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Doug Gottlieb
This is Doug Gottlieb from All Ball with Doug Gottlieb. Listen, I'm gonna get serious for a minute. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's sadly at an all time high. But it's gonna take all of us to stop it. I mean, we're all on the same team in this country. So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a time out against hate. Visit standuptoallhate.org to help and join me in calling for timeout against hate by following at what's up with Hate or posting the blue square emoji with Amex Platinum.
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Jonas Knox
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Jonas Knox
Ebay.
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LeVar Arrington
Things people love.
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John Middlekoff
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Jonas Knox
Now, let's get this party started.
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LeVar Arrington
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Wow, man. It is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. You can hear six and I alongside Brady Quinn weekday morning, 6 to 9am Eastern time, time 3 to 6am Pacific time. It'll just be Lebar and I taking you all the way up until the end of this show, which has one hour remaining here. And we're doing it all live here on the iHeartRadio app and on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. I did officially send out my happy Black Friday to Rob Parker on social media.
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Jonas Knox
So the way you say it, like, the way you just take. Racist, man. What do you mean just all the way? Just so forceful.
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LeVar Arrington
It's Black Friday.
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Jonas Knox
Oh, my gosh, Jonas, why do you.
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LeVar Arrington
Think Lee showed up?
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Jonas Knox
Everybody out there who doesn't listen to two pros in a cup of Joe. Lee Dilap, our producer, he. Well, that's his preference. So there you go.
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LeVar Arrington
Leroy.
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Jonas Knox
We call him Leroy the Lap at times, Leroy the Brown.
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LeVar Arrington
You know, by the. By the way, if you're a fan of dual purpose items, Ryan, who's on.
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Jonas Knox
The board, Be careful with this.
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LeVar Arrington
Ryan, who's on the board has a dual purpose hat.
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Jonas Knox
You always ask on, like, what. What you got your hat on for, man? Like, I know you got a baldy. You like to keep it warm. He said, well, I keep it on because I go to my second job after I finish up doing the boards. I said, well, what is it? My man pulled that bad boy down. It was a ski mask, right?
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LeVar Arrington
I ain't gonna lie.
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Jonas Knox
I ain't. I ain't the scary type. Hey, look at this, buddy Ryan, the scary type. But if he rolled up on me and that mask was down, I. I got. I mean, what do you want? What you want?
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LeVar Arrington
Like, he walked down the hall, I threw up my car keys.
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Jonas Knox
Okay, okay. Yeah, it's cool, man. Hey, hey, chill, chill, chill, chill, man.
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LeVar Arrington
Right? You should walk over to the Blue Dog just to get something to go and see what they do, to see what happens over There, walk into the wines of the world with that thing on. See whether or not they're still charging for stuff.
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Jonas Knox
They will be riding in protest.
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LeVar Arrington
All right, well, there could have been. Yeah, there could have been. Could have been some of that in Chicago if Matt Eberflusse was not let go by the Bears following that disaster yesterday. So that the news that broke hour one of the program here just a couple hours ago here on Fox Sports Radio, that Matty Berfluse has been fired by the Chicago Bears. First time in history of the organization they fired a coach in season, Thomas Brown, the offensive coordinator, who just recently became the offensive coordinator because they fired their other offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron. But Thomas Brown will be the interim head coach there for the Chicago Bears. And, you know, you just look at, you know, Maddie Brafluce's track record and like, there's just like some of the stuff people don't remember or recall. Like, just weird things that have happened during his tenure there. Like, you remember that his defensive coordinator, I think his name was Alan Williams, like, the FBI raided his house.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah, dang.
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LeVar Arrington
Whatever happened to that? Never. What was that raid about? Yeah, the FBI should have. I don't know, like, maybe there was some stuff on some computers or something like that. We never really heard from that. It was just, oh, well, you know, I'll just call plays. No problem here. It's like, okay, all right, I guess that's what we're doing. And then, you know, he hired Luke Getzy and then fired Luke Etsy and then he hired Shane Waldron. He got like nine games into the season and fired him. It just like this was the path that it was headed and it was going to happen after the season. And so now the conversation becomes, where do the Bears turn to? Next question.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah, you know, there was a lot of conversation. We were talking the last hour about Colorado and what Deion's been able to build and catching a tiger by the tail and lightning in the bottle. And there was a lot of talk and a lot of big name guys that are in media throwing out their Dion, going to Dallas, and so much so that Jerry Jones even got involved with the conversation and discussion. Is there the chance that another team looks at what the opportunity could represent, especially a crappy team, you know, and looks at it. Listen, Albert Breer says they're going to keep the guys around in New York. Okay, I don't. I don't see how that happens. There's already a job that's going to be open. That's probably maybe open for the jets in New York. Then you have Chicago. That's a big market. Cold market. Just, just came open. There's always the possibility Carolina could come. Come open. There are some. I mean, the, the interesting one is the Raiders. And if, you know, you listen to us and you know our show, you know, the current head coach is one of my closest friends and, and somebody that I play football with in Washington and New New York and coach Antonio Pierce. But I wonder, is that attractive? I know they're saying, oh, friends with Tom Brady. He just took over his minority stake. D. Um, what's my guy's name? Come on.
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LeVar Arrington
Mark Davis.
