Hour 3 – Handing JJ McCarthy the Keys, Golden Era Gone for the Steelers

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3: “Handing JJ McCarthy the Keys, Golden Era Gone for the Steelers”

Release Date: July 8, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Description: The Herd with Colin Cowherd is a thought-provoking, opinionated, and topic-driven journey through the top sports stories of the day. In this episode, the discussion centers around significant quarterback developments in the NFL, specifically focusing on the Minnesota Vikings and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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1. Kirk Cousins’ Departure and Feelings of Betrayal

The episode opens with a detailed analysis of Kirk Cousins' recent move from the Minnesota Vikings to the Atlanta Falcons. The discussion highlights Cousins' feelings of being misled by the Falcons during the drafting of Michael Penix Jr.

• Jonas Knox [04:00]: "Kirk Cousins expressed that if he had better information regarding free agency, it might have influenced his decision to leave Minnesota. He felt a bit misled by the Falcons’ handling of the quarterback draft."

• Podcast Host [05:13]: "Cousins’ frustration stems from the Falcons drafting another quarterback shortly after signing him, indicating a lack of confidence in his long-term role with the team."

2. Atlanta Falcons’ Drafting of Michael Penix Jr.

The Falcons' decision to draft Michael Penix Jr. in the first round was unexpected, especially after investing heavily in Cousins. The hosts debate whether the Falcons intentionally misled Cousins or if the draft situation evolved unexpectedly.

• Jonas Knox [07:59]: "It’s unlikely the Falcons outright lied to Cousins. Instead, as the draft progressed, they may have become more interested in Penix, leading to their unexpected move."

• Podcast Host [06:21]: "Penix’s draft position at eighth overall raised eyebrows since many top talents were already selected. This made Cousins question the Falcons' initial commitment."

3. Transition to JJ McCarthy’s Role in the Minnesota Vikings

Following Cousins' departure, the conversation shifts to JJ McCarthy, whom the Vikings have entrusted with the starting quarterback position. There is significant pressure on McCarthy to perform, akin to receiving the "keys to a Ferrari."

• Jonas Knox [21:31]: "Alec Lewis of The Athletic metaphorically stated that the Vikings have given McCarthy the keys to a Ferrari, emphasizing the high expectations placed upon him."

• Podcast Host [15:45] Jonas Knox [17:53]: "The expectation for McCarthy to excel immediately is part of the 'microwave NFL' culture, where patience is scarce, and quick results are demanded."

4. Potential Return of Kirk Cousins to Minnesota

There is speculation about whether Cousins might return to Minnesota if McCarthy struggles, especially since Cousins expressed dissatisfaction with the Falcons.

• Jonas Knox [13:35]: "If McCarthy fails to meet expectations early in the season, the Vikings might reach out to the Falcons to negotiate Cousins’ return, fulfilling his desire to stay in a familiar and successful environment."

• Podcast Host [21:08]: "While it’s a slim chance, anything is possible in the ever-dynamic NFL landscape. The loyalty and past performance of Cousins make this scenario intriguing."

5. Pittsburgh Steelers’ Quarterback Development Critique

A significant portion of the episode critiques the Pittsburgh Steelers' handling of their quarterback situation, drawing comparisons to past successes and current struggles.

• Jonas Knox [30:32]: "Terry Bradshaw, a legendary Steelers quarterback, criticized the organization for not developing Kenny Pickett effectively, pointing out the lack of structured leadership and support that was present during Ben Roethlisberger’s era."

• Podcast Host [33:25]: "The Steelers' current roster lacks the cohesive leadership and elite players that once defined the team, leading to ongoing quarterback instability and poor performance in critical games."

• Jonas Knox [40:03]: "The Steelers have transitioned from a formidable AFC contender to a team struggling to find consistency, particularly at the quarterback position, highlighting a broader issue with team management and player development."

6. Overall NFL Quarterback Landscape and Team Strategies

The hosts broaden the discussion to the general state of quarterback development and team strategies across the NFL, emphasizing the high pressure placed on quarterbacks to perform without adequate support or time to develop.

• Podcast Host [15:10]: "The modern NFL's impatience with young quarterbacks can hinder their development, as teams often prioritize immediate success over long-term growth."

• Jonas Knox [17:51]: "Patience is crucial for nurturing young talent like McCarthy, but the league's fast-paced expectations can lead to premature judgments and lineup changes."

7. Conclusion and Future Outlook

The episode wraps up with a reflection on the state of NFL quarterback positions, the importance of team support, and the potential future movements of key players like Kirk Cousins and JJ McCarthy.

• Podcast Host [52:37]: "As teams continue to navigate the complexities of developing and maintaining quarterback talent, the decisions made today will shape the future dynamics of the league."

• Jonas Knox [46:58]: "The ongoing quarterback debates underscore the need for a balanced approach that values both immediate results and long-term player development."

