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Ah, here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. By the way, the warriors now get Minnesota their coach Chris Finch an hour from now that that is a tough matchup. Houston was so inexperienced and GRE that they could sort of manipulate them in the half court offense. Minnesota's not so Minnesota's bigs, Julius Randall, Rudy Gobert are all veterans, so you're not gonna fool them. I think Golden State felt very confident in big games in a series because they thought if we can just limit gen through Draymond is, you know, we don't have a great fear of their half court offense. And you saw it yesterday. Minnesota is a whole different ballgame.
Unknown
Yeah, remember they, they overwhelmed the Lakers with size. Just overwhelmed them. Gobert 24 boards. Is golden State going to play big? Do they want to play more?
Jason McIntyre
No, I mean Looney's going to play and Draymond Kaminga doesn't work it. You saw it yesterday. They, they put him in and pulled him out. Well, the kid, seven minutes no post, he's okay.
Unknown
Well, if he could pull Gobert from the basket and splash threes, then it's game on. But like, I don't know how they guard Julius Randle. I mean, who, who's matches up with Randall?
Jason McIntyre
Well, it's funny, when Randall went to the T Wolves initially, I'm like, that's a weird fit. And over the course of a season, this is where coaching matters. Yes, he's actually fit very well. It's almost like when JuJu Smith Schuster went to the Chiefs from New England. You're like, he shot.
Unknown
Yeah.
Jason McIntyre
And then you're like another targeting me nine times in a playoff game. He worked with Andy Reid and Julius Randall's like, this is at the end of the career. And like I watched him in the Lakers series, I'm like, he's their second guy for a basket.
Unknown
I think that the warriors are gonna have to play Gary Payton to defend Anthony Edwards. You know, Curry's not and you know Buddy Heald can't. So like it's going to Be tough for the Warriors. Yeah.
Jason McIntyre
All hands on deck.
Colin Cowherd
All right.
Jason McIntyre
Colin was right. Colin was wrong on the Monday. Here we go.
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Where Colin was right.
Jason McIntyre
James Harden in the playoffs. Not somebody I trust. Two no shows and Kawhi and Harden again they're absolutely all time gifted. You can't build around either. I said this during the year. Yes, he'll you 28 points. He'll have his quarters, halves and moments. But if Harden isn't scoring and he wasn't yesterday, you don't get a lot else. And you saw it against the Nuggets.
Unknown
In Game 7 where Colin was wrong.
Jason McIntyre
I pick Houston to beat the Warriors. I thought, you know, I be honest with you athleticism, size and length. I thought it would be a problem. But too often they were reduced to just a half court offensive team and it is ugly. A Jalen Green doesn't really have a traditional or dependable offensive game. They really if Amend Thompson would not have been so good yesterday, especially in the first three quarters. I don't know if this game would have been close. But they got worked in the half court by Butler, Draymond, Buddy Heald and Steph Curry.
Unknown
Where Colin was right.
Jason McIntyre
I said before Jimmy Butler got to the Warriors I don't care what analytics say, he's going to fit. They were under 500 pre Jimmy Butler and there were a lot of analytic mavens that said it may not work. Yes it will. He's a bridge between Steph and Draymond Green. He's got the toughness and the physicality and the defense of Draymond. But he can also be a finisher like Steph Curry and like Draymond Green he is often at his best when he's backed into a corner and playoff Jimmy Illustration A yesterday where Colin was wrong I thought when the Debner Nuggets fired their coach with three games left in the regular season as they were skidding out of control, I thought it was crazy against Ty Lu, experienced Clippers, older Clippers, deeper roster. What are you guys doing? Well, it worked. Westbrook was a tone setter. Jokic was dominant. Murray had, you know, typically gets hot and can be streaky. He was at the right time. I thought the Clippers based just on having a substitute teacher as a coach were going to be a bit over their skis. But they made great adjustments. Jokic barking and leading Westbrook playing some of his best, most important basketball of his life. And I was wrong.
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Where Colin was right.
Jason McIntyre
I said when Texas went to the SEC guys, you're in trouble Bama and lsu. Ole Miss can't play in that space. Just reported that Texas will spend up to 40 million on the football roster. That by the way does not count the Arch Manning money. That's a separate deal. And the SEC schools and I think they're feeling it now. And this is why the Big Ten is catching up because the Big Ten gets Oregon big money, Washington good money, USC spending huge nil money. Texas just has more bankroll than everybody else in the sec and as long as Sark is there who is a more than capable coach, Texas is going to control this conference.
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Where Colin was wrong well, I picked.
Jason McIntyre
The Lakers to dismantle the T Wolves because I'm like I don't trust Julius Randle in the postseason. Who's going to do their scoring outside of ant and it happens that Randle was great and a lot of people did their scoring. The T Wolves were deeper, they had more dexterity and options off the bench. And J.J. redick I didn't think flourished in this series. I also thought they just kept throwing athletic bodies at Austin Reaves. He was a bit of a no show. I think they should probably move him to get a big but boy was.
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I wrong on that series where Colin was right.
