HOUR 3 –Bears-49ers proves offensive coaches are the future, More coach firings to come?

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode Summary: HOUR 3 – Bears-49ers Proves Offensive Coaches Are the Future, More Coach Firings to Come?

Air Date: December 29, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Featured Guests: Jason McIntyre, Diana Rossini

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Episode Overview

This hour dives into NFL coaching trends, the impact and future of both offensive and defensive-minded head coaches, and the inevitable wave of coaching changes as the regular season ends. Colin, Jason, and Diana Rossini analyze recent high-profile coaching decisions, headline coaching candidates, team outlooks for NFL jobs, and how league-wide offensive evolution is shifting the calculus for organizations seeking new leadership. The conversation is lively and fast-paced, with strong opinions and notable analysis of teams like the Giants, Bills, Raiders, Rams, Falcons, and more.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Marcus Freeman’s Decision to Stay at Notre Dame ([02:47]–[06:18], [21:27]–[23:26])

• Context: Marcus Freeman, highly regarded college coach, was considered for several NFL vacancies but has decided to remain at Notre Dame.
• Diana Rossini: “The New York Giants were not the only team who were interested in Marcus Freeman. So I get what you're saying… there were at least four other teams I know poking around on Marcus Freeman. And when I say poking around because some of those teams have a coach currently in place. Right?” ([04:21])
• Giants and Titans showed serious interest, but Freeman’s alignment with what NYG seeks ("leader of men") was a factor, though the timing and appeal of staying in college, perhaps for future plum jobs (e.g., Ohio State), weighed heavily.
• Colin (on college jobs): “I’ll maintain that... Freeman’s not leaving for an NFL job unless it’s Harbaugh-like. 'Oh, Justin Herbert is your quarterback. Yes, I'll consider that.' That's when Freeman will go. These guys don’t need to take on a rebuild.” ([21:54])
• Jason McIntyre: Discussed how elite college jobs now recruit themselves due to brand and NIL, making them more attractive and less taxing than NFL rebuilds.

2. NFL Coaching Carousel: Candidates and Trends ([06:18]–[14:15], [18:38]–[21:27], [36:09]–[39:20])

• Diana Rossini lays out the Giants’ search: “... you have Jeff Hafley, the Packers defensive coordinator. Lou Anarumo, the Colts defensive coordinator... Brian Flores...” ([05:03])
• Flores is widely respected: “Did you see that clinic that defense put on against the Detroit Lions at home on Christmas Day? I know the New York Giants were watching.” ([05:29])
• “Organizations have Brian Flores on their board.”
• Robert Saleh as a possible candidate for New York also discussed. Both Jason and Diana value his accountability and high-energy style:
  • Jason: “All I know is if you gave me three guys to hire in this next cycle, I would do Salah Flores 1 and 2. I think they're great.” ([06:32])
  • Diana: Stresses "accountability" as the key flaw in the Giants' leadership, and why coaches like Saleh, Tomlin, and Arthur Smith are respected ([07:22]).
• Coaching cycles see on average five openings yearly; this offseason could see six or more, including some surprise playoff teams making changes.
• Colin (on coaching background): “You don't have to be an offensive guy. If you're a defensive guy, you gotta be young. I would say Brian Flores in Minnesota. Love him... the second best candidate is Salah. Third best candidate, Mike McCarthy... then I would put Chris Shula in LA...” ([19:37])
• Diana (on NFL versus college for coaches): Suggests younger coaches like Freeman adapt better to recruiting/NIL shifts; elite college jobs are nearly self-sustaining and thus hard to leave ([23:26], [24:42]).

3. The Future of Old-School Coaches & Michigan’s New Hire ([24:42]–[27:27])

• Kyle Whittingham taking Michigan job at age 66, surprising some due to age.
• Jason: “Let's say he stays for four years... they win nine games. Ten games. Nine games. That's not bottoming out like right now. Michigan's in trouble.” ([24:42])
• Colin sees the value in mature, experienced coaches for stabilizing programs, but also notes the need for energy and adaptability in the NIL/transfer portal era.

