Hour 3 - Michael Irvin

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3: Michael Irvin

Release Date: April 25, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Guests: Michael Irvin, Jay Mac

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1. Introduction and Guest Welcome

At the onset of the episode, host Jay Mac enthusiastically welcomes Michael Irvin, a celebrated former NFL player known as "The Playmaker." The camaraderie between the hosts sets a positive and engaging tone for the discussion.

• Jay Mac [02:39]: "Now let's get this party started."
• Michael Irvin [02:43]: "All right. Michael Irvin. Haven't had him on in a while. The Playmaker."
• Jay Mac [02:46]: "I miss you too, my brother."

2. The Importance of Character in Team Building

Michael Irvin emphasizes the significance of character over mere skill when assembling a football team. He argues that players who possess passion and the right attitude are invaluable, often contributing more to a team's success than those with just technical abilities.

• Michael Irvin [03:02]: "Football practice stinks. You need guys who love the game."
• Jay Mac [03:25]: "This game is like you talked about. It’s not just about skill. It’s also about will."
• Michael Irvin [05:01]: "There is just value in guys that love going to work."

3. Analysis of Team Strategies and Draft Decisions

The conversation delves into specific team strategies, particularly focusing on the Pittsburgh Steelers' recent draft choices. Irvin criticizes the decision to draft another lineman instead of addressing quarterback needs, highlighting the long-term implications for the team's performance.

• Jay Mac [05:22]: "I can't in my own mind rationalize after the organizations had cheated Mike Tumblin of a quarterback."
• Michael Irvin [06:12]: "Why do you think people pass?"

4. The Role of Egos in Team Dynamics

Contrary to common criticisms, Irvin defends the presence of strong egos within a team, especially for teams striving to rise from underperformance. He suggests that confident players can instill a winning culture and drive collective success.

• Jay Mac [06:43]: "You need ego. You need egos especially for where some of these teams are and for where they've been."
• Michael Irvin [07:33]: "You need that. That's nothing. And that stuff that people that don't play on the football field... they know how important ego is."

5. Player Specific Discussions: Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders

The hosts discuss standout players like Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders, debating their potential impact and draft prospects. Irvin expresses a preference for Hunter's versatility and leadership qualities over Sanders' aggressive playstyle.

• Michael Irvin [07:59]: "I would rather play him at receiver than corner Travis Hunter."
• Unknown [36:17]: "What happens in the third round stays in the third round."

6. NFL Draft Insights and Predictions

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing ongoing NFL Draft proceedings. Irvin and Jay Mac offer their insights on various draft picks, trades, and the implications for both teams and players. They discuss potential trades involving players like George Pickens and the strategic moves by teams like the Cleveland Browns and Jacksonville Jaguars.

• Michael Irvin [27:56]: "The Steelers have been receiving calls on George Pickens."
• Unknown [33:37]: "Holy Craponville. Jags go from hunted to Hunter."

7. Character vs. Skill Debate in Draft Selections

The discussion returns to the broader theme of character versus skill, especially in the context of draft selections. Irvin underscores that while skill is essential, the right character can often make the difference between a good player and a great team member.

• Jay Mac [16:12]: "Character really matters."
• Michael Irvin [16:36]: "Character becomes more important."

8. NBA Commentary: Dwyane Wade’s Perspective

Shifting briefly to the NBA, the hosts discuss comments made by Dwyane Wade regarding team dynamics and player behavior. Wade advocates for a more aggressive and confrontational style between teammates, which Irvin and Jay Mac debate, expressing mixed feelings about this approach.

• Dwyane Wade [26:07]: "I want to see them be the two baddest on the planet together."
• Unknown [26:30]: "Dwayne Wade wants LeBron and Luka to talk trash and be bad."

9. Final Thoughts and Outlook

As the episode wraps up, Irvin and Mac provide their final assessments of the draft's ongoing events, highlighting key moments and predicting future headlines based on the current draft outcomes. They emphasize the unpredictable nature of drafts and the enduring importance of humility and character for incoming players.

• Michael Irvin [37:14]: "It's brutal. Guys, just fault on the side of humility before you're drafted."
• Unknown [37:53]: "You can do Shador."

10. Conclusion

The episode concludes with a reflection on the discussions held, reiterating the central themes of character-driven team building and strategic drafting. The hosts express gratitude towards Michael Irvin for his insightful contributions, leaving listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the complexities involved in assembling a successful football team.

