Guest Speaker (3:23)

You know, I do not because I'm three years retired. So Shire must have seen him when he was 14, but I did see him when he was at Mount Verde. Like a. Yeah, they have actually, they have four from his high school team. They have four kids are going to be first round draft picks. And I knew he was special, but because they had so much talent, I didn't realize how special he is. And this kid plays every play hard. Yes, every play. Every play.

Mike Krzyzewski (4:03)

People have compared him, I think, almost favorably to Jayson Tatum. When I watch him, he feels a little more aggressive than Jason. He's an aggressive attacking player. Do you think that comp is fair and realistic?

Guest Speaker (4:19)

I don't. I think they're two different players. They're both 6, 8. Actually, I think Cooper grew about an inch here. You know, he's still only 18 years old, so he's still growing. He might end up being 6, 10. But I think offensively, you know, Jason really has developed into a great shooter. We're waiting to find out about his injury, but he's really developed differently than I think Cooper will develop. Cooper is just unique, you know, like he, he's. He's so strong. His legs are so strong and athletically he's gifted. But attitudinally he. When you add his athletic ability and his competitive attitude, you have a very special guy and he can really score the ball. I think he's a good shooter trying to become a really good shooter, whereas Jason is that shooter.

Mike Krzyzewski (5:35)

I read Ian o' Connor's book about you, which I thought Was fascinating on so many levels and it's so funny. John Wooden and you, you know, you're obviously the all time greats, but John Wooden, it took a long time for him to win at ucla. And as Ian o' Connor pointed out, there was a meeting or two about Mike Krzyzewski and about your fourth year and people are like, we don't know if this kid from army is going to work. You endured for a lot of reasons. You're smart, you're collaborative, you are a grinder. There's a lot of reasons. But when I look at college basketball today, do you like the place we're in? Tom Izzo's a survivor, but a lot of the big ones have left. Sometimes college football, I think is too impatient. Do you think college basketball is good to coaches? Because the NBA, I could argue, is not a great place to coach. Is college basketball today?

Guest Speaker (6:32)

Actually, I think the NBA is a better place to coach. I think college basketball now is pretty much like the NBA, except there's no transparency. In other words, you're at one school, I'm at another. I don't know what you're doing for a player. You don't know what I'm doing for a player. And it's really professional right now, college basketball, but the product is outstanding and kids are staying longer because of nil. You're getting older teams, the influx of international, young, international pro players to college there. You can win quicker in college now. And there's like, John Shire has done a great job here at Duke replacing me. And I've told him, I said, I think you've done a better job than I would have done in the last three years with all the changes. Because I would have always been. Been saying stuff. Well, it used to be this way, it used to be that way. And for you, you're just starting out. It wasn't used to be. It is. And right now I just think people should put their arms around college sports, especially college basketball, in my opinion, and run it like a business, because it is a business and the product is great. Though there's so much talent out there.

Mike Krzyzewski (8:10)

You know, there's an argument people have made. I don't know if I concur with it, but it's an interesting argument that J.J. redick is smart. He's very tightly wound that in the NBA and big games, he kind of. He's a teeth clencher a little bit. He's very, very intense. And in the NBA as a coach, he was very intense. And people say, boy, it's not about that. It's. It's more Steve Kerr. You gotta be part psychologist, part schematic guy that maybe JJ is, is just too intense when you watch. I mean, listen, that's a good quality to have. What do you make? I mean, you were intense. I watched you write officials for several years. Is, is. What do you make of those discussions about JJ that maybe he's wound a little tight now.

Guest Speaker (8:59)

You know, he, he wants to win and his preparation to win is outstanding. You know, there's a learning curve in every profession. I thought he had a great, great season and his players, he won over his players. His players know how hard he works and yeah, he was a terrific player. He, you know, I think he's, he's learned a lot from this year. You know, he'll critique himself and have, you know, he has a veteran staff where those guys will take a look at what they did and how they were doing it and make adjustments going into next year. But he had a great, he had a great first year. And they played a team in the first round that was deeper and more athletic.

Capital One Advertiser (9:54)

Yes.

