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Colin Cowherd
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Urban Meyer
I've called in the Bill Parcells of college football. I've always said it's much more difficult to rebuild quickly at multiple places than to build a great power. That's nothing against Nick Saban or any coach that's done that. But Urban Meyer, Bowling Green, Utah, Florida obviously, and Ohio State. So what a pleasure to have sports. Kind of the voice of college football with Joel Klatt and others. So let's just Nick Saban said this week he goes, you Buckeye fans gotta get therapy on Michigan. And I looked at it, Ohio State's 444 against everybody else in 04 against Michigan. Is it fair to say right now? And it's been reversed, Michigan's in the Buckeyes head a little bit.
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Joel Klatt
Well, it's very fair. Obviously it's happened the last four years after a dominant run and it's got to get, you know, it's got to get changed. And I hear people say that there's too much emphasis on the game and that's, you know, I grew up in right outside Cleveland, Ohio.
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Urban Meyer
It is the game.
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Joel Klatt
I grew up in the ten year war with Bo and Woody. So that's the way it is at Ohio State and it will never change. So when someone says they need to back off that game, I'm like, they don't have to back off the game, just got to win that game.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah, yeah. People say that when they lose it, when they win it. Nobody says that I think Oregon's the fastest team in college football, but in my life I don't remember a mediocre to below average defensive team winning a Natty. I think it comes down to I love the Texas defense, the Buckeye defense, Penn State's defense, Notre Dame's defense. I don't and I love Oregon. And I said they're going to. Oregon's going to beat them. I said this before the season. They're going to beat Ohio State at Austin. They're going to lose in a rematch. I just question Oregon's defense. They'll score, but I watched Penn State do it. I watched Ohio State, I watched Boise State. What do you make of Oregon's defense? Is it a personnel issue?
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Joel Klatt
Well, I love their coordinator. Tasha Lapoy was actually on my staff one time and I think he's one of the great motivators. I love their defensive line. But you know what they got exposed against Penn State. I'm actually going to talk on the Big Ten network about that briefly. That the Q run game exposed them and Ohio State's not done a lot of Q run game. If I'm watching that Chip Kelly and that staff, watching what Penn State did with a non dual threat player and Drew Aller, they ripped him up and down the field with the Q run game and then Prabula came in.
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Urban Meyer
Explain the Q run game to our.
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Joel Klatt
It's, it's an equalizer. It's where you read a defender for it's spread option. So you're going to read a defensive end and you put, you know, you have to make judgments and you equate numbers. You can't load the box because you're always reading one defender. And they did that with Drew Allergies, Drew Eller, Will Howard's excellent runner. So I would anticipate I would see some of that going back to Oregon's defense though I got a little more confidence. Oregon's defense, you watch him in some of those games they had 10 sacks against Washington, the defensive line plays with great effort. I really admire their coordinator. I think they'll play better in this game against Ohio State.
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Urban Meyer
Listen, there are times when as a college coach, even when you were at Florida or Ohio State, there are times as a college coach you look across and say, listen, they're going to be able to do this on us, right? Like, like if you faced a Bama or Georgia, they're going to get a sack or two on us. They got NFL dudes. I look at Oregon's offense and I'm like you just. Guys, we're going to give up some plays. How do you stop Oregon? Because they score on everybody.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, I got theory on that. And what happened is when you play a soft schedule like Ohio State's schedule was awful. The beginning, first three games, the 50 point favorites, I think in every game. And then what happens is during the, during the course of practice, you go against something called a scout team. And here you are, the defensive backs, Ohio State. You're playing the schedule they played, which was. I mean, you didn't see any juice at all. All of a sudden you're lined up against Oregon and that is the fastest group of receivers. You know them in Ohio State, those are the two best groups of receivers and they were on them. I watched the game and it looked like Ohio State was in quicksand. Those are fast corners. They were shocked. Here's the good thing. I don't think they'll be shocked because they faced him. And I don't know if Coach Day's done this, but I made a comment earlier on this too, that I would. There would be no scout team if I was getting ready to play Oregon. The corners are not going to go against a scout team receiver.