Jason McIntyre
Listen, I've said this about Austin Reaves. He can be a four like a Derrick White on a championship level team, but if he's a 2 or a 3 you know you're not going to beat the best teams in the league. And he looked overwhelmed in this series against more athletic wings. He shot 32% from three. Did not get to the free throw line in the last two games of this series. Again, he is a good player but look at all the talent on OKC and Minnesota and Cleveland and Indiana and the Celtics to Here comes Detroit. Golden State still got it. I just think you have to sometimes be honest about your own players where Colin was right. Paul Goldschmidt of the Yankees. About six months ago I told the staff most underrated player in the last 15 years and they said he made seven all star teams. How can you say he's underrated? Whatevs. He is now hitting.349 for the first place Yankees. Okay, Aaron Judge is from Mars. I can't explain Aaron Judge, but Paul Goldschmidt as your baseball insider, okay, wasn't very good for St. Louis last year but he is crushing it. I do believe last 15 years nobody's been this good and gotten less press than Paul Goldschmidt. Colin right? Colin wrong. And with that Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the NFL, is joining us. So there was a story out about once you pay a quarterback, you have to make choices. And so the Niners loved Hufanga and they loved Greenlawn. But there's a reason they're not on the team. It's because they're getting ready to pay Brock Purdy and Hufongo was on like a podcast and it threw a little shade at him and said how much he loved Bo Nix. And my take is quarterbacks don't get criticized much. Russell Wilson's a historic outlier. Do you think there it feels like there's a tad animosity. Not because he's getting paid. Nobody is upset that Justin Herbert gets paid or Lamar gets paid or Josh Allen gets paid. But I feel like there's a little bro, this is Kyle's team. We're getting rid of Pro Bowlers. Am I wrong on this? There's a little bit of animosity that Brock's talking mid-50s or his agent is for a contract.
Unknown
Well, I agree with you in a lot of ways, but I don't think it's specific to this team. Like if you were to be a fly on a wall in the NFLPA meetings in Hawaii or wherever they have them now, I think you'd hear that sent like, hey man, like these quarterback contracts, they're just getting out of control. You know, those numbers are just exponentially, like multiplying, just going up and up and up. And then what we're having in other positions is we're not seeing that same growth. So, you know, that is certainly something that you hear as a player in contract negotiations. I mean, I remember when the Indianapolis Colts, at the end of my career, they were getting ready to do Andrew Luck's contract. It was going to be a hundred million dollar deal. They had to create space. You've seen a lot of teams do that with their franchise guy. When they have a guy that they cann let out the door, they have to make sacrifices elsewhere. Seen Cincinnati do it. They did basically did it on the defensive side of the ball. So San Francisco, they're feeling that pain. They're feeling that real hurt right now. And that's certainly an excuse that they give to the agent. And it's probably being honest. I mean, that's just the nature of it. But I wouldn't be shocked if this is something that does get talked about in the future.
Jason McIntyre
Okay, so I know it's an old guy rant, but I do believe there is a row your own Boat quality to my kids. I say this to my kids. This is your life. I was watching a psychologist recently and he said the more times you solve your kids problems, the worst problem solvers they'll be as adults. Let your kids work through stuff. So I, you know, I was getting, I was talking to my kids this weekend. Maybe that's it. This story about Abdul Carter, somehow it gets word out that he's like, asked for Lawrence Taylor's number 56, the best defensive player in the history of this great sport. That drives me nuts. That bothers me. Should it. How do you view it?
Unknown
Well, I mean, I'm maybe like, get off my lawn even more than you. Like, I hate the fact that defensive players like Tom Brady said, I hate that the, the fact that they get to wear single digit numbers or number 11 in the first place. I'm old school that way. But no, I just, I think, listen, I don't. Listen, if you ask, go ahead and ask. I'm upset that it got out now. Now I look like kind of a, you know, it's embarrassing that two different people said no to. I guess you never know unless you ask. I think the team probably could have done him a favor and just said, hey, pick whatever number you want. Just so you know, here's the numbers. We will never say yes to, you know, 56 being one of them, right? But when I was in Seattle, listen, it's not a young guy, old guy thing. Like when I was in Seattle, Numbers mean something to players. Jerry Rice signed with the Seattle Seahawks late in his career. He wanted to wear 80. 80 was basically retired because Steve Largent, hall of Fame wide receiver for Seattle. And it was a thing like, you know, basically Steve Largent got put in a tough spot. Jerry R, the greatest receiver of all time, asked, what are you going to say no? It's a little bit harder to say no there. And then he wore 80. I was fine with it. The team was fine with it. Jerry obviously was fine with it. But the fans didn't sit well with some of those old school Kingdom fans. Like, it didn't sit well with them. So it's a tricky thing, but I'm with you, I guess. Lt was my guy as well, Colin. So I can relate to that.
Jason McIntyre
By the way. I just want to throw. I want to go old school here. And again, a lot of times, you know, if you, if you're 20 years old or 30 years old, you don't think Michael Jordan ever lost a playoff game. So there is something about the highlight culture. Take our audience just because, I mean, tell them how good LT was for people that only watch highlights. Because I, I remember him. I said, when Mike Tyson was in his prime coming up, he intimidated other heavyweight fighters. Like Michael Speaks is like, I'm not interested. I want to go home and have a bowl of pasta. I'm out. How great was Lawrence? Do you have a Lawrence Taylor story?
