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Colin Cowherd
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Michael Irvin
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. And with that, one of our favorite guests, the playmaker Michael Irvin. The very well connected Michael Irvin is joining us. So we've got things to talk about last night as we're getting ready for the game. Jerry makes sure Deion and the Cowboys makes the Wire makes the news. So let's talk about that. You have a relationship with Deion Sanders. He has been very loyal. It's been brief, but he loves Colorado, the cowboy hat. He feels the part. You told me a month and a half ago he would listen. Listen to Jerry Jones.
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Michael Irvin
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Is he now listening more to Jerry Jones?
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Michael Irvin
Well, you guys now know that he has, he and Jerry has had conversations which I am so happy now to put that out in the ether. And you guys finding that out. Yes, they, they are having conversations. When I talked to Dion last night and this morning when I was talking to him, he was real, real telling me real carefully. Now listen, it's all we can talk about. It's all we can talk about is that. Yeah, it's all I can say is that they are talking. I love when he tells me things like that, really be careful because I think that means things are moving in a way that we can't just openly talk like we used to openly talk. I can't get out here, run my mouth like I need to or I want to. You know what I'm saying? So I don't want to mess anything up. So I make sure I leave it right there he said that's all we could talk about right now. That they are. They have had conversations. And that is manna from heaven when he tells me that now. Manna from heaven, he had said a.
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Colin Cowherd
Couple years ago when asked about the NFL, he said, I'd have a hard time paying a guy money, and he doesn't care because I care. College kids, I know, you know, we'll cut them on a scholarship. You get stuck with NFL guys.
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Michael Irvin
Well.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that hasn't changed.
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Michael Irvin
No, no. But. But what you do know, though, is we. We talk about. And we talk about Dion's great ways with young men. These are young men in the NFL. You know, we're in college. We consider them to be kids, but these are still young men going through a lot of issues, dealing with a lot of issues. And this is where Dion separates from all of the X's and O's coaches, because he is a true mentor. He's a true mentor. That's coaching. And the other coaches are coaching, and they're forced to mentor. They're forced to mentor. So when we talk about coaching, his job is to bring the best out of the player. These guys are making a lot of money. Travis Hunter, he brought the best out of Travis Hunter, and Travis Hunter had all kinds of opportunity to make money. He didn't think about those. Those things. He thought about bringing the best up out of him. He didn't take all the nil money. He followed Dion. When Dion went to J. Jackson and he went to. Then he went to Colorado, and now he's living his best life. That's what Dion will do for all the NFL players, too. Let's help you get to your best life. And it's not just about making money. It's about making the right decisions. It's about taking care of your family. It's about you and everything that you're doing. That's what he's great at. And that'll bring the best football out of you.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Deion's had a remarkable American life. From. From fastest college player to best cornerback of all time, to broadcaster. A lot of spirituality in there. Then to coaching. Small, bigger coaching. If he could end up Dallas Cowboys. It really is an amazing American life. Now, I will say you say all.
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Michael Irvin
Of that, Colin, but. But. And it is an amazing life. But it has been met with great wins against him. W I N D wind I mean, you know, people. It's not okay. He's a hell of an athlete. But everywhere this man goes now, everywhere this man go, when he went To Jackson. Oh, it won't work out there. Oh, no, he turned that around. He went to Colorado. Oh, boy. You'll see when you get to big time. Football is different. But he turned that around. And here we come again with the same doubt with Dion. Well, what could he do in Dallas? I tell people everywhere, this man has set his foot in the sand. He leaves a footprint of greatness. So Dallas needs to get on board with that, and I hope they do. I. I gotta. I can't say much about that.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way. You have a relationship. You and Aikman have a relationship with Jerry.
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Michael Irvin
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
That is different than a lot of people. And did. Can I ask Jerry, who now does acting? He's pretty good on Landman. He's pretty good showman. Do you. Has Jerry called you recently just to chat about this?
