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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Dan Woike
Now let's get this party started.
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Jay
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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Jason McIntyre
Dan Woicke I wasn't necessarily a free agent but and it wasn't the trading deadline but he's moved to the Athletic and he will cover the Lakers. Athletic does great work. Been a subscriber for a long time like many of you and and congratulations on that.
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Dan Woike
Thank you.
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Jason McIntyre
So it's interesting. Celtics sold for 6 billion. Yep. And I, I think this has been a topic on our show. Jason and Ryan can confirm this. I've been saying for years is all these things are worth way more than you think now that like Saudi Arabia money's involved if you let them in, like live golf proof. There's a lot of money out there, not just for the teams, but the individual.
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Dan Woike
It's a great big world, Colin.
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Jason McIntyre
Big world. So to me, $10 million. I'm like, when Ballmer paid, two people freaked out. I'm like, he bought it cash. There's no banknotes.
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Colin Cowherd
He's good.
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Jason McIntyre
So they don't have a first round pick. There's limitations on the cap. I'm going to suggest that, like the Dodgers, the way to win when Walters got to them first was actually R and D and scouting.
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Dan Woike
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Is that the first moves will not be players but infrastructure.
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Dan Woike
Yeah. It's going to have to be in the shadows, I think. Right. And it's the type of spending you might not, you might not feel right away as a fan, but it's the things that like, you learn to live and love over time. Right. It's like when you buy a new house, like, you don't want to put a bunch of money into the plumbing.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Dan Woike
Like, but you. But like when you've got great plumbing, like and you never have to deal with it, it makes life a lot easier. And I think the Lakers have made strides on this front. Colin. I know that they have kind of that mom and pop reputation because it's, it's a family business. I think over the last few years they, they've really modernized in a lot of ways. There's. But, but they're not all the way there. And I think they had to make strategic decisions still based on kind of sort of the how liquid they were as, as an organization.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Dan Woike
Where it's like if you're putting money into, you know, player services, which, like, they're very good with player services. They treat their stars and their players incredibly. They treat their families incredibly. That's been true for a long time. You know, if you're putting money into that, are you putting money, you know, the same amount of money into things like advanced scouting or pro personnel? And if you're making, you've made choices now, they don't have to make choices. Right. Or they, they certainly have to make fewer. I don't think anybody expects, Mark, while they're coming to light money on fire. But, but if there's value added. You can invest in that. Will you feel that as a Lakers fan in September when they take the court and training camp? Maybe not. Yeah. You know, and I think there is a notion that like right away it's going to be like, oh my God, they've got money now. They're, you know, I saw the drum. They're dangerous. Yeah. This, this I think is more like a generational. Like this is going to be piece by piece over the next 10, 20 years where now all of a sudden they have the power of the brand. Right. They have, they still have, you know, they'll still have the sort of that mom and pop charm, you know, like the fact that, you know, when Luka Dodges gets traded to the Lakers, like, who's there to like greet him and his family and the people around him and his team? It's Genie Buss and Rob Pelinka, like hands on. That's still gonna, that's still there.
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Jason McIntyre
But Mark Cuban said he would do day to day when he sold it. And when people pay 10 billion, they have a tendency to do what they want to do. Yep. I think, I think she's the face of the Lakers out as a non player, I don't doubt that. And she's beloved in the community. She's a wonderful person. But my take is they traded Luca without Mark Cuban knowing.
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John Middlekauff
Yep.
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Jason McIntyre
So I, when I hear that, I'm a little bit of a cynic.