Unknown
Yeah, I mean, I got too many. Listen, my dad ended his career on the New York Giants and, you know, Mark Bavaro was the starting tight end, so he'd go with the ones against the scout team defense. My dad was the backup tight end. He'd go with the twos against the starting New York Giants defense. It's Carl Banks on one side, it's Lawrence Taylor on the other. So, like, I got more stories than I'm probably allowed to tell about lt, but, but he was the kind of guy, I would just say, like, for perspective, like when the game was on the line, he did whatever he wanted to do. If he was supposed to blitz, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. If he wasn't, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. He had that kind of freedom. I remember one time my dad was on the field goal protection team. They're kicking a game winning field goal and LT felt like, no, this, this is too important. He runs out there and kicks off like one of the wings on field goal protection. He was like, no, I'm blocking for this because we need to win this game. He just had that aura about him. He did whatever he wanted. And I think like, even now, here we are in 2025. You hear GU Bill Parcells or you hear Bill Belichick, they talk about the greatest to ever play a game changer. They're talking about lt. I mean, he was that, he was that kind of a difference maker. A unique talent, a uni, a unique teammate, and certainly someone that changed past protection in the NFL, the way that they design it and that's, I mean, I don't know what more you could say about a guy. He was incredible.
Jason McIntyre
So let's take Jalen Milro, the Seahawks. I've been told Seattle would like to use him in the red zone, that he's just a unique athlete and team. He's one of those athletes that you can't prepare for. He's just faster than anybody on your team. But right now, if you don't have a contract with the Seahawks, can I get the playbook? What am I doing? You have a quick camp. What is a quarterback that's new to this league. What, where are they in the process now?
Unknown
Well, that's a couple, a couple different questions there. Number one, they're in this phase of like, basically there's all these rules, what you can do with veteran players. You get a certain, you get three phases. Phase one, basically there's no football. It's lifting, it's rehab, it's studying terminology. Phase two, you get into like maybe throwing on air, there's no defense, some of that kind of stuff. And then phase three, the end of it. Now we're in seven on seven, nine on seven team drills, 11 on 11. But I think uniquely to this situation with Jalen Milroe, what you're going to see is you're going to see a guy that they're going to try to develop as he's the backup, he's going to be developing. And I think that that might even include playing on Sundays. So you saw what Kyle Shanahan did. You know Clint Kubiak came from that system. You saw what Kyle Shanahan did a little bit with Trey Lance before he got hurt. Short yardage, goal line and low red zone, meaning inside the 10 yard line. There will be a package for Jalen Milroe, who he is as a runner, also who he is as a quarterback, as a thrower. I think they're going to give him a small menu, not a Cheesecake Factory menu, like a very small menu of things to, to think about and dominate. And what's, what that's going to do is every opponent is going to have to spend a lot of time thinking about it, planning for it, and it's time that they won't be spending game planning for Sam Darnold and the rest of the guys.
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I got to ask you there, you know, whatever Aaron Rodgers is going to do, so how long if he goes to Pittsburgh and it's a totally new Arthur Smith system, how long would it take you or an Aaron Rodgers to go in? And it's almost like moving to a new city and driving to your new job where you don't have to think about it, it's rote, you've memorized it, everything's quick. What is the time that Aaron, the latest he could show up and you'd feel like, listen, it's all working. The timing, the audible system. What's the timeline on that? The latest Aaron could go to, say, the steal.
Unknown
Well, I'll tell you right now, I just mentioned the three phases. For a veteran quarterback, phase one feels like a waste of Your time, like it just, it sort of does. It's just lifting. Hey, I could lift with my guy where I like to lift. Like, that's just kind of the mindset. There's no football there anyway. Phase two, again, like you're throwing to guys on air. Not that important. Phase three, I think is really important. So for the Pittsburgh Steelers, I believe that's May 27th. May 27th is the start of phase three. They also have a mandatory minicamp, which would technically be June. June 10th. You know, when is the day that I need to like all of a sudden go from speaking Spanish to speaking French. It's not really till week one of the NFL season because. Because of who you are, you're Aaron Rodgers. You'll figure it out.
Jason McIntyre
You.
Unknown
You can speak enough to get by. But to me, I think I would circle that May 27 date as a date that like, it would really be detrimental to be starting the missing time at that point right now. Phase one, phase two. I think some guys that have played a long time and understandably so, you know, it's a little bit of take it or leave it.
Jason McIntyre
By the way, every time we talk to you, you're in a cool different place. That's a snazzy looking room. Is that a hotel somewhere?
Unknown
No, I'm actually in my parents house, so that's actually one of my dad's paintings, but this is my mom's. I guess my mom's upstairs, so I am everywhere. I feel like I'm always missing you though. You're on the road as well.
Jason McIntyre
Your dad was a painter, right?
Unknown
Yeah, he was an artist inspired by the sunsets in Colorado. He played in Colorado out in Boulder. So a lot of color, a lot of mountains, a lot of that stuff.
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Beautiful. Matt Hasselbeck, as always. Good seeing you, buddy.
Unknown
Awesome. Thanks, colin.
Jason McIntyre
You bet. May 27, mark it down for Aaron Rodgers to Pittsburgh. I don't know. You know, there is a possibility that he's. I saw a story this weekend where Aaron was wearing an engagement ring or a wedding ring or something. There's a story out there that he's. He's. It's serious.
Unknown
Is that what the young people are doing? Men are wearing engagement rings?
Jason McIntyre
Well, I don't. No, no, no, no, you're right, you're right. Right. He's wearing a ring.
Unknown
Okay.
Jason McIntyre
Now, I'm not saying no.
Unknown
Maybe it's a promise ring. I think guys do that, right? In high school.
Jason McIntyre
I don't know. I. He's wearing a ring.
