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Apple Card by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch Member FDIC terms and more@applecard.com thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. First hour flew by. That's what Happens when you get in arguments. When my wife's mad at me, the time just flies by, which is often live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So a lot of stuff happened in the NFL. It's official like Wednesday, the free agency but you're going to hear stuff drop. And as I said earlier, this is really the week in which you can grade front offices. A lot of people making moves that feel like desperation and heaves and Hail Marys. And then you get the Devonte Adams move to the Rams, which feels smart to me because I trust the Rams culture. And Devonte's probably got two really good years left. That's exactly how many Matt Stafford has. So we do it every Monday at this time. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong. Plenty of both. And here we go. Where Colin was right. Well, Sam Darnold's not despite the rumors and reports going to be a Minnesota Viking. As we predicted, he has a market. Seattle's the leader in clubhouse. Pittsburgh also interested. Sam's only 28 years old and has not had a lot of injuries and he's coming off a massive season. He can move, he's got a big arm, he's a playmaker. I think of all the quarterbacks on the market he's the best version. And there were reports for three weeks the Vikings were interested. I didn't think that make any sense. I thought they were trying to do him a solid within the organization to show everybody hey Sam's great. We're considering re signing him and I think in the end it never made a lot of sense where Colin was raw. Apparently Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers are talking. This doesn't work for me as a fit at all. First of all, Aaron's a California cool guy and the Steelers culture is defense. It's super conservative. They can't get their offensive line right. I don't like that for Aaron. I mean I'm sure he respects Mike Tomlin. I get that. But this is not how like if Aaron went to the Vikings and followed, you know, the farve trajectory, like that would make sense. Good left tackle, great receiver, good offensive coach, stability in the organization. I don't get Pittsburgh at all. I, I, I, I read this and I think it's that's a miss to me where Colin was right. Steph Curry now 11 and 1 when Jimmy Butler I'm going to give myself another right. I had said a month before the move just sign him anytime Steph's had a legitimate one or a two around him. The team is a Western Conference finals or at least competitive for it. Steph now is shooting 42% on threes since Jimmy Butler arrived. And to me it feels like Jimmy Butler has been a B12 shot in the hip for Steph Curry. Not like he just learned how to play. But when you're on a treadmill to a play in game for a superstar that's 37 years old. Nah, that's not it. This move is perfect, top to bottom. Where Colin was wrong, I don't think this is a bad move at all. But Geno Smith getting another big contract in the NFL surprised me. He was 21st last couple of years in QBR, which isn't the be all end all. He, you know, he throws a lot of picks and Pete Carroll doesn't like those. But where I will say it makes sense. He's an adult, he's accurate, he gets a lot of yards and the Raiders have no stability at coach and quarterback. So Pete Carroll and Geno Smith, you know, it suddenly feels sort of like Seattle. You get your way into the playoffs, tough division maybe. But I, it caught me off guard that Geno may get another three or four year big money deal where Colin was right. Pay your great players early. The Bills signed Josh Allen, but they've moved off Von Miller. I never got the Von Miller deal. In fact, since he arrived, their defense actually got worse. Three straight seasons he was injured a lot. I thought the Rams moved off him at the perfect time. He became sort of a pass rush specialist which for what they were paying him doesn't make a lot of sense. I, I just, my people around the league didn't think it was a good move. I didn't. And I mean they got some sacks out of it and he's a big play guy but for the money and the injuries, it never made sense. Where Colin was wrong. I thought when the Mavericks made the Luka AD deal I said, you know what, you can bang on the Mavericks, but short term they'll probably be better. I like the roster. Yeah, but I'm wrong since the entire roster is hurt. P.J. washington, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, Daniel Gafford, Derek Lively. They are now lost five straight. They're a mess. Everything's bad. The karma, the injuries watched them a little this weekend. Yeah, I, I, I thought for a year to two years you would kind of look and go, did Dallas get the better part of this deal? No, not at all. Where Colin was right, I've said, when you get a gift in life, accept it. And I've been critical of the WNBA because they got Caitlin Clark there, Steph Curry, and they're fighting it. They did it again this weekend where apparently top players want to go on strike. Angel Reese, we should go on strike. The league's never made a profit. It's been subsidized by the NBA. This has been my knock on the wnba. It's a league that was growing and then Caitlin Clark was that once in a generation, jet fuel, like a Michael Jordan, a Steph Curry, a LeBron. You just don't get those. When you get a gift like Tiger woods to the PGA Tour, you put your arm around it, you put them on tv. You understand that it's generational, a complete outlier. And what is the WNBA done? Complain about it. Strike. You go on strike when you have massive leverage. The league doesn't turn a profit. It's paid for by the NBA. This league just can't commissioner down, can't get it right. Can't get it right. And it's too bad because the quality of play today in the WNBA, much better than eight to 10 years ago. Much better. With that, Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the NFL, 10 of those with the Seahawks, joins us. You know, I said, Matt, that not all acquisitions are the same. Like star receiver, do you fit? What's the quarterback like? I think Devonte Adams on the Matt Stafford timeline for a really smart offensive organization and kind of a one year deal works. You may disagree with DK Metcalf. Five year deal to an organization that doesn't have a quarterback, can't get the O line right, is kind of tone deaf offensively. That feels like a little bit of a Hail Mary to me. Like, okay, we'll solve our offensive problems. Here's another receiver that wants the ball. Do you like DK Metcalf for the Steelers?