Guest Speaker (9:54)

And. And the NBA has gotten more physical, which I think is good, but it's really physical in the playoffs. And that lent itself to. Given the Timberwolves a little bit more of an advantage. And they're a good team. They're a really good team.

Mike Krzyzewski (10:15)

You, Steve Kerr, Mark Few, Boeheim, you guys all have done a very good job coaching professional players as college coaches. Obviously Kerr played at Arizona, but he's a pro coach. And is there coaching. Is coaching at Duke because you have so many pro players is a little NBA ish. Yeah, it is, it is, it is. Do you think. Did you ever take anything from the pros and bring it back to Duke to help you?

Guest Speaker (10:48)

Oh, yeah. You know, I coached US team for 11 years in three Olympics and two World Championships. And I brought back a lot, you know, you know, the sports science, you know, how guys prepared.

Mike Krzyzewski (11:04)

Yeah.

Guest Speaker (11:05)

Language. Not cussing in that, but different. Although probably picked up a few words there too. No, just how their defensive coverages, you know, but they're, you know, one of the main things is how hard they prepared and the excellent shape they kept themselves in. And I brought that back where we really increased our sports medicine science. But it also helped me X and O wise. You know, I had Jim Boeheim was with me all 11 years, but I had Monty Williams and Thibodeau, you know, these guys who are, you know, terrific pro coaches. And I learned a lot from them. But I learned from the players because they're really, you know, these are great players. Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, all these guys, they really understand the game. People don't realize how smart they are and how much preparation that they give. So those were 11amazing years for me and I was very lucky to have that opportunity.

Mike Krzyzewski (12:27)

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

Capital One Advertiser (12:32)

Summer is almost here and you can now get almost any anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan? Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some French fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. At the end of the season, there's.

Colin Cowherd (13:37)

Only one team that can call themselves NBA champs.

Mike Krzyzewski (13:39)

Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft.

Colin Cowherd (13:43)

Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance. While its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out, not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space.

Capital One Advertiser (14:04)

The IX is completely changing the game.

Colin Cowherd (14:07)

With an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise.

Mike Krzyzewski (14:11)

Any part of the game.

Capital One Advertiser (14:11)

So why would you settle for anything.

Colin Cowherd (14:13)

Less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine. Electrified hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the.

Capital One Advertiser (14:25)

Right thing to do.

Colin Cowherd (14:25)

So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort and Good thing it does, because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart Target and try the OG degree Cool Rush for yourself.

Capital One Advertiser (15:11)

Everybody loves a good MVP story and the story of Wasabi Technologies is one of the best. Wasabi is purpose built to free businesses from skyrocketing storage costs and unpredictable egress fees from old and top heavy legacy providers. You know the big guys. Wasabi is the world's hottest cloud storage company, becoming the go to provider for professional and collegiate sports teams and leagues around the world. And here's why. From Wasabi's AI enabled intelligent media storage, Wasabi Air to the industry's only cloud storage service with triple protection against cybercriminals, data deletion and ransomware. Wasabi has taken the lead in driving innovation in data storage, eliminating overhead where it matters to deliver you result you can count on and won't break the bank. In fact, Wasabi is up to 80% less than those other guys and doesn't charge a cent for businesses to access their own data. Wasabi another championship story. Check him out for free@wasabi.com Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage proud partner of the Volume Podcast Network.

Mike Krzyzewski (16:17)

You know Christian Laettner was so dominant when he played and he was part of that Kentucky win. You I you just years and years ago maybe it was Jay Bilis was sharing a story about the first time you had seen LeBron and he took two steps at half court and dunked it and you turned to Billis and what in the world am I watching? Go back to your college career. I'm going to test your memory. Was there a moment when you obviously coached your team hard but you allowed players to go off script? A Grant Hill players. Was there ever a moment in college you went back and you turned to an assistant and you're like this player is better than I thought he would be. This like you were actually as a Coach, you turn on assistant and said, I never imagined he would be this good. This, this player.

Guest Speaker (17:04)

Yeah. No. A number of times I can remember when we had Bobby Hurley.

Mike Krzyzewski (17:11)

Yep.

