Hour 3 - Mark Sanchez in studio

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3: Mark Sanchez in Studio

Release Date: December 11, 2024

Introduction

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, Colin engages in a dynamic discussion with guest Mark Sanchez, delving into pressing topics across the NFL, college football, and the NBA. The conversation is enriched with expert insights, spirited debates, and in-depth analyses, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of the current sports landscape.

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1. NFL vs. College Coaching: Changing Dynamics

Colin kicks off the discussion by exploring the evolving landscape of NFL and college football coaching. He notes a significant shift where advanced concepts and schemes traditionally seen in the NFL are now prevalent in college football. This cross-pollination has elevated the quality of play in both arenas.

Colin Cowherd [05:00]: "On any given Saturday, you start watching some of these pro offenses in college football and you're like that receiving corps at LSU a couple of years ago—is better than 90% of the NFL."

Colin emphasizes the importance of charisma and personality in college coaches, contrasting it with the more strategic player selection seen in the NFL.

Colin Cowherd [06:45]: "To be a college coach, the players choose you. To be an NFL coach, you choose the players. So charisma and personality matter a lot."

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2. Bill Belichick's Potential Move to College Football

A major highlight of the episode is the speculation surrounding Bill Belichick's rumored interest in transitioning from the NFL to a college coaching position, specifically at the University of North Carolina (UNC).

Jason Demers [05:46]: "We heard this week that Bill Belichick is actually interviewing for college jobs. Can you imagine him coaching college?"

Mark Sanchez [06:00]: "I think there's a lot he could do, but handling recruiting and dealing with all these college... it might not be the best fit."

Colin debates the feasibility of such a move, questioning whether Belichick's traditional, disciplined coaching style would translate effectively in the college environment, where recruiting and player relations are pivotal.

Colin Cowherd [06:18]: "It's a different world. He wants control of everything. That's why you don't have to be accountable to them. That's a rough start to any relationship."

John Middlekoff adds to the conversation, highlighting the financial aspects involved in college coaching, especially with the advent of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals.

John Middlekoff [40:37]: "How much do we have in the NIL slush fund? Then I'll say yes or no."

The discussion underscores the complexities Belichick would face in the college realm, balancing his authoritative approach with the relational dynamics of collegiate athletes and the financial implications of modern college sports.

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3. Rams' Quarterback Matt Stafford and Team Performance

Shifting focus to the NFL, the podcast delves into the Los Angeles Rams' performance, particularly spotlighting quarterback Matt Stafford's impressive streak.

Mark Sanchez [14:46]: "Stu Stafford is cooking once again. 10 touchdowns in his last four games. Hasn't thrown a pick in a month."

John Middlekoff analyzes Stafford's discipline on the field, commending his ability to protect the football while still being aggressive in playmaking.

John Middlekoff [15:25]: "Every interception has its own story. He’s done these plays before. I've seen him execute it on film."

Colin contrasts Stafford's performance with other quarterbacks, acknowledging his growth and the Rams' strategic strengths, such as their offensive line and key positions.

Colin Cowherd [16:21]: "If I said to you, head coach, quarterback, top two weapons, running back, I would put the Rams in a very, very Philadelphia Eagles elite group."

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4. College Football Recruiting Challenges

The conversation pivots to the challenges faced by Southern California (SoCal) colleges in recruiting top-tier talent amidst fierce competition from powerhouse programs.

Colin Cowherd [26:14]: "I think if you're going to be a powerhouse in Southern California, you've got to own California when it comes to recruiting."

John Middlekoff underscores the strategic importance of dominating local recruiting to maintain competitiveness.

John Middlekoff [28:27]: "If you're going to be a powerhouse in Southern California, you've got to own California when it comes to recruiting."

They discuss the declining influx of SoCal players committing to certain schools, emphasizing the need for increased investment and strategic recruitment to reclaim dominance.

John Middlekoff [29:05]: "You got to find the best players in California. You got to make them commit to making this school what it can be."

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5. NBA Insights: Jimmy Butler's Potential Team Move

Transitioning to the NBA, Colin and Mark discuss the rumor mill surrounding Jimmy Butler’s possible transfer to teams like the Dallas Mavericks, Warriors, or Rockets.

J. Mac [17:12]: "The Warriors, Mavericks, or Rockets. And if you're watching Jimmy Butler dominate, he took the Heat to the finals twice."

Colin advocates for Butler joining the Mavericks, highlighting the strategic fit and potential championship implications.

Colin Cowherd [17:48]: "He fits the Warriors, but I think where he fits, actually, if you're asking me where he fits, it's Dallas by a mile."

Mark concurs, noting the Mavericks' championship aspirations and Butler's defensive prowess.

