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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. By the way, the commissioner, Rob Manfred showed up just about an hour ago and we did. We did ask him about potentially a salary cap it's important for our smaller.
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Julian Edelman
Markets to do something more than qualify for the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Julian Edelman
There's a difference between getting into to.
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Colin Cowherd
The first round and going deeper in the playoffs. There are five major North American sports, counting soccer. Four of them have a cap. We don't. We do hear a lot about it.
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Julian Edelman
From fans, particularly in smaller markets. But the reality is we're, you know, two years away from the end of the basic agreement. We're just not in a position where.
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Colin Cowherd
We are talking about or have made.
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Julian Edelman
Decisions about what's ahead in the next round of bargaining.
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Colin Cowherd
So. And let me push back on that. I don't think organizations have a right to a World Series. If you make the playoffs in baseball because of the season's length, you've given a city an amazing six months. I mean, it's, you know, think about how great the packers have been. Favre got one. Super Bowl, Aaron got one. I mean, Kansas City Royals got one. I mean, that's the reality. So this idea that, well, okay, Colin, you're right. A lot of teams with lower payrolls can make the playoffs, but that's enough. There's no guarantee. Think how good Mark Cuban's Mavericks were one championship and they were underdogs in it. So the idea that, I mean, when's the last time the jets were a Super bowl contender? So the idea that, well, if you. You got to do more than make the playoffs. No, you don't. If Oklahoma City never wins, they got to a final with Kevin Durant, Westbrook Harden, but they never win a final with this group. But they get to several again, Jerry west lost eight times to the Celtics in the finals. Seven or eight times. There is no right. If you're getting to the finals, you're getting into the playoffs. In baseball, that's better than half the sport. That's a great. Me, I'm a Mariner fan growing up. Playoffs. Let me do a Jim Mora. Playoffs. Playoffs. So this idea that, well, we don't. We never won a World Series. You know what? Royals, you got one. Rangers, you got one. Nat, she got one. You're probably not getting two. That's okay. There are even in college football, Purdue, should we shut the program down? They're never going to win a Natty. In college football, there are universities that just have to. They have geographical and financial advantages. Ohio's got more good players. So does Florida, Texas and Southern California and Miami, they got more good players. That's why they're winning. National college sports is really inequitable. I mean, there's some of these cold weather Northern how many good high school players does Wisconsin have? Just getting to a Rose Bowl. That's all you're going to get. You're not going to win a natty at Wisconsin. And the truth is is the Tampa Bay Rays are probably not going to win a World Series. But if you're getting to the playoffs, what's wrong with that? Like that that to me that's enough. If you were a viable playoff team on occasion. Sports Fine. I think we forget how much better sports is today than years ago. I mean go watch that HBO Max Bill Simmons series Celtic City. Just just the outrageous racism. And I mean the NBA was a tire fire in the 70s. They were, they were putting the Finals on tape delay. Our sports now are unbelievable. They're really, I mean they're the college kids are getting paid. Women's basketball's on fire. Women are encouraged to be great in sports. Our sports world is in an amazing place. Julian Edelman next Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. All you renters out there, here's something from Rocket Mortgage you're going to want to hear now. Anyone who has ever rented before knows that feeling you get every month. Your hard earned cash gone. It's like throwing money away. Even more frustrating is the knowledge that every dollar you spent on rent is a dollar you could have put towards your future. It can make it feel like you'll never be able to save enough to afford a home of your own. And that's what makes what Rocket Mortgage is doing so special. Rocket Mortgage is now helping you put your monthly rent payments towards home ownership. It's called Rent Rewards and for the first time, you can save up to $5,000 off the cost of your home just by paying rent. Only at Rocket Mortgage. If this sounds like something that could make a difference in your life, call 804Rocket or visit Rocket.com learn more about rent rewards that's 804Rocket or Rocket.com Rocket Mortgage LLC.
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Julian Edelman
I do agree with that.
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Colin Cowherd
Can I hear his mic? There we go. Go ahead.
