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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports. RA really interested to talk to Greg Olson today. We don't get to do it often, so I just wrap my arms around it when I can. And there's some things I really, really want to jump into today. So let's Bring him on first. Greg Olson live, Fox Sports 14 years, three time Pro Bowler, great teammate here at Fox. So let's I want to start I'm going to get to eventually. You had the Eagles three times this year. I'm going to get to that. And you also had Chiefs, Eagles, Super Bowl. I'm going to get to that. I want to start with the coaching hires. So I'm a big believer in every team needs something different. I thought Pete Carroll to the Raiders is a great hire. You played with him in Seattle for a couple years for Raider fans. What will Pete provide? Because you always felt really, you really liked Pete, if I recall. Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
So I think the thing when it comes to Pete and again, I had him just for one season in Seattle, I think there's some and I told everyone when I came home, I'm like, there's a lot of things. If ever one day there was a magic wand, you said, okay, you're in charge of a team and you've got to run team meeting and you've got to handle situational play calling during the week in preparation and how to model week to week practice schedules and communication and vision, all of that. Pete is a plus. He is as organized and as diligent and as good as anybody I ever been around in all of those things. I think the question that comes with a guy like Pete, you're going to get the leadership and the experience. All that is a given. I think the question you get with a hire like Pete is no different than any other defensive coach. And you touched on it. I was listening to your last segment before the break and it's no different than with Aaron Glenn or whoever, the defensive coaches. The number one question is how. Who is your offensive coordinator and how do you figure out the quarterback position? You could be the greatest leader, you could be the greatest galvanizer and run the best locker room and run the best. If your offense isn't good, defensive coaches get fired. So it's kind of funny. You look at, you know, you look at Zach Taylor in Cincinnati, or you look at offensive coaches. When their offense is really good and their defense struggles, the defensive coordinator gets replaced. When defensive coaches, Robert Sala, for example, when he got fired, they were a top five defense in the league. It was the offense that was struggling. Aaron Rodgers wasn't playing up to expectations. The offense was underachieving, and they fired the defensive guy. So, like, it's just, it's the quandary that these defensive coaches find themselves in, and I don't think it's their fault. Everybody wants a good offense. Whether you're winning and losing, everybody wants a good offense. Offensive coaches, when they're the head coach, it takes a long time for them to get fired. They probably only get fired if they don't have a good. They don't have a good offense or obviously a star quarterback. And you look at McDermott, you look at some of the really long time really good defensive coaches, they're able to weather the storm of the ups and downs of being on the defensive side because they have hall of Fame quarterback. So if he can bring in a young Russ, you know, Russell Wilson, and he can figure it out as quickly as he did in Seattle, he's a home run.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You had told me you were devastated when you were drafted by Chicago and traded, because you and I both share this. We love Chicago as a city. It's big. The architecture, the people, the passion, the food. One of. It's one of North America's great hubs. So for Ben Johnson, you know, he'd go there for a couple days with the Lions playing in Chicago, explain what it's like, the bigness, the volume, the intensity. What's Ben gonna face?
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Matt Cassel
Yeah, I mean, my first four years in Chicago, it's a special place. And I remember when I got drafted there, I was coming out of Miami, which again, for anyone that's been to Miami, it's a city. It's not really like a college football town. It has a lot of other perks and a lot of other fun aspects in the tradition of the program, but it's not Tuscaloosa, Alabama. It's not Athens, Georgia. Right. It's not, it's not one of those like towns. Then you go to Chicago and it's this big metropolitan, big city. But on game day during the fall, it feels like a small college town. It feels like you are. Everyone there is living, breathing, dying with the Bears. And it's just a really fun, passionate fan base. And you know, to add a guy like Ben Johnson, who seems to have been kind of the belle of the ball over the last three hiring cycles, he's been very calculated on the interviews that he's taken on the jobs that he's turned down. And he was waiting for the right mix. I mean you could, I thought watching his press conference, you could see it on his face. That's a roster that has some built in wins. I always kind of judge a job like as far as would you take that job saying like by just getting organized and just kind of getting everything set up, how many wins are built into that roster? And I think at some teams the roster is kind of maxed out under the previous coach and you've got a lot of building to do. And then I think at other teams like Chicago, I think there's wins baked into that roster with Ben Johnson and his ability to develop, Caleb Williams and his ability to handle those end of game situations that Chicago let them kind of get away. And that's the difference between winning three or four more games. So it's a fun fan group. They've been, they've been looking for a star quarterback and stability at head coach. You know, the last stability they had was Lovey, you know, and they let him go through a 10 win season. So they're hoping that this is the head coach quarterback combination for a long time.
