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Doug Gottlieb
Now, let's get this party started.
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Jason Stewart
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Ryan Hollins
What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd, wherever you may be, however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd, and for the next couple of hours, I want to talk sports with you. From La Costa Canyon to Escondido, it's actually not far from each other. Probably wasn't the best. From Otay Mesa to San Clemente, that was better.
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Jason Stewart
From Baja to the Canadian.
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Ryan Hollins
From Baja to the Canadian rockies, the best 15 minutes in sports, you have to know to know. And if you're a SoCal long standing sports radio listener, you know exactly who I'm talking about. And that is a tip of the cap. That's not making fun in any sort of way. Hey, welcome in. Hope you're having a great day. J Stew, give me the weather update in sunny Southern California. Weather on the ones.
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Jason Stewart
Weather on the ones today. Mid 70s and sunny. Not a cloud in the sky. Doug in Southern California. Back to you for traffic on the twos.
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Ryan Hollins
Okay, so, Ryan, do you want to. Do you want to guess? You want to guess? What we're working with here in Green Bay is I'm, I'm looking out at, at actual. At the bay. My dog loves it outside, no matter how cold it is outside. Do you want. Brian, do you want to take any sort of guess of what it is right now? 17 degrees. Okay, it is sunny and 25 degrees. Sunny and 25. Feels like 21. I'm told last night it was in the last. I was the negatives. We're out of the negatives for a while, but it's a, It's a dry 25. That's the good thing, right? It's dry heat. It's dry heat. I bring it up because we're, we're two months away from the NFL draft being in Green Bay, and we had no snow in November and December and just dustings in January. And then we haven't gotten dumped. We had like back to back. So there's probably about 8 inches, 10 inches of snow on the ground, but no one has any idea what in April it could be 75. It could be 45. We had no idea. But it's gonna be fun to have everybody in town for the NFL draft. Let's get to what we saw last night on the basketball floor. Really? The Only thing going of note was the Lakers taking on the Charlotte Hornets last night at at Crypto. And the Lakers lose after having a big league. And there's like, you can make lots of. We can, we can do the whole blame pie that they used to do on Undisputed. We can make it out all to be LeBron's fault because he missed two shots in the last five seconds with a chance to send it to overtime. But we'd also would be being unfair to LeBron because, well, without LeBron they wouldn't have had that lead. He was the one Laker who really had it going. Of course, Austin Reeves got thrown out of the game for what he's for, for a verbal, verbal attack on an official. Right? So then you end up having the Hornets win after the Hornets come storming back, outscore the Lakers 32 18. The third quarter at 21, 22 to 1 run. And the Lakers just did not come out of the locker room. Well. But I look, if you're honest and you're being fair, as much as I don't agree with the trade, I don't. But I also, there's lots of things I don't know about and neither do you because on the outside you're like, man, Luka is a generational talent. He's in any conversation of currently the best player in the league when he's healthy. He just took the Mavericks to the NBA finals and it felt like they were building the thing around him. Now the $350 million, four year contract extension that was out there for him, that's a real thing. And again, if you're running a business, you're like, who's your best employee? Well, it's this guy. But he's always late. You know, there's just a limit. It feels like it's going to get worse with age. If you look at Luka and you're honest with yourself, you're like, he's not the picture of fitness. He doesn't play defense. It's kind of amazing he's able to be this good despite the things he doesn't do. And if you're going to give a guy a four year, 350 million dollar contract, like once you give him that contract, that's kind of on you because that's fully guaranteed. Like you can get mad and stomp your feet as much as you want, but you still have to pay them whether you play them or you don't play. And if you think that is unique just to this. No, no, no. We Say this on my show. So my show is the Doug Gottlieb Show. It runs after this one on most Fox Sports radio affiliates, the iHeartradio app. And we say this all the time about the, the collective bargaining agreement in the NFL. You know, you get players who are complaining about how many games they're playing, hey, shouldn't have agreed to the contract. You know, you get owners that don't like some of the deals with, you know, the amount of time they're practicing, should agree to the contract. Players don't like the franchise tag, shouldn't agree to the contract. Franchise tag is a collectively bargained agreement anyway. It's a contract that a high enough percentage of the players, a majority of the players agreed to, so it lives. And if you don't like it, well then this is not the business for you because that's something that collectively, they've collectively bargained upon for a decade long contract. And the point is that the Hornet, Hornets, the Mavericks, you could be as critical as you want of the trade. And my critique would be if you're going to trade away a guy and not take him to market, you have to get such an incredible