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Hayes Gottlieb
Now let's get this party started.
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Doug Gottlieb
You're listening to Fox Sports radio. What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd on the first day of the NCAA tournamen. I'm gonna do something here that we hadn't planned on doing. I know, like Ryan music and Greg. Two years and they're going, what? What? We got this whole set up. Ryan. Ryan's sitting there. Hey, dude, just don't talk about Star wars like it's any. The new ones are any good. Ryan's our resident Star wars aficionado. I just. So I'm. I'm 10 months into being a head coach in college. Okay, let me start with the opening statement. It's the coolest thing ever. And look, this is coming off a year where my team lost 22 games in a row and like new and inventive waves of getting hurt bad officiating. Hey, we had some bad game plans. We just had some bad games. We had some great games that we had won and we just couldn't close like, you name it. And I'm watching High point take on Purdue. They're down five with 15 and a half to go in the second half. I'm watching Creighton and it's getting a little tighter. It's 12 point game and it's. The High Point Purdue thing is really, really interesting because despite what our record is through, just about every one of those games, we weren't just competitive. You know, we're down a point to Oklahoma State. We're down, I think, a point to Providence at the half. We're down a point or two to Ohio State at the half as well. I think we might have been more down more to Ohio State. We cut that thing to eight in the second half. The Drake game was tied with four minutes to go. Drake's really, really good. And then you go into our conference and, you know, we had lead after lead in the second half and it's. It's just, it's. There's so much you don't know on the outside. And I'll be interested to see as I watch these games, how many teams that are underdogs or have younger players, how much they do some of the things that, that we've done. Right. I'll give you an example. We have tried. We tried to milk the clock in some games. We had leads in two. You have any idea how you do that? Because I know Tui because he. His kids play basketball and baseball, whatever so in college basketball, the clock runs on a made shot, but the shot clock doesn't run until you touch the basketball. So. And like we played Oakland and Greg Campi at the end of the year and we were up 14 the second half. Don't ask me how we lost. Like, it's a, it's like a, it's like a fable. I'm like watching it happen. It's hard. But we had taught our players to, hey, we have a lead. Like we did the old milking thing. Like we're going to milk, which means they make a basket, you let it bounce. And then we did everything from like guys will tie their shoes to guy taking the ball and bounce, finally touches it, throws it to the ref, ref throws it back to him. If you do it, think about this, okay? There's on average we're playing 65 possession games, right? So if you can milk 10 seconds off of a clock for five or six possessions, six possessions, that's two less possessions for the other team, two. And you start to do the math and you have the lead and you're like, okay, you have a 10 point lead, two less possessions. Those are massively important. Massive. There's other parts of the math where when we had seven fouls, if they had a sub 60% free throw shooter, we would, I'd sub players in who didn't play that much to intentionally foul those players. Again, using the math, when you say somebody's a 57% free throw shooter, they're not 50. Like, well, they'll make one of two. That's not actually how it works. Like 57% chance of making each one. Right? So we would, we would do the math in, hey, you know, normally you'd go two for one. We try and go three for two where you'd foul and then get the ball. And then if you'd make or miss, foul again, make or miss and then go again. So the more possessions you have, the more the, you play the. It's called PPP points per possession. You're trying to use math to give yourself every possible advantage to winning a game knowing the other team's got better players, right? And the more possessions they have, the more likely they are to win because they got better, older players. They're going to be better or more efficient and oh yeah, by the way, probably better coaches too because they're older, more experienced, they've done all these things. But I'm watching, you know, High Point and Creighton and the High Point coach used to coach at Creighton under Greg McDermott. And so there's some aspects of it, but the way in which you coach and do the exact same things when you have the lesser talent or the lesser experience or the shrink shrunken bench can change dramatically. And then the other part to it is, and I, I've always thought this and then when I covered the NCAA tournament, I knew it to be true. Which is a lot of these games, if you don't, you're not paying attention or you're just gambling. You look at the final score, you're like, oh, that game was a 10 point game. Like, well, not really. It was a one point game. And then this, this and this happened and it spun out of control. It got to be seven, they fouled late. It ends up being a 10 point game. Like I don't know what this ends up as with Purdue and High Point, but right now it's 47, 41. Purdue just got called for an offensive foul. It's very much a close game, Very much a close game. Now your margin for error is really, really slight. When you're playing against a Purdue team that has five players on the floor that played in a national championship game last year and they've played, you know, 50 some odd Big Ten games the last two years together, counting the Big Ten tournament, you look at the game so differently when you've been truly in the game, truly in the game. The other part to it, which is I would love, and no one actually really knows, I would love and I would love. Oh man. Here's another example. 