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Colin Cowherd
So you called three different Eagle games. So you saw this offense improve and mature. I said, I said the other day, I said, there are drives when I watch Philadelphia and I think, how do they ever punt? I mean literally it's like nine Pro bowl players. How do they ever punt? What did you see? Show me the growth that you saw in the three games. What were they different? Was it the same thing?
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Matt Cassel
I said, so we called that crazy game against Washington where, you know, Hertz went out in the first quarter, Saquon got off to the crazy start. He had like 100 yards in the first quarter. Then Jalen Hurts got hurt, he went down, they went to the backup and it kind of spiraled on him and, and you know, Jaden Daniels came back and took him down to, to win that unbelievable Game. And I remember we came on to the broadcast and I was very clear. I was like, make no mistake about it, this is the best roster in football. This is the best team in football. And we can spend all this time talking about the offensive skill positions and of course, the offensive line. And I know, I know Hertz comes under fire. Here's what I will say about Hertz when he plays on time from the pocket. And it's kind of an interesting conversation because you look at him and you think back to his time in college and you look at him in the physicality and he's an athlete and he can run. And usually going into games against quarterbacks like him, you say, hey, keep him in the pocket. Make them, you know, don't let him scramble. I think Jalen's actually better when he plays on time and he plays from the pocket. He can beat you as a scramble runner. But I think it's really the scramble passing that he doesn't necessarily do like some of the other quote unquote, scramble quarterbacks. But you look at the offensive line and the group they have, they have the best two offensive tackles in the league. They're getting all of their eligibles out into the format, out of the formation, every single play. Because on most teams you're chipping edges, your running back is, is helping out on a backside tackle. But with, with my Lotta and Lane Johnson, you're blocking 5 on 5 pretty much every play. And all of a sudden you've got Saquon and Kenneth Gainwell into the checkdown. And if you don't back up, I got A.J. brown and Devonte Smith putting a ton of pressure, deep layers into my secondary. And then the magic of it all was adding Saquon. And I think there's this conversation of, oh my God, I can't believe this would have been the Giants if it was Saquon. And it would not have. It's just the combination of Saquon's unique ability and the scheme and the system he went into was the perfect marriage. So you factor all of the offense on top of a Vic Fangio defense that went from pretty much last to first in the league in defense. And you and I agree, if this was a best of five series, I'm not sure if you're beating any team in the league, is beating Philly best of five. But as we know, it's a one game series week after week, and in critical moments, there's nobody better than Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City when they need to have a stop need to have a third or fourth down conversion. They have the best play call at the right moment at all times and that's really been the key to their success.
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Colin Cowherd
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I, I texted you and you text me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.
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Matt Cassel
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it, it's like, do I.
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Colin Cowherd
Send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
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Matt Cassel
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
So when these two met a couple years ago, you were doing the game in the Super Bowl. What do you remember? What are one or two things that stuck out to you? Maybe personnel or scheme wise?