Unknown
Aaron Rodgers.
Jason McIntyre
So I guess he would be married possibly. I I'm just. He's very private. Yeah. So nobody really knows. I think the name is Brianna. I think I saw a story yesterday.
Unknown
So you know how you can like go into your feed and put in words that you don't want to see. Aaron Rodgers is in my feet so I don't see any Aaron. I have no idea what he's doing. He could be in Egypt again. He could be on the River Nile right now. I would have no idea. I'm out on Aaron Rodgers. Done.
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I totally understand. Chris Finch T Wolves Coach Next hour, It's the herd.
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I heard a very interesting take this weekend on JJ Redick, the Lakers coach. I was listening to Nick Wright on his podcast and he said that JJ Redica do great player, but he wasn't great in March Madness. I don't recall that, but I looked it up and he never wanted he didn't win a title there, which is strange because his teams were good and in the playoffs. I did look up JJ Redick's playoff numbers and he was notably, noticeably less of a shooter in the playoffs. I could argue that's because you play better defenses. But the Knicks argument was he's wound really tight and and that hurt him coaching here where there's some rigidity. He's smart enough guy, we know that. But as a player at Duke, a player in The NBA coach of the Lakers. He gets really tight in big spots. I don't know if. But generally speaking, if you're tight at home with the kids and a disciplinarian, you probably are at work. So it carries over. I thought it was an interesting theory. I don't know it's right. I do think there is something to be said. I'll throw this at you. J. Mac. Is that a first year coach? The Lakers were very good and intentional in the first quarter. He's very good at constructing a game plan. This is what they are, this is what we are. But the great coaches Steve Kerr and Eric Spoelstra, Greg Popovich are great second half and third quarter coaches. Kerr is known throughout his career. I don't know what the numbers are, but the warriors have so often in big games been a great third quarter basketball team. They make adjustments and maybe it's asking a lot for a rookie coach Jason Kidd's first job to be not only a great practice coach, a great install coach, a great game plan coach. Oh, also you make great adjustments. There's like so many layers to being a great NBA coach. And maybe it's just too much to ask JJ as a rookie.
Unknown
Rookie can't ride with that. But I did look up the Reddick NCA tournament. So his senior year he was the national player of the year. Every award.
Jason McIntyre
Great.
Unknown
They lost and I remember this game, they lost to a big baby Davis, Tyrus Thomas. I don't know if you remember that LSU team and Reddick was 3 for 18 shooting.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
Unknown
It wasn't a good game for him. And they lost. I think I had Duke in my brackets in that tournament.
Jason McIntyre
Okay. Go to the NBA similarly.
Unknown
Well, but I don't understand how that translates to him as a coach.
Jason McIntyre
Well, no, if you said if. If your wife complained.
Unknown
She never does that.
Jason McIntyre
But let's say she did.
Unknown
She does.
Jason McIntyre
She has. You're impatient. Well, you. You wouldn't suddenly go to work and be the most patient guy. Like things carry over. The. The things Ann complains about are probably the things I do poorly at work.
Unknown
So wait, we didn't really get to debate this. Do you think Reddick was in the wrong playing his starters for the entire second half of a must win game?
Jason McIntyre
Yes.
Unknown
When the options on the bench were Gabe Vincent.
Colin Cowherd
No.
Jason McIntyre
Jared Vanderbilt. I understood his theory. Which is we don't play until Wednesday. But when one of your guys is notable for not being in great shape. Luca, who has been tired before in the playoffs and LeBron's 40 probably not the roster to do it now. Now, it'd be one thing if you actually used your bench. But he had decided early in the series, I'm not playing Jackson Hayes.
Unknown
Play seven, trust six. He played six and trusted five.
Jason McIntyre
He may have played five and trusted three. So the point was, you were getting nothing from Austin Reaves at that point. You were. LeBron wasn't getting younger. Luka wasn't. And J.J. redick knew this because he said at the minute the series was over, he knew Luka wasn't in great shape. And JJ had told you, I don't trust my bench. So to do that instead, if Chris Finch would have done that. And then Wednesday knowing, hey, it was just a moment, one of my guys was sick, another one, it was a bad matchup. But when you're. When you've already shown your hand, like, I just don't trust my bench, and you've got an old guy and a guy not in great shape, and Austin's not playing well, that is a coaching mistake.
Unknown
Well, but the counter is he did send Gabe Vincent to check in with a minute left in the third. We had a Lakers beat writer on Friday. Vincent went to the table. There was just no stoppage. So he didn't actually get in the game. So he tried to sub. And the counter is they were up two with 90 seconds left after an Austin reads three. They led that game by two. At the end, they just. They kind of folded their final 90 seconds.
Jason McIntyre
Again, it's so easy to do what we do and criticize it, but it never been done in the history of the sport, in the playoffs, that.
Unknown
That doesn't mean it's the wrong decision. Like, he's thinking outside the box.
Jason McIntyre
Brilliant. Then Red Arbach and Phil Jackson probably would have. Pat Riley probably would have done it.
Unknown
Before, I think, ask Finch about this. I'm going to deflect, because he's not.
Jason McIntyre
J.J. redick was known as being in impeccable shape before Steph was in the league. Nobody moved without the ball better than J.J. redick. Okay, so he's in great shape. So he may look at it and think, you're a pro athlete. I did it. J.J. was, like, in Steph shape, and so Luka's not in great shape, and you've decided, I'm not playing Jackson Hayes. So you'd already. You already had a limited team and you were kind of getting worked in the series because Minnesota had so many bodies.