value. Look, we're on in Southern California, so people in LA know this to be true. And I know the real estate market right now is a little bit flat, right? Interest rates are high, although they've dropped some, okay? But the housing market is the perfect parallel because, and if you live in a market where this isn't the case, I'm sorry, you may have to catch up because it's a little bit different. I sold three houses in Newport beach when I lived there, okay? All three of them we sold off market. The house was never listed. Was never listed. Like, well, how'd you sell the house? Like, it wasn't like somebody just, hey man, you want to, I'll give you $15 million for your house. Like, that's not how it works. But realtors do knock on your door, they do slide newspapers and paper into your envelope, Hey, I got a buyer is looking and I have a tremendous realtor in Newport. I'll give him a shout out. My man John DeShawn. And they know everybody coming in, coming out, everybody. And so all you got to do is go like, hey, we're, we'd actually think about listing this thing. And then you talk about, what do you think it's worth? And like, you know what, I might have a client for you. And so again, there's three different homes, one people, one couple walks in, I Want it? How much? Done. So you don't have to list it. You don't have to have an opening open house. You don't have to have a realtor open house. You don't have to take all the pictures. You don't have to do all the things. Okay, sometimes you only have to do an inspection. People walk in, they're like, I want it as is. Here's the check. I don't know where people have this kind of money, but it does happen. Happens. But there is one caveat to it, and this is just a belief I have. I think most people would share that belief is if you're gonna buy something off market, and I'm not gonna get into a bidding war, especially in a buy in a seller's market, well, then you're gonna have to pay maybe not above asking, but it's get. The asking has to be a little bit higher than one would expect. You know, like, if it's a $800,000 house and you're like, well, what do you list it for? Like, I don't know, we'll take 825 for it. Like, this is not. You're not really have room to haggle, because if you want to hang. Wait, listen, if you don't want to pay that price, that's fine. We'll just take it to market and maybe you can get it for 750 or 725, or maybe it gets bid up and yet pay 900 for it. So to me, the biggest mistake is that if you're going to have a commodity like Luca that everyone concludes is a man, it's the best player that could ever could possibly be traded at 25 years old, you know, in an expiring contract, like, that's a pretty good deal. And now, by the way, he can't get that Supermax deal, so you're going to save some on some money to the new team as well. You got to get a little bit more than they got. You just have to figure out a way to get more. And if you. If the Lakers didn't want to get more, like, all right, Rob, listen, I know we got a great relationship, but I'm going to have to take this to market. And when I take it to market, I don't. I don't know if just Anthony Davis and a couple of pieces, if that doesn't. But the other side to it is if you. If you're honest with yourself and so many. So few people actually are honest with themselves, and you go, okay, why do you make the trade? Well, because he's not really in shape. He doesn't really play defense, and he consistently gets himself out of shape in the off season, and the defense has never really picked up, and yet we get to the NBA Finals. So if anything, it kind of. It gives him. It empowers him. Like, hey, I didn't play much defense last year. We made the NBA Finals. Why are you yelling at me about it? If you watched last night, okay, and I get, he's still coming off of injury, it's on a new team, he's playing off the ball more. Whereas everything, everything, everything, everything was him with a ball screen in Dallas, which, by the way, if the Lakers really want to remake themselves, they're worrying so much about finding a rim protector. You got to figure out a way to create ball screen opportunities for Luka. He's amazing at it. But if you watched last night, you would say, like, he's in very good shape, and, man, he didn't play any defense. And somewhere Nico Harrison's sitting there going, what's the. What's the meme with.
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Jason Stewart
Oh, man, the meme with that guy.
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Ryan Hollins
The.
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Jason Stewart
What's his face? That meme.
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Ryan Hollins
Come on, dude.
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Jason Stewart
Well, give me some clues here. Give me some.
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Ryan Hollins
Hold on now. Now I'm really having. Having a tough day. Okay, who. What's the meme? He famous actor, dates women much younger than him.
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Jason Stewart
George Clooney.
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Ryan Hollins
No, he's married. Leonardo DiCaprio on his couch with a beer, pointing at the screen, right? Doing the, you know, looking at the.
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Jason Stewart
Screen from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Yep.
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Ryan Hollins
Yes. Yes, that one. What is that. What is that meme called? What would you. How would you describe that meme? When you want to search for that meme, what do you describe how it.
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Jason Stewart
Leo DiCaprio pointing at TV. I don't know.