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Matt Cassel
I mean, I remember going into the game and we're trying to map out, okay, you know, we have Philadelphia. And this was really at the onset of the quarterback sneak and the tush push and how they use third and fourth down to their advantage and they wanted to get a lead and they put so much pressure on you early in games by going forward on fourth down. And we talked a lot about how third down, they would actually just treat us second because they knew they always in their back pocket had Another yard and a half to two yards with the quarterback sneak. And it turned into just like an offensive slug fest. I mean, Both teams scored 35 plus, and Jalen Hurts probably played the best game of the season. And he was the, you know, runner up MVP to Mahomes that year, which is saying a lot. He had the one fumble that they scooped and scored. Outside of that, he was incredible. He had the deep touchdown to A.J. brown. They were efficient. They didn't run the ball real well. Jalen Hurts was. He was their leading rusher that game. They didn't get a lot out of Miles Sanders.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
And the rest. So I think that's obviously going to be a little bit different. But listen, it's pretty remarkable that, you know, it seems like over the last couple years it's been Kansas City and then a rematch and they got San Francisco again last year and pulled it off at the end. And, you know, we'll see now they get another, you know, Philadelphia gets another crack at them here in two weeks.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally. Yesterday I said there's a lot about Steve Spagnola and Andy are so good and they've been so good for so long. And it does help when you have Mahomes. It's easy to be a great poker player when you always have the best cards. Right. That helps. And I think The Chiefs front seven defensively and McDuffie on the corner, I think it's really underrated. I think Chris Jones, a Hall of Famer, but the tush push bothered me because I felt very early in the game. The reason it works in Philly is that jalen hurts is 511 squats, 600 pounds. He literally disappears into a wall of green. They practice it, they're all in. It is the standard of the tush push. And then Buffalo telegraphs, it always goes left. He's 6, 7. He jumps up with a ball in the air and I'm like, guys, he's a pinata. Justin Herbert tried that once and quit doing it. I. And I don't like. I don't like questioning coaches. It drove me nuts. The constant, hey. I mean, McDermott said, we kind of let Josh just, you know, go make a play. I don't think you beat Andy Reid that way, but now you played in that. He had success in the regular season doing that. Am I being overly critical on that tush push? And you would, if you have Josh, use him.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah. I mean, I understand in certain situations that play is your highest percentage ability to convert on third or fourth and short, whatever the down and distance is, especially when you have such a physical body at the quarterback position. And I remember for years with Cam we ran a lot of quarterback sneaks. Now we didn't get everybody up there behind them to push because how we used to do it with Cam, again different than how Philly has really kind of revolutionized that no one does it as good as them. But when we used to do it, we used to have a design play. So we would call a play in the huddle that was, you know, you know, a two back power quarterback, whatever, a pass play, run play, whatever the play was. And then we would alert into the quarterback sneak. So what that allowed us to do was if you didn't cover up all the interior gaps and play your linebackers in a walked up position and really sell out in the 2A gaps between the guard and the center, we would then just alert one word and make the call, set, hut. And everyone would turn it into quarterback sneak. And then if you want it to be everyone up on the middle, everyone's head over the ball, we had another play. The back was at normal distance. The wide receivers or whatever the formation were were at normal splits and alignments. So we didn't have to run it into every look. And I think what's happened is these other, these teams around the league have seen Philadelphia be able to say it doesn't matter if you bring in 50 players, you can line up the entire team in the A gaps and they're going to get it at 98% clip. It's just not the case for everybody else. So as Kansas City continue to sell out, as they continue to squeeze down their edges and put so many bodies in the box with, with the approach that Josh has, which is take it kind of back up and run almost off tackle, sweep to the left, the timing is just a little different, the bodies are a little bit different. And you know, they got it a couple times and of course they didn't get it on the big one. So I think people really don't realize just how hard it is to do what Philadelphia does and the amount of pressure it puts on defenses when you get the ball. And it's like first and eight in your mind because you know, if you get the fourth down, I got a yard or two as a gimme what that does for a play caller. I don't know if we spend enough time talking about how much, how important that is for the philosophy in which how Philadelphia and teams like that play.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you're good at what you do. Three Pro Bowls, 14 seasons in the NFL. Next time you get invited to a big wedding though, you could invite me. You could have given me a text or something. I would have loved to have joined you this summer.
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Matt Cassel
That's on McCaffrey. That.
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Colin Cowherd
It kind of is on Christian. Good seeing you, buddy.