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Matt Hasselbeck
I kind of do, Colin, because I do think that it solves some of their problems in a roundabout way. You know, a lot of times in free agency or the draft, like beauty's in the, in the eye of the beholder. And Mike Tomlin sees something in DK DK Metcalf that he's like, that's what I need. That fits exactly the kind of guy I need. The competitor, the physicality, like all that kind of stuff. And they've missed on the quarterback. They haven't had high level quarterback play in a while and they've had a, you know, a struggle with running the football. I think that they believe that this will help them get rid of those problems. They will all of a sudden be very, very attractive to a quarterback who wants to come play there. And if you have the weapons that they have on the outside, plus the tight end, I think they're going to do a much better job of having the light box to run the ball. So very similar to what Arthur Smith had when he had A.J. brown back when he was the offensive coordinator in Tennessee. They had him and it sort of opened things up for Derrick Henry in the run game just a more than it otherwise would have.
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Colin Cowherd
I thought time had played out Geno in Seattle, but I like it for the Raiders because they just need stability and a grown up and an adult. What did you make of Geno following Pete Carroll to the Raiders?
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Matt Hasselbeck
I was a little surprised that Seattle and Gino couldn't figure something out. You know, I think, I think they probably offered him something like Stafford money, old Stafford money. And he wanted something maybe more like Dak money. And like that's just like the, you know, when it gets in these negotiating, sometimes feelings get hurt. And I think feelings got hurt maybe even last year when guys like Jordan Love were to get new deals and Tua and Trevor Lawrence and like, hey, when's my deal? When's my deal? But the Seahawks don't do deals with guys until they're in that last year the of the contract. And so then on the side here you got his, his guy, Pete Carroll coming to Las Vegas with a smile on his face, loving him up. You're the man. You're the man. I'll give you that same contract. And then after, after a little bit, I think he's probably as the player, it kind of gets in this mode, like, well, why don't I go somewhere that loves me even if the money's maybe not even the same or if it is the same.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Hasselbeck
And for that reason, I think you've seen a lot of change in Seattle.
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Colin Cowherd
So where are the Seahawks at? The now Seahawk fans may be freaking out. I think they looked around the room and thought, we just don't feel like Gino can get us to the next level. Seattle's got a much better culture roster right now, in my opinion, than the Raiders. What are the Seahawks doing right now? Where are they at?
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Matt Hasselbeck
I think they like everybody at a price. But listen, I just think this is Mike McDonald's team. You know, they got rid of Ryan Grubb, they got rid of dk, Gino Smith. Tyler Lockett moves on. He's A cap casualty, which probably pained them. I know they love Tyler Lockett, but they're going from sort of like this pass. Happy we can throw it. Throw the ball vertical down the field to a Mike McDonald. Feels like a Harbaugh. Harbaugh type thing. We're going to have the top 10 defense. We're going to figure it out on offense in terms of like, run. And if. Think if you look at the trends around the league and Mike McDonald, he's, you know, people think of him as this, like, young defensive version of a Sean McVay. He's looking at the trends. The best teams are the teams that can run the football, and that's sort of the identity. Great defense, run the football. That's his vision for the program. Not necessarily four wides all the time. And, you know, how vertical can we be in the passing game? And I think you've seen a switch in that in terms of what they're doing in free agency, who they hired as their offensive coordinator. And I think it's kind of exciting to see what's next.