John Middlekoff [18:02]: "Because in the playoffs it's basically your top seven or eight guys play. That's it."

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6. In-Depth Football Play Analysis: Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown

One of the episode's most technical segments involves a detailed analysis of quarterback Jalen Hurts' throws to receiver AJ Brown. Colin collaborates with John Middlekoff to dissect specific plays, scrutinizing the decision-making and execution involved.

Colin Cowherd [33:54]: "Is the ball in Belichick's court? Carolina is working to close the deal on him."

John breaks down Hurts' progression reads, highlighting where mistakes occur despite executing the reads correctly.

John Middlekoff [38:51]: "I don't understand. He's done these plays before. I've seen him execute it on film. I could show you 20 clips so he's doing it right."

They explore potential reasons for Hurts' mishandling, attributing it to possible confidence issues or mental lapses under pressure.

John Middlekoff [39:09]: "There's guys open. The ball should have gone to Saquon Barkley. The ball could have gone to Devonte Smith inside."

The analysis underscores the necessity for Hurts to maintain composure and trust in his decision-making to capitalize on open receivers.

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7. Conclusion: Belichick's Future and Team Dynamics

As the episode wraps up, Colin and John revisit the speculation around Bill Belichick's move to Carolina, contemplating the financial requirements and potential impact on the college program.

Colin Cowherd [33:18]: "Belichick looks like the ball is in his court. If Bill Belichick wants it and signs it, it's Belichick to Carolina. Not sure it's going to work, but I think it's going to be fascinating."

John concludes with a critical perspective on the financial sustainability and the necessity for substantial investment to make Belichick's tenure successful.

John Middlekoff [41:06]: "I'm gimme the number and I'll tell you yes or no. Carolina."

The episode concludes with anticipation for Belichick's decision and its ripple effects across the college football landscape.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Colin Cowherd [05:00]: "On any given Saturday, you start watching some of these pro offenses in college football and you're like that receiving corps at LSU a couple of years ago—is better than 90% of the NFL."

• Mark Sanchez [06:00]: "I think there's a lot he could do, but handling recruiting and dealing with all these college... it might not be the best fit."

• John Middlekoff [28:27]: "If you're going to be a powerhouse in Southern California, you've got to own California when it comes to recruiting."

• Colin Cowherd [17:48]: "He fits the Warriors, but I think where he fits, actually, if you're asking me where he fits, it's Dallas by a mile."

• John Middlekoff [39:09]: "There's guys open. The ball should have gone to Saquon Barkley. The ball could have gone to Devonte Smith inside."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd offers a robust exploration of contemporary issues in football and basketball, blending strategic analysis with speculative discussions on coaching careers and player movements. Colin and his guests provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the sports' evolving dynamics, making it a must-listen for avid sports enthusiasts seeking depth and insight.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. So many things going on. You know, I was just thinking about Belichick. So it used to be like NFL coaches were NFL coaches and college coaches in the 60s, 70s, 80s. Like, even Lou Holtz tried the NFL. It was embarrassing. Like, it just didn't work. Steve Spurrier, great college coach, disaster. And then all of a sudden, you started seeing concepts that NFL teams were stealing from college. And now, you know, on any given Saturday, you start watching some of these pro offenses at college football and you're like that receiving core at LSU a couple years ago that's better than 90% of the NFL. So you're seeing younger players now. You have to, you have to basically, out of high school, wait three years before you go pro for safety concerns, obviously. But you're seeing, you're seeing players a couple of years out of high school that look like they could play pro. The concepts are better, the coaching's better at college. And so both of them share, you know, concepts and schemes. But to be a college coach, the players choose you. To be an NFL coach, you choose the players. So charisma and personality matter a lot. I mean, I've been in the presence of Nick Saban. He is a charmer. Marcus, Freeman, Sark, they all have the ability to put on the salesman hat. And that's, that's not a criticism. That is the reality of being a college basketball or football coach. It doesn't work that way. As a pro coach, you don't have to do that. In fact, there's an argument that I talked to Jimmy Johnson about this. He did not want to have deep relationships with players outside of a quarterback because the Reality was the quarterback is the coach on the field. Jimmy had his coaches coaching the players. Jimmy coached the coaches, but he didn't want too many relationships with players. That's what most coaches are all about. Outside of a quarterback where he is essentially your mouthpiece and the quarter the coach on the field. So there was a great exchange this weekend. Brady Edelman, Gronk on the Fox NFL pregame show about Belichick to college.

[Jason Demers]

We heard this week that Bill Belichick is actually interviewing for college jobs. Can you imagine him coaching college?

[Adnan Virk]

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[John Middlekoff]

I think there's a lot of things he could do and obviously he's tremendous and even showing his personality. But getting out there on the recruiting.

[Colin Cowherd]

Trail and dealing with all these college.