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Matt Cassel
I appreciate it. Thanks, man.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. The great Greg Olson. Boy, that Buffalo Kansas City game, I haven't watched it again. I usually midweek, NFL Network will have a game on about Wednesday. I'm sitting around, you know me, teetotaler, going to bed at like 7:45. What are you rolling your eyes at? And I'll watch games for a second time. My wife will be like, that game was just on Sunday. And I'm like, yeah. Now I got clarity. You ever done that with a movie? The movie was so good, you went the next day to watch it because you got so uptight recently.
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Greg Olson
Dune. Dune 2. Did you see that, by the way?
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Colin Cowherd
It's supposed to be great.
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Greg Olson
Amazing. And it was on cable again the next day. I was like, I'm gonna watch this again. It was that good. But I would not watch Chiefs Bills again now. Not with some of those calls in the second half. That's a joke. Chiefs fans, stand down. It's okay.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mack with the news.
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Greg Olson
No, no.
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Matt Cassel
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herdline news.
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Greg Olson
Cowboys. Brian Schottenheimer, the Cowboys new head coach, is starting to build a staff. He has hired. Drum roll please. Matt Eber FL as his defensive coordinator.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't mind that. That's not bad.
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Matt Cassel
It's not terrible.
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Colin Cowherd
He's good. Dc I think he's good. Dc. I think he's really good. Dc. We'll see.
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Greg Olson
Will he be better than Zimmer? I don't know. Yesterday when the Cowboys new head coach was introduced, he had some pretty big checks he think his quarterback will be able to cash.
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Matt Cassel
My vision for him is he's one of the best. And through the coaching that he's going.
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Colin Cowherd
To get through the.
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Matt Cassel
Hours and hours and hours of time that he and I will spend together, he's going to play elite level football and he's going to lead us to championships.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, well, I like Eberfluss. We'll see. You know, Jerry saved a lot of money on this hire.
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Greg Olson
No great billionaire saving money.
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Colin Cowherd
Love that. How about build a great staff? Eberflus is not cheap. Go buy a great staff. Who is that? Bobby Slowik. Go get him as your Oculus. Listen, I. I've said this. I'm not. I think Brian Scheideleber is a nice guy, but Bobby Slowik just got let go in Houston. Spend the money on the staff. I mean the Raiders are paying now. Four head coaches and three general managers. You got money in Dallas.
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Greg Olson
My counter to that is if you're slowic and you look around the landscape and yesterday you and I said this like Schottenheimer could be gone in a year or two. Right?
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Greg Olson
Why would you want to attach yourself to that team when you're just going to be looking for work again in the, in the near future?
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Colin Cowherd
It.
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Greg Olson
Wouldn't it be smarter to pick good job where you think you'll be hanging out like Pete Carroll. Not going to get run off by the Raiders anytime soon. Right. He's a professional coach. The Raiders are cycling through guys. I think that's a more stable job than this Dallas situation.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I, I wouldn't say stable. And, and Raiders always. I, I think Pete's there for the long term. But my take is if I don't look like. I think what, what Ben Johnson is doing in Chicago with the Bears is really smart. He goes and gets. He's going to be a mentor for a 28 year old whiz kid. You know he's not going to be leaving him anytime. Nobody's going to hire a 29, 30 year old coach. Right. And then he's going and getting a defensive coordinator Dennis Allen who's not going to get another head coaching job. And Chicago is a fun city to play in. So Dennis to coach in. So, so, so Ben Johnson has done the best job to me of hiring a staff. I want to watch Pete. I think Vrabel did a good job. But a lot of this is. Do you get. If you're, if you are an offensive coach, you don't worry about OC you got to get the DC right and I think so Chicago. I think Dennis Allen's a very good DC hire and I think Schottenheimer, I think Eberfluss is an excellent defensive hire.
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Greg Olson
It's interesting the way you contrast Chicago and Dallas. I just thought like if you were making a list of the most interesting teams to you for this coming season. Interesting in the nfc. I don't care about ratings or any of that. Just interest to you. Are the Dallas Cowboys in the NFC even top 10.
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Colin Cowherd
Top of my head. I don't know. I would say most interesting teams. Minnesota, if they move off Darnold with JJ McCarthy I want to see him play.