47, 41 High Point drives in, misses a layup, misses a layup. If they make that layup, it's a three point game. It feels like a completely different basketball game then. Now a. Excuse me, it's a six. It would have been a five, it would have been a six, it would have been a four point game. Now it's a six point game and let's say Purdue scores here, then it's eight. Now sudden it's feels completely different. The other thing we would do again, and that's probably exactly what's going to happen, other thing we would do is, you know, you have a, you have a timeout every four minutes in college basketball. So for example, right now there's 12 minutes and 59 seconds to go in the second half. High Point just fouled. And so Purdue is going to go to the line. So if you're High Point, you want to go and try and obviously want to score, you got box out in the Free throw, Go down and score. Get a stop. Go down and score. And then do you want to foul if you're not in the bonus in order to stop the clock to get that, get to that timeout so you can regroup yourself if you're fatigued. Does it make sense? There's so many different things in which you can manipulate, manipulate the clock and try and give yourself the best possible opportunity to win the basketball game. It does feel a little bit like the election. There's four minutes to go. I'm almost ready to call it for Creighton. Taking on Louisville. Taking on Louisville. They're up 14. There was just either an intentional or technical foul. That would be. Many people thought Louisville was underseated. I did not. I thought they were both sort of underseated, leading to kind of an even matchup. The point that I really want to at some point get to is there's always been a disparity in the haves and have nots in college basketball. It's why we have, it's why we have the Cinderella stories, right? A one bid league, A league that, that or a team that struggled in their regular season and then finally won the postseason and got there. But now it's, it's really interesting. I used this example earlier on the show. Tennessee takes on Wofford. Tennessee takes on Wofford. The Vols, which is short for Volunteers, take on the Terriers of Wofford. And did we come up. Was it 30 to 1? Okay, it's somewhere in the, let's just say 28. 28, like 2. Is that 280% or 28 to 1 in terms of the ratio? I would guess in terms of salaries of Tennessee's players to salaries of Wofford players. I just, I would love as we come down the end of the game now, High Point does by all estimations, it's a very well funded school. I think their nil number is probably close to a million dollars for their team, which is really, really high. Highest in their league. And Purdue's is probably two and a half to three. Two and a half to three. So you want to talk about upsets. It's one thing to upset a team because you're a team from the Big south or the, you know, the SoCon or last year the Horizon League. But to beat a team that has that literally poaches. I mean Kentucky is a perfect example. Their salary structure, all those guys make a lot of money, but what they did was it's like the Noah's Ark of Plants, they got two of everything. They got two centers, they got two point guards, they got two wings, two of everything. And the landscape of the sport has always favored the teams with more talent, the teams with more experience, the teams with more resources. But never more so than now. Never more so than now. And I, I. It will never happen. But what would it be like if you turn on CBS or you turn on Turner and you're watching the NCAA tournament And at some point they flashed up the salaries because it would feel like Major League Baseball. It would feel like the A's taking on the Yankees or the A's taking on the Dodgers or the Rays taking on the Dodgers. Right. That's really what we're dealing with. And I actually commend the committee, I commend the committee on. At the end of the day, while Oklahoma struggled in the sec, part of it is every game Oklahoma's playing against is against a virtual all star team of coaches and portal players. Like, I know for a fact that one team in the sec, I have a couple really good friends are SEC head coaches. And their salary structure this past year was, hey, we have a couple of $750,000 guys, and then the rest of our starting lineup is like $350,000. Okay? That is 30x to what we're spending at our level. And that's not an excuse, that's just a reality. Now, do we have to get closer and be more competitive in our own league? Of course. But I remember playing Ohio State and we're playing them in Columbus and we're playing them in a guarantee game and you know, they kind of fell apart late in the season. But I walked into the locker room, it was an eight point game and then they hit a couple of shots. It got to be 12 to 15. I emptied the bench, it kind of spiraled. The game looked way worse than it actually was. Was super competitive for about 32, 34 minutes. And one of my assistants, you know, put his arm around me. He's like, coach, that's a three million dollar team. You're like, yeah, it is. It really is. Wouldn't that be interesting? Again, it'll never happen. But if they put the salary just the overall, you don't have to put the individual salaries for players, but if you put the salaries for the teams on the screen when you're coming down the wire, here's Wofford, whose