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[John Middlekoff]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Couch recruiting an 18 year old?

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[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, we don't really want you anyway, but I mean, I guess you could come.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, it's just, it's a different world. And I think Bill, his last couple of years, I thought in the NFL a little bit, you know, a little tone deaf for some of the cultural offensive changes in the league. And the other thing is, and you see this with the Bobby Knights and the legendary older coaches, they want control. Well, I got news for you. That's why Pete Carroll got into trouble in Seattle. He wanted to control drafts. And John Snyder's like, I'm out of here, I'm going to Detroit. The ownership, the Allen group brought him back. And now that John Snyder controls the drafts, Seattle is one of the best drafting teams in the league. So these coaches, because they all know they're on the hot seat unless they win the super bowl every third year, they want control of the personnel. Bill Parcells famously said, you know, if I'm going to make the dinner, I want to shop for the groceries. Like I get coaches perspective. But Andy Reid's figured it out. Brett Veach, you run it all, coach and I that's the way to do it. If you, if you don't trust. That's why the Bears and the jets jobs are problematic. If you're a coach, do you trust the guy upstairs? You know, it's Kansas City's like when the Patriots were at their best. Belichick was trusting Scott Pioli, he was letting him do the drafts and they were hitting on a lot of draft picks. The more power Bill got, the more he wanted the final say. They've had on. They've hit on certainly some really good defensive players, but they haven't hit on a lot of offensive players and bills. You know, this just happens. You get wealth, you get power, you get ego, you get vanity. You want to control everything. Even reportedly, Belichick brought like, you know, this binder to Carolina full of absolutes. Well, boy, that's you're not going to ingratiate yourself to a lot of people when they have to only play by your rules and be accountable to you. But you don't have to be accountable to them. That that's a rough start to any relationship. One more herd the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search herd to listen live or on demand, whenever you'd like.

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J. Mac with the news.

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[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herdline news.

[J. Mac]

Colin, let's get started with a shocker. In the NFL The Carolina Panthers, who have been horrendous for years, are favored for the first time in two years.

[Colin Cowherd]

Wow.

[J. Mac]

They are two and a half point favorites against Dallas. They've been getting money so far the last couple days, which I'm still stunned by.

[John Middlekoff]

Now.

[J. Mac]

Dallas is coming off the Monday Night Football loss, right?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[J. Mac]

And they lost overshown, the really good promising defender who was kind of a heartbeat of that team. So things are working against. Against the Cowboys, I'll just say this, Mike McCarthy, I know he doesn't have a contract going forward. Khan, he's gotten his guys up for every game. They've fallen apart in some second half, but in the first half of every game, they are showing up fighting and.

[Colin Cowherd]

He'S doing it with a backup quarterback.

[J. Mac]

You can't say that for like the Bears who rolled over like dogs. Okay. The jets have just been embarrassed in the first half of the game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jets played their best game of the season.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, against Miami.

[Colin Cowherd]

I thought they really played well.

[J. Mac]

A lot of these teams are. You're seeing just no shows first half. Like Tennessee's given up 35 points. You know, Jacksonville doesn't have anything. Cowboys are fighting. I don't know what to do with this. I kind of think you take Dallas if you're getting three points. Are you betting?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I mean, I don't think Carolina is good enough to surrender points to anybody. So if it got to three, Dallas is absolutely the play. But I, I would argue I've watched Carolina like you have. They're always a corner TV team. But the Philadelphia game, I watched them and my take is Bryce Young, his ability to slide in the pocket, throw the ball accurately and move. Carolina looks like, you know, and we talked about this. Geno was reborn. Darnold reborn. Baker reborn with a right, you know, Liam Cohen down for Baker. Kevin O'Connell for Darnold. And Grub in Seattle, the guy from University of Washington, the Seahawks, you look at that new coach in Carolina.

[J. Mac]

Canales knows his.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's working. It is absolutely working. Bryce Young will get at least one more year and looks. He can move. I like his movement.

[J. Mac]

There's something there.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, I talked to his high school coach, Mark Sanchez and I were at an event and the high school coach of Bryce Young was there and I asked him, like, modern day best player you've ever had in high school. And he named two and Bryce Young was the other one. And I was like, you've had 100 Division 1 players. And he's like, Bryce Young was different.

[J. Mac]

Hopefully rebounds next Story is Matt Stafford. Colin, he's on a bit of a heater lately. Now, if you remember last December, he also got hot, helped propel the Rams to the playoffs. 10 touchdowns, no picks during a four game winning, four game streak this year. Stafford. Stafford is cooking once again. 10 touchdowns in his last four games. Hasn't thrown a pick in a month. Stafford talked about protecting the football.