Guest Speaker (17:11)

And Bobby was as good a point guard that ever played in college. And one practice he's playing defense and I will to Tommy Amaker, who's one of my assistants then. And I said, I've never seen anybody play that hard. And then at times with Grant Hill, you know, if Grant Hill had not been injured five years since his pro career, he would have ended up being one of the top 10 players of all time. But he was very humble. And there are times at timeouts I would say, you know, every four minutes I'd say, okay, every time you touch the ball, you, I don't want you to pass it. I just want you to do whatever you want with it. He said, what do you mean? I said, no, just do something where someone says, you know, how did Coach K teach you how to do that? No, I'm not lying. I mean this is true. And because they're players, there's certain players that you, you have to be careful not to over coach. You have to give them the room to become what their talent can, can show. And you know, Zion was, was that, you know, really, even though he, he's an outstanding athlete, but he wasn't that like those two guys, Zion and Grant. Batty a was like that. He was very humble too.

Mike Krzyzewski (18:46)

Yeah.

Guest Speaker (18:47)

And let's say, come on man, you know, let it out. You know, let it out. Like we were talking about JJ earlier. JJ did Colin, he did some stuff that I, I could not imagine. You know, in hostel arenas, you know, guys were pulling on his shirt, he was trying to run them into the ground. And he enjoyed putting up 40 on the road or 38 or 36. He was so damn cocky and good. No, he, he really was. I, I love my plays. Worked better with my children, I'll tell you that.

Mike Krzyzewski (19:33)

Yeah, that's what Nick Saban says. Yeah, it always plays better when I get a great pass rush from a football five star guy. Finally, I, there's a lot of reasons I like Nil. One of the reasons I like it is because I like kids having a little money and before they have a lot of money because a lot of athletes don't have it. So I like a guy having a couple hundred thousand and maybe blowing it on a, you know, close and before he gets 20 million. And I do think it's instructive that before you get, you know, it used to Be no money. College, you make a fortune. And I think that's tough on anybody, regardless of your background is have you found there are some things with Nil that, that, that I think it's keeping more kids in college. I like college basketball over G League. I, I like that. But are there things about Nil beyond just a kid making money that you think are instructive or you like about it?

Guest Speaker (20:30)

Well, it is what it is. And so we should put our arms around it and figure out how to make it the very, very best. I will say that. What one of the things you just mentioned, it's not right with all these kids where you make a lot of money now and then you're going to make a lot of money later. Most of the kids, remember there's not as many are going to make it into the NBA, are going to be making more money in college than they will after college.

Mike Krzyzewski (21:03)

Wow.

Guest Speaker (21:04)

And that's the thing. I mean, their kids make. There are a lot of kids making seven figures now. Not all, if you counted all those kids up around the country making a half a million to 3 or 4 million depending on the school. And there are a lot of kids and they're, you know, what's the lottery got? 14 guys. The first round has 30 picks.

Mike Krzyzewski (21:32)

Yeah.

Guest Speaker (21:32)

And so they're going to be guys who. There are kids now. There are kids that have not been invited to the combine who were making seven figures last year in college.

Mike Krzyzewski (21:47)

Wow.

Guest Speaker (21:47)

You know, so you're gonna have to deal with that. However, if they're smart, they have a right to make that money just so they use it wisely and they're able to transition to the next phase of their playing career. You know, the guys who are lottery picks that they don't. That's the normal thing. Yeah, that's the normal thing. But it's all changed. Yeah, Colin, it's changed. And it doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means that we have to get better control over it and make sure that these kids are well taken care of. Right now if you're a college coach at a high level program, you're dealing more with agents than you are with coaches and that's why you have general managers. And yeah, it's run like a professional team, except there are no contracts, which that might change depending on where the hell this all is going. But it's just in a state of flux right now. But God bless. The kids should make as much as they can. They should transfer just like any other student whenever they Want and. But that's going to run out. And hopefully when it runs out in college, they're able to go to a level of playing basketball that is really good for them.

Mike Krzyzewski (23:17)

Coach K, 42 years Ambassador now in the speaking circuit. Love to hear some of his stories. Nobody's ever won more basketball games in men's basketball, and that is saying something. There's been unbelievable coaches. You can turn the TV on every night. It can be Rick Carlile or Chris Finch. There are great coaches everywhere. My buddy, Tom Izzo, basketball's got great coaches everywhere. And you're at the very top of that coach. And I appreciate you stopping by.