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Julian Edelman
You there? Yeah, I do agree with that. Just for this, the simple situation. Look, let's, let's rewind Back when Aaron Rodgers was a young, spry quarterback, there was a quarterback in his room that was playing the antics that Aaron Rodgers is literally playing now. And Aaron picked up a lot of the habits of Brett Favre. Let's not, let's not joke around about it. He's doing the same things that Brett Favre did at the end of his career. That doesn't happen by accident. So you have a young quarterback in J.J. mcCarthy with the Vikings with a quarterback genius Coach and Kevin O'Connell, and you just want to throw in Aaron Rodgers, who, you know, week eight last year on was great because he started to get that chemistry that he doesn't get in the off season because he doesn't do the off season. But he started to get that. But you're also Getting all the other noise that you're going to have with Aaron Rodgers, which is a lot of distraction. And do you really want to go into this locker room, Minnesota, that went to the NFC championship or had a. Went to the divisional round last year and really put something in there that could mess with the feng shui of what that locker room is, they're clearly very confident in McCarthy. They let Sam Darnold walk out the door. We were talking about him being the MVP till week 14 last year, which is crazy. So they have a confidence. They know what they want. I like that they didn't name him the starter because now he gets to go out and earn it. And you can't just, you know, put in this whole process, this plan that you're preaching to the team and then name a kid who's never even played it down in the National Football League the starting quarterback after Sam Darnold leaves. So I do agree. I just went on 20 different tangents. I do agree that they didn't with them not bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, people have said about Aaron, like Pittsburgh fans are saying, well, he doesn't fit our culture. And my take is he's not really a football culture guy. Years ago in 2020, a story came out where Green Bay told Aaron, don't be the problem. Since that article, this would be his third team in four or five years. And so I think Aaron has sent a very clear message. I am unapologetically independent. I am what I am. If you sign me, I'm going to want a couple of buddies on the team. I'm okay with you as long as you don't fool me. Whatever you like. Like Gronks, like, I'll go to Tampa because I like the warm weather and I'm. I don't like the cold weather. So like, he told everybody, cold weather teams, not interested. So to me, you have to have a strong culture or Aaron can kind of hijack it like the Jets. Like, I think he could go right now to a Detroit or to a San Francisco.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
But like, for instance, there were a couple signings the Patriots made. Albert Haynesworth.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Randy Moss. I don't think Aaron fits a lot of cultures.
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Julian Edelman
I agree. But I do think he fits the Steelers culture because I believe in Mike Tomlin and the professional that he is as a head coach and how he communicates with players that he can make it work with Aaron Rodgers. We didn't hear anything about Antonio Brown until he left the Steelers. Yeah, that is a magic power by Mike Tomlin who kept all that noise in, in the building. So if, if there's any place for Aaron Rodgers to probably be okay with how he handles football, I think Mike Tomlin would be a great guy for that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So when, when, when you look at the free agency, I'll tell you a move I didn't love. I don't love Stefan Diggs to the Patriots for that number. Buffalo got better when he left. He was a three in Houston and they just paid him number one money. And my take is the culture isn't set yet and he can be a little noisy. Like in Houston, which is a city that like, like accepts noise. He could be a bit noisy.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And I don't love it. Again, Drake May is growing. He's not established. We surmised earlier today is they made that move because Cleveland's going to take Shador.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And then the Giants are going to take Travis Hunter. And Mike knows I got fired when I lost A.J. brown. We don't have any receivers. Yeah. They're looking at the draft and thinking we're not going to get Travis Hunter. Is it possible that's what they're doing?
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Julian Edelman
That could be possible. But you know, they need to upgrade the receiver room. And what you do get with Stefon Diggs is you get a professional, you ask anyone around town, anyone around the league. The guy works hard, he knows how to run every route and he's a professional when he's in the building. Yes, there's antics, but number two, I like Mike Vrabel dealing with those antics because he dealt with A.J. brown. He knows how to deal with a big time receiver. We didn't hear anything out of A.J. brown. He's a very like alpha type of guy that's played in, in the league that can communicate with these guys. And then number three, he's pissed off at the Bills still. Like, why wouldn't you want a little fire in a room, the receiver room for New England that hasn't performed in years. Why would you want a little fire in there? That's what Steph D. Diggs is going to bring. He's going to bring some urgency, which that room needs. He's going to bring some motivation. He's going, yes, there's going to be some other stuff, but I trust that Mike Vrabel will take care of that. Yes, he's got a young quarterback in Drake May, but we saw last year how Stephon Diggs was with Stroud. He was a different guy than he was with Allen. He understood, he matured a little bit over the year. He evolved his game and his attitude and I expect him to do the same thing in here. And if you look at the money, what's it, a three year deal, 36 million guaranteed? That's a two year or 37. That's two year, $15 million deal. Guys are making $40 million now a year, so that's not a big deal. That's where he's probably slated for the receiver he is in his career.
