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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
Who can contact your teen and the content they can see. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Greg Olson
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio and it was to many amazing that Shadour Sanders fell on the draft with that one of my favorite people at Fox, Greg Olson, 14 years in the NFL is now joining us live. You know, I heard it was funny after Friday show Greg before the second round. But after my show, I called an executive in the league and he said to me, he goes watch the next six picks and the first six picks in the second round. And he says if those first six picks in the second round, if they don't take Shador. What the league is telling you is we see him as a backup now and backup quarterback, as Albert Breer said today, we want it to be like mixed in with the furniture. Like backup quarterback is a guy that can go into a local mall with sunglasses and nobody recognizes him. Not Cam Newton or Tim Tebow. So were you shocked or once he didn't go in the first, were you shocked that he fell?
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Greg Olson
I think that's the, that's the name of the game, right? So there, there's an inverse relationship in the NFL. So we'll just start just generally speaking, with most roster players, not just the quarterback, there's an inverse ratio between. The more you bring with you, the more. I don't want to call it distraction because sometimes it's a real net positive, right? We'll call it attention. The more attention you bring upon yourself, the more attention you go out and seek, the more the teams will tolerate more of it, the better a player you are. Right? So there's like this inverse relationship between those two elements. Now you add into the fact that it's the quarterback, right? The league has shown us, and there's a million examples the league has shown us they want guys that don't. There's no extra, there's no concerns, there's no where's his head at? Where is he? Where is his attention lying? What are his priorities? And again, I don't know Shador that well, obviously Deion, and we all know his background. But I think as the draft gets later and later, the element was, is the guy good enough to play in the NFL? Yes. Is he a top tier talent where we're willing to then also take maybe everything else that comes with it? And, and I think a lot of it's harmless. I think a lot of it's attention seeking. I think it's an environment that we've created in college where, you know, there's a lot more that comes with playing quarterback nowadays in college than it was when, when I was in college. So I think that we've almost created that as a system and as a society. And now teams have to make a decision if that guy's not going to Be my all pro quarterback. Do I want to put up with it? And I think that's really the, the test that we saw play out over the course of the draft. And, and listen, could he end up being a steal there in the fifth round? Yes. Has he shown at two different spots in colleges that he could go to teams that didn't necessarily have a great tradition of winning and turn the program around and bring attention and energy and buzz? Absolutely. He did it twice. So I'm not, I'm not throwing him yet. I'm not throwing him to the wolves and saying he has no career. But I think he needs to take a good hard reset and say, you know what it's all about ball. It's all about me giving myself to have a chance to have a career in this league. And if it's as a backup and then I work to a starter, whatever that path is. But the league, I think, has shown and the message was pretty clear, you better be really, really talented, especially at quarterback, if we're going to put up with a lot of other attention, a lot of other things.
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Colin Cowherd
So you're a former Miami Hurricane. Cam Ward was a zero star recruit. I watched him at Washington State. I thought, oh, that's fun. But he's not an NFL guy. Then he goes to Miami and I'm like, okay, that works. You watch a lot of Hurricane football. Did you, when you were watching him this year, did you think, oh, that's the number one pick in the draft? I mean, did you, did you see it immediately?
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Greg Olson
You know, so it's kind of funny. I think Cam Ward is such a great example, especially in this, like, college football landscape where the zero star guy, multiple colleges, three stops later, one year at Miami, and he's the number one overall pick and he couldn't buy a scholarship at a high school. And then all the kids making 10, you know, $10 million nil deals that are five stars are now on their fifth school. They've all trended downward and they're all fighting. Not all, but many of them are fighting for their lives. I think it's a great reminder for everybody out there that although the system is what it is, it's by no means indicative of what your future is. On top of that, to answer your question, I had dinner with Mario Cr. So Mario Cristobal, the head football coach at Miami. He was my tight end coach in Miami. I've known him since I was 16. He recruited me when I was a sophomore in high school, when he was at Rutgers with Greg Shiano, we go way back and I had dinner with him after spring ball, before summer camp, before last season, and he said, greg, we've had a lot of like dogs in this, you know, the, the Sean Taylors and the entrel roles and the, you know, Edgar and James. And we've had some really big time personalities that have taken charge of a locker room. Here he goes. In all my years at Miami, I'm not sure if we've had a guy like Cam Ward, who from day one changed everything about who we were, our identity, how we practice, how we met. He goes, wait till you see this kid this year. I went to the opening game down at the Swamp in person on the sideline and watched him. His first ever start in Miami against Florida. And I came away and I don't know if I would have said he's the number one overall pick, Right. The footwork's a little awkward. He throws off plane. I wouldn't say it's how you would necessarily teach a young kid to play. It's a little more Mahomes ish as far as a little unconventional but special. But his season is pretty remarkable. What he did at Miami, the culture and energy besides just the player. To a man at Miami. When you said, who is the most impactful player in that locker room in the last five, 10 years, it's Cam Ward.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's a great story. He looks as a great kid. Explain to me. I would put Travis Hunter on offense and I'd want him in the offensive meeting rooms, but he's too good. If there's a shohei thing here, probably too good not to play on defense. Explain to me install day, how does that work? What meeting is he in?
