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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
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Rachel Nichols
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Colin Cowherd
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Steve Covino
Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon.
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Colin Cowherd
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Steve Covino
Kind of a must watch if you're a sportscaster. A shooting guards it's the javaris Crittenton story, who was initially a Laker.
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Rich Davis
Yep.
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Steve Covino
And then it's Gilbert.
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Rich Davis
Yeah.
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Steve Covino
Listen, players are culpable for their own mistakes. You cannot root for the Wizards as an organization. After watching that, I was so. It is so ridiculous.
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Rich Davis
So not the same organization anymore, J. Max says. I mean, they just aren't so what was allowed.
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Steve Covino
It's, it's fascinating. Like on planes. This happened on planes.
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Rich Davis
Oh, yeah.
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Steve Covino
Okay. Rachel Nichols joining us. Okay, so tonight one of my favorite non game moments of the year is the NBA draft lottery.
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Rich Davis
Spicy.
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Steve Covino
Like a couple years ago we had Wimby. This happens about every fourth year. We get a LeBron or we get a Wemby. So Cooper Flag, who is only 18, but you know the comp, and I think it's an accurate one, is you're getting Jason Tatum, but a little more aggressive like Kyle play. So Utah has acknowledged they would consider Danny Ainge if they won moving Cooper Flag. I would not. But they are. And Danny Ainge is shrewd.
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Rich Davis
Danny Anchor said he would trade his own grandmother, so I assume he would trade Cooper Flag.
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Steve Covino
So here's my Utah wins it. Are they the front runner to land Giannis?
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Rich Davis
So if I'm Milwaukee, I am not doing a straight up trade for Cooper Flag and Giannis. Right. Because the Milwaukee Bucks don't have a first round draft pick till 2031. That is six years from now.
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Steve Covino
Don't control any of their first for five years.
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Rich Davis
If you get a Cooper Flag or some other really outrageous young talent, but no picks back, including that.
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Steve Covino
Yeah.
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Rich Davis
If it's a straight up trade, that's no good for you because you won't have young talent to put around him. You've got older guys on bad contracts. By the way, you can become an unrestricted free agent in the NBA after seven years and six years is when they would get their first first round draft pick. So he'd be out of there. So that's not worth it. If Utah can put together a package with Cooper Flag, with some other young talent with draft picks that interest the Milwaukee Bucks, sure, they'll have a conversation for sure. The other one to watch with the draft lottery is Houston, because Houston has been a front runner for whoever the best free agent on the market is. Right. We've talked about Kevin Durant, we've talked about Devin Booker, we've talked about. Giannis trumps them. All right, so if Giannis does become available, the advantage is you're trading him to the west, which is great. Right. And The Milwaukee Bucks have learned their lesson with Drew Holiday. You do not want the guy you just traded in your own conference. Right. They've got young talent that can come and really good young talent that can come to Milwaukee. And they have all kinds of draft picks. And certainly if with the Phoenix pick, which they're in the lottery for tonight, they luck out with Cooper Flag or even anyone in really the top three or four, because these are great players, they then become even more of a front runner.
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Steve Covino
I said the most fascinating part is this. So we know Kyle Shanahan has had great teams, arguably for about a four year stretch. The best roster, no trophy.
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Rich Davis
Right.
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Steve Covino
Great. Sacramento King trades teams way back when, no trophy. So my take is Giannis, you got a trophy. 12 years. Great fun. Here's the team to keep your eye on. So we think Sam Presti is brilliant. They had Westbrook, KD and Harden. They now have Holmgren, SGA and an unbelievable roster. Yet if San Antonio wins the lottery tonight, Wemby, this year's Rookie of the Year, the point guard from UConn, Stephen Castle and Cooper Flagg.
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Rich Davis
Yeah.
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Steve Covino
And my take is, what a nightmare for okc.
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Rich Davis
Oh, I mean, look, if Oklahoma City or the spurs win this draft lottery, can you imagine Oklahoma City, obviously, through their other picks, because their own pick is not going to be in the lottery. But it's just crazy to me.
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Steve Covino
Antonio can have the best rookie three straight years.
