy that McDonald was using with Baltimore, I mean, they're in love with their draft right now, and I think Seahawk fans are as well.

Jason McIntyre (16:41)

Okay. I thought the Raiders, Aston Genti, I thought he fit Chip Kelly. I thought he was what they need. I think Geno's always proven on play action he's a more than capable NFL quarterback. I loved that pick. That's one of the few we called. What did you make of it?

Matt Hasselbeck (16:57)

Yeah, we talked about it in March. I think you asked me the question what I think about it. And it's an identity pick, I think, in that division too, with the great quarterbacks. And the great offenses in that division. Pete Carroll views a great running game as an extension of the defense. He's got this formula in play calling. How many times do I run it, plus how many times do I have a completion? And that's my formula. Ball security is another major factor. But like when you go back to who Pete Carroll was at SC with Lindell White and Reggie Bush, and then who he was in Seattle with, Marshawn lynch, this fits him exactly. And I would even say that, you know, if you really study what Chip Kelly was last year as the play caller at Ohio State. This was a run first team, and this was a be the hammer, not the nail kind of a mindset that I think both coaches have perfect fit.

Jason McIntyre (17:49)

I am guessing that the Steelers have some sort of deal with Aaron Rodgers. And Aaron just said, I'll wait to see how the draft plays out. And if you don't draft a starter, I'll come aboard. Will Howard's a backup right now, I'm guessing, because otherwise I don't know what Pittsburgh's doing at quarterback. What do you think they're doing with Aaron?

Matt Hasselbeck (18:10)

Yeah, I think you nailed it. I mean, I have no inside info, but this whole time when everyone's all this chatter, what's Aaron Rodgers waiting for? You either want to be a Steeler or you don't. Guys, do you remember what happened last year? Kirk Cousins signed a huge deal to go to Atlanta and then they picked a quarterback like 8th overall or something like that. He's waiting for the draft. He doesn't want to be a lame duck quarterback. This is the perfect team for him. Pittsburgh's the perfect fit. He's waiting till after the draft. So you don't do something sort of foolish. Go get me more weapons, don't go draft my replacement. And that's essentially how I think the draft played out. They got a really talented quarterback in the sixth, sixth round. And Will Howard, that's not a threat. He's more of a project, maybe of a guy that's like, hey, I really like this guy. I would like to sort of mentor this guy. I. I like what the Steelers did that way. And I do think there was a handshake agreement, let's wait till after the draft and then we'll. And we'll talk and get your pen out and we'll put this thing to paper.

Jason McIntyre (19:09)

For the record, a team will go into camp with 12 linebackers, 14 offensive linemen or more, but generally you don't have five quarterbacks. How do you. How does Cleveland figure out. I mean, I think Shador is going to win the job eventually, but it is a lot of snaps. Dylan Gabriel, Kenny Pickett, Joe Flacco has that going to work.

Matt Hasselbeck (19:30)

It doesn't, honestly, Colin, it doesn't feel like a head coach, GM draft pick for that reason. It feels like an ownership draft pick. It feels like, you know, they had a plan and then all of a sudden someone who ranks higher than them said, hey, why don't we do this? And so something's got to change. There's not enough reps for, for three guys really, never mind five. So I wouldn't be surprised to see somebody get traded at some point. That's just the nature of how it goes. But I remember being my first year, I was the fourth string quarterback for the Green Bay packers and like I said, there's nothing to do. Essentially they used me as a practice squad, tight ended practice. So some. Somebody's gotta go. Somebody's gotta go. And that's an, that's an interesting dynamic in that room. Obviously people will be talking about that one and watching it very closely.

Jason McIntyre (20:22)

By the way, finally, the outpouring of affection to you on the passing of your father, I think speaks volumes about the Hasselbeck family and you in particular. I have met your father, I've met your family before. And I just think, I just. We want to pass along how much we think of you. And it warmed my heart to see the outpouring of affection by the Internet toward your family. My man. You know, we think.

Matt Hasselbeck (20:46)

Thanks, Colin. Yeah, my, my dad was larger than life in a lot of ways. And I hope we honored him at his funeral. He was, he's a great man and still in shock a little bit, but it's, he'll be definitely missed.