overall salaries in their nil collective is $210,000. I don't know. That's the number. I'm just Making that up, I'm guessing It's somewhere between 100 and 250. I have no idea where it lands. Take it on Tennessee, whose salaries total $4 million. Again, I don't know if it's four. I'm guessing it's between three and a half and four and a half. That's what it takes to be an elite team in college basketball. And they are an absolutely an elite team. How would you look at the game? How would you look at the, the chance of an upset? Who would you cheer for? What would it be like for you as a fan? It's just a question. I don't know what the answer is. That's how the landscape of sport has changed. I spoke to a couple of, I talked to an athletic director who's in the Big 12 and next year and again, I don't know if you guys know this, they're doing what's called rev revenue sharing, right? So football gets, I think it's like $13 million. And then basketball get between 12, two and a half and three and a half million dollars. You pay from the school, you pay the players. The difference is in the sec they're still going to have their collectives and they'll throw in probably two and a half million more $6 million payrolls, which is what Indiana reportedly had this year. So the reason these jobs are coming open more quickly than they ever have before is people have always donated money, but now they feel like they're donating money for players. I'm buying players for you. You need to perform and produce right now. And there's no question, I'm just be candid. I felt like there was a portion of time in the season when home games felt like more pressure because all of the people that sit right across from our bench, no matter how reasonable they were, that we got the job late, we had some academic restrictions, the portal was essentially fleeced. Right. It wasn't time or money or resources. And it's just hard. And we went with young players as opposed to getting guys with bad track records. But we know that no matter the amount, they're giving their hard earned money to, to try and help you, help you get a basketball team that can perform and you want to perform for them. It's different, more pressure packed than ever before. And I guess I just wonder two things. One, how would you look at it? And two, doesn't it feel like there's a greater gap in talent and in resources than there's ever been because they still have the new arena. They still have the practice facility. They still have the chartered planes. They still have the better gear. They still have more coaches, better training. They still have all those other things. And then they have all the money for their players, which isn't just at the top end, but those schools will pay freshmen six figures to not play, which gives them great depth at their practices. And if somebody goes down, they have the next guy up, whereas everybody else has to figure out, do I put most of my money in a player or two and what happens if that player or two go down with an injury? It's fascinating, and yet all people care about is the bracket. Creighton is up 12 with a minute 45 to go. Purdue is up eight with nine and a half to go. We'll keep you updated. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Herd. Hey, earlier this week, speaking of one of those elite teams, Bruce Pearl's been a friend of mine for 30, 25 years or so. And I don't know if you guys know I have a show. It's called the Doug Gottlieb Show. It follows this show on most Fox Sports Radio affiliates. I caught up with him earlier this week. We thought it was fun. We thought it was interesting. What's it like to go From a Division 2 coach coaching international champions champion taking Auburn to a final four and now being the hunt dead as opposed to the hunter? You'll find out from Bruce Pearl. Next in the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Doug Gottlieb
Doug Alibin for calling this is the Herd. Fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app. High Point Purdue is close. We'll get you updated on that one. Looks like Creighton is going to beat beat Louisville. So I can 10 point lead, 59.4 to go. I'm going to, I'm not going to call it. It's college basketball. Not going to call it, but definitely trending in the way of Creighton. Trending in the way of Creighton. More on that. We'll get you an update with Herdline News. But I wanted to bring you a conversation I had with Auburn head coach Bruce Pearl. Full disclosure, Bruce and I have known each other for years. My dad from 1975 to 1980 was head coach at UW Milwaukee. When Bruce took over that job, that was his first Division 1 job coming from Southern Indiana. Southern Indiana is now Division 1, but used to be Division 2. They won Division 2 National Championship. One of the first calls he made was to my dad to say, hey, like, how'd you do it here? What's it like? Anybody you know that's still around again? I know it was like 30 years later, but that's one of the things that you do when you get a job. And we're, we're, we're both Jewish. We're mishpuka. I actually got a chance to be his assistant coach on a team that went to Israel. I didn't make the trip because my wife had had a baby who just turned 16 yesterday. So this is 16 years ago, or actually 17 years ago. I did a training camp with him. We did roster selection, everything, and we've been really close friends ever since. So I hosted Doug Gottlieb show, which you can download and listen to wherever you download podcast. We have a daily podcast and radio show, three hours of content. Just type in Doug Gottlieb. And Bruce joined me two days ago and I asked him about the ever changing landscape of nil and college basketball.
