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Next year, the biggest FIFA World cup ever comes to North America. And the countdown starts with a one year to go party live from Miami with a special performance by music star Shaboozi tonight at 8, 7 Central on Fox.
Jason McIntyre
So the world cup starts in a year. The Gold cup starts for Team usa. I think it's Sunday. And a big talking point has been our star, our shot creator, as skilled a player as we've ever have. Christian Pulisic opted after a couple really rigorous years in AC Milan to skip this. He said, hey, I'll play, I'll play in the friendlies. And the coaching staff said, no, no, no, you're in or you're not. So, so people, some people have questioned his commitment and here's Pulisic on that.
Stu Holden
It's a question, you know, of all things, you can talk about my performances, whatever you want, but to question my, my commitment, especially towards the national team, I, I, in my opinion, that's, that's way out of line. But you know how it is. People, people forget really quickly.
Jason McIntyre
All right, let's go to Stu Holden live in Miami for a great weekend for fox. So let's start with that. I defend him because I, I've told you this, we did during the break. I said I think it's country and cash for our emerging soccer stars. That's, and it wasn't that. It used to be like country, regionalism, Gold cup, cross your fingers. We make money overseas, but now our top players are. So I kind of side with Pulisic, but I have a feeling you don't.
Stu Holden
What makes you think that, Colin? Look, I understand what you're saying and I do empathize, I think with some of these players. And what was the big thing we've been talking about for a couple of years is these guys are playing at some of the biggest clubs we've ever seen historically over in Europe, on the biggest stage, playing in the Champions League. And inevitably they've almost been told that that ends up becoming more important than playing for your national team and that you can take games off. So I don't necessarily blame the players as much there in those moments. I actually even go back to one of Mauricio Pochettino's very first camps as coach of the US Men's national team. And it was a two game window Pulisic played in the first one. There was questions about how many games he had played. Was he a little banged up? Did he need to Rest, Pochettino said. You know, it's a game against Mexico down in Mexico. I'm going to let you go back to your team after a conversation. I. I just think that that sets a tone instantly, that it ends up being okay to prioritize these club games for your health, for mental health, whatever that ends up being. But then you've seen what happened from that point. Now, all of a sudden, you fast forward about a year. Christian Pulisic ahead of what is, I think, one of the biggest summers ahead of next year's World cup here in the United States. He's choosing to sit out our last competitive tournament and not be a part of that team. And you heard that clip that you were saying there, Colin, about where Christian's saying, I think it's out of line to question my commitment to the. I don't think for a second that he doesn't care. I don't think that he prioritizes the national team. And that's pretty clear by the choices that he has made to not be a part of this Gold cup, even if other guys are missing. I don't think I would have loved to see Pulisic. You know how this is in other teams and big sports. And the Dream Team's a great example in basketball that goes to the Olympics. You don't just get turned up to the Olympics and play the big event. You have to play the qualifiers. You have to play the World cup before that. It's about building a culture, about building momentum, about building a team. And I feel, whether you want it or not, as the best player on the team. And we've seen Messi sometimes be this reluctant leader. He's not the big, in your face, scream, shout type of guy. He leads by his actions on the field, and every chance he gets to represent his national team, he's there. And I just think what a. What a message that would have sent to for Pulisic to say, look, I know I'm tired. I played a lot of games, maybe figuring out with Pochettino, I don't have to play every minute of every game, but figuring out a solution that works and sends a message to everybody that we mean business for next year. And that starts this summer.
Jason McIntyre
So Mauricio Pochettino at Tottenham, his reputation was he's aggressive and he likes young players. So he sort of rolled the dice. He's got some injuries to deal with and no Pulisic. So he kind of goes with a really young team. You know, it felt like a bit of a dice Roll against Switzerland and they gave up concede four goals in 23 minutes. Do you believe that was a wake up call to him that, listen, our talent pool is pretty rich at the top, but it's darn shallow and he overstated Pochettino, overvalued our young players that they're not not able to compete with the likes of a Turkey or a Swiss team.