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Notable Highlights:

• Feelings of Betrayal: Kirk Cousins feels misled by the Falcons, potentially opening the door for his return to Minnesota ([04:00], [05:13]).

• High Expectations for JJ McCarthy: The metaphor of giving McCarthy the "keys to a Ferrari" underscores the immense pressure on him to perform ([21:31], [15:45]).

• Steeler's Quarterback Crisis: Critique of the Steelers’ inability to develop a stable quarterback, drawing parallels to past successes under Roethlisberger ([30:32], [33:25], [40:03]).

• NFL’s Pressure on Quarterbacks: Discussion on the broader issue of the NFL's lack of patience with young quarterbacks, impacting their development and team dynamics ([15:10], [17:51]).

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Conclusion:

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, the hosts delve deep into the tumultuous quarterback landscape of the NFL, focusing on personal player dynamics and organizational strategies. The analysis of Kirk Cousins’ departure and potential return to the Vikings, combined with the high-stakes pressure on JJ McCarthy, presents a comprehensive view of the challenges facing quarterbacks today. Additionally, the critique of the Pittsburgh Steelers highlights systemic issues within team management and player development. This episode offers listeners insightful perspectives on the interplay between player performance, team decisions, and the overarching demands of professional football.

Transcript

[Jonas Knox]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Jonas Knox]

It is the Herd, Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for calling. You can listen to us on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country as we take you all the way up until the end of this hour. That'll be 3pm Eastern time, noon Pacific. You can hear Lavar and myself weekday mornings on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe here on many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates alongside Brady Quinn. But when Brady Quinn's not in and he's at Big 12 media days, it's just Black and Drac weekday morning 6am Eastern time, where you can find us coming up tomorrow morning as well too. So with that being said here, we opened up the show talking about Kirk Cousins, who on the latest edition of Netflix's Quarterback Season 2, he discussed how he felt a little bit misled by the Atlanta Falcons in Drafting Michael Penix Jr. The quarterback out of Washington in the first round after Kirk Cousins signed his big deal there. Wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback so high. At the time it felt like I had been a little bit misled or certainly if I had the information around free agency, it certainly would have affected my decision. I had no reason to leave Minnesota with how much we loved it there if both teams are going to be drafting a quarterback high. But I've also learned in 12 years in this league that you're not entitled to anything. It's all about being able to earn your spot and prove yourself. So that was Kirk Cousins, not thrilled with the handling of everything when it came to the Atlanta Falcons still drafting a quarterback after giving him all that money to be the guy there and would have stayed put in Minnesota. But the damn Atlanta Falcons decided, hey, we'll throw you a bunch of cash, you'll be our guy, only to, lo and behold, do the same thing the Minnesota Vikings did and take a quarterback in the first round.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, I can understand where he's coming from. You felt misled. I I can get that. And if, if what the conversation you had with them made you feel comfortable in moving forward with them, then you made, you made a decision. Listen, Michael Penix was taken with the eighth overall pick in the draft. And, and to me, when you, when you look at that 20, 24 draft eighth pick, there had already been, some people would say perceivably, most all of the top talent was gone by that eighth pick. You still had Bo Nicks and Michael Pennix still available. Now your boys saw something more in Bo Nicks. Sean Payton saw something more than, than anybody else did, as though he was in great position to get his quarterback where he wanted to get him from. Michael Penix is a great unknown because while he is a, a really, really fine quarterback, he has dealt with some injuries and serious ones.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And, and so when you look at the, the health bill of Michael Pennix, it made it questionable as to where he would fall and what his value would be. Even though he had a brilliant season, maybe even worthy of the, the Heisman Trophy that year, how well he did. He was there. He was there. The, the Atlanta Falcons had just picked up a new head coach. You just added a journeyman. Now he's a journeyman. He's hitting his third team. And Kirk Cousins, you have a starter. But if, if Minnesota saw you as being, being expendable and being movable and they moved you, why would you not think that? Now he did say, I didn't think they would take a quarterback that high. But if you know that you're going to have to eventually in the near future, one to two years. Right. We're saying one to two years time, maybe three at the most, you gotta, you have to replace Kirk Cousins as your starter. Yes.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, then why would if, if you have a quarterback that you believe is a really, really gifted quarterback at that eight position and you didn't think he was going to be there, could it be possible that the Atlanta Falcons gave him the real information at that point in time that was relevant? And it changed once you got to the eighth pick in the draft during draft day and Michael Penck and boat Knicks were still available?

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, I mean, that would be my guess. I don't think the Falcons straight up lied to him and said, oh, we're absolutely not going to be taking a quarterback. Cause they probably had some conversations. And he said, look, I'm not going back to Minnesota because they've already told me Minnesota was up front and said, hey, we'd love to have you back, but we're still Taking a quarterback. I don't think Atlanta straight up lied to him and said absolutely not under, you know, it's not like he had to sign a deal to guarantee they weren't going to take a quarterback. I just think maybe Atlanta as the draft got closer fell in love with the idea of Michael Penix Jr. And then when you look at just how the handling of that was their reasoning afterwards and I remember this because I amongst every, a lot, along with a lot of other people after they made the pick was looking around going really he just signed Kirk Cousins and you're drafting a quarterback. Atlanta's reasoning was we don't plan on drafting this high and if it's a loaded draft class we don't plan on being here this high again. So let's go and get our guy for the future. Hopefully we don't have to play him for a year or two.

