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Colin Cowherd
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Mark Sanchez
Now let's get this party started.
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Jason McIntyre
You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. Welcome back. Our number three here on the herd, Jason McIntyre called up from the minors into the big chair. Cal Herd not feeling great earlier in the show. If you're watching first hour he will likely be back tomorrow. I think he's listed as questionable on the injury report with flu like symptoms but he'll probably be fine. He picked a good day to miss because I get to just blast off on Luca. Lakers. Oh, the excitement is palpable, people. How about that alliteration. So we're obviously going to do more on Luca and we'll do some super bowl stuff here in 30 minutes with Mark Sanchez, aka Sanchez, former jets quarterback. But first let's let's tap into Rick Buker, Fox Sports NBA analyst. You guys know I've known Rick for many years. We love to go toe to toe on battles. It's always fun. But I think we're kind of in alignment here. Lakers obviously win the deal long term. Mavs awesome potential short term. Rick, give me what you got. Luka to the Lakers. Do you love it or hate it?
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Rick Bucher
I love it. I love it. One just because it it adds a tremendous amount of drama to this season. I believe that it makes the more of a championship caliber team and we're seeing something that we've never seen before which is a team making a decision not involving LeBron James and basically saying we've got your replacement and we are turning the page. That's what the move in getting Luka Doncic has done for the Lakers and I think it's a brilliant move because Anthony Davis was not that type of guy in terms of being your alpha and the guy that you build around so they move him on. And yet if you look at the Dallas Mavericks and the way they're constituted and you add Anthony Davis to the vehicle that Luka drove to the finals and I look at the landscape of the NBA, I love the fact that Nico Harrison said, you know what, I'm not buying that Luka Doncic, he might have been able to get us to the finals last year but then was not able to seal the deal, I don't know that that's going to change. I like the way my team is playing and if I can get a guy who's playing at a defensive player of the year level and is one of the Best bigs in the league. I think that could be the difference maker for us winning a championship. So I love that he put. He was fearless in making this happen, and he's put it all on himself. He's like, J kid. I didn't. I didn't confer with J kid. I didn't talk to any other teams. I told my owner and I went and did this. So we'll see if it works out. But I love that Nico gave it a go.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, we'll get to the Mav stuff in a sec. But you just said something interesting on. On the Lakers and LeBron is they're ready to turn the page on LeBron. If I'm LeBron, I'm looking at this team and I'm like, okay, we're pretty good, right? Max Christie's a starter now. We're top five in the West. Like, things are good, but I don't know if we're winning a title. And it's still my team, my franchise. I know AD has been amazing, but, Rick, on some level, LeBron has to look at this and step back and say, like, wow, the end really is near. He's got next. I've got a ride shotgun to him. That's a totally different mindset than LeBron's ever had, probably since he was like a youth athlete and dominating leagues. Like, I don't know that he's ever not been the alpha and the North Star for his team.
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Rick Bucher
I don't know that he's ever faced this at any level, at any age. This is a first, and that's what makes it so startling. You know, everybody's looking at it and saying, well, Nico Harrison basically said that I don't think I can win a championship with Luka Doncic, especially if I have to pay him $70 million a year. And he has to be actually better at both ends than he has been to this point. But Rob Pelinka quietly said the same thing. As you pointed out, they just beat the New York Knicks in Madison Square Garden. They're a game out of the fourth seed. And yet Rob Pelinka essentially said to LeBron James, I don't think you and the team as constituted, are capable of winning another championship. I have an opportunity to go get my next superstar. I'm going to go ahead and do that, and I'm going to do it without asking your permission.
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Jason McIntyre
I have to ask, from a Lakers standpoint, Rick, do you believe they are done? They were able to retain one of their first round picks? I believe 2031, they did not give up Austin Reaves, although Max Christie has been pretty good. I think that's a good get by Dallas. He'll be in the rotation. He might start. I don't know. I just, I wonder, do the Lakers have another move to get some kind of rim protector? I floated Clint Capella, Claxton, Miles Turner might be tougher as the Pacers look pretty good. But your thoughts on the Lakers making another move?
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Rick Bucher
Yeah, I could see them making another move. I don't know what the actual value of an Austin Reaves or Rui Hachimura is out there in terms of upgrading. I would expect that they're going to look to add a defensive center. Are they going to add a defensive center who is going to be good enough to to elevate this team from where it was? No, they're not. Because they're not going to get somebody who's better than Anthony Davis. Okay. Anthony Davis was playing at a defensive player of the year level and we know what he's capable of doing offensively. So they're not going to get someone of that caliber. And they needed someone of that caliber just to be a mediocre defensive team. The other part is if you got Luka and LeBron, presumably you're going to have both of them on the floor. This isn't going to be trading off. This isn't. Luka's going to take Austin's minutes. It's going to be something a little more elaborate than that. And that means that you're going to have two defensively compromised guys who essentially do all the same things and are best sort of playing the same position, point forward on the floor at the same time. And I just. Offensively, I think we're going to see some amazing highlights, but defensively they're going to be a sieve.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, but Nico Harrison of the Mavs said defense wins championships. You know that's not true. Three point shooting wins championships. Superstars win championships. Like again, I agree sort of on your take with Dallas and being good in the short term. But Rick, they're also cratering right now without Luke and Lively. They're, I believe, ninth in the west and they're a two week Kyrie injury away from missing the playoffs altogether. Are you sure this defense wins championships mantra, do you think that still applies to today's NBA?