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Notable Quotes:

• Michael Irvin [03:02]: "Football practice stinks. You need guys who love the game."
• Jay Mac [06:12]: "This game is like you talked about. It’s not just about skill. It’s also about will."
• Michael Irvin [16:36]: "Character becomes more important."
• Dwyane Wade [26:07]: "I want to see them be the two baddest on the planet together."
• Michael Irvin [37:14]: "It's brutal. Guys, just fault on the side of humility before you're drafted."

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This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd featuring Michael Irvin provides an in-depth exploration of team building strategies, emphasizing the critical balance between player skill and character. Through lively discussions and expert analyses, listeners gain valuable insights into the intricacies of NFL Draft decisions and their long-term impact on team success.

Transcript

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[Jay Mac]

Now let's get this party started.

[Producer]

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[Michael Irvin]

All right. Michael Irvin. Haven't had him on in a while. The Playmaker.

[Jay Mac]

I miss you too, my brother.

[Michael Irvin]

I miss you. I always miss you. Okay, let's get. Let's start on a positive note. So I am a believer that football practice Is hard. Baseball, hitting the ball is fun. Batting cage, basketball practice a good time.

[Jay Mac]

Right, right.

[Michael Irvin]

Football practice stinks. You need guys who love the game. I watched Tyler Booker. I'm like, I want that guy on my team. I don't. I don't watch interior linemen much. To me, it's like starter day one. Now they got their guards. Dax coming off a second surgery. Keep those feet and knees clean. What did you think of it?

[Jay Mac]

You know, and I spoke all week, calling and I took my strategic approach to this. I knew the last three, those three years we went 12 and five, we averaged 30, 28, 27 points. So about 28, 20, 28 points a game. Last year we dropped the 20. I wanted Genty or McMillan so I can try to put those seven, eight points back on the board, strengthen one unit. Because we had too many places that we need to fill with players. I didn't get my playmakers, but I'm with you, buddy. I got a great player because I always talk. This game is like you talked about. It's. It's not just about skill. It's also about will. And I'll give up a little skill if I know this guy got the right will and the right excitement and one of those guys that no matter what, when I come to work, he's gonna make me feel like working. He has the right attitude. You need those guys on your team. You cannot go anywhere without them. And the way he handled that drive choice when he yelled and big £300 come running. You know how hard it is to get them fat jokers to run. And he was running for free.

[Michael Irvin]

I know he wouldn't even get paid for that run.

[Jay Mac]

Come on, man, let's play. Let's stop playing. I love that attitude.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, I love this from Bill Parcell's years ago when he left Dallas, he went to Miami as the GM and he took a one win team to an 11. And he went and stole a few of the Cowboys, not their stars. He went and got weight room guys, right? Passionate guys. And there is just value in guys that love going to work.

[Jay Mac]

Right?

[Michael Irvin]

You can build your. Now you need stars, but you win a lot of games on passion, culture, weight room, locker room. Okay, Now I am surprised because I like him more than Jackson Dart, Shador Sanders. The Steelers in his sights and they go defensive lineman in.

[Jay Mac]

The pain of that moment was. We knew that for years. For years. Not just this year. It's been since Ben Roethlisberger stepped off the football field. They've been looking and never have given Mike Tumblin his quarterback. Here, I thought was the perfect situation and a perfect opportunity to get that taken care of. And you went and drafted another lineman. That was surprising because I can't in my own mind rationalize after the organizations had cheated Mike Tumlin of a quarterback. Even if Mike. I couldn't imagine if Mike Tumlin was on the table saying, I get him. I got my quarterback right here. He's right here for us. And they went by him. So that was the hard take right there at 21, which is Deion's number to be passed for them to pass your door.

[Michael Irvin]

Why do you think people pass?

[Jay Mac]

That blows my mind. I don't care what anybody says and I don't care. You can't find anybody that can sit in this chair that tells you that they've seen a kid have that kind of success on the football field. I've seen him throw every play on the football field. And we're going through this. There's no way this is an arm strength thing. There's no way this is where he doesn't run like he's playing.

[Michael Irvin]

What about the stories?

[Jay Mac]

I don't know what this is.

[Michael Irvin]

What about the stories that came out this week? Well, there's a lot of ego. What about that?