Unknown
It was just. Again, those games were close. Games 3, 4, and 5 were all close games. With 4 minutes or less left. And the Lakers just didn't execute, which, you know, they threw the team together in February. Maybe we had too high of expectations.
Jason McIntyre
It's funny, those Clippers Nuggets games were close. You know who did execute it? Seems like Denver did a lot of executing late.
Unknown
Or the Paperclips folded as they are wanted.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, you can say, well, we played close.
Unknown
They were down 35 in game seven.
Jason McIntyre
In the third quarter.
Unknown
None of that from the Lakers in game three, four or five. No quit in them. Quit in the Clippers.
Jason McIntyre
No, that's quite, quite a consolation prize for the Lakers. Hey, the Yankees made the wild card. That doesn't. That's not good enough for the Yankees playing. You know, we all gave you. We had no quit in our. That works for the Magic. That doesn't work for the Lakers.
Unknown
I'm sorry, I understand that comment. I get it. Like that's not good enough. Championship or bust, okay? You're not gonna win a title every year. Ask the Chiefs. I had to get a dig at those guys.
Jason McIntyre
Sorry, J.J. mac with a news.
Unknown
No, no, no, no.
Russell Westbrook
Turn on the news.
Unknown
This is the hard line news.
Let's start with your new favorite team in professional sports, the Chicago Bears. Colin. Everybody's fired up. They got Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams in year two, Good draft, solid free agency. Well, guess what betters are doing. The public. They are all over the bets. Win total, Bears win total. Over eight and a half. Colin, 90 of the bets are on the over. Eight and a half wins now.
Jason McIntyre
Are you talking the. The wise guys or the fans?
Unknown
These are actual tickets, so probably a lot of fans. 69% of the dollars wagered are on the over. So a lot of fans and some sharps on the Bears.
Jason McIntyre
Okay, so, you know, this is my favorite topic we ever do.
Unknown
Yeah.
Jason McIntyre
In this time of the year is the future bets for fans out there, futures, the over under bets. They give you, you know, a win total and a half. You bet over under. So the Bears are eight and a half. I would take the over knowing. Knowing the under usually is the better side.
Unknown
Yeah, it's rare. You never want to tie up your money. I mean, you wouldn't. This wouldn't pay out until January of 26.
Jason McIntyre
Oh, I love you. Shouldn't either does fantasy football, right?
Unknown
Well, no, that. But that draft is until like September. Colin. If the quarterback goes down and misses four weeks, they ain't hitting the wind.
Jason McIntyre
Total over.
Unknown
That's why I don't love these. That being said, can we just Wait for the schedule to come out in like 10 days. I'm just telling you. Maybe it's less than that. Colin, this is going to be the toughest schedule in the NFL. Please don't tie up your money.
Jason McIntyre
How is a 4th place team gonna have the toughest schedule?
Unknown
Well, we have the opponents and when you.
Jason McIntyre
Look, you read them to me last week and they weren't that.
Unknown
You're gonna go like 1 and 8.
Jason McIntyre
Let's read them again. To be honest, now I gotta call them up. By the way, like, one of the teams he threw out there was San Francisco.
Unknown
They were terrible last year. That was last year. They're gonna be good this year. All right, here are the Bears.
Jason McIntyre
Home and road and pause after you say them.
Unknown
Okay. At home, we'll go with the division. Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota.
Jason McIntyre
Okay, that's fine. Next at home.
Unknown
They get. The Cowboys win. That's a win. They get The New York Giants win. Cleveland Browns.
Jason McIntyre
When's it get tough? Win.
Unknown
Well, we don't know.
Jason McIntyre
That's three wins. You're telling me. It's the toughest schedule the league gave me Time.
Unknown
Tomatoes softening you up. The Pittsburgh Steelers win.
Jason McIntyre
Wow.
Unknown
We don't even know if Rogers is the quarterback. And the New Orleans Saints.
Jason McIntyre
God, that's the toughest.
Unknown
I know. That's the home schedule.
Jason McIntyre
Well, yeah, but first of all, that's the easiest home schedule in the league.
Unknown
Well, except they're gonna probably lose two or three in the division, but okay. On the road, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota. That's lost, lost, lost.
Jason McIntyre
No, that's fine. If you split those, you beat them at home. Give me the tough ones now.
Unknown
Baltimore loss.
Jason McIntyre
Okay, that is a loss.
Unknown
Bengals loss.
Jason McIntyre
No, no. Timeout, timeout. Time out. The Bengals, they didn't make the play.
Unknown
We got it on the screen now. So what? The Bears didn't.
Jason McIntyre
Go look at what Chicago's done to their roster in the last year and go look at what the Bengals have.
Unknown
Done at the Eagles. That's a big.
Jason McIntyre
That's a loss.
Unknown
Jaden Daniels. That's a loss. Problem.
Jason McIntyre
Slow down. Hey, what time is the Niner game? Because if it's in November and there's an overcast sky, they throw W and.
Unknown
They got to go to Vegas to play the race. Raiders. Probably a loss. Raiders are improved.
Jason McIntyre
This is insane. You're telling me before you started this, I mean, you had this thing being the toughest schedule ever. Then you gave me like seven bad teams at Soldier.