Jason McIntyre (20:59)

All right. Matt Hasselbeck, one of the really good guys in our profession. 18 years in the NFL. That is interesting. They had Matt playing tight end in Green Bay, so as he noted, it felt like an owner pick, not a coach, GM pick. And that's what my friend John Middelkoff theorized. They took Dylan Gabriel around early just to get out of the shadour stuff. But you know, the owner, he liked Baker, who's a lot of personality. He liked Johnny Manziel, a lot of personality. He wanted Deshaun Watson and you know, owners now, I mean, listen, they, they're, they get the final say.

Chris Broussard (21:34)

So let me ask you the Dylan Gabriel stuff. He's from Hawaii. Yeah, he, as a quarterback, I believe he's five ten. Five, five ten. And A half. You know, is he gonna work in Cleveland again? Look at his history. He played at ucf. Warm weather.

Jason McIntyre (21:48)

Ish. Locals didn't see him. I, I, I don't, I, I thought Cleveland had a great draft. I didn't get that pick. There were. Seattle had a pick where they picked a fullback in the fifth round. I didn't get that pick.

Chris Broussard (21:58)

So wait, so do the Browns like Gabriel or were they saying les, let's, let's just say no to Shador by taking a quarter.

Jason McIntyre (22:06)

That's right.

Chris Broussard (22:06)

So why would you take him? I mean, no disrespect to Gabriel. I felt a little major early.

Jason McIntyre (22:11)

Yeah, I, again, I had, I don't know. I, I didn't get, you know, listen, it's hard to ace. I thought Seattle came as close to acing a draft as you can. I thought Cleveland had a great draft, but that one I didn't get.

Chris Broussard (22:24)

Yeah, but at the same time, you talk about five guys in camp who's a pro, who's coming in with earbuds and an entourage and a video crew. It ain't Dylan Gabriel.

Jason McIntyre (22:33)

No, he, and by the way, he's had a multitude of, you know, he's.

Chris Broussard (22:36)

Bounced three, three colleges.

Jason McIntyre (22:38)

I think that's a little more mature perhaps. I don't, Yeah, I mean, I, I just, but I don't see him. Maturity aside, I think Shador Sanders is a franchise quarterback. I do not think Dylan Gabriel, I think he's a third.

Chris Broussard (22:49)

You think Joe Flacco would have signed there if he thought he was going to be like the fourth string guy? Inactive.

Jason McIntyre (22:54)

My guess is they have Kenny Pickett on draftkings winning. I think Flacco wins the job. And Shadour event.

Chris Broussard (23:00)

Where do you think Pickett is moved?

Jason McIntyre (23:04)

I'm just.

Chris Broussard (23:05)

Wow.

Jason McIntyre (23:06)

That's what I think. I don't know what to tell you, but you can't keep four and five guys around. You can keep eight linebackers, but.

Chris Broussard (23:14)

So the smart move would probably be right on the eve of camp to cut desean Watson. That's the big story. Not this four man competition. Just move on, take the cap hit, get out of the way.

Jason McIntyre (23:23)

I think your quarterback competition now is more than interesting.

Chris Broussard (23:27)

It's going to be the number one talking point heading into camp.

Jason McIntyre (23:29)

Right.

Chris Broussard (23:29)

Because they have shadow work.

Jason McIntyre (23:30)

Well, I don't know if it's the number. It's certainly with Cleveland.

Chris Broussard (23:33)

What other quarterback issues are there around the league? What other competitions are there? I don't think there's any. Maybe. Well, I think Jackson Dart's not going to get it, but I think Jackson.

Jason McIntyre (23:42)

Dart's going to be a story. I want to watch Cam Ward. I'm excited.

Chris Broussard (23:45)

He's a starter. Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (23:46)

No, no. And he, by the way, he is such a neat. I mean, you see his interviews. I mean, I find these guys, some of these young guys are impossible not to root for. I mean, Kyle McCord sitting there crying when he embraces his dad going to Philadelphia. It's like, like I already like the kid, but it's impossible.

Chris Broussard (24:00)

I saw Kyle McCord was maybe prank called. Several of these guys got pranked called.

Jason McIntyre (24:04)

I think the tight end got pranked.

Chris Broussard (24:06)

Tight end Tyler Warren as well. Like, it's just like. Guys, come on, dude.

Jason McIntyre (24:10)

It's. Listen Everybody wants to be viral. RG3 was quoted as saying that this morning. I saw everybody wants to be viral. It's like.