[Jay Mac]

You need ego. You need egos especially for where some of these teams are and for where they've been. Some of these teams have been in a hell hole for a long, long time. What do you think? You going to get the greatest look, kindest, nicest guys to come pull you out of that hell hole. You need people with egos. That's what I'm talking about. It's always the organizations that haven't won anything in forever talking about guys with egos. You need different people to come change your culture. Stop talking about that. Guy has an ego. Maybe the ego's big enough to get you out of this hell hole. Go draft him. That's what you need. So I don't give substance to that kind of stuff.

[Michael Irvin]

Your Cowboys team had ego.

[Jay Mac]

You need it. You're walking on the field against some of the greatest athletes in the world. If you don't believe in you, how the hell can you think anyone else will believe in you? So you need that. That's not that. That's that. That's nothing. And that stuff that people that don't play on the football field, those are stuff that people that wear the suits say, people that wear the uniforms on the football field, they know how important ego is. That's just stuff that stupid.

[Michael Irvin]

So I think it'll be fine. I would rather play him at receiver than corner Travis Hunter. No, because I think it's more of an offensive league. I'd rather him have 12 targets than chasing guys over the field who are decoys. I want him in the game. I am. I do think Jacksonville's got a new coach, a new coordinator, new gm. You got that toggle between. Are you in the meetings? Tell me about the meeting thing with Travis Hunter. Is it gonna be a problem?

[Jay Mac]

I laugh when people say this to me. You know, well, can Travis play both sides? I said, are you joking? I was there. I saw it. I saw Deion Sanders get off a helicopter, wasn't in any practice or any meeting off a helicopter and shut jokers down. You see what I mean? Put him in the offensive meetings, make sure he gets his timing with the quarterback. And then tell him, we'll see you in defensive practice. He knows what cover one is. That's man coverage. He knows what cover two is. That's two safeties back and we up press it. He knows what cover three is. That's zone coverage with one high safety. You know that stuff from birth. Let's play.

[Michael Irvin]

Aqib Talib once told me this. I asked him about the Patriots. I said, oh, God, how long? Bill Belichick, very sophisticated. He says, yeah, by the end of the second practice, I knew what it was.

[Jay Mac]

Right? That's it.

[Michael Irvin]

I knew where I had to be.

[Jay Mac]

Right? Right. And especially like them, because I got to stop that guy. All right? I got to stop that guy. That's why he's coming in. This dude here is going to be. I have to stop that guy. You're going to put him on your best guy even after he ran 20 plays on offense? So Jacksonville was brilliant last night.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh, I don't like it.

[Jay Mac]

I don't care what anybody says.

[Michael Irvin]

A lot of swings. It's a lot. Gave up a lot.

[Jay Mac]

And you did not. I don't think they gave up a lot. They got two first rounders. So you're saying they gave up two first rounds.

[Michael Irvin]

Cleveland. Now, not only did Cleveland get a first round pick next year, Cleveland's got the first pick this morning or tonight.

[Jay Mac]

Right? Right now. And that's why, right there again, do.

[Michael Irvin]

You think they'll take Shador?

[Jay Mac]

It ended with pain. And I don't want this one to start with pain. And I'm talking about his day yesterday after he realized he didn't get drafted. Now you come back, Cleveland passes again, then I'm like, oh, my God, that would throw, that would throw me for such a loop. If you can pick up a Shador in the second round. I know people are saying that's because I love Deion, and I do. And he's my boy and he is. But we've never seen anybody have this kind of success in college, that kind of success. And, and, and, and watch this at the quarterback position. And we know how important it is. So, yeah, as long as he was.

[Michael Irvin]

The most accurate quarterback in college ever with a lousy Beat the hell up.

[Jay Mac]

On the offensive line.

[Michael Irvin]

I like, we both like him. I, I would pick him in the first. I would have taken him. I would have taken. If I was Pittsburgh, I would have. They didn't need more defensive talent. Okay.

[Jay Mac]

Right.

[Michael Irvin]

So you talked me into Cam Ward. I, again, I don't start the fires. I just, I'm a journalist, so I had, I had. I didn't know if Cam Ward could lead my franchise. These were Internet rumors. I just laid them out there. But I do, I make calls. Everybody I talked to said, at the end of the day, he's a great leader. He's a, I mean, the kid. No star recruit, right?