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Ryan Hollins
Yes, that's Nico last night. See that? That right there? That's the one. Uh, and then, you know, LeBron misses two shots at the end, and we're supposed to argue about, like, sports radio is supposed to be, who's going to take the game winning shot is LeBron. Is it? Luca and I just think those things organically take care of themselves. Like, LeBron had it going last night. He takes him. Eventually it's going to be Lucas team. But you got to allow LeBron kind of like his space. It's his deal. Like, let him do his deal. And then once we get to the playoffs, we know who's going to have the ball.
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Jason Stewart
But Doug, it's Sports talk. So you doing the case by case thing that's somewhere in the middle. That's far too rational for sports talk. So how about we narrow this down? Game 7 of a playoff series. Who do you want coach taking that shot?
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Ryan Hollins
Like, it all depends.
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Jason Stewart
Yeah, it depends. That doesn't work. There's no more depends. You have to.
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Ryan Hollins
There is, though, that, like, that's where sports, sports talk is. The, the, the polarizing. Either, you know, either you're. Because this is how sports talk works. If I don't think LeBron James is the greatest player of all time, I'm a hater. And I've somehow said he sucks. Whereas, you know, there's 450 NBA players right now, there's 8 billion people on the planet. They're the best of the best. The best. And again, the NBA's existed for about 100 years, but really we're only paying attention in the past 40 years. If I say he's the second or third best, that's not saying he sucks. That's saying I prefer Jordan. Honestly, in a game, I would have preferred Bird in his prime, probably Magic in his prime to LeBron. But LeBron's great. And his ability to longevity. He's amazing. He's awesome. I just like those guys in the short instance better. Again, I know that doesn't work. I guess that doesn't work for some people. Sports radio. What would I do? I would this year? Again, it depends. Who's. Are they double teaming LeBron, they double teaming Luka, who's open, who's playing? Well, I probably end up like. Again, if all things being equal, it would probably be Luca.
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Jason Stewart
That's a good, That's a good exercise. So they're both having a great game, they both have similar stats, and at the end you're just like, I want Luca. So that. That's the way to put it. I like that. So I'm going to hold you to that.
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Ryan Hollins
Yeah, because he's done it at the end of playoff games more recently than LeBron has done. LeBron has done it more often for more years in the playoffs. But it stands to reason that Luka, at 25 years old, having just taken a team the NBA finals last year, he's done it more recently and he will be younger. And although he's not in shape now, if we were to get that deep into the NBA playoffs, he would be in the best shape of the year and I would. And they both, I mean, look, the thing about both of them is both incredible passers. So if you throw a second guy at him, they will find the open guy. But I would say Luca would be my guy.
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Jason Stewart
And it depends on the shot too, right? Like last night, they needed a three. I mean, if LeBron could get you two easier than a three, right, Luke is the better perimeter shooter.
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Ryan Hollins
Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, look, LeBron had two really good looks. Those are two really good looks. He left them short, but those are two good looks. And at the time, he was, I think four of nine from three. So whoever gets those, those looks, that's on the floor at the end, Dorian, Finney Smith or Gabe Vincent or if Rui had two wide open looks, really shot the ball poorly last night. Like, those are good looks. A little deep, but yeah, of course it depends upon the selection of the shot, where it comes in the shot clock, who it's against, how you're playing, all these things. We make these, we make this stuff up. Like, you know, it's like when the Ravens, when the Ravens lost in the playoffs, you know, people critical of the play calling, should they have given it to Derrick Henry more, more often? Like, yeah, but then when you turn the football over, you get behind and they're stacking the box. Is that, is that the best way? Is that the best way? So Lakers lose all of the flaws with, with Luka and some with LeBron on display. If we're fair about it, he's still a. Luka was still a plus 13 despite the fact that he was like LeBron. His stats were way better. Was a minus 4. Luca a plus 13. He ends up with 14, 11 and 8 assists. Did have 6 turnovers, was 518 from the floor and struggled to guard as Lamelo late in the game lit him up. But if you watch that game and you're fair about it, again, I wouldn't have traded Luka Doncic. No chance. But if you're fair about it, you go. He doesn't look like he's in shape and he ain't got anybody.
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Jason Stewart
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Ryan Hollins
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Doug Gottlieb
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Ryan Hollins
Anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get back on defense. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s. Peja 5 Dirk 4 Peja is elite. I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but.