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Michael Irvin
I. I talked with Jerry when we were with fight and we were somewhere else, so. Yeah, I was at his house. We had an event at his place.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Michael Irvin
So, yeah, we talked in the last couple weeks. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. All right. I. Look, let's talk about the future of Dallas.
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Michael Irvin
Back up. Let's back up. Troy. And I heard Detroit comments. And you know, I love Troy. I love Troy to death. And it's to life. I better say the life because Deanna called me on that.
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Colin Cowherd
Is it. Is it a coveted job?
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Michael Irvin
That's what I want to talk about.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know if it is. Philadelphia's roster, Jaden Daniels, 90 million cap space. I don't know if it's a coveted job. I'm not saying it's Colorado State.
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Michael Irvin
We gotta stop. We gotta stop. We gotta stop. We gotta stop. We gotta stop.
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Colin Cowherd
Prove it to me.
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Michael Irvin
What? Easily. Easily. How many? How many coaches out here coaching what? A couple hundred thousand, Coco. Coaching all over college, high school. Hundred thousand coaches?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, no, no, no. 50,000, max.
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Michael Irvin
No head coaches. I'm talking everything. Okay. Even 50,000, there are only 32 jobs in the national football. 32. Each one of those jobs going to pay you above north of somewhere, six, seven million dollars a year. How. How do I fix this ra. Face to face. Something like what I say, like what he said.
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Zach Ertz
I love him.
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Michael Irvin
But how do you fix the radio on your face to sing a song like it's not a coveted job? It's the Dallas Cowboys. There are only 32 of them in this whole wide world. And you talking about 50,000 max. We're talking about United States. That coaches all over the world that probably wants to come and coach if they knew how to coach national Football league. Let's stop saying stuff like this. Let's stop saying. This is what you call hyperbole. It's superfluous words that you're just throwing out here to sound like something, but it's not true. It has no truth to it. This is a covenant job. All 32 of them are coveted jobs in this country and mostly probably in this world. So that right there is not right to even say that. All right? Now, the Cowboys is as covenant as any other team in the National Football League.
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Colin Cowherd
Now, I know Jerry's your friend. I know he's your friend. So what I'm going to say right.
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Michael Irvin
Now, Troy is my friend, too. You my friend. A lot of friends. But I can't lie. I'm telling the truth.
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Colin Cowherd
I would say this. Jerry is. That's why he's so good on Landman. He's a performer. He. He loves the media.
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Michael Irvin
Right?
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Colin Cowherd
There are those in the NFL that say, well, you had Jimmy and parcels and basically you ran them off. I think what Troy was saying is, oh, it's a job. But it does sort of feel like you got to answer a lot of questions about Jerry's recent radio report. Doesn't that get in the way a little?
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Michael Irvin
No, no, not if you're doing your job. I don't care what Jerry says. I'm winning football games. I'm doing my job. You could do what they say, whatever you want. Who cares? I'm doing my job. And we. This is what I'm saying, guys. We. We. The owner talks. My issue is, is that. Is that why we so hard on Jerry, because he talks and does radio interviews? What's the separation between Jerry and in the Rooneys? What's the separation? I keep bringing this up and nobody tells me anything. I'm almost getting afraid to bring it up now because the Rooneys must have something on everybody. I don't know what's going on, but the Rooneys run all of the organization in Pittsburgh and they haven't given Mike Tumblin what he wants, but we want to run Mike Tomlin out. But when it comes to the Cowboys, it's. It's all Jerry's fault. Any failure or any not seed succeeding is all Jerry's fault. Everywhere else, it's just a coach. In Pittsburgh, it's just a coach. Nobody's put anything on the Rooneys in Pittsburgh, and they haven't found a quarterback in 100 years.
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Colin Cowherd
Jerry's different. He is a different owner. He does radio hits. He talks after the game. He's Right. He's a. How many owners would go on Landman and look like an actor?
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Michael Irvin
But does that mean because Jerry's doing an interview, that is not a covenant job? Can we take it that far? Can we say that? Does that mean because Jerry's doing interview, that he hasn't done a good job when he gave you 12 and 5 talent every year over the last three years?