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Greg Olson
That's Washington's interesting. They're 100,000% Chicago, obviously. Ben Johnson.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Chicago is probably number one with Ben and Caleb.
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Matt Cassel
Yep.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Minnesota with J.J. mcCarthy, who was so good in the preseason's really interesting to me.
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Greg Olson
I mean, the Brock Purdy stuff, like, I just. You go down the list and I'm thinking, like, Dallas is just. I don't.
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Colin Cowherd
I would make this argument. And I, And I. We've been saying this for years. The Kansas City Chiefs are America's team. They are America's team. They have a superstar quarterback that's likable. They're the best team. Taylor Swift is connected. They're in the middle of the country. They've always had a good brand. I mean, Kansas City's been good a lot of times. I think they're. I, I have not asked Fox because we have NFC over afc. Yeah, I, I believe America's team is it. I mean, like Pittsburgh, Steelers, they're. I'm sorry. Like the days of people really caring about Baltimore, to me is much better watch than Pittsburgh.
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Greg Olson
Okay, so you say America's team, but if you removed Pennsylvania and Kansas City, you removed where these teams are, I.
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Colin Cowherd
Think it's going to get a good rating nationwide.
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Greg Olson
Who do you think people are rooting for, Chief?
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Colin Cowherd
Philadelphia.
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Greg Olson
So how can they be America? How can you see?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, Yankees are the most popular baseball team. Half the country roots against them. All right, The Warriors. The warriors felt like for about eight years, they were the face of the league, not the Lakers or Celtics. So I think, I think part of being America's team is your.
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Greg Olson
You have to be good.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, nobody's going to. I mean, San Antonio spurs were great. They were. They were barely Texas's team. They weren't that interesting. So I think Kansas City is America's team. I would say Green Bay is second. And I think, And I'll tell you this, I. I think people out east don't understand this. I would say the Niners are third. If you go to an NFL game where the Niners anywhere west of the Mississippi are playing, the stadium is like 35 Niner fans.
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Greg Olson
Green Bay is a bit of a reach.
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Colin Cowherd
You think so?
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Greg Olson
Jordan Love walked into a Starbucks in your town. Does anybody know who he is?
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Colin Cowherd
I'd buy him a latte and say, young man, I've got your back.
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Greg Olson
Stop throwing interceptions.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, next story.
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Greg Olson
It's interesting you mentioned Bobby Slowik potentially for the Cowboys, because a crazy story just popped up. Reportedly CJ Stroud and his former offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik got into an altercation.
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Colin Cowherd
What?
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Greg Olson
During the pre draft Process according to Lance Zer line here he is telling the story.
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Colin Cowherd
Bobby Slowik is trying to tell him some stuff and CJ just says oh yeah, I know that we call this whatever it be at Ohio State. Maybe it happened a couple times and Bobby just kind of jumped him. Said I don't give a what you call it. Oja State. Bobby kind of got in his face about it. You know, CJ's not one to back down at all. CJ jumped up and got back in his face and it was very contentious. It had to be kind of broken up. When CJ went to his next draft meeting. I talked to the team where CJ went. They said hey, we asked CJ how his last visit went, which was Houston. He said terrible. CJ's whole crew did not want him to go to Houston. Wow, that is interesting. CJ's whole crew didn't want him to go there. So Bobby, he didn't get along with CJ Stroud.
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Greg Olson
That's before he was even on the Texas. That's ugly. Slow it. It's going to be tough. I mean assuming this is Lancer line's credible. Assuming this checks out. That's not a good.
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Colin Cowherd
Lance later said in the interview they squashed it last year during his his rookie season. But it is an interesting behind the scenes.
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Greg Olson
You and I have had some words. You know, we're going toe to toe but we squash it.
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Colin Cowherd
Like we never show hands or whatever they say that was sus or mad. We're lying.
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Greg Olson
Of course we're joking. Stroud and Slowik throwing hands apparently buried the hatchet and they worked through their problems. But wow, that, that's a bit of a surprise.