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Dan Woike
So I wonder, Colin, like, and I don't know this, right, because nobody from the Lakers is saying anything, right. Like they have not publicly acknowledged this. The closest that anybody's come to a statement was a Magic Johnson tweet. Right. Like on this. And like Magic doesn't work for the Lakers. So I think like nobody from the Lakers is yet nobody from the Lakers has publicly acknowledged this, this deal at all. But I think what we can infer is we, we do know that Jeannie and Cuban are close. And we also know that if you're Genie Buss and it's important to you that you want this role to be more than ceremonial. I think as the person who's selling the valuable asset, you can do everything you can to write that in as best as possible. And I would assume that that's what she has tried to do now, now how that plays out in the league, how that plays out with the board of governors and all those different things, I'm going to guess that what happened in Dallas was enough. Like, it's not like she's not aware of it.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Dan Woike
So my guess is that she did her best to protect herself as much as possible. I think she's so that. So, so that she will be able to do the things. Now look to your point, is she going to be the sole decision maker? Of course not. Of course not.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, and also if you look at Mark Walter's history, he went and found the best young GM in the league in low, low payroll. Tampa, that was like job one. So I can see Mark Walter saying, who's Sam Presti? Beyond Sam Presti?
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Dan Woike
Sure.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, you know, Utah, Danny Ainge, they got new young ownership. Let's bring in Danny Ainge who had played at byu. I, I think there's a dilemma here with the Lakers. JJ Redick clearly did not trust the big Jackson Hayes. They need a big. And they're also unwilling, I'm told, to move off Austin Reeves.
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Dan Woike
I've told you this very specifically on this team.
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Jason McIntyre
Trust you. My take is now two things are converging.
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Dan Woike
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
They're not moving Austin and they're not close to big enough. I'm watching Chet Holmgren getting better by the week. I'm looking at Wemby, I'm looking at the bigs. Shen Goon, not that I think it's becoming a bit of a point guard league. There's a lot of good skilled bigs in the West.
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Dan Woike
Sure.
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Jason McIntyre
I think the small ball warriors now feel like they've got a hole.
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Dan Woike
Yeah. I think, Colin, they need a center. Yes, right. They absolutely need a center. I think the, the interesting conversations that are happening around the organization is sort of like, how much are you willing to invest? And the guy, if he's maybe not the right guy like you, you have this need. Right. Like, for sure. So you like. The question is, is like with their limited assets and that's we're going to take Reeves off the table here for a second. But you know, they, they have, they have what they traded for Mark Williams is functionally what they have. Plus they have a whole bunch of expiring money. So you can trade Dalton Connect. You can trade either a first round pick in 2031 or 2032, not both. And you can do pick swaps. The swaps aren't that valuable anymore, especially because you have Luka Doncic. The expectation is you're going to be pretty good. So, you know, the question is like, how much of that are you willing to put into play for a player that might be the right guy, but might not be the right guy? You know, Nick Claxton is a name that comes up a lot around the Lakers. When you talk to people around the league, you know, Nick Claxton. If Nick Claxton was the center of the future for the Brooklyn Nets, he wouldn't be available.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Dan Woike
Like, you know, there's a reason why they're kind of a little bit in, a little bit out. And I think that's the type of. Those are the types of decisions that the Lakers have to make going into this offseason. They know they need a center. Yes, clearly. Right. They also, I think, don't want to invest in the wrong one because of what they have. So they're trying to bridge this gap. It might have to be a short term solution, you know, with, with the, with the hunt for the long term guys still out there. And that's tough. But I think the important thing, like if we're talking big picture with Mark Walther and stuff like that, I know LeBron James is on the graphic right behind me. He's standing next to Luka Doncic. And Luka Doncic, that is the future of the franchise.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Dan Woike
And so you were making decisions not just for one year, you know, or two years that you have with LeBron James. You're trying to make decisions for the rest of Luka Dacic's career. And you want to be smart and you want to be deliberate about those. And I think that's going to be kind of. That's the push pull of where they're at as an organization right now as they hunt for the center is do they want to. Do they push more in on a guy that might not be the right guy, but who clearly fills a need? But then, you know, you've created another whole somewhere.
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Jason McIntyre
Here's what's interesting. I've thought about this. The one team they should do a deal with who has a surplus of bigs, it's Dallas. I mean, I know, say what you want. They have like four bigs.
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Dan Woike
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
It's the one team that has bigs and would probably, you know what they need? They need another playmaker because Kyrie's not going to be back. And you say to yourself, that's where I think you call them and go, Listen, Luke and LeBron are playmakers. We don't need a third. We are desperate for a big. That's where I think the Austin Reeves for blank lively becomes a conversation.