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Colin Cowherd
So.
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Michael Irvin
So, come on. I don't mind. You're not liking them. I don't mind. I don't want to say. I. I understand all that. A lot of people don't know him, but a lot of people don't like them. But. But. And that's why this stuff perpetuates itself so much. I'm just saying, man, let's look at the reality and measure the reality and stop having these crazy conversations about. This is not a coveted job.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Michael Irvin
Yes, it is.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm going to throw something. I'm interested in your answer for this. So years ago, I went to a therapist. I. I don't do it a lot, but I went to a therapist.
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Michael Irvin
Best thing in the world.
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Colin Cowherd
And so my wife and I were arguing about something, and the therapist said to me, he goes, you have a different brain than your wife. She's an artist. You're more accountant. And we don't argue anymore.
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Michael Irvin
Pretty good.
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Colin Cowherd
She sees colors, you see shapes. So when you criticize her for this, she sees the world differently than you. And then. And so I shared this with my wife, and she said, yeah, I'm smarter than you. Get over it.
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Michael Irvin
The point being stuff, though, it did.
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Colin Cowherd
Change the way I view arguments. I'm always thinking, I see the world in squares and circles. She sees it in shades of lavender. So A.J.
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Michael Irvin
Brown, you got to come to her and say, okay. When you say something, say, okay. How did you. How did you receive it?
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Colin Cowherd
That's right. You got to land for you.
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Michael Irvin
How did you receive.
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Colin Cowherd
So an A.J. brown, right, is reading a book on the sidelines.
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Michael Irvin
I was. I was happy.
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Colin Cowherd
That made you happy?
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Michael Irvin
Oh, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. See, our. My brain works differently. Well, how. What did you see?
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Michael Irvin
Because AJ Is me. Me and AJ we are like. I had to learn when I left football. Of course, I had some mistakes and missteps in football. So I said to myself, you're not catching any more touchdowns. Let's figure out why we have some of the situations we have. You know, I got to figure this out. And I was reading and trying to study and learn more about me. I ran up on this book. It's a Great book called Edison Gene the gift of the ADHD child. And in this book, they're talking about what A.J. brown. What A.J. brown was doing here. What he's doing is trying to calm what you call his reptilian brain. Anytime anyone in the third trimester of a mother's pregnancy, if she's stressed in any way, cortisol is released to the brain of the baby, telling the baby to prepare for a flight or fight environment, because that's what his mom is doing.
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Colin Cowherd
I've heard that before.
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Michael Irvin
Yeah, his mom is there, so. So his reptil and brain kind of get a little stuck. He's more apt to fight than reason. Like me. I'm more apt to fight you. You confront me than reason with you. And it serves me great on the football field. But when I'm driving down the street and somebody says, I have to figure out how to say, you know, the book will tell you. The book will tell you. Knowing that you're like, this is 75% of.
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Colin Cowherd
Just is how you see yourself in A.J. brown.
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Michael Irvin
Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. That's why when everybody said, what are you doing here for? I said, the man is totally focused. This is totally focused. I'm focused on my energy being good energy for the team, and I'm going to focus on me. And I know I can't let this situation take over me. I understand it because he and I are the same dude. I understand what he was doing right there. And I think all of us, a lot of receivers need to learn it and even do this right here, what he's doing, because it really is brilliant. They got through the game. And he was out there joking when Saquon didn't go all the way and run. You know what I mean? So he put him back in the right frame of mind, even though he only got one pass. I don't know if the book could have helped me with one pass in the playoff game, but it helped him. That's good.
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Colin Cowherd
That's good.
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Michael Irvin
I don't know. I would have been saying, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
It'S funny about that. I'll share something with the audience. I had lunch with Rich Eisen a couple months ago, and we. We were talking.
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Michael Irvin
That's my man, too.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I said, we. We had great affection for you. And we said, you know, and you've had some missteps in life, haven't we? Yours have been more public.