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Rich Davis
Yeah, it's crazy to me. And by the way, the Thunder, to your point, they have all these picks. They, if they want to, are going to be a contender for Giannis because the picks that they have aren't just their own picks. They've grabbed picks from all around the league. So you're really not betting against Giannis to fail if you're making that trade near Milwaukee. Because they've got this pick, they've got this team's pick and they've got that team's pick. You don't have to worry about it.
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Steve Covino
You know, I said this with the warriors. They're not there yet, but Steph will be 38 next year. They made the move for Butler because they wanted to squeeze every last win out of Steph. Kind of their Jeter untradable player, their Elway.
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Rich Davis
Yeah.
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Steve Covino
And there's very few of those. But Jeter Elway kind of feel like Steph.
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Rich Davis
Yes.
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Steve Covino
Can't trade him. And so I'm sitting there thinking, you don't want the Kobe tour the last three years, which was unserious basketball. You don't want to be the Bucks, where you grab, grab, grab, and you wake up and you're like, we're a first round exit team. I look at the warriors, they don't have their GPS system. When Steph doesn't play and he's 38, he's running a mile and three quarters to two miles every big game. OKC, Houston, all these San Antonio, you look up and you go, guys, we're going to bring this back. Couldn't I argue Kaminga doesn't work with Steph.
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Rich Davis
Right.
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Steve Covino
If they get extinguished here very quickly by Minnesota, my guess, without Steph, they will. What do you do going forward? Great coach Stephen, great culture is not going forward. You're at best fourth in the West.
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Rich Davis
Well, if there is a silver lining to the Steph Curry injury, which, by the way, obviously the warriors would rather not have, it's that Jonathan Kuminga has gotten to play more and show what value he brings. Because really, the issue is it's not that he can't play with Steph, it's that he can't play with Steph and Jimmy. There's not room for him when there's. Those two other guys are on the floor. Now that Steph's off the floor, it's him and Jimmy, and they can play well together. And also, Kuminga had a great game. Right. Even in the loss. So the silver lining if they do lose this series and Steph can't come back, is now you have a much more tradable asset in Jonathan Kuminga than you did even a week and a half ago.
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Steve Covino
Right?
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Rich Davis
Because in the first round, it was like, he's not even good enough to make the rotation. Right. What kind of asset is he? Nobody's going to want him now. Everyone's like, oh, okay. It really was just. And therefore, he's an asset. I don't think either way, this is going to be similar to the Kobe situation or the Giannis situation, because on both of those teams, you really had one elite guy, right? On this team, you have Steph, you have Draymond, you have Jimmy. Now they're all aging. I get that. But those are all kinds of players that can make a difference in the game. The way the guys on Kobe's team couldn't. The way the guys on Giannis's team can't this year. And I don't know, when Steph heard that they were making the Jimmy trade, his quote to Draymond was, this is it. This is our last ride. Yeah. And I think they all know it and they believe it and they think that with this group they can really make an impact and maybe get to finals again. And by the way, it looked like it, you know, toward the end of the season and early in the playoffs.
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Steve Covino
So the Celtics season may very well come down to tonight. The way they won in blowout fashion, generally speaking, the zigzag theory on the road. New York will be ready to roll tonight and there has been a question. Boston, from Danny Ains to Brad Stevens, they are proactive, not reactive and they're not moving Tatum. But if they lose to the Knicks, there is a sense that they could look up and go, listen, we don't want to be Milwaukee and Denver, right? We've got Tatum, we've got new owners may want to shed. I mean their salary now is like 500 million. If they just signed their first round pick. I mean Rachel, to me, if the Knicks win tonight and I think it's a three or four point game. J Mac, find the spread on that. I think, I think they're going to make an aggressive move. Could they not make a Giannis package?
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Rich Davis
I'm not sure they could with their picks and other situation. And again, if I am the Bucs, I would not trade him within the conference again. Jrue Holiday, by the way, can you imagine with the Celtics, can you imagine if they also gave him Giannis? Oh, here he's Andrew. I don't see that happening. However, I do think, look, this is a half a billion dollar payroll with all of the luxury tax and second apron and eighth apron and all of that, that the Celtics are going to have to play under new ownership to your point. And look, if they go back and win another finals and I still think they're the favorite even down to one in this series, it's going to be hard to break that team up of course to two titles in a row.