Stu Holden
Yeah, no, you nailed it. And I almost. The analogy I would use is you're, you're shopping for a new house and you walk in, everything looks good during the showing and then once you buy the house, you get the keys, you walk in, you pull up the rugs, you go into the close and you start finding things that maybe you didn't see initially. We have to talk about Pochettino as well. Look, he's, he's coached some of the biggest players globally, neymar, Messi, Mbappe, etc. And yet this is his first job as an international coach. So he's figuring out, look, I'm not on the field with these guys every day. I'm not in the locker room. He's learning the personalities, he's learning the cadence of these guys are coming in for short periods. And so I think you're absolutely nailed on in that we have a lot of top end talent which we talked about in the World cup in 2022, but yet there's a pretty sharp drop off from maybe 11 or 12 guys down to the next players. And we always said the last three years was about can we really build that top that, that second part of the roster that pushes and puts pressure on the top to where maybe Pulisic is thinking, I got to be at the Gold cup this summer. I have to prove something and make sure that my spot is not guaranteed next year. And I have to make sure that I'm doing everything I can. I think these guys look at it a little bit. Well, you know, I'm fine. I'm still one of the best players on this team. I'm going to be a part of that starting lineup when the US Kicks off next summer at the World cup in Sofi Stadium. So I think you're right and I think Pochettino is getting a crash course right now on international management and realizing he can't go out and buy players. The talent pool is what it is and there's nobody. I don't think that's going to jump off the page in the next 12 months. That's going to shock everybody and become this big star. So how do you get the best out of the stars you've got? And then how do you turn those role players into guys that can genuinely contribute in big moments?
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Jason McIntyre
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Stu Holden
No, look at the international level in the international game. And I was just over in Germany working in the Nations League and got to see firsthand again. Portugal, Spain, Germany, France, these guys have just insane levels of depth to where even our very top players I think would struggle to get into some of those squads and be a part of that. And when you take a guy out of the match like you're talking about with Pulisic against a top level team, international game is decided on either teams putting pressure to make the other team make mistakes or individual brilliance and a guy like Lamine, Yamal, Mbappe, Messi, Ronaldo, these guys can win games for you at the highest level. Outside of Pulisic, I don't see anybody in the forward part of the field that can really consistently deliver that type of moment. Look, we have top guys, Tim Weah, Weston, McKinney, Flo, Baligan, but nobody in the same realm of Pulisic. And I think, look, maybe that's why he's also, he feels that pressure on a day to day basis. But that's what stars do and stars have that ability in those moments to still produce. But there's no mistake about it. And this is actually what I think is one of the hardest things for Pochettino right now is Christian Pulisic, revealed in an interview ahead of this, said, look, I asked to come in for the two friendlies and then sit out the Gold Cup. Pochettino said, no, it's all or nothing, which, by the way, I love. But at the same time, if Pochettino really wants to lay the hard line and said, you don't want to be a part of the Gold Cup, I'm not calling you in for the friendlies going forward until you can prove to me that, like, you're a part of the bigger picture here. But in doing so, he almost torpedoes his entire team. And you have a year to the World cup to try to make that type of statement. I don't think would have been the right move. I ultimately do think Pulisic cares. I think he's going to play a huge role over the next year and be a big part of the World cup next year. But I think it just feels like a missed opportunity and it's going to blow over. And my hope is that this team now can find a way in the Gold cup with that, that second tier of guys to make us believe and make themselves believe, more importantly, that they can do something special next year.
Jason McIntyre
By the way, all these guys get paid for this. But I mean, now you guys, when you're on the, when you're a United States men's national team member, women, you get, you get paid. What if USA Soccer said, listen, you're different, you're, you're like one of the leading scores for AC Milan? You are the best player arguably we've ever had. Could USA Soccer just say, we're gonna give you a million and a half? Would you plan it? Could they do it? And if they did, would Pulisic play?