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Michael Irvin
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And. And. And our take was, you're a curious person. You're great. You have great empathy. And. And we Both shared kind of the same stories that we. We had such great feelings for you because you acknowledged stuff. You admit stuff. You're imperfect, but you're. You're. You. You always. You always come back to Michael at your heart. And I think what you're saying now you're addressing this with A.J. brown. I love that you're saying, guys, this is me. And everybody learns differently.
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Michael Irvin
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Everything lands differently. That's the.
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Michael Irvin
There.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not. I don't want to bore the audience.
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Michael Irvin
But you can't take. You can't take that side of me without realizing this. This side of me. And. And I'm working on this side of me.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Michael Irvin
Let me get this book out and work through me. You see what I mean? But. And that's just the difference.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. I'm watching the Rams last night, and there are times you had one with Jimmy Johnson. Very few players get an all time great coach. You had Jimmy Johnson. And I'm watching McVeigh last night.
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Michael Irvin
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
He's got Shanahan's brain. He's got Jimmy Johnson's understanding of personnel. He's got Andy Reid's play design. He's got Dan Campbell's ability to give you big alpha energy. I didn't see a game. I saw a little bit of a coaching mismatch last night. How is McVay viewed around the league?
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Michael Irvin
And I'm with you on this. I think me is an incredible coach. An incredible coach. Even a year they won that Super Bowl. To have that kind of talent on that team and not have any kind of situations from that team was incredible. That means he managed all of those personalities. Yeah, there's a lot of personalities.
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Colin Cowherd
And now he's got the crisis, the tragedy in Southern California around his facility.
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Michael Irvin
And he. And he puts it right in and use it. He uses it. He doesn't run away from it. He says to the guys, hey, let's give our people back home something.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Michael Irvin
To get away from the. The mess they're dealing with. Let's make some greatness out of that great mess, you know, and let's get. Let's try to ride this. Every team this time of the year tries to find that hook.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Michael Irvin
That hooks them in like that. That's why we always call it what man is also against the world. Ain't nobody saying. What do you mean? They just start saying that you guys are undefeated right now. Who's against you? But we always come up with these mantras. You're looking for a hook, you're looking for the hook. And this disaster has given the Rams one. And they played like it was a hook. Like we're going to give these people some relief from what the deal, what they've been dealing with. And they bought a who. They laid it out on the Vikings last night with them nine sacks. I mean, they played well.
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Colin Cowherd
So when you were a cowboy, the coach and the quarterback were the centerpiece of the team. And then you and Emmett were viewed as the, the weaponry. But it was a very quarterback, strong coach and quarterback personality. Philadelphia is interesting. I don't trust the coach. I think the center of the team is Saquon Barkley. I think the center of the team is the O line. And I don't know if you can win a Super bowl in 2025. And that's not a knock on Jalen Hurts. I like him, but he's not Lamar Mahomes. Statistically, he's not Goff, he's not Josh Allen. I don't think he's Stafford from the pocket. What do you make of a Philadelphia team where the coach is yelling at fans where the quarterback is kind of inconsistent? Can you win a Super bowl with that?
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Michael Irvin
I, I love that analogy that you just laid out and how you tracked it. You know, when you talk about the, the solidness of this team, I think Jalen Hurts is a great leader. A great leader. But Saquon has brought something different to this.
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Colin Cowherd
It's totally different.
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Michael Irvin
And let me tell you, and us just talking about Jalen, I mean AJ Brown on the sideline reading the book and then him and devontae Smith, man, why don't you keep running with. Go, go, go with the ball. I would have said keep running. Go down on the one yard line if you're going to go down the one.
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Colin Cowherd
I love that play.
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Michael Irvin
Right, right. Why you love it? You know why you love it. Let me tell you why you love it. Let me tell you why I think you love it. Because it just said to all of Philadelphia, hey, I'm totally not selfish. I. Any other running back would have gone and got the rest of those yards before he sat down. Because that's part of the great season you've had. You had a 2,000 yard rushing season. You're gonna have 100 and something.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you know how cognitively quick you have to be as a running back? The last guy in football you can hit from any angle. That Saquon Barkley, who didn't play the last week and could have set the record.