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Steve Covino
You'll tweak it a little.
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Rich Davis
I think you've got to pay those guys and just bite the bullet and try to keep winning. But if it's a second round exit, it kind of gives you an excuse if your ownership or if you're the front office to say, well clearly this isn't quite working the way it was before. Now we can, you know, kind of mess with the roster a little bit and certainly cut payroll and we'll just have to see if that happens. I still think the Celtics are going to come out of this series and I think they have a really good chance to win the title. That's no disrespect to New York. I mean, I think it would be great for the league to have the New York Knicks advance because it has been a very long time and I just think the excitement in the garden, we've seen it. I mean it's just incredible.
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Steve Covino
Totally a love trick.
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Rich Davis
Unlike some other New York's Knicks teams or big market teams where people around the country, you know, they hate the Yankees, that kind of thing. This Knicks team is so scrappy and fun and young.
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Steve Covino
They're perfect for New York.
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Rich Davis
A lot of people around the country who would say hate the Yankees will still really get behind and like watching this New York Knicks team. So if they win, and I agree with you, tonight is just pivotal. I mean I think it's a must win for the Knicks certainly. Right. Who knows. But the Celtics point differential throughout the season, they were 16 points ahead on average in the games they played. The Knicks, not only did they win four to nothing in the season season series, they won by an average of 16 points. And in each of these games they've been up 20 points.
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Steve Covino
No, we, we've talked about this. The NBA's willingness to swallow the whistle and let games be physical has absolutely benefited the Knicks OG body type physicality. The, the NBA is allowing less skilled teams to body up and push you around. That's why I thought Denver would give OKC some problems because they're big veterans, physical. So Jokic is great. They have no bench and you know, I think a lot of people look at Denver, I do and certainly thought three years ago could they be the Spurs? Is he their Duncan? But then they didn't keep people. They, you know, look at the Michael Porter contract now they paid one too many people and Jokic looks gassed.
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Rich Davis
Oh, he looks exhausted.
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Steve Covino
Is this, didn't they draft a big and he got hurt.
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Rich Davis
Look, the thing with Jokic is he had to push them through the end of the season. Remember the 60 point games that this, the that just to keep them out of the play. Right. There was such a scramble for seeding in the west. He had to give it his all every night and carry this team. Now they played I think seven games in the last 13 days. I mean that is asking too much of him especially. I know they're used to playing at altitude. It's their altitude, but it's still altitude in early summer. Right. And I just think that the thunder are deeper certainly. I mean they won that game yesterday because of their bench and they're the youngest team in the NBA. Let's not forget that. If you look at teams across the league and you say, okay, on one day's rest, when there's only one day between games, who is the best? Not only are the Thunder the best, they're the best by about 17 points. I mean, it's crazy where the Nuggets, when they have one day of rest, they're better than their opponents by about three points. So you just look at this schedule, you look at what Jokic has had to do. This is the problem with having a rotation that is only six guys. And by the way, the sixth guy is Russell Westbrook. You know, I keep saying to you, it's a box of chocolates. With Russ, you never know what you're going to get. Well, yesterday was like when you get one of those, like, gross orange cream chocolates or something.
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Steve Covino
Nobody likes those.
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Rich Davis
Not good. Not good.
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Steve Covino
So let's put up the NBA draft lottery tonight. I said, I'm kind of rooting just for historical relevance for San Antonio to win it. Wy why do I keep forgetting their.
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Rich Davis
Point guard, Stephen Castle?
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Steve Covino
The Castle's great. Stephen Castle. And then get Cooper flag that. I. I think that's unprecedented to get the best player out of three straight classes. So that's fascinating. I'm also rooting for Utah because I think, having spent a lot of time there, great facility, great gm, super smart owner, great economy, they fill it. It's almost collegiate feeling. I think that'd be great if he was there. When you look at this, is there something that intrigues you tonight?