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Dan Woike
Sure. And I think that would be a conversation except one. Nobody I've spoken to around the NBA thinks Dallas will make a trade with the Lakers. Just unless they really win that trade. Like very on the nose. Have to like that the fans will not accept another Nico Harrison, Rob Plinker deal after the Luca deal. That makes the Lakers better. Right? That, that's. That. That well has been poisoned now. We'll see. I think, I think that's a bad way of doing business. If you can make it. If you can make a good trade, you make a good trade, you should. It doesn't matter with who. But there's a, I would say a healthy skepticism when I talk to people around the NBA about how a 1 to 1 Lakers Mavericks trade would, would actually work. But I think, I think the thing about, you know, Dallas and, and their surplus of bigs, one, they want to be big too. Right? So that they want to do that. The other part of this, O, Colin, is that when Lucas won, he's had a really good guard next to him. You know, the first time he went to the conference finals, he did it with Jalen Brunson there. The second time he did it, he did it with Kyrie Irving there. Neither of those players are locked down. Defensive stoppers, they're, they're on and off. They're, they're, they're players that can play on and off the ball.
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Jason McIntyre
But the west is really deep, really young, new cba.
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Dan Woike
I think the other part of it though, too, Colin, you mentioned is like, you know, they made, they may be overlapping now with Austin Reeves, luka Nachic and LeBron James, but like, I don't think the organization is making Luka LeBron James decisions, if that makes sense.
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Rocket Mortgage
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Dan Woike
Like, no one knows how much longer LeBron James is going to play for. And so, and I mean, he says it every time he talks about it's not going to be for much longer. And so I think the decisions you're making are like, you're making decisions based on what's best for Luka Doncic and building your team around Luka Doncic.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, finally we did this yesterday. I said after. We kind of threw it together at the end, at the end of our prep meeting, it got a lot of feedback. Apparently.
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Dan Woike
I saw it.
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Jason McIntyre
And so my take is because of COVID people dismissed the Lakers champion. My take is anybody in America that flourished during COVID Tom Brady won a Super Bowl, LeBron won a ring, and the Dodgers won. All of us, doctors, talk show host, podcasters, everybody struggled with COVID Yep. There was, you know, government overreach in some states. I mean, there was just things you couldn't do if you succeeded In Covid, it doesn't diminish what you did. It would be one thing if the Washington Wizards won the title. I'd be okay. It's a crazy year. So I ranked the last seven NBA champs because there's seven different ones, and I think LeBron and AD were easily the best. One and two. Boston's got a better overall roster, but we still don't trust Tatum in a big spot.
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Dan Woike
Sure.
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Jason McIntyre
So anything here. And again, I like the Thunder. They have one score, and he had three bad games in the Finals. Couldn't hit a three, and Holmgren and J Dub disappeared four times. That's not a legendary team. Defense is great, but that's about 30% of pro basketball. Anything here bother you?
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Dan Woike
Bother? No, I wouldn't say I'm bothered. I. The changes that I would make is I would move the Thunder higher, um, because I do sort of believe in, like, what they were able to do defensively and the way they were able to, like, kind of, like, impose havoc on the game. Their balance, their length.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Dan Woike
The perfect. All that stuff. Like, so good. So good. So I. I would probably flip them. I think you had what, Golden State four.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, you're. Nick. Nick Wright said that he'd flip the four and the six, and then I.
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Dan Woike
Would flip five and six, too. I would move Milwaukee down. Like, if you want to point to, like, the weird sort of season, like, the. The weird season was 21.
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Jason McIntyre
They.
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Dan Woike
2020 was a weird season, too. But, like, having, like, I was in the bubble. I covered the 21 playoffs. I was at those finals. Like, it was the first time any of us were in, like, a full arena anywhere. It was like most of those playoffs were played in half arenas, people. Stuff like that.
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Jason McIntyre
It was.
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Dan Woike
It was just a weird.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, Giannis at that point.