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Hayes Gottlieb
Well, you know, Doug, it's the sec. Our slogan Is it sort of. It just means more. And the toughest league in the country is the one you're in. Okay, so when you were in the Horizon League this year at Green Bay, that was the toughest league in the country for you. And so what that means was we recognized that the SEC was going to be committed to supporting student athletes in the area of nil. Obviously, football is going to take the lion's share because of, you know, just how much revenue is driven from those football programs. But the basketball programs weren't terribly far behind. And the difference between our league and most other leagues, well, let's just say specifically take the ACC, for example. Really only Duke or Louisville or Clemson or a couple other schools were committed in the area of nil for their basketball programs and the others weren't. And as a result, their talent level dropped off. Still great coaches, still great programs. Whereas in the SEC, 16 schools invested. I mean, really invested. And yeah, you know, look, Doug, I still look at this as this profession as ministerial. You know, recruiting has become more transactional. At the same time, you know, I'm a free market guy. I'm a capitalist. I believe in this republic in this country, and I believe that, you know, the market is going to set what some is worth. And all, all that's happened is we have recognized finally that these student athletes are really of greater value than what they were really ever appreciated for. Everybody else was making money except the student athletes. That was wrong. The NCAA was slow to adjust. Now, of course, you know, we have a situation where there are no guard lines, there are no guardrails. We won't really have. We did not really have a national champion in football this year. Ohio State had the, as the law had the largest. So did Texas, so did a couple of schools. They were the schools that advanced. And you know, in basketball, it won't quite mean the same because. Because we're not all playing by the same rules. I hope Congress can get some legislation done, get some antitrust protection in there so we can pay the student athletes. But on, on a more, you know, on a. On a level that we're all playing.
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Doug Gottlieb
By the same rules, on one hand you get a top seed. On the other hand, you've lost three of your last four. I think that the only question with losing is has it adjusted or hurt the confidence level of the team into where you actually stand in the landscape? Do you know the answer to that?
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Hayes Gottlieb
I don't know. Great question. I don't know the answer to it yet, you know, but, but I don't think we're winning, Jesse, because we're confident and I don't think we've lost because we've lost our conf. Now we did miss some free throws in our last game against Tennessee. That would have made a big difference. Okay? And sometimes confidence, the free to line, you know, can, can be a factor. But the three teams we lost to, we lost to a four seed at Texas A and M. We lost to a 2 seed in Alabama and lost to a 2 seat at Tennessee. So we lost all, you know, really, really good teams. But all I can tell you is the practices have been good, the attitude's been really good and we're, you know, we're excited about playing and we're, you know, we're in a good position to finish this thing, right?
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Doug Gottlieb
Having been to the Final Four and come oh so close, right? Losing a just a crazy, crazy controversial call, you know, you've won this thing at the Division 2 level, but how do you not get ahead of yourself, right? Because I just wonder like you all, every coach has that. And even, you know, as players, you have it where you think of all the things you should have done had I done this, we would have won the national championship. How do you not get ahead of yourselves to game five and game six when you got to worry about games one through four?