4. Raiders’ Uncertain Future and Tom Brady’s Role ([11:40]–[14:01])

• Jason asks: Could the Raiders "blow this whole thing up" given a disastrous season with potential for #1 pick and complex ownership/leadership situation?
• Diana Rossini: “I actually want more Tom Brady. I think that's what Vegas needs, more input from him and more of a presence. I think that's important. Think about if you’re just a Raider, you're a young player, and Tom Brady's walking around your building—how different are you behaving?” ([12:16])
• She highlights Max Crosby’s centrality to the team and pitfalls if his buy-in is lost during upheaval.

5. Bills and Sean McDermott: Is It Time for a Change? ([08:37]–[10:31], [36:09]–[39:20])

• Buffalo’s perpetual “almost” status: “You have Josh Allen in his prime and you continue to dance, but you don't go to the big one, right?” ([38:50] – Diana Rossini)
• Rossini and Colin both express that, despite being a stable, well-run team, the Bills may have plateaued under McDermott, particularly against rosters with more offensive firepower.
• Colin: “With Josh Allen, I kind of watch. Stafford gets McVay... Mahomes has Reid, Bo Nix has Payton... It feels like a little bit of an advantage over an older defensive coach.” ([37:57])

6. Rams-Falcons: Playoff Implications & Roster Construction ([27:28]–[30:18])

• Rams seen as Super Bowl contenders: “Like, I could see them winning the Super Bowl. I think the combination of having two legitimate number one receivers with Puka and Davante... and then Matthew Stafford playing at a level that we didn't even know, he can hit another level.” ([27:49] – Max Crosby via Jason McIntyre)
• Jason McIntyre points to Rams’ motivation to win for better draft position and aggressive coaching style: “They're going to be aggressive. They're going to have an aggressive game plan. You want to hand Atlanta a loss here in Atlanta.” ([28:36])
• Falcons, meanwhile, are in trouble with Raheem Morris on the hot seat, limited talent, and playoff hopes fading.
• Colin: “Are they definitely beating the Eagles on the road? Definitely? Are they definitely winning in Chicago?” ([30:06]); highlights the razor-thin margin for NFC contenders.

7. Defensive Coaches: Can They Still Win? ([18:38]–[21:27], [36:09]–[39:20], [43:20]–[45:03])

• Colin repeatedly suggests offensive coaches are the NFL’s future, but young, adaptable defensive coaches (Flores, Saleh, McDonald, Ryan) have a place—provided they’re innovative and can connect with players.
• The success stories of young defensive coaches are balanced with skepticism regarding retreads or old-school types who don’t adapt.
• Colin (on Saleh): “Salah is doing the most with very little. That’s why I think he and Brian Flores and Mike McCarthy would be at the top of my higher list.” ([43:20])

8. Historic Examples: Patience with Early Struggles ([44:04]–[45:03])

• Jason McIntyre: List of coaches who started terribly but became dynastic (Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, Dan Campbell, etc.), suggesting that patience is sometimes warranted with new coaches, though cautioning against blind optimism.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Diana Rossini on Marcus Freeman (04:21):

  “There were at least four other teams I know poking around on Marcus Freeman… some have a coach currently in place.”

• Jason McIntyre on Saleh and Flores as top coaching candidates (06:32):

  “If you gave me three guys to hire in this next cycle, I would do Salah Flores 1 and 2. I think they're great.”

• Diana Rossini on Accountability and Giants’ next coach (07:22):

  “To me, that's got to be the word on the board in the meeting room with these coaches. Can you hold players accountable?... Accountability was really... the biggest flaw in that building.”

• Colin Cowherd on hiring trends (19:37):

  “If you're a defensive guy, you gotta be young. I would say Brian Flores... Salah... Mike McCarthy... then a bunch of guys like Chris Shula…”

• Diana Rossini on Tom Brady and the Raiders (12:16):

  “I actually want more Tom Brady. I think that's what Vegas needs, more input from him and more of a presence.”

• Jason McIntyre on the NFL job market (10:31):

  “I think there's like an average of five head coaching openings every year. Right? So we've got the Giants, the Titans. I'm expecting at least four more on top of that...”

• Max Crosby’s take on the Rams (27:49):

  “Like, I could see them winning the Super Bowl. I think the combination of having two legitimate number one receivers with Puka and Davante... and then Matthew Stafford...”

• Diana Rossini on McDermott and Bills’ ceiling (38:50):

  “You have Josh Allen in his prime and you continue to dance, but you don't go to the big one.”