Stu Holden
I think they could find a way to do it. Whether it's via a sponsor or an outside sponsorship that ends up sponsoring Pulisic, a substantial amount of money when it comes to, you know, team performances and bonuses. There's a CBA involved and that has increased significantly from when I played to what these guys get for appearing in the Gold Cup. But I would have to say, look, we understand. I mean, you started our conversation by saying these guys are paid millions of dollars in Europe to play for some of the biggest clubs. If U.S. soccer, if the Gold cup, if concacav increased the prize pool for the Gold cup and said, hey, you know, yeah, for just appearing, you get, you guys get $10 million for participating in the Gold Cup. I would have a pretty strong feeling that just about every single player would be on a plane right now flying and playing in that first game in the Gold cup on Sunday in San Jose.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, no, this. I think this is. I think it's a real thing. And I don't think we should think less of players. I mean, we just know how it works. It is for all of us. The bottom line is if the. If as USA Soccer grows, there's. You've got to have greater cash incentives for guys that are playing in Europe. So I, I appreciate the insight on that because I. Listen, we all want to get paid. And when you're one of the four or five best soccer players in a country of 345 million people, money talks. Stu, I appreciate it.
Stu Holden
Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's. It's an interesting thing to watch for. I mean, we have the club World cup, which is starting tomorrow here in Miami. Same thing. Look, FIFA's tried to create a prize pool to incentivize these big clubs to bring their best players. The World cup continues to grow. First time ever. Next year we're going to have 48 teams, 104 matches across three countries. But think about what that means for the smaller nations as well that will be participating in a World cup for the first time. The amount of money their federation and players will make, that grows the game. And as you said, we want to romanticize playing for the national team. I did it, of course, for the pride of representing my nation. But I would be lying to you, Colin, if I said it wasn't nice to get that paycheck alongside it.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. In 94, by the way, we hosted the World cup and it was the most attended World cup in the history. So it's going to be a massive event. And I'm just saying if you can find few extra dollars for stuff like the Gold cup, it matters. Stu Holden, as always, you're so good at what you do, buddy. I appreciate it.
Stu Holden
Yeah, Colin, always a pleasure, man. Thank you.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, this is a big event. One year they're in Miami. One year from now is the World cup, but this weekend USA is favored. But listen, Growth can get uncomfortable. You know, if you go to Pulisic and you just said USA Soccer, we'll give you a million and a half bucks. Can you play? Just find the money. You know, it's always there. USA Soccer, it's always there. Find it. J. Mac with the news.
Unknown Host
No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news. Alrighty then. Let's start with Aaron Rodgers. He's in camp and he's excited to play with DK Metcalf. Reports indicate that while Pittsburgh is engaged in communication for Kyle Pitts and John Usmith, nothing has materialized yet. Apparently the Steelers are lowball lowballing other teams. I'm sure Aaron Rodgers is thrilled with that. They have 32 million remaining in cap space, but they got to pay TJ Watt. So now it comes full circle. Colin, back to the T.J. watt thing. We've been on this. He should move on from him if he's going to soak up all the cap space. You're not getting Kyle Pitts or John who Smith. Tough decision, Colin. Overpay for a defensive leader who's probably number one jersey seller on or so for the record.
Jason McIntyre
And T.J. watts. Great. One sack in four playoff games. 0 and 4. So he's not, he's not winning games. You think it's outrageous to do this, folks. 31 year old pass rusher, usually healthy. One sack in four playoff games. 04. And you lead the league in defensive spending before his new gone, his new contract. So when you drop that $40 million a year and that's what you're going to pay him, 40 to 43 million a you already lead the NFL in defensive spending, so you're just guaranteed for the next three, you're gonna have like a six year run where you lead the NFL in defensive spending. You know who has the most offensive spending next year? Kansas City Rams, Philadelphia. Do you know the eight biggest contracts for the Eagles are all offense? Six of the seven for the Chiefs offense. Go look at the Rams. Rams pay a left tackle, a tight end, a right tackle, a quarterback. They're gonna pay Puka Nukua. They pay an interior old lineman. It's just, it's not that hard. It's not, it's not out. I'm the crazy one. And you're gonna pay T.J. watt 42 million a year and you already lead the NFL in defensive spinning and I'm the crazy one.