[Jay Mac]

Great.

[Michael Irvin]

That is actually totally impressive to me.

[Jay Mac]

And it's the story you want going around in your locker room. Man, this dude worked his way up. You know, most quarterbacks, you guys, they trying to get everything in the NFL locker room. They do you like, you like when you hear that a kid worked his way up, you know, and it means he's willing to put in the work, then I'm willing to follow him and this kid is willing to put in the work. Man, I, I talked to Coach Cristobal yesterday about him. He said, michael, the one thing I love about him, all he cares about is winning and he knows how to rally guys at quarterback in this league and in Tennessee, that's going, that, that's going to be. That's going to work great. It reminds me a lot of Steve McNair.

[Michael Irvin]

He does.

[Jay Mac]

And he esteemed McNair and that city had a great union and I think this would be a great union also.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. And we have to be honest about this is that Tennessee quarterback play last year was bad. Had 21 touchdowns and 22 picks or maybe vice versa. So he. J. Mack and I both believe they will be a playoff team. That he. He's the only guy in the draft that can change outcomes. Other guys will be good. He could change four losses to four wins.

[Jay Mac]

Right. Put with the right situation. And this is the whole thing too. I liken it because we did the comps of Patrick Mahomes and I was like okay, I love that. The way this dude never gives up on a play, gives you opportunities, gives a receiver opportunity after the first play, second play and third place. You know, giving him more times within the play, never gives up on the play. And I think that that's going to be great. Sometimes I used to get mad at him. I thought he had a route. On the shorter route he would go back in and take a deeper play. I was like, throw the ball, throw the ball. But he would always come out on top. I'm telling you Tennessee, you got one of the great ones.

[Producer]

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[Michael Irvin]

So when you watch the draft and you know, it's. It's interesting about character. So Booker, Tyler Booker, team captain, great character. Many say, well, he got drafted 10 to 12 spots ahead of where we thought. And my take is in an average draft. Character matters more. And Mecca Ebuka, Ohio State. He was a mid second round pick.

[Colin Cowherd]

When the season was over.

[Michael Irvin]

He gets drafted 19th again, a plus character. Could I argue that when it's not a great draft, you were in this league forever, character becomes more important? And the Cowboys, part of the kid they drafted was all American team captain. Unbelievable. Do you think that stuff matters more when the players aren't as great?

[Jay Mac]

Well, I think it matters that you have that kind of understanding about how important it is that you show up and be a certain way every day. Every time I talk to anything or anybody, I always talk about if you're a leader, you gotta first lead yourself to be able to lead anybody else. That's why that person, that kind of infectious personality matters. Showing up, being where you're supposed to be, putting in the work, letting people see you put in the work, that stuff matters big time, especially at this level. So you're right. You're right and it trusts me. Every year we hear people that are dropping because we talk of the same character. You know, I don't like them. I don't like this football. It's the meritocracy. It is. I always love if you can beat somebody on the football field, you got a position. But the real rest, the rest of life, the rest of life, people are making decisions on who they like and who they don't like. And when we get in these draft rooms, we're dealing with a lot of people. Not football, we're dealing with the rest of life people. People that are making decisions on who they like and who they don't like, it's not just about football. So you're right. Character really matters.

[Michael Irvin]

Where do you want to see Dallas go with their next pick? So they went and got interior O line. They could use a back, they could use a tight end. Or do you want to see them go? Where would you like them to go?

[Jay Mac]

Right. My philosophy has been build one unit to be dominant. If we're not going, if we have all of these spots that we need to fill, we're not going to be able to fill them all. Let's build one unit and be dominant and win this way. And that's the offensive unit and the help we got with Tyler Booker, that's the right area. We needed help there. That's the right spot. Let's stay on the offensive side.

[Michael Irvin]

Okay?

[Jay Mac]

You see what I'm saying?

[Michael Irvin]

That's what the Bears. That's what the Bears are doing with Caleb.

[Jay Mac]

Right? Let's stay on the offensive side. Let's try to get this to a 28, 29, 30 point team every game. And we can fill in on defense and we can put it together on defense. Now here's the caveat to that. We have to get Michael Parsons signed since we are filling in on defense now that we got DeMarcus Lawrence out the locker room, we need Michael Parsons in the locker room in training camp. Not holding out to try to get whatever guys he got on defense together as one so they can try to play good defense. When we give them 30 points, they just got to hold people under 30 and the offense give you 30 and we could be right back in the thick of it.