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Jonas Knox
No, no, no, Coach. The coach that played with him. Vrabel.
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LeVar Arrington
Yeah.
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Jonas Knox
Could be Vrabel that ends up being the guy because of the relationship with him and Tom Brady. But think about it. There's a relationship between Tom Brady and Shador Sanders and Deion Sanders as well, both Under Armour guys. I just wonder, is there somebody else out there that might be like, oh, good, Jerry, mess it up. Like, mess it up for yourself. Maybe you get rid of McCarthy at the end of the year. But you know what? We're already going to start convers conversations with Deion and see if we can have him in line to possibly come coach our franchise.
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LeVar Arrington
I would think that you would have to, especially if you're drafting Shador. You would have to have the conversation with Deion because, look, the Arizona Cardinals weren't going to move on from Steve Wilkes if not for the fact that they ended up with the first overall pick and they knew that they wanted to take Kyler Murray and they said, well, let's just bring in Cliff Kingsbury. He's familiar. We want those guys to work together. Why wouldn't you do that? So if you're drafting number one overall, whoever that is, and you need a coach as well, too, if you don't at least.
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Jonas Knox
Which by the way, pick up the phone, very better, start doing a little bit more than what he's doing in Washington because that, that shit might sail on him if you don't get them. Get, get, get Jane Daniels pushing that ball downfield a little bit more than what he is.
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LeVar Arrington
Yeah, it's. It's not been the same offense or same team over the past Steeler game. Yeah, I don't know what happened in that Steeler game, but there was just something that went, went sideways there.
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Jonas Knox
Pete Prisco tried to blame it on me. I know that's where you're trying to go with this, trying to say that I'm like, I'm the cursed on, on the Washington commanders. I am not the curse. Have they lost every game since? They have not won a game, including the game that I went back to after like 11 year, 12, 13 year hiatus from, from being around there like.
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LeVar Arrington
One of the 80 greatest commanders. And you showed back up there and, and they haven't won a game since.
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Jonas Knox
No. I don't know. I got my W hoodie on today.
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LeVar Arrington
That's right.
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Jonas Knox
You know, that's something that would never happen. Maybe I have cursed them.
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LeVar Arrington
I don't know.
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Jonas Knox
I don't know. I do tell people though, Joe Gibbs was at the Dallas game. He was at the last game. So, you know, blame it on him too. Don't, don't just, don't just look at me and blame it on me. Blame it on anybody who shows up at the game.
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LeVar Arrington
So to your point, on the coaches and the coaching vacancies. So obviously, you know, the Raiders is something that could open up. We know the Bears have opened up. You've got the Jaguars, you've got like that could be opening up like you've got the Cowboys potentially, who knows? And Philly and Nick Sirianni, I find it hard to believe, but not where.
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Jonas Knox
They'Re at right now.
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LeVar Arrington
That's not going like it just, you know, we'll see how that plays out.
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Jonas Knox
But be an epic drop off for Sirianni at this point. They're trending in the right direction because.
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LeVar Arrington
The question was posed to Albert Breer earlier, like, hey, so you know Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel, Belichick, like when it comes to Chicago, the most recent opening, where do we stand?
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Albert Breer
I mean, Ben Johnson, I think if you'd asked him a year ago, it might have been the job he wanted. I don't know if that's going to be the case. The same way they're in division with them, obviously, you know, but, but I, but I know he had interest last year, so I think that's possible. And like, I do think they've got the infrastructure where he can just coach. I, I'm a little less certain with Belichick and Brable. I think the job in a vacuum would, would appeal to Belichick and I was able to. The question is like, you've got Kevin Warren as a team president, you got Ryan Polls as a general manager. Like, how does this whole thing look under variable under Belichick? Because unless they're going to be able to shape the organization a certain way, they may be hesitant to go there. You know, you look at a Ben Johnson who's, you know, ostensibly the first time, first time head coach, going to go there, Chester coach. And I think it really could be a very attractive job with Caleb there and the roster they have in place and everything else, you know, for guys like Vrabel and Belichick who may have like a more, I guess a more, a more global look at like how they want to set up the entire organization, unless those guys are being. To make some, some bigger changes than just who's going to be on their coaching staff. I think they, they're, they, they could wind up balking at the idea of it.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah.
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LeVar Arrington
Where would you. Of the potential openings? Where do you have the Bears with Caleb Williams at quarterback? Because it is attractive, but it's dysfunctional.
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Jonas Knox
It's dysfunctional, man. And you know, you ask yourself the question, if you bring in a guy like I went through being in a dysfunctional organization and they brought in a guy like a Bill Belichick, some people may remember the name Marty Sotenheimer. They brought in Marty. Marty came in and started to fix and clean up things that he saw that were issues and problems, problems for the organization. And the organization didn't take kindly to it and he was relieved of his duties after one season there. Now, I asked myself the question when I think the relevance of me making that point is that how many teams would Bill Belichick go to that would be okay? Because here's the thing. The teams that are going to be in need of a coach are teams that are struggling. And some have clearly defined that they are dysfunctional organizations. If you bring in a guy like Bill Belichick, who's going to identify the things that need to be changed are some of those things that need to be changed, including you as an owner, you as, you know, this person that's a decision maker. So maybe somebody who's a little bit more obscure and not as recognizable a name, but nonetheless are part of the dysfunction in the organization. How uncomfortable will, will they become if you brought in a guy like Bill Belichick, a guy like Mike Vrabel, who they do have a very strong presence and a strong idea of how things are supposed to be done? Will that be a one and done? Because it's like, okay, well, we brought you here because you did what you did in New England or you did what you did in Tennessee, but we don't want you to necessarily do it where it impacts us and affects us. And that's a very, very difficult proposition to put a coach Especially a coach that has coached at the level that Bill Belichick has coached at. Does he have the type of patience to want the paycheck, want the ability and the opportunity to coach, but be coaching under those circumstances, I just don't see that taking place.
