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Matt Hasselbeck
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Here we go. It's hour two. Hour two's always great on a Monday because Matt Hasselbeck shares his wisdom with us and Colin right? Colin Wrong. What a fun weekend. I know all you college fans are freaking out. Don't worry, take a deep breath. I'll tell you, I'll get to this later in the hour. The Cowboys win over Baker Mayf I just the whole game I kept waiting for Tampa to win. Like Tampa's better. Tampa's going to win. Cowboys made a couple of great plays, the interception. But I kind of feel like did the Buccaneers give away the playoffs? Because remember Atlanta beat him twice and now Atlanta's got Michael Penix at quarterback so they look like a better version of themselves. Now they're tied for first but they get the tiebreaker. So that game means a lot. It meant a lot to Tampa and Atlanta. I don't think it meant that much to Dallas. Just got him a worse draft pick. But J Mac, it is a Monday. I was right on some stuff and wrong on some stuff. So let's call me out Here we go where Colin was right. Sam Darnold I can't quit, Sammy. I know, I know. For years cow herd, you don't know what you're talking about. And I always said I don't want to argue about the talent. He was under coached at USC and he was under coached in Carolina, New York. The kid has it. He's a playmaker, he's got a big arm, he's tough, he's coachable. Now can he be a little reckless? Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I think sometimes talented people can be a little reckless. The position. But I could never quit Sammy and couldn't be happier for where Colin was wrong. I may have to sell some of my Kyler Murray stock. They're officially out of the playoffs and they've lost four of five and in that stretch he's got four TDs and six picks. Listen, I always liked his talent. There's no, there's no question that his lack of size hurts him in the pocket. I don't know if he's a great leader. I think he makes some really bad picks, especially on the move. And often quarterbacks that are mobile make some of their better throws on the move. He makes some of his worst as a mobile quarterback. So I got to take an L on Kyler Murray and that support. Where Colin was right. Listen, I had the Washington Commanders as my surprise pick. Guys, I think let's do commanders on this story. Yeah, I had the Washington Commanders as my dark horse playoff team. And I said Dan Snyder, the coaching staff and the front office was so bad that literally changing everybody out was actually the right move to make. So I had the Commanders as a dark horse playoff team. I did not know Jaden Daniels. I liked him. I did not know he would be that good, but he is. And congratulations.
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Jason McIntyre
Where Colin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Ohio State. Wow. I thought Tennessee would keep it close. I thought this would be a really good game. I watched Tennessee's defensive line all year and they got housed. It was 21 nothing with three minutes left in the first quarter. Will Howard, who struggled on the easy stuff against Michigan, was on it. I mean, Will Howard looked great. And so they finally realized that Ohio, State, hey, we have NFL receivers in college. Nobody can guard them. But it was the way they hit, the way they defended. It was the pass rush. I thought that was going to be a classic, an epic one for the ages. And it was over in eight minutes. Where Colin was right. Chargers. Harbaugh. I said, I know they're a five win team. I'm going to pick the Chargers to make the playoffs because I think Jim Harbaugh is a top five football coach, college or pro in America. So right now they're a 98% bet to make the playoffs. I loved how they took advantage of an old school rule to kick a field goal against Denver right before half. And they use that as inertia for the rest of the game to take it over. All Justin Herbert has ever needed is the right coach and the culture culture to separate and be an elite quarterback. We predicted it and it happened where Colin was right. Well, I'LL accept your apologies. On Brock Purdy. He's okay. He's fine if everything's right. But once again, when it's less than perfect in big spots, that late game interception in four of his last five starts, passer ratings under 100. Listen, I like him, he's solid. But I'm not paying a quarterback anything close to 50 million if you only win when everything is perfect. If you go to his last 20 starts and yes, they've had injuries, he's 10 and 10 again. Quarterbacks are trucks, they're pulling a team or tractors, they're getting pulled. I think he's the latter, which is why I'd pay him 32, 34, 35 million and nothing starting with a 5.
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Jason McIntyre
Where Colin was wrong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
No, I think I'm done with it. I got one more right and that is the NBA cup was down 35% last week and LeBron James agreed with me and Joe Missoula, the Celtics head coach, agreed with me. The game has gotten increasingly monotonous. You have NBA teams now shooting 45 threes a game. There's no layering. It's just a three point shooting contest. And again, LeBron came out and criticized the league. Joe Mazzulla, the Celtics coach, said, I don't watch a lot of NBA beyond my own team. Nobody's picking on the NBA. I do not want to see Wemby at 74 pulling up 11 times for threes. I don't want to see the most dynamic athlete in the league, ant Edwards, shooting 10, 11 threes. I don't care about analytics. Math does not necessarily make great entertainment. Baseball made changes. The game's gone up in ratings and attendance. The NBA needs to make changes. The NBA cup and the overall ratings right now are headed in the wrong direction. With that, we bring in Matt Hasselbeck on a Monday, 18 years in the league. So it's interesting when you get to this point in the season, Detroit's a great example. We know they're good and I will give them credit. That was a classic trap game. They could have gone on the road, they could have played poorly. They just lost to Buffalo. Where are you this morning on Detroit going forward, dealing with all these injuries?