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Colin Cowherd
When you were with the Patriots and the Patriots missed on a lot of receivers, so they, after Chad Jackson, they sort of stopped until Nikhil Harry, they didn't draft a lot of first round guys. How long would it take you when you're with a good football team, New England, to realize, oh, that draft pick can play and that guy can't? Every team has busts, every single team. The great GMs have whiffed. Bill Polian whiffed. Were there times after the draft, first camp, you're like, don't think that guy's gonna make it.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, plenty of times.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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Julian Edelman
You know, if you're a first round guy, you gotta, you got a superpower of some sort.
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Colin Cowherd
Right? Right.
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Julian Edelman
So you want to see that superpower. And yes, you're in diapers with, you know, shells and off season workouts, but there's always something that you can see, an explosive movement, a guy body up a guy for the ball and steal it like he's a little kid or the speed of some guy. You see that first round talent, like where something is if he's going to be able to help right away.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So I'm a fan of Shadour Sanders and one of the reasons I'm a fan is he had a terrible O line in college. He trailed in all the games, he had no run game and he completed 74% of his throws. So you played with arguably the most accurate, consistently accurate quarterback, certainly the best bad weather thrower I've ever seen in Brady. And my thing is some guys are accurate and some guys aren't. And like Cam was never going to complete 68%. Anthony Richardson's not that accurate. Like I watched the door and I'm like, bro is running for his life trailing, so everybody knows he's throwing 74%. Like I don't believe you can go from inaccurate to really accurate. And so now you can go from inaccurate to 61%. But in all your years, of all the backups, wasn't Garoppolo accurate early?
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, he was very accurate. The Thing was, you quarterbacked. Yeah, I wasn't accurate. I was about with the receiver. With Shador, for me, it's not the accuracy. And you look at all the stats, he was sacked the most the last two years, his career in college, he's been sacked the most. Set a few records on that, which, you know, a lot of the times, yes, it's the offensive lines fault, but it's also, you know, it could be the quarterback's fault. So some of those can be on him. My number one thing with Shador is can he break down the protections? He's, he's not a mobile guy. He's. He's a pocket passer. We all keep on saying he's a pocket passer. So for me, if I'm a general manager, if I'm a team, I want to see how good he is with his protections because there's going to be a day where your, your left tackle can't. He's not going to be able to block the guy across from him. So you're going to have to slide the protection. You're going to have to get the ball out quicker. You're going to have to adjust your game. So him being able to adjust his game over these last couple years because of all the pressure, that could help him, but it also could hurt him because now he holds on to the ball too long, it's ultimately going to come down to the offensive coordinator he gets paired up with and that relationship and how he handles protections.
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Colin Cowherd
Brock Purdy is trying to get a massive deal, and the Niners have publicly stated, we're not handing out cash like we used to. In your years in the NFL, if a guy signs a deal and doesn't get what he wants, is there resentment?
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Julian Edelman
I may have resented Bill every dang contract I signed.
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Colin Cowherd
Really?
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Julian Edelman
I mean, no, usually a deal, usually they find a place where both ends are happy.
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Colin Cowherd
You were generally, you found a place.
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Julian Edelman
I found a place. I understood I wasn't gonna, you know, for me personally, I always took team friendly, ish deals because I understood what I was a part of. I understood that I'd have my most success in New England because we were winning. I understood that, you know, if I go to another team and that coaching staff gets fired and you're in the middle of nowhere and you ain't making no money off the field. Like, I understood all that when I was signing with New England. I think that's a huge part of the evaluation process for the player and the situation. A lot of the times guys you know, want the biggest dollar. But you know, for instance, you look at like Darnold, he goes and he signs with Seattle. I wonder what was the number that Minnesota signed him for? Because he's basically playing a one year deal with the team that he doesn't know and he's going to try to hit free agency again.