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LeVar Arrington
I can tell you this right now. Get ready for people to start throwing out Lincoln Riley as a potential. Like, hey, if you want to get the most out of Caleb, who got the most out of him? And you and I both know in this town.
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Jonas Knox
But would it be as an OC or as a head coach? Because he, it's not like he's been blowing the doors off of people with being a head coach.
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LeVar Arrington
But Cliff, But Cliff Kingsbury wasn't either.
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Jonas Knox
OC left as an OC though.
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LeVar Arrington
No, but he took the head coaching.
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Jonas Knox
Job in Arizona, but he left his last gig as an oc. He's an OC in Washington.
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LeVar Arrington
As a head coach, he wasn't all that hot and wasn't that good.
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Jonas Knox
He wasn't that good in Arizona.
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LeVar Arrington
So, yeah, I just, look, I would.
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Jonas Knox
Find costing my boy a job. You know what I mean?
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LeVar Arrington
I mean, Rabel Belichick, like there's going to be some candidates. Ben Johnson's a first timer.
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Jonas Knox
So I just think, okay, there you go. Like when you throw out names like Ben Johnson, I like, I like that, I like that. This, this NFL is changing. The players are changing, the personalities are changing, how you lead, those things are changing. It's all changing.
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LeVar Arrington
I love Rabel though.
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Jonas Knox
I just think some of these names that we're throwing out, I think Vrabel's name is a name that could stay in circulation actively where you could say he's a guy that can relate to the players. This is more of a player coach, relationship driven league more than ever. That's where we're at. We're not in a disciplinarian, we're not in an old school coach. We're not in a. I can't identify with you, which is interesting. Like I just heard A.J. brown talking about how they solid with, with Sirianni as a coach. They support him, they feel good about him. But yet you had outside world sitting there saying it's everything but that. These coaches that connect with their players on a personal level, whether it's Andy Reid more so as the uncle or the dad, the father figure, or if it's like you're my boy and like a Kyle Shanahan or a LaFleur or a Mike, you know, Mike McDaniel, these are the type of coaches that are getting results. Dan Campbell, he's a player's coach. He played the game. A lot of these guys played or have been around it. So to me, I'm, I'm to the point now where I'm like, I don't want to hear these old ass names. I don't want to hear you talk about Bill Belichick, talk about somebody who's new, talk about a young talent that's, that's coming. Like, like we mentioned, Ben. Talk about new guys, new blood, new ways of approaching this because that's what it's going to take to find success in today's new NFL. With today's new NFL players, it's the.
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LeVar Arrington
Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. By the way, your guy Jaquan Brisker, that's my dude. Sent a tweet out shortly after the news of Matt Eberflusse being fired. Jaquan Brisker is a safety for the Chicago Bears. God don't make mistakes.
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Jonas Knox
Dang. So dang.
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LeVar Arrington
Here we go. Here we go. It is, it is a circus.
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Jonas Knox
But the Chicago Bears did again.
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LeVar Arrington
All right, so coming up next here though, we are going to get into what is looking like, I don't know, a bounce back opportunity. A real chance for people to see what they've been coming for all season in the NFL. Are they still the best? We'll find out here shortly. That's next year on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Apple Card is the perfect card for your holiday shopping. When you use Apple Card on your iPhone, you'll earn up to 3% daily cash back on every purchase, including products at Apple like a new iPhone 16 or Apple Watch Ultra. Apply now in the Wallet app on your iPhone. Subject to credit. Apple card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch terms and.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah Come on man with the mask on. What up though? Growing up in The Hood years 1984, what was his store? Yeah yeah of the trade. Same old story and like she don't even know me. Come on now shouts out to a hype man.
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LeVar Arrington
Hell yeah.
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Jonas Knox
VAR MC8 baby. You stupid. So stupid.
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LeVar Arrington
It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin, by the way. Coming up in we'll call it about 20 minutes from now here from Fox Sports Radio and from lead to lab, it's another edition of the Herdline News that'll be yours to close up shop. We are going to look ahead here shortly to the game that will be taking place here. Top of the hour. That's going to be the Chiefs and the Raiders. We'll get into that for you. But I did want to get some reaction and a couple of, couple of of thoughts on the Miami Dolphins, who have now lost seven straight games when the temperature drops to below freezing. A kickoff. I'm surprised it's not more than that. I thought it would be more than that, but maybe they just haven't played in enough games to where that's the current situation. But Miami loses to Green Bay yesterday and you know, it's people are complaining. People are talking about kind of how they, how they handled the elements. Jordan Brooks of the Miami Dolphins, he had some strong commentary afterwards. He said this.