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Hayes Gottlieb
Well, you know the answer to that. It's real simple. Right now I could only see four other teams in this tournament and that's Saint. For instance, in Alabama State, Creighton and Louisville. And we are in a tournament, we're going to play two games and one of those four teams or five, including Auburn, is advancing to the Sweet 16. And that's what we're focused on, truly what we're focused on. I'm not even sure what's next weekend. You know, I think Michigan, State of two. I think I was stated our bracket too, but I mean I'm really not looking ahead. I'm just taking a look at this right now and making our, making sure team is at the same time. But I will say this. I've never been a one seat. I was born to be a 12 seat, okay? That's that. I was born a 12 seat, okay? And so. But we do have a team that I feel like should get to the final Four. I'm going to feel like we should. I feel like we're good enough to. And what you would like to have happen is you would like along the way if you do lose, you would like for somebody to beat you, like, somebody really played exceptionally well, and as a result of playing exceptionally well, we lost. And that's like the position I put my team in right now.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, it is. It is weird, right? 20 years ago, you took UWM to the Sweet 16 right now, and you. And, and it was all. It was all, we're the hunter now. You're the hunted. That's.
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Hayes Gottlieb
That.
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Doug Gottlieb
That's an amazing kind of transformation, but it's, it's different for you. It's different for Auburn now. I, I. Auburn was a one seed. We played against him in the second round in 99. Chris Porter, Doc Robinson, Scott Poulson, I think was his name.
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Hayes Gottlieb
He lit Paulson a shooter. Yep.
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Doug Gottlieb
Oh, he lit us up in Indy. Really close game. We. We lost. But it's a, It's a different thing because. Because the crowd turns on you, right? Like, if you. That game is closed, all of a sudden you look up, you're like, hold on. Wait. Why. How do we get. How did this become a road game? Have you ever experienced. Have you experienced that yet in the tournament where you've experienced being in a road game, but when you're the favorite and suddenly the crowd turns on you because everyone cheers for the upset?
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Hayes Gottlieb
Yeah, well, we felt that way last year in Gonzaga against, Against. When we. Against Yale. Okay, but you know what? Hey, we're gonna have plenty of people from Auburn in Lexington. The crowd may cheer, the crowd may turn on us. That's fine. And I've been crush turned on me my whole life, so I don't care. I. Doug, Doug, I want to be. I want to be the coach that everybody else in the league hates. Okay? Because you know why they, you know when the road teams actually like opposing coaches? They like opposing coaches that can't beat their team. I'm going to bring a team in that's going to be able to beat you tonight. And I don't care if you like me or not. Get over it. And so I've been booed my whole life. That's like, I'm. My name is Bruce. So when I come out, they're already brewing me, and so I'm. I'm used to it.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right, I know you got to go, but I got two things. First, I'm thinking late October, exhibition game. We raise money. Hold on. We raise money for any Israeli cause you would like.
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Hayes Gottlieb
Okay?
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Doug Gottlieb
We get Mr. Gruber to sponsor it at the rest center, and then we go and we. And then we go in your. My treat. We go to Lambeau Field afterwards.
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Hayes Gottlieb
Let's, let's talk about it.
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Doug Gottlieb
Talk about it is a no. Give me a yes, Bruce.
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Hayes Gottlieb
Hey, listen, I, as you know, I raise, I try to raise a lot of money for Israel, obviously, but when it comes to Auburn basketball, I got to raise some money.
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Doug Gottlieb
Hey, we can do. We can do that. Hey, listen, we can definitely, we can definitely do that too. Last thing. Happy birthday.
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Hayes Gottlieb
Yeah, how about that? Hey, listen, when you become a senior citizen, do you stop celebrating birthdays? That's what I want to know. Because I'm now a senior citizen. My brandy makes so much funny. I'm getting all kinds of mail for Medicaid. I'm getting all these AARP cards. I now can get a senior citizen early bird discount. And being Jewish, I'm looking for all that. I'm looking for a discount on a meal or I'm looking for that senior citizen discount. I can say that.
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Doug Gottlieb
By the way, we know at your age, you're spitzing all over yourself. Bruce, best of luck. We'll see you in San Antonio, hopefully on the sidelines. Thanks for joining us. Happy birthday.
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Hayes Gottlieb
I miss you, my friend.
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Doug Gottlieb
I miss you too. All right, that's Bruce Perotler this week on the Doug Gottlieb Show. If you missed any of the Doug Gottlieb show, if you never heard of it, just download it, subscribe, rate, review all that stuff. Check it out wherever you pick up podcasts in the meantime. This is the Herd Doug Gottlieb in for call and let's get to Ryan Music with the news.