[Podcast Host]

If you're projecting out and you're Atlanta and you're in this draft with a new coach, you got a new quarterback coming in through free agency that just came off of a major surgery on his Achilles and, and you're moving forward trying to figure out what you're going to do with your team. Do you pass up on a quarterback with that draft class that you had a quarterbacks with that pinnocks class for the class that you would have had this year and what pick did you have in this year's draft and what quarterback would you have taken in this year's draft that is going to be prepared in the next year or this season in particular? Right. Year two or year three that rookie would have had to been ready to play. In this case, year one was when the quarterback needed to play. If I got any quarterback out of this year's draft, out of this year's draft. There is one quarterback that I would say that I feel confident going into week one with and that'd be Cam Ward. I like Dart. Think Dart is cool. Think he might have a good, a good career. Maybe name another one that bona fide in this year's pet this past draft that oh, we're going to pass up on a quarterback in this draft at the eighth pick. Michael Penix is right here sitting here at the eighth pick and we have our pick. We're just going to pass them up. What would have been the other option? Why Phil? Why feel let down? Why feel misled? It was there. You got a guy that, that can learn and sit behind you just like Jordan Love did. As soon as it's your time to move on. He's ready to come in. There shouldn't have been any issue with that.

[Jonas Knox]

I think this is, this is more telling of the fact that he didn't really want to leave.

[Podcast Host]

Come on, man. Now that's not. Now you're preaching to the same. Preach to the pews Peach, preach to the people. Because that's the real point here.

[Jonas Knox]

There was, there was some discussion that the appeal of Atlanta was the fact that his wife's family was from there. And Kirk Cousins decided to have a conversation with Vikings. They told him we're going to draft a guy. And so he feels like convinced him he was probably going to be the guy.

[Podcast Host]

He was probably butthurt by the idea that they were going to draft another quarterback. And now he's having leavers remorse.

[Jonas Knox]

And so then you start to hear this report that came out courtesy of Alec Lewis of the Athletic and talking about JJ McCarthy who was drafted by the Vikings last year after Pennix. And Alec Lewis of the Athletic writes, The Vikings toss JJ McCarthy the keys to the for to the Ferrari. The directive is simple. Take what's there. No need to be a hero. Expecting McCarthy to be perfect would be foolish. Thinking he'll thrive on intermediate routes and anticipatory throws is fair. Most everyone who spent meaningful time around him raves about him. How he looks will be one of the biggest stories of the NFL season. Here's the other possible big story. The NFL season. If Kirk Cousins feels this way about the situation and Kirk Cousins pointed out, and it was pretty obvious, basically having to learn a whole new system, a whole new offense, struggling to do so. After feeling so comfortable and confident in Kevin O' Connell system. If something does happen to JJ McCarthy and I'm curious to see what that leash looks like for him considering they feel like they've got a Super bowl contending team. Kirk Cousins a year removed from his Achilles. If JJ McCarthy is not up to snuff early on, I could see Minnesota maybe potentially contacting Atlanta and being like, what would it take if, like the idea of, well, you know, if you don't have J.J. mcCarthy performing, we've got somebody else in the room that could get it done. If you're Minnesota and you feel like you've got a legitimate team, if there's an injury, if he's not performing well. Atlanta still holding on to Kirk Cousins. They picked up his $10 million option. They weren't willing to trade him. Minnesota might get desperate and Kirk Cousins might ultimately get what he wanted the whole time, which is to not have to leave there and go back to where he played his best football of his career.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, it's a dream scenario for Kir Cousins if it were to play out in that manner. Is it likely? I don't think it's likely.

[Jonas Knox]

No.

[Podcast Host]

Is it possible?

[Jonas Knox]

Anything is possible because they, Minnesota and J.J. mcCarthy's the Envy Of, I think, a lot of quarterbacks around the NFL because of how set up and ready to go they are.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Jonas Knox]

And it's almost like, hey, just don't screw it up.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Jonas Knox]

But if he did and you're Kevin o' Connell and you have this great relationship with Kirk Cousins and he's basically telling you what screwing it.

[Podcast Host]

What is screwing it up and how far, like how far along are we in the season? What is considered to be screwing it up? Because that, that has to play a major part in how this all plays out because that is a high draft pick and this is in essence his rookie season.