Unknown
They play in the toughest division in sports. We would agree on that.
Jason McIntyre
No. AFC west is tough.
Unknown
Okay, Give me the under eight and a half. We will do like, hey, why don't we put something real on it, like your membership to a new rule on the show.
Jason McIntyre
If you ever say toughest NFL schedule and the Giants, Browns and Saints are on it, you have to take a day off. Listen, you got to rehab.
Unknown
Can I get Friday off?
Jason McIntyre
You don't get to pick the day.
Unknown
Listen, I get it. The Saints. That's a. That's a win. I'll give you the Saints.
Jason McIntyre
This has probably the giants and seven written all over.
Unknown
10 and seven.
Jason McIntyre
That is me being conservative.
Unknown
It's eight and a half win total. You're just like blowing through the.
Jason McIntyre
Wow.
Unknown
Okay. I mean, they're gonna. You better hope Caleb Williams is ready for that. New York Giants.
Jason McIntyre
There are people out there that are. Not that I. I like. And they keep telling me, Colin, he plays hero ball. He has gotta stop that stuff. He's good enough to make some of it work. And so I. I have people I trust, and they're like, listen, he is super talented. Greg Co sell will tell you that. But my people that I trust also say he's got to get out of this hero ball thing. You just can't run around with your receivers, don't know what you're doing.
Unknown
Ben Johnson had a quarterback in golf who would just simply drop back and execute. That ain't Caleb Williams. There's going to be a learning curve here. And if they start this schedule like at the Eagles in week two, you know, at Baltimore in week four, I'm telling you, it's going to be a tough season for your boy in Chicago. Go. Damn. Was that only the first story? Yeah, it was. Sorry or we went long there. All right, next up, let's go to the Chargers. They got Omari on Hampton. We like him out of unc. And Trey Harris, who's a pretty good receiver. Early in the draft, with the added firepower, Jim Harbaugh went on the Rich Eisen show and Colin. Ina don't love this quote, but here we go.
Jim Harbaugh
Woke up the other day and said, gotta get Justin Herbert to the hall of Fame.
Jason McIntyre
Oh, Musket.
Jim Harbaugh
Justin Herbert to the hall of Fame. You woke up and said that?
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, yeah.
Jim Harbaugh
It's just one of those things where you wake up and kind of like 3, 3, 4 in the morning. Right. And sometimes that's when your best ideas come.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I know.
Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, you've kind of processed that. And that that would mean winning a couple Super Bowls and. And there'd be a lot of. There'd be a lot of people would benefit, you know, from that. So that's. That's a worthy goal.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, well, I think it's a great goal. It's really hard to get to the Super Bowl.
Unknown
You know, he said hall of Fame. He just went past playoffs and Super Bowl. We got to get Justin Herbert. Hall of Fame.
Jason McIntyre
It's nice to have a coach and a mentor that thinks aspirationally. I like that.
Unknown
I like hall of Fame. Can Justin Herbert win a playoff game before getting his bus ready for Canton? Well, I like Herbert more than anybody.
Jason McIntyre
No, we both love him.
Unknown
Can he win a playoff game before we mention hall of Fame? That's just all I ask. It's not a big ask. Is that fair?
Jason McIntyre
Sure.
Colin Cowherd
All right.
Unknown
Final story calls to the NBA. Listen, Giannis, okay, we've got our staff. I have him on Giannis alert right now. It's basically. I think he's a goner. He's going to be gone somewhere. The Bucks say they will not be trading him unless he asks out. They have now lost in the first round three straight years. I think Giannis is like 1 in 9 in his last 10 playoff games. Something crazy. Well, of course. He went on Instagram and posted, look at this picture. Now, it's probably like, oh, that's nothing big, but if you look at the top, there's a song. This is apparently a Greek song, and they translated the lyrics because they're nervous in Milwaukee. The lyrics say, am I selfish? Sometimes I don't think about how you will feel. I chase the record. That's how the sport has me. I won a championship, one for every year of my presence. Does that sound like a guy?
Jason McIntyre
That's a popular song in Greece, I guess.
Unknown
Does that sound like a guy who wants to stay in Milwaukee?
Jason McIntyre
Those are weird lyrics for a popular song. Greece, this is his.
Unknown
He's laying the groundwork. He's over in Milwaukee. The question is, where does Giannis go? Houston's in play. I think Boston's going to be in play.
Jason McIntyre
Is ABBA from Greece? I think that that's, I think, like.
Unknown
Norway or Sweden or something. But by the way, I'm fascinated by this because Giannis is still in his prime.
Jason McIntyre
He had an unbelievable season that would.
Unknown
Have been MVP in, like, 80% of the years.
Jason McIntyre
When you and I suggested two years ago, like, guys, it's over. You're too old. You're not a championship team. We were ridiculed. The problem is you're doing this late now.
Unknown
The.
Jason McIntyre
The good news is he had a great series. So the suitors are going to line up. Houston's going to make it happen. They can give you Sengun, Jabari Smith and a bunch of picks.
Unknown
Is that enough?
Jason McIntyre
No, I mean, you probably got to give three to four players.
Unknown
I'll tell you right now. Amen. Thompson. I ain't training.
Jason McIntyre
No, no, I'm not touching him. You can't. I. I'll drive Jalen Green there.
Unknown
Well, it's hard. That's pretty critical.
Jason McIntyre
And then Thompson is.
Unknown
That guy's a big time.