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Urban Meyer
Right?
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Joel Klatt
You're going to go against Jeremiah and Mecca. You're going to be going against dudes the entire time. Because what happens, you get shocked and the game is on you so fast if you're not prepared for the speed. They played them once and I would anticipate in practice they're going against Good on. Good to get ready for this game.
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Urban Meyer
So your entire career I can go back to Alex Smith and Chris Leak into Tebow. I think we tend to. I'm guilty of this. We just think quarterbacks are the same every Saturday or Sunday. But the truth is college kids, as they're growing, confidence is a big part. And I thought Will Howard lost it against Michigan. I just lost it. And then I watch him, you know, against Tennessee and I'm like, okay, this is the kid that I thought could get drafted. What is Will Howard? I'm not. Forget the NFL. But what do you like about Will Howard? Because if they do get into a shootout, which he did before, tell me the things you see as a coach.
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Joel Klatt
I like everything about Will Howard. I like an athletic quarterback and get you out of trouble, which he does. He's had big scrambles and he makes plays with his legs as well. Here's the best thing about Will Howard. His surrounding cast one of the best I've ever seen on a football field. And the offense line, I'm not including them. I'm talking the offensive skill. The offense lines had three major injuries.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
But you're looking at those two tailbacks. You're looking at three, maybe four receivers that are all high draft picks. That's the best thing Will Howard's got going is he's got to be a distributor and he does not have to be the game winner.
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Urban Meyer
That's right.
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Joel Klatt
And that's. I've had quarterbacks that thrive in those kind of situations when you have to go put it on your shoulders. You know, there's not many quarterbacks can do that.
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Urban Meyer
You know, I've said on this show before, it's hard to win a Super bowl with a shaky O line. And you can't win a World Series with a bad bullpen. You can't, I think a bullpen, seventh, eighth and ninth inning, you're facing the best hitters in the world. You got to have closers and O lines. Not when you're trailing, when you're leading and you can't close the door. Ohio State's O line to me is the weakness of the team. For the record, I think it's the weakness of Georgia. So I eliminate Georgia because they're on a backup. They can't win the Natty, in my opinion. Are you concerned that Ohio State, if they get into a great game against a great team and they need an eight minute drive, they don't have the offensive line to do it?
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Joel Klatt
I'm very concerned because I think you're right. As we made it to the final game, final two games when I was at Florida and Ohio State and it is, it's a line of scrimmage game. Because a lot of time, skill negates itself. You know, you have great skill on both sides. So what's going to win? Can you get 4 yards, 4, 5 yards a snap and like you said, can you close out a game or get a first down when you need to? And that's all offensive of line drive it. I would say I'd be very alarmed. They played their best. They did against Penn State. They had a 10 or 12 play drive, six minute drive, started the one yard line. That was the best offensive four minute drill I may be ever seen. And then Seth McLaughlin, the center goes down. Yep. When I got that text, almost fell out of the chair. Like what happened? Because you lose your center at that point in the season. And they played not very well a couple games, but they played excellent against Tennessee. So I am concerned. I would be More concerned if they didn't have the best skill in America.
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Urban Meyer
I want to talk Notre Dame and Georgia. So there's this sense for a long time because Brian Kelly won early and then they go play a Natty against Bama and get rolled. But the last two times he played them, they went toe to toe with Georgia. I like them. This game is that I think sometimes maybe it's because the academic, the austere Notre Dame view that we don't think of Notre Dame as elite recruiters. We think of Ohio State. I think Notre Dame is more in the Michigan recruiting, but I think Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Bama, lsu. It's a whole different ballgame. Whole different ballgame. Oregon's buying their guys. They're kind of in that space. But I think when I watch Notre Dame play, I'm like, they got a lot of dudes and I think they match up with Georgia. And I think in our mind we're like, georgia's got better players. I'm not sure they do. I don't know. You're looking at me like I'm nuts.