[Jonas Knox]

They're, they're in this weird spot because they can compete, especially in the nfc, especially in that division, like they can compete to win. I don't know how patient they really want to be if he's going through those growing pains. I mean, if it looks like bad, if it looks awful, I just, I wonder if they would be considering early in the season, hey, man, this doesn't look right. We need to bring in a veteran here and let's, let's sit J.J. mcCarthy down and give him an opportunity. Understanding you're running the risk of potentially damaging his confidence moving forward. I just can't imagine the Vikings are going to deal with. This is the problem with this roster.

[Podcast Host]

This is the problem I have with this microwave ass culture that, that we live in in 2026, 2025, hitting in the 26 is that everybody wants things so quickly that you've lost sight and you've lost track of the idea that struggling and pain and failure is a part success. Like people expect a top draft pick to come in and be lights out. If that man struggles, you should actually expect him to struggle.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

More than you should expect him to, to thrive and, and be successful. Because he has to learn the speed of the game. He has to learn what they're doing to him. He has to learn what it is to be playing out there on the field as a pro quarterback. That is, that is, I don't care if it' one, you go on the field, two, three, four or whatever. The moment you get out there on the field is when you start the real learning of how to. To either succeed or figuring out that you can't. If he has a slow start, that doesn't mean he's a failure. If he doesn't play well to begin with, it doesn't mean abort the mission. It just means that he's going through a growth, a growth period of time where he has to understand what his preparation is, get some film on, on in the cam where you can study. What are these defensive coordinators trying to do to me? Can you comprehend it? Can your coaches comprehend it? Can you guys sit together and come together and come up with solutions? Can the receivers help you? Can the offensive lineman help you and let you know, okay, hey, you might not realize that they're. They're stemm this and they're running this coverage and they're blitzing you when you do this. When we run this route, they're doing this. They're bringing pressure from the secondary. These are things, little things that you start to learn and the game starts to slow down for you once you see enough reps. If you never gave the kid enough time to get the reps on film, how do you know if he's going to be able to adapt and to adjust to being a successful NFL quarterback? If you expect them to be great.

[Jonas Knox]

From day one, I'm with you. I think you've got to expect growing pains. I think you've got to expect that they're going to go through early struggles and I hate the fact that it is a microwave NFL to where they're going to turn. Turn it over and go in another direction that quick. But I say that in acknowledging that Minnesota is in a really unique spot.

[Podcast Host]

And your alternative and that unique spot.

[Jonas Knox]

Is to go get Kirk Cousins.

[Podcast Host]

I'm just saying that's lost his job in Atlanta.

[Jonas Knox]

I'm just saying that's a possibility because if you're Atlanta, you're in this unique spot to where you're juggling. We're a contender. We're legitimately a Super bowl contender, but we've also got a young quarterback we're going to try and develop and we're going. We've got to go through the rookie growing pains while trying to be a contender. It's just a really tricky spot.

[Podcast Host]

Can I just say this for Kevin o'?

[Jonas Knox]

Connor.

[Podcast Host]

Can I just say this, Jonas? You allow, you allow, you allow Darnold to leave.

[Jonas Knox]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

After you had the season that you had, even though it ended poorly, you had a very, very fine season, like one of the best of all teams in the national Football League with Sam Darnold. You let him go after the season you had with him. That says all I need to know about what your confidence level is and what you believe. Him being competent, him being prepared and him being the guy that you want him to be. If you let the person that took over for Kirk Cousins and took over for injured JJ McCarthy, you let him go. You didn't keep him on the, on the roster. If you were so caught up into having a safety valve situation for J.J. mcCarthy where we got to have the conversation about Kirk Cousins coming from Atlanta, you do not allow that man to leave the building. Case closed. They made their decision. They said that the value is not with Sam Darnold. It's clearly with the talent that they have with this team. And we can plug and play at the quarterback's position if that quarterback has at least the amount of talent that we saw with Sam Darnold or Kirk Cousins. Keep in mind, Kirk Cousins wasn't your first pick when he came into the league. He wasn't. He came in much like a Michael Penix. You're the backup. You got drafted, but you're the backup to a same draft class quarterback. He got his chance after injuries took over for RG3. If RG3 doesn't get injured, we're not.

[Jonas Knox]

Even talking about Kirk Cousins, see. Do you think that the leash will be as long as it would be in a normal situation with a young quarterback?

[Podcast Host]

Yes, because they made it. They made it this way. Minnesota, they have to give him a long leash because they made it this way.

[Jonas Knox]

It's a really good, it's a really interesting team to watch because that's, that's the big question mark. And he is a rookie. Because nobody knows, nobody has any idea.

[Podcast Host]

You gotta ride with it because you allowed what is a known commodity to your team, walk. You let him go. And he's still in the nfc. They don't seem to be too concerned about Sam Darnold leaving Minnesota. I ain't hurt. See no articles or seen anybody. I got remorse. The. The fact that he's not here anymore and this, that and the other. You don't see anything coming out of Minnesot but positivity because they're loaded. Loaded. You want me to do it again today? They are loaded. Drew could go out there, be the quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings.