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Michael Irvin
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
So you could have that Animosity. You break free to seal it. And he is so in the moment that he said, no, it's about us, not me. It's about things.
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Michael Irvin
I got to talk about the ability.
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Colin Cowherd
In the moment to go, I'm gonna sit down right here. I was just like, oh, that dude's. That dude's going a thousand miles an hour right now.
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Michael Irvin
Let me tell you how I saw it. I said, oh, wow. Two things of that. Boy, that's great, because I saw Devonte and. And. And A.J. brown. What are you doing? Keep going, keep going, keep going. So he's showing them something here. Showing them, hey, man, it ain't about them numbers. It's about us getting the championship. And I love that part of it. I did not like the interview afterwards when he said, oh, well, you know, there are things that could have happened. I could have pulled the hamstrings. Oh, God. I don't hear why. Because. Because I want. I. That's why I wanted him to get the record last week at the end of the week, end of the season, because I wanted him to exercise that demon in his career. What's been the demon in his career? It's been injuries. And if you go past, I'm going to get this record. I'm not going to let that demon make me afraid to go and get the record. I believe that demon also made him afraid to continue running. That's why he fell down. Now. He was going to fall down on the one, but let's go get those other 60 yards. He has to deal with that. But the Lesson he gave A.J. brown and Devonte Smith, that was a great lesson, but he has to deal with that in his own mind. I'm so good at this, people. That's what I do because it's real. These guys, I've dealt with it. I had to study it because I had to calm my black butt down. I was crazy. You got to study these things. Don't just study what you do. Go learn why you did it. Don't just hear what people say. Understand how they think. That's how you win in life.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, When's the last time Dion and you text each other? Could you give us the time on that?
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Michael Irvin
This morning.
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Colin Cowherd
This morning?
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Michael Irvin
This morning. Yeah, of course.
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Colin Cowherd
And that's for the audience that just tuned in. He said to you what?
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Michael Irvin
Well, I can only tell you so much that you can't be telling the world everything is what he said to me. That's why I'm trying to thin this line right here. But but, but they are, but they are talking and to me, that's heaven. I'm in, I'm, I'm in Joy, because I talked about this yesterday with, with, with Keyshawn and Joy and of course Paul on speaking, they were talking about, well, what's the plan with Jerry? Jerry was going in, trying to make it work with Mike McCarthy, but they couldn't agree on the years. I said, oh, that's great. And so now before Jerry let you guys win and talk like he didn't have a plan, he'll go out. This will make him go, go and do something differently and more drastic because he, I've heard him said many times, I've always come out on top when forced to do something or make a hard decision. It always worked out and this time will be the same thing. I really do believe that. So all of Mike McCarthy fallout and Jerry wanted him and didn't get him or push this billionaire to go do something that he probably wouldn't have normally done, like a, hire a Deion Sanders or like that. So I, I'm, I'm excited to see what plays out. I'mma try to keep these, these big old lips. I got clothes like Dion ass. But it's a hard task. He understood it. He understood. He knows it's hard because, because I'm excited too. So I got to control myself.
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Colin Cowherd
Michael Irvin, the playmaker is always my friend.
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Michael Irvin
And I love you too, buddy. You're my man.
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Colin Cowherd
Great seeing you.
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Michael Irvin
I'm so happy right now, y'all, because we're going to have a good offseason. It gives us hope again.
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Colin Cowherd
Hope.
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Michael Irvin
We I, I, when I say I'm happy, I'm not happy about any man getting fired, but just happy about new direction.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Michael Irvin
And what's happening and what's going to happen. Totally.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. All right.
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Michael Irvin
We're about to be in prime time. I mean, football games. Y'all know what I mean? Let me leave that alone in la.
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Colin Cowherd
It's the Herd.
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Michael Irvin
Before I get in trouble, be sure.