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Greg Olson
All right, so if I was the coach, right, I have the magic wand and I'm in charge. I'm putting him to start in mostly defensive back meetings. I think playing wide receiver young in the NFL is a little bit easier, especially when you consider how talented he is physically. It's a little bit easier to build offensive packages for a wide receiver and start those out. You know, he might have 10, 15 calls in any game plan going into any week than it is to do the opposite, to spend all of your time on offense and then we're going to build out a defensive coverage plan. It doesn't really work like that. Playing corner, especially young in the NFL is incredibly difficult. They're hard to find. They don't grow on trees. There just are more wide receivers in all shapes and sizes that can run catch Athletic and create problems with the ball in their hand. So I agree. You got to use them on both. I would emphasize early teaching him how to be an all pro corner and then he can learn and then offense, there's, there's packages, there's reverses, screens. Teach him a handful of the route tree, teach him the offense and you can slow play and almost protect him as an offensive play caller because we can tell him exactly what your role is. Here are the plays to be prepared for on defense. You're at corner. We've got to be able to play man zone, two high, single high zone. We've got to be able to play fire blitz zones. The other team could come out in two backs. They can come out and spread. You could play to the boundary, you could play to the field. Defense is a, there's a lot more on your plate because you're reacting to what the offense can do. Offensive play caller, I can control what I expose him to, especially early, not overwhelm him, control that side of the ball. So that's how I would handle him. I just think defensive back in the NFL nowadays with the passing of the league and the way the league is going, you just can't find enough of those guys. And when you find a special one, he needs to play defense.
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Colin Cowherd
So you, your career at the end was with Pete Carroll, one of the few draft picks that I felt was kind of obvious. I didn't hit on many of them, but I thought Ashton Genty, Gino Smith is actually a pretty darn good quarterback. When he throws on play action, when you force him to throw on third and 11, you know that's, that's the Mahomes, Josh Allen, where they can make it work. You know Pete, you know how he views the running game. Talk a little bit that about that with Genty who's dynamic, but you can also get short yardage with because he's so strong.
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Greg Olson
Yeah, I'm with you. I, I think as of all the drafts there in the top 10, call it, that one made the most sense. Like that just felt that's his Marshawn, that's his, that's his bell cow, that's his guy. That, that is the identity of Pete. Play great defense, control the run, play action. He went out and got brought Geno with him. Geno understands what Pete wants to be, understands the offense he wants to implement. And then you factor in he's got two young tight ends. I would argue Brock Bowers, he very well could be the best young tight end to come out of college in the last 10 years. Like I think he's that special. Thought he was that good when he was at Georgia. So two young tight ends with. With mayor from. From Notre Dame from the previous year. Now Brock Bowers going into his SEC second year. Continue to invest in an offensive line. Now a Bell Cow quarterback, running back. Get under center with Gino, play action on early downs. You're right. The guys that make 65, $70 million, those guys are good on first and second down and they're good on third and 15. When everyone in the building knows it's a pass. That's why there's Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, etc. The vast majority of the league, and this is not a knock the vast majority of the league, the formula is you want to throw play action downs on first and second down. Yeah. And you do not want to be in must pass downs. That is the formula on 90% of NFL rosters until you have the elite of the elite. And every down is a passing down. But there's only a couple of those guys. So I think the formula works. He has showed that it's worked for a long time. He's got the quarterback that can do it. He's got it back now. He's got the tight ends continue to invest in the offensive line. And all of a sudden this looks like what a Pete Carroll offense wants to be.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally. You played with Cam Newton, a spectacularly gifted athlete who was also a good pocket guy when he wanted to be. You also played in Chicago and you were a big part of Cam's career, the tight end. Okay, so now the Bears with a spectacularly talented quarterback in Chicago, say, we're going to get another tight end. So I, I think that you could say, boy, Colston Loveland went high. They just got Roma Dunze. They had Cole Comet. But there is just talk about why tight end is so crucial for everybody but really athletic quarterbacks. And I mean, you were Cam's guy and I don't know, I just look at Caleb and Colston and I think that's going to work and I loved the pick. Or is it just this that tight ends mean more to young quarterbacks? Is that it?