[Michael Irvin]

The hall of Famer, the playmaker, Michael Irvin. It's always a pleasure to see you, my man.

[Jay Mac]

Always great to sit in this chair and just kick it with you, my brother.

[Michael Irvin]

Jmac with a news.

[Jay Mac]

Jmac, turn on the news.

[Producer]

This is the Herdline news.

[Unknown]

Love the excitement. Michael Irvin fired up like Tyler Brooker.

[Jay Mac]

That's right, already.

[Unknown]

Let's get started with the top of the second round, which kicks off tonight. Shadour Sanders available. Will Johnson available. Jaylen Milro still out there. We have a list of other notables on the market. You want to take a look?

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, I do.

[Unknown]

You know, there's a couple quarterbacks here. Tyler Shook. I'm not as big of a believer in him.

[Michael Irvin]

I'm a big believer in Will Johnson. Okay. So if you're asking me to rate these guys in order, you didn't. I would say I like. I like Will Johnson alike a lot. I like Will. I Like Travion Henderson a lot. The kid, the Minnesota offensive tackle. Ursary probably going to go somebody, somebody's going to get a starting left tackle in the second round. He's a. He's a very highly thought of player.

[Unknown]

Luther Burden was awesome two years ago.

[Michael Irvin]

A little less awesome slot guy, explosive guy.

[Unknown]

Mike Green, the kid out of Marshall is immensely talented but he's got a bit of a background history too. Big time.

[Michael Irvin]

People love Trey Harris from Ole Miss.

[Unknown]

Yep, yep. So there's a lot of good players out there. Top of the second's always interesting.

[Michael Irvin]

If you're Cleveland and you get a call you have the first pick and you want. You like Shador but you have quarterback.

[Unknown]

Well, who's calling? It depends who's calling. Do they have a quarterback?

[Michael Irvin]

Well no, I think here's what Cleveland's doing. What if Cleveland like Shador and Tyler shuck and.

[Unknown]

And nobody likes Tyler?

[Michael Irvin]

Well, I'm just saying a lot. Let's say they do. If I'm Cleveland I don't think it's crazy.

[Unknown]

I mean I don't know either. Not taking a quarterback. Titans are not. It's Patriots are not. It's going to be one of those first five or Shador goes to the third.

[Michael Irvin]

If I'm Cleveland they've already got two firsts next year. How about two seconds? If I'm Cleveland I've got the 36 pick. I don't think it's the craziest thing because you again you want the roster so when the quarterback arrives, if you don't have you need a quarterback but shoulder and shock you don't. Your scouting department is and they've drafted pretty well. Andrew Barry's drafted well. My take is I think I'd move that first pick. I keep the second one four picks later I think I'd move that first pick and get another. I'd load up on next year's draft. And if you end up winning six games and you have the seventh pick and you want to get to number two, you're going to need ones and twos.

[Unknown]

You know I know we love to say this next year's quarterback. We do this all the time. Are we certain Arch Manning is going to be that guy?

[Michael Irvin]

Well, we certain there are a handful of quarterbacks. So a year out there's always surprises.

[Unknown]

You want to go this time. Carson Beck, remember he was the hot name. Right, right. Heisman, number one pick, all that stuff.

[Michael Irvin]

There's always surprises. But the people I trust say it is a better quarterback. Draft next Year. Also, every year a free agent quarterback lands. Now Cleveland's not going to do that because of the Shashan Watson contract. But there are teams out there. There will be at least two quarterbacks in the league that are capable, that'll be on the market. And I will say there'll be at least three draftable first rounds.

[Unknown]

If Kyler Murray and the Cardinals go win six games, would you.

[Michael Irvin]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Does he become.

[Michael Irvin]

That is a great point. So Kyler's a great one. If Kyler again, you look in the division, he finishes fourth is Kyler.

[Unknown]

I just don't see him in Cleveland as an outdoor guy.

[Michael Irvin]

They're not gonna pay for a quarterback. They have to go find a Bo Nix. You can't pay two quarterbacks.