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Joel Klatt
No, I agree with you. I think. Imagine getting hit in the face by Northern Illinois and picking that team off the mat. You know, Marcus Freeman and his staff did that and the leadership of that team did it. I counted him out when I saw that, you know, Notre Dame's done. How do you, how do you regroup from that kind of a loss? They have and I've studied them actually the last couple of weeks at home. I just would watch the videotape. I think they're toe to toe with Georgia. I think I agree with you. Georgia's offensive line is not the typical Kirby smart. It's a weak, dominant offensive line. They're playing a backup quarterback. I think this is going to be. I think this is going to be. Whoever has the ball last is going to win this thing.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah, I always used to think, you know, it's cold weather, small town, isolated academics are hard. I think Marcus, I think Brian Kelly in the end, when he was in his coaching prime and I think Marcus has done a tremendous. If you meet Marcus, you can see why he's a good recruiter. Yeah, I think the sports, a young man's game. And I think Marcus is one of those guys that he's, he's. He's putting in 17 hour days.
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Joel Klatt
He'll be on the recruiting, in the recruiting. I used to, I coached there for six years under Louisville. Yes, I remember Davy and I would always plan my recruiting visit around because I Recruited the south for Notre Dame. And if you heard the two words, lake effect, do not bring a kid from the south, don't do it. And then if you got caught, I would get those cars. You had real nice cars and I turned up to 90 degrees, we'd have a jacket in there for him. So recruiting at Notre Dame, but it's not, you know, that's old school now. It's just how much. Okay, I think recruiting is. Notre Dame is a great education, but we're going to pay you this. Are you going to go? So, yeah, I think it's a different world than it was.
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Urban Meyer
All right. I'm not a huge Quinn Ewers fan. He's probably a Sunday player. Arch Manning. So I mean, listen, we know this Joe Burrow was a Buckeye then. He's not like, here's the problem with college football now, in the NFL, you have a starter and then you have a backup and everybody gets it. In college, Ohio State has to have two five star or four star guys. You can't just not as a season expense. So you got Arch Manning and the royalty in America, the Manning name. And then you got Quinn Ewers. I think this is a harder balance than you think to have Arch Manning behind you. I would be. I would be like, you know, Peyton's coming to practice. What if Quinn Ewer scuffs? What if they trail at half? What if you see him lose his confidence? Is that a harder balance than we all recognize?
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Joel Klatt
It's a really hard balance. But I would actually tell our quarterbacks that you're no different to me, even though you are an offense guard or a tailback, you're struggling. The other guy especially deserves a right to play. You'll play. You know, Nick Saban did that on the. I believe at halftime I won a national championship quarterback change. So it. I've had quarterbacks say I don't like the look of the. I had Chris Leak and he was said he's looking over his shoulder table and I said, yeah, so is the receiver. So is the middle linebacker. I mean, that's. If you recruit really good players, have a good day or someone's going to come in and get a few snaps. So I'm sure Sark has had that conversation probably hundreds of times this fall. To me, it's so much on the player. Can the player handle the fact that Arch might come in the game and I don't know that. We're going to have to find out.
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Urban Meyer
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Levar Arrington
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Urban Meyer
So Penn State crushes smu.
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Joel Klatt
Yep.
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Urban Meyer
And they're looking up at the next game. They could play Georgia, Notre Dame and, and, and James Franklin puts in the film and these guys are all like, yeah, they got a good running back. You can't fool the players. I don't know, I, I think Boise State, now, Boise State is not built to play from behind. They get after the quarterback, they protect their quarterback, they run the football. Boise State's got pros. I don't know. How do you as a coach convince your team? It's easy to convince. Hey, here comes Tennessee, here comes Notre Dame, Georgia. That's a different ball game. How do you convince Boise State, Penn State players? Is that a truck? Is that a struggle?