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [04:21] Diana Rossini discusses Marcus Freeman’s NFL interest and Giants’ coaching options.
• [06:32] Jason and Diana debate Robert Saleh and Brian Flores as top coaching hires.
• [10:31] Jason predicts possible firing wave and number of NFL vacancies.
• [12:16] Diana shares views on the Raiders’ need for more Tom Brady influence.
• [19:37] Colin outlines his preferred defensive coaching candidates for NFL jobs.
• [21:27] Colin and Jason assess why Marcus Freeman stayed at Notre Dame and what could lure him away.
• [24:42] Jason and Colin analyze Michigan hiring 66-year-old Kyle Whittingham.
• [27:49] Max Crosby (via Jason) says Rams are his Super Bowl favorite.
• [43:20] Colin debates the future of defensive coaches and the impact of young, contemporary leadership.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a smart, dynamic examination of the state of NFL and college football coaching—why offensive innovators are reshaping the league, how franchises are approaching looming vacancies, and what traits matter in a head coach today. The hosts and Diana Rossini provide strong opinions on the careers of Marcus Freeman, Robert Saleh, Brian Flores, and others, and offer perspective on the limits of “old guard” approaches in both college and pro football. For fans keen on knowing who’s next to be hired—or fired—in the NFL and how the league’s top minds think about leadership, this episode is essential listening.

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[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, I appreciate that you stay cynical through the entire year here with just a few days left in 2025. Look, the new York Giants were not the only team who were interested in Marcus Freeman. So I get what you're saying. That lines up for why he would perhaps not be interested in New York. There were at least four other teams I know poking around on Marcus Freeman. And when I say poking around because some of those teams have a coach currently in place. Right? Which makes sense because there's only two available head coaching jobs right now on the table, that being the New York Giants and the Tennessee Titans, who, you know, both organizations definitely had plans of bringing Marcus Freeman in and New York made the most sense. There's. There's some connections there. And I do think in terms of what the New York Giants are looking for, Marcus Freeman lined up with that. Because back to the conversation we had every time this year, right? Leader of men, what were we talking about last year, this time of year as well? Leader of men. Who were those people? And we see how that has fared. So what does this leave New York now? Okay, so you got Jeff Halfley, the Packers defensive coordinator. You have Lou Anna Rumo, the Colts defensive coordinator. He interviewed for the job before and did very well, from what I recall. I could see him, you know, having a really good shot at getting this job. Brian Flores, did you see that clinic that defense put on against the Detroit Lions at home on Christmas Day? I know the New York Giants were watching. I was down on the sideline for that, Colin, and it was incredible. And I talked to Flores actually at the game about his future, and he's like, look, I'm happy here in Minnesota. I love being part of this organization. We'll see who calls. People are going to be calling. I can tell you that. Organizations have Brian Flores on their board. Chris Shula in LA, right? Anytime you're around Sean McVeigh, anytime you have a name like Shula, it's a good thing. And he has done a tremendous job with the defense that wasn't supposed to be this good. And they're spectacular.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. I would hire Brian Flores in one second. I think Brian Flores is really one of the sharp guys out there. I like him a lot.

[Diana Rossini]

Let me throw this name out for you for the New York Giants, just for your reaction. This isn't a name on their board. I just want your feelings. Robert Sala back in New York.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, I thought it was a huge mistake when Salah got fired. They were going to Buffalo, and if they won, they'd be tied for first. I thought it was egregious when they let go of him. I also think you could argue the jets, it's quicksand. Darnold couldn't win there. Nobody can win there. Like, Aaron Rodgers looks better. I. All I know is if you gave me three guys to hire in this next cycle, I would do Salah Flores 1 and 2. I think they're great. I don't know Shula well enough. I always feel like so much is McVeigh magic. Everything he touches is great. So I just think Brian Flores in Minnesota and Salah high energy, kind of intimidating, like a guy's guy, a player's player. Kind of an alpha thing. I love. I don't know. The big. And Marcus Freeman, I thought's great, but he is a college guy, not a pro guy.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. And here's the thing with Salah. I do think he is a good mix. He's obviously a fantastic defensive coordinator. Look at what The San Francisco 49ers are working with and look at the performance that they've been able to do it week in and week out. Is it pretty? No.

[Jason McIntyre]

Right.