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Colin Cowherd
And a defensive coach.
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Julian Edelman
And a defensive coach. I would have took probably 6, 7 million dollars less to have my one year deal with Justin Jefferson and Addison and a coach that knows how to call plays for me if I'm going to try to hit it again, even if I wasn't going to be the guy this year, you know, that's kind of what you're evaluating as a player. It's not just the most money. If that's your goal. There's other ways to make the money. It's not always about doing on the field. So doing it through your winning, through the community of where you're at and there's. Those are all part of that evaluation process for the players. So you know that that's the real thing. What was that number that Sam Darnold or the Minnesota Vikings and Sam Darnold didn't get?
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Colin Cowherd
I think most of the smart athletes get. Winning trumps everything. Because when your career ends you'll get more deals and the deals now on social media alone, without a doubt, seven figure deals.
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Julian Edelman
Without a doubt.
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Colin Cowherd
Casting deals.
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Julian Edelman
Without a doubt. So I think players should really take a look at that when they're, when they're looking at if their number one goal is money. Okay, you got to look at everything because when you win and you're a champion, you make that money forever. You know, you may not make the money up front like you're making when you're, you know, at a team that's 4 and 13 and you guys don't make the playoffs, but you're the highest paid guy in the league. You know, that's, if that's your goal, that's your goal. But you could also make money the other way.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, I thought it was interesting. Tom Brady was quoted. Tom came out with it. This isn't speculation. He said, eventually, you know, I, I took a piece of paper and a pen and I wrote down things that mattered to me between Tampa and New England. And he acknowledges they had really good receivers. That was really important. He's like, you know, also the coach was offensive. The weather was better. I didn't want to play in cold weather. And he acknowledged, he goes, we reached a point where tension, it was Inevitable. I had to leave. And I'll say this now, and I'll ask this, because it's out there. Tom's acknowledging the tension. Do you remember the first time? The first time I knew Tom was leaving is when he screamed at the wide receivers, get open. And it was on television. I thought, okay, I'm seeing publicly frustrated Tom with his personnel. That's why I wasn't shocked when he went to Tampa. And he also liked the Chargers that had Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. He wanted receivers as you left. Like, it was like, okay, Gronk aged. Do you remember the first time you thought Tom's cranky to Dave's or Bill treated him away and you just. You didn't like it.
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Julian Edelman
You know, Bill was. Bill was tough on everyone. And I don't know if I had my blinders on and I thought everyone was on the same table. I may have, you know, so if he got into Tom, he got into Tom. If he got into Vince, he got into Vince. If he got into Ninkovich, he got into Ninkovich, he got into Slater. Got into Slater. But when it was Tom, it was different. And the thing is, Tom, he had a really good poker face. Even when you could tell when he had his feelings hurt or he was maybe a little frustrated with certain things, he didn't let it affect him. And that's why he's an ultra leader, and that's why he's the greatest leader of all time. You know what I mean? Because we. We all kind of knew what was going on. He felt the tension, but you didn't see it from Tom. He didn't show nobody.
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Colin Cowherd
He didn't let it seep in.
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Julian Edelman
He didn't let it seep in. He went to work. He was the same guy every day. He like. Yes. Emotions in the game. When he says, oh, get open, guys, that's gonna happen, that's a mo. It's an emotional game. You're in the heat of battle, but, like, you didn't really see any kind of frustration from Tom, and that's because he always had a really. I knew personally there were certain things, but, you know, he never let everyone know. And. And that's. That's what a good leader looks like.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Games with Names New episode every Tuesday. Puka Nuku is on yours.
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Julian Edelman
Puka Nuku is on my.
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Colin Cowherd
You got to tell him, stop talking about retirement.
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Julian Edelman
I know. I agree. You can't.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't like it.
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Julian Edelman
I don't either. There's. You know, I agree with you on that. I think he's just being. He was a little young, got a little excited in front of the microphone, you know, I'm telling you, sometimes you get comfortable in a setting and you start talking and you don't understand what you're saying. But you definitely don't want to tell an organization that you, you don't want to cap your career because, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
GMs don't care about work, life balance.