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Colin Cowherd
So the Niners. A story came out that the Niners, it leaked out, are going to be much more hard line on contracts, much more like the Rams. And I agree. I think they've been too permissive. You know, the saying I always use is ice cream for breakfast, dad. Like, okay, whatever, we'll give you the money. And I think the Rams have been better run that way. I think they have more leverage with Brock Purdy than anybody's acknowledging. What do you make of the Purdy Niner negotiations?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, I agree with you 100% in breakfast for dinner is a bad idea. Sorry, sorry. Dessert for breakfast is a bad idea, but breakfast for dinner is a great idea in my opinion. Yeah, yeah. Listen, I think Brock Purdy in the Niners will get something worked out. There's a lot of reasons why I feel that way. First of all, I think he's a great player. I don't think he gets a lot of credit that he deserves. But he's also a guy that's never been paid. And when you've never been paid, like, I think he's made like two point something in his career. By contrast, Kenny Pickett's like 11 point something in his career. So, like, you have a guy that has never really been paid, quote, unquote, as a quarterback, he's more likely to do a deal that's. I don't want to say hometown discount, but like, hey, let's just get a deal. I don't have as much leverage, but this is their guy. Like this is the Niners guy. The Niners believe in him, but they also know that if he were to sort of test the market, they like him more than other people like him. And so like, so that's why like you hear these other names out there, like, I really just think that they'll figure it out and it'll just be a deal that sort of. I think maybe you would say win, win, but you all also might come out of it feeling like, well, Brock Purdy probably could have squeezed them for a little bit more, but he didn't. And ultimately I think you've seen over the, you know, guys like Tom Brady in their career, it actually works out better for the team that way. When the money spread out just a little bit more.
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Colin Cowherd
Go to your last couple years in the league. I don't like Aaron to the Steelers, although DK Metcalf in your opinion, probably makes it better. I think he could work in Seatt if the number's right. I could think San Francisco at Brock Purdy said, I want 48 million I get. I would have no problem. Go with Aaron Rodgers. Where do you, what do you think his mind is Older quarterback got his money, got his trophy. Where's Aaron at right now?
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Matt Hasselbeck
I would think he'd want to be on a great team, you know, and you want to be on a team that's relevant at the end, that has weapons that can protect me, but that also has weapons and a coaching staff that I like, that I trust and I'm almost intrigued to go play with them. I'm excited to go to work. You know, I think that the. I would, I would expect Sam Darnold in Seattle, but I think with Aaron, I would not discount the relationship and the history that GM John Schneider has with Aaron Rodgers. You know, back in the day in Green Bay. John Schneider and Aaron Rodgers, that would make sense. But. But after they make a strong run at someone like Sam Darnold, Pittsburgh, you know, I think sometimes later in a quarterback's career when they maybe have humbled themselves a little bit, they say, okay, you know what? I can go to that point guard role. I can be. I think what he was supposed to be in New York with the jets, maybe that could work this time around with Mike Tomlin, with Arthur Smith, with these incredible wide receivers that they now have a great tight end and like maybe it's a run first offense and Aaron brings his intangibles and his leadership and his experience to the party that's an interesting one, but I think that's also one that would, would be a plan B, I would think.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, finally, I want to talk Chicago Bears for a second. So last year the entire talk was, oh, w, receiver, wide receiver. This year they get a new coach from Detroit which not so coincidentally has a great O line. They go get guard, center, guard. They went and just got the guard from the Atlanta Falcons. And my take is this is what a couple years ago Andy Reid did Tuney from the Patriots. This is what Sean McVeigh did, Dotson from the Steelers. I actually love, except for Ryan Poles. Basically the new coaches saying, yeah, you missed on all your interior lineman picks. I love what the Bears are doing, but I don't think it makes headlines. What say you?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, well, the number one thing I think in Chicago is that Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson are aligned. Philosophically, that's. That's number one. And I think philosophically you're seeing Ben Johnson come in with that Detroit Lions playbook and, you know, like, basically we're going to build it inside out. We're going to set the foundation up front. And I've said many times, like, if you have pass protection as a quarterback, you can take good quarterbacks and make them look great if you just have pass protection and then the opposite is true. And so, like, I just, I really think they have to figure out the sack situation in Chicago. I was pretty blunt with you all year. I thought a lot of those sacks didn't fall on the offensive line. But those things snowball. And so I think they hit the reset button and they're going to go with veterans up front who are going to do their job and then they're going to probably coach the quarterback hard. And I think that's sort of like the vision and the game plan, but all you got to look to is the in the division. Look at Detroit, how they built it, how they did it. That's what I think you're seeing out of Chicago right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Matt Hassel back on a Monday. Great seeing you, but as always, thanks, Colin. See you. You bet. Yeah. Little update on stuff. So he and I agree. J. Mac on Brock Purdy. There is a reason stories get out. People see a stories out. What? Why? Why did it get out? It has been leaked to the media in the Bay Area. We are taking a harder line on contracts. Translation, we're talking to Sam Darnold and Aaron Rodgers. You're not getting 50 million. Brock, you're not getting it. Nor should he. Nor should he. So they're taking a hard line on Brock Purdy. This is the difference between the Rams and the Niners. The Rams went to Stafford. It's like, here's the number winning culture. Go ahead, go to the Giants. And Stafford's like, I love Los Angeles. And the Niners are like, they're not going to cave to Brock Purdy.