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Colin Cowherd
Well slow it got run out of town so you knew something was up. I mean if you don't get along with somebody and have a run in, even if you don't throw hands and then you, you, you squash it, you get along. That stuff never leaves. Guys are.
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Greg Olson
I think it's still back there.
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Colin Cowherd
It's still in the compartmentalized it but it's back there.
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Greg Olson
All right, final story. Colin is one team still does not have a head coach. That's the New Orleans Saints. Weird reps for the Saints. Philly to interview Kellen Moore for the second time. Mike McCarthy was a front runner, but it seems like maybe he's out of the running. What is happening in New Orleans? Holy cow. Kellen Moore. I thought he had a good game against the.
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Colin Cowherd
I think it's, I think he's like hand the ball off, you know what, you know what's happening now? This is what's happening and I'm talking to a GM last night, is that the reality is even the Raiders, who are not a big revenue team, they're paying currently three GMs and four coaches because they've had some new people coming into ownership spots. So the reality is these, these owners now, they'll, it doesn't matter. They're going to roll the dice on somebody young and hot and if that person doesn't work in two years, they just, they write them a $42 million check and move on and get a new staff.
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Greg Olson
You move down the list of Eagles responsible for them being in the Super Bowl. And I don't even know if Kellen Moore is sniffs the top of it right. It's like Jalen Carter.
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Colin Cowherd
Jalen hurts.
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Greg Olson
Saquon Barkley obviously would be number one. But like Kellen Moore, I don't particularly see it, but maybe other people do.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think it would be a C hire.
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Greg Olson
It'd be a C. So like an Aaron Glenn hire.
- [30:39]
Colin Cowherd
It's a C. It's fine. A good coordinator. I'm not sure he's a head coach. I'm not sure. Throwing hands. What did I call it?
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Greg Olson
Throwing fists.
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Colin Cowherd
I called it showing. I mean, like you don't go to a fight and go, here are my hands. You don't show them.
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Greg Olson
Look at Cowherd throwing some punches there. You against Jake Paul next, huh?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. How about that? Jake, Jake Paul. J. Mac with the news.
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Matt Cassel
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
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Colin Cowherd
The Herd lie News. Greg Olson. Good stuff today. Nick Wright, Kyle Van Noy, been a stack show live in la. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, Steve Covino.
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F
And I'm Rich Davis and together we're.
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Colin Cowherd
Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
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F
You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?
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F
We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world.
- [31:42]
Colin Cowherd
We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss.
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F
And the fact that we've been friends.
- [31:51]
Colin Cowherd
For the last 20 years and still.
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F
Work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out.
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Colin Cowherd
We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up as they say.
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F
I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
Maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.
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F
And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Colin Cowherd
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored, they changed it and the, the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.
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Matt Cassel
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it. It was like, do I send the heart now?
- [33:46]
Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
- [33:48]
Matt Cassel
It's extremely pink.
- [33:49]
Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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G
Hey everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch and I'm exhausted, but turns out the end is near. Right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next question. This podcast is for people like me who need a little perspective and insight. I'm bringing in some foks, friends of Katie's to help me out like Ezra Klein, Van Jones, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun, even though these days fun and politics seems like an oxymoron. But we'll do that thanks to some of my friends like Samantha bee, Roy Wood Jr. And Charlemagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Power to the podcast for the people. So whether you're obsessed with the news or just trying to figure out what's going on, this season of Next Question is for you. Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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F
What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennik from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything, we break it down. Stats, analytics. And of course, Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world as well. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run on fox.
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Greg Olson
Primetime hoops. Two of the biggies best tip off as the two time defending national champ Yukon Huskies take on 9th ranked Marquette Saturday at 7:30 Eastern on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
Did you see Arizona beat Iowa State last night?
- [36:06]
Greg Olson
I saw the highlights. I did not watch the game.
- [36:08]
Colin Cowherd
Iowa State's supposed to be really good. Good.
- [36:10]
Greg Olson
They are good.
- [36:11]
Colin Cowherd
Kind of boring uniforms, but Arizona, you.
- [36:13]
Greg Olson
Know, I love how you're getting into college hoops now.