[Diana Rossini]

It's not perfect. You know, he's sitting there like, how am I going to make this work? But I think he's done a really good job of just rallying those guys. And I think for an organization like the New York Giants, that lacked accountability. To me, that's got to be the word on the board in the meeting room with these coaches. Can you hold players accountable? Right. Because some of the knock that we had on Salah when Aaron Rodgers was there, remember we said you had a. You had to have a very specific characteristic in order for that to work with the Rodgers. Right. And we see that in who? Mike Tomlin? It's working great. You see that in who? Arthur Smith. Right. Arthur Smith's another name that I think is going to make some rounds here once again to get an opportunity. Because Arthur also has a really good, obviously offensive mind, but he's not scared of these players. He is not scared to go up to the best guy on the team and say, yeah, that's not good enough. And that's what the New York Giants are looking for. Because accountability was really. It was the biggest flaw in that building.

[Jason McIntyre]

So we were talking about this during the break, and I think I've been saying this three years, is that when you look at Philadelphia against Buffalo, Philadelphia has got a lot more good players and it's not close. Buffalo has a superstar quarterback, a very good left tackle, a nice running back. So my take is Denver could bounce out Buffalo in the first round. Jacksonville could, New England could. And my take is there. Very rarely is there a great job opening when Matt LaFleur got Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, late prime. That's a great job. That is a great. Harbaugh getting Justin Herbert Vrabel getting Drake May and that owner. Those are really good jobs. Buffalo loses round one, gets whacked. Diana. I don't know. That feels like to me, that's trouble, doesn't it?

[Diana Rossini]

I know what you mean. I don't think you're wrong. I don't think it's. It's a lock for sure. I Mean, how, how could it be, right? You have Josh Allen in his prime and you continue to, to dance, but you don't go to the big one, right? And it just seems like they don't have the makeup that they need to get over this hump and this has to be it. And look, this is not to be defensive of Buffalo, but look what Josh is working with, as you just pointed out. Look at that Philly offense, look at that roster compared to Buffalo's roster. And yet Josh Allen is staying in these games and almost winning it. I mean, if he makes that pass there in the end zone and it's to the right just a bit, you know, it's, it's game over. And look, you, you, I, I don't want to question Sean McDermott, but first of all, this is a head coach who was against the Tush push, right? They run it twice yesterday. And then on top of that, you already see the fact that this Philly offense isn't clicking.

[Jason McIntyre]

Right?

[Diana Rossini]

They did not have a good day. Right. And to go for two. I understand the confidence, the belief in Josh Allen and your offense, but big picture in that moment, I'm not, I don't necessarily agree that that was the right call. And I know that's of course, very easy for us to say on Monday when, when the catch isn't made, but yeah, that, that is certainly going to be one of the teams that we'll be keeping an eye on depending on how this shakes out. But, you know, next week it could be busy. You know, I know we talk about this a lot. Like, I think there's like an average of, of five head coaching openings every year. Right? So we got the Giants, the Titans. I'm expecting at least four more on top of that. Right. So that, that puts us at six. And we're not even talking about some of these teams that are going to be dancing in the playoffs. Right, because there's always one or two head coaches out of that group. But, you know, the right owner, the quarterback, shows how much success and how you can be off on the right foot. Ben Johnson obviously nailed it. Mike Vrabel nailed it. That was an off season. That was. Look how we can reflect on that. Liam Cohen. Yeah, These three new head coaches are having spectacular seasons. I just don't think it's going to be as exciting this offseason in terms of the type of talented head coaches that are in this pool.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, so Mendoza is going to go to the Raiders. They need a quarterback. I actually said, I thought when you Combine Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly and Geno Smith. I said I picked him for fourth, but I said they could be a really interesting team. They could win seven games. They could be a spoiler late. It is a disaster. Now the disaster turns into the number one pick. So maybe everybody's brilliant and I'm not seeing the obvious stuff, but Tom Brady's not sitting around forever. They've got, you know, Mark Davis went out and took some money from other people who have a voice is there. Could the Raiders just blow this whole thing up?