Guest Speaker (23:43)

Yeah, no, I've always enjoyed being on. And thanks for not, not forgetting me. You know, like, it's just that was, you know, I don't even know why I said that. I shouldn't have said that.

Mike Krzyzewski (24:00)

I liked it. Hey, listen, erase that.

Guest Speaker (24:03)

Erase that. You're. You're capable of doing anything. Erase that.

Mike Krzyzewski (24:06)

It'll just go right into the ether. Nobody heard but you and me. That's it. That's the only people that heard it.

Guest Speaker (24:12)

All right.

Colin Cowherd (24:12)

All right.

Mike Krzyzewski (24:13)

Good seeing you.

Guest Speaker (24:13)

Thanks for having me out.

Mike Krzyzewski (24:14)

You bet. The great Mike Krzyzewski. Yeah, it's, I mean, like, I think what it took Mike a couple years to embrace one and done. But I think with Nil, you can complain about stuff like Rick Carla or Rick Patino said, you can complain about stuff or you can embrace it and try to figure it out. It's like anything. I mean, I almost look at Nil as a new tax code. All right. Got a new tax code. An accountant's job is to figure out how to use it best for his clients. I mean, in the end, you can, you know, I don't like what it is it. By the way, every year the wild, wild west will get a little less wild and everybody will get their arms around it and. And we're gonna be okay. Nick Wright, Coach K. Good guest Today as I get ready to get on a plane with a few others and head to a beautiful city, some of us are staying behind. Others are taking the big swing. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

Steve Covino (25:19)

Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been following Friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio. Maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Kobenon, Rich, wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media media, that's Covino and Rich.

Capital One Advertiser (26:15)

Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Or it. And it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. At the end of the season, there's.

Colin Cowherd (27:20)

Only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves.

Mike Krzyzewski (27:25)

The number one pick in the NFL draft.

Colin Cowherd (27:26)

Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title.

Capital One Advertiser (27:29)

The ultimate.

Colin Cowherd (27:30)

The all electric BMW.

Mike Krzyzewski (27:33)

What I love about the IX is.

Colin Cowherd (27:34)

That it delivers legendary BMW performance. While its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space.

Capital One Advertiser (27:48)

The IX is completely changing the game.

Colin Cowherd (27:50)

With an all electric suv. The greatest Legends of sports never compromise.

Mike Krzyzewski (27:54)

Any part of the game.

Capital One Advertiser (27:55)

So why would you settle for anything.

Colin Cowherd (27:57)

Less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine. Electrified. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does, because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original. Original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart Target and try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself.

Capital One Advertiser (28:55)

Everybody loves a good MVP story. And the story of Wasabi Technologies is one of the best. Wasabi is purpose built to free businesses from skyrocketing storage costs and unpredictable egress fees from old and top heavy legacy providers. You know the big guys. Wasabi is the world's hottest cloud storage company, becoming the go to provider for professional and collegiate sports teams and leagues around the world. And here's why. From Wasabi's AI enabled intelligent media storage, Wasabi Air, to the industry's only cloud storage service with triple protection against cyber criminals, data deletion and ransomware. Wasabi has taken the lead in driving innovation in data storage, eliminating overhead where it matters to deliver you results you can count on and won't break the bank. In fact, Wasabi is up to 80% less than those other guys and doesn't charge a cent for businesses to access their own data. Wasabi another championship story. Check them out for free@wasabi.com Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage proud partner of the Volume Podcast Network.

Mike Krzyzewski (30:00)

All right, welcome back. JMAC just got some video in, some pictures, some still photos of the rookie quarterback Symposium Camp Thing Radio audience I apologize. It shows the difference in size between Joe Flacco, Shador Sanders, Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel, who I do not see as an NFL quarterback.

Rich Davis (30:25)

You're such a heist. Don't you think? Dylan Gabriel's been dealing with this his entire career. High school, college, now it's the NFL. It's just another day for him.

Mike Krzyzewski (30:34)

That's why it's another.

Rich Davis (30:36)

What do they say? Big tree, fall hard when the big guy goes down. Dylan Gabriel's taking him down. I predict he starts more games next season than Shedeur does.

