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Doug Gottlieb
This is Doug Gottlieb from All Ball with Doug Gottlieb.
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Jack Flaherty
Listen, I'm gonna get serious for a minute. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's sadly at an all time high.
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Doug Gottlieb
But it's gonna take all of us to stop it.
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Jack Flaherty
I mean, we're all on the same team in this country. So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a timeout against hate. Visit standuptoallhate.org to help and join me.
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Doug Gottlieb
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Jack Flaherty
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Jack Flaherty
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Doug Gottlieb
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Jack Flaherty
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Doug Gottlieb
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Jack Flaherty
Now, let's get this party started.
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Doug Gottlieb
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, July 30. GM comes up to you and says you've been traded to the Dodgers. Was your first reaction? That's a lot of pressure.
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Jack Flaherty
No, definitely was not. That's a lot of pressure. It's like, wow, I. I can't believe that this is real. I can't believe this is happening. I knew I was going to get traded. It was. It was pretty much. It was made very evident to me, like, yeah, we're gonna move you. We don't know where. And then it's going to be the Dodgers. And I'm like, how quickly can I get this text off to my mom before it breaks? Because this is going to happen really quick, just so she didn't see it from elsewhere and be like. And I just. Just one word was Dodgers. And yeah, that was all my thought, so.
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Doug Gottlieb
And they relied on you. We said it's almost remarkable. They won 40 different pitchers used in all three series. I'd never seen this a bullpen game in the World Series. I thought I said out loud. I thought the Padres had you. The Padres series was different because that team is all attitude. And when you came here, did you realize how intense the Dodger Padre rivalry was?
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Jack Flaherty
No. I think you see it. You could see the games. You see the way that it had gone and the way that it had gone over the last couple of years. I think it was 22 when San Diego beat them. But I didn't realize the record difference on the season until we played them, because I got there for. It was the series. They were playing in San Diego. They had one more game. I flew in just to be there with the team before we took off for Oakland, and, you know, they beat us pretty bad. You know, it was. It was a rough day and. But the atmosphere was. Was awesome. But then it was just different. I didn't really realize how intense it was. I had been in rivalries before with us and the cubs being in St. Louis, but that one was trash talking. Yeah, there was a lot of. A lot of back and forth, and it kind of felt like the second we didn't react to everything that was going on and we played our game and we worried about us. The better position we were in, like, just kind of like one of those things. Like, they, like, it felt like they, you know, they were trying to get under our skin.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yes.
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Jack Flaherty
And, you know, personally, like, I let it happen in. In game two where I. Things got emotional, and it felt like once we just worried about us and went about our business and relaxed a little bit. We were able to relax a little bit before game four, and, yeah, we took care of business.
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Doug Gottlieb
So Freddie Freeman, you know, these first inning home runs are insane. As a pitcher, we don't think that offense. We know, we know, you know, pitching with a lead probably helps a little, but it felt like those Freeman home runs kind of changed the pitching. Like, almost gave you guys more confidence, you were more aggressive.
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Jack Flaherty
Doesn't change 100%. Pitching with a lead absolutely is a difference. Especially in playoffs, when you have a lead and you can go out and attack the other team and you can go out and it. It opens the door to go get strike one and just to go right at guys and. And to be aggressive and not really worry about, like, you know, I gotta. I gotta pitch the corners. And especially if you're on the road now, you've got momentum going out there, and it's just like, how quickly can I get these guys back to hitting and how quickly can we get, you know, these guys back up again? So for me, my job at that point is how quickly, you know, just, let's just get these guys out and get these guys back in the dugout, let them keep swinging it, and let's build this lead and let's end this game early, because momentum in the playoffs is a real thing, and it's everything. And once that thing starts to shift, things can happen quickly and can go in whatever direction that it wants to go.
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Doug Gottlieb
One of the things that struck me, Jack Flaherty joining us, if you're listening on radio. Dodger. Great came July 30th at the deadline from Detroit and was really crucial in the playoffs. I'm struck by. Ohtani is the biggest superstar in the game. Mookie Betts is one of the greatest. I compare him to Joe Morgan. Probably you wouldn't remember that as well. Joe Morgan, I thought, was the best baseball player I ever saw, but because he was around Johnny Bench and Pete Rose, he was overshadowed. Mookie Betts, similarly, is an insane talent. I don't understand where he generates that power. And then you have Freddie Freeman and guys like you, and then Clayton Kershaw's not pitching, but there's an aura around him. And then Walker Bueller, and here's Dave Roberts having to manage injuries and resources. I'm struck by the body language, how positive. I don't sense ego. If Ohtani wanted to be a jerk. He could be.
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah, he could be.
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Doug Gottlieb
When you came to the organization, were you immediately embraced?