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Rick Bucher
I do believe that defense is still a big part of winning. Obviously three point shooting is an element, but there's one other element that's critical here and that is one of the big reasons why Nico wasn't willing to bet $345 million on Luka Doncic, and that is that to win a championship, your best player has to be your hardest worker. You cannot find me an NBA team in the history of the league that has won a championship where the best player was not the hardest worker, whether it was LeBron, Steph, go down the line. And that's what they were facing, which is that Luka Doncic doesn't play hard on defense, doesn't work hard to condition himself, and just went to the Finals and got exposed for those two things and came back this season with it having no impact on how he approached it. So I believe that seeing that suggested to them that, well, what's the chance that if we give him $345 million, that that's going to motivate him. If going to the Finals and missing out on winning a ring didn't motivate him. So that combination with the fact that if you look at the teams, the top teams in the west that they've played this year, they have lost to them with Luka Doncic, and they have beaten them without Luka. And I think that that was one of the elements that they looked at and said, hey, we have a chance. We have a really good team. Kyrie has elevated into the leader that he always hoped that, or at least told us that he hoped he could be. And we can add a guy who's playing at a defensive player of the year level and is as dynamic as Anthony Davis has demonstrated himself to be this season. I'd rather take a shot at winning a championship in the next year or two than commit $70 million a year to Luka Doncic. Because that's the other element here that's brand new to the league, which is the fact that a little bit like quarterbacks in the NFL, the price has gotten so high that you question, can I build the rest of my team to get where I want to go? Yes, I have a quarterback. Yes, I have a superstar player, but I don't have the means to put the rest of the pieces around them in order to play for a championship. Anthony Davis, for what he's making is. And the fact that they'll have. In two years, they'll have cap flexibility gives Nico Harrison both things. It gives them an opportunity, a better opportunity to chase a championship right now, and he gives himself cap flexibility in the future, which we see so many teams. Philadelphia 76ers with Joel Embiid, the New Orleans Pelicans with Zion Williamson. All these teams that have taken stars, injury prone stars and give them a boatload of money and now they find themselves stuck.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, so I need to push back a little on the. Luka, you know I would.
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Rick Bucher
You would not be J. Mac and this would not be one of our segments if you didn't. I just.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen, I'm a Luca guy. I've been saying for like the last five years at this network once with you on, on the Old Undisputed, that I think Luka the best player in the NBA. I know he hasn't always been given the appearance of the hardest worker, but let's not like act like he's like Zion Williamson, some slob who's just eating his way out of the NBA. He's not there. And when he does want to lock in defensively, he can. He just doesn't do it often. And I know there's like this, okay, he's, he's out of shape and he doesn't play defense. He carried them to the finals. Kyrie Irving ain't a one. You know that Rick. He's a great two. He is not a leader. Your new leader in Dallas is Kyrie Irving. That's a little troubling if you ask me.
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Rick Bucher
I for sure, based on Kyrie's track record, I will give you that. But I also know that guys love playing playing with him.
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Jason McIntyre
They do.