Mike Krzyzewski (30:43)

In Cleveland, we have a close up of he and Flacco having their discussion.

Rich Davis (30:47)

Okay, well, let's see what that looks like.

Mike Krzyzewski (30:48)

It was, it was. You know, it's awkward.

Rich Davis (30:52)

So utterly disrespectful.

Mike Krzyzewski (30:54)

No, I think I, I just. I do think size. I think we have. Because the occasional Russell Wilson or Kyler Murray, we look and think size doesn't matter. Yeah, Drew's my size six one. But I think we look at that and we go, oh, oh. I grew up with Fran Tarkenton, who was smaller but very, very mobile. And I think it matters. I want my guy to be Justin Herbert or Dan Fouts or Philip Rivers like the Chargers. I. I want six, three, six four big guys. We, we showed the picture earlier of, of. Of Justin Herbert, Bo Nicks and Dylan Gabriel. Justin Herbert. Ideally, I, I want a bigger athlete. I'm not. I. To me, six, one and a half is kind of the. Is kind of what I'm looking for. So.

Rich Davis (31:32)

Yeah, I mean, height hasn't helped Kenny picket at all, huh?

Mike Krzyzewski (31:36)

Well, again, there's some. But I mean, Justin Herbert is ideal. I mean, look at the show. Look at this.

Rich Davis (31:41)

He's.

Mike Krzyzewski (31:42)

Look at his chest and his shoulders and his legs.

Rich Davis (31:44)

Have you seen him in person?

Mike Krzyzewski (31:45)

Yes.

Rich Davis (31:45)

He's enormous. He's massive. He's an abnormality.

Mike Krzyzewski (31:48)

No, no, he's just an NFL quarterback.

Rich Davis (31:50)

There's not a lot of guys that are his size, man. His size.

Mike Krzyzewski (31:55)

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Cam Newton.

Rich Davis (31:59)

Yeah, four guys in the last 27 years.

Mike Krzyzewski (32:01)

Listen, you say, well, Jalen Hurts is 6:1. He's also unique. He squats 660 pounds and he's a unique athlete. His mobility and movement. So J. Mac with the news.

T-Mobile Advertiser (32:13)

No, no, no, no.

Guest Speaker (32:15)

Turn on the news.

Mike Krzyzewski (32:16)

This is the Herd line news.

Rich Davis (32:18)

Big game tonight. Cavs Pacers game five. It sounds like Donovan Mitchell is going to be a game time decision due to that ankle injury. Came out at halftime for game four. Tried to shoot, was like, oh, this ain't working. He's headed back to the locker room. Did not Play in the second half. Darius Garland, he's not worried about tonight. He says the franchise has been there before.

Mike Krzyzewski (32:40)

Down three one.

T-Mobile Advertiser (32:41)

This franchise has been down three one before. This group can do it. We got the talent, we got the skill set. The camaraderie is always there.

Steve Covino (32:49)

It's got to just go out there.

T-Mobile Advertiser (32:51)

And play with our physicality that we.

Guest Speaker (32:52)

Play with and play our brand of basketball.

Rich Davis (32:57)

Yeah. LeBron James ain't walking through that door. Sorry, Darius Garland. It's not happening. I, I with no Mitchell, they're done. I don't think there's any chance they win. They're done with Mitchell. Maybe they win this game in force. Game six.

Mike Krzyzewski (33:09)

They're done. I think Celtics are done.

Rich Davis (33:11)

Do you have an early lean in Pacers? Knicks?

Mike Krzyzewski (33:15)

I think a lot of people like the Pacers.

Rich Davis (33:18)

One person here respected the Pacers early in the playoffs.

Capital One Advertiser (33:21)

You did.

Mike Krzyzewski (33:21)

You deserve credit. You like them. It's, it's. I think there's a lot of people that think they're a matchup problem for the Knicks. We'll see.

Rich Davis (33:29)

We'll see. Next up is to the NFL. Derek Carr retired over the weekend. It was weird. He retired like a. Was it Saturday morning? I didn't see the news for hours. It was just a strange timing. And now the Saints quarterback room looks like this. Colin Spencer Rattler, Jake the Snake Haner and rookie Tyler Shook. That is uninspiring to say the least.