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Justin Jefferson
I felt like when we let the elements control the way that we played, I thought we were soft. Simple as that. I thought we were soft today. I don't know if guys was too cold. Like, I don't know what it was, but I felt like the elements played a part in how we played as a group. And so. And that was the results that we got.
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Jonas Knox
Ooh, look, we've heard soft before. Hey, Coach, that's it. Shouts out the draw. Mayo.
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LeVar Arrington
Yeah, I don't have to play in it. So it's easy to sit here and look at it. Just like it was easy to sit there and look at what happened in the playoff game against the Chiefs last year where Patrick Mahomes had his helmet crack and you had people get frostbite and lose limbs because the elements were so much. And the Dolphins had to play in that. But. But it does feel like this is an issue.
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Jonas Knox
And Tua's record is horrible. And cold weather, man, it's horrible.
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LeVar Arrington
The Dolphins haven't won a playoff game on the road since the Seahawks were in the afc. Like, that's how long it's been since they won a playoff game on the road. So I'm looking at Miami and like, I like Tua, I like Mike McDaniel. I the offense is fun and it just keeps coming down to the same conversation, which is, yeah, but if they've got to go on the road and play in the elements, they're screwed. Like, it just feels like that's where we're at with them. So if you're the Dolphins, I don't.
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Jonas Knox
Understand why that would be. I mean Alabama has played in the elements. He's, it's not like Tua has never played in the elements and Tariq played in Kansas City. You know some of these guys, I mean they came from, you know, the, another receiver from Alabama. You know, you got guys that played at Penn State. You know, I mean there's cold weather guys on the team. What is the reasoning behind them not being able to win in the elements? I like I said at the top of the show, when you were watching that game, you saw the cheetah and other guys, they went out there, they didn't have on clothes, like it was cold. They went out there and they represented themselves like look, we going to go out here and we're going to treat this as business as usual. I thought the problem that at the Miami Dolphins ran into was that they played against a better team.
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LeVar Arrington
Well, there's that.
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Jonas Knox
I mean like can we not, can we not bury the lead here with what took place in that game? Let's see, you went out there.
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LeVar Arrington
You.
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Jonas Knox
Had every intentions of executing a game plan that was a winning game plan and you ran into a defense that had boast a very, very good defensive front. Rashad Gary is a grown ass man. He's like one of the most underrated dope football players on the defensive side of the ball that you will come up on. And he consistently is one of those teammates that makes everybody else raise their level, raise their level of play. And then you look at Jordan Love and Jordan Love is what you would call a guy, a guy that is proving every single day why he's the guy in Green Bay. He, he's the, he's the replacement of Aaron Rodgers, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. As you mentioned, he got hot last year. Wasn't a great overall year, but he got hot at the right time. And he has not turned back. He has not turned back. And you've seen a team they got, they have a nice developing rapport with, with the receivers. There's a lot of receivers there. You pick. They say they don't have a one receiver. Doesn't matter by committee. They're pretty good Jacobs at the tailback position. I hate to say it cause I'm such an Aaron, Aaron Jones fan. He's an upgrade great pickup. He's an upgrade pickup. And so I think that this team, this team overall is one of those teams that man like you look at them and you say, okay, it was the wrong time, wrong place. You could blame it on whether if you want to, but it was the right place. If you're a Green Bay fan, because that's a good team, you lost to a legitimate contender in. On the NFC side.
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LeVar Arrington
We've got to wait to see how these. The seeding works out. But assuming Detroit holds on to the number one seed, which, if you're looking at the last couple of weeks for the Lions, you know, Indianapolis, they were in control. But, you know, you can argue that the Bears losing was the bigger story of that game against Detroit, and then, you know, firing their head coach the next day afterwards because of it. But, like, you look at Detroit, and I go, man, I would give Green Bay a shot against Detroit. I'd give them a puncher's chance against Detroit in the postseason. You've already played them twice. Like, why not like Minnesota? I give Green Bay a better shot than I do Minnesota, and there's a chance that Green Bay finishes behind Minnesota in the standings and they're going to have a lower seat. I look at it, I go, yeah, Green Bay is a good football team. And Miami, just like, if you're a Dolphins fan and you're looking at, man, am I ever going to see my team win a Super Bowl? Here's what you need to go in your favor, all right? You need either home field advantage, or if somebody does get home field advantage, it's somebody from the AFC South. So you're playing either Jacksonville in the same state, or you got Houston in a dome or Indianapolis in a dome. Tennessee, you know, I don't know if they're getting a dome, but, you know, we'll figure that out. And then, you know, if the Raiders potentially make a run and you gotta go on the road in the playoff game, like, that's a possibility. The Chargers as well, too, although that's like a gazebo, not really a stadium. So, like, it's still kind of cold in there also. Or you just need to hope that Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes don't exist. And if that happens, the Dolphins could be a Super bowl team. Like, that could really, really happen for them at some point down the road. As it stands right now, I just. I can't imagine a world where that's a Super bowl team. I can't. They can't even win a playoff game, dude.
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Jonas Knox
They're. They're not, like, so. Not yet. They're not there yet. They have the talent. They have a lot of talent. And for what it's worth. They have the talent at the coaching position as well, I believe, but they, you know, there's the. There's the ultimate conversation of how far can you go with Tua? Tua. You know, it was interesting. I saw. I think I saw a couple players pull up when. When they went to hit Tua.