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Rick Bucher
And quietly. You were talking about the rumbling earlier. Like I've heard rumblings that guys aren't in love with playing with Luka. Now I've heard that about a lot of superstar players from complimentary players and if they can get you to a ring, the complimentary players will put up with that. That was the failing here in that Luka was able to get him there, but he wasn't able to close the deal. And you are absolutely right. Look, he's 25 years old, he's got really bad habits. Is there the possibility that he's going to mature? Well, there's an even greater possibility now that he's been traded to la and I'm sure that's going to be fuel to the fire. He wants to prove everybody wrong and he very may well do that. But there was no indication that that was going to happen in Dallas. So can this blow up? Can this backfire on Nico and the Dallas Mavericks? Absolutely it can in a multitude of ways. But he was basically looking at everything that's happened with signing young stars who are injury prone to these massive supermax contracts. And he said, I'm not willing to go there because I have an Anthony Davis that I can add to a team that went to the finals last year. The league is wide open. It gives me two years to try to win a ring. I don't have to commit $345 million this summer to continue going this direction. I'm going to go ahead and do it and we'll see. We'll see whether it works. I just, as a fan enjoying the drama of the NBA, I love that this happened because now we get to watch the LeBron Luka show and whether that can work or not and whether Nico bet wisely on Anthony Davis being able to do what Luka couldn't. Yeah. In Dallas. I can't guarantee you what's going to happen. I just know that I'm going to be watching every minute.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, one more Lakers Mass. Before we move to the next topic, I don't have the exact timetable because this was like seven years ago, but when the Celtics had Kyrie Irving, True or false, Rick? Didn't Boston really covet Anthony Davis because they wanted to pair him with Kyrie in Boston? And there was all this chatter, should they trade Brown or Tatum or picks? Because they had a bunch of picks and they never could end up getting those two together. There is a world where I believe the NBA loves this idea of Kyrie and AD great defender, dynamic offensive score playing together. They do have Klay Thompson. I'm not in love with like Quentin Grimes. I like Lively. I just don't know if this is going to work out as great. I hear you gassing up the Mavs. I saw. I saw Charles Barkley, who hates me, promoting the Mavs as the second best team in the West. Now I'm like, guys, let's just slow down. But the Kyrie AD thing, this has been cooking up for a while, right?
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Rick Bucher
Yeah, Boston did have interest in Anthony Davis. I don't know if it was specifically to pair with Kyrie Irving as much as it was having an inside outside and Anthony Davis being available. So yeah, there's been. I mean, look, this is the model for chasing a championship is having that dynamic big and that electric wing or point guard in order to balance the floor and have an inside outside game. But I look at the rest of the Dallas Mavericks. Look, you may not be excited about them, but I'm not going to give Luka Doncic all of the credit. And in fact, the one thing that we're missing here, and I think that Mavs fans are not taking full understanding of is the fact that Luka was not. For all of his ability, Luka never got to the finals until Nico Harrison showed up and he hired Jason Kidd and he made trades for Daniel Gafford, P.J. washington, and he drafted Derek Lively. He was the one who built a team around Luka Doncic that was capable of going to the finals. So if Nico is saying, you know what? I think I can take the last step. If I switch out Luka for Anthony Davis and Max Christie, then I'm going to at least give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to demonstrate that he's right once that's fair.
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Jason McIntyre
Luka was like 23. I mean, Jordan wasn't sniffing the playoffs barely at 20, couldn't get out of the first round. Luka was at least.
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Rick Bucher
How did you feel about the Kyrie Irving deal? Did you think that that was going to work?
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Jason McIntyre
I thought it was high risk, high reward.
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Rick Bucher
Nico did.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Most people thought, like, that's probably not gonna work. They did miss the playoffs, remember, Initially.
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Rick Bucher
Nico has made to this point, he's.
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Jason McIntyre
Done some good things. Now, listen, one of the producers here was telling me he's the one who screwed up the Steph Curry deal at Nike where they totally botched the presentation. Like a story was written about it. So, like, he's not infallible. Let's not give him all the credit. However, we got to move on. Two more quick ones, Rick. Too hot. Take here, dear. And Fox and Wembanyama are like the 6, 7 seed, and they take down Houston or Memphis or somebody in the first round. Can that happen?
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Rick Bucher
No, they're not. They're not ready for that. Darren Fox is not ready for that. Victor Wembanyama is not ready for that. The Houston Rockets are young and they're probably the most vulnerable of the top seeds simply because of a lack of experience. There's. But I don't want to go that far. The De'Aaron Fox acquisition by the San Antonio spurs is very interesting because one of the knocks on De'Aaron Fox is that he does not compete or play hard all the time. Immensely talented, but his focus and his attention to detail and how hard he plays kind of up and down, that does not fly in San Antonio. So they're either going to cure him of that, or they believe they can cure him of that or. Or they're going to die trying. That's the element that I want to see, is whether they can get the most out of Darren Fox's talent.
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Jason McIntyre
Fair enough. And finally, Rick, there's some rumblings about the Golden State Warriors. We don't want to really get in the Jimmy Butler business. Jimmy Butler won't sign an extension there. And a name is starting to emerge that Kevin Durant may not be long for the Phoenix Suns. It appears as if they cannot move off Bradley Beal. That contract is onerous. Nobody wants it.
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Rick Bucher
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And if the Suns are going to do anything, they're not trading D Book. He's their guy, drafted him. Maybe Kevin Durant has a lot of value and they move off of him. Do you think there's any world where Kevin Durant ends up back in Golden State with Draymond and Steph Curry?