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Rich Davis
Well, look, I'm from Washington, D.C. right, and I can tell you that the Wizards, slash, Bullets, slash, whatever, have not made it to the third round of the playoffs. Not, not won a title or made it to the Finals. They have not made it to the third round of the playoffs for 46 years. So to me, obviously, this is colored by me being a native, but I think that would be a great fit for him for a lot of reasons. It's an international city. If you look at the sort of teams, look at the cities that are top of the lottery, Washington, D.C. certainly is the most sort of cosmopolitan of a lot of those places. The fitness with the Wizards, young players that they've been tearing down and doing this rebuild would actually be excellent and you would see him making an impact right away. And I just think that when you talk about east versus west, and you talk about, yes, the spurs, by the way, they've gotten lucky in the draft lottery before. Yeah, thank you, Tim Duncan.
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Steve Covino
That's what says.
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Rich Davis
I mean, all of These big players, Kevin Durant, all of the big players, even Zion Williamson, right. Since the LeBron draft, I can't think of a player who was sort of a sure fire. We know he's going to be a success in the NBA that hasn't gone west. So just for balance, I think it would be nice to have an Eastern Conference team win the lottery tonight. And again, I'm rooting for my hometown team.
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Steve Covino
Have you watched that documentary, though?
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Rich Davis
I have. And look, I was there for it. And I'm very, you know, I've covered Gil for a long time and know him very well. I, I get it, but it's just, it's a different team now.
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Steve Covino
All right.
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Rich Davis
I'm just saying they're hard to root.
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Steve Covino
For after watching that.
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Rich Davis
I mean, there was, by the way, go back. There's a lot of franchises around the NBA that were permitting a lot of things.
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Steve Covino
Oh, I know. Back in the day when you. I mean, it's incredible. The, the, the team, the league, they were trying to hide all of it from the media.
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Rich Davis
Look, the Detroit Pistons at the height of their powers, right when they were in Eastern Conference finals, after Eastern Conference finals, after Eastern Conference finals. I used to cover that team pretty regularly. And I'd walk in the same door at the practice facility every day, and suddenly there was a sign that says, no weapons allowed in this building. And it happened overnight. And I just said to the security guard before there's a sign, there's usually a problem. He's like, oh, yeah, there was a problem. So it happened in a lot of places at that time.
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Steve Covino
Wow, Rachel Nichols, great seeing you as always.
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Rich Davis
Great to see you guys.
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Rachel Nichols
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekly days at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio. Maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Colin Cowherd
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Rich Davis
No, no, no.
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Shadour Sanders
Heard on the news.
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Rachel Nichols
This is the Herd line.
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Steve Covino
Are you NER tonight? Are you nervous? J man?
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Dylan Gabriel
No, no, I'm feeling good. By the way, you want to guess the line on that one?
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Steve Covino
I would say Celtics minus three, way off.
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Dylan Gabriel
Celtics minus six.
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Steve Covino
Oh, I'm taking New York. I'm taking the six.
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Dylan Gabriel
What was the other one you asked Rachel? The line? Was it Minnesota Golden State.
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Steve Covino
Minnesota Golden. Is that tonight?
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Dylan Gabriel
Tonight?
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Rich Davis
Yeah.
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Steve Covino
Okay, that's in.
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J. Mac
That's.
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Rich Davis
That's it. That's in San Francisco.
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Steve Covino
I would say Minnesota minus.
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Dylan Gabriel
Three, minus five.
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Steve Covino
I like Minnesota tonight and I like the Knicks. I like the Knicks to cover and Minnesota to win outright.
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Rich Davis
By the way, if the Knicks could get it within five in the last five minutes, they will have the advantage. They have the best closer.
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Steve Covino
Well, and all the pressure is going to be on Austin because they're the Heavy favorite in the series, but the.
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Dylan Gabriel
Knicks have been down 20 in every single game. That's not great news.