- [31:29]
LeVar Arrington
Oh, really?
- [31:30]
Jonas Knox
I started asking myself, do you want to be the player that's like, oh, he hit him. Oh. Like, you got to live with that.
- [31:39]
LeVar Arrington
Oh, yeah.
- [31:40]
Jonas Knox
You know what I mean? Like, I saw on the sideline the one time, like, the way they. He, like, it was like, wait, hold on, man. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There was a couple times I saw. I saw him get contact and it was like, the f. Is that. What are you doing? It didn't look. It didn't look like they were looking to. To thump him. It looked like it was like, I'm here and. And I'm gonna get to him and I'm gonna touch him and make sure he's down. I. I don't. I saw it a couple times. I mean, I counted at least two or three times I saw where a guy could have. Could have hit him, and they didn't hit him.
- [32:21]
LeVar Arrington
I mean, every time he takes a hit to his head, his hands turn into chopsticks, bro. Like, I. I don't. Like, maybe people are looking at that.
- [32:27]
Jonas Knox
Guy like, I don't want to hit him.
- [32:28]
LeVar Arrington
I don't want to.
- [32:29]
Jonas Knox
I don't want to be the one that hits him. And I. Again, listen, it is what it is, but how far can you go before either Tua goes down and gets hurt and you gotta win without Tua, or.
- [32:41]
LeVar Arrington
We saw how that works out.
- [32:44]
Jonas Knox
You gotta figure it out. You gotta figure it out. Like, to me, I think the biggest question that they gotta answer is, what do you do moving forward as it applies to your quarterback position? You gotta figure it out.
- [32:54]
LeVar Arrington
Yeah.
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Jonas Knox
Cause that's a. That's. That is a. That's going to happen. It's going to happen again. No, that's not me being, you know, cynical or trying to put something on. Put evil on. On Tua. It's just. That's a reality. He moves around. He was moving around in that game yesterday. He gets touched and he gets hit, and there's going to be somebody who comes to hit him that their intentions are bad and he's going to get hit. So where is that? Where do you go from there? That's a big question. I think that's the biggest question they Got to answer in Miami, by the way.
- [33:32]
LeVar Arrington
You strike me as Levar Arrington. You strike me as somebody who, if you were playing and you saw Tua, you would lay up a little bit. Like, is that true?
- [33:41]
Jonas Knox
Or I would never lay off.
- [33:43]
LeVar Arrington
Yeah.
- [33:44]
Jonas Knox
No.
- [33:45]
LeVar Arrington
You acing him.
- [33:46]
Jonas Knox
Ace him. You gonna have to go. You're gonna have to come scoop him up. Active Lavar is different than the radio. Lavar Active Levar. I had a built in ski mask. My ski mask was already on. I got woke up with a ski mask on. That was my face.
- [34:06]
LeVar Arrington
Lavar's got to it like he's P22, that mountain lion that popped across the.
- [34:10]
Jonas Knox
101 and got running straight over. Straight over. And, and, and, and what?
- [34:17]
LeVar Arrington
I think I can make it.
- [34:19]
Jonas Knox
Zero, listen. Zero. Zero remorse. Zero bad feelings. Zero regret. Zero. Oh, man.
- [34:29]
LeVar Arrington
Oh.
- [34:30]
Jonas Knox
In fact. In fact, I'd be celebrating the.
- [34:36]
LeVar Arrington
So the Chiefs and the Raiders are kicking off here in, you know, a little over 20 minutes from now.
- [34:42]
Jonas Knox
What's up, Brett and Nation, baby.
- [34:45]
LeVar Arrington
And I'm just wondering, are the Chiefs ever going to look like the Chiefs this regular season?
- [34:50]
Jonas Knox
Why do they have to look like the Chiefs this regular look? We looking at Andy Reid on and Patrick Mahomes doing their, like their State Farm commercials right now. They're big time. They're big time. Why? What they got to look like something else for how many losses they have 1. 1.
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LeVar Arrington
Uno.
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Jonas Knox
How many wins do. How many wins the Giants have? One more. One. More than one.
- [35:19]
LeVar Arrington
It's. It is kind of funny because they haven't. Like, this is probably Patrick Mahomes. I would say Patrick Mahomes worst year as a pro. And yet there's nobody you trust in the postseason more than Patrick Mahomes, that they're just going to somehow figure this out. Like, somehow they're going to like whatever they've put together this year because the defense is playing well and you've seen the defense carry them at times. But last year, like Mahomes talked about it going into the season, this year that, yeah, we won a Super bowl last year. But it was. It was difficult. Like, there were times Travis Kelsey having meltdowns. Remember on Christmas Day, on Christmas Day last year, the Raiders beat the Chiefs.
- [35:56]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, they did beat them. Yeah.
- [35:58]
LeVar Arrington
And so here we are, week 13 of the regular season, and they're still trying to find their rhythm. And it still doesn't look as smooth. As smooth as it is.