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Rick Bucher
I will just say this. When the LUCA ad trade went down, I was on my phone, I'm texting with a bunch of different GMs, executives, scouts, and one GM texted me the warriors wish list, which was. And it was, they're waiting for someone. That's what he was telling me. He goes, the warriors are waiting for a player. And he was speculating. And the list that he gave me, in this order, in order of preference, was KD, Jimmy Butler, Zach LaVine. Zach LaVine is off the table, obviously, now in Sacramento. Jimmy Butler. I know that the warriors would love to acquire him. I don't know if his reluctance to sign an extension throws water on that, but I was surprised by the KD name being at the top of the list. And now that I've thought about it, much like I thought about the Luka ad deal, it makes a certain amount of sense for both teams. Phoenix is in a financial. Massive financial hurt. They have to do something. And conversely, if the warriors are looking to capture some of their old magic and the type of player. Player that they need and a guy that we know that Steph Curry can make room for, KD fits the bill. I don't know if he wants to go back, but if he was willing, it. It makes a lot of sense, this.
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Jason McIntyre
Idea that the warriors are just sitting around waiting. Listen, man, you. You know, young Jason, they're.
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Rick Bucher
They're dying for a player to come in. So they're.
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Jason McIntyre
I would go out with buddies, Rick. And we're. My guys are like, oh, let's go talk to those girls. I'm like, guys, let's chill. Let's wait. They'll come to us. Let's just chill out. We're cool. Waiting around does not really work. I'll just say that you got to be proactive.
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Rick Bucher
It didn't work.
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Jason McIntyre
No, it did not really work. To my to my liking. I'll just say I think the warriors need to be proactive. Listen, we saw, like you said, Luca moves and then instantly, Dear and Fox, 24 hours later, he's gone. There's going to be more dominoes. Something else is happening. This week's going to get crazy.
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Rick Bucher
Well, be clear. Let me be clear when I say that they're waiting on someone. They're waiting to find out if there's a guy that they can get. And that guy, by the indication of the text that I received from the gm, was kd. And if so, if plan A doesn't work, if KD says no, then they would move down the list. But that's what I found interesting in terms of he was saying that there's kind of a hold up here in terms of Zach Levine and where he's going to go and what's going to happen to Jimmy Butler because the warriors have interest in him in those pieces, but they have a guy at the top of their list that is their first choice and they're trying to find out whether they can make that happen.
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Jason McIntyre
Rick Bucher, Fox Sports NBA analyst, he's all over this stuff. Rick, you know, great talking to you. It's fun to chop it up and I'm sure we'll be doing it again soon, buddy.
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Rick Bucher
You got it, J. Mac.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, that's fun. Listen, this NBA chaos now, you got Myles Garrett in the NFL. Everybody's unhappy. Everybody wants out. Should I make a trade? Demand right now for myself. I'm just kidding. I can't wait. All right, so Cow herd's out sick for the rest of the show. We have Mark Sanchez coming up in the studio. We'll talk NFL Super Bowl, Miles Garrett, all that craziness. We're back in a few minutes.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio Apple.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
Back here on the herd, Jason McIntyre filling in for Cowherd. A little under the weather. Got sick in the first quarter. And so Mark Sanchez has a good analogy. My guy, Mark Sanchez, former Jets quarterback. The audience doesn't know this Mark, but Jason once owned one of those Jets T shirts that said Sanchez on the back with six.
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Mark Sanchez
Sanchez or Sanchez?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I said Sanchez, but I called it Sanchez.
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Mark Sanchez
Okay, I'll take that. I just want to make sure you're prepped and ready to go. This is why you get reps during the week. When the starter goes down with a hammy, you got to step up.
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Jason McIntyre
Did that ever happen to you?
- [29:33]
Mark Sanchez
The hopes, dreams and aspirations of this entire production? Today. The Herd relies on you, buddy. It rests on your shoulders.
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Jason McIntyre
No pressure whatsoever, right?
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Mark Sanchez
So let's go, baby. Come on. I hope you're excited.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, well, we'll get scared.
- [29:49]
Mark Sanchez
Look off your face, man. It happens.
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Jason McIntyre
Always makes me laugh. He's just goofing around.
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Mark Sanchez
It happened to me. We were in Houston. Nick Foles goes down. Chip Kelly was our offensive coordinator and he had me coming off the sidelines, just launching the ball down the field first. First play to J. Mac. Yep, J. Mac. Look at that. And that was very first play I went in, like, coming off the bench cold shooting three pointers. I was like, coach, can we get, like, a naked bootleg? Can I get, like, an easy little handoff? Whatever. Two plays later, we had a timeout, and we run zone read, which isn't my favorite to do because I'm not fast. And right after that, it was not only zone read. So there's like, three different types, right? You can read the linebacker level, you could read the defensive end, or sometimes you can read an interior tackle. And coach Kelly is in my ear during the timeout saying, hey, we're running 99 toga. You got to read the three technique. Basically flat path zone. And if you keep it, because that defensive lineman is unblocked and attacks the halfback, you just run straight. He reminded me right before I walked in the huddle, hey, it's 99 toga. Read the three technique. That's number 99, J.J. watt, by the way. It's, like, nice.