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Greg Olson
Well, I definitely think tight ends mean a lot to young quarterbacks. I think that's been proven. There's a lot of examples throughout. But I also just think tight ends bring a lot of value in today's style. The way that these offensive coordinators, you know, you look obviously Ben Johnson now you the style in which these offensive play callers want to operate the tight end is a huge role in that because again, like we said, if you want to get under center and you want to get into early play action on run 50, 50 downs and you want to be able to keep the defense in single high coverages for all your crossers and your layers and all your DE shots, you can't be in 11, you can't be in 10 personnel.
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Joel Klatt
Right.
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Greg Olson
You can't have four wide receiver types and one back in the back.
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Colin Cowherd
Right?
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Greg Olson
So you got to have somebody that can keep you honest in the Y position, the tight end position. He could be an off ball player, he's an on ball player. There's a lot of ways to do it, but there needs to be some form of threat on first and second down that you're not just in past personnel in shotgun the entire game. We've seen that that approach across the league is very difficult. So now you bring in Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams. Now you have Cole commit, who you mentioned, Rome Dunes A from last year. Don't forget they got dj, you know, DJ Moore from the, from the Bryce Young trade, you know, a couple years ago. Now you add in, you know, so all of a sudden now they've invested multiple offensive linemen. They're saying we need our number one.
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Joel Klatt
Overall pick to succeed.
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Greg Olson
We got him the coach, we've got him the line, we've got him the skill players. Now we'll worry about going back and worrying about building up the defense. But remember offensive coaches, Colin, if you're good on offense and the defense struggles, you can always find a new defensive coordinator. That's the formula.
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Joel Klatt
We see that.
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Greg Olson
I hate to say it, but when they were struggling in Philadelphia and they couldn't get the defense right following Jonathan Gannon, all of a sudden, a year later, who's available? Vic Fangio. Yeah. All of a sudden in the Cincinnati, they've got the greatest offense in the league, offensive minded coach and Zach Robinson. And Zach, Zach and Taylor. Zach Taylor. And what do they do? They get rid of a defensive coordinator who was up to be a head coach just a year or two before. So that's the formula. Get your young quarterback settled, get your new offensive minded head coach, Ben Johnson, get him going on offense and then we have time to finish up complimenting the defense. That's the NFL formula. And I think the Bears have four to five wins built into this just by getting organized offensively with Ben Johnson and company. I think there's a four game elevation within that roster just by getting organized offensively.
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Colin Cowherd
Greg Olson, you do great work, my friend, as always. I appreciate you stopping by.
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Greg Olson
Appreciate you. Thanks, Tom.
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Colin Cowherd
You bet. Always love Greg coming on the show. Yeah, it's. I mean, you can tell that Ryan Polls and Ben Johnson have said we got to get Caleb Williams, right? We got to make sure. And listen, it's not going to take long if you're the guy with those weapons. I mean, Jaden Daniels did it in September with Terry McLaurin and that's about it. Terry McLaurin so I think Chicago is going to be good. I think they're going to be a playoff team. They don't have the overall roster of the Detroit, but I think they can go toe to toe offensively with them. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app.
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's not waste any time. Jmac with the news. No, no, no.
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Greg Olson
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herdline news.
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Jmac
All right, Colin, let's get started with how about this? The Tennessee Titans, we love the Cam Ward pick number one overall. However, there is some concern. What do you do with Will Levis? Do you trade him? You make him the backup? According to GM Mike Borgonzi, the Titans did not look to trade Levitz and believe there's an advantage to keeping Will Leviss.