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Jason McIntyre
Let's spin this forward. Let's just say hypothetically Darnold or Rodgers takes Purdy spot because he got too greedy. What's the market then for Brock Purdy? Colin around the league?
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Colin Cowherd
Not much.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't think he's going to Seattle. Pittsburgh?
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Colin Cowherd
Not at 45 million. I don't think that. I think it's incredibly small.
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Jason McIntyre
Jets. Hey, you throw to Garrett Wilson.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh. I mean you had this guy as the next Josh Allen.
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Jason McIntyre
He was awesome. When he was healthy and the team was healthy, he was excellent. That's undeniable.
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Colin Cowherd
But yeah, put me in a Maserati. I look pretty cool too.
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Jason McIntyre
Here we go.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't. I can't afford one. By the way, the Steelers just lost their left tackle.
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Jason McIntyre
I saw that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Left tackle. Starting left tackle, Dan Moore. See, you don't have a quarterback now. Don't have a left tackle. And their old line's not good to begin with. Why? Because they signed DK Metcalf 5 year deal.
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Jason McIntyre
I think that Kinlaw, if you look at on the screen, I think that Kinlaw deals a massive overpay by Washington. He was on the jets last year. I watched him closely. He's underperformed his first round pick. But they needed a defensive tackle.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
They couldn't stop the rush.
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Colin Cowherd
I'll just tell you this. I'm going to give you a little credit. This is not, not like a, a long segment. Keep your eye on Tennessee. If they get Cam Ward, that's a good get for Tennessee. Dan Moore is a starting left tackle. Steelers don't have one, by the way.
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Jason McIntyre
I know we don't like to deal in tinfoil hat stuff, but you're. You follow Daniel Jeremiah on social media.
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Colin Cowherd
He's excellent.
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Jason McIntyre
He's excellent. He put out this big tease yesterday. The, the Carolina Panthers are going to be interesting today. That's the team to watch. I don't know who the player is. Some people think maybe there's a Hail Mary for Micah Parsons, some trade. They. I, I don't know. But Carolina Panthers are a team to monitor right now in free agency. They got money. My buddy was at the Clippers game last night with Bryce Young.
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Colin Cowherd
We're gonna Bring Bryce Young on the show.
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Jason McIntyre
He's coming on. Excellent.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, well, I got to get my Dave, the guest booker. We got to get him on it because Bryce a nice kid.
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Jason McIntyre
Very nice. I've heard good things.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, really good kid. All right. We got stuff here. This show is. I told you when the show started. It's one of my favorite weeks of the year. This is one of my favorite weeks of the year. Hey there, Steelers got another receiver who wants the ball, but, you know, left tackle just walked out the door and not very good. So Tennessee is like, hey, that tells me we're drafting Cam Ward. We're getting a left tackle to make sure Cam's okay. I think. I think you and I, are you like Tennessee to be the shock team in the league? I don't think you're wrong on this. I like New England, but I'm starting to buy into your Tennessee stuff.
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Jason McIntyre
Who was the receiver? I think I saw Houston grabbed a receiver because Tank Dell just had another surgery. He can't stay healthy. Yeah, Diggs. It doesn't sound like he's coming back there. I know they have Collins, who's a stud, but Houston, they. They really were not as good.
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Colin Cowherd
Christian Kirk.
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Jason McIntyre
Christian Kirk is the guy.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he's quiet. You know what? He's a number two, but he's quiet. Can return kicks.