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Rich Davis
Not what you want.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Dylan Gabriel
Not ideal. All right, let's go to the Timberwolves. They escape game three against the wounded warriors. Anthony Davis dropped 28 of his 36 in the second half. He was really motivated, he said after getting dunked on by Jonathan Kuminga, who had a hell of a game and did have a big time poster in the third quarter on Kevon Looney. And again, when Anthony Edwards attacks the rip, nobody can stop him. He's with that body and the strength and the hops, he's an animal. I think. I think Minnesota wins the tonight, Colin.
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Steve Covino
I do, too. I think. I think Minnesota. I think at this point, there's. I don't think Steph comes back. I don't think it's worth the risk. Hamstrings, arrest, injury. And I think ants playing with a confidence he didn't have a year ago. Julius Randle is clearly in this system working. Go Bears. The rim protector. And I think the staff is great.
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Dylan Gabriel
Okay. We like Steve Kerr. I'm just going to say he does feel like he's kind of lost right now. He started in to Quinton Post, played the big guy for three minutes. Okay. Kuminga now playing 30 minutes after being benched.
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Steve Covino
Yeah.
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Dylan Gabriel
Moses Moody can't get any minutes in game three. Like, I don't know what Kerr's doing. Started Trace Jackson, Davis, he's just grasping at straws. If you look at the rotations and it's just not working. And it's tough when you lose Curry, it does feel over for Golden State. Let's stick with the NBA. The Miami Heat obviously are in a big spot. They lose Jimmy Butler, they get some smashed against the Cavs. I mean, they were down like 30 in multiple games. A lot of rumors linking Miami to Kevin Durant. Pat Riley acknowledged there are changes coming to the Heat.
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Steve Covino
Well, I think we do have to make changes.
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Rich Davis
There's.
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Steve Covino
There's no doubt there has to be some change. And so until you change the way.
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Dylan Gabriel
You go about doing the things that.
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Steve Covino
You do to win, if you don't win, you have to go about making changes to make sure that you can win. It's a process.
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Dylan Gabriel
But I'm not going.
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Steve Covino
To deal with a long process, nor.
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Dylan Gabriel
His ownership sounds like he's aiming high. I don't see how they get in the honest sweepstakes. They don't have any. But Tyler Herro.
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Steve Covino
No, there's not.
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Dylan Gabriel
You give Away. Bam. You got nothing. By the way, I got into a heated debate with the producers about Tyler Herro and his trade value. I'm curious, do you think he's a two or a three on a team?
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Steve Covino
Three.
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Dylan Gabriel
This is gonna be tough, but just let it marinate. Would you rather take in a trade because the salaries are similar? Jalen Green, who's 23 or Tyler Hero, who's 25?
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Steve Covino
I would take Tyler Herro because he has defined offensive game. Jalen Green's an athlete, doesn't know what he is in the half court. Tyler Herro is defined. He's a better Austin Reaves and now he's not as physical.
- [27:14]
Dylan Gabriel
He can't defend me. Tyler Herro.
- [27:16]
Steve Covino
Well, Austin Reaves is not exactly Dennis Rodman.
- [27:19]
Dylan Gabriel
Austin Reeves is a better defender. Listen, Heat are going to be interesting because they have Bam. Do you just nuke it and start over?
- [27:26]
Steve Covino
I would start over. This team is. Listen, Jimmy Butler got, you know, a couple of finals that was over. I mean over delivering for the quality of the roster. Yeah, the Duncan Robinson, hero, Butler teams had no business being in the finals. That was postra and roster.
- [27:45]
Dylan Gabriel
Usually they're interesting. I don't see a path to interesting for them that honestly I would start over. Yeah, easier said than done. Final story, Colin is to the NFL. Rookie minicamps got underway this weekend and of course Cam Ward was cooking for Tennessee. Interestingly, he's not getting the pub that shedeur is online. I'm sure you saw that. Reports indicate that Brian Callahan is implementing some of the stuff from the Miami Hurricanes playbook. Where Cam Ward throttle. I love that.
- [28:15]
Steve Covino
Yep.
- [28:16]
Dylan Gabriel
And there's a bunch of quotes here from some of the young guys about how good Cam Ward has been. Great leader, gets the ball out quickly.