[John Middlekoff]

Every pick kind of has its own story, but yeah, just trying to keep our team in it as best I can, be as disciplined as I can while still being, you know, aggressive and giving our guys opportunities to make plays because they're doing a great job of that for me right now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Every interception has its own story. How true is that? That's really true. You know what's happened with him? Remember when they played Chicago earlier this year? He had a really bad pick. It was a really ugly pick. And Manto has been one of those guys because he's so aggressive he can give you an ugly clunker. Like Mahomes will give you one about once every three weeks. You're like, ooh, that's brutal. Josh Allen can throw one, but when you get him upright. And their offensive line is finally mostly healthy. Now, their first draft pick is probably going to be an offensive tackle. But when you give Stafford time, I think people forget. Here's what's working for stafford. I get McVeigh, Tyron Williams, Cooper Cup, Puka, Nakua, like that's. If I said to you, head coach, quarterback, top two weapons, running back, I would put the Rams in a very, very Philadelphia Eagles elite group. If I just said again, coach, quarterback, running back, two weapons.

[J. Mac]

Rams are Rams because their coach is vastly superior to Seattle.

[Colin Cowherd]

So that's my thing when people sell the Rams. This is an offensive league and they are five star at key position. Left tackle, they're hit and miss. Right tackle, they're great.

[J. Mac]

The Lions or the Rams with that?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I get the best left tackle arguably in football and a good quarterback.

[J. Mac]

And two backs, you're just doing two weapons.

[Colin Cowherd]

I would say Detroit's won because I think, I think Dan Campbell's proven himself. Goff isn't Stafford, but he's good. Best left tackle, best running back, tandem. And Amaron Saint Brown is great. I think Detroit's got, I mean, Penn.

[J. Mac]

I've just got to lean McVeigh over Campbell.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's okay. I'm good with it. But they're both excellent.

[J. Mac]

Yeah. Final story is. Oh, NBA. Spicy story here. So the Miami Heat are reportedly listening to offers for Jimmy Butler, AKA Jimmy Buckets.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[J. Mac]

Six time all stars agent has told people around the league Butler would prefer to join. Wait for it, Colin. The Warriors, Mavericks or Rockets. And if you're watching Jimmy Butler dominate, he took the heat to the finals twice. This guy is a. I would worry about his age. 35.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think he fits the warriors, but I would. They have to get rid of that Wiggins deal then move off Wiggins in a heartbeat. Well, I think where he fits, actually, if you're asking me where he fits, it's Dallas by a mile. Because he's in the low elite defensive player.

[J. Mac]

He's got the blue braids now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, he does he really? Yeah.

[J. Mac]

And blue.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, he is a color of the Mavericks. Dallas is a championship team. Dallas can go toe to toe with Boston if you give him Jimmy Butler.

[J. Mac]

Well, you got who you move off off. There you get. You're not moving off Kyrie, you're not moving off Clay. Obviously not Luca.

[Colin Cowherd]

That is a boy. If he goes to Dallas, that is a roster, that is a squad.

[J. Mac]

Because in the playoffs it's basically your top seven or eight guys play. That's it. You know, you don't need depth.

[Colin Cowherd]

That is a squad. You got to give up a. You got to give up draft picks. Pat Riley loves draft pick up Lively. Probably. Yeah. But he doesn't get paid anything. So you gotta give up money somewhere.

[J. Mac]

And they have banned.

[Colin Cowherd]

Would you move Clay?

[J. Mac]

I don't think they're doing that.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think they would.

[J. Mac]

Well, what is Miami doing with Klay Thompson?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, not going anywhere.

[J. Mac]

You're right. They want picks and they probably want young guys. I interesting.

[Colin Cowherd]

Gotta have matching salary somewhere.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, that's why they pay those guys the big bucks.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[J. Mac]

Front office guys.

[Colin Cowherd]

J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lies. One of the really good games this week is red hot. Tampa Bay and Baker at the Chargers and Justin Herbert. Mark Sanchez will be doing that Sunday, 4 Eastern on Fox. And Mark joins us now live as he is prone to do. We love him. He's also going to have some good Jalen hurt stuff because it's interesting. Green Bay and Philadelphia are now run first teams despite having enormous talent. Let me. Let me ask you about this. I said this the other day. I think Rex Ryan back to the jets fits because I think they need a culture guy. And Rex is loud and he doesn't care what you think. And you can't whimper into New York. But now Harbaugh's personality is quirkier. But similarly authentic. He has taken the same defense, the same dudes, and now you're starting looking at film for your game. Bucks Chargers. Is it a schematic thing like how can you take worst of first Mark? Explain that.