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Jack Flaherty
I was. And it was. It was. It was one of those things. I had known a couple of. A handful of guys on the team already, so for me, coming in, and I had known Doc a little bit, and we had. We had family friends that knew each other, so I felt like it wasn't a. It wasn't a bunch of, hey, nice to meet yous. It was a bunch of, hey, man, good to see you. Like. Like, we all knew each other. It wasn't like, hey, I'm so and so. It wasn't, you know, hey, I'm Will Smith. Hey, I'm Mookie Betts. It was like, mook, it's good to see you, Will. Like, how we doing? How are we going to make this thing happen? So it was a lot more of that where I have known or gotten to know some of these guys a little bit, where they just embraced. They. They brought me in, embraced me, and I felt like I just, you know, just seamlessly fit in and was able to go out, have a good start in Oakland and just. Just go from there. We had a bunch of injuries and. But it was. It was really just next man up, whoever. Whoever was ready to pitch, whoever was ready to go that day, Give it everything you got and just go out and do it.
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Doug Gottlieb
I thought the Padres actually matched up better than the Yankees or Mets did against you. I thought they kind of matched up, but they're a team, as you told me during the break, they play with a. There are a lot of emotion. They don't play as well from behind. Going into the World Series, and I just looked at the batting order, and I thought, you know, once you get past, like, a Stanton down, I just thought that your pitching would beat their hitting. Whereas you guys can put Tommy Edmond batting ninth, and it's like, he'll eat you alive. What was the scouting report going into the World Series? Was there a sense that you feel like we got the better. We got the better team here?
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Jack Flaherty
Look, I think that, for me, it was just trying to keep guys off base when it was trying to. You have to get the bottom of the order out. Because once you get up, if you've got guys on base and Then you've got, you know, Glabor, Soto, Judge, and Stanton coming up. You got problems. You got a lot of problems. So you have to, you have to get the bottom of the order out so that you're not facing those guys with runners on. And if I can get to a point where I'm facing, you know, Soto, Judge, and Stanton without runners on, we'd be in a, we'd be in a better spot. You know, we trusted our lineup, what they were going to do. You got the NLCS MVP hitting 9th for part of it when we got it, which is crazy.
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Doug Gottlieb
Crazy.
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Jack Flaherty
And, but that goes to the no ego. Thing is Tommy has no ego. He won the mvp. He was unbelievable. Nlcs. Hey, by the way, we're going to hit you ninth, but then, you know, against Rodan, we're going to hit you fifth because you're maybe a little bit better right handed. But none of those guys had any ego. Mookie, Shohei, Freddie, like, they just wanted to do whatever it took to win, and they did it. And that comes down to sack flies. You got Mookie celebrating sack flies. Which it's not to say he wouldn't do that in the regular season, but the emotion that he would show of like, I got the job done, we got a run because every single run mattered and what we were able to do. So it was, I mean, the whole playoffs was a grind. And our offense, they, they, they, they, they showed up and, and, and, and really, they helped us throughout the, throughout the World Series.
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Doug Gottlieb
The, I mean, you've pitched St. Louis, good franchise, been a little lean in recent years. Detroit's had down years. How, I mean, I, I, I watched the R and D for the Dodgers. They don't miss on trades very often. They bring up minor league guys. They're all good. I mean, they're, they, they overachieve. If for a big, For a team that could spend a lot of money and overspend, they spend it smartly. They passed on Manny Machado, Zach Greinke. They don't always just spend the most money. I still can't figure out how they got Mookie Betts and why Boston let him go. But how is it different do you feel having been with four, let's say you've been Cards, Orioles, Tigers, Dodgers. This is not to knock other teams. I always felt the Dodgers were kind of elegant. They're kind of stately, like it, does it feel different?
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Jack Flaherty
You feel the, you feel, feel the, you feel the, the like, like that they're any, any Place they go, they're the, they're the bigger, better team. And you know, like, Matt Kemp, he told me this. He, he, he said it's just different wearing the Dodger blue and it's different having Dodgers across your chest. He said, guys just come here and you just, like the level of their game just steps up for whatever reason. And maybe it's, it's the guys you're. That make you feel like, hey, I'm on the same level as this guy. Like, I get to, I get to work. I get to work with him every day, or the staff that they bring around and how much staff that they have to give you information or to help you out. And the way that they watch you work, go about your business, the way they watch you throw, the way that their meetings are held, everything, it is top tier, from top to bottom, and every single part of it goes that way. And I think it goes a long way where you continue to see the success throughout the regular season, no matter who's out there. It's not the same team every year. There's a different piece here and there. And then, you know, the playoffs just comes down next. I mean, playoffs, anything can happen. And I know that they, you know, they, they caught a lot for not winning in the, in the past, but anything can happen in baseball in the playoffs. The best team doesn't win every year. And, you know, the Dodgers have been, they've been the best team. And when you go to certain cities that you, when you go to certain cities, teams are like, okay, like, we, we got a real team coming in now. And that's, that's the feeling that you get when you play them.