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Joel Klatt
That's a real struggle. It's the locker room. You know, if I have grown ass man, as players I'm having meetings with them. They have to, you know, if coaches up there, I mean what is it, week 14 if I'm still having to do a sales job on my team? It's probably not a great team. I don't have great leaders. I would anticipate that's not the case. I'll say this about Genty is that we were there. Yeah. And the post contact yards is what would be alarming to me. I would make a videotape of not him running against some team for 60 yards where he's untouched. I would make a 30 play highlight tape of post. I think he's the best post contact runner I've seen in several years in college.
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Urban Meyer
You know, the Michigan State walker was like that.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, it is. He gets stronger as he gets hit. Yeah. And we witnessed it. And I would make a 25 play highlight tape. I'd be running that through the facility and making sure the defense sees it over and over again. You better get him down because he's going to get yards after the hit. Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
Go back to that Penn State, Ohio State game. Now, Will Howard fumbled near the goal line. I thought that really hurt the momentum of Penn State. But I think that edge rusher Carter could be one of the five or six best players in college football. Penn State, because Michigan and Ohio State, they just take all the oxygen out of the room. Penn State is one of those unique programs that we overlook and It's a top 10 program. Go back to your days facing them. I don't know, I look at their talent and maybe it's not Texas or Ohio State, but there's pros everywhere on that.
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Joel Klatt
Everywhere.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
I go back to our games. We had some. We were down and I want to say two scores twice in the fourth quarter against him in 2017 and 18. I think James Franklin has done a hell of a job. He doesn't get the credit he deserves. The fan base, the support is second to none at State College. So, yeah, I never looked at Penn State any differently than the upper echelon teams. Maybe others have. I never did because I walked out there and there's Saquon Barkley, you know, trace McSorley. There's the, like you said, the defensive players, they've had. So no, I've never. I've always looked at them as a top five, top seven program. Okay.
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Urban Meyer
Now we got to get serious.
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Joel Klatt
Okay.
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Urban Meyer
Gotta get serious.
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Joel Klatt
Okay.
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Urban Meyer
So yeah, the world. So years ago, I think it was McCaffrey and Leonard Fournette. You're in second tier bowls and they're like I said at the time, when it comes to running backs, if you've given me three or four years and you sit out of the Liberty Bowl, I get it. Okay. We're not talking a natty. So do you agree with that premise? Running backs, who are the last players in the NFL and college football, you can take a shot, you can hit them in the head, you can hit them anywhere. It's the last player available. If it's a second tier bowl, I'd let him sit.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, I don't know. I mean that, that did not compute. Denzel Ward, the first time this really happened. Denzel Ward, a first round great player, great kid. I mean, I loved his family. We were like this he comes in. No, I think his coach came into me and said, I think Denzel Ward's going to sit out the Cotton Bowl. I'm like, I'd never heard that before. This is before that all started happening. And I was like, sit out. Why would he sit out and get ready for the NFL draft? That was the first time. And that just did not, you know, I use the word compute. Like what do you mean you're going to sit out on your teammates, etc. Etc.
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Urban Meyer
So cam Ward played one half and left.
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Joel Klatt
When I heard that, I think I told you earlier to me that someone said coach, what's your thoughts on that? I'm thinking that's, that's like saying the world is square. I don't know. What do you say to your. Like, did he go in and change it half time? Did he get in a car and leave? Did he walk? I didn't see what happened. Yeah, and they lost.
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Urban Meyer
Does it matter more because he's a quarterback?
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Joel Klatt
Sure, of course. That's the number one position. But I'm just wondering what do you, how that, how do you, you know, you walk in after the game and you, you just, you know, you got. People played their hearts out and I'm not criticizing Cameron because I don't know the whole situation, but someone asked me how I feel about that. Like I, I don't. What do you say to your teammates? You just. Maybe, maybe the attitude, it's just a second rate bowl game I've never looked at. Anytime you keeping score, you're trying to win that damn game. And so I don't know, I just, I got really mixed feelings on that.