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Doug Gottlieb
We know that the fixes were not there defensively and the challenges between LeBron and Luca being on the court. And I think watching Luca and a couple of those possessions, you know, you've got to ask yourself is it a matter of health that he can't get down in the defensive stance and keep guys in front? Is that knee bothering him that much? Or is a matter of do I want to guard, do I want to keep guys in front? But you have to have a large level of concern the way that the NBA's played now. You know Doug, when we played the guards would fight through screens. Big will show, then you recover. Today's NBA because of spacing, you're every opposing team is going to hunt down the weak link and whoever you're guarding is going to be in the pick and roll until they get the matchup that they want or shot they want. What's that mean? That means the Lakers are going to have a very long season until they figure out Luka Doncic defensively. So I'm not sure what the schemes are going to be moving down the stretch, but there's a large concern because he's moving around the way that LeBron actually should be at 40 years old.
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Ryan Hollins
Right. I mean it's interesting you say this because look, I get I wouldn't have pulled off the trade, but if you watched last night and you're like not in good shape, he doesn't guard anybody and you want me to sign a four year, 350 million dollar contract like oof, oof. There was, there was a little bit of confirmation over some of the fears in Dallas watching last night. He's and look, he was still a plus 13. He still had a great, a positive impact during his time in the game and like, not that plus minus is everything, but they were 13 points better than the Hornets when he was in. But they were just. He didn't guard at all. At all, Ryan.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, but. But Doug, again, that's the challenge. And then I think as far as legacy is concerned, LeBron's legacy as a player is pretty much set in stone. I don't know what's more he can do. You know, at the end of the day, he's. He's one of the greatest to ever do that. No one can contest that. But his global legacy, his legacy moving forward, or the legacy of, hey, like LeBron, what have you left to the game is right now what he gave to Anthony Davis and even bigger, what he gives to Luka Doncic. If Luka Doncic ends up being the heir apparent to the throne in the NBA kingdom, they're going to say, LeBron James, you either helped push that forward or LeBron James, you were a non factor in this equation. So LeBron has now been given as much a stakeholder as he is in it for his own legacy purposes of moving the game forward. You know, and I, I get it. We throw away, throw LeBron's name around, you know, very loosely, but, you know, you're handing those keys to the kingdom to somebody else. That is big. That's why Chris Paul, you know, went down to San Antonio to help out with wimby. That's why a lot of these guys are gravitating to these young stars. I'm sure there's going to be a big name that's going to be right alongside Anthony Edwards, trying to help him get where he needs to go because of his talent level. But for LeBron, you know, this is his responsibility now.
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Ryan Hollins
Ryan hall is our guest here on the in the Herd. I'm Doug Gotley filling in for Colin. Okay, let's. Let's get to the Warriors. You know, now, you know, Jimmy Butler, they're going to work. Draymond Green, we're going to win it. How? What does that trade do to the warriors in the playoffs, in your opinion, Ryan?
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Doug Gottlieb
I mean, it's dangerous. I wouldn't want to see him in the first round. You know, I'd be lying to you if I said, you know, looking at Oklahoma City, told you that was championship contention. But we got to see him before the break. And Doug, Jimmy didn't even know the plays yet. But, you know, with him on the floor with Steph, it's dangerous because their games really complement each other. And if we're going to be the. We're going to nitpick Steph Curry at this moment. Let's nitpick him. In moments when the defense gets tight because of his size, it's hard for him to get to the foul line or get his shot off in moments. That's what Jimmy Butler does. So you may see a lot of 13 screen flip actions and courage. Drew up a couple dots, you know, with Jimmy Butler, because you got to follow Curry and now you get Jimmy Butler with a smaller guy that he can go one on one against, you know, and then obviously they improved defensively and I think they were deep enough to be able to lose Kyle Anderson and Wiggins, even though those are two great players. But this is, this was a deep enough team where Gary Payton the second can step in. And there's a number of other guys of Moses Moody's who played, you know, extremely well. And, you know, imagine what they're going to look like even when Jonathan Kaminga gets back.
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Ryan Hollins
Okay, so if it's not the Lakers, if it's not the warriors, like Houston's obviously had a turnaround season. The Thunder have been awesome. Last year in the regular season, this year in the regular season, but last year they lost to Dallas. Are the Thunder there yet? I guess is the big question.