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Greg Olson
It's a lot of value, you know, I think, you know there's going to be competition in every room and he elevates the competition in that room. That's what we're trying to do here as we get into training camp is have the the the best 90 man roster, best competition, every room and Will certainly provides that.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me defend Will Levis here.
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Jmac
Somebody please do that.
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Colin Cowherd
I haven't defended. Will Levis goes from a bottom starting quarterback to a top eight to 10 backup quarterback.
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Jmac
Based on what?
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Colin Cowherd
Based on the fact that he's actually really talented with a really good arm. He's not a franchise quarterback, but he could be an exceptional backup.
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Jmac
Winston or. Or Will Levis is your backup?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, Jameis is probably a top three backup, so I would say Jameis Winston. But Kenny Pickett or Will Levis. Will Levis has a bigger arm. Again, what's the role? I love Mikhail Bridges. Not as my star. If he's my third offensive player, I would love Mikhail Bridges.
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Jmac
Hold on. The GM column went on to say, these guys are going to get an equal amount of radio reps heading into training camp. So is that just lip service? Hey, Will. It's not over, Cam. You got to earn it. Is that what that is right there? Pretty much.
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Colin Cowherd
No, Borgazi is a very sharp guy. He's from Kansas City. Very sharp guy.
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Greg Olson
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
He said they'll get equal reps in training camp. He didn't say that. He get equal reps in September. It's training camp. We're going to give. Let young guys compete for it. Listen, there is no question Cam Ward is a really talented quarterback and he's going to win that job. I don't have a problem in camp sharing snaps. I really don't.
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Jmac
Assuming no injury, if Cam Ward isn't the week one starter, I will ride that train or bus or whatever public transportation you're taking to check out. I'll ride that with you. With a shirt that says, like, I love the Bears. Cam Ward is a lock, a mortal lock to be the starter. I. I don't. I don't buy there's any chance Will Levis has a crack at this. I mean, I'm surprised you think he's a good backup. This is a guy you were bagging on all last season. I mean, how many times did Callahan f bomb him when he was screwing up and throwing games away?
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, I would argue Zach Wilson is somebody I don't think is a franchise guy. He's a top 10 backup. He's also got multiple starts in New York City. So I'm like, you put him in Arizona, a smaller market. This kid started in New York City, played in lousy weather, taking a beating from the press. Zach Wilson's a very capable backup. I always said the bad backup in the NFL, if you get two starts, can you win one? Now, if we get to five starts, I can't expect you to win more than two. And it may be one. But I just need you. If I give you two starts, can you win one of them? If I give you four, I'm asking too much to win two of them.
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Greg Olson
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
You have to be realistic about the position. Yeah.
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Jmac
Justin Fields was a good backup last year. Now he's a starter. Different ball.
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Colin Cowherd
That's a different field, right?
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Greg Olson
Yeah.
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Jmac
All right, next up is the New England Patriots. They got Will Campbell. I think I heard you say earlier you're not in love with him. Fourth overall left tackle. But it's what they did in the second round that's gotten some attention. According to Patriots insider Phil Perry, Trayvon Henderson out of Ohio State was the most impactful selection for the Patriots.
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Greg Olson
He's a passing game player. He's going to be a threat in the passing game. He's going to be easy outlet for Drake May and he's the kind of player where as soon as he touches it, he's a threat to score. Not only that, but he is a beast in pass protection. And so again where you're trying to surround your quarterback with people that are going to keep him safe and make him look better than he might be at times, Travian Henderson is exactly the way to go. So I really like that they went and they got him after protecting him in the first round, get him a weapon in the second round. He was one of the best in this year's draft.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I'm going to say I know he went in the second round and I know he played at Ohio State. I think he is the most underrated player that out of the first round in the draft. I think he's going to be a star. I Wow. I the other back who people like, I just don't see. I don't think he's that dynamic. I, I think there are certain players that you watch and I think Ashton Gente had this when I watched them against Oregon. I think there are certain players you watch a college football and Ohio State plays big time teams. They look different on tv, they've got a different gear. I think he's going to walk in and be a thousand yard back as a rookie. Be an unbelievable blocker in the backfield. I think this kid is. I think he looks a lot like Jir Gibbs, but a better BL I think he looks a lot like and Gibbs got Lions got heat for drafting him. Gibbs has been an unbelievable hit. I think this kid is special.