- [36:16]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I do that every late January. I start watching it.
- [36:19]
Greg Olson
Should we look at some games on the card tonight or will you bet college basketball? I haven't. You know, three, two and three on Saturday. So I was a little ticked off.
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Colin Cowherd
What if I paid you to give me picks? Is that's.
- [36:33]
Greg Olson
I don't think we should talk about this on air.
- [36:37]
Colin Cowherd
That's how good you are.
- [36:38]
Greg Olson
It's not a bad idea.
- [36:41]
Colin Cowherd
You're so good on your college basketball picks. It's kind of daunting. I'm kind of intimidated. This guy's breaking down. Duquesne, Xavier Tonight, the over.
- [36:51]
Greg Olson
I was not. I'm not giving that out, by the way.
- [36:53]
Colin Cowherd
It is it. So Nick and I were talking about this. It's interesting. When you watched Michael. What's funny, I. I can remember being on a couch watching Michael Jordan play against Barkley in the finals. And I remember saying this to somebody I was with. I was like, he's the best player on the floor. And it was a great finals with a bunch of players like I was in Vegas. A bunch of great players. I think it was Kevin Johnson, Barkley, Pippen, Jordan. I mean, all sorts of great players. I'm like. And Barkley was very good in that series. Dan Marley, I'm like, It's almost like he's just effortless, effortlessly the best player in the game. And I feel that with, like, when you watch Ohtani with the Dodgers, you're like, I mean, Mookie Betts is great. Freddie Freeman's amazing. Ohtani didn't even pitch this year. He's an ace as a pitcher. And when you watch Mahomes, you know Michael Jordan, even though Bill Russell had 11 titles, you watch Jordan and you're like, yeah, this is the best basketball player I'd ever seen. Magic was good. Kareem was amazing. But, you know, it's. I never. That's why I've said Dan Marino was amazing. He got to one Super Bowl. I'm not. Titles don't mean everything. Now, obviously, we stack players based on. On. On rings. And Brady's the greatest quarterback for a lot of reasons. He had the right size. He had a better than average arm. He was super smart. He was highly competitive. He was wildly accurate. He was super clutch. I mean, there's a million reasons why he's great. But Mahomes, I was asking Nick Wright because Mahomes, the biggest fan he has outside of his family is Nick Wright. And there are, though, when you watch Patrick play, compared to Peyton and you know, Brady and all the great ones, you're just like, man, he's doing stuff I've never seen. So I asked Nick, the ultimate Mahomes fan, he never going to stack the trophies. Probably that Tom's done. But how do you consider the debate if he wins three in a row?
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Matt Cassel
The guy has been the best player in the league since the first game he played, and we've never seen that before. He's never had a down year. He's never had a down season. So here's what I would say.
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Colin Cowherd
I think he's the best player ever.
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Matt Cassel
I think Tom is the Greatest of all time. I look at those two different things. If Patrick were to pull off a three peat, I not only do I no longer think he has to get to 8, I don't think he has to get to 7 for it to be a consensus opinion.
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Colin Cowherd
I think if Patrick pulls off a.