Colin Cowherd (24:20)

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Jason McIntyre (27:10)

Lot of stuff going on today. Rick Bucher joining us next hour. NBA basketball. It's physical tastic. Don't listen to J. Mac. Push people around. I'm still not sure. Usually after four or five games, I know who the better team is. I still think the Clippers are better than the Nuggets. I still think that. I still think I'm crazy. Are the warriors going to beat the Rockets?

Chris Broussard (27:36)

We'll see. Jimmy Butler, tbd. By the way, the Lakers in game three and four, six of the eight quarters were better than Timberwolves. Yes, they were. So I don't think that series is over. I know I'm in the minority.

Jason McIntyre (27:46)

Had a 14 nothing run to start the third. I thought it was over. I thought, okay, Austin Reeves woke up. We're ready to go. Yeah, but again, you asked LeBron in year 22 to play an entire second half. Because you're not playing until Wednesday.

Chris Broussard (27:59)

Great. In the fourth quarter defensively at like a steel block. Steal consecutively.

Jason McIntyre (28:03)

That block on defense, a great block. Oh, I thought they came down when Dorian Finney Smith after the block hit the three. Yeah, I thought the game was.

Chris Broussard (28:11)

They're up, too. 90 seconds left. I was like, yes.

Matt Hasselbeck (28:13)

Then.

Chris Broussard (28:14)

Then, no. Anthony Edwards did his thing.

Jason McIntyre (28:16)

J. Mac, with the news. No, no, no.

Chris Broussard (28:19)

Heard on the news.

Jason McIntyre (28:20)

This is the Herd line news. All right.

Chris Broussard (28:23)

The staff's working overtime. They found a Buffalo Bills moment from the draft weekend. That's phenomenal. So the Bills loaded up on defense. First five picks, a local Bills Radio station was unhappy that they didn't draft a receiver and GM Brandon Bean had some thoughts on that.

Jason McIntyre (28:40)

Sounds like 2018 all over with you guys. Well, we're very.

Chris Broussard (28:44)

How so?

Jason McIntyre (28:45)

Well, you guys were bitching in 2018 about Josh Allen. You guys wanted Josh Rosen, and now you guys are bitching that we don't have a receiver. I don't get it. No one scored more points than the Buffalo Bills, including the super bowl champions. How is this group not better than last year's group? Like, I don't like. Our job is to score, score points and win games. Where do we need to get better defense? We did that. So I get it. You got to have a show and you gotta, you gotta have something to about. But bitching about wide receiver is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard.

Chris Broussard (29:17)

Well, love it. Love it. Don't you love that combativeness?

Jason McIntyre (29:20)

Yeah, well, I mean, when you're in a smaller market and, you know, you see everybody in the grocery store, you know, guys get feisty. I mean, it's a Buffalo. Football is.

Chris Broussard (29:31)

Yeah. Bigger than wings, right?

Jason McIntyre (29:33)

Super Bowl. New York had a Super Bowl. I was at a New York Super Bowl. You couldn't tell they were having a Super Bowl. There's so many things with the UN. You know the UN, they do that annually. The UN's in town, like New York. You don't even know if there's a Super Bowl. Buffalo. The game's the biggest thing on the calendar that week. So I thought their draft was fine.

Chris Broussard (29:50)

I thought it was great.

Jason McIntyre (29:51)

Yeah, they draft very well. I didn't. They always, you know, by the way, that Walker guy that the defensive tackle for Kentucky the fourth round, I think he's had some injury stuff, but when he was healthy. Yeah, he, when he's playing well, he can be a game wreck.

Chris Broussard (30:05)

So they basically went SEC for four, Ohio State at five. Like, come on, this is a good draft. And by the way, the Bills defense was getting long in the tooth last couple years. Remember the injuries to the linebackers secondary? So I like this draft for Buffalo. I, I'm on board. Bills and winning the super bowl next year.

Jason McIntyre (30:21)

That's my, I thought you had an issue year.

Chris Broussard (30:24)

I, I, I think I did. Yeah. But did they got robbed by the officials against Kansas City?

Jason McIntyre (30:32)

I will say this after looking at that Bears draft.

Chris Broussard (30:34)

Oh, jeez, here we go. What?

Jason McIntyre (30:36)

I mean, look at their offensive talent. It's incredible.

Chris Broussard (30:41)

So what, what do you think? Bears, Super bowl, what do we got here?

Jason McIntyre (30:44)

Playoff? You don't think so?