Mike Krzyzewski (33:52)

Yeah.

Rich Davis (33:53)

Ratner and hater won a combined.07 last season. And Shook is a 25 year old from Louisville who played seven years of college football. Never distinguished himself. I don't think this is hard. I trade Chris Olave, I trade Alvin.

Mike Krzyzewski (34:08)

I think they're going to be in the running for the number one pick next year.

Rich Davis (34:12)

Without, I mean, I mean people want to say Archbishop.

Mike Krzyzewski (34:16)

Who's going to be. Let's just be honest, who's going to be bad next year? Cleveland.

Rich Davis (34:21)

Cleveland. The jets and the Giants have the lowest win totals. I think the Saints will be right with their or even worse. I trust Justin Fields.

Mike Krzyzewski (34:28)

But the Giants, Giants have Jackson Dart. So they're out of the quarterback. Don't draft a quarterback first round. They're into the Jackson Dart for two to three years.

Rich Davis (34:36)

Timeout. If they win five games, there's a chance Dable and Shane are cooked.

Mike Krzyzewski (34:42)

They're gone. Yeah.

Rich Davis (34:42)

Right. So then Jackson Dart doesn't have anybody championing him in the front office and the new guy's gonna want their own quarterback because they're drafting top five. So I don't know about that. I, I think the Saints have probably one of the weaker rosters in the nfc and I would look to trade anybody good bottom out and then hope Arch Manning comes out. I think he's gonna come out. By the way, all these people were like two, oh, Arch Manning's gonna stay. You can count in the last 25ish years the superstars who were gonna be one and then stayed. It's Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. That's it. Yeah, Everyone else who's good comes out. So I don't know. Saints, I think you can get Arch Manning. Final story. Colin College football. Oh, yeah. Week one. Fox has announced Texas Ohio State kicks off the season. Doesn't get much better than that. You've got the best player in the country in Smith. You've got the most promising quarterback in the country in Arch Manning. And of course it's a rematch from the College Football Playoff, which was a great game. Went down into the fourth quarter. This is going to be musty tv. Obviously I have not seen a line yet, but I would lean Texas. Texas just because they got a quarterback.

Mike Krzyzewski (35:54)

Yeah, Texas probably be a 2 1/2 point favorite. Something around, around there. I mean, I, I think the two best players in college football are both Buckeyes Downs. I think Caleb Downs has a chance to go after Arch Manning. He'll be the first non quarterback taken. Caleb Downs will be the first non quarterback taken. And then I think Smith, the wide receiver is a sophomore. He's. He may be better than him, but he's. I don't think he's eligible.

Rich Davis (36:15)

He's not drafted.

Mike Krzyzewski (36:16)

Oh, it says Ohio State minus six. Oh, I would take Texas plus six. That seems. Why is that Arch Manning and you're minus six?

Rich Davis (36:25)

Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. I mean that sounds crazy. In fact, I don't even know who the starter is next year.

Mike Krzyzewski (36:31)

Well, and also Texas has said they're going to spend 40 million nil.

Rich Davis (36:35)

Hey, they got Arch, man. You don't think. And they got Revenge on their minds after losing that playoff game. No, no, that's a bad line. I don't care if the game's in Columbus. You know, give me Texas there. Straight up on the money line every which way. We're laying the lumber for September.

Mike Krzyzewski (36:53)

Who gave us that line? Was that one of those? Hold on, hold on. Actually, okay, so now it's actually, it's minus three Ohio State. I still think I would take the points I like. I get Arch Manning revenge and Texas is going to spend More than Ohio State did. Nil.

Rich Davis (37:11)

Ohio State lost a ton of guys to the NFL.

Mike Krzyzewski (37:14)

Well, they have the two best players.

Rich Davis (37:15)

Well, they lost two running backs, elite wide receiver. Their quarterbacks gone. They got a lot.

Mike Krzyzewski (37:20)

They gotta, you know, I know they.

Rich Davis (37:21)

Gotta, they got a ton of guys. But give me Texas in that matchup.

Mike Krzyzewski (37:26)

I think Eileen, with you, I don't know Ohio State's quarterback situation here.