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Doug Gottlieb
They're there, they're there. Doug, when you play them this season, when we were able to see them, there was a. They picked up where they left off from last year. And you remember, if we're going to liken this to football, remember Peyton Manning? And I'm not, you know, saying I'm not trying to throw a shot, remember Peyton Manning? Everybody was like, man, he's playing playoff football in the middle of the year. Like they stepped into this year playing playoff basketball. They, even with a small lineup, they were making some of the most detailed defensive adjustments on the fly that I've seen from a team. You know, and the big compliment is when you can implement different strategies for different guys. They would shift their defense one way for Fred Van Vliet driving, and then they shift a whole nother way for Jalen Green. And their guys were picking up the IQ of hey, let's take away what the player does best. And when we beat him at home, it literally took 30 plus points from Fred and a half court heave to do it. But they said, Fred Bradley is going to beat us scoring the basketball. But the adjustments that they were able to make on the fly were nothing short of impressive. And then Shea is unbelievable. They have a guy like Doug you know, like, they have a guy. Like their sound things are rolling. When Chet comes back, there's a different dimension. And they have a guy. Shea Gilgamesis Alexander is a guy.
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Ryan Hollins
He's a dude. There's no question. He's a dude. Wemby shuts. They shut Wemby down for. For deep vein thrombosis. Thrombosis in his shoulder. What does this do to your outlook for. For Wemby, right? It is. It is one of those guys that we've all like again, as fans. We look at him, we're like, well, he's gonna break in half at some point, and that's gonna be that. He didn't break it half, but he got a blood clot in his shoulder. What. What does this do to his trajectory?
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Doug Gottlieb
Well, my concerns at a 10 to 10, I'm sure San Antonio is worried that they're shutting him down. The first thought comes to mind. I'm no medical expert, Doug, but I don't think you take that lightly. Chris Bosh was. Didn't play again, you know, so hopefully they're catching this thing early. They're playing it safe again. I don't know enough about a blood clot, but for a guy that young to be missing games, the concern was there earlier. We talked about Luka Doncic, right? And we're saying you're 25 years old. The knee has not gone away. It's lingering. And if you watch the clip, he's standing like a scarecrow on defense. Your concern is that what major health issue there is that? Because is it, like I said, is it that you don't want to get down, or is there a health issue? But back to Wimby. For him to be missing games, it's a concern. And he's a generational talent. He could break every record that the NBA has standing, if he can stand, be healthy. You think about Yao Ming and. And his greatness. And for Yao Ming, you know, his foot broken foot ended up taking him out. So, you know, we have these giants in the game and sometimes we don't see them at their peak. Hey, Doug, if we saw Vitus or bonus in his prime, if he came over to the NBA, you know, we got to see the older Arvidus. So I'm praying that we get to see when the reach his potential. I hope it's a speedy recovery, but I'd be lying to you if I said that there is not a cause for concern. The prayers going out and hopefully, you know, he ends up just being fine. And they caught whatever it was soon enough.
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Ryan Hollins
Can anybody in the east beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
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Doug Gottlieb
It's going to be tough. Doug, when we saw him this year, they just like, they're a well oiled machine. And I think the challenge is when you, when you play them, they really defend like they get after you. And to me, the key in the NBA right now is your depth. Joe Missoula is not scared to go 10 or 12 deep in the game. And the key is rest. You're looking at a lot of these other stars and teams and guys are breaking down left, right. Steph Curry missed a chunk of the season. John Morant missed so much that he wasn't in the game. The Suns hadn't played with their starting lineup or their big three intact. I think it's like, like, it's like 10 games they played together, something ridiculous. So, you know, not really, you know, coming together. So I just don't see anybody challenging Boston. And like, it's their, it's their role players that get it. You can probably say Tatum and Brown can pound for pound match with anybody, but like, they're role players. Douglas. They are playing competent. Richard. When Pritchard's up for a contract, remember I said they're not gonna be able to keep him. Oh, they're gonna have to pay that young man. Like, he's, he's a, he's a dog. Okay. And they have these young guys coming up in confidence and just playing at an extremely high clip. So I, I really like Boston again, Doug.
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Ryan Hollins
Yeah. Who doesn't like watching Peyton Pritchard play? There's, There's a dude that, that, that is dynamic and fun. Ryan. Great stuff, dude. Look forward to hearing your calls. The Rockets game here the second half of the season and into the playoffs. Appreciate you being our guest as always.
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Doug Gottlieb
Anytime, Doug. And stop mixing it up, man. Go. Go ahead and chill out a little bit, Doug. Oh, that's a little bit.
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Ryan Hollins
Ryan. I, I had nothing. I was, I was on a plane flying, recruiting. I catch a stray from LeBron. I hadn't talked about LeBron in like, in a month and a half. Was with your boy. Was your boy on his day off. What's going on there?
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Doug Gottlieb
You're in the line. You're in the line of fire, Doug. You must, you must be doing something right, brother. But keep it up, man. And then, well wishes to you, man.