Chris Broussard (30:47)

Look, at the schedule, my friend. Take a glimpse at the opposite. It is brutal. Next story. Colin is back to the NBA. Oh, look, another American dominating my man. Jayson Tatum sat out game two with a wrist injury courtesy of the physical postseason basketball bounced back with a 37 piece yesterday in game four after 36 in game three.

Jason McIntyre (31:08)

Yeah.

Chris Broussard (31:09)

Jason Tatum. How about this stat from our staff? Most 30 point playoff games in the league since 2020. Jason Tate. Him with a Luca Jokic, Aunt Edwards, whoever you want to name. Jason Tatum is the truth. I love this guy.

Jason McIntyre (31:24)

Yeah.

Chris Broussard (31:24)

And I know I don't like Boston, by the way.

Jason McIntyre (31:26)

I know you think I don't like him, but you asked me this week who was the domestic face of the league and I said, who would I bet on? And I said, ant.

Chris Broussard (31:35)

That's a good.

Jason McIntyre (31:35)

Because his personality. And then one A was Jason Tate. No, you asked me who the best domestic player was and I said Anthony Ant, one Tatum, one A. Because I do think Ant can do some things physically that Tatum can't.

Chris Broussard (31:49)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (31:50)

But I think they're both amazing players, both excellent.

Chris Broussard (31:52)

And Ant is showing out against the Lakers, which on a big stage, it doesn't get much better than that.

Jason McIntyre (31:56)

Been great in the fourth quarter.

Chris Broussard (31:58)

You know the history of teams that win the title the next year, they kind of struggle, Right. We've seen a lot of those teams fall out in the playoffs. This Boston team does not look like it's going to have any trouble with the Knicks next round. Right.

Jason McIntyre (32:09)

They will give. They will dispose of the Knicks in five. The only series that's really surprised me has been the Lakers. And I didn't think JJ Redick would play five players only for an entire half. Like, I was like, wow, they're not playing Jackson Hayes at all.

Chris Broussard (32:24)

Well, he's unplayable. Well, he's a foul machine. He's not a high IQ player, gets dumb flagrants, dumb text. He's just not a smart player. He's done. And I mean, he might as well get his passport to China. He's gonna be playing for one of those teams in China next year. He's not.

Jason McIntyre (32:37)

He's an NBA player.

Chris Broussard (32:38)

Stop it. Come on. Final story. COLLINS to the NBA warriors got that Game 3 win over the weekend. Jimmy Butler did not play and they're optimistic he could return. According to the athletic, Butler worked out on the practice court ahead of Game 3 and the medical team held him out to give him two more days with a belief he's going to be back for game four.

Jason McIntyre (32:58)

I thought Golden State 10 goon didn't know what he was doing. Jalen Green pulled back like it was a.

Chris Broussard (33:05)

By the way, Jalen Green got into it with Draymond at the end. Another thing with the physical nature, I mean, I. I've got a list here going of all the coaches and players who were like, this is not the basketball that we've been playing all year.

Jason McIntyre (33:17)

Well, that's right. It's not. Thank God. Thank God.

Chris Broussard (33:20)

Chris Finch, who sits on the couch, is a big fan of the show. He's complained about the officiatings.

Jason McIntyre (33:25)

I don't think he's complaining now. Well, his team's beating the Lakers up.

Matt Hasselbeck (33:29)

Yeah.

Chris Broussard (33:29)

I don't like that. Jalen Brown has complained.

Jason McIntyre (33:31)

How about this?

Chris Broussard (33:32)

Steve Kerr?

Jason McIntyre (33:32)

Ask yourself this. How about this? And I think it has to be coaching to some degree. Julius Randle. You never trusted him in the playoffs, ever. He has had a good series.

Chris Broussard (33:41)

He's shooting 45 threes and he shot 28 in his career in the playoffs.

Jason McIntyre (33:46)

He has shot the ball.

Chris Broussard (33:47)

He looks like an all NBA player.

Colin Cowherd (33:48)

He does.

Chris Broussard (33:49)

Like, he's tough to stop. I mean, Julius Randall, I'm like, usually threes.

Jason McIntyre (33:52)

I think some of it is. You have to pay so much attention to ant that he gets better looks and they move the ball. And Jaden McDaniels is playing.

Chris Broussard (34:00)

Daniels is really good. He's a good player.

Jason McIntyre (34:02)

Naz Reed. Lakers in trouble. And remember Lakers.

Chris Broussard (34:06)

I don't know why you're smiling. This is bad for the show.