- [28:22]
Steve Covino
Let me tell you something about Cam Moore. No star recruit, Washington State to Miami. I don't think Miami had that good of players and they won some games. All this three day rookie camp stuff is a nonsense because you're watching all these players against scrubs. But Cam Ward, there were about two players that I watched. Can I watch this all yesterday as I watched an NBA. I'm watching all these, you know, these rookie camps. Cam Ward looks good.
- [28:47]
Dylan Gabriel
He does.
- [28:48]
Steve Covino
Dude, that ball comes flying out of his hand. He is definitive, he is decisive. We know he can move. Cam Ward's gonna. Cam Ward is gonna threaten to win that division. Watch Tennessee.
- [29:00]
Dylan Gabriel
I don't disagree.
- [29:01]
Steve Covino
He was impressive. And again, I know what it is. I'm not going crazy on this stuff. He looks the part do you remember.
- [29:08]
Dylan Gabriel
Last year, Caleb went one and had all the hype and quietly, Jaden Daniels was amazing. There was not like all these Jaden Daniels highlight reels that we were seeing. He was better. All we're seeing all weekend is Shador's doing this. Shador, oh, he's staying late after practice. Meanwhile, Cam Ward grinding quietly. I think Cam Ward could have a Jaden Daniels type. Maybe not that good.
- [29:28]
Steve Covino
They went from 39th in offense to number one with Cam Ward, Miami. Yeah. And by the way, there's a lot of good offenses in college football like Ohio State, 39th, the one and. And I'm telling you, just watching all this, I know it's camp stuff. I get it. You can just see. You can just see guys that like. It's just quick. It works. It's the Jaden Daniels stuff. Jaden Daniels, remember last year at camp and nobody ever says this about rookie quarterbacks. Like Kingsberry's like, yeah, this is going to work. Dan Quinn is like, man, he's spectacular. You're like, he's a rookie. Don't say that. The camp, he was blowing people away. Now Cam Ward is not. I don't think that won't be that effective.
- [30:12]
Dylan Gabriel
He's not going to put up those.
- [30:13]
Steve Covino
He's. Tennessee got themselves a winner. This kid's going to. This kid is going to win games.
- [30:18]
Dylan Gabriel
I do like how our guys shove this in because we did a lot of Shador, you know, a fourth string quarterback for the Browns. But Cam Ward is the story. If you're betting. And I don't love futures bets this early. Rookie of the year Cam Ward's getting my money for sure.
- [30:33]
Steve Covino
I agree. J. Mac with the news.
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Rachel Nichols
Well, that's the news.
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And thanks for stopping by.
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The herd lie news.
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Steve Covino
Good stuff today. Matt Hasselbeck, Rachel Nichols, NBA draft lottery tonight schedule release. It'll start trickling out tomorrow. We'll have games tomorrow. Trickling out.
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J. Mac
It's the Herd.
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Steve Covino
All right, so this weekend there was a bunch of these minicamps. Shadour Sanders got a lot of publicity. A lot of publicity. And since we were fed all this video, it is our broadcasting responsibility to show Shador Sanders practicing. You got a lot more video of this, I think. I thought he was underdrafted. I think he's closer to a top second round pick or a middle first. You know, if the Giants would have taken him. I think there's worse picks. I'm not a Jackson Dart believer. Could be wrong obviously, but here's Shador over the weekend on transitioning to the NFL.
- [35:27]
Shadour Sanders
Of course it's day by day. I just find something I want to perfect and just perfect it to the best of my abilities and that's all really focus on and just being there, just being a leader, being a great teammate, doing what I need to do whenever it is. So I'm just thankful for our opportunity. Things could have been a lot worse. But I'm here smiling in front of you all at this facility right now. My job here isn't to prove people wrong. Like I prove myself right and I fully have self belief, you know. And with those people say that's, that's just their opinions.
- [36:03]
Steve Covino
But for the record, JMAC isn't that likable and that come off pretty likable. I didn't love his legendary room and some of his actions in college, but I thought he came across pretty likable.