- [36:08]
Jonas Knox
I don't. I think they have a rhythm. I think they have a rhythm. I think if you're looking at it where you want them to be as explosive as they've been. And like the opening, the opening show, you know, when they first popped onto the scene and they had the cheetah there and, and they started winning and, and doing what they were doing. It gets harder and harder to be a team that dominates at the pro level. So the fact that they've had to deal with loss, they've lost some of their best players through the years. They've. They've maintained guys like, like Jones and, and Momes. They've. They've maintained core guys. But the bottom line is they have gone through changes. And just because you go through changes doesn't mean you can't win. It just means that things may change the way that, that they're, they're happening. You don't have Tariq Hill taking the top off of a defense and doing the things that we've seen him historically do. With Kansas City, they brought in DeAndre Hopkins. He looks like a very nice possession receiver, a nice addition to what it is that they're doing. Pacheco's been hurt. They haven't had him. They got Kareem Hunt back. I think that that's one of those backfields. I mean, while looking at Detroit and saying that that's the best backfield tandem in the National Football League, let, Let Pacheco get healthy and him and Kareem Hunt being that same backfield, that could end up being your best tandem of running backs in the league. And it could be a small period of time. Doesn't matter matter. You get them for the playoffs, you got both for the playoffs. That could be a dangerous duo in the backfield. You got receivers worthy is. Is getting great reps because guys are out hurt. You know, Rashid, Rashid Rice is. He's not, he's not coming back. So you see guys stepping up. You're not going to see particularly the. The team and the smoothness, as you say, that you would have seen in years past, the explosiveness on offense. People can say what they want to say about Eric B. Enemy. You don't have E Enemy anymore. That could be a part of why they're not as explosive. But nonetheless, they have continued to figure out ways to play at a higher level than the opponents that they're playing against. And really, at the end of the day, what else is there to it? Is somebody going to catch up to them in, in this year's playoffs? Maybe so, but who is it? I'd say the one team that can do it is Pro. The two teams, probably Baltimore and the Bills. And the Bills. I throw those two names out there and say that those are two teams that can do it. Now, if we're looking at the NFC side of it, who can stand up to them on the NFC side? I would say right now, today, who I'm looking at definitively, I think that obviously the Detroit Lions can stand up to that and can match the physicality of up front and, and handle things in the running game and do things on defense in the passing game. But also, I look at a team like Philly, they're trending in the right direction. They're trending in the right direction. The NFC north is like, take your pick.
- [39:27]
LeVar Arrington
The thing about that makes it so much fun to talk about is you've got the Bills and you've got the Ravens, and I would agree with you, both those teams are capable of beating Kansas City, yet every time there's a tight game between them, they lose.
- [39:44]
Jonas Knox
It's K. Like, it's Kansas City that finds a way to win.
- [39:46]
LeVar Arrington
It's just every single time.
- [39:49]
Jonas Knox
And I hate to say it because people always want to give it to Patrick Mahomes. It's generally, it's generally Spags defense that's giving them the edge.
- [39:57]
LeVar Arrington
By the way, why isn't Spagnolo gotten any love for a head coaching job?
- [40:01]
Jonas Knox
I don't know.
- [40:02]
LeVar Arrington
I mean, how long ago was that stint he had with the Rams?
- [40:04]
Jonas Knox
It's been a while.
- [40:05]
LeVar Arrington
Like they were in St. Louis.
- [40:07]
Jonas Knox
Been quite some time.
- [40:08]
LeVar Arrington
Like. Like he's. He's repaired his. I also wondered this because there's been some speculative. Because they threw this out. Matt Nagy, we talked about him earlier, former Bears coach, the OC in Kansas City, that there's been talk that he's going to be a guy up for some interviews. People are going to look at him because you go back and you look at his run in Chicago and you go, oh, all things considered now, you know, actually pretty impressive. He took him to the playoffs twice. If you're Matt Nagy, why wouldn't you just hang out in Kansas City until Andy Reid walks away?
- [40:37]
Jonas Knox
I mean, if I'm Spagnola, that could be what he's doing.
- [40:41]
LeVar Arrington
Yeah. Like why? Why even.
- [40:43]
Jonas Knox
Maybe that's the reason why. Which is the original point of what you're saying. If I'm Spagnola, why would I, Why would I move? I was with. I was with Andy Reid. People may not realize this. I think I, I think he was the, the defensive backs coach. Something like that he was with Reed and Philly. They were, they go way back. They go back together. Which by the way, that's a dope ass coach that, that Andy Reid had in Philadelphia. He had spags, he had hardball, he had what's my guy that just finished coaching the Washington Commanders last year? Rivera. Rivera was their linebackers coach.
- [41:25]
LeVar Arrington
Was there.
- [41:26]
Jonas Knox
They had Gruden, they had Jim Johnson. Was it Jim Johnson? What is his name? He passed away. He's the defense coordinator. Yeah. His amazing coordinator. Defensive coordinator.
- [41:34]
LeVar Arrington
Yeah. Spags was with Andy Reid and Philly.
- [41:37]
Jonas Knox
Bro, that, that coaching staff was for a few years crazy good. If I'm Spags, I stay put because I know my defense knows what I want. We, we make big things happen. We're a part of, we are almost, if not the biggest reason why this team continues to win and let Patrick Mahomes and Andy get all of the credit. But we'll keep doing what it is that we're doing. And then, man, you're going to be like, Specs took over for Kansas City. Like, oh, Andy Reid stepping down. Oh, it's going to Spags. Like, I could see that very easily happening.