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Jason McIntyre
He might be a three. I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
He may be maybe a three, but he's a good three. He's a. He's a grown up. He just goes out, performs underwhelmed everywhere he's been, but he was pretty good in Jacksonville for like eight minutes. Oh, boy. Somebody's out here. Glass half full. Yeah, you are one more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. With amex, there's always a new experience to explore. From curating the perfect vacation and chilling in the Centurion lounge before you get there, trying out that new trendy restaurant thanks to priority notify with global dining access by resy and getting straight to the action at the big game with card member entrances at select venues with amex Platinum, you can experience it all. That's the powerful backing of American Express. Terms apply. Access to the card member entrance not limited to the American Express Platinum card. Learn more@American Express.com with Amex. 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Also Kevin Stefanski won 11 games twice for this organization. So you got the, you got the head coach, right? And the great pass rusher, right? Those are two of the four boxes I care about. You're just bad at quarterback. If you could get that right in the draft, you're on your way. I mean, they were number three in total defense the last four years, spearheaded by Miles Garrett. They won 11 games two years ago, and their quarterbacks were P.J. walker, Joe Flacco, Dorian Thompson, Robinson and Deshaun Watson. And they won 11 games in that division. You got the coach, right, the numbers tell you. You got the defense and the edge rusher, right? There are three positions in this sport. I'm just going to pay whatever it is. If you have the best guy in the league, quarterback, left tackle, pass rusher, whatever the market. Bears. I'm going to pay it. And I had no problem with Myles Garrett saying, get me out of here. And sometimes money talks, you know, I mean, these guys buy homes or kids are in school, they have a life in the city. Most don't want to move. I mean, Nick Bolton doesn't want to move. He wants to be with the Chiefs. Chris Godwin didn't want to move. He wants to be with the Bucks. Stafford didn't want to move. It's LA. It's 72 degrees every day. So most of these guys don't want to leave. Most Americans don't want to leave. So I, I'm going to defend Cleveland on this. If, let's say they take either. Get Cam Warder, Shador Sanders, and they're good starters, which, by the way, they need because of that ridiculous desean Watson deal. They need a rookie quarterback on a rookie deal for four years, just like Denver. Denver was in cap hell. They hit on Bo Nix. You still got cap issues, but it helps a lot. So you got the coach. I'll pay whatever it takes for three positions. That's one of them. I rarely defend the Cleveland Browns, but in this spot, I'll pay for it. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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Jason McIntyre
Why don't we stay in that division and go with the. The Bengals? Colin, The Cincinnati Bengals still in negotiations. With Jamar Chase on a long term deal. A couple of weeks ago, their director of player personnel, Duke Tobin, told the media that Chase will end up being the number one highest paid non quarterback in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Jason McIntyre
He said that a couple weeks ago. Well, now that Miles Garrett has become that overtaking Max Crosby, the price keeps going up. Colin, the Bengals continue to butcher this so badly.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I really like Jamar Chase a lot. You're getting into a spot where again, I will defend quarterback, left tackle and pass rusher. Because they're not really different players. In a snowstorm like, like, I mean, Matt Stafford in the snow in Philly was really, really good. Miles Garrett in the snow, going to be good. Wide receivers worry me in the snow, can't get their traction. You're not going to throw the ball downfield when it's windy. You know, I think Jamar Chase is great. I also think they're going to be top of the market at quarterback and two receivers, which is, it's tough. Now, one of them is a franchise tag. But I mean, listen, the smart organizations get the superstars signed really early. And the cheap ones wait and wait and wait and wait, and it almost always costs them, which brings a lot.
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Jason McIntyre
Of people to mention Miles. Not Miles Garrett, but Micah Parsons.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Jason McIntyre
The Cowboys are dragging their feet. You want to keep the guy, just pay him. What are you waiting for? I. I don't know, Colin. It's some of these teams, I mean, unbelievable. Next story, let's go to another wide receiver. The Seahawks traded for DK Metcalfe. It's under that five year, 150 million dollar extension. Well, of course, Pittsburgh legend Ben Roethlisberger has chimed in and he's very excited about DK Metcalf.
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Colin Cowherd
Coach T. Are you kidding me? DK Metcalf on one side, GP on the other.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Move work in the middle.
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Colin Cowherd
And I might need to throw my hat in the ring, man. You lost your left tackle, so. And you don't have a quarterback. Actually, him throwing his hat in the ring wouldn't be a terrible idea.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I, I would, I would place a little wager on Pickens not being on the team. I think he's gonna probably get traded.
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Colin Cowherd
That's my guess.
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Jason McIntyre
These headaches, you just, you got to.
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Colin Cowherd
Move off of them. Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And picking again has been a bit of a headache at times. Not like Pickens.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, yeah, I mean, decaf. Since he came into the league, I think he's the most penalized wide receiver.
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Jason McIntyre
I think I saw a stat similar to that also Regarding the Steelers, Justin Fields apparently will not sign with Pittsburgh unless they commit to him as the number one quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't blame him. I would want to be the number one quarterback, too.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't blame, probably like, come on over, you could be our number one. He's like, yo, you guys, don't you.
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Colin Cowherd
Think a lot of this quarterback talk, Darnold Aaron, Justin Fields, don't you think a lot of it's just making it public? Why is it all leaking? Because they want those quarterbacks and their agents to see this. The Brock Purdy thing, The Niners want that out there. We're not paying you 50. And I agree with the Niners. So all this, the stuff gets out when somebody wants it out. All this quarterback stuff, what a shocker today. It's all getting out.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, the weird part is Russell Wilson is great at throwing that deep ball down the sideline to Pickett. So they got Metcalf, who does the same thing, but they're moving on from Russell Wilson. I don't, I don't get it, Colin. This. Something's going on with the Steelers. It doesn't look good. Final story is, oh yeah, Kirk Cousins, another quarterback. We barely mentioned this guy, Special K. Kirk Cousins, dancing machine. He's still in the Falcons, technically. Now, he met with owner Arthur Blank last week and told him he'd like to be moved to a team where he could be the starter. Another report indicates, despite the meeting, Atlanta will do what's best for the organization. And they don't plan to release Kirk Cousins. He's in year two of that four year, 180 million dollar deal. They've announced. Penix will be the starter. Listen, we could go back to your take after this happened. You loved drafting Pennix on the heels of Cousins, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I thought he was, and I said this before, he's the starter. He'll win the division. Year one, year two. It's panics now. He was very good until about Thanksgiving and then it unraveled, but. Yeah, I don't, I don't think Kirk has a huge market.