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Urban Meyer
So. I am a fan of the transfer portal and the nil, but things need guardrails. Okay, I'm okay with that. I think it's hard to figure out the transfer portal because you have to be on the academic calendar. It gets in the way. It's right after.
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Joel Klatt
That's the first time I've heard academics in a long time. That's great. Great.
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Urban Meyer
So it's a weird. The nil. I'm going to, I'm going to propose this. Is that. Listen, Oregon's got Phil Knight And Texas has two billionaire donors that we just say, listen, you get 18 million. That's the top. We know Purdue's got three and a half to five. Ohio State's going to have 18. But even the NFL has a salary cap. We're just going to say 18 is what you can do. Is that reasonable or do you not like that?
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Joel Klatt
I Think it's very reasonable. And I think there is. Logically, you have to have some kind of guardrail, some kind of system set up. I'm going to tell you this. I don't think there's any chance though, because that would mean that the upper echelon schools are going to have to give up power. If you're Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Oregon, the teams with this ridiculous amount of money, you're the power player right now in college sports. Imagine sitting in a room and say, okay, we're going to back you guys down and make this more equal. Like the NFL. The NFL, you got 32 teams and they're all working together under the same guidelines. College college football is like this. You got teams that are, you know, $20 million salary. Your Buckeye spent 20, and you have teams that can't do that. Why would those teams ever lower and raise the others? Right now, I don't see that happening. I keep hearing that. I just. I've sat in those meetings in the SEC. You think the SEC cares about the Big 12? No, I'll answer that question. I sat in those meetings. They don't. They care about the sec. I sat in the Big Ten meetings. You think the Big Ten is really concerned about what happens in the acc? No, they're concerned about making sure their programs thrive in the Big Ten. So you need cooperation and you need more equal footing. I don't know if I see that happening logically. Yeah, but I don't see that happening now.
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Urban Meyer
It's going to go to a 14 to a 16 team playoff. I thought the media. I thought everybody overreacted to the first round. Listen, March Madness, you got blowouts and you get a cut. If you get a couple of good Thursday games opening weekend, you feel great. Would you expand it? Are you okay with. Because there's a lot of discussions that they're going to 14. There's also the Mountain west may not get a buy. We're going to see changes. It's the first year. Lighten up, Everybody. Of the 12 teams playoff, what bothers you the most? What do you. I don't like that Penn State's got an easier route than Oregon. That's not fair. Oregon went undefeated, won the conference championship and I got. Ohio State is my first game.
- [28:26]
Joel Klatt
Yeah, I think there's going to be, like you said, this is the first year. There were some mistakes made. Get used to blowouts that are going to happen all the time. I think college basketball is a little bit easier for an upset than college football. Just the masses of the humanity on the bigger teams. So there's going to be some adapting. The biggest issue I didn't like is the fact that there are blowout games. But I don't know how you get away from that. I agree with you also there's got to be rewards. When I saw Penn State's path, third double digit favorite, you know, and then you can see Ohio State and not Ohio State. I'm not worried about how State, but the team that won it, like you said, Oregon, they had a more difficult path than Penn State. And that does not equate.
- [29:10]
Urban Meyer
Yeah. Hey, would you be. James Franklin suggested Nick Saban could be college football's commissioner. And for years on this show we said how can you be an 8 billion dollar annual business and have no commissioner? I think they need a strong voice to unify people. Why wouldn't you do it? You don't have to recruit. It's just a big strong guy that knows you have a big personality, you have strident beliefs. Why wouldn't you do it?
- [29:34]
Joel Klatt
Why wouldn't I Or Nick Saban? You. No, I'm voting for Nick to be there.
- [29:38]
Urban Meyer
Why wouldn't you do it?
- [29:39]
Joel Klatt
No interest at all. You know, I just.
- [29:41]
Urban Meyer
None.
- [29:41]
Joel Klatt
None. I, I just, I. The. When you're a commissioner of a conference that, let me put it this way, so imagine the NFL and they said, okay, Roger Goodell, we're going to now put the USFL in with the NFL. You guys are all going to be together and then, you know, and that's what college sports, college football. Right now, not everybody's not the same.