Jason McIntyre (34:09)

Great for the show.

Chris Broussard (34:10)

Stop it. You will not open the show with Anthony Edwards.

Jason McIntyre (34:12)

Yes, I will.

Chris Broussard (34:12)

Four straight days.

Jason McIntyre (34:13)

No way. As a favorite of Chris Finch, I will.

Chris Broussard (34:16)

Fine.

Jason McIntyre (34:16)

Fine.

Chris Broussard (34:16)

Okay.

Jason McIntyre (34:17)

You're right.

Chris Broussard (34:17)

I forgot.

Jason McIntyre (34:17)

I think Minnesota's a good one.

Chris Broussard (34:18)

Watch, by the way, Finch A plus off air, taking all my basketball questions. He will take anything I ask him. I like the guy a lot, so. I do.

Jason McIntyre (34:27)

Are you pestering him?

Chris Broussard (34:29)

Mildly.

Jason McIntyre (34:31)

During the playoffs?

Chris Broussard (34:32)

No, no, I'm not. No, no, no. When he comes here to the show.

Jason McIntyre (34:35)

Okay. Okay.

Chris Broussard (34:35)

Yeah. When it's a commercial break.

Matt Hasselbeck (34:36)

He's.

Chris Broussard (34:36)

He's a nice guy and willing to talk hoops.

Jason McIntyre (34:38)

Oh, he's a great guy. Staffs had a great series. J. Mac with the news.

Chris Broussard (34:44)

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.

Jason McIntyre (34:49)

You know, the, The. The thing that's interesting about the draft is that so much of what we talk about before the draft is it really 75% of this for players is where quarterbacks is where you land. And so I'm trying to think is. Is Cleveland a great place for Shador to land? Now, here's the good news. I think Stefansky is a great coach. He's an offensive coach. He's good with pocket quarterbacks, so it's a great place. The second thing is the owner made the pick. That's the feeling. So the owner likes you. He's going to give you some leash here. He's going to let you. He's going to let you play. He's going to push for you to play. And Shador is in this quarterback room. He's the most talented quarterback. So you can complain about Cleveland, but offensive coach, excellent draft. You're the most talented guy in a room of kind of past their prime or never their quarterbacks. There's worse play and the owner picked you, so you know you're going to get some tarmac here. You're going to get some Runway. So you could say, well, it's a bet they're going to move off. They're going to move off quarterbacks. Two of them, immediately.

Colin Cowherd (36:01)

Immediately.

Jason McIntyre (36:02)

I. You know what? I'm interested. How about this? What if Shador is a great guy in camp? I suppose he would be. And then. And plays well in the preseason and Flacco wins the job and Kenny Pickett to, you know, back. Whatever. It's just going to be interesting. What happens if Shadour is really good.

Chris Broussard (36:21)

Really quickly, you know that the odds are probably high he's inactive for at least the first month of games.

Jason McIntyre (36:28)

No way. No way, dude. He is so much.

Chris Broussard (36:32)

You think so the Brown staff did not want anything to do with Shador. That's pretty clear. Okay, so the staff did not. Do you think they're going to make him the backup quarterback so that the moment Kenny Pickett throws a pick six or Flo has a bad game, Dion's out there. Well, my son should be starting. Do you think that's what they wanted?

Jason McIntyre (36:49)

Like, I don't think Dion. Well, yeah, I see you took that.

Chris Broussard (36:53)

Back pretty quickly, huh? Dion will say whatever he wants.

Jason McIntyre (36:56)

I think Shedeur is going to be noticeably better than everybody except Joe Flacco. And I think he's better than Joe Flacco. It's just that Flaco's seen so many reps that Flacco is going to be like, you know, he's gonna be like the principal among teachers. Like, he's just been. He's more experienced. Yeah, but I think Shador is going to pop. Listen, whether you like him or not, he was the most underdrafted player in the draft. There's no way he should be going the fifth round. That's why my take is Pittsburgh has to have a deal with Aaron.

Chris Broussard (37:23)

Roger, doesn't this come to the market like the market was rejecting Shadour Sanders.

Jason McIntyre (37:28)

Colin for a while? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, by the way, the NFL has every right to. Once college football just did this with Nico Iamaliava. He goes, I'm not showing up to practice. And college football said, yeah, we're not interested.

Chris Broussard (37:47)

UCLA two seconds later was like, please get over here.