Jason McIntyre
When that guy can shoot a three, it's over.
Unknown
Yeah, get him a shot, Doctor. Come out to la. I got a couple shooters I work with because I'm trying to work on my game. Amen. Come on down. We'll get in the lab. Well, he's an old NBA player.
Jason McIntyre
You can't touch him. They wouldn't want to move Shangoon, but I'm not making the deal without it.
Unknown
I would trade. Yeah, he was being guarded by pods last night and not scoring.
Jason McIntyre
He's a good player.
Unknown
Player, good player. He's an all star.
Jason McIntyre
But if I. If you could get a couple of their young players, I mean, Jalen Green, they give up in a second. Yeah, you can see Udoka gets very frustrated with him. Like a body.
Unknown
I don't ever get that look from you, though.
Jason McIntyre
You're on the show. Used to. You were too busy reading scripts, head down on the paper. And I, believe me, there was a lot of eye rolling over here.
Unknown
This guy. Oh, boy.
Jason McIntyre
J Mac with the news.
Unknown
Well, that's the news.
Jason McIntyre
And thanks for stopping by.
Unknown
The Herd lie news.
Jason McIntyre
There is all sorts of stuff here, man. We got stuff going on here.
Unknown
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Russell Westbrook
I think a lot. You know, as much as people may not think I'm very smart and I understand the game, I understand what's going on. So I am thinking, you know, my ability to be able to, to be a force of nature on the floor is what I pride myself on. So whatever that looks like, it may be a Turnover. It may be a missed shot, but it may be a steal, maybe a dunk, maybe a mystery, maybe it made three. It's gonna be all of that. It's gonna be everything.
Jason McIntyre
And it is. But there is something to be said in a seven game playoff series. And frankly, during the regular season, it's a long season, there are very few players. Amen Thompson has this. That are just play hard every minute they're on the floor. Amen Thompson of Houston has this. It's Draymond Green has this. Westbrook has it. Russell just plays hard. And a lot of times in these playoff series, I mean, a lot of these older teams struggled. And there's, there's some guys for Denver that have been around this league a while, one of them being Russell. He played with so much energy, you know, and I mean, Denver needed everybody. Denver should not have won the series. They got the interim coach against Tyloo. I, maybe I'm wrong on this. I think the Clippers 1 through 12 have more good players. I mean, Kawhi Leonard on any night was the first or second best player on the floor. When Harden's hitting, he's the second or third best player. And yet Denver did it. And you got to give Westbrook credit. It's not all about points like that. Draymond Green and Amen Thompson are great examples. Those guys, it's not just filling up the box score. There is something about being an irritant and his leverage and his tenacity. And he's just kind of a relentless athlete. And it's like if you're guarding Westbrook, it's, you're in for a night because he's going to go. He, he is shifting into fourth gear. He is 0 to 60, minute one of the game. And I just, you know, I've been critical of him before, but we got to be fair in this business, the fact that he now just sort of owns who he is. And by the way, reportedly, this was the problem in Denver. The coach was like, I want Westbrook on the floor. The guy's instant energy. And the GMs like, well, I want to play the draft picks. And Malone's like, forget the draft picks. Look what he does. Well, Malone may not be the coach, but he was right. He is just, he's just an important dude. And again, there are these guys that have been around. Draymond Green's one of these game sevens. They are just different than anything else in the league. They're just, I mean, not a shock that like a Westbrook and a Jokic win a Game 7, or a Kerr and a Curry and a Draymond win a Game seven. Here's Draymond on that Game seven win and how it's different.
Russell Westbrook
I pouted way too much last game. I spent the last two days embarrassed just at what I gave to the game, what I gave to the world. I was embarrassed. And so I've been dying since the last game ended to get out on the floor and prove who I am. You know one thing about this league? You're never done proving who you are until you're done completely finished.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. So Draymond Green.
Colin Cowherd
Self awareness.
Jason McIntyre
I was embarrassed. I've got to do better. Russell Westbrook. Hey, man, I. I'm different. And I think it. You know, it sounds like he lacks humility, but he is a force of nature. That's what Russell is. And again, this young kid for the Houston Rockets, this Amend Thompson, when that dude learns to hit a three, watch out. The league's in trouble because there are guys in this sport that just nobody wants to have to guard or be guarded by. And Westbrook is. Is. I wouldn't have guessed this. He's aging really well. I didn't think. I thought, like, he would just kind of fizzle out and wear people out. Maybe it's Denver, maybe it's the fit. I don't know what it is, but Westbrook works in Denver. This thing works, and it's fun to watch, and it's funny to listen to it. J. Mac, if you could be a spark plug like that, every team in this Manhattan beach would be trying to acquire.
Unknown
Can we just listen? Westbrook is a fun story. Can we just pump the brakes? Maybe it was a good series. Did you see the stat that the Clippers were giving him? 9ft on the three pointers? They were backing off. Hey, we'll give you any shot you want. We're going to pack the lane.
Jason McIntyre
How'd that work out?
Unknown
He made a couple shots. You think that's going to continue against.
Jason McIntyre
He didn't make a couple shots. He.
Unknown
He had a 41 for 3, which is out.
Jason McIntyre
Well, his stroke looks a little different. He doesn't look as tight. I mean, again, I'm not a shooting coach, but he looked very loose shooting those threes. Very comfortable from the corner.
Unknown
It is pretty easy when you got Jokic and Murray.