- [34:07]
Ryan Hollins
Good talk. Rent free, Ryan, thanks so much. Let's get you to Jason Stewart with the news. Jason. No, no, no, no.
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Doug Gottlieb
Turn on the news.
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Jason Stewart
This is the herd line news. Doug, I feel compelled to. To address what Ryan just said. Ryan just gave you a compliment. And I think that the last four days since sent that tweet has been a net positive for Doug Gottlieb, for the brand that is Doug Gottlieb and by extension, I think, your basketball program. Ryan kind of gave you props there. You got on LeBron James radar. He tweeted out to 53 million people around the world about Doug Gottlieb and Green Bay basketball. I would not feel bad about this at all.
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Ryan Hollins
Oh, I don't feel bad about it. And everybody here understands, like, it's crazy that you're. You're really helping us out. Obviously, records that we want. But, you know, again, here's what I know. I know we'll start winning, and when we start winning, I know probably about half of the. The. The negatives will fall off, but that other half will. Will either mea Copa or celebrate the turnaround or whatever, act like they were there the whole time, and that'll be a far greater number that can ever before. No, I. I agree with you. I mean, it's like the big thing, though. There's two big takeaways that I want you to have. Jstu. I don't care if other people have one. Is that it's kind of always been this way with me. It's like the. Even the Andrew Luck tweet, like lots of people tweet about Andrew Luck. We try. For whatever reason, mine got picked up, became a huge thing. So I take great pride in that. I think my bosses do as well. But I'm also. I'm not in. I. I don't intentionally ins. Make some incendiary comment. Right. I don't pick fights. I don't troll people. I don't believe I do. If the topic comes up and it makes sense, I'll give honest commentary about it. So that's what's weird about his was there was no context to it. There's no. No recent comment, no nothing. Just kind of out of left field, which is fine, but obviously shows that somewhere along the line something bothered him.
- [36:22]
Jason Stewart
No doubt. No doubt. It's been a fascinating week in the world of Doug Gottlieb. I do wanna bring something up.
- [36:28]
Ryan Hollins
Just another one.
- [36:29]
Jason Stewart
Yeah, another one. Paige Beckers. I hope I'm saying her name right. Yeah, she's the one that a lot of people within the last 12 months, we've been told by the people, the sick of the next one sycophantish WNBA beat writers and analysts have been telling us that, look, Paige Beckers is one of two people with juju Watkins that are just gonna take women's basketball to level even beyond where Caitlin Clark brought it. Caitlin Clark was just a tipping point. That's what we've been told. So last night, Paige Beckers, who plays for UConn, pass Diana Taurasi in scoring most points in UConn history. Or maybe she's ninth all time. Anyways, the details do not matter, Doug. The point is nobody's talking about Paige Beckers today. I really thought that college women's hoops had taken another step. I thought it was going to get on the national radar. In the last couple weeks, JuJu Watkins had an amazing game against the undefeated UCLA Bruins, and it barely dinged on anybody's radar. Why is no one talking about women's college basketball the way we were told people were going to be talking about it, Doug?
- [37:49]
Ryan Hollins
I mean, I just. She's a. She's a generational star, you know, she's just generational star. And it's seemed like every time she. We turn on tv, she would play up to or even exceed expectations.
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Jason Stewart
Caitlin Clark you're talking about.
- [38:05]
Ryan Hollins
Yeah, Caitlin Clark. Whereas Paige Beckers, who's tremendous. And I, like, I had heard her when she was in high school and when she went to UConn. This was like the rebirth of the UConn program. And obviously she suffered a knee injury and everybody felt so terrible for her or whatever. She's had games, big games this year where she hasn't been at her best against the best. That's the difference. I'd say the two things are, one, Caitlin Clark seemed to deliver in all of those big moments. Seemed to. And again, I could be misremembering. I didn't watch every game, but the ones I remember, she seemed to deliver. And the second part to it is, again, like, you just can't recreate this stuff. You just can't. You know, there have been. There have been hundreds of popular singers like Taylor Swift. There's only one Taylor Swift. Only one. Like, just the timing of it, when her albums came out, the tone of it, it just has all worked. And she's the biggest star in music. There's only one Caitlin Clark. And it's. Honestly, it's just like this happened with hockey. If you're listening in Los Angeles on AM570 and you're old enough to remember, in 1993, I was on Lake Havasu with a bunch of buddies and Everyone got off the lake to watch the the LA Kings play in the Stanley cup finals for the first time ever. And that was when Marty McSorley had like a curved stick. Like I didn't even know sticks were curved. I didn't know. There's a limit. Nobody knew anything about it. I know the Kings have actually been a better team since they've actually won the Stanley cup, since they had Wayne Gretzky on the tank. I never crossed my radar. Right. And the point is there's only one Gretzky. Point is there's only one Caitlin Clark. There's only one Taylor Swift. And the more we come to it doesn't mean that that the WNBA has to go or women's college basketball has to go back in their holes. But the over expansion, the idea of neutral sites and putting them in domes, that's a bad play. It's still a niche sport. It has grown in popularity, but not close to the level of Caitlin Clark's popularity. Those two are not connected. And that's Jason Stewart with news.