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Colin Cowherd
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All right, Michael Irvin entertaining as he leaves the building to the very last step in the building he's entertaining Nick Wright and Michael Irvin Zach Irving is around the corner. J Mac we're going to her line News we'll just move on. We'll just talk a little bit about but I think Michael touched on I think Dion Sanders is better than a 50% chance to get the job that is my I think Deion Sanders to me is the leader in the clubhouse. I think Jerry wants to be interesting. I think Deion is interesting. He has back to back college jobs where he is to some level flourished. I think he connects with players. I think the NFL is getting younger, locker rooms are getting younger. So I think his wisdom and he could impart sort of Leadership and culture. And I do think the Cowboys don't. You don't think of them as a broken franchise, but maybe not Pittsburgh offensively, but they feel like the. The trains off the tracks and they got to get it back on the tracks. The jets feel broken. The Steelers offense feels broken. The Bears feel broken. The Titans for years did. Or Carolina. I don't think the Cowboys are broken. I think the trains got to get back on the track. They got to get the ball back in the fairway. And you know Dion, remember, among players, he's a legend. Among players, he is worshiped. And I think. And even the young kids who didn't see him play, so the NFL locker room's older. They have a greater understanding of who he is. So I don't know. I think. I think it's a 60, 40, 70, 30. Dion's the leader in the clubhouse. Let me ask you. Said you. You want to be interesting? He'll make him interesting. Okay. Don't you want to win football games, get back to a Super Bowl? But we're not. Dion doing that. We're not sure. He can't do that. That he. Well, has he proven it at the college level? Well, Colorado was not a very good job. It was a terrible job, terrible program. He did amazing things. I got that. But this idea that he's going to take a job, his son's going to be elsewhere in the league. And like, I. I don't. You're over 50% chance on Dion. I think I may be low. I think it's closer to. I think it's closer to 60. I would go closer to 5 to 10%. I know. I just don't see that. You should. You've been saying all week, this is not a good job, and now Dion. Well, no, no, I. What I'm saying is I think Philadelphia's roster. Jaden Daniels, Dax contract. Jerry's meddling. I don't view it as a highly coveted job. But then when I look at the jobs that are available this year, there was one I liked. There's about one job a year. I look at Chargers last year, Patriots this year. I'm like, oh, that's a good job. I'm telling you, New England got a great draft pick and they don't need a quarterback. Vrabel's literally going to trade down. They're going to get 13 draft picks. They're going to be a playoff team next year. So did the Patriots go for interesting or did they go for the best coach on the market? Jerry screwed this up once again. I don't again. He could have easily said, oh, McCarthy, we like it. We want Vrabel. We want to go for the best. But he wants interesting now, like name in the name in the lights. I don't get it, Colin. If I was a Cowboys fan, I'd be so irate right now. You can't get Ben Johnson right, because they screwed up and they missed the window because they were messing around with McCarthy and now it's like a Hail Mary for Deion Sanders. Well, if Dion's the coach, he'll have to beat Washington. Zach Ertz of the Commanders is joining us next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? 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Terms and conditions apply. See app for details. Lately on the NPR Politics podcast, we're talking about a big question. How much can one guy change?
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Michael Irvin
They want change.
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Colin Cowherd
What will change look like for energy? Drill baby Drill schools.
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Michael Irvin
Take the Department of Education. Close it.
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Colin Cowherd
Health care better and less expensive. Follow coverage of a changing country. Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on the NPR Politics podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update. But like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink. There was something sentimental when you, when you sit like, do I send the heart now I don't like the color edition. It's extremely pink. Listen to lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts holds it today. 116 catches most ever for a tight end. Zach Ertz is just a great guy to have in the room. Tight end for the Commanders, a three time Pro Bowler. Boy, this has been a magical season. I don't remember a team winning more games on hail Marys and doinks and last second games. It kind of feels magical. Have you ever been part of a team with this kind of late game success?
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Zach Ertz
Probably not this frequent to have this many closed games and you went on the very last play. You know we had the double doink in a playoff year in a playoff game a few years back in Philly and then we had another doink in this one for me, so. So I'm kind of used to that last second field goal. Obviously you wish they, they didn't come down to that, but it always feels good to win and all that matters this time of year is finding a way to win.