Rich Davis (37:32)

Will Howard, you know, he's gone. He's in the NFL now, competing.

Mike Krzyzewski (37:35)

I know for a backup, he's a Pittsburgh Steeler. Are you done?

Rich Davis (37:38)

Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Krzyzewski (37:39)

Okay.

Colin Cowherd (37:39)

J. Mac with the note.

Mike Krzyzewski (37:41)

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The her NFL schedule release to is that tomorrow. So there's a lot of people speculating that Aaron Rodgers will announce after the schedule's out or right before he'll announce he's a stealer. I'm not going to try to guess what Aaron's going to do. I could see Aaron just to screw with people, you know, he's very contrarian. Just do something off script and, and, and I could see him doing that, like doing it next week.

Rich Davis (38:12)

I don't think that. Listen, I know the Steelers are a blue blood, everybody. I don't think they're going to get any primetime games, do you? With an uncertain quarterback situation.

Mike Krzyzewski (38:20)

No, no, no. I mean in the inner division, you'd take Burrow and you can't have Mason.

Rich Davis (38:25)

Rudolph on Sunday Night Football. That just, it's not, that doesn't work.

Mike Krzyzewski (38:29)

I mean, I would say these days, Aaron Rodgers on Monday Night, Sunday Night Football is worth maybe one game if they go in a little, you know, I mean, you can flex it, you.

Rich Davis (38:38)

Can flex it in. Yeah.

Mike Krzyzewski (38:40)

By the way, before we go.

Colin Cowherd (38:44)

I.

Mike Krzyzewski (38:44)

Think this Celtics, the Tatum injury, Porzingis, Horford, Drew Holiday looks old. I, I Not that Boston isn't well run and won't figure it out, but it feels a little different today. Right. Like their future is not quite as cemented as it was.

Rich Davis (39:04)

Well, they're going to have to move off some guys. I don't think they can get Giannis. Right. I don't see a path to that. But they can tweak around the edges. And you seem to love Jaylen Brown, NBA Finals mvp. Drew Holiday's had a bit of a tough goal here in the playoffs. You know, Porzingis is looking like this illness has got him down.

Colin Cowherd (39:22)

I don't know.

Rich Davis (39:23)

Peyton Pritchard. What, what happened to Peyton Pritchard last night?

Mike Krzyzewski (39:25)

Great question.

Rich Davis (39:27)

Did he get five threes?

Mike Krzyzewski (39:28)

Missoula they just stood around in the second half. They didn't move.

Rich Davis (39:34)

You think he gets fired, Missoula, by the way?

Mike Krzyzewski (39:36)

No, I mean, he, he grew a lot first year to second year. So I don't, I don't think they, I think, you know, coaches grow. The JJ Redick will be better next year than this year and he had a very painful exit. Joe Missoula is going to have a very painful exit, is a big favorite who just did not pull enough levers in big spots. Nick Wright, earlier on the Celtics future after the Tatum injury.

Capital One Advertiser (39:57)

If Tatum is out for next season.

Mike Krzyzewski (40:00)

Was last night the last game of Tatum and Brown together?

Capital One Advertiser (40:03)

Maybe. I wouldn't bet that, but maybe it.

Mike Krzyzewski (40:07)

Certainly ends this iteration of Boston, which people were speculating was going to, you.

Capital One Advertiser (40:14)

Know, potentially make some major moves even.

Mike Krzyzewski (40:16)

If they won the championship. Yeah, I mean, the way they've done it, the NBA is eliminated, tanking. I mean, you can do it, but it doesn't help your odds, clearly. And the other thing is it's eliminated dynasty. So you got to break it up. And I, I thought Denver was going to be the next spurs with Jokic. They had to move off key rotational players and it's never been the same. Now they've moved off their coach and they've, you know, Denver's got, you know, a lot of big contracts for a lot of years. And now Boston, I mean, let's be honest, Tatum's deal, Jaylen Brown's deal and one of their other deals is, is it Derek White? They're just starting and those are long term deals. So if those three are the future, that's fine. I like all of those players, but they're going to have to make some moves here. And those windows, we thought Denver, I mean, we thought Denver, this thing was going to last a long time. Oklahoma City, it may just fly past.