- [36:14]
Dylan Gabriel
He said and did all the right things at minicamp, the three day minicamp. Right. That's undeniable. The problem is the media is focused on him. There's like no Dylan Gabriel highlights. And Stefanski, as you showed earlier, he's like almost pained to be asked why isn't you doing.
- [36:30]
Steve Covino
You know, I think there, there is a belief that they took Dylan Gabriel in the third Round because their takeaway is we don't, we don't want to get. I mean, so the Browns sent you a message. They traded down out of the number two pick, and they did that because they didn't like this quarterback class. Well, so I'm supposed to believe in the third round they love Dylan Gabriel. Like I thought Dylan Gabriel was overdrafted. To me, he's a fifth round pick. Shador at worst is a middle second. But my point is, if you really think of what Cleveland did, okay, they, they told you we don't love the quarterback class. That's including Shador because they passed it in multiple times. They took Gabriel as a. Listen, we're going to overdraft him. It's pretty obvious. My buddy John Middelkoff said they didn't want to get into the Shador stuff. And then by the fifth round, the owner who pushed for Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield and Deshaun Watson says, let's go get him because this is what, this is what the owner does. So the Browns also traded a fifth round pick for Kenny Pickett this year. So, I mean, it's just a quarterback. They are the classic low sports self esteem franchise.
- [37:43]
Dylan Gabriel
So you and I have run businesses and you know that there is a fine line between, like promoting, right? They can make a lot of money off Shadour Sanders. The Cleveland Browns can. Let's put out videos. We could sell ads around them. You know, easy to make money. But do you want that distraction? It's not the Bill Belichick level distraction in North Carolina right now, but you have to admit, like a fifth round quarterback soaking up all the energy in the room is a bit of a distraction. Listen, he's not even your starter.
- [38:10]
Steve Covino
I've said this before, I wouldn't bring in Colin Kaepernick, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Johnny Manziel as backups. I wouldn't bring in Baker, mate. Well, no, I would bring in Baker now, although he's not a backup, he's a starter. You do not want your backup to be a celebrity. That's why Bill Belichick and the media tries to make this stuff into politics or something else. Bill Belichick. The minute they decided after camp, Remember, Cam had the year in New England and Belichick liked it solid. He was a solid quarterback. The minute they said, okay, we're going to give Mac the job, they moved off of Cam, even though he would have been the best backup in the league.
- [38:45]
Dylan Gabriel
Just get him out, okay?
- [38:46]
Steve Covino
Tim Tebow won a playoff game the minute that jets thing was a tire fire. Nobody wanted him as a backup. Johnny Manziel. You're telling me Johnny Manziel is not a backup? Nobody wanted him as a backup. Shedeur because of his dad's, you know, running point on this quarterback situation. And basically at the super bowl week, telling the six or seven teams that would potentially draft him, we're not playing for a lot of you. So that turned a lot of owners and GMs off. So to me, Cleveland's Andrew Barry go watch his reaction during the draft. They were trying to get out of the Shadour Sanders world. I mean, did they need another quarterback? They had Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Deshaun Watson, and Dylan Gabriel. They had four quarterbacks. The last thing they needed in the fifth round was another quarterback. That's an owner move. They can deny it forever. So I think they'll do the best with it. And I think Stefanski is excellent.
- [39:42]
Colin Cowherd
But I think it's.
- [39:43]
Steve Covino
It is. I think it's a little bit of a tough situation for Shador Sanders because I don't think privately they wanted this.
- [39:50]
Dylan Gabriel
Yeah, it feels like every time Stefanski goes to the podium, he's got a mentally prepared for a ton of Shador Sanders questions. I don't know if we can roll the video, but he looked pained being asked, why isn't Shador getting number one? Like, why isn't he getting more action? It's just. It's a tough spot to put your coach in, man.
- [40:07]
Steve Covino
Here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier on, Shedeur fighting four other quarterbacks for snaps. So the reps are usually divvied up. How they expect it to go, how.
- [40:18]
Dylan Gabriel
They want it to go, where is their money invested? And I always found it was a.