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Doug Gottlieb
When the, when the Yankees melted down in the fifth, I mean, it was, I've never seen anything like it.
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Jack Flaherty
Never seen it.
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Doug Gottlieb
And they were not a great fielding team to begin with. You guys were a better fielding team. But when you're in that, when you're in that dugout, because it kind of felt like, we're going back to la. Yeah, we're going back to LA that way. And in that fifth inning, I'm just, I'm going, oh, the Yankees are playing tight, which is remarkable because you're the favorite and you played loose. Yeah, they're their underdog. And could you sense they just got tight?
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Jack Flaherty
I think we could sense it from the feeling in the, in the stands, like before the intros of game three. Whatever reason, we were all kind of looking at each other and just were like, it just, it feels like a nervous energy. In the stands, and we couldn't quite pinpoint it, and we were like, let's just go out and play and like, have some fun. We got Walker Bueller on the mound, one of the best big game pitchers that there is. Like, he's gonna go do it. Our bullpen is fresh and healthy because, you know, Yamamoto had pitched well the day before. I did enough in game one. And it was like, let's just, let's go out, win this game and end this. End this series and, and make. Go up three zero. So we. Yeah, it felt. And then game five, I've. That ending was crazy. Everything that could have gone wrong for them did.
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Doug Gottlieb
Everything.
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Jack Flaherty
And we still had to capitalize because that, that play with. With Rizzo and Cole happens and we're like, oh, my goodness, like, like, thank goodness. But then Freddie gets a hit, Teo gets a hit, and now we're. Now we're. Tie ball game. And now it's like, okay, now you.
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Doug Gottlieb
Took advantage of the momentum.
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
They gave you an opening and you took advantage.
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Jack Flaherty
Took advantage. That's the way it goes. Momentum is a huge thing. They. I didn't pitch well to start the game. They had all the momentum. Cole's throwing a no hitter. We get a couple guys on and air here or there, and all. All it took was. Was one hit from Freddy and then it was. Then it was game on.
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Doug Gottlieb
So you're intense on the mound. Yeah, you look like you are. And it's funny. Dave Roberts is the nicest guy. It feels like he is. And you, you pitch sometimes angry. You are, you are. I mean, I mean that you're like intimidating looking. So when you were coming today, I'm like, this guy, he's got an edge. When Roberts comes to the mound, do you guys. Is it always like an understanding? Do you ever fight to stay in? What is. What are those? Because you're a very intense guy out there and you're not in person, but you are on the mound when Dave comes out there. Has it ever gotten intense?
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Jack Flaherty
No. Every time he's come out, he. He has signaled before he got out there that he was gonna to bring in the bullpen. There was only one time where we had a discussion and it was my first home start against the Pirates and I got through five innings and, you know, he comes over to me and I know he's going to tell me, hey, you're done. And I just kind of look at him. I. Guy just was like, no. And he was like, what do you mean? I was like, I Was like, no, like, I'm good. I felt like that day I could throw 150 pitches and my arm was going to be fine and I had plenty of tank. And he just, and he was like, okay. And he, and he, and he walked back and, and I went out and I, you know, I threw 110 pitches or whatever. It was like. And he came out to get me. I didn't finish the inning. And you know, some of the pitchers were like, we even like seen that where we let it, we let a guy go over 100 pitches. It's your second start here. And I was like, I don't know, man. I felt like I could throw 150 pitches today. And Doc to, to his credit was like, okay, like if you, if you, you say you got it, like, sure. And he let me go out and I, you know, pitched well for, for that inning, didn't get out of it. And he came and got me at the right time. So that was the only time. Otherwise, the discussions on the mound, we haven't had any. We, it was, it was usually, hey, you know, good job, we're going to get you. Or you know, I didn't pitch well. And it was like, hey, we're going to pick you up. We're going to, we're going to go win this game. Which is kind of how game five was. It was like, hey, we're going to pick you up. We got you.
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Doug Gottlieb
Obviously you knew before you got here how great Ohtani was. What was the moment when he was a teammate? It could have been at the cage. It could have. That you went, all right, that's different.
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Jack Flaherty
Oh, there was a, there was a ball that he, he hit. It was against Colorado against Kyle Freeland and he, and he took a pitch that was up and in left on left and he, and it was a pitch up here and he hit it out to left center and he hit it about 10 rows deep into left center, which you don't do as a left handed hitter at all. And then we all went and watched exactly where the pitch was and then we saw it's two balls above the zone and he hit it out and we were like, that's, that's not normal. And they had watched him all year and been with him and everybody was still like, wow, that was, that was incredible. And, and Sho is just, you know, he's just, he'll just be like, ah.
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Doug Gottlieb
You know, he looks like a movie star.