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Hayes Gottlieb
No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
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Doug Gottlieb
This is the Herd line news. Hello, Ryan.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, Doug. One in the books, my friend. One in the books. Creighton getting a win over Louisville. So one of the tournament round, first round games already done. Creighton advancing past Louisville.
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Doug Gottlieb
The winner gets Auburn, right? Likely. Auburn.
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Colin Cowherd
Likely. Likely.
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Doug Gottlieb
Likely.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, no guarantees. No guarantees these days.
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Doug Gottlieb
By the way, poor SIUE. Oh, they had to play Houston. They're down 40 to 18. Yeah, my guy, Brian Barone, good friend of mine. We actually beat siue this year. They were out of gas and we played them.
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Colin Cowherd
There you go.
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Doug Gottlieb
They were so tired.
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Colin Cowherd
Wins a win, Doug.
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Doug Gottlieb
I will take it. It was a 25 point win too.
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Colin Cowherd
There you go. Other games in action. Currently 3rd seeded Wisconsin 40 to 32 over 14 seed Montana at half. So that one a little tighter than I'm sure the Badgers would have expected. And then coming down the stretch here, a little under four minutes left to play, you have the fourth seed Purdue Boilermakers taking on 13 seed High Point Panthers. We learned that earlier, Doug.
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Doug Gottlieb
Panthers.
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Colin Cowherd
We learned that earlier.
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Doug Gottlieb
Such a mail in nickname. Right, Malin? Like, I actually my team's nickname was the Panthers, which I can think of. High Point. I know. Northern Iowa. Aren't they the Panthers? There's a couple of Panthers.
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Colin Cowherd
Right. Pit Panthers.
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Doug Gottlieb
Right, Pit Panthers. Yeah. I would propose a name nickname change. Bulldogs are only cool because you can have a bulldog.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Doug Gottlieb
Right. Like blue. The bulldog for Butler. Really, really cool.
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Colin Cowherd
Ugga.
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Doug Gottlieb
Ugga. The Georgia. Like, that's the only reason that otherwise that's kind of a male in nickname.
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Ryan Music
Little bit.
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Doug Gottlieb
Wildcat's the biggest male in nickname.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Just showed you that.
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Doug Gottlieb
Even Arizona's like, yeah, you're kind of right. You're kind of right. It's a high school.
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Colin Cowherd
What about cow? Golden Bear?
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, you know, it's like they had the bear on the flag. The bear flag for California.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Doug Gottlieb
And then UCLA is the Bruin, which is the other sort of bear. All right, I'll, you know, you have Baylors. I'll allow it. I'll allow it.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way. So as we were talking about, the High Point Panthers currently trailing Purdue 67, 58. So that is where things currently stand with the games. And then after that great conversation that you had earlier in the week with Auburn head coach Bruce Pearl, they're getting ready to tip off here in about 10 minutes or so. Maybe closer to 15 minutes. All right, here we go. Let's take a look at the NFL. Well, we know that the San Francisco 49ers lost a lot of talent that also including Deebo Samuel, who is a member of the Washington Commanders. Adam Schefter reporting that Debo Samuel had a little bit of a contract adjustment with Washington, giving him a fully guaranteed salary of 17 million for this year. A little bit of a bump off his previous contract that he was on on with the 49ers and reportedly a potential up to 3 million in incentives. How do you like this Debo fit in Washington?
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Doug Gottlieb
You know, here's what I like. I like that they can take that chance because they have their quarterback on a rookie deal for the next couple of years. And so, you know, you can go short term overpay for a Debo who's often injured and maybe not the guy that used to. But the other thing is it's like a. It's one of those pieces for Cliff Kingsbury that you kind of gotta like, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, absolutely.