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Dan Woike
Yeah, it's unstoppable. I mean, by the way, these teams are all awesome, right? That Toronto team was also awesome. Well, like, Siakam and like, just figuring it out. Kyle Lowry at that time as, like, a floor general. Kawhi was unguardable, absolutely unguardable in those playoffs. Hit huge shots.
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Jason McIntyre
That Milwaukee team that was pre injury.
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Dan Woike
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Giannis was virtually Drew Holiday.
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Dan Woike
A younger Drew Holiday was Middleton. Middleton was really good. That's what I mean. Khalid. Like, this is like one of those things. Like, anything you say about any of these teams is going to sound disrespectful at the bottom of the list because. But they're. And they're all champions. I think the ar. The good argument for the Lakers is that team was awesome all year and they were like and like 24 and 3 and like what Nick said and he's right. They were awesome the next year. Solomon Hill hated in Laker circles on the Internet if he doesn't dive into to LeBron James's leg. You know, like be sure to catch.
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Jay
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Ignore that fool.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me throw this at you. The Katie trade feels so obvious. I'm looking for a crevice and it just feels perfect. Does it not for.
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Dan Woike
For Houston.
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Jason McIntyre
Houston, like they can't threes.
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Dan Woike
Yeah. And they didn't give up anything that.
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Jason McIntyre
They gave up a number 10 pick.
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Dan Woike
That means a ton to their future. Right. Like I think when you talk to people in league circles, Colin, like generally speaking, the thing that people are most afraid of when it comes to team building is long term money.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Dan Woike
And while Dylan Brooks made positive effects on this team this year, that is a long contract.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, also Amend Thompson, such a great defender. Dylan Brooks is less valuable.
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Dan Woike
Tari Eason.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Thank you.
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Dan Woike
So. Yeah, yeah, I like this trade. You know, I think obviously the market for Kevin Durant was really suppressed by Kevin Durant, like, you know, kind of helping dictate where he was going to play. I think the people I've spoken to in Houston very happy that they were able to get him. It wasn't like a full on chase. If it was, they would have put more players into this and would have gotten done earlier. But they protected their assets and I think like yeah, they, they, they solved a hole that they had on their roster. They have a late game bucket getter now. You know who's one of the most unguardable players in league history. And they're doing it on a team that has a bunch of young defenders that has offensive hubs. I like it. But to your point again, whether it's the Lakers, whether the Rockets, whether it's going to be the Thunder next year, I mean there is a ton of good basketball. Let's be playing the Western Conference. It's going to be hard.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Keep your eye on Dallas when all those dudes get healthy. That's a big front line that is in Cooper Flag is going to give you 19 as a rookie.
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Dan Woike
They're going to need somebody to, to pass the basketball.
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Jason McIntyre
Reeves.
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Dan Woike
All right, we'll see. We'll see.
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Jason McIntyre
Sometimes you got to call the ex.
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Dan Woike
I like it.
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Jason McIntyre
I know it ended poorly, but you got to get on the phone with the ex and Say, listen, I apologize.
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Dan Woike
Let's run it back.
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Jason McIntyre
I'll pick up the check.
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Dan Woike
Let's run it back. You ever met my wife like those calls?
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Jason McIntyre
Great stuff. James Moikey at the Athletic. John Middletoff with the news. No, no, no, no, no.
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Dan Woike
Heard on the news.
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Jay
This is the Herd line news.
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John Middlekauff
Speaking of ending poorly, the Steelers, they brought in Aaron Rodgers on a one year deal this offseason, but it sounds like this might be his last ride. In a recent TV appearance, Rogers said that he's pretty sure that this is it while discussing his future in the NFL. What do you think, Colin?