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Julian Edelman
No, they don't. They don't. They care about. This is a production business. That's what they say this is. And if he goes out, he balls and does it, it's fine. But still, you just gotta loose leaps. Loose lips sink ships, bro.
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Colin Cowherd
And careers.
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Julian Edelman
And careers. Yeah, but he'll be all right. He'll be all right.
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Colin Cowherd
He'll be all right. Julian Edelman. Thanks, buddy. Good seeing you live in LA. It's the herd want more heard. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartradio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5.
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Julian Edelman
To 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
On Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything.
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Julian Edelman
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We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture.
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Julian Edelman
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Colin Cowherd
To have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out.
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Julian Edelman
We like to get you involved too.
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Colin Cowherd
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Julian Edelman
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Julian Edelman
Be sure to check out Covino and.
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Live show, just search Covino and Rich.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
No, no, no.
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Julian Edelman
Heard on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
There's an Aaron Rodgers update coming in about four minutes. You're gonna love. All right, let's get started with okc. How about it? The Thunder became the first team to hit 60 wins this season. Take it down. The Kings last night. Thunder of 1, 14 of 15, 11 straight on the road and they have the single season highest point differential of all time. Colin, the numbers are saying this Thunder team is going to the finals. You and I kind of sort of disagree. Are they not getting enough respect from the. The pundits such as ourselves?
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Colin Cowherd
They're getting plenty of it. They're Cleveland. They're Cleveland a year ago. They're a year away. They're a regular season team and they're gonna. You just wait and see. It'll. I will say this. I watched last night Chet Holmgren. I have hair envy. That guy's got good hair.
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J. Mac
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I just think they're fine. And you can see what's going to now, if they made the finals, would we be surprised? No. No. So I mean they're a really good team. Yeah. And they're in the regular season because they're so deep and their style, I mean they play really good defense. They come at you with incredible intensity and that overwhelms a lot of older teams that have some load management dudes like the Clippers or the Lakers. You can get into a situation where they, they roll into. I mean it's SGA is playing every game. It's like the Celtics. Jason Tatum's playing every game. If you're not ready to go with their intensity, they're going to walk over you. And you know Denver the other night, Yokich is out and then LeBron is out net. Some of these older teams, Milwaukee now dames out. So if you, if you're deep, talented and play hard, you're going to win a lot of games in this league in the regular season.
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J. Mac
I know I joke about the Thunder all the time. I'll give them credit. They're really well built to handle anything. They got two bigs, Heart and Stein and Chet. So if they have to face Jokic, they got bodies. If they got to face the Mavs bigs, they got dudes. And then they face the Lakers. I don't know that Hartenstein plays that much against the Lakers. They probably go small wing heavy to defend LeBron and Lucas. So I think the Thunder are really well built. Give a shout out to Sam Presti. I know he watches, so congrats Sam. Next story is, how about this one? LeBron's bringing back his Mind the Game podcast. But he has a new co host, Colin Steve Nash. How about that? So LeBron's last co host was a guy named JJ Redick, who a few months later wound up as the Lakers coach. Now Steve Nash, who was jettisoned by the Nets after running into the KD Kyrie disaster.
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Colin Cowherd
That was impossible, Staff. I mean that was an impossible lift for a coach, for a rookie coach. Brutal.
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J. Mac
So now Nash will be doing the Mind the game podcast with LeBron and I wonder if Nash will suddenly become a hot commodity as a potential head coach somewhere around the league. Should Tom Thibodeau get run off by the Knicks if they lose? I, I don't know, but I don't.
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Colin Cowherd
Think Nash would work after his disaster in Brooklyn. I mean, I was told by somebody that's close with Steve that by the end he wanted to be let go. Like it was, I'll go back to Manhattan beach and play tennis. Like I don't any part of this. I think Nash can. I think he like a Steve Kerr or a JJ Redick. Smart dude, knows the game. But I mean sometimes it's just fit. Like never forget Steve Kerr turned down the Knicks job when Phil Jackson was there. He's like, no, this isn't the right job. Cuz Steve Kerr would have been fired.