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Jmac
So Henderson, remember arrived at Ohio State with some Heisman hype like this guy's that good?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Jmac
I just listen, I like him a lot. I think he's gonna be a big factor. I just wonder Colin, how easy is it to defend the Buckeyes when they've got two first round receivers, Jeremiah Smith, the freshman and then a Buka. Right. And then you've got two great running backs like they were extremely difficult to defend. So Henderson just totally dominated. Is he going to be that good in the pros?
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Colin Cowherd
You he'll be Gibbs level, I think. I don't think he's quite as good as a pure back but I think he does other things well. And also Ohio State's weakness, you could argue because of injuries was their O line Their receivers, their pass rush. I mean, Ohio State was really good at a lot of spots. They didn't have a superstar quarterback and their O line was banged up for most of the year.
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Jmac
You know what I hate is that you're right about the Patriots. They're going to be better than the jets next year. I feel sadly confident in saying that. Final stories to the NBA. This story just popped in the last hour. Colin. I love it. The league is considering a change to the All Star format, probably because Colin Cowherd crushes it every chance he gets. So according to Adam Silver, the NBA is considering a USA versus the world format.
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Colin Cowherd
Love it.
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Jmac
Now in the Olympics, it was fire. I mean, the US versus who they play. They played Canada, they played Serbia. Every match was thrilling. This would, the All Star game would shift from Sunday to Saturday, which would allow the Olympics coverage from Milan to transition into the All Star game. Colin, I, I kind of love this. Now we do have a graphic with a potential player pool from the USA which is stacked. Obviously you got veterans like Curry and LeBron, but that even KD, that's three guys over like 35. Even the Young Bucks AD, I'm sorry, Anthony Edwards, Tyres, Halliburton, Tatum.
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Colin Cowherd
This would be so good.
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Jmac
Yeah. Now the, the world team, Colin. Look at that, a lot of bigs, right? Wemby, Porzingis, Jokic, not as many guards, which I think hurts. But like Jamal Murray didn't make it from Canada. I, I, I think this would be absolutely thrilling. I, I'm all 100% all in.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, look at how good European bigs are. Good lord. I mean, I, I'll tell you this. America really cares about stuff once they're not good at it or are threatened if you threaten us. Like remember when we played Canada, you know that, that usa, Canada, that the all Star NHL thing. Yeah. I mean that all we get. You know, we're like most nations, we're very tribal and we've won a lot of stuff. So I think this is brilliant. I think I would absolutely watch this. Totally interesting.
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Jmac
I know you were up late last night in the Windy City watching Sengun dominate. He looks like a major big time player in this league, man. He's a young guy, not even 25 yet. And other than Draymond, nobody could stop him on the warriors. Like these European dudes can play.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, their bigs are really skilled. J Mac with a news.
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Greg Olson
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line news.
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Colin Cowherd
Joel Klatt has some final thoughts on Shadour Sanders in the NFL draft. He will join us next. It's the herd. One more heard the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, Steve Covino.
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Greg Olson
And I'm Rich Davis and together we're.
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Colin Cowherd
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5.
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Joel Klatt
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to do amigos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back. You know Joel Clatt front and center in Green Bay for the NFL draft. He's going to join us live. We're going to wrap some draft stuff up right now with Joel Clatt who is going to join us live. So, you know, I, I was told after my show, show Friday. So I done the hurt on Friday. We hadn't got to the second round yet. And I talked to an executive in the league that says if Shador doesn't get drafted in the first six picks of the second round, he is then viewed as a backup. And he goes, I'm just going to tell you there's, you know, he used a, a little sharper language. He said not a lot of people are going to be excited about, you know, that circus as a backup. Yeah, it's a totally different position. I've said Before. I think Will Levis as a backup could be great. I'm not building my franchise personality and everything. So let's talk about the temperament of the backup quarterback and how much that could have hurt Shador.