[Unknown]

So even Pittsburgh? I don't know that he fits in Pittsburgh. Cold weather, outdoor games, Kyler Murray, no shot. He's got to be dork Dome, warm weather. Anyways, let's go to second story. Jimmy Butler, the injury that he suffered in game two, he's currently being listed as doubtful. Colin, they're calling it a deep glute muscle contusion, which is a fancy way of saying he's got a butt bruise. Listen, series tied at one. Game three, we know is hugely pivotal. If Butler doesn't play, I think I'm going to be on the Rockets. Not for sure.

[Michael Irvin]

I took him in. I think I took the Rockets in seven, six or seven. So I mean this is. I didn't predict this, but it really helps when the NBA is letting players play. Depth helps. And Houston is so deep athletically, they just have extra bodies and that allows you to place hyper physical and get into more foul trouble.

[Unknown]

Well, I think the big story to watch here, speaking of depth, is what's up with Jonathan Kamingka. Steve Kerr essentially benched him in game one. He's in the doghouse. But if Butler doesn't play, Kamika's gonna have him play like 30 minutes because he played a lot in game two. I think he was like four of 12. But they don't love him. But they need him.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh, they need him. Especially against the length of the Rocket. Yeah, I mean Kaminga is. I mean not even the dog. Tim Kawakami I think reported. I think he reported that. It. I'll just say this. It's been discussed in the Bay Area that it's over. And when you get DNPS coaches decision and you're athletic, long and you have length the team needs, it's over.

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[Michael Irvin]

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[Unknown]

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[Michael Irvin]

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[Unknown]

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[Michael Irvin]

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[Unknown]

But I say this about Kaminga because there's a guy who was. Remember, they drafted James Wisman and Kuminga and they were like, we're going to do the two timelines. Yeah, listen. Bob Myers gets a pass for this because he's out of there now. He whiffed on both.

[Michael Irvin]

Timeout. The Wiseman draft was an awful draft.

[Unknown]

It was.

[Michael Irvin]

But nobody else, only an Edwards, I think, was the only good player in.

[Unknown]

That LaMelo ball went. LaMelo ball was.

[Michael Irvin]

So take LaMelo was Steph Curry.

[Unknown]

It would have been Monte Ellis all over again.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's. That was a. I give him a pat. There have been two drafts in my life. That was one. The other was the Victor Oladipo draft. Like, there are just drafts. There's just no play.

[Unknown]

The NFL draft where Zach Wilson went.

[Michael Irvin]

Second, that's a draft that was a bad pick.

[Unknown]

Every. Every quarterback there was has been awful, including Trevor Lawrence. Final story. Colin. My Lakers against the Timberwolves tonight. It's going to get lost in the Game 3 coverage, but this is an interesting story. So we talked yesterday about how Luke luka might be LeBron's best teammate of all time.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Well, Dwyane Wade heard this and he doesn't like what he's seeing from the Lakers so far. Listen to this closely about Dwayne Wade.

[Dwyane Wade]

This is all I want to see. I want to see them be the two baddest on the planet together. I don't want to see nobody be better than you. That. That's simple as that. When you're watching that game and I'm watching Anthony Evers beat a bad. Be the bad on the court. I don't like that. And I. It ain't just about points. Some. It's just sometimes it's about the way you walk. It's about the way you talk. It's about the way you get up after you fall. Sometime. I need to see it.

[Unknown]

Okay, so this is a larger discussion on the basketball culture. Dwayne Wade wants LeBron and Luka to talk trash and be bad. MF's on the court pointing and flexing. And I'm like, dwayne. What? Really? That's what you want? These guys miss me with the culture sometimes.

[Jay Mac]

Guy.

[Unknown]

I don't get that. That mindset. I want Luka distributing.

[Michael Irvin]

I don't want him like you know who doesn't do that? The Celtics.

[Unknown]

Steph Curry.

[Michael Irvin]

I just. I don't know. Just go out, play, be a great teammate, bust your butt. I don't mind a little attitude. I like a little swag.

[Unknown]

But you know who was flexing last night? The Detroit Pistons. All night. They lost at home. Like Anthony Edwards could talk all he wants and point the Spider man stuff at Luca. That's great. Give me the wins. I love Wade too, man. Wade was one of my favorite players. Oh, what do you got? Draft stuff. Look at Colin looking at his phone as I'm talking.

[Michael Irvin]

Little things percolating.

[Unknown]

Oh, all right.