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J. Mac
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Like in the NBA you're as good as your star is committed. By Joe Missoula's first year, we were saying he's a little over his skis. By the second year we're like, Joe Missoula's good. Why? Because Jason Brown, Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown are totally committed and totally professional. So you know, and I'm not banging, but Harden and Kyrie was in his feels and Kevin was the easy guy to deal with. So in this league you're as good as your best star. When you had John Stockton and alone Jerry Sloan knew those guys are going to play a lot of games, they're going to play hard and they're going to score 25 points.
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J. Mac
And listen, Nash is, I'll just say this. He is a very intelligent guy. Not only is he a great tennis player, he's an amazing soccer player.
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Colin Cowherd
He's just a great athlete and a really nice guy.
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J. Mac
I predict he's going to be around, he's going to be coaching again within the next.
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Colin Cowherd
Remember Jason Kidd's First NBA job wasn't great. He bounced back and now he's considered a very good coach.
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J. Mac
Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. All right, now let's get to the Aaron Rodgers news that's just starting to break here. According to Vikings GM Quesi Adolfo Mensah, he has confirmed that Kevin OConnell spoke to Aaron Rodgers about the quarterback opening in Minnesota. Now, I say opening because there's still some discussion about whether or not J.J. mcCarthy is the guy. They spoke. The Vikings did to Aaron Rodgers. They decided to pass. They're happy with their quarterback room here. Albert Breer just posted this. Right now we're happy with our quarterback room at every checkpoint, whether it was the draft process or practice until the injury offseason. Now this is the Vikings GM, okay? J.J. mcCarthy has met the bar. So they like what they see from McCarthy. They spoke to Rogers and decided to pass on the multiple time MVP who has won a Super Bowl. Colin, this has to be a major ding to the ego of Aaron Rodgers. That's why he's gone dark. He's not talking to anybody right now. You guys pick JJ but he's never.
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Colin Cowherd
Thrown an NFL pass coming off an injury. Two of them. Two. Two.
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J. Mac
Surgery him over me.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And the Vikings would have kept Darnold for the right number. So the Vikings are telling you we'll take Sam Darnold and J.J. mcCarthy both over Aaron. So my guess is if it's going to come in the next few days, that would probably be Pittsburgh or retirement.
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J. Mac
I, I think this, to me, I would retire that. The Vikings are revealing this, that, hey, we spoke to Aaron. Now he's gone dark. I, I wonder if he's just like, you know what? Screw almost like Belichick, how no NFL teams wanted him. He went back to college. There's no other place for Rogers to go. Remember, Belichick was like, I'm gonna tell.
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Colin Cowherd
You right now, Pittsburgh's not gonna end well. Battle line, defensive culture and two receivers that are. That bring maintenance and no Naji Harris and Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I don't, I mean, I, if I was Aaron, I would call it a career.
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J. Mac
And what does it say that the Giants were like, we'll pass on them another Vikings. No thanks. Colin. This is, this has got to be a tough week. Some guys maybe lay off. You know, it's a little harsh.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not, no, I'm not being. I'm, I'm saying I think his legacy is better served retiring. I think he can go, hey, my last 10 games in New York I played well, but I had a great career. I'm done. Does he Let me tell you this. I trust the Jets O line next year more than the Steelers. That's a take because the jets at.
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J. Mac
Least have a left tackle get out of Penn State. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And they have an interior lineman, Elijah Vera Tucker I like.
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J. Mac
He's good. Their center showed well.
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Colin Cowherd
He showed well.
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J. Mac
I forget where he's from, but that's not. It's not a bad take.
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Colin Cowherd
Jets offensive jetso line will be better this next year than the Steelers missing their left tackle because it's not a great tackle draft.
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J. Mac
So you know, listen this show you and Rogers have had a many, many year just you've been a talking point for Rogers, obviously. Any of your takes on him go viral? I don't and I'm just if this is the end, he's up first ballot hall of Fame. Oh, no doubt. Certainly. Does he just fall off the map or is he still like a talk do we still talk about Brady's been gone. We still talk about him.