[Jonas Knox]

Better not.

[Podcast Host]

He could. Daddy go Vikings.

[Jonas Knox]

Yo Daddy.

[Podcast Host]

Yo daddy did it.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, listen. So look, Kirk, if you're pissed off like you were on Netflix about being over it, bro, about being misled who knows, Maybe things go sideways and you'll be back in Minnesota.

[Podcast Host]

You got millions and millions upon millions of reasons to be just fine in the situation you're in right now, by the way.

[Jonas Knox]

You know what is kind of funny though? The way Alec Lewis of the Athletic writes it, he says The Vikings tossed J.J. mcCarthy the keys to a Ferrari. Like, how much pressure do you think that guy feels? Well, hey buddy, don't screw this up.

[Podcast Host]

It's push button to start.

[Jonas Knox]

Hey JJ park it over out back, parallel it and don't dent the sides, okay? I've never played before.

[Podcast Host]

You gave him a key so that he could give it to valet. They can see that his a Ferrari because you don't even need it to start the car.

[Jonas Knox]

It is. Let's be clear. There it is, the Herd here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for calling and you can hang out with us as always on the iHeartRadio app. Coming up next year though, we are going to tell you about how one hall of Famer says another quarterback really didn't get a fair shot. That's yours here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am.

[Podcast Host]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Jonas Knox]

All right. Well, apparently there's. There's some people not so happy about the handling of one quarterback situation in Pittsburgh. And normally that.

[Podcast Host]

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[Jonas Knox]

Well, you've got Kenny. Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett, who's no longer a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He had to leave there to go win a Super bowl in Philly. He did beat, nonetheless.

[Podcast Host]

Didn't leave the state.

[Jonas Knox]

No, he didn't. But he did go to Ohio. So not far away. But now he's among the cast of characters that make up the quarterback room in Cleveland. Terry Bradshaw. Oh, a. Another legendary Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback, not a fan of Mike Tomlin, was on the to the Point Home Services podcast and did not agree with the handling of one Kenny Pickett in Pittsburgh.

[Podcast Host]

Steelers get rid of Kenny Pickett.

[Jonas Knox]

A first rounder got rid of him.

[Podcast Host]

After two years, all right, and they're still looking for a quarterback. They didn't even do anything to build around him. Sam Darnold goes into Minnesota. Look at all those weapons.

[Jonas Knox]

All those weapons.

[Podcast Host]

And look what happened.

[Jonas Knox]

So that was Terry Bradshaw's. Some summarizing the.

[Podcast Host]

He got a little older, but. But what he said was. Was clear. I'll say that it's not, it's not a sentiment to, to really disagree with what, what, what I mean what are you going to say to disagree with the fact that what did you really do to one, develop Kenny Pickett to put in front of him the the opportunities to have the success and three, if it wasn't going to be him, what was your contingency plans upon not using him?

[Jonas Knox]

So when we were in, we did the show from Las Vegas at the draft and we were doing the morning show there. Which by the way, let me just tell you something. Whoever's idea that was great idea to have us at three in the morning doing two pros and a cup of joe right next to the escalator next to Hakkasan at the MGM Grand.

[Podcast Host]

It was clearly an escape route of women of the evening.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh my God.

[Podcast Host]

And men of the evening.

[Jonas Knox]

By the way, big, big fans of levar Arrington.

[Podcast Host]

One of them was ye wanna I got the pants to show for the evidence is there.

[Jonas Knox]

She did the Lavar leap and all three of them jumped out but stirred.

[Podcast Host]

My coffee and everything.

[Jonas Knox]

We were there though and one of the storylines that led off Friday morning after the first round of the draft was the Steelers taking Kenny Pickett and having the discussion about man, they were going nuts.

[Podcast Host]

There was a lot of positive energy connected to that.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, like, like everyone was really, really excited about it because he was a Pittsburgh guy. They going the direction, played at Pittsburgh. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

New Jersey kid, I believe, played for Pittsburgh, the college.

[Jonas Knox]

And so they, they draft him. And the feeling was, all right, this makes way too much sense. There were some people looking at it going yeah, but you know, they missed out on Dan Marino. They should have drafted him and now they've got Kenny Pickett. So maybe they'll this will undo, you know, kind of half kidding. Maybe this will undo the wrong of not drafting Dan Marino and bringing in Kenny Picket and then you see how it plays out. And it was one of those situations where be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. It didn't work. And whether you want to blame Matt Canada, the offensive coordinator, which was people were very critical of him, not happy with the way.

[Podcast Host]

That was probably a well placed assessment and a well placed conclusion that Canada wasn't the guy.