Rich Davis (41:13)

Him tonight, you know, slow down with that. Regarding the Celtics demise, can you name the last defending NBA champ to get past the second round of the playoffs the following year after winning the title?

Mike Krzyzewski (41:24)

Golden State.

Rich Davis (41:25)

Yeah. You got to go back to 2018, Colin. Like it's tough to repeat, man, these games where you. 100 games in a season. Oh yeah, 82 plus the playoffs.

Mike Krzyzewski (41:35)

I've been saying this a lot. You got to get rid of seven game, first round series. You're wearing these guys out. You're asking, you're allowing this kind of level of physicality and you want seven games in the first round. You're beating your stars and your older players up. They're Falling apart. So I think you should go. I mean, I would be. Three games in the first round. Jordan played five game first round. I go five, five, five and then seven.

Rich Davis (41:59)

I'm sure the owners will push back. We need the game day revenue, all that stuff. But next time you get Adam Silver, we need to ask him that. Why not go back to, you know, five games in the first round if.

Mike Krzyzewski (42:09)

You'Re gonna allow physicality at the level which is being permitted seven games is just that Celtic Nick game last night. The intensity and physicality of that thing. Tatum earlier in the game hit the floor and it's like, wow. It was like a football collision.

Rich Davis (42:27)

By the way, Denver is starting to age.

Mike Krzyzewski (42:29)

Yes.

Rich Davis (42:30)

Did you see the line tonight? It was 10.

Mike Krzyzewski (42:32)

Yes. I like okay. Season.

Rich Davis (42:33)

I do. I do too. I mean, yeah, you get. Guys are getting older quick, man. These games are rugged.

Mike Krzyzewski (42:40)

Jason Ryan, I'll see you guys tomorrow.

Rich Davis (42:43)

All right, pal. I'll see you tomorrow.

Mike Krzyzewski (42:44)

All right. Somewhere. Be safe. Some NBA action again tonight in la. It's the Herd. Okay.

Colin Cowherd (42:53)

Have you heard about this? Last year, Degree changed the formula for their Cool Rush deodorant and their fans rebelled and wanted the old scent back. And Degree listens. That doesn't happen often. They admitted they effed up and they're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. There's a reason it's the number one men's antiperspirant. And it's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under four bucks. So try and see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart or Target to try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself. Interested in investing in Bitcoin but not.

Capital One Advertiser (43:27)

Sure how to get started?

Colin Cowherd (43:29)

Well, with the Gemini credit card, you can dip your toes into Bitcoin without even trying. Just spend like you normally do, groceries, gas or a night out and instantly earn up to 4% back in Bitcoin or one of over 50 other cryptos straight to your account with no annual fee. The Gemini credit card is pretty much a no brainer. And right now you can grab a $200 bitcoin intro bonus. So go to gemini.comcard to learn more and start earning today. Terms apply. Again, go to gemini.com card. Start building your bitcoin stash now. Terms apply. The Gemini credit card is issued by Web bank. In order to qualify for the Intro 200 crypto bonus, your application must be approved by June 30th, 2025 and spend $3,000 in your first 90 days. Terms apply Some exclusions apply to instant rewards, in which rewards are deposited when the transaction posts. This content is not investment advice and trading Crypto involves risk. For more details on rates, fees and other Gemini credit card terms, see Rates and Fees.

Capital One Advertiser (44:28)

Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a Paychex company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset, your people. Are you ready to become a better leader? Visit paycor.comleaders to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders hey friend, I know.

Better Woman Advertiser (45:05)

How it feels waking up exhausted after multiple trips to the bathroom and feeling embarrassed by sudden leaks. I used to be constantly on edge, so searching for a restroom whenever I was out. Then I discovered better women. I was skeptical at first, but two months in, everything changed. I experienced improved bladder control, no more heart stopping moments when I laugh or sneeze, less urge to go deeper and more restful sleep. I finally felt like myself again, confident and in control. Better Woman is natural, effective and trusted by Women for over 25 years. Ready to take back your control? Head over to bebetternow.com to order your supply today. That's bebetternow.com these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Users directed. Individual results may vary.

Colin Cowherd (46:11)

You're listening to an iHeart podcast.