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Colin Cowherd
Obviously they brought you in for your leadership, your toughness and your productivity. How long did it take you, Zach? Maybe a practice, maybe whatever it was that you kind of watched Jaden Daniels and went, this doesn't really feel like a rookie quarterback necessarily.
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Zach Ertz
I know people were excited for him the moment he got here. They have the rookie minicamp. They're bringing the rookies and it's just rookies. And I get a text Saturday night from Cliff and like hey, you need to go watch the rookie minicamp film. Like cliff, I'm in my 12th year. Do I really need to go watch a rookie minicamp film? And he goes, you need to check it out. And they and I watched Jaden complete every pass over a two day period for rookie minicamp. And I think from then you knew the physical talent was there, but it also spoke to just his preparedness for that. He approached it like he was going into a game the way he was on time with everything. And just from the moment he got here, his maturity, his determination to be great and commitment to the process. Guys just Love playing for him and playing with them. And he's so talented as well.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You know what else I like about him, Zach? I like the podium. I know I get into this stuff, the podium, on the sidelines. He doesn't sulk. There's a temperament. There's a temperament thing. Dak had this. I remember when Dak broke into the league. Andrew Luck had this. And I talk about this stuff all the time, and my fans just give me nothing but crap for it, but I'm like, it's. It does matter for quarterbacks. His temperament is, like, mature, like. Right. It's different. So you see it, too.
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Zach Ertz
Yeah. He has the ultimate quiet confidence. He has such strong belief in himself, but it comes off in a way that is so humble. And guys just. I mean, I have. I compared him to Andrew in the training camp. People called me crazy, obviously, playing with Andrew in college, but just his poise, how composed he is. You can't tell whether we're up 21 points or down 21 points watching him on the sideline. And I think it's just. It rubs off on the rest of us because we know eventually, no matter what's going on, it will click because we see their guy that's leading our offense each and every week, just the same guy, and he knows that eventually he's going to make a play, and we know he's eventually going to make a play and we're going to take off from there. So it does rub off, and it does mean a lot. And I've played with guys that do not have that. And it's a lot more fun to play with the guy that is just composed and present in the moment every time.
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Colin Cowherd
I never doubt you, but you've had a hell of a year. You're the second leading receiver. You've had seven touchdowns. Be honest. Did you think you'd be this productive?
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Zach Ertz
You know, that's a great question. It's a fair question as well. I felt like the production when I'm healthy is always there. Honestly, if I'm being honest, I have a lot of belief in myself in the past two years that I just haven't been healthy. I had the knee injury two years ago, and I probably rushed back at the beginning of last year. And then last year, it just wasn't the offense. Everything happened in Arizona after Cliff left was just. It wasn't a great situation. And so just for me, I really wanted to be in a place where people believed in me again. And I tell people all the time, there's probably been two coaches in my career that believe in me as much as Cliff and Frank Reich. And those. Those two guys are special to me. And so just being able to be with Cliff and I heard amazing things about Coach Quinn, but even those have been far exceeded in my experience here. And just my entire experience on this team has far exceeded all my expectations. And I really just love, love coming to work every day. And that's when I get. That's when I'm at my best, when I'm able to be around guys that love the process because that's what I do.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, you're one of the smarter players in the league. And Jaden Daniels, as we talked about, has an Andrew Luck feel. It's funny you said that, because two days ago I said, I feel like I'm watching Andrew Lucky cognitively. Maturity, toughness. When Jaden targets you this year, 100 passer rating, five touchdowns, 70 completion rate. Will he extend your career? Will you stay in the game? Honestly, I feel like you kind of found a guy that you could grow with. I mean, you could sit and go home with Julie and say, I know we got young boys, but I want to play a few more years. Do you feel that way?