[John Middlekoff]

It happens every year. It seems to, at least in one of the divisions. Some team just surprises everybody. And then it's the sustainability of that surprise and their resurgence. But I think when it comes to the Chargers and Jim Harbaugh, it's important to look at their schedule. They're beating up or winning the games that they should win.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[John Middlekoff]

And they're getting quality wins right then in the big time games. Maybe against Baltimore, maybe against Kansas City.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[John Middlekoff]

They're competitive.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[John Middlekoff]

Till the end. They're not getting blown off the map. So now you're building this equity, sweat equity and confidence equity, if you will, with that staff, with the players. You give them a little bit, they see success, they want to go back to that. Well, hey, give me more, coach me harder. Teach me something new. Give me the big picture. They are completely bought in. And you can tell now the ball is going to bounce one way or the other.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sure.

[John Middlekoff]

Do I think they have the roster to win the super bowl this year? Yeah, that'd be a stretch, I feel. A real stretch, you know. But that doesn't mean their next step has to be Super Bowl. I mean, if they get into the playoffs, if they beat out Denver for this wild card in the ASC West. Cause the Chiefs already got it right. If they can be a wild card team and get in the playoffs, you never know. Go back to 2009. We weren't supposed to go to the playoffs. We went to bed after losing to Atlanta. We thought we were out of the playoffs. The very next day we showed up at the facility and Rex said, hey, we're winning, we're in. We're like, whoa, we got in. And not only did we get in, we won two.

[Colin Cowherd]

Wow.

[John Middlekoff]

So the Chargers could easily do that. You get somebody, somebody sustains a big injury before the bye week. You know, there's a lot of things that can happen. So just getting in that tournament is really the next rung on the ladder for them. Yeah. And they got some good games down the stretch.

[Colin Cowherd]

The, you know, it's. I asked Josh McDaniel this. I said, we always look at winning close games as valuable. And I said, but it could be exhausting. First of all, when you win close games, it's very celebratory. You know, at halftime, the Lions, half the time, they're just Trying to eat the clock and get back on the flight.

[John Middlekoff]

A lot of four minute offense prep.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. So I look at Kansas City and I think, okay, here's the upside, they're winning. And then I'm like, that's a lot of crisis management is, I mean go to the team in your New York team was a lot of close, tough, physical, grueling wins. Does that wear on you?

[John Middlekoff]

It's definitely becomes an endurance issue. How long can you take it? And don't forget they're on an incredible run right now. Right. Of the last few years. So they're seasoned longer. Everybody else starts working out the couple weeks after their season ends and these guys don't get to even start. They're, they're trying to cool down from a red hot season every year. So the longevity of the season is an issue. It becomes an endurance issue. How long can you sustain it? But the other side of the coin, if I'm Andy Reid and I know this is, I could all but guarantee this is how he's spinning it. They're getting more live high speed action, reps at game management, critical situations on the call sheet. It's ghi gotta have it like this is, this is it. This is your chance to throw that ball. Quarterback, fourth down, doesn't matter, has to get airborne. Give your guys a chance. I mean this is what you dream of as a kid. These are the situations you draw up in the backyard. I mean, oh, we got three seconds left, we got one play to win it. They get it every week. How do we manage the clock? How do we handle all these situations? And if you're looking for a silver lining, these guys are going to be experts. All of them. All the players by now can like reteach from their film the last seven or eight games and just go through the end of game situation as if they were the coach prepping the team for that. That's, there's something to be said for that because you can tell when it comes down to it, when it's got to have it. These dudes are all on the same page and it's because they have so many reps at it.

[Colin Cowherd]

You had a unique situation where you only knew Pete Carroll as a college coach, but he had been in the NFL.

[John Middlekoff]

Oh yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Belichick to Carolina. Now Pete is different. Pete has the energy of like when you had him of a 24 year old, now it's of a 34 year old.

[John Middlekoff]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's not Belichick. He's not as charismatic as Pete Is. And Pete just walks into a room and owns it in the gum, chewing it, frenetic, whatever. But. But what? When you were at USC and you didn't know the NFL at the point, but you'd gone to a great legendary high school, what did Pete bring from the NFL to college that you thought really worked? Did you feel like this is a pro coach and not a college guy?

[John Middlekoff]

Well, I didn't totally know the difference, to be fair at that point. I hadn't seen what that next level was like. But he brought so much energy and charisma that you alluded to. I think the other thing too is these kids, we want to be coached, the good ones, the good programs find kids that want to be groomed into the best player they can be and set them up for the next level. And it felt like Pete was doing that for us. He also had that added aspect of. And I know Michael Irvin alluded to this when he spoke about Deion Sanders, but that fatherly or figure of wisdom Pete had that. Yeah, absolutely. Because he's not just a coach, he's a teacher. I'm not going to teach you this just for football, but these, you know, principles I'm teaching you about the hard work, being on time, no whining, no complaining, team first attitude that's going to help you in life whether you never play another down again. You know what I mean? So you got a lot of that.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Pete was given.