[Jonas Knox]

But there was also the incident that took place I think in Seattle and Mark Madden, the the radio host in Pittsburgh pointing this out at the time that Kenny Pickett had an opportunity late in the year there as the Steelers are trying to make a push for the playoffs to suit up. But he Wasn't going to start and Kenny Pickett opted not to suit up. Now there's. Kenny Pickett has refuted that, but there's enough people there that are like, no, he chose not to play. And that didn't sit well with Mike Tomlin and with other members of the organization there. And so whether you want to blame it on what wasn't around Kenny Pickett or not, it just was bad from the get go. It didn't work like there wasn't like Kenny Pickett. That wasn't the best situation for him. And Kenny Pickett wasn't the best quarterback in that situation for the Steelers through and through. But it does further the fact that at quarterback, they've been a mess for a long time. And we've, you know, discussed the Russell Wilson, Justin Field stuff, the Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph got. This goes back to Ben Roethlisberger, second to last year, maybe the last time they've had legitimate quarterback play. And there's all sorts of fingers that could be pointed in all sorts of different directions. But it's why I made the point yesterday, man. If Justin Fields goes out there and looks the part that everyone thinks that he has the potential to do so and say Russell Wilson, as you laid out, looks the part in New York with the Giants, all of the questions are going to be asked of Mike Tomlin and all the fingers are going to be pointed in the direction of the Steelers quarterback or Steelers handling of developing quarterbacks there since Ben Roethlisberger. And it's a problem because we're looking at close to a decade, we're getting close, where they have not had an answer at that position, the most important position in the sport.

[Podcast Host]

You know what's interesting? Le'Veon Bale was the best running back you've had since the bus when. When Ben Roethlisberger came into the league. He was able to be developed in a scheme where they had one of the best defenses ever in the history of the game. One of the top defenses in there for discussion. And you had a very, very elite group of leaders in that locker room on offense, mainly, mainly Jerome Bettis. The. The support of having a running game with Jerome Bettis and Willie Parker. Y' all remember Fast Willie?

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You had Willie Parker and you had an offensive line that was outstanding. You had receivers and Heinz Ward and San Antonio Holmes, guys like that that were elite and outstanding. When you look at where this team is from where they won that super bowl, where they went on the road and. And won, and then they Came back and were able to do it again against, against the the Arizona Cardinals. This was a team that had such a structured leadership that allowed the growth and allowed for Ben Roethlisberger to ease and settle in to being the quarterback that he would eventually become. Kenny Pickett did not have that luxury. Now, you don't have like Naja Harris, pretty goat running back, not elite. Menden hall, pretty good running back, not elite. Leon Bell was the best that you had, and that fell off of the tracks. Antonio Brown with that, that whole Mike Wallace and all those guys. It was a. A real golden period for receivers in Pittsburgh for a time. That doesn't seem to be the case lately. You don't seem to see an established guy, even Pickens being as good as he was. You don't see the established leadership on this team that Ben Roethlisberger was brought into. Not on the defensive side of the ball. While I'll give Cam Hayward a ton of credit for being a great leader, you know, I don't know how well T.J. watt leads. I don't know. I'm sure he's a great leader, fine leader of men. I'm not sure the other guys on that unit, but you never had to question it in years past whether it was Joey Porter and James Ferrier and, and, you know, James Harrison to, to, you know, guys like. I mean, if you want to go back before them, you talking about guys like Greg Lloyd and Kevin Green and, and Lavon Kirkland and guys like that, you have always had defined leadership at those positions. At the receiver's position, you've always had an anchor guy. At the running backs position, you've always had an anchor guy. On the defense, linebackers, defensive ends and the secondary, you have always had to find guys. Whether it was Troy Palomalu or it was Rod Woodson and Cornell Lake or Darren Perry. The. The bottom line here is we're pinpointing a position as a failure to launch. But there's really a bigger issue going on in Pittsburgh right now, and it's the total hold of what the fabric of this Pittsburgh Steelers team is. You don't have what has been the winning solution and the winning recipe. You have some of the pieces of the recipe, but it does not taste like what it's t it like in years past, even when they didn't win Super Bowls, they didn't win Super Bowls with Greg Lloyd and Kevin Green and them they lost to the Dallas Cowboys. I remember where I was at upset. I remember those days. But they were close. Every Year, AFC championship games, make it to the Super Bowl. They were close. Every year they've digressed in that, in that approach. They have not been that competitive. And they, they in a lot of ways were able to benefit from Ben Roethlisberger being in a, an environment and around players that were elite. Yeah, nobody has had that in recent years as a quarterback in Pittsburgh, so it's very difficult to say. You got to pinpoint the quarterback as the problem in Pittsburgh. It is the play calling, but it is ultimately the players that are in that locker room as well.

[Jonas Knox]

And, and Roethlisberger was the stabilizing. He was sort of the consistency from one coaching regime to the next because he was at the end of Bill Cower, he was at the beginning of Mike Tomlin, and then he's not there anymore. And now you're just around going, all right, so what is the plan? Because to your point, they were always considered a threat in the afc.

[Podcast Host]

Always. Everybody was little brother to the Steelers.