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Jason Stewart
Well, that's the news.
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Ryan Hollins
I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. Coming up next in the Herd, what what sports car would you most like to own? It does relate to a big story in the news that's part of the best for last. That's next in the Herd.
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Ryan Hollins
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Ryan Hollins
What's up everybody? I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the.
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Ryan Hollins
Episode that's out now. We went live from All Star Weekend and had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters. When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you.
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Doug Gottlieb
There's a fear factor that's associated with.
- [43:21]
Ryan Hollins
Anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get back on defense. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s. Peja 5 Dirk 4 Peja is elite. Okay, I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but.
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American Express Representative
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Ryan Hollins
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Doug Gottlieb
That's so tough.
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Ryan Hollins
That's why we tap these conversations. Love it.
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Ryan Hollins
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For college I heard FOX Sports Radio iHeartradio app got some NBA games back tonight. Bunch of college basketball games tonight things get back into full swing but we like to wrap up this show with a little best for last.
- [45:05]
Jason Stewart
It's almost the end of the show.
- [45:06]
Doug Gottlieb
But that doesn't mean we're phoning it in.
- [45:09]
Ryan Hollins
Nope, we grind to the very last segment.
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Jason Stewart
It's time for best for last.
- [45:14]
Ryan Hollins
Ah, the best for last. So I we saw this story we talked about a little bit earlier. Which which cavender is he dating? Carson Beck, who's the now the quarterback of the Miami Hurricanes transferred in from Georgia day one of the Cavendish twins. The report came out earlier today. Two of their cars were stolen. One's a Mercedes, another one's a Lamborghini which is again the idea of having a Lamborghini blows my mind that having a Lamborghini in college is crazy. Crazy. What that triggered inside JSTU's mind is Lamborghini sounds fun but I'm not sure that's the one car I would want to drive the most. So part of our best for last is let's have a discussion. Ryan, I'll bring you in on this and Jay Stu if there's one ex does that to be exotic or just sports car or one car you want to drive get in the world what would it be?
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Jason Stewart
Personally I I've always said this before I die I want to own a Porsche and it's one of those little ones. What are they? Boxsters.
- [46:24]
Ryan Hollins
Why do you want to own a Porsche? Not what a boxer on 9 11.
- [46:28]
Jason Stewart
Do they still make 911s? Whatever. Yeah it one of those cool little Porsches that have almost zero practical use. They're just badass looking and you could Drive fast. That's what I want. On a producer's salary, I can't do that. So I'm going to need to make a lot of money soon. Or maybe Doug Gottlieb can get me one for Christmas.
- [46:50]
Ryan Hollins
Yeah, the last part is definitely not happening. Not at all.
- [46:54]
Jason Stewart
My birthday, though. Thank you.
- [46:55]
Ryan Hollins
Also, also not happening. But we're not talking. It doesn't have to be on your salary, right? That's not part of it.
- [47:02]
Jason Stewart
No, you're right.
- [47:03]
Ryan Hollins
I was just saying the likeability, like an imaginary thing. Okay. Ryan, what would. What would you drive? You can. You can get one thing. Well, I'm not really a car guy, but I guess maybe like a.
- [47:15]
Doug Gottlieb
A big old BMW four door, something like that.
- [47:19]
Ryan Hollins
I'm not too picky.
- [47:20]
Jason Stewart
What's the horsepower?
- [47:22]
Doug Gottlieb
I. I don't know.
- [47:23]
Ryan Hollins
Two horses. BMWs. There's the three series. The smaller, the five series. The middle, the seven series is the big one. Okay, so the M's are their super turbo powered fast ones. You can get an M5, you can get an M7. There's. There's a bunch of different options.
- [47:39]
Doug Gottlieb
Just give me the biggest one.
- [47:40]
Ryan Hollins
There you go. That's the seven series.
- [47:41]
Doug Gottlieb
There you go.