[John Middlekoff]

And I think Coach Belichick has that as well. I think bottom line to this college football deal is I don't care if it's Belichick and it's hard nosed and there's, you know, this emotionless existence and all we're about is winning football games. Now, I think that's an exaggerated take on who he is, but he's more that than Pete and the happy sunshine, rainbow stuff. Okay, fine. The bottom line to this college football thing is are they going to invest enough money in paying these players? You either put money in the well of players. I'm dressed to go coach North Carolina right now. If you give me $100 million, I guarantee you I'll get a competitive roster together. And I don't know how to coach. Yeah, I'd find some guys who do. Now, I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying you have opportunities if you use the resources or allow them to have the resources. So as much as they're trying to figure out like is he a good fit or not, shoot these. Some of These kids don't really care. I want to get coached. I want to go to the NFL. He's got experience with that. He knows how to coach. How much am I making? That's what it turns into.

[Colin Cowherd]

So before we go to the break, Jalen hurt stuff, I want to ask you something I said the other day that I don't look at the recruiting day like I used to because the Portal is about 30% of your roster. So my take is college football is the NFL.

[John Middlekoff]

No salary cap, everybody's on a one year deal and no NFL pa, no players association.

[Colin Cowherd]

But I am a little concerned and I hear this from my contacts at usc. Lincoln's inability to really get any coalition among Southern California kids. Bama this year.

[John Middlekoff]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Got more Southern California kids than usc. Does that concern you?

[John Middlekoff]

Well, I think if you're going to be a powerhouse in Southern California, you got to own California when it comes to recruiting. Back in the days when Pete Carroll was recruiting this state and I remember Ed Ozeron talking about it and when he'd even see other coaches show up at LAX when they're going to poach, when our coaches from SC are going to poach players from other, he would just ask him, what are you doing here? You're on vacation. They're like, no, we're going to modern day. We're going to Mission Viejo to go look at some players. He's like, for what? They're coming to sc, dude. Like, you must be on vacation. They ain't going to you. So that was the whole thing, right? We had California locked down. The craziest part to me is like when I'd get letters from some of these schools, I didn't know where, you know, Tuscaloosa, Alabama was on a map. I'm sorry, I just didn't. Yeah, I came from SoCal. Maybe that's on me. Fine. But geographically, I didn't know where Clemson in South Carolina. What? Like I didn't know what state Clemson was in. The fact that these guys are going from Southern California to somewhere that they can't even point out on a map in Alabama, I mean, that's mind boggling to me, but that's the way it's been. Those teams have been better. We went through the sanctions. A lot of coaching turnover. There's a lot of factors there. Bottom line is if you're going to be competitive, if you just lock down the top recruits in California, you're competitive in the season right away. Think about it. Two years of the best kids in California all 20 of them have to come to your school. I'd take it against the rest of the country any day. Just like Texas would, just like Florida would. And there'd be. You'd have a legitimate chance to win ball games based on talent alone. Purely talent. So if we're losing those guys also to these other places, then what I.

[Colin Cowherd]

Always feel recruiting local kids, the advantage is mom and dad are in town.

[John Middlekoff]

Oh, it's nice.

[Colin Cowherd]

And they read the paper.

[John Middlekoff]

It's, it's a wonderful thing. But some kids just want to get away.

[Colin Cowherd]

I get it.

[John Middlekoff]

And some it's a better situation somewhere else. Sure. You know what I mean. And also, hey, I could always come back to SC because there's this thing called the Portal, and if it doesn't work out in year one somewhere else, then I'll just go right back. But you see the amount of players that we're getting from California, it's on a steady decline and then a sharp decline towards the end. So I think there's, that's a real point of emphasis. You got to find the best players in California. You got to make them commit to making this school what it, what it can be.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, we take a break. Come back with Mark some Jalen Hurt stuff. I can't wait for it. Next live in la, the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal. Did you know the PayPal debit card now earns you 5% cash back in the monthly category of your choosing? Groceries, health, restaurants, beauty, gas and apparel in up to $1,000 of monthly purchases. On top of that, you can get cash back offers within the app from brands like DoorDash, Sephora and Instacart. It's like having a little extra in your pocket every month. I'm using PayPal debit card to earn 5% cash back on apparel. With my travel schedule, I'm on the go. Sometimes I have to buy clothes online. It's the new normal. Just sign up for the PayPal debit card through the new app and you're ready to go. Download the new PayPal app. Sign up Start earning 5% cash back today. Don't just pay PayPal terms and limits apply. See paypal.com rewardspal Cashback earned as points redeemable for cash and other options on up to $1,000 spend per month. The PayPal Debit Mastercard is issued by the Bancor Bank N A pursuant to license by MasterCard International, Inc. And may be used everywhere. MasterCard is accepted as we gather together.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, the ball is in Belichick's court. Carolina is working to close the deal on him. So if Bill Belichick wants it and signs it Belichick to Carolina. Not sure it's going to work, but I think it's going to be fascinating. I will watch Carolina football.