- [30:01]
Urban Meyer
Right, right.
- [30:01]
Joel Klatt
They're not operating in the same guidelines. It's, it's. And it'll never be that way. You take an Ohio State, you take the Wolverines, you take Georgia and then you, you're mixing. So I'm not going to use names because I want teams to get mad here. But they're, they're not the same.
- [30:14]
Urban Meyer
That's right.
- [30:14]
Joel Klatt
So this person has to lower their level and this person has raised to get any, twice any type of equilibrium in a. That's not going to happen. Colin. So a commissioner would take, you know, I don't, I don't know. Again, I just. Because I've sat in those meetings. You got the haves and you got to have nots. The haves would have to give up power. Do you really see that happening? I don't.
- [30:37]
Urban Meyer
Hey, so Belichick, so I know you and Belichick are tight, so I think the coaching's Fine. My take has always been that Bill could barely tolerate Robert Kraft. The idea he's going to have to deal with a volleyball coach. I'm like, give me a break. That Bill's going to come in there and Mike Lombardi, who I know is another kind of gruff guy. These guys are strident, strong opinion guys. And all of a sudden it's like, hey, you going to go to the. You're gonna go to the tennis match today and support the athletic program? Give me a break. So I think Bill will just get worn out by the nonsense of college sports. The coaching's fine, the recruiting's fine. The players come to you. They're collective. Now, you know Belichick, did you call him and warn him about some of the stuff he's gonna have to deal with?
- [31:26]
Joel Klatt
No, but I think five years ago I would have cost it. Don't do it. You're not gonna wake up at six in the morning and go meet with a social studies teacher in high school and ask about the player. Oh, brother. Into the. Get the transcript and figure out how he's doing in the geology class and all this. And then you have to go to a basketball practice and basketball game that night. But you don't have to do that. You know how many times the coaches were. I heard this. I didn't realize this were out on the road in December. None. You don't recruit anymore in the month of December. That used to be when you would fly in that private jet and you'd be in four to five states in one day. The way we used to recruit, finish at a basketball game and then you'd be watching your computer, get ready for bowl game. It's not that way anymore. Now it is simply. They come visit you, you find out what the number is and you pay the number. So, Coach Belichick, why don't you call it?
- [32:16]
Urban Meyer
Why don't you do it again? If you. If I could take recruiting out, why don't you coach again?
- [32:19]
Joel Klatt
Because I'm a Fox Big Noon man. I got a great job here.
- [32:23]
Urban Meyer
Hey, Sean Payton was at Fox, and now he's coaching the Broncos. You don't have to coach any. You don't have to recruit anymore.
- [32:29]
Joel Klatt
Let's go back to Bill Belichick. He'll figure it out. And I can't wait to watch it. He's 72 and I'm not a math major, but that's only three years away from 75. So, you know, that's.
- [32:42]
Urban Meyer
So when you guys are together, I would be. I would Love to hear this. I should wire you next time you go talk to him and I'll give you some questions. So obviously you ask Bill stuff and you're interested and then he asks you stuff is give me something. You asked Bill a little bit of his wisdom because you guys are both. I mean he, he's give me something that Bill said in a fishing trip or something. And you were like, well, that's smart.
- [33:07]
Joel Klatt
Yeah, I, I would go visit the Patriots very often and he'd come every year, started at Gainesville, Florida and would visit with us and, and, and he had the greatest locker room I have ever witnessed. I would go watch practice. You know Tom Brady, William McGinnis, you know Mike Vrabel, Rodney Harrison, you know, he had that locker room. And I remember I would actually sat with Tom Brady and Vrabel and I, because I was having some issues at Florida. Locker room issues.
- [33:32]
Urban Meyer
I remember that.