- [47:42]
Ryan Hollins
Ultimate driving machine. You want the Alpena 7 series? Sure.
- [47:46]
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah.
- [47:47]
Ryan Hollins
Like $200,000. Is that your jam? Yeah.
- [47:50]
Doug Gottlieb
And make it bulletproof like James Bond. There you go.
- [47:53]
Ryan Hollins
Why does that be bulletproof?
- [47:55]
Doug Gottlieb
I don't know. Why not? If you don't.
- [47:57]
Ryan Hollins
You know, honestly, if I'm paying $200,000, it better be bulletproof.
- [48:00]
Jason Stewart
Why does that. To be bulletproof. He lives in la, Dog.
- [48:05]
Ryan Hollins
And I, you know. You ever heard a thing called driving while black? You never know. I've heard of a thing. How many people who are driving while black have been shot in a Beamer driving down the 405?
- [48:21]
Doug Gottlieb
I would say it's probably more than like this year.
- [48:24]
Ryan Hollins
Are you asking me in any year?
- [48:27]
Doug Gottlieb
I would say probably more than you think.
- [48:29]
Ryan Hollins
I'm guessing I would say a lot less than you think. Okay. But. Okay, we can google it if you want. Do you want me to google it right now? You. You Google.
- [48:38]
Doug Gottlieb
Okay, I'll do that right now.
- [48:39]
Ryan Hollins
You Google.
- [48:39]
Doug Gottlieb
Okay.
- [48:40]
Ryan Hollins
And I'll share with you my list.
- [48:41]
Doug Gottlieb
All right.
- [48:43]
Ryan Hollins
All right. So look, you have. You can have the American made Mustang or the Corvette. The new Corvettes are pretty amazing, right? They are pretty amazing. It's a hard call though. And this is actually a perfect area of the country. So most people in Wisconsin, upper Midwest, you have a summer car, you know, that you cover up and you never use rear wheel drive. Whatever. Can be anything from an old Mustang to now. You know my dream car. I guess you don't know my dream cars because you don't know my favorite movie is, don't you?
- [49:18]
Jason Stewart
My favorite movie is J. Stu, man, I have you have. You told me it's A Few Good Men.
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Ryan Hollins
No.
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Jason Stewart
Ferris Bueller.
- [49:26]
Ryan Hollins
You know, let me guess. I. I bet it's the Last Jedi. Is not the Last Jedi. Oh, no. Smoking the band.
- [49:35]
Jason Stewart
Smoking the Bandit.
- [49:36]
Ryan Hollins
Yeah, Smoking the Bandit. Okay. And what does he drive?
- [49:42]
Jason Stewart
You still make Trans Ams?
- [49:44]
Ryan Hollins
They don't still make Trans Ams. But I want a 77 Trans Am.
- [49:47]
Jason Stewart
Nice.
- [49:48]
Ryan Hollins
Black with the gold. With the gold. With the gold wheels. You know, I want it all cleaned up and all redone. And then, you know, then I want to soup up the engine. Heck, yeah. With the T tops. But I want the T tops to make sure they don't rattle.
- [50:00]
Jason Stewart
And Sally Field in the passenger seat.
- [50:03]
Ryan Hollins
Frog. Frog. I don't know if I want Sally Field the passenger seat now, though. Although we would get the handicap parking because she's older, so she'd get the handicap parking. That's the only thing. So maybe not Sally Field, but you get the idea. I can't imagine, though, you have your dream car, and then you walk outside to go to class the next day, you're like, wait, where's my car? My Lamborghini got stolen. Imagine calling the insurance guy, yeah, my Lamborghini got stolen. Yeah, I have a Lamborghini. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Herd. Some people just know they could save hundreds on car insurance by checking Allstate first. Like, you know, to check for the nearest bathroom first before the game starts. Now you're heading in the wrong direction, and it sounds like your team's taking the lead. Checking first is smart, so check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate Savings. Vary subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate Fire and Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois.
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Doug Gottlieb
Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's.
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Ryan Hollins
The thing, I spoke with more actors.
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Doug Gottlieb
Musicians, policymakers, and so many other fascinating people, like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd. I love writing more than anything. You're left alone, you know, you do.
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Ryan Hollins
Three hours in the morning, you write.
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Doug Gottlieb
Three hours in the afternoon.
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Ryan Hollins
Go pick up a kid from school.
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Doug Gottlieb
And write at night.
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Ryan Hollins
And after nine hours, you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on.
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Doug Gottlieb
Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Ryan Hollins
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