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Jason McIntyre
Thought he would retire? I thought once Minnesota didn't come to fruition, I wouldn't have taken this gig because I don't think, I think we look at the jets as dysfunctional. I look at the Steelers as offensively dysfunctional, not culturally. So I don't think it's a, I mean, they, they, they lost. I don't. This is a team that has a really good, that center from West Virginia, Frazier, they've got an anchor and that's good at Aaron's feet, but they can't get the old line right even though they've drafted it. So I just, I don't know, I just don't, I don't see it ending well.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, my question with Aaron is if this doesn't go well and he gets injured and doesn't play that many games, we'll remember the great times with the Packers. He'll be a first ballot hall of Famer. Can he add anything? You know, Montana went to Kansas City, little cherry on top, took the Chiefs to the, to the AFC championship game. If he were to get this team to double digit wins and win a play, it'd be a nice little.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, it'd be fantastic. You would forget what would happen if he does. That is you look at the jets and go, well, I mean look at Farve. He went to Minnesota and flourished. If he goes to the Steelers and makes the playoffs and wins a game, it is very much the Favre journey where he succeeded everywhere except the totally dysfunctional New York Jazz.
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John Middlekauff
If, if you could give me 80% of that Minnesota Favre season.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, such a good team.
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John Middlekauff
Sign me up. That was so entertaining, that version. We didn't see that coming with far. Most people thought he was shot and he was incredible that year. They got to sneak up on some people. This Steeler team I don't think is going to be sneaking up on anybody. Another story here, Colin, that despite being the number one overall pick Cam Ward hasn't gotten the type of hype and recognition that most top guys typically get. One NFL analyst made a lofty comp for the rookie, comparing him to none other than Patrick Mahomes, saying some of his stylistic standpoint. Cam has a lot of things that look very similar to the way that Mahomes likes to play the game.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, I've heard this criticism and I, and I laugh at this. So people have said he was a no star recruit. Okay. Look at the best quarterbacks in the league. Josh Allen had to beg to get like, was it a junior college scholarship? Aaron went to junior college. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson. His coach said, I'm going to start Mike Glennon. Dak was a fourth rounder. Brady's a six rounder. Purdy's a seventh rounder. Mahomes had a losing record in college. Burrow had to transfer. Show me, tell me the quarterback in the NFL that was a high school American and an unbelievable dominant college player all the way through. Number one pick. Most of the journeys. Big Ben went to Miami of Ohio, not Ohio State. Drew Brees goes to Purdue. Most of the great quarterbacks, they have that Michael Jordan chip because they were overlooked at one point in their career.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah. To me it matters the least with the quarterback position. I think at other positions, you know, you like your wide receiver.
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Jason McIntyre
Stafford's an outlier.
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Dan Woike
Yeah.
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John Middlekauff
You know Julio Jones with wide receivers. Number one recruit. Number one.
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Jason McIntyre
That's right. But Stafford was and Peyton Manning was. Those are total outliers.
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John Middlekauff
Baker Mayfield was a walk on. Joe Burrow was laughed at at Ohio State. Cam Ward started at incarnate word. No one can point that school out on a map.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't even know where that's at. Where is that?
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John Middlekauff
I think it's in Texas. I do think though the comp for Patrick Mahomes, obviously most people are not going to have his accomplishments but his style of play. Watch 18 year olds play basketball. They're chucking threes. They copied Steph Curry. Most quarterbacks now run around and make plays. They play like the days of playing like Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer over are done.
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Jason McIntyre
I think there's, I'm trying to think of the last. I guess CJ Stroud is a classic pocket thrower. His comp was Goff. But those are like the last two, like high first round picks that are absolutely pocket guys because Burrow moves very.
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John Middlekauff
Well and I would say got CJ can move, he just doesn't.
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Jason McIntyre
He does.
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John Middlekauff
Goff is truly now with Cousins being old, the Only guy who cannot move at all.
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Jason McIntyre
Even Stafford at his a little bit.
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John Middlekauff
A little bit. He moves the athlete for sure. Speaking of quarterbacks, how about Arch Manning? After sitting behind Quinn yours for the last couple of years, Arch is finally getting his shot at being the full time starter at the University of Texas. Although he has a ton of hype behind him, including opening as the favorite to win the Heisman. Steve Spurrier, the old ball coach, is questioning if his performance will match the hype they've got.
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Arch Manning already went into high school too. And my question is if he was this good, how come they let Quinn Uwers play all the time last year?