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah, he is, he's, he's a, he's a stud. He, man, that. That dude is. He's incredible. And he will. And he's as. He's as cool, calm and collected as they come. He just. Yeah. Him showing some emotion is different, but it's. He's awesome.
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Doug Gottlieb
I love that. By the way, Erawan is a very bougie. It's very high end. You've gone total la. You've got your own smoothie at Erewhon. My daughter's like. She tells me she go to Erewhon. I'm like, is dad paying for it? Because I know what it costs to get a smoothie at Erawan. You've got your own smoothie.
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah, you're.
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Doug Gottlieb
You're uptown.
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
Look at it. Is that yours?
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah, that's. That's the smoothie right there before the big game. Yeah, it was right before. Right before the World Series.
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Doug Gottlieb
Congratulations.
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Jack Flaherty
I appreciate it.
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Doug Gottlieb
Full blown la.
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
What a story. Your mom ran the Little League. I think it was Sherman Oaks.
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah, Sherman Oaks, Little League.
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Doug Gottlieb
Your backstory is incredible. You become a Dodger. You're so valuable. And this was a real pleasure. You are welcome anytime.
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Jack Flaherty
I appreciate that.
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Doug Gottlieb
You know, you're kind of intimidating when you pitch. They told me you were on the show Tuesday and I'm like, I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to get Jack worked up. But you know what you do put the classic game face on. Is the day you pitch different upstairs?
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Jack Flaherty
It's very different. It's very different. I come in, I don't talk to anybody. And I think it's. It's a different thing. And guys are, you know, they got asked like, do you like to talk on days you pitch? And I just. No. And then they start to realize, like, it's just. That's just how I got to be.
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Tom Brady
It is.
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Doug Gottlieb
It's game day.
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Jack Flaherty
Yeah. It's different.
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Doug Gottlieb
Great meeting you.
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Jack Flaherty
I appreciate it.
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Doug Gottlieb
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Jack Flaherty
What's Poppin Justin Jefferson here? Football is a lot of explosions, a lot of energy and attitude. It's a whole different vibe with these open earbuds. It's like you're in the moment, but also you can hear everything around you. You can be involved. To have good sound and to be so light on your ear means a lot to me putting that music into my ears. You feel good enough to go out there and play. You turn on that switch, no one can stop you. For more, check out Bose.com Black Friday.
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Doug Gottlieb
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Jack Flaherty
Hey guys, this is Matt Jones. Drew Franklin from the Fade.
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Doug Gottlieb
This podcast, we got a great episode.
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Jack Flaherty
Coming up, picks in all the sports.
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D
Football, basketball, we do them all.
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Doug Gottlieb
But here's a preview of this week's episode.
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D
I'm the Cowboys.
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Doug Gottlieb
I mean they're already a circus. They need to fix their the sun.
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D
Coming in their window before they start worrying about.
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Doug Gottlieb
I like how Jerry was like, what.
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Jack Flaherty
Do you want me to do about sun?
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D
Sun's just up there.
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Doug Gottlieb
Like, I can do nothing about it.
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Jack Flaherty
It's just upper. It's just your son. What are you supposed to do?
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Doug Gottlieb
There's a moon too.
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D
Hey, sun's upper, you think ain't gonna be sun. And then they're like, well, why don't you, you know, put up a curtain?
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Jack Flaherty
What? Well, it's still the sun.
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Tom Brady
It's like, well, you're all pro.
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D
Receiver has his hands in the air.
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Jack Flaherty
With a ball coming at him because he can't see.
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Doug Gottlieb
Just admit you didn't do a great job designing that and this episode was brought to you in partnership with DraftKings. To hear more, listen and subscribe to Fade this on iheartradio or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T Mobile keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com Keep and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required. Card has no cash access and expires in six months. This is the Herd besto seven time Super bowl champ Tom Brady, 23 years, best quarterback to ever play the game. So I was thinking about this, Tom, as I'm watching Kansas City, I still feel like I said they're like, they're like an electric vehicle that's only charged about 50%. They're not. They're kind of trying to figure out what they are. Backup running back, they don't know what to do with Xavier worthy. They just kind of go back. Your Randy Moss team. Boom. You knew very early. It's special, but did you ever have a team that won a Super bowl but in the middle of a season you didn't quite know what the offensive identity was? Because that's what I watched when I watched the Chiefs.