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Guest Analyst
Well, that'd be a big trap losing to Chicago, Colin. I mean, that's hard to do right now. Listen, I like Detroit. I like Detroit. You know, they've been the. They've kind of been the hunter. Now they're the hunted. And I think that you're seeing kind of the evolution of Dan Campbell. As a head coach, I think he's learning. I think he's been pretty transparent about where he's made mistakes. I think it's one of the reasons guys like him. And this is kind of, I think, the big thing I think of when I talk about Detroit. Like, we think about their toughness and their creativity. I like that. But you got to think now as a team, like you used to be thinking back in the day, hey, we're playing a 16 game season. Now Detroit's up there with the big boys and they got to be thinking they're playing 20 something games because they're super bowl contenders. And so I think maybe that toughness, there's limits on how tough you can be if you don't want to end the season with a bunch of guys on ir. And so, like, I just go back to my, my first year in the NFL. The Green Bay packers were coming off of two consecutive Super Bowls. That offseason wasn't at all what I thought it was going to be like. They were learning to play not in pads. There were guys like Reggie White and Brett Favre and Antonio Freeman and Dorsey Levins and, you know, Gilbert Brown. They learned how to play tough without always being in pads. And that might be one of the lessons that Detroit needs to learn going forward if they want to have sustained success.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So we talk about it on this show all the time. There are great stories and then there are great teams. And I thought Minnesota, early in the year was Sam Darnold. Now it's a great story. Redemption for Darnold. He had a turbulent career. He's a great kid. Kevin O'Connell, the tall Sean McVeigh. Great story. Detroit's got better players. Philadelphia, Buffalo, Baltimore. Great story. You start going, you start winning all these close games. I don't know, man. I'm. I'm like, this is. It's like Kansas City winning close games. After a while, that's who you are. I don't want to hear luck. I look at Minnesota and I'm like, detroit, speed up. Philadelphia's got drama. I don't know. What do you see with Minnesota? I think it's a pretty good team.
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Guest Analyst
See a few things with Minnesota. Number one, Brian Flores is unbelievably underrated. Like, I think everyone kind of gives him his credit. Like, like, oh, yeah. Like, yeah, he's great. Like, no, no, no. He is legitimate. And then on the flip side, Sam Darnold is playing outstanding. Like that throw that he had kind of that cover two hole shot. Here it is on the screen right now. That throw was ridiculous. That's a game winning throw. That's a jaw dropping throw. And really the receiver wasn't that open. He made him open. I think Sam Dar playing great football, he's going to get paid whether in Minnesota or somewhere else this year. He has definitely, definitely earned it.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. So, you know, I, I don't want to pick on Brock Purdy, but you start talking 50 million like that. To me a great example is Burrow O line's not good. Defense isn't so he's always in a shootout. I think the coach is fine. But I look at Burrow and I'm like, okay, that's what 55 million looks like. And I look at Purdy and I'm like, okay, he didn't have Christian McCaffrey. Well, Darnold doesn't have his left tackle. You gotta win when it's not perfect. And I'm watching Purdy and I'm sitting there thinking, am I missing something here? Where's the wow, what do you make of him?