- [33:33]
Joel Klatt
And I was like, how in the hell do you guys do this? And they, those players said to me, it's our job to make sure nothing ever gets to Bill Belichick's desk. That was how strong his locker room was. And I would meet with my leaders and use that as examples. And it got better as time wore on. But. And he would always ask me about the spread offense. I was back in the Alex. I got a phone call. I remember Bill Belichick called me when I took the Florida job and he said, hi, this is Bill Belichick. And I said, I thought it was one of my boys messing around. I said, well this is Pete Rose, how you doing? And he came down and Josh McDaniels back in the day and they started running some of our Alex Smith spread offense stuff. So he wanted to talk football, I wanted to talk locker room. I was amazed at how he did it.
- [34:15]
Urban Meyer
The Patriots, yeah, those Patriot teams were.
- [34:18]
Joel Klatt
No nonsense, the best locker rooms I've ever witnessed.
- [34:21]
Urban Meyer
What was the best locker room you ever had?
- [34:24]
Joel Klatt
I would say the 14 national champion Buckeyes. You know, when you're down your third string quarterback, who are your leaders? Joshua Perry, Curtis Grant, Jeff Heirman. We had just incredible leaders. And here you took a third string quarterback and had one of the greatest runs ever. Because everybody just, you know, Joey Bosa, Zeke Elliott, Mike Thomas, you know, do.
- [34:44]
Urban Meyer
You ever have a game in Witness? Didn't happen to you much that Florida or Ohio State, you went in and you knew you didn't have as good of players, but you couldn't tell the players. Did you ever have a game and you came out of it. And you thought we shouldn't have won that game.
- [34:59]
Joel Klatt
Sure. Back in the LSU days, LSU had the best talent. Man, people forget what Les Miles had down there. I mean, they had about a four to five year run, right? I'd grab my line coach every time when I saw lsu. Come on, Tyson. Now, how in the hell are you going to block those guys? Their defensive line was that good.
- [35:15]
Urban Meyer
How about Ed Orgeron's Joe Burrow team?
- [35:18]
Joel Klatt
Never coached against him, but they looked a part.
- [35:20]
Urban Meyer
That's the most talented college team I've ever seen.
- [35:23]
Joel Klatt
Yeah. Yeah, I've had a couple of those where I'd look across and say, how in the hell. But just you change your game plan, you know, you got to. You got to get the ball out fast. You got to attack this. We felt that way actually in the national championship against Ohio State when I was in Florida. Get the ball out here. Don't play in here. Get the ball out here. And that's what we did.
- [35:40]
Urban Meyer
Yeah, that's good stuff. The. I can't believe you wouldn't. Would you take a call? Would you take a call? Like a really good program says, hey, listen, lot of money down here in blank.
- [35:52]
Joel Klatt
This wasn't on the rundown. You guys.
- [35:55]
Urban Meyer
You're not gonna get away. You look fantastic. You can't meet what's golf just had.
- [36:00]
Joel Klatt
Grants grandkid number six.
- [36:02]
Urban Meyer
Wow.
- [36:02]
Joel Klatt
Peyton. Two days ago. So we're. Life is good, man. All right.
- [36:05]
Urban Meyer
You golfing a lot?
- [36:07]
Joel Klatt
Yeah. Not very good, but a lot.
- [36:09]
Urban Meyer
Yeah. Who's good? You're Scotty Scheffler. Nobody else is good. The great Urban Meyer. We take a break back after this. Live in la, the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd.
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Urban Meyer
Should be, wouldn't it be great if you're a busy guy? But if we could like every Friday get him on, wouldn't that be good? Just giving us nuggets and wisdom and all that stuff. Stuff. I always think it's interesting. J. Mac when you talk to coaches because I, I always tell the Urban Meyer story. So years ago I worked at the Other Place and I did a radio segment and I was going to the bathroom and I saw Urban Meyer in the hallway and he was a Florida coach and so Jim Trestle was coaching Ohio State and they were playing 2007, playing LSU for the Natty. And I said, hey, what's going to happen in the game? And Urban Meyer literally broke the game down. And, and I went on the air and I, I wouldn't tell him where I heard it. And I said, I'll tell you how I think the game's going to go. And I basically took what Urban told me and I went. And it turned out LSU won by two touchdowns. But he laid it out. He just knew exactly. He said, Ohio State keeps it close. LSU pulls away. They've Got two of this, two of that and he just kind of laid out. I'm like, I'm watching the game thinking that's exactly what happened. So he's always been somebody I've leaned on for kind of behind the scenes stuff and how games work. He just.