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Joel Klatt
I think it's the thing that hurt him, Colin. It was the biggest issue because I would even move it ahead. You know, you said that that executive said the first six picks of the second round. I actually thought it was after New York traded back into the first and didn't select him. That means that Cleveland was on the clock twice in the first round, didn't select them. It meant that New Orleans didn't select him. They were on the clock. It meant that Pittsburgh didn't select him. They were on the clock. It means the Giants executed a trade to get back on the clock. They didn't select him at that point. I knew right then he was viewed as a backup. And once you're viewed as a backup now, it actually becomes more about your personality than it does your play. Which is why some of those other guys actually went before him. And it's not just that they didn't disliked his personality. Here's the issue, and I've said this on a couple of different places, including my show, Colin. I said no team wants the story to be in the backup quarterback's locker. And it's not that they can't control the narrative. All right, they can probably feel like they can control the narrative in the team, but they can't control the media. And when the media walks in and Tim Tebow is the backup quarterback, guess who everyone goes and talks to Tim Tebow and then they ask all the team about Tim Tebow. Same thing happened with Colin Kaepernick. It's part of the reason why they didn't last long as backups is part of the reason Cam Newton isn't a backup. Because he becomes the story. Right? And I think that was the case with Shador Sanders. That's 100%, at least in my estimation, what happened. And I don't buy at all, not for one second, that there was some sort of overarching collusion amongst the ownership of the National Football League to. To. To teach him a lesson. I don't believe that that was the case. This is too competitive an industry where everyone's trying to get a leg up. If they viewed him as a starter, they would have selected him in the first 21 picks of the draft.
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Colin Cowherd
So you know Colorado football. You played there. You know it well. I have asked multiple NFL people, how do you make the offensive defensive player work simultaneously. Let me ask you, how did Colorado do the meeting rooms for Travis Hunter?
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, so he primarily would split it up based on day, you know, so he would go on on Tuesdays to offense, for example, and days to defensive meetings. And then by and large he would be in what I would call like a load management kind of position during practice. So didn't practice a ton because they knew that he was going to be taking 120 snaps. I think more important to how he divvies up his time though, if you're going to have this player play both ways, your coach has to have an immense amount of courage. Your GM has to have an immense amount of courage. And this is what the, this is where the beauty of Dion comes in. This is why Travis chose Dion in the first place and as the top ranked recruit in the country went to Jackson State is because he knew that when Deion said, yeah, you're going to play both ways, that Deion meant it and that he wouldn't back off of that because the pressure is immense on head coaches and Liam, Liam Cohen is an offensive guy. So he's going to sit there and be like, why need Travis in my meetings and I need him on my side of the ball during practice and the defensive coordinator is going to pound the table and say the same thing. And what you need is an adult voice in the room that says, no, this is the plan and this is how we're going to do this. The media is going to be asking about, well, isn't he going to get injured? Isn't this too many snaps? So the beauty of what happened at Colorado wasn't their plan and the way that they orchestrated the weak call and it was the courage that Dion had that in the face of all the questions and all the pressure, he sat there and said, no, he's a two way player and he's going to continue to be a two way player.
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Colin Cowherd
So I've said annually, the college football media can drive me crazy when they're trying to convince me that a heart tugging SMU story deserves to be in. And I'm like, guys, most the best players go into the SEC in Big Ten and the best players come out of the conferences. Look at the college recruiting rankings. In recruiting, that's going to tell you who's got the best players. On average, everybody misses on recruits. But if you have 12 five star guys and you miss on six, you still have six five star guys. So 26 of 32 first round players were SEC or Big Ten guys. To me, this is validation of if you have to put another Big Ten team in the playoff, can we all just acknowledge that's where the best players are? How did you view it?
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm in 100% agreement with you. If you go even past the first round, you look at the first 45 picks. Ohio State had seven of them. That's 15% of the draft at that point. You know, is, is Ohio State players, which is why they won the national championship. So I agree with you. Which is. Which is why, and we're going to get into this as this summer rolls on and we get closer to the season. This is why the proposal from the Big Ten and the SEC in terms of the way that the playoffs should be structured moving forward is exactly right. It will grow to 14 teams and it should be four automatic births for each of those conferences. The Big Ten and the SEC, they are just better. And it sets up structurally much better for college football that way because the other conferences actually have an avenue to get a second team in, so. Which I don't think that they really do right now in the 12 team format. So. So you're right. Although I will just say, like, people don't want to hear that. They don't want to look at those numbers and, and actually view it as reality. They want to bury their head in the sand and remember yesteryear of 1988 and 1989 and think of college football as this great, you know, depth and width of, of the entire country playing at a high level. And candidly, that's just not quite the case.