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Matt Cassel
Three peat and gets six rings and it's. Then it's like, okay, he's just the greatest we've ever seen.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think one of the things as we'll show Mahomes highlights is one of the things that I think is really noticeable and it feels very MJ to me, is that he literally elevates. He goes to another level in these big games. Like, he's, he's always good, but he had 11 rushes in that game. That is so Michael Jordan. Jordan was one player on a Tuesday night against the Raptors. He was another against Charles Barkley in the finals. He was just more intense. And it's not that he was bored, but the human body. You're not going to get the same human being in every game. Now. The NFL is going to expand to 18 games. So, I mean, you're not going to get the same Mahomes in every game. He's going to be dinged up. He's not going to have his right tackle or a starting running back. But I'm watching him in that game from the very first series on. You're like, oh, he shifted gears. And Andy Reid similarly. I'm going to show you the entire playbook. I said this the other night or the other day. Mahomes plays in these big games. Like when you were a kid in the summer and you were like, you know, 14, 15 years old and your parents said, no curfew tonight. Just be safe, go out. You have friends in town. No curfew, but, you know, be reasonable. And you were allowed to have a little more fun than usually mom and dad let you have. That's what I feel the playoff games are. And not just the playoff games, because Houston, it didn't feel that way. First series against Buffalo. Oh, it's a different Patrick Mahomes. And if you didn't watch Jordan play, and many of you didn't, if you're 20 or 30, you didn't see him play live. If you watch Jordan, when he would face the Utahs or, or the Cavaliers or like the Pistons, he went from A plus to A plus plus. Different. Josh Allen was nervous Sunday in his first drive, almost through two picks. I mean, Mahomes was surgical. And that's why I say they all wore red Tiger on Sunday, Mahomes on Sunday, and Jordan on those big, you know, closeout NBA games. Just different, like nothing I've ever seen. And I've said before, the only great athlete I never saw in my life play that I really wish I did was Sandy Koufax, who for three years was virtually unhittable in baseball. Unhittable. Had six good years, six great years. Three was unhittable. And that's so I, when I see him a homes, I'm like, I'm glad I'm around for it. And I know, you know, people take sides now. J. Mac does not believe they're America's team. He thinks half the country hates them. I think, I think Taylor Swift, if there was a coin flip, I think Taylor Swift is the deciding factor to America's team. If you're on the edge, if it's this team or that. Now I, I feel Dallas has fallen. I thought Pittsburgh fell several years ago ago.
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Greg Olson
So let's back up. What is the definition of America's team?
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Colin Cowherd
You will drive the biggest number. Whatever network you go on, you will drive the biggest number and you will drive the discussion on Monday after the games. Doesn't matter if it's Monday Night Football Thursday.
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Greg Olson
That's interesting because, I mean, I don't have every single Monday lineup, but we didn't always lead with the Chiefs on Mondays. This season we probably led with the Cowboys, who were a bit of a dumpster.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, no. I think, I think, think we led a lot with Buffalo. We led a lot with Baltimore. No, I mean, I, I, we led with a lot of different teams now.
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Greg Olson
I mean, if you're just going by ratings, America's even. You can, you know, basically just look at the numbers and see who drives.
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Colin Cowherd
But I also, I think, and I've said this before, when I turn the TV on, this is why I always say, Lamar Jackson's great. If Lamar's playing, I never turn the channel. That's the game. I, you put four games up, Lamar's playing. That's the one I watch, except for Mahomes. But I, I, I think when I think of Dallas, as, I don't even, they're a, they're a corner TV game. Unless they're playing like Philadelphia, I'm just not that interested in them. Yeah, I, I, they're not, it's not even polarizing. They're just boring.
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Greg Olson
Well, I, again, I've argued this for most of the season. I find the Chiefs this season to be boring. I know they're 18 and 2 or whatever. They don't lose games. I. I just don't find them, like, an amazing watch. I thought Buffalo's a better watch.
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Colin Cowherd
So did I.
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Greg Olson
Okay. Yeah. With Josh, Allen and Cook.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I thought this year Buffalo was, on average, the better watch, but one's.
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Greg Olson
In the super bowl, the other's not.
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Colin Cowherd
I know who the better team is.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17, 500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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G
Hey, everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next Question. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Podcasts.
- [44:49]
Colin Cowherd
What's up, everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast. It's NHL Unscripted with Verkin Demers, Jason Demers here, And after playing 700 NHL games, I got a lot of dirty laundry to air out. Hey, I got a lot to say here, too, okay? Each week we'll get together, chat about.
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Bobby Bones
The sport that we love.
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Colin Cowherd
Tons of guests are going to join in, too. But we're not just gonna be talking hockey, folks. We're talking movies. We're talking tv, food, and Adnan's favorite, wrestling. It's all on le table. Listen to NHL Unscripted with Virk and.
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Bobby Bones
Demers in the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Or wherever you get your podcasts.
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F
What's up, everyone? It's Justin Pennik from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week on Mondays on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast and you will be glad you did.