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Colin Cowherd
The one thing like I could say nine nice things about Aaron hall of Famer think he's bright. He's unapologetically independent. He tells you who he is. If you can't deal with it, I don't have a problem with this podcast weekly. I do think you're better off finishing camp and not going to Egypt, but that's not a big deal. The vaccine stuff doesn't bother me in retrospect. I mean, it probably should have been more open, but a lot of people fibbed. I don't care. I've watched his documentary. I read the book by Enocon. I'm not anti Aaron. I don't think however, and I think and I know this from people that have played with him, he can be moody, he can be prickly, he can be passive aggressive. I don't love those as leadership traits, but I've said this before. A Rod was more talented than Jeter. Jeter was built to be a better leader because of his childhood and his upbringing. He was just a better leader. Tom and the stability of his family was built to be a better leader than Aaron. Aaron had a ton of talent. So some of this is just how you're raised. The family dynamic. Aaron's had some combativeness with the family. Tom's had none. So a lot of Aaron's stuff we saw the day he was drafted. He had a chip on his shoulder the day he was drafted. So I'm not I got nothing against him. If I saw him. Hey, how are you? But Aaron tends to be somebody that, like, he hears everything and he holds grudges. Kevin Durant's got a little bit of that, but Durant's not a grudge holder. Durant will literally go after you on social media and laugh.
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J. Mac
He's not ducking the stuff.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no.
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J. Mac
Roger's ducking it and going.
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Colin Cowherd
Kevin's good natured. Kevin Durant, I think, is a good natured guy who will. He'll go. I mean, Kevin Durant would walk up to me if I saw me and say, two months ago, you said, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And he would say it with a smile on his face.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Aaron would just not look at you. And I think he's a little darker that way. But having consumed every game, his docs and his books, I think Aaron, it proves like Kyler Murray or Jay Cutler, Jeff George or Cam Newton, they're all humans, they're all different. Brady is textbook, but that's, that's the ideal for the record. Kobe Bryant, tough on teammates. Michael Jordan, tough in Washington, teammates. So Aaron wouldn't be the first guy that can be, you know, a little passive aggressive.
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J. Mac
And we know endings are not always pretty.
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Colin Cowherd
With quarterbacks, mostly.
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J. Mac
Not everybody can have John Elway's ending.
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Colin Cowherd
They're mostly not.
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J. Mac
Or Peyton Manning winning the Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
Brady Jeter, Elway, the reason you remember him, they're so unique. Great. Michael Jordan's was a mess.
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J. Mac
Horrible with the win. Do you remember Eli Manning? I know he won two Super Bowls. He's a full team.
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Colin Cowherd
They benched him.
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J. Mac
It was awful. Like, it was so bad.
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Colin Cowherd
Awful.
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J. Mac
Yeah, it's tough, man. It's tough. And, and, you know, go to the NBA. Patrick Ewing, he was like in Seattle.
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Colin Cowherd
And there's a picture of him wearing a Raptors jersey with a dinosaur.
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J. Mac
Elijah, one I think played on like the. Some. A random team. You're like, elijah played for them. It's tough, man.
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Colin Cowherd
With sports. Yeah. J. Mack with the news.
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Julian Edelman
Well, that's the news.
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Colin Cowherd
And thanks for stopping by.
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Julian Edelman
The hero line news.
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Colin Cowherd
I think it's. Isn't it Ewing in a Raptors jersey. Like, there's a picture.
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J. Mac
You're like, wow, might have been Sonics. I don't know. One of those two. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So, yeah, I. Retirement. You know, the one or two people I know that have retired about a month in there. Like, this is a pretty good life. Not getting tackled, blindsided. We'll see you tomorrow. Be safe. It's the Herd. This is Nikki Glaser from the Nikki Glaser podcast. Have you guys seen this new commercial from Stand up to All Hate? It's basically Snoop Dogg and Tom Brady going back and forth with reasons that they hate each other. But then when you really listen to them, the reasons for the hate are just so stupid. I don't know. This. This commercial really got me. It's a strong reminder that hate in our country continues to be out of control. So join us at iHeart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up. Call it out. Your voice is a powerful tool in this fight. You can learn more by following. Hat's upwithhate. Okay, so we all need to get.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
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Julian Edelman
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
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Julian Edelman
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J. Mac
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Julian Edelman
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to the Middle we Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Are your ears bored?
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Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
Very extra way of saying a podcast.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
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