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Doug Gottlieb
I can use him as running back. I can use my jet sweeps throwing the ball occasionally. Again, it's all about your position, salary wise. If you're Washington and you have an elite young quarterback, you get him another weapon while he's under, under that deal. And then once he has, once you re up him and by the time he re ups, it's going to be probably $100 million per year.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Doug Gottlieb
Then you're going to have to jettison a couple players.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, and to that point, obviously we see that everything's different in today's day and age of the NFL as the salary cap just continues to go up, up and up. Meaning that we just saw Jamar Chase get a contract of annual value in the $40 million per season range. So if you even get some modest production out of Deebo Samuel, who will be 17 million, you're in a good space. You're in a good space trip. Okay. And we talked a little bit about this earlier with the rule change proposals from NFL teams coming out around this time of year. The packers putting in a rule change to ban the tush push. Brotherly shove. This one coming from the Detroit Lions. Playoff seeding, they no longer want it based solely off of division winners. They want it to come down to record. Obviously. If we look back for this past season, here's what that would have meant. The three wild card teams, the Vikings, the Packers and the Washington Commanders.
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, two of them lost.
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Colin Cowherd
Correct. Would have been higher seeds than the Rams or the Bucks who each won their divisions.
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Doug Gottlieb
I'm gonna erroneous.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, you like the division winners?
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, I don't think there's a perfect system.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Doug Gottlieb
And I use the NFC north as the, the perfect jumping off point.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Doug Gottlieb
Why was the NFC north, why was the record better than everybody else in the nfc?
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Colin Cowherd
I'm guessing maybe something to do with scheduling for that particular year.
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Doug Gottlieb
Who they, who they cross over against the NFC west and the AFC South. The NFC west was down. San Francisco had all kinds of injuries. Rams just. Okay. Seattle was, was down. Who's the other team? And Arizona was just Arizona. Right. So I mean, you look at the Green Bay Packers, I know this because I went to seven of their home games. Right. They, they only won one division game and that was against the Chicago Bears when they, when, when Chicago doinked out a field goal to, to win the game.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Doug Gottlieb
But they went to the playoffs and I actually think Green Bay was really good.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Doug Gottlieb
But they didn't do it in division. They did it where they crossed over against, you know, they played Tennessee, who stunk. Indy, who didn't have a quarterback, Jacksonville, who wasn't very good. Houston, they beat at home. Great football game.
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Colin Cowherd
Went over the Cardinals.
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Doug Gottlieb
Went over the Cardinals, which was at home. Right. So the point is that the schedules aren't equal. So I, I don't, I don't think you can go by raw record. I actually think there's no perfect system and you're trying to. Much like everything else, when you're trying to make something that's imperfect perfect, you end up screwing up even worse. And that's right. Music with news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd line. Oh, the best for last is upcoming next. Wait to hear what Bronnie had to say. That's next in the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
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Colin Cowherd
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Doug Gottlieb
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Bruce Pearl
See you dad.
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Doug Gottlieb
New Instagram Teen Accounts Automatic protections for who can contact your team and the content they can see.
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Amartinez
Hey, it's Amartinez. The news can feel like a lot on any given day, but you can't just ignore las noticias when important world changing events are happening. That is where the Upverse Podcast comes in every single morning in under 15 minutes. We take the news and boil it down to three essential stories so you can keep up without feeling stressed out. Listen up first from NPR on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Doug Gottlieb
Doug Alfonso Hurt fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app are we ready to call this one for Purdue? It looks that way. My son Hayes Gottlieb's in the house. Happy 16th birthday to Hayes. He's calling it for Purdue. Maybe that's because he has him in the bracket, I don't know. Or maybe it's because it looks like they're gonna win Braden Smith Huge three that that seemed to solidify this thing. Creighton has already taken down Louisville. All the updates you need, plus all the sports talk you definitely need right here on Fox Sports Radio. All day long. Let's get to the Best for Last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope. We grind to the very last segment. It's time for Best for Last. Best for Last takes us to the Lakers where Bronnie James said, I see everything that people are saying, but I just take it. I just take that and use it as fuel. Kurt Highland, who writes for Basketball, talks as Brian, has improved the season but still has a ways to go, especially with his shot. He was always a long term project. Quote