[Michael Irvin]

Diana Rossini. What do we got? We have to have the same source. The Steelers have been receiving calls on George Pickens. Pittsburgh is open to conversations as it navigates Friday night without a second round pick.

[Unknown]

So they want to get.

[Michael Irvin]

So I thought Pickens would get you a third.

[Unknown]

Are they trying to get into the second to get Shador and part with Pickens?

[Michael Irvin]

It's.

[Unknown]

It's worth sense. Nobody's given up a two for Pickens. Disgruntled receiver who's not going to try.

[Michael Irvin]

A three if he wasn't disgruntled. He's a two. That attitude crap, that makes him a three.

[Unknown]

The talent. He's a first round.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh, he's a huge talent.

[Unknown]

Really good.

[Michael Irvin]

Huge. But again, sorry, Chemist.

[Unknown]

You know, how long do you think he would last in my spot on the show?

[Michael Irvin]

He'd want the ball and I wouldn't pass J. Mac with him.

[Producer]

Well, that's the news.

[Michael Irvin]

And thanks for stopping by.

[Producer]

The Herd line news.

[Michael Irvin]

All right, tomorrow's headlines today are around the corner.

[Producer]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the.

[Jay Mac]

This is crazy.

[Producer]

Another draft night live. And you know, we had it all. The insiders, the pros, the pigs.

[Jay Mac]

Live my dream.

[Producer]

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[Jay Mac]

Can't believe it.

[Producer]

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[Unknown]

Lights in prime time as the Memphis Showboats take on the Birmingham Stallions. Fox UFL Friday kicks off at 8:00pm Eastern.

[Michael Irvin]

All right, NFL Draft underway. Round two begins later tonight. Lot of good players in those first 12, 15 picks. J. Mack, are you ready to go?

[Unknown]

Board ready, baby.

[Michael Irvin]

All right, tomorrow's headlines today is what we call it. What will the headline be for the Tennessee Titans next season?

[Unknown]

Yeah, we love the Cam Ward pick. I think you and I both the division's winnable. They could do some damage. The headline for the Tennessee Titans will be wham, bam, thank you, Cam. Titans found in playoff position.

[Michael Irvin]

Colin.

[Unknown]

I don't see why they can't triple their win total to nine wins.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, same.

[Unknown]

It's not out of the realm. Houston, they took a step back, okay, with the offensive line issues, losing digs. I don't know that they're going to be as great as they were last year. We still don't know about the Colts and their quarterback situation. And Jacksonville, new coach, new gm. What do we expect? So I like Callahan and Cam Ward. I think it'll be in a lot of three wide sets. I like the running back combo of Spears and Pollard. I mean, I think three wins to nine is reasonable. But then again, I didn't see Bo Nix coming. I didn't see Jaden Daniels coming. You saw them. So I'm getting on board with Cam Warden. An effort to make that right.

[Michael Irvin]

All right, tomorrow's headlines today, the J going up to get Travis Hunter didn't love the deal.

[Unknown]

I think they gave up a little too much. However, the headline will be Holy Craponville. Jags go from hunted to Hunter. I think the big takeaway here is they've got instantly a top 10 pairing of wide receivers in the league. Brian Thomas, the rookie last year was phenomenal. 87 catches, 1200 yards, 10 touchdowns. He won the fantasy league. He was everywhere. And by the way, he didn't only have Trevor Lawrence, he had to catch passes from Mac Jones. Your boy, McEnroe Jones. So I think with that wide receiver pairing, new head coach, if Trevor Lawrence is healthy, that's the big question. Last two years he's been hurt. Two years ago he played through the injuries and it didn't go well. I think they can have a good season, but I don't love this trade for Jacksonville the way that some of the Jags fans are geeked.

[Michael Irvin]

Tomorrow's headlines today, Giants gave up a lot to throw a dart later in the first round.

[Unknown]

Jackson dart as A Jets fan. I think they will appreciate this headline. The headline for the Giants will be Dart board early pick ends up being pointless. I'm on record that Day bowl and Shane do not survive this. I think they are gutted after this year. First of all, Dable came out said Russell Wilson's our starter last night. Really? So what is are you trading Jameis Winston Cuz Pittsburgh could use a quarterback. What do you do with jam? Is Jackson Dart going to be inactive for the first half of the season? Like I, I, I just don't understand this at all. There were two other offensive linemen drafted after this. The Texans could have just stayed put. I don't understand the Jackson Dart. Love Colin. Maybe I'm missing something. Do are you on board with this? Does this do anything for the Giants or still last?