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Tom Brady
I actually think they do have a great offensive identity. I think they look, the game's about winning. We talk about points. You talk about, you know, yards and you talk about penalties and defensive stops. To me, at the end of the game, do you have more points than the other team? That's the maturity of a great team. And A great organization. I played on a lot of teams. Some were a lot of offensive strengths, some had a lot of defensive strengths. Some years we were kind of middle of the packet, both. But we played well situationally. Third down, red area, two minute every year. That's the best part about the NFL is the constant transition, the constant change. Now you see they add DeAndre Hopkins at the trade deadline. So it's like in the end when you have Patrick Mahomes and it's a one score game, everyone's always betting on the Chiefs. Now can someone get away from the Chiefs? I don't know, because that defense plays so well. But I don't think Patrick Mahomes is a lesser player because he doesn't have 25 touchdowns at this point. It's just he's not playing with guys that can produce that from the receiver position. So that naturally Patrick's job is to. And I covered him a few weeks ago when I said the job of the quarterback is to manage all the variables of the game and the season, injuries, weather, the rhythm of the offense, and then ultimately go out there and make the plays that put you in a position to win. And that's what winners do. And certainly Patrick is that. And then he's got Andy Reed there, who's as great of a coach, you know, in NFL history. He's on the kind of the Mount Rushmore of coaches. So you have this consistency of this organization from owner, general manager, coach, quarterback, and then to me, a defensive coordinator in spags that the way that defense plays puts them in a position to win every single week. So it's obviously they can be beat. There's probably games where they could have been beat this year, but every game is decided by a few, a few plays. And the reality of the Chiefs team is they always find a way to make the plays when it matters.
- [26:23]
Doug Gottlieb
You know, I remember when Randy Moss played with you when you guys brought a new player in and you had talked at the time, you're like, Belichick. And you were like, he's just smart and he knows football. So obviously DeAndre Hopkins doesn't know the entire playbook yet. But I'm watching him and I'm like, especially that play in the back of the end zone. I'm like, God, you'd think they'd had 50 practices. What is it about certain receivers with you, like Moss or DeAndre Hopkins? They don't have to know the playbook. But yet I felt like had I just landed on the planet and watched it, I would have never guessed. He just showed up at the facility. What was it with Moss? What is it with a veteran receiver that a young receiver just couldn't do?
- [27:05]
Tom Brady
And that's a great question. So the reality is a great receiver, well, any receiver that's a veteran knows what a practice week looks like. They know how to run all the routes in the offense. Now, they may not know exactly where to line up because everyone has their variations of words and descriptive words they use to get people aligned, to get the protections organized and then to call routes. Some people use number systems, people use. Some people use words that people have to memorize. Some people use a one term word that tells everybody what to do. Kansas City does it kind of a myriad of different ways. And then once DeAndre can really comprehend that, he's going to say, oh, okay, that's what I used to call this. Outcut in Tennessee was like this, or in Houston was like this. But in case he's like this. But I still know how to run the route. So you have these veteran players that have the experience to run the routes, to know the offenses. It's not like, you know, when he played for Tennessee, the field was a different size. You know, it's the same rules, it's the same routes. It's ultimately just how you call him. So once he gets out there and he's confident in what he has, you know, he's going to look like DeAndre Hopkins always has, which is, you know, he's got good quickness, he's got great catch radius, he's got this ability in the, in situational place to make catches like that and certainly as a red area target. And I just think if you look at the Chiefs and their injuries at the receiver position, to add someone like DeAndre who has that veteran presence and no game's going to be too big for him. He's played a lot of big games, so that always gives the quarterback a lot of confidence. I remember playing with certain rookie receivers. Literally it was like the first day of OTAs and I'd call like, hey, run a slant. And he'd look at me like a slant. Okay. That's kind of the most generic route since we were running those in, in. In parking lots, you know, with your friends. And there was a few guys I played with that would they. They'd start the route slow, then they'd speed up into the break, then they'd slow down coming out of the break and then they look for the ball and I look at them and be like, what the hell was that? You know, like there's such a, there's such a learning curve that needs to happen from a rookie player. Whereas when you get someone like DeAndre, you go, hey, DeAndre, run a slant. And it looks like a slant. It looks great, it's fluid, it's smooth. You can plan it. So with a rookie, there's such a learning curve. There's so many things to learn that you're never going to get that type of production in a short period of time with a rookie that you can get with a veteran, unless that's just a very special rookie. And I've had some of those. Those guys, to me are more anomalies than kind of what the norm is.
- [29:49]
Doug Gottlieb
I know you probably haven't sat and watched too many Denver games or Bears games, but when with the young quarterbacks, obviously they grew up in a different environment than you. Seven on seven camps, way more snaps by the time they're 15 than you had. But go back to your career. I remember you doing an interview with Jay Glazer once and you're like, I've seen everything, dude. You could, you could throw anything at me. When was the time in your career? You're pretty a learned guy, you're very committed. How long did it take? You know, they always talk about things slow down a little. How long? Mahomes said it was year three. What was it for you?