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Guest Analyst
Well, I'll just say this, like I'm a huge Brock Purdy fan. I think he's a really good player. But when I was going through contract negotiations, we never really talked at dollars. We talked comps. And so like whether it was you talking to your agent, your agent talking to the team, you're usually talking comparables, much like selling or buying a house. And so like I remember one year, you know, the team was trying to say that, hey you to us, contract wise, you're Chad Pennington. And I was trying to say, no, I'm Steve McNair or like whoever the latest, whoever the latest contracts were. And then ultimately you probably slide in there somewhere in between what you want the comp to be and what they want the comp to be. So it's not necessarily like they come into a negotiation, they say, hey, it's got to start with a five. You know, usually they'll look around, they'll talk about what the other options are this offseason. Ironically, Sam Darnold could be one of the other options. Or you talk about what contracts were done last year that you think are a good comp for you, who you are as a player. And that's really where the negotiations happen. And that's a lot of times where you see guys get offended, like, wait, what, you think I'm the same player as that guy? And so like sometimes negotiations go south. You see it more often at wide receiver negotiations because you know, I think they like, they, they comp themselves to the other guys more than quarterbacks do. Quarterbacks, I think, realize that there's a lot that goes into my success or my failures, but that's how this negotiation will probably go, at least how it'll start out.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I want you to explain to the audience one of the first things from Mahomes that always struck me wasn't just that he was talented. It was that I couldn't tell if he was leading or trailing. It didn't affect him. It didn't matter. I watched Jaden Daniels, his fourth quarter passer rating this year, his passer rating while trailing. It's like in the Lamar in the Mahomes category. Take my audience to how tough that is. Forget ever when you're young and how much tougher quarterback play is on final drives and trail. Because I look at Jaden Daniels, it just doesn't seem like stuff rookies normally do.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah, I don't know if it's tougher. I actually sort of always liked it. I think he likes it too. There's a difference between liking it and being able to like actually go out and do it at the moment of truth. Jaden Daniels is the most impressive quarterback in this rookie class by far. I mean, what he has done this season and what he did yesterday is just absolutely mind blowing. Like he is everything you would hope to have in a rookie quarterback and more, both as a thrower, as a runner, even as a leader. I don't think he even understands like how difficult some of the things are that he's doing. He just does it with a smile on his face and he repeats the same things that kids say in like high school and in college. Like, oh no, I just want the ball in my hands at the end of the game. Like really in that moment on 4th and 11, you want to be running the ball against Phillies defense. Really, like this isn't flag football. This is the Eagles defense, one of the most talented defenses in the game. So, you know, I just think that he has been remarkable this year. He is a lot of fun to watch. I think Cliff Kingsbury deserves a lot more credit than he's getting. And I think that Jaden Daniels, I know a rookie quarterback, we talked about it, I've heard it. Rookie quarterbacks never started a Super Bowl. It could happen with this guy. It legitimately could. They're a real contender this year. Not next year, this year. And so like that game, it was the game of the week. He had the throw of the week. It was incredible.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All Right. Michael Penix, Washington, Indiana. A lot of college starts, played with a lot of NFL receivers. What'd you make of his debut?
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Guest Analyst
Yeah, I thought it was good. I think it was very encouraging. I mean, it was against the Giants, so, you know, that's what it is. They're not a very good team, to put it nicely. The defense scored twice. You know, it was some of that. But I think if you're looking, does this kid belong? Yeah, he belongs. He's got major zip on his passes, which is basically the biggest critique that people have had on Kirk Cousins this year. Coming off of injury. Penix has a wow arm. He's a wow factor arm. And then when you watch him in that Ryan Grubb offense in college at ut, he had wow, accuracy. So this is not your typical rookie. He's a guy that started a bunch of games, he's played a lot of football, he's very mature. And I actually think it's going to be a great thing for his career to have been there with Kirk Cousins. You see Kirk kind of cheerleading him on now, being unselfish. So you marry up the weapons that they have offensively and then the potential that Penix has. I think it's great. My question would be, is this really what you want to do? Kind of be developing, learning on the fly as you have a chance to win your division. And I think that's the tough decision. I think that's why Atlanta waited so long to put him in as the starter.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Let's go back to somebody you've been critical of. But in fairness, despite the drama around him, Caleb's not throwing picks. I know it's not everything, but usually if a quarterback's overwhelmed a rookie, he makes a lot of mistakes. Will Levis, Bryce Young. Okay, let's go now to what Caleb is. They're not winning. Have you changed your opinion on what you see with him?
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Guest Analyst
No. And listen, I know he's a young quarterback and so I always feel badly being critical at all of any young quarterback because, you know, if someone looked at me when I was a rookie, it would have been a disaster. Okay. But this is a very strong rookie class of quarterbacks and I just think that, like, Caleb is the one guy to me that I don't see the things that I believe are really important, that I believe matter for sustained success for a long time, long career. I haven't seen that so much. So, yeah, is no interceptions, like, great, that's awesome. But like, you also have to learn to be an anticipator as a passer. Jaden Daniels do such an amazing job. He's a wait and see thrower. You, you can't take sacks. That hurts your team. You're in field goal range now. You take an unnecessary sack, now we're punting. Like, you got to learn to throw the ball away. You got to know where your hots are. You got to move protection so that you know you're not hurting your team. Body language is a huge thing to me. I don't. I don't love what I see out of him, you know, so are there. Wow plays? Are there splash plays? Yeah. That's awesome. That's why you were drafted so high. But if you're going to compare him and if I was just going to like nameless faces, I don't see the emblem on the helmet. I don't see the name on the jersey. I don't know who was picked first, second, third, whatever. I'm putting all those other rookie quarterbacks, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, Bo Nixon. In a week, I might put panics up there above Caleb. That's just the film is the film and my opinion is my opinion. But we'll see if I'm being real. That's what I would say.
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Matt Hasselbeck
No, no, I love it. And you're more right than I am on that stuff. So finally, I feel like I've been defending Lamar Jackson for six years, that he's just. And I will say this, I mean, Elway felt perfect, right? Like, you had size, he had arm running, he went to Stanford. Some players are developing as pros, and I think Lamar has become a very nice. They finally got him a number one in Zay Flowers. They always had a run game. I don't like to root, but I want to see Lamar succeed in the postseason. And I know he got tight last year. Where are. I thought he was so good against Pittsburgh. Where are you now on Lamar? Baltimore today. Do you feel good or is the anxiety creeping up for playoff? Lamar for you?