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Zach Ertz
Well, I think just being here in general with Coach Quinn and Cliff has made me feel rejuvenated. The way they've taken care of me this year with practicing and training camp and just making sure I'm at my best when the game comes, I feel young. And then playing with Jaden, Yes, I would love to play with Jaden for a long time. I don't think I have. I don't think this is my last year by any means. I still feel like I have a lot of good football in front of me. Obviously, there are things that are going to happen in terms of the business side, whatever it may be, but I don't worry about that stuff. Everyone knows how I feel about this place and the people here. I Wish I was 22 and just start my career to be able to play a really long time with this kid. But I've loved every minute of it being here.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. By the way, you had a couple catches this weekend. Third and fourth down, both got first downs. I think we've said this before. There are guys I want in a locker room in the NFL. They're just guys I want. And you're one of those guys. Zach Ertz, commander's tight end. Great seeing you. Love having you on. Your story is amazing. I grew up. I'm old enough to remember George Allen, they had a different name. They. I can literally recite the entire roster in 72, 3, 4, 5. When they were getting the Super Bowls, the Joe Gibbs teams. So it's a really great fan base. I am glad they're back. And thank you for stopping by our show as always, Zach, I appreciate it.
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Zach Ertz
All right, Colin, take care. Thanks for having me.
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Colin Cowherd
Just a great guy. Zachary again, this is a glue guy in a locker room and he made two catches this weekend. Once again, third down, fourth down. When you get a rookie quarterback. Bill Parcells was so good at this. Parcells always knew this. There are guys when he went to Miami and he was the GM and he started rebuilding the room. There are guys in a room, they're great weightlift guys, they're great film room guys. They're really smart guys. They're not selfish guys. They'll help young guys like Zach Ertz, Jaden Daniels go look at his numbers when he's targeting him. He completes 70% of his throws. And it's by the way, Brady, when he went to Tampa. Get me Gronk. Gronk's like, I'm retired. I'm good. I'm on the beach. Like, no, no, I need Gronk. I need a toughness. I need his mindset. You know, there's this, the whole Jaden Daniels story is that he. I'm glad he mentioned Andrew Luck. Like, I. That's what I feel like I'm watching. Like, this doesn't make sense. How is Jaden Daniels this smart, this prepared, this accurate, this poised? His fourth quarter and overtime passer rating, it's like, I think it's almost best in the league. Makes no sense. All right, Nick Wright, Michael Irvin, Zach Ertz, how lucky are we? As Jim Harbaugh would say, nobody's got it better than us. J. Mac, it's a night off. I still, I still may just do some mock draft prep tonight. Fox just hit me and said, hey, your Fox. Your mock draft did monster numbers last month. Can you do another this week? Do you want to collaborate on one? No. You work. Row your own boat.
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Michael Irvin
Whether you're ordering wings for the game, whipping up a seven layer dip, or ordering pizza, there's something about football that makes you want to eat in this football season. Uber Eats has the best deals on game day food, no matter what you're craving. From two for one pizza, to buy one, get one wings. Uber Eats will be dropping new deals each week all season long. Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL Order now for game day. Terms and conditions apply. See app for details.
- [46:45]
Colin Cowherd
Lately on the NPR Politics podcast, we're talking about a big question. How much can one guy change?
- [46:52]
Michael Irvin
They want change.
- [46:53]
Colin Cowherd
What will change look like for energy? Drill baby. Drill schools.
- [46:58]
Michael Irvin
Take the Department of Education. Close it.
- [47:00]
Colin Cowherd
Health care better and less expensive. Follow coverage of a changing country. Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on the NPR Politics Podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joel, the holidays are a blast, but the financial hangover? That can be a huge bummer. If you are out there and you're dreading the new state of an email that reveals the massive balance that you may have racked up. Well, you could use our help. That's right. I'm Joel. And I am Matt, and we're from the how to Money podcast. Our show is all about helping you make sense of your personal finances so you can ditch your pesky credit card debt once and for all, make real progress on other crucial financial goals that you've got, and just feel more in control of your money in general. You know it. For money advice without the judgment and jargon, listen to how on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch right in time for a new season of my podcast, Next Question. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also gonna have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.