Unknown Host
You'd like to think they could figure out both adding Kyle Pitts, which would be nice, and Pitts Is underwhelmed dramatically. And remember when he was coming out of.
Jason McIntyre
Oh, I thought he was.
Unknown Host
It was like, oh, this guy is game changer. He. I think he went fourth overall and I have not seen it. There were some ball security issues last year.
Jason McIntyre
Kind of disappears. Not a very physical player like Brock Bowers can be physical and beat you down the field. Pitts disappears. He just doesn't have the physicality like a. Like a Kittle or a. I mean most of your great tight end Tony Gonzalez blocked. Brock Bowers will block. Kyle Pitts isn't a huge fan of that. Kittle will block.
Unknown Host
Next up, Colin is Tampa Bay. Let's talk about the Bucs. They took Ohio State wide receiver Emeke Abu Buka with the 19th pick. Some are saying it was a big steal in the first round. Obviously he's a great possession receiver. Well, he's already impressing teammates. Here's Mike Evans praising the young fella. He looks like a running back, but he, I mean, catches like Chris Godwin. Like he's very polished, very well rounded player. I know I say it a lot, but this might be the best receiver role I've been a part of. I say it every year, but we always get great players come in. So that's been very fortunate for me in my career to be around a.
Stu Holden
Lot of great young players and they've.
Unknown Host
Added to the room tremendously. They're already very polished already. Mecca's really strong hands, super smart test speed, quickness.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. And an unbelievable route runner. He is going to be Baker Mayfield is going to have once again, Tampa's always got backs, tight ends and wide receivers because they have a great gm. I think Emeka Buca will have a chance to be rookie of the year. I really do. Offensive rookie of the year.
Unknown Host
Well, we'll see what happens when Godwin comes back from the injury. What's interesting about Baker is that in Cleveland it was like, oh, he's not that good. Now you get him into Tampa and remember Chris Simms has him like as a top 10 quarterback in the league now, which is I think a little bit rich. But Baker's been fantastic in Tampa. Now he's on another coach because his guys keep getting plucked his OCs or head coaches. I'm very curious as to what happens at Tampa. I'm picking Atlanta to win the division, but I think you're on Tampa.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Yes, I am. I'm on Tampa. Yeah.
Unknown Host
Okay, Final story. Colin has some breaking news from the wnba. Caitlin Clark is back. She is going to be Returning to action manana tomorrow in a big game on TV against the undefeated New York Liberty, here's Caitlin Clark. She just talked about her return moments ago.
Colin Cowherd
I'm really excited. I think it's definitely been a process. I think the hardest part is when you like begin to feel really good. And then it's just a process of like working yourself back into, like actually getting up and down and getting out there with my teammates. It's certainly a learning opportunity and I think it's going to benefit me, you know, a lot throughout my career, just falling back and understanding, you know, certain moments like this and. But I'm super, super excited on Nancy to get out there and probably shake off a little bit of rust.
Unknown Host
So these two faced off, I believe in the last game Clark played before the injury and they lost by two. It was a tough one at the end. They could have had a shot. The fever went 2 and 3 without her. But Colin, that's not what you want to talk about, right? You want to talk about the 55% drop in ratings league wide without Clark. I mean, they're building Saturday games around Caitlin Clark practically every week. And it's like, okay, well, you got the best team in the league versus Clark back from an injury. I'm expecting a massive number. I don't know what you have planned this weekend, whether you're going out to hang out with large groups of people somewhere or hanging out with Chicago Bears people. But I'm guaranteeing I'll be texting you about Caitlin Clark during the game.
Jason McIntyre
I'll watch it.