Jason McIntyre
Oh, boy.
Unknown
And you're getting wide open looks.
Jason McIntyre
I don't think I could have.
Unknown
I could have shot 33% on threes.
Jason McIntyre
I don't think playoff games anything's easy. You got to give Westbrook credit. He had a really good series.
Unknown
He did.
Jason McIntyre
He had a great series and he's rebounding. He gave. Listen, man, the dude's got a little Swiss army now. He's giving you a lot of stuff.
Unknown
Thunder and five.
Jason McIntyre
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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2: Where Colin Was Right and Wrong
Release Date: May 5, 2025
Introduction
In this engaging second hour of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd," host Colin Cowherd, alongside co-host Jason McIntyre and guest Matt Hasselbeck, delves deep into the recent sports events, dissecting Colin's previous predictions to determine where he hit the mark and where he missed. The discussion spans across the NBA playoffs, NFL college football dynamics, MLB performances, and insightful analyses on coaching decisions and player legacies.
1. NBA Playoffs: Predictions and Performances
Timestamp: 03:06 - 00:07
The conversation kicks off with an analysis of the Golden State Warriors' matchup against the Minnesota Timberwolves. Jason McIntyre expresses confidence in Golden State’s ability to limit Minnesota's half-court offense, attributing their success to players like Draymond Green and Steph Curry.
However, as the series progresses, McIntyre acknowledges that his initial predictions were not entirely accurate.
Colin's Accuracy:
Right: McIntyre agrees with Colin's foresight on James Harden's unpredictability in the playoffs, emphasizing the challenges of building around superstars whose performances can be inconsistent.
Wrong: Colin's prediction that the Denver Nuggets would falter against the Clippers did not hold as the Nuggets' adjustments led them to victory.
Notable Quote:
2. NFL College Football: Texas in the SEC
Timestamp: 07:27 - 08:14
The discussion shifts to college football, focusing on Texas's substantial investment in its football roster within the SEC. Matt Hasselbeck provides expert insights into how Texas's financial muscle is set to dominate the conference.
Colin's Prediction:
3. MLB Spotlight: Paul Goldschmidt's Underrated Excellence
Timestamp: 07:28 - 08:51
The conversation transitions to Major League Baseball, where Paul Goldschmidt of the Yankees is lauded as one of the most underrated players over the past 15 years.
Colin affirms McIntyre's perspective, emphasizing Goldschmidt's consistent performance despite limited recognition.
4. Coaching Decisions: JJ Redick and the Lakers
Timestamp: 25:30 - 31:08
A critical analysis unfolds regarding JJ Redick's stint as the Lakers' coach. Jason McIntyre critiques Redick's inexperience and questionable in-game decisions during crucial playoff moments.
Conversely, there’s acknowledgment of Redick’s past as a standout player, juxtaposing his player legacy with his coaching challenges.
Notable Quote:
5. Player Legacies: Lawrence Taylor
Timestamp: 13:00 - 16:21
The hosts reminisce about Lawrence Taylor's indelible impact on the NFL, sharing personal anecdotes that highlight his unparalleled talent and leadership on the field.
Notable Quote:
6. Evolution of Russell Westbrook
Timestamp: 45:07 - 51:43
Russell Westbrook's transformation is a focal point as McIntyre praises his adaptability and renewed vigor playing for the Denver Nuggets. The discussion highlights how Westbrook has evolved from being a one-speed runner to a versatile player contributing defensively and offensively.
Jason McIntyre: "Westbrook is a force of nature... he is shifting into fourth gear." (46:59)
Russell Westbrook: "I am a force of nature... whatever that looks like, it's gonna be everything." (46:31)
Notable Quote:
7. Giannis Antetokounmpo’s Future and Potential Trade
Timestamp: 38:55 - 40:13
Giannis Antetokounmpo's potential trade is dissected, with discussions on his performance, team dynamics, and the Bucks' reluctance to part with him unless initiated by Giannis himself.
Notable Quote:
8. Betting Insights: Chicago Bears’ Schedule
Timestamp: 32:11 - 35:54
The hosts venture into sports betting, evaluating the Chicago Bears' upcoming schedule with an over/under win total of eight and a half. They debate the viability of taking the over versus the under, considering the team's roster changes and projected challenges.
Notable Quote:
9. Additional Highlights and Discussions
Paul Goldschmidt: Recognized for his outstanding yet underappreciated performance with the Yankees.
Matt Hasselbeck’s Insights: Offers perspectives on quarterback contracts in the NFL, highlighting the imbalance between quarterback salaries and other positions.
Player Development: Emphasis on letting players solve their own problems to foster growth, drawing parallels to Lawrence Taylor's influence.
JJ Redick’s Playoff Performance: Critique of Redick's lackluster performance in high-stakes games, contrasting it with his collegiate success.
Conclusion
Hour 2 of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" provides a comprehensive and critical examination of Colin’s sports analyses, celebrating his accurate predictions while constructively addressing his missteps. The hosts' candid discussions offer listeners valuable insights into team strategies, player performances, and the intricate dynamics of professional sports. Whether revisiting legends like Lawrence Taylor or evaluating the modern gameplay of Russell Westbrook and Giannis Antetokounmpo, this episode ensures a thought-provoking journey through the evolving landscape of sports.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps
These quotes encapsulate the essence of the discussions, highlighting the critical evaluations and affirmations of Colin's analyses.