- [30:29]
Tom Brady
The question, the answer is it progressively gets more and more and I would say maybe at year one it's 50% of the way that you want it and then year two it's 60% and ultimately you're trying to get to 100%. But even I think for Patrick, if I look at his situation and his development, he was very lucky to sit behind. And Patrick, let me get this out of the way, he is a phenomenal player to me is, you know, he, Lamar, Josh Allen, you're talking about the upper echelon, as we all know. And Patrick is going to go down as one of the greats ever for a number of reasons. But if I look at him, he went to college at Texas Tech, he had Cliff Kingsbury there with him for three years. An NFL caliber coach running a lot of NFL caliber type calls and methodologies behind what he's doing. So he had three years of that. Then he goes to the Chiefs and he's got Alex Smith as the guy that's ahead of him, who's a phenomenal player, great leader, does everything the right way and then he's got Andy Reid as his play caller. So it's like there's a reason why it all works and there's this development that happens and why Patrick has been able to ascend so quickly. And he would have found a way to ascend at some point anyway. I'm just saying I could never have reached this area of growth that I needed to. Whether that was year one or three or five, it was accelerated because all the things that I had in place when I was in college, I ran a pro style offense. Yeah, I got drafted. I had Bill Belichick teach me. I got to sit behind Drew Bledsoe. I worked really hard to learn all those things and embrace the challenge. And I think when you're a young quarterback, ultimately that's what you're trying to do. Be in a situation where you can learn, grow, develop. It's all about mentorship. It's all about the people that come in your life. I see Bo Nix from Denver. He's got Sean Payton there. He's a phenomenal coach. He's going to get great coaching. They're going to have great scheme. A lot of times the first reads for him are going to be open because he's got a great play caller that knows how to design things. So then you go on the other side of it. You know, I've seen a lot of quarterbacks that don't make it. Maybe they wouldn't have made it anyway, but I'm just saying there's a potential that they could have. Look at Sam Darnold now. He's playing really well in Minnesota. He's got a good. He's got a good coach, he's got a good scheme, he's got some good receivers. He's playing well. You know, when he was at the jets, he didn't have all those things quite in place. So we always have to look at, I think, the physical makeup of these young players. What are they capable of? Are they. Do they have good arms? Do they have great arms? You know, are they athletic? Can they get out of the pocket? Can they? And then to me, there's a mental element that always comes into quarterback play. And I said in this last game against Green Bay, was watching Green Bay Lions this last weekend, I said, there's no way for me to really see sustained success in the NFL at the quarterback position. If you don't have total control of what's being done out on the field. If you're expecting your coach to call a play from the sideline and that play is going to come into Your helmet, you're going to call it, you're going to walk to the line of scrimmage, and that play is going to be successful regardless of the defensive look. You're out of your mind. That's not the way it works. The defense calls plays to stop you, and they have their own tendency. So it's up to the quarterback ultimately to decide, okay, I got a play called I see what the defense is doing. Is this play going to work or not? If it's going to work, you run it. If it's not, what do I need to do to survive the down, or what do I need to do to put us in a position to be really successful? That, to me, is the operational control the quarterbacks need. And the problem is with the development of height of college programs now, they're not getting developed in the same way. Now they get to a pro program and a lot of the NFL programs, there's so much money going around. You know, the need to develop is guys can sign one or two contracts and not develop and still make a great living. So I would love to see the quarterback play continue to evolve and grow. It's only going to come from more time on task, more time with your coaches, more understanding of what your roles and responsibility are. You're supposed to develop a toolkit as a quarterback to deal with what you see on the game every single day. I seen Jared Goff again covering him this last game. It was awesome to watch in LA. He had a great system. He had McVay to learn under. He brought that. He comes to a phenomenal program in Detroit right now, where to me, they're doing a lot of things the right way. Their offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson says, all right, Jared, we're going to put more and more on your plate. We're going to give you a great opportunity to succeed. And you have to have the ability to process a lot of information, which is one of Jared's strengths, to actually implement all those things. And when you do it well, to me, that's what gets you to. That's what gives you a great chance to win every single week in the NFL.
- [35:27]
Doug Gottlieb
So Bill Belichick said a couple of weeks ago when asked about Detroit, he's like, they've got everything offensively, you hope they make a mistake. And you just called the game. And Green Bay's got a good team. It looked like older brother, younger brother, let me teach you how to play football. Go, go back. I mean, Detroit O line tackles, run game, tight end, quarterback. Go back to Your career. Because I felt like Green Bay very quickly was like, we're a little out of our element here. This is a really, really. So go back to your career. Was there ever a team you played? And you may not have said this to your teammates, but you thought to yourself, I'm not sure they have a weakness like that. That is Pro Bowlers everywhere. I watched Detroit's offense, Tom. I don't know what the weakness is. Deep ball, slants, slots. Did you ever face a team like that where you looked at the personnel and thought, it's almost a perfect offense?
- [36:26]
Tom Brady
I would say the only. I would say the early Colts offenses we faced, they had Saturday, they had Terry Glenn tied in. They had Pollard, they had, at times, Dallas Clark. They had Marvin, they had Reggie, they had Stokely.