[Diana Rossini]

Here's what I want to see happen. Okay? So obviously Tom Brady being part of anything in life is going to be good for you because the guy knows how to win. He's the best at what he does. He's been around football and he lives it, reads it, all of it. He's doing a lot, right? Like he's calling games. He has a family in Florida. He's in touch with people with the Raiders. He's got his eyes and ears on the ground there with people that are working with the Raiders organization. I just think this offseason I actually want more Tom Brady. I think that's what Vegas needs, more input from him and more of a presence. I think that's important. Think about if you're just a Raider, you're a young player, and Tom Brady's walking around your building like, how different are you behaving? How different are you acting? It's the grown up, the best at it there. And the Max Crosby situation, you know, I don't know who made that call, but you have to figure Tom Brady's thinking future. He's thinking about the organization as a whole, what's best for them. Max Crosby dealing with a knee injury going back to October. I know he's a competitor and he wants to be out there. I understand why they shut him down. But that being said, Max Crosby is the best thing going for the Raiders. He's setting the example, the standard. If you lose Max Crosby, you think things are bad now in terms of the Raiders and what they're about and what they believe in and how compatible he. He's the thing that makes that place great. And if you lose him mentally, I. Those are my concerns. So if your question is they blowing this thing up, how could they not look at this coaching staff and go, it has to be better because what it is now, it just. It discombobulated, right? It doesn't. It's not in sync. You don't even know what the raiders are. It's December 29th. What are the Raiders? I have no idea.

[Jason McIntyre]

Diana Rossini, this, this next three months for you is crazy town. So I know like you got a big family here and you're very, very busy, but we love having you on the show. You bring great energy and insight and I appreciate it.

[Diana Rossini]

Thank you. You know, everyone always says, ah, you're so busy in season. I love the season. It's football, right? My job starts like January 7th is actually when my job starts. It's like playoffs, coaching, hiring, free agency. We're off and running. Either way though, this is, this is a blast.

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This is the Herd line news. All right, let's quickly revisit the Marcus Freeman staying at Notre Dame situation. Obviously NFL teams wanted him, he did not consider any of them. None of them are good jobs. I don't care what people say about the Giants. Colin, that's not a great opening, okay? They got a lot of work to do. Freeman's got a great setup. The quarterback was excellent. He's back. I know they lose a couple running backs to the draft. Notre Dame will be right back in the playoff mix next year. As you noted, the schedule is very favorable. Yeah, I will maintain that. Freeman and you know I have some good Notre Dame connections. Freeman's not leaving for an NFL job unless it's Harbaugh, like, oh, Justin Herbert is your quarterback. Yes, I'll consider that. That's when Freeman will go. These guys don't need to take on a rebuild. Freeman's got a lot of kids. He's got. His family, loves the area. It's going to be tough to pry him out of South Bend unless it's a plum job.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know, I hear this from a lot of people. Oh, being a college coach these days, you don't have to recruit. You just. It's transactional. If you're Notre Dame, your brand gets you about half your class. Another 15 to 20% you write a check for, and then you got another 25% you go high school games. But I mean, I, you start looking at what I follow. USC recruiting. It's not like Lincoln Riley's at a different high school every Tuesday or every Friday night. The bottom line is these college jobs. Now, that's why Kurt Signetti and, and Kyle Whittingham, the older coaches, well, they're older. You're not. You're not at high school games 200 days a year. It's very administrative. It's very Bill Belichick. I don't know if it works or not. Bill Belichick would not have worked in the college football 10 years ago. I would never hire a 66 year old 10 years ago. Kyle Whittingham, come on. Michigan recruits. Half of the class is based on the brand of Michigan. A quarter of the class you write a check for and a quarter of the class you got to go to high school games. So I think Freeman, I think these top college jobs are pretty good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I'm with you. You made an interesting point there. The older coaches, you know, the. Can you teach an old dog new tricks? Yeah, yeah. When Nick Saban's been coaching for 30 years and then gets upended by this nil stuff that suddenly balances things out. Yeah, it's going to be a little challenging. He's not going to love it. Marcus Freeman's a young guy, Colin. These young people adapt. My son told me a year ago, dad, you need a YouTube page. So I start a YouTube page. I don't you think I want to get in the weeds with that. But you got to follow the trends. Marcus Freeman's young, he's adapted well. As you said, Notre Dame recruits itself, I think without a doubt he's in a plum spot. The only college job my Notre Dame connections have told me to watch out for if it comes open is Ohio State. That's the one Freeman would consider leaving for. Obviously that's an amazing job. People can do their homework on that if they want. Next up, Colin. Let's go also to college football. That's Kyle Whittingham, obviously going to Michigan. Bit of a surprise. He is 66 years old and there's some concern about that. But you know, he'd been at Utah for 32 years with the program, so now he's going to Michigan. And obviously at Michigan they asked him about one school. Here's what he had to say. I do now, I guess, but physicality.