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Jason McIntyre
So what happened on the page?
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Mark Sanchez
Yeah, well, I kept it regardless because that was kind of like a. I thought he was, like, trying to challenge me, like I was scared to read him or something. It's.
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Jason McIntyre
What funny you still remember the playbook and all that stuff?
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Mark Sanchez
I remember a lot of it. Some guys can, like, you know, McVeigh's got that photographic memory. Other players I played with haven't even better photographic memory. And then there's, you know, some entire seasons where you're like, did I even play for that team? Where was I?
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Jason McIntyre
You know, I can't remember what I had for lunch a week ago.
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Mark Sanchez
Yeah, but you're sweating bullets up there, man. Come on. You've hosted this show before. The desk is the same size. There's no. There's no more cameras anywhere. This is like a Pete Carroll thing. It's all the same, man.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, first of all, Sanchez is obviously a great Fox Sports analyst, and he's going to break down why the Eagles are going to win now. Just kidding. Let's start with the Chiefs. They've won two in a row. I don't want to say, like, house money, rolling it, but they've done this before. This old hat for them. They're just rolling up to the Super Bowl. No pressure. What do you think their mindset is this week?
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Mark Sanchez
Well, I think for them, they have this luxury of doing it before. I think they have so much continuity with their system, with the players who've been in their system. So when you bring on these additions, whether it's mid year at receiver trying to solve that problem. You got that guy, Patrick Mahomes, he's the eraser. So number one, you got to deal with Andy Reid and this system he's created and you know they're going to be in some pretty good spots, they're going to have some great plays, they're going to have some tough concepts for you to defend, make you think. Then you got to deal with that guy, the eraser, number 15. And if for some reason Andy Reid puts this offense in a bad situation, that guy will change the play, get you into a good play, or he will do something with his legs and make a new play out of that original play and extend it or he's got the intelligence to know I'm not going to give this thing away. I'm going to make that team work for it. They won 17 straight one score games.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, not bad.
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Mark Sanchez
They went eight games in a row without turning over the football. That's an NFL record. Nobody's ever done that. So you got to deal with their system, the continuity, the people they've had around Andy Heck, the O line coach that they have, I mean that guy should be one of the assistant coaches of the year to do what they're doing on the left side of their line. With Tuney, he's one of the best guards in the league. It's like him, Nelson, Zach Martin, the guy's making like as a $80 million contract to play left guard, not left tackle. Yeah, he's the fourth option at left tackle. That is not his position. And then Caliendo has to move into guard. You realize how hard that is? It's interesting to make that happen.
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Jason McIntyre
Do you think that they consider moving him from tackle inside with the Jaylen Carter wrecking team?
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Mark Sanchez
That was where this conversation I figured would go. And if it's Carter and Davis inside, I mean that is, that's a problem. They're, they're in a good spot with Humphrey the center, he's one of the best in the league. And then Trey Smith is going to his, his first team all pro I believe at right guard. But it used to be the law firm of Tuni, Humphrey and Smith in there in the middle and those a gaps were protected and then Mahomes can do what he has to do on the edge. And then they've switched out some tackles. Juwan Taylor comes over from Jacksonville, whatever it is. So you, you create and construct this line the right way. You built it inside out. Well now the way they've had to shuffle guys on the left side, Carter and Davis. That's a problem now. That's a major, major problem. And shout out to Clint Hurt. He's the defensive line coach there in Philly. Vic Fangio. Let's just. Let's talk about that defense in general. Remember when they got bounced out of the playoffs in the wild card last year? Tampa, Demoralizing, embarrassing. He got those guys to really play those. Those tackles. I believe it was Carter last year. Only played like half the snaps. This year he's almost doubled it. He's playing almost every down. I mean, where did that come from? Somebody obviously had to light a fire under that guy's rear end, and he's really playing. So it's. It's a testament to Vic Fangio, the defense, the coaching staff that they've assembled. And I cannot wait to watch this matchup. That's gonna be fun.
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Jason McIntyre
It also feels like the Eagles defense. Better defense in the Bills, without question. I just wonder, like, the super bowl. Last time they met, it was Kadarius. Tony had a couple splash plays last year. Rasheed Rice had a pretty good super bowl of memory serves. This year, we don't know who it's gonna be. Hollywood Brown.
- [35:32]
Mark Sanchez
I know.
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Jason McIntyre
Great.