[Jonas Knox]

That's over.

[Podcast Host]

Now the Ravens, anybody else? The Ravens were the only ones that would give you the idea that, man, like, this could be the year that they could deal with them. But they were mirror image teams.

[Jonas Knox]

That's. That's over.

[Podcast Host]

Mirror image teams. And Cincinnati had their run with Marvin Lewis, but they just weren't very good in the playoffs. They were pretty good in. During the regular season. Always had the talent, talented team. Same with the Browns. Always have had talented teams. Just can't win.

[Jonas Knox]

They're. They're a fringe playoff team now.

[Podcast Host]

They are.

[Jonas Knox]

And, and there's. If you're looking at the levels in the afc, you've obviously got the upper echelon in Kansas City. You've got Buffalo, you've got Baltimore. And then I almost look at, you know, a team like Denver as more of a threat than I look at a team like Pittsburgh now just based on. On where they're at, which is. Look, they tried some different stuff this offseason. They spent some money, they did all that. And you know, Terry Bradshaw talking about they didn't surround Kenny Pickett. They had him, they drafted him. They didn't do enough to surround him. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe some of that was his fault. I just think overall there's been some slipping there, and it's no longer the vaunted, feared Pittsburgh Steelers that it wants.

[Podcast Host]

You got to take a look at the larger the. You got to take a look at the whole entire roster, because what they were doing was they were. They were winning, winning and they were developing. I Mean, you think about James Harrison, he's going to be a first ballot hall of Famer. I think he's coming up pretty soon here to have his opportunity to go into the hall of Fame. He was not a starter. He did not make the roster. He was getting put on the practice squad and worse, he was getting cut, wasn't even good enough to be on the team at one point. And now he's going to be a Hall of Famer. It's because they had a culture that forced you to fit what it was to be a Pittsburgh Steeler football player. And I do not think that exists today. And that's kind of a sad thing to say, but I do not think it exists. Ask any of these Steelers. There might be a handful of guys that understand what that statement means.

[Jonas Knox]

Guys, remember the good old days when Jeff Reed, the kicker, was just walking around Pittsburgh with his shirt off bomb, you know, and then he got near, nearly got in a fight at the hall of Fame game because he got a drunk in public there. He was just annihilated. And then you had. Was it Todd Haley, the offensive coordinator? Yeah, he was.

[Podcast Host]

They haven't been good since Todd Haley left.

[Jonas Knox]

Todd Haley went out after a win. He was at the Tequila Cowboy in Pittsburgh and got into a fight with some guy and some guy shoved him down. I think he broke his hip. But like you just, those are the good old days where you could really see, see what was going on there in Pittsburgh and you could see the direction of the organization and exactly what they were, what they were planning and what the goal was is as a team. And the fan base had something to rally around. And now we're just looking at them going, listen, let's hope this one works and let's hope this edition of the Steelers works because the one that we've rolled out the past five, six, seven years just hasn't. You've been one and done in the playoffs and it's been a long ass time since you've had any success there. So shoot his chaos.

[Podcast Host]

Did Lee just shoot outside the window on that last situation, by the way?

[Jonas Knox]

We're trying to figure out what's. Because a bull elephant just walked by and we're trying to figure out, Lee.

[Podcast Host]

You are ridiculous for shooting. You are ridiculous for pulling the trigger on that. Lee, I will never go hunting with you.

[Jonas Knox]

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[LaVar Arrington]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Jonas Knox]

FDIC that's one hell of a quarterback room, Johnson. You gotta manage it.

[Podcast Host]

Is there a playmaker?

[Jonas Knox]

Just fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. By the way, we'll be back in our normal time slot coming up tomorrow, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific. You can hear this edition of Black and Drac early in the morning here if you are. If you can make that black and drat, we will be having fun there.

[Podcast Host]

Pick it up. Sounds like a burger. Get the black and drag.

[Jonas Knox]

Speaking of fries, it sure looked like one too. Now before we get to the Herdline news, a reminder that shortly after the show, the podcast of this show will be going up. So if you've missed any of it, be sure to check out the pod. Search Heard or two Pros. Wherever you get your podcast, be sure to also follow rate and review it again. Just search herd or two Pros. Wherever you get your podcast. You'll see this show posted right after we get off show the air. No, no no no.

[Podcast Host]

Turn on the news.

[Jonas Knox]

This is the Herdline news. All right, Ryan Music Yeah, yeah. Last one of the day. Come on guys. Come on.

[Podcast Host]

Go to the NFL. We go.

[Jonas Knox]

Chiefs offense had a roller coaster season, but Patrick Mahomes thinks they're ready for a breakout season. Here's what he told up and Adams about the expectations for the offense this upcoming here. I think it's just going to be it's going to come from everywhere we have so many weapons. Let's go out there and just maximize it all. It's not going to be just one person. It's going to be the entire offense going out there and showcasing what the Kansas City Chiefs truly are. It's coming from everywhere, guys.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, look, they got a lot to prove.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Without. With. With having already proven a ton.