[Jason McIntyre]

Will be our calling card. You know, Utah, the place I was, we were the most physical team in the league. You know, whichever league we played in, that's not going to be any different here. Yeah, I mean, here's my thing for the people that push back. He is 66. Let's say he stays for four years and that's kind of how I view it. You will. He is a Big Ten coach. Even when he was at Utah, they had the number one defense in his era. They played Big Ten level football. Utah plays a lot of cold weather games. I've been to several. He's a very good fit, I think. Let's say he stays for three years. They win nine games. Ten games. Nine games. That's not bottoming out like right now. Michigan's in trouble. I say the same with Matt Campbell at Penn State. Is he the best candidate? He's a good candidate. So in the other thing is, again, he's in 466. Not all 66 year olds. Nick Saban is 67 or something, isn't he? He's got great energy. So I think in today's nil transfer portal world, Michigan's got great endowment. They've got a lot of lettuce, a lot of money. This is the kind of job that I think a 66 year old guy in great shape can handle. I think it's a three to a four Year gig and I think he serves himself well. Very ethical, no nonsense. But he's not a nine year coach. That's not what it is here. You just all AD should always keep a short list in their drawer in their office. And you know, every year you go out and just say, how you feeling? How's it going? But if Utah with Underwood the quarterback for the next two years.

[Colin Cowherd]

That was my question. You're up on Underwood staying for sure.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes, yes. And so you're going to get Whittingham's defense and special teams, which were great at Utah. You've already got the magical quarterback, Marsh the wide receiver. So Michigan offensively, next two years, they got NFL guys. Yeah, he'll stabilize the defense, the operational functionality of the team. I think It's a very B plus solid. Higher. If Whittingham was 56, I would consider it an A higher. It's 66. Maybe it's B plus because you don't. None of, none of us have the energy. Nobody has the energy at 66 or 50. If you're the same guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sometimes you like to say, like if you had a defensive coach and it flops, you go the opposite and get offensive. Well, in this case, Sharon Moore, you know, he's a kind of a. He was in crazy town, as you like to say. Stories about him. DMing only fans, models. Yeah, the guy's a mess. You got a class act in winning him. Who's going to clean up the program? Kind of a mature individual. They need that. I think it's a good hire. I mean, it's not as good. I don't think it's Penn State getting Campbell, but it's like you said, a B plus.

[Jason McIntyre]

Final story.

[Colin Cowherd]

Colin, let's go to tonight's game, Monday Night Football. Not a lot of juice here. Rams, Falcons. I took the points at eight and a half. It's down to seven. Rams obviously cannot win the NFC west, cannot get the number one seed. Somebody decided to ask Max Crosby of the Raiders who he thinks is the team to beat for the Lombardi Trophy, and here's who he said, the Rams.

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[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I think they should be the favorite, if they, you know, tonight. Here's the thing to remember about tonight. If you don't think the Rams have anything to play for. The Rams have two first round picks. You know their first first round pick. It's Atlanta's.

[Colin Cowherd]

The players don't.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Players don't. The coaches do.

[Levar Arrington]

Right, right.

[Jason McIntyre]

They're going to be aggressive. They're going to have an aggressive game plan. You want to hand Atlanta a loss here in Atlanta. I think next week plays a pretty hot Saints. Atlanta has two more losses and that 1112 pick becomes an 8. Don't kid yourself. Rams, if they can pour it on, they will. They want that Atlanta pick. McVeigh does because McVay knows you have to. An 8 pick, you can move down to 11 and still get your guy. If you have the 11th or 12th pick, you're not moving down. You're staying put.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, so what about the opposite? What about the Falcons? Kirk Cousins is playing for? Hey, I don't want to be a backup. Look, I've proven some stuff. Somebody come get me. And Raheem Morris, he's on the hot seat in Atlanta. I mean, they were supposed to be friends. Playoff team, they've been a disaster. I want. I think the Falcons, they need this game. Morris could be in trouble.