[Michael Irvin]

I think Jackson Dart would have been available with the second pick. They would have today had they not traded it away.

[Unknown]

Yeah, didn't love it.

[Michael Irvin]

Tomorrow's headlines today, what will be the headline for the winner of the first round?

[Unknown]

Okay, we're on opposite sides here. You're vehemently on opposite sides. The headline will be Splatlanta Falcons land haymaker at end of round one. I'm in a minority here. I love going after 2 sec edge rushers who are absolute beasts. Walker and Pierce are going to be a problem in Atlanta. Colin, do you know in the last five years no Falcons player has more than seven sacks?

[Michael Irvin]

I know they can't get to the quarterback. That's why they went and got Matt Jude on last.

[Unknown]

So they've got Penix and Bijan Robertson, Drake, London. I like that nucleus. Kyle Pitts is kind of on the outside looking in. But I love these two edge rushers. Jesse Bates on the back end, A.J. terrell, a good corner. Give me the, give me the Falcons to win this division next year over the Bucks.

[Michael Irvin]

That's a take. Finally, tomorrow's headlines. Today, what's going to be the headline for Shador Sanders in the draft?

[Unknown]

I'd say we saved the best for last, but the headline for Shador will be what happens in the third round stays in the third round. I think the Vegas Raiders are like, hey, we can't take him too early. We just got Gino. Wow. I think they take him in the third round.

[Michael Irvin]

You think he nobody takes him in the second.

[Unknown]

Well, it's not, no, it's not like 32 teams are clamoring for him in the second round.

[Michael Irvin]

No, it's about four, three or four.

[Unknown]

And I, I just think there's more higher value players. Like, by the way, I know he loves the Raiders. He's been, he's been putting them on his Instagram.

[Michael Irvin]

Well, he is legendary.

[Unknown]

I just, I can't see anybody taking a flyer in the second. I, I'm not willing to bet any significant money, but I don't think the Browns do it. And then the Steelers do they get in the second to go after him. This is a precipitous fall for Shador Sanders. I feel a little bad for him. We had a good talk with some of the guys on staff. You don't have to feel bad for Shador, but watching him go through that Colin.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh, it's a painful dude.

[Unknown]

That is brutal.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh, it's brutal. Yeah. I mean I just 2 weeks ago.

[Unknown]

He was like, oh, where's he going in the top five? Then it's like top ten.

[Michael Irvin]

I will say this. The college football world sent a message to that Tennessee quarterback. Oh, lower the temperature. Do you love football or what football provides? I didn't love, I didn't love Shador in the room. Legendary. And the New York Giant cleats.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's not the end of the world.

[Michael Irvin]

But guys, just fault on the side of humility before you're drafted.

[Unknown]

Now he can use this as fuel as he's right.

[Michael Irvin]

That's right.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

And again, it's not the end of the world. Just you've. I tell my kids, you know, you don't have to love every time you go to an interview. Just fault on the side of being on time and being humble.

[Unknown]

And listen, Tom Brady remembers every quarterback picked ahead of him using his fuel. Michael Jordan made up these fake scenarios to get him angry and fired up. Like you can do Shador.

[Michael Irvin]

Marino dropped. Aaron Rodgers dropped.

[Unknown]

He's not in those classical.

[Michael Irvin]

A lot of these quarterbacks had that. There's not a lot of guys that went number one and end up being great at quarterback. It's a, I mean Mahomes went 10th. Josh Allen didn't go one. Lamar went late first. There's nothing wrong with drop. I mean if he ended up going late second and you know, you know, a really quality team says, you know what, we're not going to play him. Let's roll the McVeigh.

[Unknown]

McVeigh says, hey, you know what? Matt Stafford's old. Should we take his flyer on?

[Michael Irvin]

I just, but it's, it's, you know.

[Unknown]

Hey, let's remember Lamar Jackson was asleep in the green room at the end of the first round. There are images all over the end of him and his mom with their heads on the table. Downcast. He's now got two IVP's. It's not over.

[Michael Irvin]

You make your money in the second contract in the NFL anyway. The first one, you're not getting rich. You're going to make it in a second, if you're going to make it at all. So why not go to a better organization a little later?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

See you Monday.

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