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Jack Flaherty
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- [36:44]
Tom Brady
They had Edrin. They were so good. And I'm lucky I didn't have to go against them. I mean, to me, it was great. Belichick would say, guys, listen, this would be a Wednesday meeting. Understand this. They are going to move the ball on us. They're too good. They got so many guys. They're going to go up and down. We need to play good red area defense, and we're going to work on red area defense on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, because that's going to decide the game. They're going to get the ball down there, which is a great humility from a coach who's a defensive coach, who's essentially the coordinator, to say, these guys are so good. We're not going to just, you know, pull the wool over eyes and thinks that we're going to keep these guys at 240 yards. Offense, they're going to have. They're going to have yards. What we need to do is keep the points down. If we can keep the points down. And offensively, we can control the game, we can run the ball and then we can score points. We're going to give ourselves a best chance to win. That, to me, is complimentary football, right? So when you play the Lions, the only way to beat them is to play a style where the offense complements the defense and then the kicking game does their job. Sometimes when you punt, you play great field position. Okay. Offensively, the best defense against the Lions offense to me is the meet is possess the football. You don't want to make it a track meet against a team that can run it. They throw it to their tight end, they throw it to their receivers. When they get Jamison Williams back, they have the explosive receiver. So there's so Many. And they go for it on fourth down so often. They, you know, you got to stop them for four downs, not just three, which is a really hard thing to do. So there's a lot of challenges that the Lions are presenting. And look, the one game they did lose this year, they were one of six in the red area.
- [38:34]
Doug Gottlieb
That's right.
- [38:35]
Tom Brady
Against the Bucks.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yep.
- [38:36]
Tom Brady
So. So to me, they got a. They got a great offense and they got a lot of humility. They got a great culture. To me, they're doing so many things the right way in the NFL right now.
- [38:46]
Doug Gottlieb
So you're calling the San Francisco game this weekend when you know. And I think Brock's a good player, but I also think. And you're a great example of this. Executives miss all the time on players. Antonio Gates and Tony Romo weren't drafted. There's players all over. I watched the kid for the Rams this weekend. Some undrafted safety, had his fourth pick. There's talent everywhere. What was the thing when. The first. The first time you saw Brock Purdy, obviously you weren't wowed by his size. His arm strength is good enough. What was the first thing that you saw? I wouldn't see this. You would see this. And you thought, that guy's pretty good. Like, is there something that you see because you played the position, a tell, like in poker, that you were like, yeah, that this kid's gonna work.
- [39:33]
Tom Brady
Sure. So I think it's poise and composure. It's calm under chaos. That's what the quarterback needs to do. And he walks into that huddle, he needs 10 other guys looking at him go, all right, man, you're. You're totally under control. And whatever you say, we're going to do to our best books because we know you're going to deliver. And they all have that confidence in Brock as a player. And you're right. Brock's not the biggest. His arm strength isn't like Aaron Rodgers, but if he can play with anticipation. And this offense, to me, even studying the last few days is a lot different than the one that they had last year and the year before. They had so many weapons the last couple years. You know, Brock essentially was a point guard out there, just delivering balls to halfbacks and flip it out there to Debo and gain yards. And then he's got iu, you know, catching in cuts and running for a lot of, oh, you forgot about Kittle. Boom. We're going to throw over the top of you there. This offense has been in and out of a lot of their Great players. And I think getting McCaffrey back is so important for this offense because he provides that passing threat out of the backfield that they just haven't had this year. So now the defense has to come up closer to the line of scrimmage to defend the run with Christian as well as the pass. And that to me opens up more the intermediate and deeper parts of the field for Brock where they've kind of been throwing more of these intermediate type targets on the field, which I don't think is necessarily the strength of that offense. So if they can get back, if they can get Christian back playing well with Mason and McCaffrey. Wow, that's a great group. Then at receiver, obviously losing Aiuk is a brutal loss, but they drafted Piersol in the first round. He's going to get his legs underneath him. You still got Jennings, who to me is one of the most underrated receivers in the NFL, performed so well in the Super Bowl. They have a ton of confidence in him. And then Debo, his versatility. You still got Juszczyk, who's a ridiculous chess piece for Kyle, and then you have Kittle, who can turn up from time to time and go, holy cow, we almost forgot about him. And then, not to mention a phenomenal offensive line. So they still have all the pieces in place now. They've kind of always seemed to turn around their season around the bye week. This is when they need to do it. They just had their bye week. We'll see. You know, if they get Greenlaw back on defense, that would be a huge boost. Unfortunately, what they really miss on defense, they lost Hargrave, they lost this interior rusher. So now it's really kind of a one man show with Bosa on the perimeter. But if they can get Greenlaw back and get him playing close to the way that he was playing in there with Warner, you have one of the best tandems in the league, if not the best at linebacker. They rush the quarterback a little better. And then that safe, that secondary unit, which has always got a lot of tight coverage. They can capitalize on offensive mistakes. So I would never count out the 49ers. I think they're so well coached. They got a great system in place, a great culture of guys that know how to win. You know, those are all the things you look for with the Niners seven rings.