[Jason McIntyre]

They don't have nearly the talent. They. They need a lot of things. They're not beating the Rams. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Drake London sounds like he is going to play and we know Bijan Robinson's very good. Quick, quick. Sub subplot. Colin, is it crazy that like two weeks ago the Rams were up 30 to 14 on Seattle in the fourth quarter with eight minutes left, they had the number one seed. They were eight minutes away, up 16 points. And now there's. They're going to be like what, 14 and 3.

[Jason McIntyre]

6 seed.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're going to go on the road. I'm just telling you that I. I'm wor. I love the Rams, but everybody loves the Rams. Are they definitely beating the Eagles on the road? Definitely.

[Diana Rossini]

If they have to.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are they definitely winning in Chicago?

[Jason McIntyre]

I think they're winning in Chicago, unless it's a snowstorm. But they run the ball, so they'll be okay.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

J. Mac with the news.

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[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I looked this morning. The Rams, we thought they're the best team in the league. If they win tonight, they could be number one team in the league in most eyes. And right now they're. I think they're a 6 seed in the NFC. I mean, the NFC west arguably has the three best teams. Any order Niners, Hawks, Rams. It's the Herd.

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[Colin Cowherd]

And I, you know, Josh Allen, he's got to be kicking himself 99 out of 100 times he makes that throw. Guarantee it. It was kind of shocking to see him not make it. Now he's banged up, he's got a real bad foot injury. He, maybe he can't push off, feels the pressure, bad weather, all the stuff. But no, I'm, I'm in favor of, for that. And, and I, and I'd be in favor of calling the exact same play again in the exact same situation. I'd feel good about the quarterback making the play.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I know, I know I should be nicer to kickers, but I can't be the only person that watches games. And, you know, kickers miss like Pats. And I'm like, guys, you're not asked to do much. You got to make those kicks. I'm not asking you. I mean, I got guys in the league now that drill 56 yard field goals with 15 yards to spare. So you can't be missing Pat. I don't care what the weather is. Get it through college. Kids can do it. You're a pro, do it. So I'm sure the guy will get a job somewhere else. But the Bills were a circus this year on extra points and the Eagles block kicks. So do it. For the record. And I've said I don't like coaches getting fired unless it's a complete mess. You know, I said, nat Hackett, you're an offensive coach. You can't figure the clock out. This isn't going to work. Go be an oc. You know, these guys always get other jobs. I think the Sean McDermott issue. I had the bills number 10 in my herd hierarchy. Did you like that first half game plan at home? Can't score until six minutes to go in the fourth. I'm just kind of over it. I don't think Sean's bad. If the Miami Dolphins tomorrow, let's say that the Bills lose in the playoffs first round and the Dolphins hire Sean McDermott, I've always compared him to Chuck Knox. You can look it up. Very organized, very solid B plus across the board, bit conservative, doesn't quite have a feel for offense, but a grown up, mature, smart, clean it up. I would have no problem with Sean McDermott getting the Miami Dolphins shot. The Tennessee Titans job, he's a pro. But with Josh Allen, I kind of watch, you know, I kind of watch. Stafford gets McVeigh and you know, Aaron had McCarthy, Purdy's got Shanahan, Mahomes has Reed, Bo Nix has Sean Payton. It feels Caleb has Ben Johnson. I'm not crazy, right? It feels like a little bit of an advantage over an older defensive coach. McDermott's not that old. Here's Diana Rossini on just the Bill situation at head coach.

[Diana Rossini]