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Guest Analyst
No, no, I'm buying. I'm buying Baltimore. I love Lamar. I think Lamar's in some weird way underrated because he's an MVP winner. I mean, he's. He's probably the guy that is got the best chance to unseat Josh Allen as the MVP this year. I think Baltimore's exactly where they need to be in terms of winning this division. I thought he was outstanding against Pittsburgh. I thought he was the difference maker. And that was a big matchup. You know, Lamar and the Ravens or Russell and the Steelers. It was clear it was Lamar and the Ravens. And so I think you're going to see more of. I think he's an outstanding player. And, you know, when you talk about the type, you know, the quarterbacks that could go toe to toe with Josh Allen, toe to toe with Mahomes, like, who's that difference maker that makes everybody around him better? Who's the guy that intimidates defensive coordinators? Lamar Jackson's got to be at the top of that list.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, I got to ask you one more thing. When Detroit did the trick play, I thought Ben Johnson, the OC was showing off to the Chicago brass. I'm like, why would you run that play? Am I reaching there? Is that possible?
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Guest Analyst
No, you're 100% right about that. And not only just a game like this, but, you know, coordinators and play callers do that on, like a nationally televised game. Monday Night Football, Sunday Night Football, they save it. The funny thing is, is most guys don't have the courage, they don't have the stones to call it in that game. You put a game, you put a. You put a trick play in for the Bears, you end up calling it like seven weeks later. You know, I think, like, to the Philly Special against New England, you know, they probably didn't put it in for New England. They probably were practicing it like for 11 weeks, and then they were like, you know, I think it was Foals and Doug Peterson. They were like, you want to just run Philly Special? We've been running it in practice the whole season. It's ready to roll. You know, so now listen, I think Ben Johnson's been one of the most impressive play callers and kind of creative guys, but yeah, that was. That was a little bit of a show off, a little bit of an audition, no doubt.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Great seeing you as always. Man, you're always money. Love your stuff. Matt Hasselbeck. Thanks, bud.
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Guest Analyst
Thank you, Colin.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, it Peter Schrager also noted that on Twitter. I'm watching it, and as I watch the play, I'm like, first of all, we all like new stuff. We love trick plays. So I'm like, that's a weird time to call that play against the division team you're routing because you're going to face those guys two times a year, right? Like, you don't want to rub it in. See, if you're the Ravens and you're beating the Steelers, you may want to hold back on rubbing it in with a trick play. Now, I know Detroit's better than Chicago, but I thought, that's kind of a weird way. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, a little show off time. Little audition for Ben Johnson.
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Jason McIntyre
Did, did you see people saying, why don't you save that for a playoff game? My instant response is the smart, good teams, they're not falling for that crap. The Bears are a bad team, poorly coached. Eber Floose is not there. All the guys are yelling, fumble. I don't know if you heard the fumble, fumble. And nobody's paying attention. I would say there's no chance Ben Johnson goes to Chicago. None. Why is he going there?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I mean, if you're a coordinator and somebody triples your pay and it's.
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Jason McIntyre
A beautiful city, Washington offered a triple his pay and he said no, like on the private jet over there.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Like he didn't, he didn't quite know what Jaden Daniels would be. Yeah, I mean, we, we both like Jaden Daniels. We didn't think he'd be this.
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Jason McIntyre
No, I like Drake May more and Jaden's been way better. But Drake May's coming on strong.
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Matt Hasselbeck
No, nobody's watching Drake May. But I still can't believe that game. I mean, New England jumped right on top of it.
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Jason McIntyre
Buffalo sleepy. Yeah. Josh Allen, worst game since that Texans disaster. You really think Ben Johnson's leaving Detroit for Chicago? He would do that.
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Matt Hasselbeck
That. I just think Chicago Bears are in the division. It's a blue blood franchise. They got some good players. This is not, this is not a bad roster. It's a talented. It, it's a little bit like the Chargers job where you've got pieces now. And I think Herbert was more proven than Caleb. Caleb's still in the ascension stage, whereas everybody kind of knew Herbert was really good. But it's, you know, they got pass.
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Jason McIntyre
Rushers, they had like 350 yards of offense.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no.
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Jason McIntyre
Again, now it was. They're playing catch up the whole time.