Unknown Host
Should be a good one. I'm not gonna bet it. But by the way, how about this? The game's in Indiana, so you get game four tonight. By the way, the Pacers are undefeated when Caitlin Clark is in the building. Eight. No. And then Saturday you get the fever against the Liberty. So nice little basketball back to back before the soccer kicks in.
Jason McIntyre
Well, it's one of our great basketball states. J. Mac with the news.
Unknown Host
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.
Jason McIntyre
Well, we, we end every week. One of my favorite segments where the former newspaper man, he used to wear a hat with a press sticker out of it. He's an old school journalist, J. Mack, and he has. He's predicting the headlines. Tomorrow's headlines today. Next, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
Stu Holden
Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern.
Jason McIntyre
But here's the thing.
Stu Holden
We Never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.
Jason McIntyre
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for.
Unknown Host
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Jason McIntyre
Blaming me. Well, you know what?
Stu Holden
It's called Over Promise.
Jason McIntyre
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Stu Holden
You'Ve been over promising women for years.
Jason McIntyre
Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course, but we're also going to talk life and relationships and. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised.
Stu Holden
Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.
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There you go, Overpromising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely. Join us. Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Well, Colin, is this like an outlier or do you think this is a sign of things to come? Teams are going to say we gotta press more. We've got to play nine guys?
Jason McIntyre
No, I think. I think Tyrese Halliburton is the future.
Unknown Host
I think he's not making 70 million. They don't have anybody making 50 million a year.
Jason McIntyre
That's over. You can argue that's over.
Unknown Host
That. Well, that's what I'm getting at. Interesting.
Jason McIntyre
Now, I don't think that that's not the future. That's not what Adam Silver wants. That's not the new CBA. You can't forget getting three stars. You can get two. I mean, the Lakers have Luke and LeBron. Okay, good luck with a rim protect. Could you afford a Miles Turner? I'm not sure you could. So it's. I don't know. It's a new NBA and I think Halliburton's going to be at the center of it. So it's tomorrow's headlines today. What's it going to be, the headline for the NBA Finals?
Unknown Host
Well, you know, listen, one of us here picked the Pacers in six and the other one was traveling gallivanting, as they say in Europe. The headline for the series will be I can see your thunderwear OKC pants by Pacers. Listen, I know a lot of people are gravitating toward okc. You know, the zigzag theory, right? Whoever wins one game, the next game, the other team comes out and wins it because they're more motivated. I don't know that OKC is going to have an answer for the Pacers. And remember, Colin, Indiana just had their worst three point shooting game of the postseason and still won. So I think there's something to wearing down sga. I personally think Chet Holmgren has been pretty bad in the series outside of the first quarter of game three. J Dub missing free throws, turning the ball over. I don't know if OKC is the better team. Obviously, the stats all season have been great. But Colin, if you match them up, I mean, Rick Bucher was on here. They played nine guys with confidence, okay? They got. They got like their seventh, eighth, ninth guy are guarding SGA. For 10 minutes. Like, there's confidence in this depth, and I do. That's why I asked you, is this the new model? Hey, man, we don't need two stars. Let's get two B plus, guys. Siakam's a B plus. Halliburton, probably due to the clutch. This is an A, but maybe that's the new model going forward.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, we thought the deeper, more talented team was okc. And what I've seen, it's actually Indiana, and they have these ascending players. Tomorrow's headlines today, what about the finals mvp?
Unknown Host
Well, you know, Siakam stole the Eastern Conference finals crown in the win over the Knicks. But for the finals, the MVP will be Tyrese De Resistance. From most overrated to most decorated. Look at that. It's like the Mona Lisa, the clutch, the choke that he did against the Knicks. Listen, Halliburton needed a bounce back after a bad game, too. Remember, everybody was like, oh, he had three points heading into the fourth. Well, he had. I think it was 22, 11, and nine in a must have game three. Now, this one will be the big one because he has struggled against Lou Dort. And in one of the crazier stats that I've seen, he hasn't attempted a free throw in the series. Colin, he's. He's changed his game, which kind of says a lot for him. Right. With the New England Patriots, we would always talk about how they would. They were a run team. That one with defense, then the two tight ends, then they went slot receiver, then they went Randy Moss. They could win so many ways. That's why the dynasty lasted. Tyrese Halliburton is becoming one of those guys. I don't need to drive and get into the lane. I can kick. I can shoot threes like, I can do pretty much anything. And Tyrese Halliburton showed me a lot in game three. I think he's headed toward an MVP award.