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Mark Sanchez
And that's. It always seems to be that, right? Whether it's. Pacheco finally catches fire. You know, he went down early with the rib injury. They missed the most of the year. The running game has been, you know, below average this entire season. And they were hoping for that spark. When he came back, they put in Kareem Hunt. Okay. Boom. He gives him a little juice. But he's not the Kareem Hunt when he led the league in rushing, you know, a few years back. So how do you come up with the play? What's the play that's going to turn the tide? It's like a Noah Gray.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Mark Sanchez
In the backside because. Because they, you know, double Kelsey and they got a double Hopkins or somebody, and boom, there goes Noah Gray one on one and makes the play. You know, I. I feel like that's where this game kind of ends up.
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Jason McIntyre
I think hurt Earth had 11 catches against the Eagles in the conference championship game. They've struggled against tight ends. They lost one of their linebackers for the season.
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Mark Sanchez
So. Dean. Yeah.
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Rick Bucher
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Dean. Yes. I. I do wonder if there's. And if you're looking at it from a gambling perspective, an opportunity for Noah Gray, two touchdowns.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
- [36:37]
Mark Sanchez
For, like, all those prop bets.
- [36:38]
Jason McIntyre
Kelsey with like, all spreads, like, they could go crazy in the middle of the field.
- [36:42]
Mark Sanchez
I mean, it could be a huge day for tight ends. And you gotta remember C.J. gardner, Johnson can cover those tight ends. Number eight, their safety. He can, he can cover, he can play center field. He'll hit you. He ain't afraid to play. Manto, man. And they're going to show you. I mean, Vic Fangio's system earlier, remember the sky was falling in Philadelphia. Everybody wanted Sirianni out. These guys suck. Get him out of here. You know, we could find a better coach on Broad Street. They were going nuts until the bye week. And this team figured some stuff out. They put their guys in better positions. Inserted Cooper Dean, a rookie. A rookie playing nickel. Are you kidding me? In the NFL? Dude, that is so. That's one of the hardest positions to play as a rookie. And he's playing great. Bradbury goes down and now we know who Quinion Mitchell is and we know that he went to Toledo. Shout out to the Rockets like, where did this guy come from? And that's a tough sucker now. So you got two rookies playing at a high level. You got a guy who can cover tight ends, at least one of them, if they're going to go man to man. But Vic Fangio system, they played a lot more single high. Go watch the Brazil game against the Packers. A ton of single high, a lot more man to man. Now it's split safety. They're keeping everything, everybody on top. Death by a thousand paper cuts. And we're going to make sure Davis Carter, one of these guys. Zach Bond all pro year. Where'd that guy come from?
- [38:04]
Jason McIntyre
Oh, he's.
- [38:04]
Mark Sanchez
I mean he was a special team or the last two teams he's been on, right. And now he's having a Pro bowl type year, first team all Pro.
- [38:12]
Jason McIntyre
It's funny you mentioned Bond. Let me ask. So we're, we're already concerned about the middle of the field and the tight ends. But Patrick Mahomes just had one of his best running games ever in his career against the Bills. Do you spy Mahomes at this level?
- [38:22]
Mark Sanchez
Like so that's part of the deal, right? Like when, if you remember the play to Diami Brown, Brady was calling the game in the championship game, but he talked about one plug cover, one plug. And basically there's a guy in the middle of the field. And as a plugger, everybody else is man to man, outside leverage. And you have a free safety, deep playing center field, watching everything, helping on D balls. Well, the Plugger has a responsibility to either old school Detroit Pistons, you run through the key. You run through the middle of the field. Boom. Within five yards, you're getting a shoulder, you're getting an elbow. I'm knocking you off your track. So you. You hit all those crossing routes, basically underneath. Or you tell that guy, watch the quarterback. Watch the quarterback. Because if they play that game within the game and he's got to spy him now, he can't help on some of those crossers. Now, that outside leverage is compromising because when you run to the middle with somebody on your outside, the plugger's there to help you. This could be the back and forth kind of game. So I don't know if Fangio really wants to go into that. Like, why play one plug when we can have all eyes on the quarterback?
- [39:30]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. There's so many fun chess matchups in this. So how about this? We take a break, we bring back some Pete Carroll questions.
- [39:37]
Mark Sanchez
Yeah, baby.
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Jason McIntyre
He's going to the Raiders with your guy. I think your guy, Chip Kelly, maybe both of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, everybody, Everybody likes Sanchez. And then we'll break down some plays for the Chiefs in crucial situations. So we'll take a break, be back with Mark Sanchez.
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Colin Cowherd
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Mark Sanchez
I think that's going to be their biggest issue together. I've played for both of these coaches and how eerily similar they are. And I guess the only analogy I can use is when somebody says, you know, six one way, half a dozen the other. Like that's how closely they align when it comes to their mentality, their approach, their positivity, the fact that they, you know, respect the, the psychological prep to the game, the, the, the way they can motivate you to be your best version of yourself and to take away any kind of performance anxiety. I've never been around two coaches that. That pour themselves into that. I mean, Pete was a psychology major from University Pacific, so he knows how to connect with anybody. And Chip, I mean, he talks to more military people, more motivational speaker type people. He had so many people come through that aligned with our values. Look at young Sanchez. Holy smokes. Probably 30 pounds lighter. Oh, my God. But, yeah, I think this could be a pretty special marriage there. And it was actually funny on the way up today when I saw the news and was listening to the show, I texted both of them in the same group chat and I said, never in my life did I ever think I was going to send both of you a message on the same thread. Fired up for you guys. Good luck.