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Matt Hasselbeck
But that's. They got dudes. Chicago's got dudes.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right, welcome back in on Monday, Matt Hasselbeck was money, was he not? He's got his questions on Caleb Williams. He's been consistent all year and he's also been consistent on he loves Jaden Daniels. Here's J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, let's start with the Minnesota Vikings. Holland. What a story. They are now 132 after the win over Seattle on the road and they got a shot at the number one seed. I don't think they'll get it, but they have a shot. Now listen, Justin Jefferson was phenomenal yesterday. 10 catches for a buck 44, two touchdowns, including the go ahead touchdown late, which was an amazing play by Darn Arnold Jefferson. Just grittying all over the place. I love this guy. He actually likened this Minnesota team to the national title winning team he was on at LSU that won a lot of.
- [33:06]
Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, yeah, we're coming together.
- [33:09]
Guest Analyst
You know, every single game we're finding different ways to, to overcome adversity. These close games are what make, you know, championship teams. You know, just staying in it.
- [33:19]
Matt Hasselbeck
2019 when I won the championship and.
- [33:21]
Guest Analyst
LSU is the same type of both, same type of vibe, just the team just together fighting for one another every single game and it definitely feels the same.
- [33:31]
Matt Hasselbeck
Remember that LSU team beat like 8 ranked teams. They were in just crazy, dramatic games and they kept winning all of them.
- [33:38]
Jason McIntyre
And that dropped 70 on somebody in a playoff game or 60. It was like a massive blowout.
- [33:43]
Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. In Minnesota, I gotta tell you, with. With the Lions defense losing really good players. And the packers are good, but still young. I look at Minnesota differently today than I did six weeks ago.
- [33:57]
Jason McIntyre
Interesting. So regarding Coach of the Year, I know you love Peyton. We like Harbaugh, and obviously Dan Campbell's been great. I think it's got to be O'Connell. Their win total was six and a half. Yeah, they've doubled that. And they're in the mix for the number one seed, Sam Darnold, who's, you know, putting it nicely. He's a reckless project. No.
- [34:16]
Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, completely. Yeah.
- [34:17]
Jason McIntyre
Look, I think this has to be the Coach of the year phenomenal story. I don't know how dangerous they are.
- [34:23]
Matt Hasselbeck
Well, I don't either. But you know what's funny about this? I'm gonna go old school. So remember, I know you hate this, but Lou Dolson, the legendary basketball coach, had so many great teams at Arizona.
- [34:32]
Jason McIntyre
Arizona Wildcats. Yes.
- [34:33]
Matt Hasselbeck
And it was the one young team that had Miles signing that got in and won the Natty. It was the only Arizona loot team ever been. Everybody's like, yeah, this is not a national champ. So they had no pressure and they won it. And it's really funny. Minnesota, in my lifetime has had all these teams. I mean, I grew up with the Purple People Eaters, and they had Fran Tarkind and they won. And they've had a lot of great teams. The Moss years. And this is the one where they were picked fourth in division or if you're optimistic, third. And even this season we paid attention to the packers and the Lions and the Eagles, and it's like they're really in a rare spot. They're an excellent team, and there's zero pressure even in their division. There's more pressure on Chicago to get the right coach than Minnesota to win a playoff game.
- [35:21]
Jason McIntyre
Well, you could argue there was some pressure on Sam Darnold yesterday in Seattle, trailing in the fourth, they had no run game to speak of.
- [35:26]
Matt Hasselbeck
None.
- [35:27]
Jason McIntyre
And Darnold gets dinged up. Remember, he got, like, kind of falled on the ankle. He couldn't stand up quickly. And then, like the next play, he scrambles and hits Jefferson. I don't know what to make of this team. Like, in their playoff prospects, they just keep winning. And you made something. You said something interesting about how Darnold could stay In Minnesota, I think I.
- [35:44]
Matt Hasselbeck
So I texted an executive yesterday and I said, you tell me this is not a great quarterback class. Is Sam easily the best quarterback available? He goes, yes, and Minnesota's too smart to let him go. And this was an executive who respected the Vikings. He said, this coach is too smart. This organization's too smart to let him go.
- [36:09]
Jason McIntyre
They let Kirk Cousins go. They didn't want to match.
- [36:11]
Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, but Kirk cousin older, not athletic. They'd had him for years. They'd seen a ceiling. When I watch Sam play, I know he can be reckless, but I don't see a lot of ceiling here. He keeps making plays with his feet and his arm in big spot.
- [36:27]
Jason McIntyre
What if he. What if they think, hey, we can get 90% of Sam's production out of JJ McCarthy on his rookie contract and then we can really stack.
- [36:37]
Matt Hasselbeck
You know who I think is hoping that? The Titans and the Raiders. I think they're both hoping Minnesota.
- [36:44]
Jason McIntyre
How much is Sam Darnold dominating with Kevin Oconnell? Is he going to dominate with whatever the Raiders tried out at O.C.
- [36:50]
Matt Hasselbeck
No, I think this is the best. Sam, can you get 85 of this elsewhere?
- [36:54]
Jason McIntyre
Callahan, I. I trust as an offensive guy, but it's outdoors. It's Tennessee.