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Jason McIntyre
No, no. If they release him, he's gonna have a market.
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Colin Cowherd
You think so?
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Jason McIntyre
Because you'll play for the vet minimum and the Falcons will eat his contract. No, I mean, I think I would take Kirk Cousins on the veteran minimum. Wouldn't you?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, on the veteran minimum.
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Jason McIntyre
Russell Wilson got Pittsburgh to the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah. No, I, he has a market. I mean, all these guys have a market. There's seven teams that are desperate for.
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Jason McIntyre
A quarterback But I don't think anybody's trading for Kirk.
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Colin Cowherd
I'll tell you, if I. If you had to give out grades, I mean that's early. It's not even official yet. If you had to give out grades for free agency. I have one. A plus.
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Jason McIntyre
Wait, wait. Let me guess. Bears.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Been good so far. A plus is a little rich for my money, huh?
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, hey. Go go. A Chicago Bears. When's the last time we said that? Chicago Bears highest grade in the class. I mean they've been having to stay after school for years to get. Just to get to the graduate.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't even know who else would be in their class. But it's still early.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Devonte Adams to the Rams is a good fit.
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Jason McIntyre
How much is he adjusting impacting wins?
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Colin Cowherd
He's going to have Puka Nakua. Now who's the number one? Puka or Devonte? I think Puka.
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Jason McIntyre
Maybe you put Devontae in the slot.
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Colin Cowherd
So how many teams in the NFL have two good corners?
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Jason McIntyre
They're probably the best wide receiver duo in the nfc. I know AJ Brown and Devontae, Devontae Smith are right there. But Hookah and Devontae, look at the Rams.
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Colin Cowherd
They're paying nobody on defense. All the Rams money smartly is on offense. All their deep now they'll pay Jared Verse in about two years and they'll pay him early. Don't be shocked if they don't go, you know, a year before he's up. They'll. They'll pay Jared Verse.
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Jason McIntyre
Are you thinking offensive line or tight end? To really bolster the offensive they need a corner.
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Colin Cowherd
The Rams need a corner and they do need an offensive tackle for the future. But when they re sign their left tackle and they have a right tackle, they don't, they don't have to address tackle urgently until next year. Corner, line corner is a big deal for them. Interior linebacker and a tight end. They could use another tight end.
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Jason McIntyre
I think the kid Loveland from Michigan fits perfect there because the the tight end they have Higby. He's always hurt.
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Colin Cowherd
He's good but he's hurt.
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Jason McIntyre
He's good but yeah, this offense Kyron Williams, Adams, Puka, Louisiana is going to be the place to be this fall for football.
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Colin Cowherd
Chargers and rings J. Mack on the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. I watched that Celtics Lakers game. I haven't talked about it because it was Saturday but it was very, very predictable is once you heard Ruiz out and Jackson Hayes is Out, which is a lot of length. And the Lakers schedule, you know, LeBron getting on a plane and going five and a half hours. I don't care if they eat nice sandwiches and get smoothies. On a team playing. They had about a, they had about an hour of gas. And in the second half, the Lakers were done and in. LeBron just said, hey, Daddy's taking a break. Tweak the groin. I'm out. But I didn't think, like I've said before, I think Boston and Cleveland are the best teams in the league. I think Oklahoma City feels like Cleveland last year, where they're really good. They need another year of seasoning before they can go on the road. Now, that doesn't mean they can't win the west, but I, I think it's pretty clear when you watch Boston is. And yes, Jason Tatum had a very good game. He has a lot of very good games. He's still not face of the league material. I, I think Boston I, and I think people in Boston know you don't have to watch this league too long to fit. Like Boston against OKC. I would take Boston eight out of 10 times in a series. Boston, Cleveland. I take Boston six, six and a half out of 10 times. Cleveland's now got, they got a little, they got a little age. They've aged a couple of years, so, you know, closer to the vintage. But you know that, that Laker loss was predictable. And when you don't have length against the. You have to have everything healthy for the Celtics. You're. You're not beating the Celtics when you lose Rui and Jackson Hayes. And because I don't. I still don't think Lucas playing that well. He was awful in the first half of that game. Like he was a no show. Live in la, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss and the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Count your way into a perfect night with AMEX Gold. One restaurant, two friends, three amazing dishes.