is from Bronnie James My first thought about everything is I always try to to let it go through one ear and out the other. Put my head down and come to work and be positive every day. But sometimes it just feels. It just fuels me a little bit. I see everything that people are saying and I feel like I'm an effing robot. Like I don't have any feelings or emotions, but I just take it and use it as fuel for me to go out, wake up every day, get to the gym, get my work in, watch extra film every day and be better every day. That's what Rob, that's Polinka wants me to do as a young guy coming in, playing in the G League and learning from far. It should be afar on the bench watching the Lakers play. His numbers have improved, right? Struggle with his field goal percentage was in the 30s and 20s. 30s from field 20s from 3 in the G League. He's up now, I think to the 40s and 30s in the G League, which is, which is in fact improvement. It's, it's, it's going to be fascinating. He hears what people are saying. I, I love the. Using it for fuel, right? That's smart. Use it. You have to use all negativity for fuel. And I have no doubt that it's got a few, like a lot. I actually have a tremendous amount of empathy and understanding for Bronnie in what he's trying to do and how much he has to feel like the weight of the world is on him. That's why I suggested, and of course they're not taking my suggestion that this season he goes and plays for like LeBron's high school teammate, best friend, who's the head coach at Duquesne. Go there, get buckets, improve, then go. But LeBron didn't want that. Didn't want that. So the issue has never been, at least for me, that Bronnie shouldn't want to improve. And again, I don't know whether he can ever get to the point to where he's a legit NBA rotation player or even a legit NBA end of the bench player. He's not to that point yet. And Cart was put way, way, way, way before horse. And again, if we're honest, I think anybody who has any jealousy, it's not over. It's over the fact that why would he get this opportunity to develop when he's never been viewed as that level of prospect. Never been viewed as that level of prospect from. In real NBA talk. But none of that actually matters now. Now that he's in the G, now that he's on the Lakers bench, it's just about, can you do the work, can you make the shot and can you get in the like. Look, here's what's really hard. When you get to the NBA, the rules are More difficult, you know, eight seconds to get across mid court, deeper three point line, shorter shot clock, wider lane. Hey, and oh, yeah, by the way, you're playing against the 450 or 449 best players in the world, and you're doing it usually in a shorter period of time than you've ever done it before. Most guys come in from college or high school, and they played most the whole game. And now you got to come in like, hey, dude, in two or three minutes, you got to change the game and guard your guy. Hit an open shot. That's incredibly difficult. It takes years upon years to make that transition. The one thing Bronnie has going for him is he's never been a star. He was not a star. Go to guy in high school. He was not. He was not somebody who scored 40 in high school. Get on my back. I'm like. Like most future NBA players are. He's always been a bit of a role player, so that adjustment isn't great. He's actually had to learn to take more shots and probably taken too many. Being encouraged to take chances while he's in the G League. But I don't see any negative there in the. Hey, I hear everything that people are saying. I'm using it as fuel. Great. You should prove people wrong. Prove people wrong. Hey, man, I'm trying to do the exact same thing in my profession. I prove people wrong. They have. We have no idea what you go through. They have no idea what I go through. And honestly, nobody cares. All they care about is when you get the ball, end of the game, in the corner or when you get in, can you make a shot? Can you guard your guy? If you can do that, regardless of what your name on the back is, James or not, those same people who doubted you will then get in line. So I think the criticism or the critique is fair because I think most of it is not really about Ronnie. It's more about LeBron putting Bronnie a situation where he's not ready for. And I have no doubt that Bronnie obviously takes that personally. LeBron takes it personally. That's why LeBron came at me. That's why LeBron came at. @ Stephen A. Right, because it's his son. Anybody says something about my son, like, we're gonna go, I love my kid more than anything on earth. But there's also the reality of, hey, you're a dad, but you're also LeBron James, to whom much is given, more is expected. On the other hand, I'll back LeBron in this standpoint. If the I've said this before. If the worst thing he's done is force his son too early into the NBA in comparison to what other fathers have and have not done, we're talking about a pretty good dude, right? May not be my best player of all time, but definitely not a bad, bad dad for trying to protect his son and trying to help his son pursue his dreams. Even if he's been in my, by my estimation, a little too forceful and he's benefited a little bit too much from it. All right, enjoy the games. I'll be back tomorrow. You can see our picks online. Just go to foxsportsradio.com see how you did against our picks. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Hurt.
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Ryan Music
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Doug Gottlieb
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs, mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Prohibition is synonymous with speakeasies, jazz flappers, and, of course, failure. I'm Ed Helms, and on season three of my podcast, Snafu, there's a story I couldn't wait to tell you.
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Amartinez
It's about an unlikely duo in the.
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Doug Gottlieb
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Ryan Music
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