- [42:39]
Doug Gottlieb
Tom Brady, Fox Sports taking time for us today. Tom, I appreciate it, man. Thank you.
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Tom Brady
Thanks, Colin. Great talking to you, partner.
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Doug Gottlieb
All right.
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Tom Brady
I'm here for you anytime.
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Doug Gottlieb
You know that all right, thanks Tom. Appreciate that. This is the herd. Best of.
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- [46:52]
D
Yeah. So with the players, I've got a players committee calling. So they, they let me know where they're at and how they're feeling and I try to check with them. And it's important that in today's world we talk about recovery and keeping guys fresh and all of that. So I keep my ears open and I'm always listening and asking questions and they're, they're willing to share, which is a good thing.
- [47:14]
Doug Gottlieb
So I had defended Travis Kelce in the first couple of weeks. I said, my guess is Andy's trying to establish Rasheed Rice as a number one target. He's trying to get Xavier Worthy worked in this isn't Travis issue. It's let's get the young receivers up to speed. So let's start with Worthy, who is a remarkably fast kid. Not a lot of guys run like him. I don't see him as a volume guy, but I think he's really important. Do you see him as a guy that could be 12 targets, nine catches? How do you see him?
- [47:44]
D
Yeah, I think you'd love him, Colin. I know Sark told me it was his favorite guy, which I probably shouldn't say, but he really liked the kid and he's a California kid too. Colin. So I'm partial to him a little bit, but he's very smart and he's got great football instincts and let's play a lot like DeSean Jackson and his football knowledge and his ability. So I'm not sure I want to take him through the middle of the defense every play, but I know he's. He can endure some hits and he can, he knows how to avoid hits, which is. Which is a plus at his size.
- [48:19]
Doug Gottlieb
You know, Gronk had this and Travis Kelsey does and maybe an old Antonio Gates. They just have an ability to get open on big plays. Is it? And they're willing blockers, which always helps. Travis doesn't run. No, no tight end runs in year 10 on like they ran their second year in the league. You ask him to block, it's a. Gronk got slow. He was valuable. If I said to you give me the assets of Travis Kelce, all things considered, hand speed, knowledge, what to you makes him special and different than other.
- [48:53]
D
Tight ends historically phenomenal instincts and ability to play in space, I would tell you a second. Second. And none of the guys that I've been around since I've been in the league and watching this thing, so he just has a knack, he's quarterback friendly, which you can appreciate. People don't know that you were a quarterback, but I'm telling them that. And so you know that, you know that that guy, he's closest to you and he becomes very valuable. And so. And then he's. He's got a, you know, he's one of those football savant guys, player savants. He, he knows, knows exactly what. What's going on. He knows all the positions and he, he does a great job with all that.
- [49:35]
Doug Gottlieb
One of the reasons teams don't win three in a row and it's harder now than ever because it's a much more mobile league. Guys get richer, they have endorsements, they get distracted. So during the off season, you're sitting there looking at your trophies and thinking, how do I avoid apathy? And how do you. Is it something you brought into camp? Is it a talking point? Andy, nobody's done this. And Shula's had great teams and Belichick and Bill Walsh, they had the personnel to win three straight and the league wasn't even as mobile as it is now. You've had injuries. How do you attack that? Or do you.
- [50:13]
D
Yeah. No apathy for the trophies. I have apathy for Tommy Burgers, not the trophy. But I just try to. I step Back. And I understand, Colin, what it. What it takes to play in this league. It's. It's not easy. And so training camp is going to remain the same. You better get yourself. You can do whatever you want in the off season, but you better be prepared. And the guys know that and the veteran players know it, and, and so they come back in good shape. They work their tails off in the off season. They. And then once they. Once the season comes around, they're ready to go. And we don't talk about the trophies. We don't look at the trophies and do all of that stuff. We understand that the competition level is so high in this league and the parity is so close that we've got to make sure we stay on our A game every day. And that's the way we go about it.
- [51:08]
Doug Gottlieb
Spags, do you ever override him on anything or does he run the show defensively? I mean, do you ever have to go, hey, can we discuss this? Can we talk about that? I know you have so much respect for him. Where's the line on that?
- [51:21]
D
Yeah, I'm lucky to have these coordinators at all three spots. And Spags does a great job. I let him roll with what he does, and nobody does it better. I mean, he's a great teacher most of all, and, and has a tremendous mind for. For the game. So very fortunate that way, as I am on the offensive side with Nags and then with Tobe. So they're. They're all. They all do their thing and. And I just kind of jump in when I need to jump in and have some fun with it.
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Doug Gottlieb
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D
Yeah, thank you, Colin. You're the best, man.
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