[John Middlekoff]

I'm dressed for the part with my Carolina blue coach. Belichick. I'm here. You know, Nothing against Josh McDaniels, but I'm here. Maybe I could be the quarterback coach. He'll be the boom signal caller.

[Colin Cowherd]

There you go. Okay, I got two pieces of tape I want to show. Let's spend at least one minute on this. AJ Brown unhappy, called out by a teammate with Jalen Hertz. But they're running more, yet they're winning more and the offense is more efficient. What do you do?

[John Middlekoff]

I think it's good problems to have. I'd prefer to handle a lot of this stuff in house. Yeah, especially in that market. Poor Bob Lang, the PR guy from from Philly is working overtime, I'm sure this week. So I feel for that. And I think the unhappiness or frustration for this stuff is the lack of execution on a couple different fronts. But mainly when the quarterback is dropping back to pass. I think there's a couple miscues and a little bit of a misfire here or there. And he's showing that a lot of his demeanor and eyes and footwork and timing are usually in the right place. But the ball's not coming out okay. And so it's a little frustrating for, for the receivers is kind of what I'm gathering based on the emotional media side and then the, you know, cutthroat execution tape. So when we go to this tape.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let'S go to it.

[John Middlekoff]

I think it's important to understand how these reads really work. And for Jalen, there is such thing as a pure progression where no matter what I'm going one through five or a pre snap look where you need to know the down and Distance is third and eight. Okay, the defense is going to show me a look and I have to start my progress question. Either to the right or to the left, whatever I'm, you know, breaking down. Am I working the isolation side or the combination side? Either to DeVontae Smith or not. So he sees man to man, he's looking first at Devonte Smith or Devonte? Yeah, DevonTae Smith. Excuse me. They're going to double him. They're going to play Cloud to his side. The corner is going to bump up. The safety is going to take half the field. So he's doubled. The safeties on the other side are playing quarters. Each of them have a quarter of the field. I'm going to work the trip side in my read. I'm going to work to the right instead of working to devonte. So devonte's dead to me. I'm working this whole combination up top. You're working Calcaterra down the middle. If you love it, great. If not, cool. Devonte's dead. He's got doubled, right. So we've established that he's out. Now Calcaterra is my alert down the middle alive during split safety. You could argue he could rip this ball to Calcutera on this play and have a huge explosive pass the next guy in the slot. He's just running for the love of the game, clearing it out for who really is number one outside AJ Brown. The next progression after you check your alert, you don't like it, you go A.J. brown to the halfback as soon as he gets his football. Watch his feet. He's throwing a 14 yard hinge route or a Harvey on the outside of number three right to A.J. brown. I'd prefer a three hitch and throw. He wants to go quick, five eyes to the right spot. He's got his eyes on number one. He's determined from this pre snap. Look, I'm going to throw it and then the ball doesn't come out. Okay, fine. If you don't like it, that's okay. I'd argue rip that ball off three steps and a hitch. If you don't like it. That's what the back's for. That is what the back's for. Dump it to him, inside shoulder. He splits the two. First down, Fly. Eagles fly well, okay, we're going to run out and do these trick shot throws on the edge and make life really hard. Now this is where you get away with it, right? He, he makes up for it because he either scrambles for the first down or he Makes a throw like this, right? And it looks everything's fine. Well, let's go to this next clip. Okay. They end up scoring on that drive. Let's go to the end of the first half. Yeah, I'm trying to double up on points. I'm trying to kick a field goal at worst, then get the ball in the third quarter, which they were going to do. And now we jump this team, we lap them. Okay, where's this safety going? It's another pre snap. Look. Now this is quick game, so there's no check down and he's got man to man across the board.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[John Middlekoff]

Okay, great. Well, how are they going to play the middle of the field? Because I need to know, am I working to the left or to the right? They're going to cut this read in half. So Jalen's looking at the back, looking at the two backers. He knows it's man to man. How are they playing the middle? They're going to banjo the back. That means whichever side the back goes to, that backer is going to take him. The other guy fill in. Now when you do that, since the back is displaced left and then goes right, there goes the backer up top with him. He's got to take him. He's coming to my side. He's mine. Boom. This other backer fills in. There's nobody in the middle of the field. So now you got two in breaking routes versus off coverage, man to man, inside leverage. And you got two top 10 receivers on the left side of the field that are ready for this. You have a great call here. You have two in breaking routes versus off inside coverage, man to man, work it inside out. Catch left foot, right foot, ball is out to number one inside to number two outside. That's it. Now watch them again from the slot. There goes Devontae Smith. You don't like that? Okay, fine. Even if you make the argument that you don't like that throw, you felt this guy triggering. Okay, great. There's no excuse why this ball doesn't go to A.J. brown. I don't understand. I genuinely don't understand. And he's. He's done these plays before. I've seen him execute it on film. I could show you 20 clips so he's doing it right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Confidence.