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Colin Cowherd
I want to talk about Quinn Ewers because you talk about drop in the draft. A year ago, people said first round pick. Now, full disclosure, I had said, I just never saw it. I didn't really get it. And I felt that about other quarterbacks. I like Kyle McCord at Syracuse much more than I like Quinn Ewers. Now, he was drafted ahead of him, maybe not that much, a couple of rounds. But when he fell, nobody really discussed it because the Shador story overwhelmed everybody. But there was a time, high school and college, where he was the guy. What happened over his development, which clearly didn't land with NFL GMs?
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Joel Klatt
Well, a couple of things. I think that the injury issue was. Was tough on Quint.
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Greg Olson
Remember he.
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Joel Klatt
There was never a season where he started every game. You know, every year he got banged up and missed time. And you just can't do that in the National Football League at that position. They just Frown upon that so. So drastically. The other part would say when. When you evaluate Quinn, what you see is. Is a guy that has talent. But I'm going to talk about pitch selection. I think it's very important that you can show a repertoire of pitches. As a quarterback, you've got to be able to drive the football. You've got to be able to throw with touch. You've got to be able to throw deep down the field. Colin, you've got to be able to throw the layered ball over the linebacker and in front of the safety. And there were times when Quinn only threw with touch and he didn't drive the football into tight windows. And I think there were times that that hurt Texas.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
And I think that that hurt him ultimately in the evaluation.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Finally. I didn't. I don't think Dion helped his son a lot with some of the, you know, we're going to go. This can be on our terms. I think you have to be very careful about that. I think a John Elway or an Eli Manning dad is different because Peyton was the mvp.
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Joel Klatt
It was also a different league. Let's face it, like the league's a behemoth now. It wasn't quite the behemoth that it was. Even in eli's case, the NFL wasn't what we know the NFL to be even in the early 2000s. It is a behemoth now. Look at what it does to the TV networks. I mean, it sells. It sells games to television networks and then turns around and sells the exact same games to other networks and doesn't give them a refund. You know, like this. This place is a behemoth. This is a different league. And I think that they overplayed their hand in that regard.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, by the way, it's happened before now. It happens a. At the high school and college level. It doesn't happen at the pro level a lot. But I also think, listen, I think he's the most underdrafted player. I think Travy and Henderson of Ohio State is second and he went in the second round. I think he's going to be a star. I think he's going to be a thousand yard rusher for the Patriots. We have a minute left. I think he's a sensational player. What did you make? I mean, I think New England's going to be the most improved team in the league.
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Joel Klatt
I thought if I were to grade drafts, I thought New England had the best draft because of. Of what they found at the end of the year. With Drake May. And then what? They provided him protection with Will Campbell. Playmakers on the outside. I love the Kyle Williams pick, by the way. I think he's a really good player.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Joel Klatt
So, like they got value with their guys. And then, Colin, I'll just end with this. Was there a better interview answer than Will Campbell wiping his tears away and then saying, I'm going to fight and die to protect that guy? And I was like, you bet. Let's go. I thought New England had a great draft.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, between the 200 million they spent in free agency in the draft, they probably found eight to nine starters. By the way, I'm glad you mentioned Kyle Williams, the receiver for Washington State, because again, this is a program people don't watch a lot of. He is a total baller. He is a aggressive home run hitter. So I'm with you. The Patriots have massively upgraded. Joel Klatt, Fox Sports. Good seeing you, buddy. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's. That's one of the things that's so great about the NFL. You know, in baseball, you know, even a Bryce Harper can go to the minor leagues. In basketball, you're drafting 18, 19 year olds. Right. Like, even Jalen Green, who we think is amazing, he's been lost in three or four games. Three or four games in this series. In the NFL. New England's awful. They go get six starters in free agency. They don't have to be high end starters. They can be B players. Then they go get three or four excellent draft picks. They probably have eight to nine new starters. A much better coach in Mike Frable. I'll say it again. New England's making the playoffs. They are my Denver Broncos or Washington commanders from last year, where I think Vegas is sleeping on them. I think New England's going to be a nine win team. They're not a Super bowl team. They're not Buffalo. Okay?
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Greg Olson
But it was like such a perfect golden time.
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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