- [40:22]
Steve Covino
Lot easier when it was clearly defined. Not necessarily to the public, but it was clearly defined inside the building, inside that quarterback room. Here's what you're actually competing for. Here's what's open to you. Yeah. And I. I. So my bet is Flacco wins the job and Shadour eventually becomes the number two. Shador is better than Kenny Pickett and better than Dylan Gabriel. So my.
- [40:48]
Dylan Gabriel
Hold on, hold on. Shador was a better prospect than Dylan Gabriel.
- [40:53]
Steve Covino
He's a.
- [40:54]
Dylan Gabriel
But for what Stefanski wants, is he better than Dylan Gabriel?
- [40:57]
Steve Covino
Those are two different questions. Dylan Gabriel looked tiny in college.
- [41:01]
Colin Cowherd
Tiny.
- [41:03]
Steve Covino
Shador Sanders. I never looked at his size in college. He.
- [41:06]
Dylan Gabriel
Does that matter in the Kevin Stefanski offense? You and I don't know that answer. Can we get Stefanski on the show.
- [41:12]
Steve Covino
I got nothing against Dylan Gabriel. I. I just. I didn't see it ever.
- [41:17]
Dylan Gabriel
What do you mean? He was like a Heisman contender.
- [41:19]
Steve Covino
He looks smaller. Look at.
- [41:20]
Dylan Gabriel
I mean, what do you have against small quarterbacks? Brock Purdy, Dylan Gabriel. What do you have against them?
- [41:25]
Steve Covino
You were all over Bryce Young because the other day, years, his helmet didn't fit.
- [41:29]
Dylan Gabriel
Yeah, well, that.
- [41:30]
Matt Hasselbeck
Look at that.
- [41:31]
Colin Cowherd
Look at the video.
- [41:31]
Steve Covino
This is nothing against him. This is a professional league. Watch the video on Dylan Gabriel. You notice his size.
- [41:37]
Dylan Gabriel
Did you see there's a video of him once he leaves the podium, there's like a Brown staffer who goes, I'm taller than him. He's mouthing it and it's on video. And I'm sure the Browns are like, dude, can you don't.
- [41:47]
Steve Covino
Dylan Gabriel looks noticeably smaller than Tua, who looks small in the NFL.
- [41:52]
Dylan Gabriel
Bryce Young or. Or Dylan Gabriel, who's bigger? I think Gabriel's bigger.
- [41:56]
Steve Covino
Well, Bryce Young's a much better player. Much better. Much better pro quarterback prospect.
- [42:03]
Dylan Gabriel
But we'll see.
- [42:05]
Steve Covino
This is not a knock on him, but we've said this before. I remember there was a guy that played at Ohio State, Troy Smith. Remember, Troy Smith was a good college quarterback. I remember taking. I watching him when he first. Jimmy Clawson.
- [42:16]
Dylan Gabriel
Did the Ravens draft him or something?
- [42:17]
Steve Covino
I forget where it was. The first series. I'm like, nope's not gonna work. And I remember Jimmy Clausen at Notre Dame went to the NFL, and it just shoulders size. I'm like, no, this is not gonna work. Bryce Young is borderline. Like, you're like, I'm not sure. But he's so gifted. Bryce is so talented.
- [42:35]
Dylan Gabriel
It's just. I can't. You know, these big strapping quarterbacks like Ryan Leaf, Brock Osweiler, so many big guys. Jamarcus, Russell, like all these, they flop too. Big guys flop at quarterback as well.
- [42:46]
Steve Covino
But most of your greats. Peyton, Bradshaw, Aikman, Big Ben Brady. Most of your greats are big men. They're six three and no, Mahomes is six' two, but plays big. You've never once thought about his size. Tua is supposed to be six' one. All I can do is look at his size. Mahomes is six' one and a half, six' two. I never think about it. Some guys play bigger. Zach Wilson's the same size height as Mahomes.
- [43:10]
Dylan Gabriel
Yeah.
- [43:10]
Steve Covino
Every time I watch Zach Wilson, I think he needs more size. Yeah, just. Just what it looks like to me. All right, Good stuff. Knocked another one out Tonight's gonna be tasty.
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