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John Middlekauff
If even though he was hurt a lot. Yeah, yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And he still.
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I
And he was a seventh round pick. You only have to ask the coach, Sark. Yeah. You know, how come you play that one instead of this one? Hopefully he'll say because we thought he was better in that one.
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Dan Woike
Yeah.
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Isn't that why you play one guy not the other?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I will say this in support of Sarko. When you're Texas and you're recruiting five star quarterbacks, Arch Manning and Quinn Ewers, there is some politics with it. You make promises to guys in the nil world. Arch wasn't quite ready, Quinn was ready. Arch is better long term. But if you didn't give Quinn the starts and the guarantees privately he made transfer. So I think the nil world, I think USC's got this situation going on where they have a five star high school kid, average guy in house, but you got to give the in house guy some guarantees or he'll transfer enough one legitimate quarterback in camp. So I will defend Sark and Arch Manning is Ewers had more experience, he was capable of playing. If you didn't give him some certainties with Arch Manning, he may have just said I'm out of here.
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John Middlekauff
And the previous year, Washington in the final four, they were a couple of yards away from winning that game. So they had just had a successful season.
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Jason McIntyre
Yours also won a bunch of games. Yeah.
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John Middlekauff
So there are a lot of variables here. Manning unique family to be able to handle this. They're playing along for you. The height. We're going to find out right away. Texas, Ohio State. I know week one, I'm pretty sure there's going to be a lot of eyeballs on that game. I think we have never had. He's much more like a basketball prospect than a college player because Johnny Manziel, Tim Tebow camp, these guys play. And then the hype, Caleb and Then the height builds. This guy hasn't really played. And his hype, I mean, if it.
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Jason McIntyre
Is very basketballish, if he lives up.
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John Middlekauff
To the hype, he, he might be the greatest prospect in the history of the sport. Just given how much he can handle mentally and obviously physically.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I mean, just, just think if a bad team drafted him, just look at the merch. I mean, Tebow and Reggie Bush sold merch. But I mean, not that you would draft him because of that, but this kid will be like a Caitlin Clark. He will fundamentally change how you're marketed, how you're viewed, your ticket prices. I mean, Arch Manning could be that kind of player where he is going to change things beyond winning and losing. He'll change merchandise, gate, everything.
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John Middlekauff
If he's really good. And obviously their team has been really good. I think University of Texas with the Manning brand, oh has a chance to do like NFL television numbers. Who's going to miss any of their games? Arch Manning is going to be mustache.
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Jason McIntyre
When's the last time college football had a game? 1, 2 to open the season.
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Dan Woike
Doesn't get any better.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't even remember it.
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John Middlekauff
Good as it gets.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, that is a. I mean, I'd argue the three best players in the country will be Jeremiah Smith, the receiver, Ohio State, Caleb Downs, who I think's unbelievable. And if Arch Manning's great. Arch Manning, the three best players in the country will play in the game.
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John Middlekauff
Could be a letdown too. I mean, Ohio State's gonna be pretty good, so it's gonna be a lot of pressure. Arch Manning, you know, he got, he got thrown in that Georgia game, tough situation. Felt a little overwhelmed coming out of the bullpen in that situation when they yanked ewers in that game for a little bit. But I mean, it's. This is as good as it gets. Week one, Ohio State, the defending champs against Arch Manning, I would imagine Peyton and Eli and Cooper and the whole, the whole gang will be there sitting front and center.
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Jason McIntyre
Wow. John Middlekop with the news.