Jason McIntyre
All right, let's shift gears here. Tomorrow's headlines Today, what's the headline for the Gold cup in the enigmatic Team usa?
Unknown Host
You know, you haven't talked about your weekend plan, so I'm guessing you're heading on a private jet down to Miami to watch some soccer. Maybe that's in the cards. I know it's a big one. The headline for the Gold cup will be Uncle Sam's Club. America keeps sampling goals. I am bullish on the usa. Now, we looked at the lines. I mean, Colin, the USA is so heavily favored in these first three games. It's like, come On. So I think they smashed their way to a Gold cup win here all weekend. First three games, they're going to roll. I will look at over for bets. Remember, this is a team that didn't play their best guys against Switzerland. A lot of newbies. I would say seven of those guys are not going to see the action in the first couple games of the Gold Cup. So I know there's no Pulisic, but there's still reason to be excited. There's a good team. The head coach needs a win. I'll go three nothing in the opener and from there it's just going to be a cakewalk for the USA.
Jason McIntyre
Okay, this, this lineup without McKinney and Tyler Adams and Pulisic is not a daunting offensive juggernaut.
Unknown Host
Not yet. Not yet. By the way, Diego Luna, they seem to love Mr. Luna. It's a name to watch.
Jason McIntyre
Tomorrow's headlines today. A lot of back and forth on this, a lot of innuendos and rumors. What is the headline for Giannis next season?
Unknown Host
Well, I'm sure you've seen Kevin Durant's agent trying to get him traded first, but that I don't think it's going to happen. I think it's a little overblown to me. Giannis is the first domino. Milwaukee wants to keep him, but the headline will be and I would have won too, if it weren't for you Mediterranean kids. That's shout out to my Scooby Doo fans. By the way, Scooby Doo was one of the greatest cartoons when I was a young fella. Good stuff. Anyways, I think Giannis is gonna end up in Houston. To me, that makes the most sense. As you've been saying for all last couple weeks, Sengun is the best of best piece. Yes, that the Bucks can get back. I don't think they can get Jalen Brown now that Jason Tatum is hurt. So Shen Goon would be the guy. And if I'm Milwaukee, Shen Goon probably is enough to keep you in the in the hunt for a play in as opposed to bottoming out, having to pay the luxury tax due to dame and then having nothing to show for it. So you get Shen Goon. I know you're lukewarm on Jalen Green, but man, you give me 23 points, I'm gonna take it. He's a 20. He's a 23 point a game guy and some draft picks. I think it makes sense. And then Giannis joins forces with Amen Thompson and they got some young fellas to Watch Reed shepherd coming off the bench. I like Tari Eason a lot. I think Houston becomes a contender next year with Giannis.
Jason McIntyre
Finally, tomorrow's headlines. Today, the headline for one Aaron Rodgers next season.
Unknown Host
Yeah, well, you seem kind of mid, as the kids like to say on the Steelers outlook. I'm a little less optimistic the headline in Pittsburgh will be it's his prerogative. Aaron's cheddar no better in Pittsburgh. Pierogi agative. I just couldn't spit that one out. It's a great headline though. I'm calling for 6 and 11. Colin, I don't know, is that too negative? Let me just, I'm going to remind people, other than that start from Justin Fields last year, like teams quickly figured out Pittsburgh and they couldn't do jack squat down the stretch. It was ugly. And it's not like Rogers is that much of an upgrade from Wilson at this stage. Is he?
Jason McIntyre
He is, but not a huge upgrade.