You have Josh Allen in his prime and you continue to dance, but you don't go to the big one. Right. And it just seems like they don't have the makeup that they need to get over this hump. And this has to be it. And look, this is not to be defensive of Buffalo, but look what Josh is working with, as you just pointed out. Look at that Philly offense, look at that roster compared to Buffalo's roster. And yet Josh Allen is staying in these games and almost winning it.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I mean it's. This league is interesting. You, if you go and look at the seven playoff teams in the AFC and the seven playoff teams in the nfc, the NFC and the AFC have sort of flipped for about a five year period. We thought the top of the AFC was dominant. It was Baltimore, it was Kansas City, it was Buffalo. And then about the six team on, you're like, well, the nfc, they're not super bowl teams, but they're good teams. It's flipped. I think the three best super bowl potential teams are Rams, Seahawks, Niners, and I keep Philadelphia close. Whereas I think the Denver, New England, Jacksonville, you can argue Houston. Are they super bowl teams or are they conference championship teams? Mike Vrabel's on the show tomorrow. I actually think, and it's weird that a 13 and 3 team is underrated. If you go look at New England this year, they played Buffalo, the team everybody loves, eight quarters, six of them, New England was better. And if they met again, I'd take New England. But what Vrabel's done is remarkable because it just goes to show how big ownership is. So when Vrabel took this job, everybody went, oh, this is a circus. I had Robert Kraft, I had Drake May, and I had Josh McDaniel's OC it's basically the Dynasty Patriots. And instead of Belichick, you have a former Patriot player, high IQ guy who shares some, some, not all of Belichick's principles. He's much more player friendly, he's much more current. I mean, Mike vrabel is a 2025 coach. Player friendly but demanding, doesn't pander. So he's on the show tomorrow. I, I think people now are short selling New England. The most remarkable thing about what Vrabel and his guys have done. One year ago, we thought New England had the worst receiving corps in the league. Then all of a sudden you look at Kyle Williams, booty Stefan Diggs. Now I look at him and I'm like, it's actually a, it's actually a really good big play, receiving core. Then they get Trayvon Henderson. Okay, now you have a big play, running back, room, Hunter Henry, good solid B plus tight end. So the stuff we looked at last year, it doesn't take long in this shoot in this league to correct problems. One year ago, we're like, they have no speed, they have no juice, they have no home run hitters. Now I look at their wide receiving core. There's three different guys that can beat you down the field if you go to the nfc. Boy, this gets interesting. You know, it's funny, like, oh, Seattle can't win a Super bowl with Darnold. Oh, really? Chicago, Caleb Williams. I don't know. I think the top of the NFC is unbelievable. But even the Rams, you don't love their special teams and you can beat them on the back end of that defense. I honestly don't know what to do with Philadelphia and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe San Francisco with Brock Turdi is the most dangerous team in the nfc. Maybe they, maybe they are. Here's Ben Johnson, Bears coach on Brock Purdy. First time he's faced him as head coach. He's a dangerous player, particularly when he can see down the field and have that much time. I agree with you. And then he extended some of those plays with his legs too, and he did a real nice job and we certainly didn't affect him enough. Yeah, I thought Chicago's defensive game plan felt a little passive. Purdy had the most time to throw. He's had all year in any game. Really the second most time he's had to throw in his career. Really. San Francisco's defense got worked, but Salah was mixing stuff up and, and in key spots was super aggressive. I didn't see that with Chicago. I didn't love what I saw. I I kind of felt like Brock Purdy just kind of picked him apart. And Dennis Allen didn't dial up. I mean, if he did, it wasn't terribly effective. That's what my eyes told me. Salah is doing the most with very little. That's why I think he and Brian Flores and Mike McCarthy would be at the top of my higher list. J Mac, for the record, you're a Jets fan. What do you, what do you do with a team that's been blown out in four straight games?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I've been waiting for you to come back to me on this. So, Colin, I have a list of coaches in the last 50 years who started out terribly and managed to turn things around. I do want to say this is not a defense of Aaron Glenn.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay?

[Colin Cowherd]

Dan Campbell, as you noted, started 313 and 12 years later was in the NFC title game. I know there's some context needed. Jimmy Johnson in Dallas started out 1 in 15. Three years later they had a dynasty. Yeah, Zach Taylor 2 and 14, I don't like Zach Taylor at all, but 2 and 14 first year. Two years later in the Super Bowl. Bill Walsh 2 and 14 hadn't done much prior to San Francisco. 2 and 14 within two years was in the super bowl, had a dynasty. And Chuck Noel, way back in the 70s started out 1 and 13. Four years later they started a dynasty. Now, I'm not saying Aaron Glenn is any of those guys. No, I'm just saying I don't know that I want to fire him if I don't have a surefire name ready. There's no variable like he was sitting out there for the Patriots. There is.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, there isn't. All right, there you have it. Aaron Glenn will be returning to the New York jets for another sensational season of zero interception. That doesn't even make sense. I had to triple check with the staff this morning. I had to Google that about four times. No interception all season. PCs powered by Snapdragon X Elite processors are made to go the distance with blazing fast performance, next level efficiency and multi day battery life. Snapdragon processors are built to tackle it all, from highlight reel editing to intense player research. So you can be at the top of your game wherever the day takes you. Learn [e-mail] laptops Snapdragon the heart of your PC. Battery life varies significantly based on device settings, usage and other factors.

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