- [36:58]
Matt Hasselbeck
It's different.
- [36:59]
Jason McIntyre
You go from Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and Hawkinson to Calvin Ridley, random tight end guy. And who else did Tyler Boyd. That's a massive drop.
- [37:09]
Matt Hasselbeck
No, I think you're seeing the best of him, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have value. I'm not paying him 50, but you're starting to get into that. Daniel Jones, 4, 40, 41. Ish. You have to consider we use Daniel.
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Jason McIntyre
Jones as a barometer, and the Giants were a total train wreck the second they gave him the money. They had to move off Saquon and they can't win a damn game. So you do that to Darnold.
- [37:30]
Matt Hasselbeck
I know. I think it's a. I think it's a very fair conversation. But in Minnesota, I have a hard time letting that thing go at 13 and 2.
- [37:38]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, real tough to move. They do have Green Bay this week in a massive game before the Detroit season finale. Next up is the Chiefs. They look good. I'll give them this. They look good on Saturday. Would we agree they didn't need luck to win this game, But Chris Jones went down with a calf injury in the second half.
- [37:55]
Matt Hasselbeck
Did you see the team rally around him? Like, man, when he went down, that whole defense just swarmed to him. They knew it was trouble.
- [38:02]
Jason McIntyre
Jake Glazer is reporting it's a grade one calf strain. His status for Wednesday up in the air now. Listen, I'm done guessing on the Chiefs. We thought Mahomes would be hurt. You know, may not play and they rest him. He was fine. So who knows what's going to happen with Chris Jones. Chiefs are minus two and a half at Pittsburgh Christmas day on I believe.
- [38:25]
Matt Hasselbeck
In Netflix is George Pickens plan.
- [38:29]
Jason McIntyre
That's the plan. But we got to see the injury report.
- [38:33]
Matt Hasselbeck
I'll take Kansas City. This was the injured Mahomes and he looked pretty good.
- [38:37]
Jason McIntyre
Casey on the road. So Mike Tomlin in a epic spot as a home dog. That's supposed to be an autoplay Mr. Trent better.
- [38:45]
Matt Hasselbeck
My trends have stunk this year. Yeah, they have.
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Jason McIntyre
Final story is the worst team in New York. The New York Giants. 10 straight L's and they continue to tank for the number one pick. They're in the clear now, 2 and 13. They are officially in line to have the number one pick. However, I wouldn't pencil in Shador Sanders just yet. And NFL analyst Brian McFadden believes the Giants need to just blow the whole damn thing up and hit the reset button. Everyone must go. It feels like a locker room is gone. And that is the ultimate sign of in terms of shaking up personnel. McFadden obviously former cornerbacks in the league. He also believes Dion will not want Shador to go to New York. He's not the only one who thinks that.
- [39:28]
Matt Hasselbeck
Let me throw this out. You're good about this. You could say Brian Dabel. Fire him. If you're Brian Dable, I do believe getting Daniel Jones to a playoff win will get you a second job. My guys in the league think all the quarterbacks in this rookie class are better than Shedeur. You're stuck taking Shedeur. And my takeaway is if I'm Brian Dabel, forget the Giants wanting a reset. If I'm Brian Dable and his agent, I want a reset.
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Jason McIntyre
Are you sure you're taking Shador over Cam Ward?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, Cam Ward has a better arm. I think he's a. I think Cam's the better athlete with a better arm. I think Shedeur is more ready to play and polish.
- [40:09]
Jason McIntyre
You want a celebrity quarterback or NFL quarterback? Which one do you want?
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Matt Hasselbeck
That's a good I, I again, I don't think Shedeur is a strong enough prospect to be a defensive definitive number one. You could argue your way out of it. I think Jalen Milroe is going to go 15th or above too. I do. Keep your eye on the Titans taking.
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Jason McIntyre
Him Titans add I believe.
- [40:34]
Matt Hasselbeck
Titans add Kirk Cousins for one year and draft Jalen Miller.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, Cleveland Browns are now have leapfrogged the Raiders in the draft order. Here is the current draft order. Giants at 1. Patriots need an offensive line badly. The Jags probably go Travis Hunter. I think that that makes sense.
- [40:50]
Matt Hasselbeck
I think all the team I think every One of those teams 4, 5.