Unknown Host
And he got a lot of newness. Najee Harris gone. Your number one receiver in Pickens is gone. They got a new left tackle, an offensive coordinator who may or may not get along with Rogers. I just think it's too much newness and things don't go well for Tomlin, but he's not in jeopardy. Rogers heads off into the sunset.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, the, the finals game tonight, game four is interesting because, you know, I've said when Adam Silver inherited the league from David Stern, it was very much a dynasty driven league. But that's what David Stern need to, needed to create because he took over the league from Larry O' Brien and it was just in the 70s, there were no dynasties and no interest. So, you know, David Stern didn't have a problem with New York and Chicago and LA and Boston and Philadelphia having star studded teams. It paid off and it made the league incredibly global and relevant. But then Adam Silver inherits a league where, you know, he's looking at it thinking 70% of these teams can't compete and the small market owners are complaining. So they have, with the new cba, created massive money, but massive parity. And I, I mean this is crazy. Indiana is, I mean, Denver didn't shock us. Boston certainly didn't shock us. Is this the new league where next year Giannis and Houston are picked for like third in the west and they fly through it. So I think it's fascinating. I find Indiana incredibly consumable. I love the way they play. You know what's not. It is nice. I love dynasties, but it is nice having an Underdog. Go all the way through the playoffs. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's like in March Madness, you know, you get that 12 seed that'll win a couple games, but then they hit a ceiling. They can't get through the Elite Eight in the NBA playoffs. It's almost unprecedented. You just don't go all the way through as a dog. I mean, Cleveland was for most of the season, the second best team in the league to okc. I mean, and they've now, they had injuries, but so what flew through them? So I just. It's like nothing I've ever seen. I think. I think it's really. I know the ratings aren't great. I don't care. I'm enjoying it.
Unknown Host
Yeah, the ratings haven't been great, but like you said, who cares? I just, I. I'm a little concerned if this is the future of the league where every year there's a new champion. Historically, fans love dynasties. There's no way around it. I know Adam Silver and the small market guys, I get it. How about this? Fans want dynasties.
Jason McIntyre
Fans do. They love dynasties or great teams. And great teams often become dynasties. So, I mean, you can say they love dynasties. But the truth is, Shaq and Kobe were great television, and KD Stephen Clay were great television, and the Bulls were great television. So you can say people love dynasties. What they love is stars. And dynasties usually have multiple stars.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Jason McIntyre
So I think we. I think now we're going to be in a time where you can get Halliburton Siakam. It's going to be. You can't get a third. You. You need a Benedict Matheran.
Unknown Host
You need guys. You can give up four of your guys for one.
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, like, Denver's gonna have to. They'll pro off Michael Porter or Jamal Murray. You just the new cba. And the aprons, you just can't stack them anymore. It's over. All right. Good stuff. First things first. Around the corner. Going to be a great weekend. World cup is a year away. Gold cup starts this weekend. Fingers crossed. Stars not showing up. I don't know. Old Mr. Glass, half empty Jmax. Feeling pretty positive there going into the weekend. We'll see you Monday.
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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3: Headlines Release Date: June 13, 2025
1. Vaping Among Youth and Legislative Efforts
Timestamp: 00:04 – 00:29
The episode begins with a discussion on the alarming rise of vaping among children.
The conversation underscores the urgency to curb youth vaping by advocating for legislative measures.
2. FIFA World Cup and Gold Cup Preparations
Timestamp: 02:44 – 04:27
As the countdown to the FIFA World Cup in North America begins, the focus shifts to the Gold Cup's significance for Team USA.
3. Christian Pulisic’s Commitment to the National Team
Timestamp: 03:39 – 09:19
A significant portion of the episode centers on Christian Pulisic's decision to sit out the Gold Cup and its implications.