Jason McIntyre (37:50)

Took a pay cut. It's fine, by the way. Took a player cut. It's not the same.

Chris Broussard (37:54)

Shador's taking like a $4 million pay cut being a 5th round pick from his nil money. Nobody. Seattle needed a quarterback. The Raiders needed a backup.

Jason McIntyre (38:02)

Well, Seattle got one.

Chris Broussard (38:04)

Well, they needed a backup. Nobody wanted Shador, Sid. That's the real. So you're saying underdrafted, but the reality wanted him.

Jason McIntyre (38:10)

Well, the NFL sent a message, a little more humility. And they have every right to do that. This is not, this is not a player run league. With very few exceptions, it is a, it is a front office league. And I think they sent that message and they have every right to. They don't want to be baseball and have 10 year contracts and they don't want to be the NBA player load.

Chris Broussard (38:30)

When you frame it like that, people are like, oh, the NFL did collude. I don't think so.

Jason McIntyre (38:33)

No, no, no.

Chris Broussard (38:34)

I think the five or six teams that wanted or that were in the market for a quarterback just didn't want anything to do with this.

Jason McIntyre (38:39)

Let me ask you this. This idea about colluding. If you lived on a cul de sac with eight homes and it was like a quiet, respectful with a bunch of young kids and all of a sudden a young party couple that stayed up all night and cranked loud music moved into the neighborhood. Would you have to collude? No. You would know. Everybody in the neighborhood's like, who are those jerks? You don't have to collude in life when everybody knows something that's obvious. You ever been in a room full of guys at a party and a beautiful woman walks in? You don't have to tell the guys that, wow, what's that? Who's that? You don't have to collude stuff. The NFL is a league. League where humility before you're an employee matters to the league. They don't want to be a load management league. I love the NBA. But there is a different culture. I like baseball's having a great two year stretch here, but their culture is different. Ten year contracts. The, the umpire union in baseball feels like it's stronger than the player union in the NFL. So sports are different. If you're a bad actor, I'm not saying shedeur would be, but if you're a bad actor in the NFL, you're out.

Colin Cowherd (39:42)

Out, you're gone.

Jason McIntyre (39:44)

Deshaun Watson will eat. Okay, 300 million. That's not the way the NBA and baseball work.

Chris Broussard (39:50)

So do you think based on everything he's learned, Shador is going to show up to camp the same way he showed up to those meetings with the teams, or do you think he's gonna. No more. This be legendary and earbuds and I think he's rocking out and being, I.

Jason McIntyre (40:04)

Mean, I think he's smart enough to learn his lesson. Nobody said he's a bad guy.

Chris Broussard (40:08)

Nobody did.

Jason McIntyre (40:09)

I've seen enough video in interviews with him. He seemed like a nice kid. And his reaction to the young man that pranked him I thought was incredibly impressive. He, he could have been so upset and so crushed and, and could have fired back. And Shadour Sanders said, hey, everybody makes mistakes. It's okay.

Chris Broussard (40:27)

That was, that was good.

Jason McIntyre (40:28)

It was really impressive. So to me, I wish he would have been that before the draft, but.

Chris Broussard (40:34)

Maybe he needed to learn this lesson.

Jason McIntyre (40:35)

I mean, believe it or not, 23 year olds aren't quite, you know.

Chris Broussard (40:39)

You were mature at 23.

Jason McIntyre (40:40)

No, I was in embarrassment.

Chris Broussard (40:42)

I was in embarrassment until about 30.

Jason McIntyre (40:43)

Yeah, you were doing double earrings at nightclubs. Well, I had to give you a call and say, scale back, scale back. If you ever want to be in.

Chris Broussard (40:51)

The herd, you can see the holes are still there.

Jason McIntyre (40:54)

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Chris Broussard (44:41)

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Jason McIntyre (44:52)

So look at the quarterbacks taken there were 13 to just show you how weak of a quarterback draft it was. One will actually play a lot next year. Cam Ward, he will start. But Jackson Dart is not going to start. Okay. Russell Wilson will start. Russell Wilson we believe better. Tyler Shuck, Arizona. You know, Louisville to the Saints. I don't think he's going to start.

Chris Broussard (45:15)

Well, wait, the Derek Carr stuff is interesting because he's talking about this short shoulder injury and he's not rehabbing. He went on like some church stage over the weekend. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with, with Derek Carr.