- [42:10]
LeVar Arrington
Get to work with my homes and.
- [42:11]
Jonas Knox
Then, and that would most likely be the reason why he's not actively pursuing other jobs elsewhere. He don't have the, the, the Runway to go somewhere else and try to, you know, kind of, you know, experiment with it.
- [42:24]
LeVar Arrington
Yeah.
- [42:25]
Jonas Knox
I think it comes down to the familiarity of everything that's around him. And if he were able to get the keys to, to the car in Kansas City, you don't change a thing. You don't change a thing. You just keep doing what you do.
- [42:36]
LeVar Arrington
It's the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Cullen. Coming. We are going to close up shop with another edition of the Herdline News. And we've got an update on some numbers we threw at you earlier in the show. You can go ahead and wrap things up. You can present it now. We'll explain what that is. It's a football conversation. Football story for you here on the Herd next FOX Sports Radio.
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Jonas Knox
Be sure to catch live editions of.
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LeVar Arrington
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Jonas Knox
Get get get get up.
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LeVar Arrington
It's the herd. Fox Sports Radio, Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin here. By the way, if if you've liked any of this show, couple of things. Number one, we are on with Brady Quinn weekday morning, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 Pacific. It's called Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. So you can check us out. We'll be on every single morning.
- [48:19]
Jonas Knox
Hell Jo, even on tomorrow.
- [48:21]
LeVar Arrington
Yeah, so is var you gonna be on?
- [48:23]
Jonas Knox
I'm not on tomorrow.
- [48:24]
LeVar Arrington
Oh yeah. Cause you got Penn State, baby.
- [48:26]
Jonas Knox
Go watch this Penn State game. Flying out tonight.
- [48:29]
LeVar Arrington
Nice and warm, 18 degrees.
- [48:31]
Jonas Knox
Gonna be very very cold.
- [48:35]
LeVar Arrington
But if you like anything you've heard, you can listen to us during the week. 6 to 9am Eastern time, 3 to 6am Pacific on two pros.
- [48:42]
Jonas Knox
You can get me on Instagram. By the way, I'd like to get my followers up if like 100, 202,000 of you want to follow me. I'm King of the Mammals on ig. Yeah at King of the Mammals. Damn right. What's your. What's your handle? You don't care on ig.
- [48:57]
LeVar Arrington
Yeah, just Jonas Knox.
- [48:59]
Jonas Knox
But you use Jonas Knox on the X, though. Everybody comes to you on the X, so make sure you check them out on the X at Jonas Knox.
- [49:06]
LeVar Arrington
Well, it's at the Jonas.
- [49:08]
Jonas Knox
At the Jonas.
- [49:09]
LeVar Arrington
Or some would say the. The Jonas, depending on who you ask.
- [49:13]
Jonas Knox
Bam.
- [49:14]
LeVar Arrington
By the way, I know that sounds kind of toolish. Well, I. So I have the other one, but I can't get into the account. It's a whole mess. So, Elon, if you, you know, like, I know you're busy right now helping every. Everybody else out. If you could just help me out with that, I'd appreciate it. We'll get that sorted away. But also, if you've missed any of this show, you can check out the podcast, Search two Pros or Heard. Wherever you get your podcast, be sure to also follow, rate and review it again. Search two Pros or Heard. Wherever you get your podcast, you'll see today's show posted right after we get off the air.
- [49:43]
Jonas Knox
No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
- [49:46]
LeVar Arrington
This is the Herdline news. All right, lead the lab. What do we got?
- [49:50]
Ryan Seacrest
All right, guys, we've been talking about it all day because the games have been on live. The Heisman race, the Heisman watch. If you guys want the numbers here, I got some live updates from DraftKings. We got Travis.
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LeVar Arrington
Did Travis score another touchdown?
- [50:02]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, he's got two touchdowns today.
- [50:03]
Jonas Knox
Oh, it's over. Yeah, yeah, it's over.
- [50:05]
Ryan Seacrest
Meanwhile, Ash Ashton Gentee's at about 185 with one touch.
- [50:10]
LeVar Arrington
Wrong year, baby. Wrong year.
- [50:12]
Ryan Seacrest
Yep, wrong year for him. Right now he's sitting at plus 1800, second place for the Heisman, while Travis Hunter's at minus 8000.
- [50:19]
Jonas Knox
Huh. But can't be up for the Thorpe Award. Huh. Interesting.
- [50:24]
LeVar Arrington
Yeah.
- [50:24]
Jonas Knox
Okay, what else? What else you got?
- [50:26]
LeVar Arrington
I mean, it makes sense.
- [50:28]
Jonas Knox
Does it make sense?
- [50:29]
LeVar Arrington
Not really.
- [50:29]
Jonas Knox
Okay.
- [50:30]
LeVar Arrington
But, you know, this is. This is what happens when you let writers and people get as much power as they have to be able to dictate somebody getting awarded and rewarded for certain things.
- [50:43]
Jonas Knox
Oh, okay.
- [50:44]
LeVar Arrington
I mean, it's the same. Look, why is Mike Shanahan not in the hall of Fame?
- [50:48]
Jonas Knox
Doesn't make any sense. Why is he.
- [50:50]
LeVar Arrington
Doesn't make any sense. You know, Robert Kraft, there's. You know, he's. He's not going to the hall of Fame again, either. It's just you let people vote on these things, and occasionally.