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's interesting, the Lions lose Carlton Davis. He got three years 60 million in New England. He's good for them. He's not their best corner, but he's a starting corner. Meanwhile, The Lions get D.J. reed from the Jets. Three years 48 million. So it's a prime example. The Lions, who I love their front office went out and got a position. They've kind of struggled within the draft. D.J. reed. So they've struggled at corner. So again, I love the Lions front office. They're like, listen, this is a position we have not drafted brilliantly. You know, we've done the O line, great running back, wide receiver. There's a lot of areas that the Lions have drafted brilliantly. It's kind of scuffed it a little bit at corner, which is a hard position to draft, right? You just don't know. So they go out and get D.J. reed, who to me, is a number one corner in the NFL now with the jets and Sauce Gardner, he's a two, right? Because Sauce is so gifted. But I think D.J. reed, to me, feels like a number one corner or a really great two. So I like that move a lot. They also picked up Patriots, picked up Carlton Davis. He'll be their number two corner. Morgan Moses, who was a Jets tackle, he'll probably be their right tackle in New England. Again, he's fine. But you're seeing a lot of moves. You know, here's the one that's interesting. The Cowboys. There's a headline today. Do you pay or trade Michael Parsons? So I said this. I've been saying this for three months. I would have traded Micah Parsons. I like him. He's very good. He's not great. He's not Myles Garrett. He's not Aiden Hutchison. He's not. He's not T.J. watt. He's very good. I like his podcast. I like him. He's very good. I think when it comes to great players. Josh Allen, Pam early pay. Josh Allen, early pay Jamar Chase 2 years ago Page of Marchase 2 years ago Justin Jefferson, Pam, Good players. I'd be a little more patient. And J.J. watt had a tweet today where he said it just, if you don't sign your. Your best players, it creates unnecessary tension and the longer you wait, the higher the price. And the Cowboys feel like they're always paying surge pricing at Uber. They waited too long on Dak. They paid him an A plus contract. He's a BB plus quarterback. I think CD Lamb should be paid a lot of money. I think he got paid top of the market. Not probably where I'd want to go, but he is, for the Cowboys, a very, very good player. Good in big games. Good player. Micah Parsons, I'd move, but now because the Cowboys have waited and Miles Garrett got 40 million, well, Mike is probably going to get around that. So. And that. That's a. That's a big number. So they're top of the market on Dak, top of the market on cd, top of the market on Michael Parson. So they're bringing the band back together, but the band's gotten booed off the stage the last couple of years, so it doesn't feel the same. So Josh Allen, by the way, he got a big contract over the weekend. I would keep paying Josh Allen early and reworking that puppy over and over. He's in his prime. He's the best athlete playing quarterback. Big strong moves, arm. It's a whole different ball game. So I've said this about the Cowboys. The Cowboys feel out of touch, you know what I mean? They've sort of lost their fastball. And by the way, this was not always the case. It feels very Al Davis late years with the Raiders. There was a time that the Raiders drafted brilliantly when Al Davis was young. The older Al Davis got, the worse the Raiders got it drafting and I would say this with the Cowboys, they built the best offensive line in football. They were like the Detroit Lions a few years ago. They were good at back offensive line. They had playmakers, DEZ Bryant. I mean, there was a time you looked at Dallas and they were like maybe underrated. They were really, really well built. Jerry should have stepped aside years ago. Too many family members in the building and they just feel like they've lost their fastball. So they're going to be paying probably. Micah, top of the market. I still contend in a weak draft you could get a number. You get a first round pick for Micah, maybe a first and a fourth, a first and a third. I mean, let's be honest. You take TJ Watt out, Miles Garrett out, maybe Aiden Hutchison out. Hendrickson and Micah are fairly similar. Max Crosby and Micah. I like Crosby more than Micah, but it's close. We could, we could argue about that. But, you know, this is Dallas and. And today, again, if you start looking around at kind of what's happening, I. To me, the smart teams have either resigned their players. Like, I think what New England's doing is interesting. New England's got a ton of cap space. They're not going for superstars. They're getting a number two tight end. They're getting a right tackle. The Patriots are getting. I mean, look what the Patriots are doing. Carlton Davis, three years, 60 million for a number two corner. Morgan Moses. You're going to pay him, you know, 28 large to be a right tackle. He's past his prime. I think Vrabel's A really smart guy. Let's just go fill gaps. We don't want to be terrible anywhere. And right now, currently, we're kind of bad at tight end. Outside of Hunter Henry, we don't have a lot there. So I. I think you can't. In college football, you can win a national championship and have holes. The coaching's not good enough to pick on. But I think also, by the way, the Pats have already signed 165 million. They went and got Harold Landry, Robert Spillane, but the numbers aren't outrageous. They're getting starters, they're not getting stars. So free agent, it's a little used car lot. You got people that are a little older, they've had injuries. Maybe there's a reason they're on the market. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with the free agent market. It. Don't be silly. I'll tell you the one to look at, Sean Payton. There's a story out today that the Broncos want Hufanga, the very good safety. Been a little banged up in college in the pro. But keep your eye on the Broncos going hard after that safety because remember, they gave a safety up to, I think Atlanta last year. They let their safety go. So on the back end, safety's value is kind of increasing based on some concepts in the NFL defensively. So we'll see. There's. There, but they're. Again, it's, it's. There's nothing wrong with the free agent period. Just Miles Garrett I would pay top dollar for. I can't think of another player I'm going to break the bank for outside of Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett's generational DK Metcalf. 34 catches last year for first downs. That's half of Amaran St. Brown. And by the way, Detroit is never going to let go of Omaron St. Brown in his pride, he's never going to hit the market. So. J. Mac, it's been pretty active. It's been pretty active.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Looks like Milton Williams, the defensive tackle from Philly, is the big name out there. Some reports linking into Carolina, nothing finalized yet. Good player mix. They just dumped Grady.