Jason McIntyre (45:26)

I think he's going to be ready. I think there's a disagreement in the building. Oh, but my take is Tyler Shuck will not start.

Chris Broussard (45:33)

I would agree.

Jason McIntyre (45:33)

Yeah, Melro won't play. Gabriel won't play. Shador will eventually play. McCord's a total backup. So is Howard Leonard, Mertz, Miller, Roark, Queen. Yours one starter and backups. And I mean some of these guys like I don't see Dylan Gabriel as an NFL quarterback. Quarterback. You think Merz as an NFL quarterback?

Chris Broussard (45:52)

Everyone outside of Cam Ward will they have five starts next season total.

Jason McIntyre (45:56)

Yeah, Shedeur will have all five.

Chris Broussard (46:00)

Well, he better according to you cuz. I'm sorry, I. I can't believe Graham Merz was drafted. Your guy Riley Leonard, six round of the Colts.

Jason McIntyre (46:07)

No, I mean the whole draft usually there's like three guys that are going to start for sure and two that will compete and you think they'll. You got one starter quarter.

Chris Broussard (46:15)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (46:15)

So that tells you a lot here. And by that's why like I, I don't get Pittsburgh. I would have taken Shador Sanders. But here is Matt Hasselbeck on the Steelers, Aaron Rodgers their quarterback position.

Matt Hasselbeck (46:27)

All this chatter. What's Aaron Rodgers waiting for? You either want to be a Steeler or you don't. Guys, do you remember what happened last year? Kirk Cousins signed a huge deal to go to Atlanta and then they picked a quarterback like 8th overall or something like that. He's waiting for the draft. Draft. He doesn't want to be a lame duck quarterback. This is the perfect team for him. Pittsburgh's the perfect fit. He's waiting till after the draft so you don't do something sort of foolish. Go get me more weapons. Don't go draft my replacement. I like what the Steelers did that way and I do think there was a handshake agreement. Let's wait till after the draft and then we'll. And we'll talk.

Jason McIntyre (47:02)

Yeah, we had said this is that I don't think Aaron was at in. In any hurry. And I think, you know, Aaron's the one guy in the league that nobody has any real contacts. Nobody really knows what he's doing is. I mean we people close to him thought he would be on that, you know, McAfee Pittsburgh Show. So you just don't know. But my guess is you can't be taking defensive lineman in a division with Burrow and Lamar Jackson and in a conference with Mahomes and Allen if you're not taking. If you don't have a quarterback. And so Aaron with this defensive team, pretty interesting. I don't think great. 9, 10 wins, but much more interesting than. I mean Shador would have been the most interesting, but they didn't love him. You know, in, in here's the thing is you got to what Mel Kuiper found out. There's a lot of misinformation before the draft. You start getting real information once the draft starts, then stories start to develop and, and then things are explained. But I think Steelers Aaron Rodgers, whenever Aaron wants to. You know, Aaron tends to in the offseason do his own thing. So they may have an agreement that he's going to show up in July. I, I can see that Aaron works out by himself maybe here in California up in Thousand Oaks. But it's hard for me to believe you wouldn't draft Shador unless you had some sort of plan. And I think coming on the heels of the Kirk cousin situation, Aaron's like and we predicted this. We had said before the draft is I could see Aaron just saying, hey, I'm not getting burned here. I got no interest getting burned. So that, that's kind of the take. And the other take is that the Browns front office, you could tell by their reaction did not want to draft Shador because you could tell by their reaction. They drafted Dylan Gabriel hoping it would get them out of the quarterback situation. But Shador is a much better pro prospect than Dylan Gabriel. Not close. Much better.

Chris Broussard (48:55)

Yeah. I mean, it comes down to fit, ultimately. Colin I I don't know what the Browns saw in Gabriel.

Jason McIntyre (49:00)

Well, I think it is about fit, but should do. I mean, I, I want to watch. I I have a hard time believing he is not a franchise quarterback. 74 completion rate, running for his life. He's got some bad habits, but almost everybody not named Andrew Luck. Jaden Daniels comes into the league at quarterback with habits.

Chris Broussard (49:21)

Caleb Williams had a lot of bad habits.

Jason McIntyre (49:22)

Yeah, I mean, Bo Nicks. It doesn't matter if you have 60 college starts. There's things you have to refine. The coverage is better. The coverages are smarter. The schemes are tougher. The coaching's better. All right, Hour three NBA Playoffs Lakers in big boy trouble warriors may have.

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