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Jason McIntyre
And 6 need a quarterback. But the DeShawn Watson Browns element's very interesting. Colin Would they draft a Jaylen Milro a Shador at 5 with DeShawn on the roster? I mean we saw DTR yesterday. Not happening. Jameis Winston he that ain't it. Jets are in prime position to get a nice pass rusher there. No quarterback for them.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah J Mac with the news well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie News America's honesty broker has some thoughts on the Buccaneers and the Cowboys. Where and what are the Cowboys today? If you're bad, at least you have a plan, right? Get a new coach. Get a new quarterback. Are the Cowboys in NFL quicksand? Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Hasselbeck
So cowboy fans, time for a little data from America's honesty broker. I am just the messenger, just relaying data. No reason to get angry with me. But Cowboys starting quarterbacks this season. DAK Prescott is 3 and 5 and Cooper Rush is 4 and 3. Well, that Colin, there's a lot of oh passer rating, Cooper's is higher. Cooper 10 touchdowns, two picks. Dak 11 touchdowns, eight picks. And also Dallas won a game rushing for just 31 yards. Dak Prescott has never done that in his career. He's been very reliant on a strong run game game. So you know this is why Dallas is staring at third place, is that I felt that Jerry is terrified to be irrelevant. And I'm watching that game last night. I'm not watching it for Dallas. I'm watching it for Baker Mayfield and to see if the Buccaneers can secure their playoff spot, which they didn't. Which is a bummer because I kind of felt like I was watching the better team lose to a team that just had a couple of great plays. So now the Cowboys are in sort of that dreaded NFL quicksand because they won. Right now their draft order is 15th and this is what many people consider to be one of the weaker drafts in the last decade. At the top, there's about nine really elite players. Usually you get about 16 to 17 on average. And then you try to stay away from the end of the first round where you're paying first round money. But it's probably more of a second round player. This year you got about nine guys that grayed out as first round players. So now you're right in the middle. It's hard to move. It's not a year in which people want to move up in the first round unless you have a top 8, 9, 10 pick and Dallas doesn't have that. And Cooper Rush is in a short list of very good backup quarterbacks, elite backup quarterbacks. But they weren't even the most newsworthy team last night. I thought Tampa was. And so generally if you're not not making the playoffs, let's say like Chicago, you have a plan. We got to get a head coach. Washington's a great example of that. Washington last year, bad team. We're cleaning house. That's a plan. Denver was like, we got to go get a quarterback. We got too much dead money with Russell Wilson. We got to have a free quarterback for four years. So generally Speaking Houston a couple years ago. Coach, quarterback back. We're starting over. I like the idea of an NFL team saying, hey, man, we're starting over. Or at least be like the Chargers or the Bears, where we just got to get the right coach. We like our quarterback. I don't know what Dallas is. Jerry's the GM. You're stuck with Dak and Mike McCarthy's winning games. And we've said this. Mike McCarthy in big spots against great teams drives me nuts with his clock management. But you can't argue that Mike McCarthy is a bad coach. I mean, I watched the Giants. That team looks like it's given up Dallas playing hard. Every time I watch Dallas, I'm like, they're giving you everything they got. I mean, that game was so easy to mail in last night. Tampa had everything to play for. Dallas has nothing to play for. And I thought Dallas played really good football. And I think they had the inferior team. I would take Tampa's roster over Dallas's roster 10 out of 10 times. So that's a nice win for them. And it doesn't help them in the draft order, but it does help Mike McCarthy probably save his job. But again, what is the plan for next year? Here's Jerry after. Proud of his guys. Proud of those guys. They wouldn't give it up out there. So I'm real, real proud of them. And Michael McCarthy, he just won't let them not think they're playing for the super bowl out there. He won't let them do it. So proud of that. Proud of the coach. Yeah, should be. Here's the other Texas story. So it's the first round of the college football playoffs. I don't. Don't take too much from it, but I'm. I've said all year, I think I predicted this. Texas, Ohio State will play for the Natty. Now, I didn't think Ohio State was going to stub their toe at home against the Michigan team that couldn't pass. But Ohio State looked great this weekend. I mean, that's as good as anybody's played in any game this year. They were unbelievable. But I watched Texas against Clemson, and I gotta tell you, I look at Ohio State's passing game with Will Howard and those receivers, and I watch Texas's secondary get beat. I don't know. I don't know what to make of Texas. I know they're going to beat Arizona State, but I'm watching the Longhorns this weekend, and my take on all this college playoff stuff is there's a Lot of bureaucracy, whatever. I like their running backs, but I feel like when I watched Ohio State, even at the end, I felt they were intentional. They had a mission. They were a torpedo in cleats and they wanted to make a statement. I just feel like Texas is talented and I just, I feel like they leave so many opportunities on the edit room floor, so I don't know what to make. They're now a 14 point favored over Arizona State. So they opened, I think 13, 13 and a half. So it tells you there's probably some sharp money on Texas. And I do think Arizona State's a much better story than a team. Ohio State's very good. I think they'll beat Oregon, close in the Rose Bowl.
- [51:16]
Colin Cowherd
They've been there before.
- [51:17]
Matt Hasselbeck
What do you make of Texas? Because I thought Clemson had a lot of push. I know they got beat by a couple touchdowns, but I thought Clemson. I think if you're Ohio State and a team that can throw from this point forward, I thought Clemson moved the ball pretty well.