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Jason McIntyre
So real quick, what do you think they do at quarterback? Do you think they make a play for Sam Darnold, who you're familiar with? Do they get Kirk Cousins?
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Mark Sanchez
I would not be shocked if they went after one of those veterans. Think about when they got Russell Wilson.
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Rick Bucher
Yes.
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Mark Sanchez
Remember who else they had?
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Jason McIntyre
Yep.
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Mark Sanchez
Hassle. Well, remember who else they had. Did Hasselbeck say this?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, Hasselbeck mentioned Tavares, Jackson and Flynn. Flynn who they got from the Packers.
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Mark Sanchez
Right. So they paid him a bunch of money, thought he might be the guy, and then Russ beat him out.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Mark Sanchez
So, okay, fine. But you got to have a veteran presence there. Whether that's Darnold, Cousins, do not. And I know what you're going to say.
- [47:14]
Jason McIntyre
Oh, here we go. Here we go.
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Mark Sanchez
Do not sleep on Daniel Jones. Wherever that guy goes, if he lands in the right spot, that would be one of the best places for him with that head coach. He. I mean, he has all the ability in the world. That kid would be dialed there.
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Jason McIntyre
That's a hot.
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Mark Sanchez
I love. I love that possibility.
- [47:36]
Jason McIntyre
All right, so west, you got to clip that off. Daniel Jones, Raiders.
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Mark Sanchez
Daniel Jones.
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Jason McIntyre
From a guy who was just texting the offensive coordinator, head coach of the Raiders. All right, let's get to the Chiefs. Oh, boy. These guys.
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Mark Sanchez
Are you getting tired of them?
- [47:48]
Jason McIntyre
I'm very tired of the beat in there. I mean, come on, Eagles.
- [47:52]
Mark Sanchez
I mean, you're witnessing greatness.
- [47:54]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, this is greatness. And Sanchez has a play here he's going to break down. I won't feel the thunder, but this is genius level stuff from an amazing franchise.
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Mark Sanchez
They're putting on a masterclass and it's really. It goes back to when times get tough. You got to have it in a specific situation. You go back to your fundamentals. You go to what works. In the words of Chip Kelly. You don't suddenly rise to some occasion. You don't suddenly have new abilities. In these crucial moments, you sink to the level of your preparation. So if you prepare the right way, you'll be prepared for any situation. And if you're not, it's something new. Oh, my God. What's going on? Well, what do I do best? What do I know? Watch these guys. This is an illusion of sophistication. They're going to shift to a formation, a little bunch formation, and they usually run this play called mesh. Everybody in the league runs it. These guys have probably run it 40 to 50 times. Mahomes is diagnosing this. I guarantee you he has the option to kill this play. But when he sees that it's man to man and these backers are talking, who's going to guard? Samaji P. Ryan. If P. Ryan goes left, the left backer has him. Bernard. If he goes right, Milano has him. So the tackle knows we're switching up our play. If anything, let this D lineman beat me outside. I'm going to short set it because the back's going to run right through that B gap in between the left tackle and the left guard. And this is a man to man beater. Okay? The original play that they run all the time is mesh. They run the counter to mesh, but this is what mesh is. The back's out first, he's on the railroad. It's Kelsey's job to go pick for the other shallow. Two ships passing in the night, and then you got the guy sitting over the ball and then a backside in route, and you basically work like a sprinkler across the lawn. The back shallow over the ball, shallow in route. Well, if the back release like this up the field on the railroad, Milano's got to get them. But what do we say? We show you something, we present you something, we take it away and hit you with the counter. Everything else looks almost identical on this play. They switch up a couple routes, send the back going the opposite direction, and watch how much traffic Bernard has. One has to figure out. Oh, boy. Backs coming my way. I got to get him. Look what he has to fight through. Are you kidding me? I mean, this is a third down, gotta have it situation. We run mesh all the time. They're gonna be in man to man coverage. Let's give him the counter. We know what to do, boys. And he's got to cover this guy through all that trash. I mean, that looks like traffic on the 405, man, you're backed up for hours. This guy's got no shot. Oh, and they don't hit the guy because they know the rules, they execute it properly, and you give them an accurately thrown ball. You see what I mean? There's so many boxes you have to check to get that play off and executed correctly. But it starts with Andy Reid. Man, the way he's kept that team together, the way he presents something gives you the counter the illusion of sophistication. They know what to do.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, I know you're a quarterback, but if I'm the defense and I see what they're cooking up, was there any way for them to quickly pivot to zone after what's his name went in?