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Colin Cowherd
Jerry. Yeah, Milton's a good player.
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Jason McIntyre
He looks great in Philadelphia.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right, because he's got Jalen Carter next to him. So he's a prime example. Emperor Milton Williams, how he's letting him go. Okay, he looks really good in Philly because everybody has to double Jalen Carter.
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Jason McIntyre
And their edge rushers are great sweat.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he's a B player. He will get an A contract. And so somebody, and I like him, he's a good player. But let's again, let's put this in contextualize it here. Jalen Carter's Aaron Donald. You have to double team it him. Okay, well. And then you got edge rushers. Okay. So Milton always gets single blocking.
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Jason McIntyre
He had great Super Bowl. He was phenomenal.
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Colin Cowherd
He was great. And, and we've seen that before. Remember Larry Brown of the Cowboys 30 years ago had a great Super Bowl. Somebody overpaid. So I like this player. But Philly had him on a really good contract.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Now somebody's going to overpay.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, how do you feel about my jets kind of rebuilding? Aaron Rodgers is gone. Devonte Adams is gone. The cornerback D.J. reed, they lost. So Morgan Moses, their right tackle. This is a tear down. Aaron Glenn well signed up. We're tearing this thing down to the studs.
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Colin Cowherd
No, they're not. First of all, they're not getting rid of Quentin Williams. They're not getting rid of Sauce Gardner.
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Jason McIntyre
Sauce is on the rookie deal.
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Colin Cowherd
They're not getting rid of Garrett Wilson or Bree hall or the left tackle. They have an excellent linebacker I like. They're making wise decisions to move off a number two corner. DJ Reed, who wanted to be a number one and he wanted to be paid like a one or close to it. So he wants to be the guy in that secondary. He'll never be the guy with Sauce Gardner. So I think it's a smart move by the jets to let him go. He's a very good player. He's a one on most teams. He's not going to be a one on Denver. With certain. He's not going to be a number one on the Jets. He wants to be the guy he will be in Detroit. So that's a smart move by the Jet. Aaron. It was over, coach. It was over. D.J. reed. It's over. I think the jets still have six or seven really good players. I think the jets are actually showing some maturity. We don't know if Aaron Glenn's going to be the right coach, but they have a weapon. They have it back. They have a left tackle.
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Jason McIntyre
It's early in the process. They've lost four starters and all signs point to CJ Mosley, the middle linebacker. He's going to be shoved out.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, CJ's had a lot of injuries. I like him a lot, but I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't spend a lot on cj. He's been banged up in his career. Don't confuse prudence with rebuild. Seattle's not rebuilding. They just don't want to pay DK and Geno Smith that kind of money.
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Jason McIntyre
Offensively, they are their office fired O.
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Colin Cowherd
Line running backs, tight end they good. Hour three Coming up next. This is Nikki Glazer from the Nikki Glazer Podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country and it's gotta stop. So join us at iHeart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up, call it out and you can learn more by following. Hat's upwithhate. Hi everybody. This message is brought to you by the official Whiskey of the Herd with Colin Coward podcast, Green River Whiskey. As you know, we've been having some fun getting to know Green River Whiskey, and we just learned they've launched their first advertising campaign in more than a hundred years. You see, it seems the team from Green river in reviving the whiskey have accidentally also revived its resident ghost. So if you want to see the ghost of Green river come to Life, check out GreenRiver Whiskey on their YouTube channel or head on over to greenriverwhiskey.com here's to Green River Whiskey. Raise your spirits. Product of Green River Distilling Company, Owensboro, Kentucky. Alcohol by volume varies by product. Greenriverwhiskey.com Please drink responsibly. What's up, everyone?
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