- [41:58]
Unknown
How much of that do you think changes with the 12 team playoff? Because kind of predicting, you know, some teams played last week, right? Yeah, some teams have been on a. Like Boise State hasn't played a game in like 24 days.
- [42:08]
Urban Meyer
I don't love, I don't love the fact that Ohio State played so well. They're brimming with confidence. And Oregon's been sitting around with all these 19 year olds. I think, first of all, I think buys in the NFL are overrated. Unless you have an old team like Kansas City. Chris Jones, Travis Kelce, Joe Tuni, they'll use the time off. But like Detroit's pretty young and you start looking at these, Baltimore's got some young guys in Buffalo. It's like I don't like buys in football. If you're healthy and ready to roll. Now Detroit, like Minnesota, Minnesota doesn't want. The Vikings want to play. Yeah. Addison, Naylor, Darnold, Jefferson. I don't want those guys taking a buy. I want those guys on the field every. I mean, so like there are certain teams in the NFL. Kansas City can use a buy, but Oregon's. Oregon is a fast. California kids everywhere playing at the Rose Bowl. I don't want them sitting around waiting for a game and getting distracted and going seeing their families and I, I want them to play.
- [43:08]
Unknown
So like last week it was a pretty easy handicap, right? The four favorites at home rolled everybody. You kind of had a sense at home.
- [43:16]
Urban Meyer
I think the games are closer this weekend.
- [43:19]
Unknown
None of that, that's all out the window now. I think it comes down to coaching. How can you scheme up like Arizona State doesn't have the horses to hang with Texas, right? You look at Boise State's defense, they could barely stop Wyoming and San Jose. Like those guys score like 30 points on Boise. Boise has to come out with a totally different game plan against Penn State, something they have not seen. What good coach can cook that up with three, three plus weeks to prepare? And I think it comes down to coaching. And that's why I think Dillingham keeps it close with Arizona State. I like him a lot, man. He is a coach on the rise.
- [43:50]
Urban Meyer
Can Arizona State keep him?
- [43:53]
Unknown
I think you just enjoy the ride, you know, you don't worry about the future. Enjoy the moment. Dillingham's here now probably in another year, and then after that, the big boys are going to come calling.
- [44:04]
Urban Meyer
Yeah, I like Notre Dame over Georgia.
- [44:07]
Unknown
Marcus Freeman, man, that guy.
- [44:09]
Urban Meyer
Listen, college football is a young man's game, and Marcus Freeman can recruit with the best of them. He's one of those guys that can put the hours in. I always thought it was a disadvantage at Notre Dame in recruiting cold, small academics. You know something funny about Notre Dame, Marcus Freeman, I think he said it on our show. They've never had a player transfer out. So the transfer portal works in Notre Dame's favor because kids that commit to Notre Dame are beyond just getting paid in football. You choose Stanford and Notre Dame because it's a. It's in your life forever. Once you go to Notre Dame and graduate, you go to a party, you tell people you went to Stanford or Notre Dame. It's not just, hey, I played football at Florida. Notre Dame players don't transfer out. So they're going to be able to create cohesion and chemistry that nobody else in college football because there's only one academic school that can compete for the title. It's not Northwestern or Stanford, it's Notre Dame. And so because that is such a part of the recruiting process, you're going to Notre Dame that it's a, it's an advantage. It's a lot of high school players, they have great. How did they rebound from that? Gutting loss, chemistry and cohesion. You're not doing that if you got 48 guys from the portal. See you tomorrow.
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Urban Meyer
Me want to eat.
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