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Mark Sanchez
I mean, if you're going to have just too confused a lot of times, you can go like. Vilma talked to me a lot about this. One of our great broadcasters, he. He talked about when you play quarterbacks that are at this level, like when the Saints won the super bowl, they would have auto checks. Defenses generally have auto checks. If you're in a balanced two by two set, two receivers here, two receivers here, you're playing a specific coverage. If you motion to three by one. So there's three on one side, one guy on the other side, they'll have an auto check. Okay, we're not going to play that coverage to three by one. We'll get roasted. Let's switch it over to this. There's. So there's basic ones, but then there's game plan specific ones where, hey, we want to show this. Look, we want them to think it's zone. And here comes the heat. We're going to man to man this guy. At the last second, we're going to run over and. Or boom, you'll. You'll see the backers lining up in the A gap. Oh, boy, we're getting pressure up the middle. The quarterback goes up. Hey, bring tight end in. We need more help. Halfback, you got this guy. We're ready.
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Colin Cowherd
Boom.
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Mark Sanchez
We got to snap it. And you see the. The backers. Hands, check. Hands, check. And it just goes to cover two, some sort of easy zone call that they can play. They know they can run it in their sleep. So that's going to be a big, big deal for Zach Bond, for Vic Fangio to have those, you know, checks in order based on what Andy Reid is presenting them formationally, personnel wise.
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Jason McIntyre
1. One more before we get to Miles Garrett. Vic Fangio tendencies read. I'm going to be looking into this this week. But do you know if historically Fangio has been a problem for Reid and his offenses and does he bring anything to the table that might almost mess with the Chiefs?
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Mark Sanchez
I'm almost positive it's either versus Mahomes or Reed, but I don't know if he's one or he's like. Because he was in his division right in Denver. So I want to say he's like 1 in 6 or 06 or 1 and 7. It's the record isn't, isn't great. But with the defense he's using now, like these players and you know the guy's going to learn from all those experiences. I mean, who else in the division gave the Chiefs problems? Like the Raiders beat him once on Christmas. Like, okay, they're kind of one offs, you know what I mean? They're little blips on the Raider. It's not a pattern of behavior that you, that you witness with the Chiefs. They've owned that division. So it's not like, you know, Vic can't do it. I think they're going to have to be on and they're going to have to find a way to generate a turnover. You got to generate an extra possession, whether that's the special teams game, a return for a touchdown or a big return that guarantees you points. That's the kind of game within the game. Those hidden points, stolen possessions, that's where these things usually end up.
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Jason McIntyre
Rookies in the secondary against Mahomes scares me real quick. So Miles Garrett. I floated Washington as a team. That makes sense. If I'm the Browns, I don't want him in the afc. Washington makes sense quarterback on a rookie deal. Defense is. Needs a little work. And I floated the Rams because simply they are always willing to take big swings. It feels like you're talking the Rams.
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Mark Sanchez
Would be a big one.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't know if they have enough.
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Mark Sanchez
Yeah, I don't know if. I don't know what the, the situation is financially for these teams to be able to do something like that. And I, I think it's unlikely that the Browns let him go. Really, I just. What? Like he wants out?
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Jason McIntyre
Move on.
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Mark Sanchez
Okay, well then don't sign the contract then. Don't play here. Like, come on. You know, it goes.
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Jason McIntyre
Things changed, you know, I mean, I don't remember when I got a deal.
- [54:19]
Mark Sanchez
But I don't know. I mean if I'm them, I'm trying to figure out a way to keep him there.
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Jason McIntyre
He's not winning anything with him.
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Mark Sanchez
But if we play the hypothetical game of him going somewhere else, That's a plug and play guy. Yeah, I mean, he's like a transcendent player. He can play in any system, just about. And when you lay your head on the pillow as an offensive coordinator, you want to know who the hell is blocking this guy. Yeah, we gotta have the tight ends help. We gotta have the running backs help. Somebody's got to take a piece of them. We can't let him just, you know, drop back 50 times and make our tackle block this guy all game long. He's a problem. And any defense would be lucky to have him. He's a plug and play player. He can go anywhere.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, super bowl score. Hasselbeck was reluctant. You got one yet? Are you saving?
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Mark Sanchez
No, I'm gonna be on the show Thursday, so we'll save it. I gotta study a little more tape, man. I gotta make sure.
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Jason McIntyre
Make sure I know something. You see on film. Eagles roll, babe. No, I'm just kidding. Eagles, hopefully.
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Mark Sanchez
Is that your call?
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Colin Cowherd
No. No.
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Mark Sanchez
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Mark Sanchez
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Rick Bucher
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