- [51:33]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, you mentioned it. 336 yards passing, three touchdowns, 7.8 yards per attempt. These aren't like rigging passes.
- [51:40]
Matt Hasselbeck
They were throwing the ball down the field.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, Yeah.
- [51:42]
Matt Hasselbeck
I didn't. Great. I didn't love it.
- [51:44]
Jason McIntyre
I like Dillingham, the ASU coach a lot.
- [51:46]
Matt Hasselbeck
Yes.
- [51:47]
Jason McIntyre
Clever quarterback. We'll see. He's, you know, he's all right.
- [51:50]
Matt Hasselbeck
Do you know they were. Do you know Arizona State.
- [51:52]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [51:53]
Matt Hasselbeck
Was picked for 16th in their conference? I mean it was, they were, they were literally the, the Pac Twelves. Like we're disbanding. Go find your own conference difference. That's one of the Cinderella stories of all time.
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Jason McIntyre
So one angle that you could look into. You know, you just said Texas, Ohio State playing for the Natty. Well, they would play in the 70.
- [52:11]
Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, you're right. You're right, you're right.
- [52:13]
Jason McIntyre
Well, no, we had thought.
- [52:14]
Matt Hasselbeck
Let's look at, let's look at, let's look at the bracket again. Yeah. Okay.
- [52:17]
Jason McIntyre
My bad play in the semi final. Okay.
- [52:20]
Matt Hasselbeck
I think I would take Ohio State. Okay.
- [52:22]
Jason McIntyre
Is Texas going to be overlooking a two touchdown dog for a big matchup against Ohio State?
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Matt Hasselbeck
I think Ohio State. State matches up really well with Texas. Really well.
- [52:31]
Jason McIntyre
See, the problem is Ohio State and Oregon are going to beat each other.
- [52:34]
Matt Hasselbeck
Look at this. Look at Penn State's root. So Penn State gets SMU at home. Now it's Boise State and then they get to play the winner of Notre Dame, Georgia, which is going to be physical run because Georgia's got a backup quarterback. So that's going to be incredibly physical. Marcus Freeman's teams play. It's physical football. So then Penn State.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. You know, Klatt came on here and mentioned the reseed and I was, I kind of scoffed. I was like, come on. Looking at this clap was onto something like this just doesn't seem right, if that makes any sense.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Right, right.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
No, I mean, I think Boise is going to be live in that one.
- [53:11]
Matt Hasselbeck
What's. What a shame is it's crazy. The Ohio State Oregon game could be the game of the year in college football, followed by the second best game of the year in college football. Texas, Ohio State or Oregon shouldn't. The way you should do the seating is you get those guys in the end.
- [53:30]
Jason McIntyre
This is a work in progress.
- [53:31]
Colin Cowherd
Right?
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. It's no question.
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Jason McIntyre
Let's not overreact. All these people saying cut it to eight teams. No, that's nonsense. I think this is tremendous. I love the games. Even though they were blowouts, it helped that I nailed all of them correctly.
- [53:42]
Matt Hasselbeck
Listen, the road teams got smoked.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen, that, that Notre Dame Georgia game is really interesting because, you know, George.
- [53:48]
Matt Hasselbeck
Is like a one and a half point favorite.
- [53:49]
Jason McIntyre
USC passed it all over Notre Dame George. That's not how Georgia operates.
- [53:53]
Matt Hasselbeck
No, no. I think Georgia's got overall a better roster.
- [53:56]
Jason McIntyre
The trenches will be everything. That Georgia defensive line, they got like three first round picks in their. In their front seven.
- [54:02]
Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, basic Texas. Oh, Texas versus the winner of Oregon Ohio State would be at the Cotton Bowl. Oh, that's basically a home game for Texas.
- [54:10]
Jason McIntyre
Indeed.
- [54:11]
Matt Hasselbeck
I don't mind that because I think Texas is earned. That the Penn State's road. Give me a break. To down comforter.
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Matt Hasselbeck
It's Lavar Arrington here from up on.
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Colin Cowherd
Game and I need you to listen for a moment, all right? And get serious. The hate in this country is getting out of control.
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Matt Hasselbeck
It's at an all time high.
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Colin Cowherd
It's going to take all of us to stop it. I mean, think about it. We're all on the same team in this country, right? Let's take a break from hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a timeout against hate. Visit Stand up to all hate.org to.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Help and join me in calling for.
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Colin Cowherd
A timeout against hate by following.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Or.
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Colin Cowherd
Posting the blue square emoji. What makes the holiday special are the details from Genesis. And every little detail in a Genesis is another gift to you, like an available heated steering wheel during winter. That's a gift you'll love for the available Nappa leather seating. And how about a $1,000 bonus on select Genesis vehicles? The deal ends January 2nd. See participating Genesis retailers for details. Experience the Genesis signature event. Visit genesis.com to see how Genesis can make your holidays even brighter. Details make the holidays.