[Jonas Knox]

Because it wasn't like it looked all that great last year. 16th in total offense. Yeah, it wasn't. You know, so there you, you go. Mahomes didn't have his signature year.

[Podcast Host]

That is literally middle of the pack.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, literally totally average. And Kelce, you know, he compiled a bunch of receptions and all that, but you know, his yardages girl was more.

[Podcast Host]

Important than he was Damn to the offense and to the Chiefs last year. I mean, think about it. She was a more vital part, critical part to the show than he was.

[Jonas Knox]

Okay, so think about that though. Even with that production offensively in that conference, they still want it.

[Podcast Host]

That's. That's scary. That's what makes the whole thing scary.

[Jonas Knox]

The year before, they had to go on the road to do it all did that too. And then this past year, the offense wasn't up to snuff. They couldn't get it together or get any consist consistency going. And still they figured out to get to the super bowl anyway, anyways.

[Podcast Host]

And lose the third one. Right. The third in a row, which again, 16th and offensive ranking. Lose the Super Bowl. Everybody feels high and uplifted about the Philadelphia Eagles and how they built their team. Oh, by the way, a team that Andy Reid coached and had great success with, the GM was GMing there with learning and learning the ropes and they brought that to Kansas City. There is a bird there. There is a whole lot of inspiration, I'm certain for a lot of people inside Kansas City kingdom that want to have a great year this year.

[Jonas Knox]

You know, I feel bad for. I feel bad for Chiefsaholic. The guy who's Robin Banks dressed up as the Chiefs master.

[Podcast Host]

He was a big mother effort because.

[Jonas Knox]

Man, that guy was a Chiefs fan when they were, you know, rolling out like Steve Bono and Nick Lowry and all this. And you know, he's. He's rooting on Christian Okoye and Barry Word and now there was he. There.

[Podcast Host]

Was he their fan back then?

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, of course he was.

[Podcast Host]

I don't know.

[Jonas Knox]

I think he was like new school Chiefs fan. And now they've got this dynasty to where all they know is conference championship game losses in overtime or Super Bowls. And the guy's stuck in prison.

[Podcast Host]

Dang.

[Jonas Knox]

He's in Shawshank while they're out there putting a dynasty together after all that time he put in. Hey, it's too bad, man.

[Podcast Host]

But he was really robbing them banks, though. Yeah.

[Jonas Knox]

Hey. Yeah, he was.

[Podcast Host]

He was really robbing.

[Jonas Knox]

Yes, he was.

[Podcast Host]

Hey. All right.

[Jonas Knox]

That is correct.

[Podcast Host]

We'll wrap up with this.

[Jonas Knox]

Brock Purdy got his big payday, but he did lose his wide receiver, Debo Samuel here. He was on the Busing with boys podcast talking about what it meant to lose Deebo. This sucks, dude.

[Podcast Host]

He's.

[LaVar Arrington]

He's my boy.

[Podcast Host]

You know, I love Debo.

[Jonas Knox]

Day one, he's always had my back.

[Podcast Host]

And believed in me. When I got in, I didn't really know, you know, how the guys were.

[Jonas Knox]

Going to take it.

[Podcast Host]

When I did get thrown in, Jimmy went down.

[Jonas Knox]

I was like the last quarterback. And Debo, man, was nothing but just great to me, dude. Building me up and just gave me confidence, man. In games, you know, we fed off.

[Podcast Host]

Each other's energy and building each other.

[Jonas Knox]

Up, like, it was awesome, by the way.

[Podcast Host]

They was definitely feeding off of one another. One one more than the other. They. They say these days.

[Jonas Knox]

By the way, if you were. If you were listening and you're wondering, did we just hear somebody scoff and disgust as music was setting that up? That is correct. Greg Tuohy, just. Just disgusted with Brock Purdy. What is your problem? It's just the Brock Pie. Like, just in general, like, what's your problem?

[Podcast Host]

I don't.

[Jonas Knox]

Music knows how I feel about this. Like, Brock Pie and I have a really weird relationship.

[Podcast Host]

What?

[Jonas Knox]

See, what's the issue with Brock Purdy? Can't be happy.

[Podcast Host]

I don't think you guys have a weird relationship. I think you got a problem with.

[Jonas Knox]

I just.

[Podcast Host]

I. I just can't. Why? You're a 49er fan.

[Jonas Knox]

Situation with Brock Purdy. I just don't get it.

[Podcast Host]

You're a Niners fan.

[Jonas Knox]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Podcast Host]

Why you take such a hard.

[LaVar Arrington]

Like, I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

He just, like, he's not interested. That's the most interesting.

[Jonas Knox]

Do we have time? Oh, no, no.

[Podcast Host]

Good stuff, guys. Talk about closing the show out.

[Jonas Knox]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Podcast Host]

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