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Jay
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd news. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Jay
LeBron has scored 50,000 points, doesn't have a go to shot. I'm not sure he has a go to shot. It's just a basketball player that makes things happen. LeBron's a freak of nature defensively. He's a freak of nature defensively. LeBron can run point. He can run point. Six, eight point guard. Six, eight point guard. Like he trends like that.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I've never been a big believer that you have to have a go to shot. Kareem did, mostly because in his era he didn't have the ball in his hands. He wasn't a playmaker, he wasn't a shot creator for others. So when he they dumped the ball down low to Kareem. It's often late in the shot clock and you got to get a basket. So, you know, I don't, you know, when he was at ucla, he was, you know, younger version, he'd run the floor. But the truth was his bigs usually, especially back in the 70s and 80s, overwhelmingly and early 90s, you sat in the paint and waited to get the ball dumped to you late. Here's Nick Wright on the Cooper flag LeBron comp. He will be only two weeks older, two weeks older than LeBron was when LeBron entered the league and LeBron skipped college. He turns 19, 19 in December of his rookie year. So the fact that Cooper flag does basically everything pretty well is to me a brilliant place to start. He'll figure out A couple things he does. Great big brand, domestic star, March Madness, Duke. I think it's good for the NBA. I mean, I think that's. I don't think market size matter, but I do think brand matters. Yankees, Dodgers. It's not just New York and la. It's that they're. They're big brands. I mean, the Atlanta Braves and the Cubs. If the Cubs get into the playoffs. Yeah, part of it Chicago. Part of it's the brand Atlanta. And I just think a Duke basketball player who we watched a ton, I mean, he's the most watched college basketball player this year, so it'll be fun tomorrow. It's last year I wasn't even looking forward to the draft. I said this last year, the WNBA draft had seven or eight players I had seen play. The NBA draft was very international. A couple of guys from France. I'm not somebody that's watching a lot of that International League YouTube stuff, so I didn't have much familiarity with it, but I think this is one I'll watch. This will be an interesting draft.
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John Middlekauff
You know, I see Bobby Hurley sometimes at a gym in Scottsdale, and there's something powerful about that Duke brand. You know, you just. You just see that.
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Dan Woike
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John Middlekauff
I mean, what it did for Zion, what it did for a lot of the guys over the Coach K era, it's pretty. The Cooper Flag this year was fun. It was fun to watch him play.
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Jason McIntyre
So when I. My first sports casting job, I was lucky enough to get a job in Las Vegas. And after a couple years, the Rebels had Larry Johnson, Stacy Ogman, Greg Anthony Tark chewing the towel. So it was the running Rebels, and it really was a stacked team. Stacy Ogman. Yet, like, you know, Anderson Hunt didn't become an NBA guy, but you had a lot of NBA size and length, and they played those Duke teams. And the first year they played him in the Final Four in the championship in Denver. I was at that game. And they took him apart. Georgia Tech had a team with Kenny Anderson and. And Dennis Scott. I remember that. And UNLV was a machine the following year. And Bobby Hurley was there the following year. Duke had Grant Hill as a freshman. Remember that? And. And UNLV came in as a massive favorite, and they knocked him off because Grant Hill was so good. Still, I still think he's the most talented guy. I think Grant Hill's the best Dukey I've ever seen. Now, Christian Laettner was a better college player. Grant was a better talent. I think Cooper Flag has a chance to be Their best player ever.
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John Middlekauff
I think Grant, I mean those Sprite commercials when he got to the NBA, like him and Kobe were about to take over for Michael and then he just had injuries. It derailed his career. Grant was pretty special. If Cooper Flag can be as good as Grant Hill was before the injuries, it's going to be. I mean, I don't know how the Dallas Mavericks ended up with the number one overall pick. Some shadiness going on there, but they should feel pretty lucky.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, the. You know you mentioned Bobby Hurley. I had Chevsky on a month ago and I asked him in all your years of coaching, was there ever a player? I mean, he was there. How many years was he almost there? 40 years. All your years at Duke, what's the one player that ended up. You knew he was good, he was better. And he said Bobby Hurley, he goes, I can remember watching in games and turning to an assistant and he's like, he is he. You know, the Hurley family, he's like, he's better than I thought he was. Bobby Hurley was such a unique. And then he went to Sacramento and there's that if you remember.
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John Middlekauff
Got in an accident there.
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Jason McIntyre
Really bad accident and really scary. I almost took his life.
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John Middlekauff
If I recall walking by him a couple times, you just. He doesn't. Quite the intensity of his brother, but there is an intensity to that family. You know, just at any moment, you got to just be ready.
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Jason McIntyre
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