- [50:59]
Jonas Knox
Who's supposed to vote on it then.
- [51:01]
LeVar Arrington
Writers, reporters, people in the media, you know. But what do I know?
- [51:05]
Jonas Knox
I never wanted anything.
- [51:07]
LeVar Arrington
What else we got, Lee?
- [51:08]
Ryan Seacrest
Guys, we have another alternative broadcast announced yesterday during the Dolphins packers game at halftime, they announced that Peacock will be doing the first ever Madden NFL cast. This will be between the Chiefs and Texans in week 16 on a Saturday. It's basically teaming up with Genius sports Next Gen Dave, combining the real time data insights with fully branded animation. It's a new immersive viewing experience. Obviously, we know the Simpsons game is coming up in a Monday, a week.
- [51:36]
LeVar Arrington
From Monday, a maddencast. So you play a video game and the game is on.
- [51:42]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, there's going to be live stats. They're going to try to predict the plays. Coming up, Chad Ochocinco is going to be part of the broadcast. A bunch of different animations basically over overlaid on top of it.
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LeVar Arrington
I mean, all right, if only they had, you know, Mike Tyson's punch out during the Tyson ball fight, that would have made it more interesting. So if we're going to do video games, let's go ahead and pair up them all and make this whole thing work. What else, Lee?
- [52:08]
Ryan Seacrest
Well, it is the season of giving. Kenny Dillingham, the coach for Arizona State, got a $200,000 bonus for winning his ninth game versus BYU last Saturday. He has dished it out to all of his staffers. They've received bonuses between 5 and $10,000.
- [52:23]
LeVar Arrington
Forks up Kenny.
- [52:24]
Jonas Knox
You see, that's super cool.
- [52:26]
LeVar Arrington
And look, he's, you know, he's appreciative of the holidays and he likes, you know, talking to people on the holidays. He likes, you know, responding to their text messages and reaching out to him and that's nice.
- [52:36]
Jonas Knox
Can you and Q be giving too?
- [52:38]
LeVar Arrington
What do you mean?
- [52:39]
Jonas Knox
And hook me and Leah for the holidays, please.
- [52:42]
LeVar Arrington
What do you mean?
- [52:43]
Jonas Knox
Put your bonus money. Thank you.
- [52:46]
LeVar Arrington
You think I got bonus money?
- [52:47]
Jonas Knox
Hell yeah. And you get time and a half today. Hell yeah. You get some of that?
- [52:53]
LeVar Arrington
No, I don't think so.
- [52:54]
Jonas Knox
Hey, man, look, not I. Come on, man, keep everybody happy.
- [52:57]
LeVar Arrington
Not I.
- [52:58]
Jonas Knox
You got cats running around with ski mask on because they got to make a little bit more money.
- [53:02]
LeVar Arrington
Like, come on, man, listen.
- [53:05]
Jonas Knox
Some of that bonus money.
- [53:06]
LeVar Arrington
Listen, the Dolphins, I had the Dolphins plus three and a half yesterday and that was the last leg of a three team parlay. I needed that one to hit so I could hit my parlay. And of course they just craft themselves in the cold. I don't know why I bet that. But now I've got to go back in and take more money out of my son's, you know, his second account savings. I mean, you know, from his baptismal party. You know, he's got his first communion. Money I gotta get into now.
- [53:35]
Jonas Knox
It's just a little. Love it, man. You sitting on millions over there, man. Talking crazy about having no. No chips.
- [53:41]
LeVar Arrington
Not at all.
- [53:42]
Jonas Knox
You got chip and dip.
- [53:43]
LeVar Arrington
Not at all.
- [53:44]
Jonas Knox
Hope all y'all enjoyed your Thanksgiving. And if you didn't hear from me, it's not because I didn't care about you. It's just. I just don't want to send out all these messages for Thanksgiving. But I hope you enjoyed your holiday. Yeah, on. On everything.
- [53:55]
LeVar Arrington
It's a good football weekend, rivalry weekend and college football.
- [53:59]
Jonas Knox
Ohio State. I hope you lose Michigan.
- [54:03]
LeVar Arrington
I hope you go big Chiefs, Raiders in like five minutes.
- [54:05]
Jonas Knox
I hope. I hope the Raiders win one more herd.
- [54:09]
LeVar Arrington
The herd streams 24 hours a day.
- [54:11]
Jonas Knox
Seven days a week within the iHeartRadio.
- [54:13]
LeVar Arrington
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Jonas Knox
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LeVar Arrington
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John Middlekoff
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Jonas Knox
We got the table. Yep.
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LeVar Arrington
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Jonas Knox
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LeVar Arrington
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LeVar Arrington
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John Middlekoff
You're at a bar looking for a new beer when you smell a citrusy aroma.
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Jonas Knox
It smells like sunshine and oranges.
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John Middlekoff
You see the bartender pouring a beer that looks refreshing. Only one problem. You have no clue how to pronounce the name Jai alai.
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Jonas Knox
Is that even English?
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John Middlekoff
The bartender is now heading your way.
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LeVar Arrington
As you're about to order nice cold jaiali.
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John Middlekoff
You hear, Can I get a high lie? Hi Li the best beer you probably can't pronounce.