[John Middlekoff]

I don't know if it's a confidence thing. I don't know if it's a short circuit thing. I don't know what it is. But when you go back and look at this and then he has to jump up and just Throw the ball away. This time devontae wasn't available for the special scramble splash play.

[Colin Cowherd]

Those are.

[John Middlekoff]

So now it looks terrible. The other one would have looked as bad if he didn't complete the ball.

[Colin Cowherd]

So he's got open guys.

[John Middlekoff]

There's guys open. And so when, you know, A.J. brown makes the knee jerk reaction, emotional response, which I wish he wouldn't have, but it's clear what he's talking about is stuff like this. And it's not just him, there's other guys open too. The ball should have gone to Saquon Barkley. The ball could have gone to devontae Smith inside. It's not just one guy. And so listen, is this stuff fixable? Absolutely. But it's, you know, at some point you got to cut that ball loose. Just let it go. Jalen, you know the reads, you know the footwork, you know where your eyes are supposed to go. Cut it loose. Hayes in the barn. You know what to do. Show me. Just let the ball out of your hand. Because he's accurate enough, he's strong enough, he makes those splash plays like it's all there for him. And so I think they're just frustrated that, I mean, they could be blowing teams out with like two or three more plays that are executed a little bit better. We're talking a little bit better. And they're beaten teams by 14, 21 points. So it's, I think that's where this team has to make a jump and, you know, fix those issues relationally and execution wise.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, finally a minute and a half left. Belichick looks like the ball is in his court according to Adam Schefter. J. Mac, you think Belichick's going to succeed at Carolina? I do not. Long term, I mean, year one. I think long term term. It doesn't feel right to me. You're yay, I'm nay. You land.

[John Middlekoff]

How much do we have in the NIL slush fund? Then I'll say yes or no.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[John Middlekoff]

Because if it's 50 million plus or whatever, these big time schools are 7, 500. Yes. For the record, the hard yes. Are they going to be SMU or not? Where did SMU come from? Ni they just suddenly won a bunch of games. Where did all those players come from? Oh my God. They locked down all their home talent. It's crazy.

[J. Mac]

Okay, no, Indiana came out of nowhere. Just transfer portal nil.

[Colin Cowherd]

It can be done.

[John Middlekoff]

I'm gimme the number and I'll tell you yes or no. Carolina.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's what's disturbing about USC. Their collective is up to 18 million annually, and they're 6 and 6.

[John Middlekoff]

So the other teams Where's Georgia? Where's Texas? Where's Ohio State?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, they were at 18. They may be at 20 now. I'm just saying. That's what I'm hearing.

[John Middlekoff]

I think they'd be way north of that, but I don't know.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. Yeah. Okay. So Bill Belichick. It's going to be Back to College, that Rodney Dangerfield movie. It's Back Bills, Back to College. I don't know. Listen, I'm in the interesting business. I'm watching their games.

[John Middlekoff]

Oh, 100%. I'm watching it just because of him.

[Colin Cowherd]

There's no question. Yeah, find me Raycom Sports. I need an ACC game on my television set. Thanks, Mark. We'll see you tomorrow. The Herd this podcast is sponsored by PayPal. Now here's the kicker. The PayPal debit card earns you 5% cash back in a monthly category of your Choice, up to $1,000 of monthly purchases. So groceries, health and beauty, gas, apparel, restaurants. On top of that, you can get cash back offers within the app from brands like DoorDash, Instacart, Sephora. This month, it's all about that apparel. I got a crazy schedule. I shop online a lot. Snag a suit here or there, fresh gear. 5% cash back adds up fast, and signing up is easy. Just Download the new PayPal app to sign up and you're ready to start earning cash back on your everyday purchases. Pay smart, Earn cash back. Enjoy peace of mind with a PayPal debit card. Don't just pay PayPal terms apply. See PayPal app cash back earned as points you can redeem for cash and other options. This card, issued by the Bancorp and a pursuant to license by MasterCard International, Inc. Join iHeartMedia Chairman and CEO Bob Pittman for a special episode of the hit podcast Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing as he interviews the iconic and prolific Martha Stewart in front of a live audience in celebration of her 100th book.

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