Stu Holden responds to Colin Cowherd’s defense of Pulisic:
"I don't think for a second that he doesn't care. I don't think that he prioritizes the national team... it's going to blow over." (05:27)
Jason McIntyre queries the potential financial incentives to encourage Pulisic's participation:
"What if USA Soccer said... we're gonna give you a million and a half? Would you play?" (15:33)
Stu Holden considers the feasibility of financial incentives, suggesting sponsorships or increased prize pools could motivate players:
"If U.S. Soccer... increased the prize pool for the Gold Cup and said, hey... you get $10 million for participating... every single player would be on a plane right now flying and playing in that first game." (16:04)
The discussion reflects on the balance between player commitments to club and country, emphasizing the need for strategic leadership from USA Soccer to build a competitive team for the upcoming World Cup.
4. NFL Updates: Aaron Rodgers and T.J. Watt
Timestamp: 19:00 – 38:49
The conversation shifts to NFL dynamics, focusing on the Pittsburgh Steelers' decisions regarding key players.
Unknown Host brings up Aaron Rodgers' enthusiasm to play with DK Metcalf, despite the Steelers' challenges in acquiring Kyle Pitts and John Usmith:
"He should move on from him if he's going to soak up all the cap space." (19:54)
Jason McIntyre criticizes the Steelers' investment in T.J. Watt, citing his underwhelming playoff performance:
"One sack in four playoff games. 0 and 4." (19:54)
The discussion highlights concerns over the Steelers' defensive spending and recruitment strategies, questioning the future viability of their current roster decisions.
5. WNBA Spotlight: Caitlin Clark’s Return
Timestamp: 23:21 – 24:54
The episode covers exciting developments in the WNBA, particularly Caitlin Clark's much-anticipated return to the court.
Unknown Host announces,
"Caitlin Clark is back. She is going to be returning to action tomorrow in a big game on TV against the undefeated New York Liberty." (23:21)
Colin Cowherd reflects on Clark's journey and her impact:
"I'm super, super excited to get out there and probably shake off a little bit of rust." (23:44)
This segment highlights the positive buzz surrounding Clark's comeback and the anticipated boost to WNBA viewership and team performance.
6. NBA Finals Predictions and League Parity
Timestamp: 31:16 – 42:03
The discussion delves into the current state of the NBA, focusing on team performances, potential dynasties, and future prospects.
Jason McIntyre comments on the league's shift towards parity under Adam Silver’s leadership:
"It's like nothing I've ever seen. I think it's really... fascinating." (40:39)
Unknown Host debates the future of team compositions, suggesting a move away from traditional dynasties:
"You need guys. You can give up four of your guys for one." (41:21)
"Tyrese Halliburton is becoming one of those guys." (33:42)
Predictions are made regarding the NBA Finals and MVP considerations, with Stu Holden and Jason McIntyre offering insights on player performances and team strategies:
"Chet Holmgren has been pretty bad in the series outside of the first quarter of game three." (32:09)
"Tyrese Halliburton showed me a lot in game three. I think he's headed toward an MVP award." (34:51)
The segment underscores the evolving dynamics of the NBA, emphasizing the importance of versatile players and strategic team management in achieving championship success.
7. Additional Sports Highlights and Predictions
Timestamp: 35:00 – 42:03
Further sports updates include predictions for the Gold Cup and NBA-related news:
Unknown Host discusses Team USA’s prospects in the Gold Cup without key players:
"I'll go three nothing in the opener and from there it's just going to be a cakewalk for the USA." (35:00)
Predictions related to Giannis Antetokounmpo's future and potential trade scenarios are analyzed:
"I think Giannis is gonna end up in Houston." (36:20)
The episode concludes with reflections on the NBA’s future structure and the impact of new stars like Tyrese Halliburton on the league’s competitive landscape.
Conclusion
Throughout "Hour 3: Headlines," Colin Cowherd and his co-hosts provide in-depth analysis and spirited discussions on a diverse range of sports topics, from youth vaping concerns and legislative actions to intricate debates on soccer commitments and the shifting paradigms in American football and basketball. Notable quotes and expert insights make this episode a comprehensive overview for listeners keen on understanding the current sports landscape.
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