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Jason McIntyre
Be sure to catch us live every.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio and a three time Super bowl champ and a one time MVP Julian Edelman. Now joining us on the set Fox NFL Sundays. I always think it's fascinating to talk to you in moments like this because this game's, I've had so many pros tell me there's regular season games, there's playoff games, and then this is the flashlight flash ball game. Like is different. Go to your first series of every Super Bowl. Even for you, I mean, even in New England, practices were intense.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Is the first series different? Is there, I mean, Michael Irvin said like in warm ups the first time, like couldn't feel his legs. Is it different?
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Julian Edelman
It is very different. The lights are brighter and early in my career they still had the flashes. So I used to play on kickoff team. And you remember, you see those epic shots of all the flashes from the first kickoff of the Super Bowl. And that first drive is one of those feel like we gotta get, we can't dip our toe, we gotta dive into the water type drives where anytime we had a force block. I remember the first time going in and blocking Cam Chancellor on like the first play. I would always go in and try to light someone up to clear the cobwebs. Everyone's a little nervous. Everyone's thinking about stuff. It's the first play of the game. Remember I went in, lit up, tried to light up Cam Chancellor and he felt like a rooted tree and it was a big hit and it kind of stumbled me. But like after that I was like, all right, my feet are wet. Yeah, I'm ready to go. And I do think for receivers getting the ball early, you know, after two week prep, you know, it's a four hour game. You've been through opening night, you've been through media night. There's been so many logistics you've had to cover from taking care of your friends, your family, all the distractions. Getting something early is like, all right, we're involved now, we can get going. So I agree, this, this, this game is different. Everyone's a little bit healthier because of the extra week off. Everyone's a lot more prepared because you have two weeks to prep for guys. And it's just, it's a whole nother speed. There's no saving the gas. Like you save the gas a little bit here and there in the regular season because it's a long season here. When you have professional athletes that are big, fast and strong, playing relentless, it's a different game.
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Jason McIntyre
I asked Michael this about Jimmy Johnson. I'll ask you the same question with Belichick. You've often told me that Bill was so good on Saturday nights. Tom said this. Just buttoning stuff up. What is the pregame speech for a Super Bowl?
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Julian Edelman
The pregame speech for the super bowl, it changed every year, but the one that sticks out was 14. When we went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl. It was kind of like our generation of Patriots first go at it. And he went on this big speech of everyone's here for a reason. The Rob Ninkoviches that were long snappers, the Devin McCourty's that weren't first round draft picks, the me who was a quarterback, the Tom Brady who was getting old. Everyone was kind of like a misfit or an outcast at that time. They couldn't get over the hump. And he just reminded us like, we're all here for a reason and let's make that reason for a win. So, you know, it was, it was not nothing like, it wasn't like Al Pacino in any given Sunday. It was subtle. And he would show clips and highlights of guys in college and guys that, you know, pivotal pieces of the team. The James Whites, the Shane Vereens, those guys. He would show everyone like, this is our reason why we're here. Just, you know, and it did get you fired up and you get all, get all fiery and then you had to go to two hour walkthrough. But you know, it was good. It was good.
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Jason McIntyre
Strangely, despite all the components, you guys are a slow first quarter super bowl team. Were the plays scripted or, or. And I always think Bill had such confidence in his culture and system that he wouldn't mind. It's like Ali in his prime. I'm going to feel this puppy out. I'm not going to unload the exotics. Why did you guys start so slowly?
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Julian Edelman
I think it's, it's a, it's a very hard game to get a rhythm in. There's longer commercials, there's more commercials. There's an anticipation by everyone because of the two weeks, I mean, and all, everything that, how big they make this event. Like you feel that in the first few drives. And then also I think he would always say it's a, you gotta wait for the game to declare. So guys, there's going to be a point in the. Either the first quarter, the second quarter where we're on our script and we're going to have to adjust to the adjustments and the game is going to declare. I just remember him always saying that. And then. And yeah, we go in with somewhat of a scripted, not a West Coast 25 play script, but we'd have, like, certain plays that we knew we wanted to run here and there. And it was always kind of like, all right, we'll see how they're playing this play, because we have a counter to this play. Okay, is the dn. Is he slooping on this thing? Is he coming out? How's he playing it? How's this often? How's his coverage going? So it's a lot of feeling each other out, seeing what the game plan, what they've been working on, any wrinkles. And it's just one of those things where we driving the ball a couple times we threw, you know, we fumbled it or picked it. It just once again, a lot of nerves going into that first drive. Lack of rhythm because of all the lengthy timeouts and just guys just trying to feel what. What the game's going to be.
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Jason McIntyre
You. You hear a lot the critics of Chiefs fatigue and I think the ultimate compliment. I remember this with the Jordan rules and Shaq and Kobe and New England. It's like, like, I always thought Deflategate was a joke. I just. To me, it was just nonsense. When you hear Chiefs fatigue and they're getting the calls, I do think that Buffalo game, I thought it was a first down. Didn't get it. I mean, the Tuck rule, it is what it is. There was 13 minutes left in that game with Buffalo. Make a play. But you've been in that world where you're kind of the villain. Was it inspiring? Did you care?
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Julian Edelman
It was definitely inspiring. And if this is the. If this is the worst thing they get is that the refs call for them. Like we went through a couple gates, you know, like that. That they'd get off easy if this is. If this is the length of how much people are getting on them. But I think it's a. It's one of those things where everyone says stuff about you. It kind of. It's the biggest compliment where everyone has to come up with excuses instead of just beating you. So it's the ultimate compliment, I think.
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Jason McIntyre
I do think there's a real connectivity between you and the Patriots or you and the Chiefs. It's a star coach, star quarterback, often going into a super bowl where people think the Seahawks or the Eagles have better players or the Niners, but you're both. You and the Chiefs are so great in situations. You're circumstantially, situationally so strong. You won a lot of close games and that's why it's so ironic that you lost to the Giants twice in close games. Did you feel it was an advantage having those games with Baltimore and Peyton Manning in Pittsburgh, like games that were in doubt with four minutes left? Does that play a part in a Super Bowl? Like I've kind of been here.
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Julian Edelman
It does play a part because it's a bit of experience. I remember when we were down, what New Orleans, week four, two scores with a minute 30. We came back and won that game. Kimbrough, Tompkins, on the, the sideline, on the, with play, with time ending like that was on week four. But that feeling that guys felt that you can come from behind when it's against all odds that lasts the whole season, that's a bit of experience. So I do think that all these close games that the Chiefs have played in, that's just built to their, their situational football. Like whenever the game was close, we understood that our coach always talked about being a tough, mentally tough, physical team that performs under pressure in situations consistently, and that's what the Chiefs have done. If you look at a lot of their stats, they're not explosive by any means, but they're 10% higher than last year on third down. They have like something 49, 10 play plus drives. And what's that? That's them evolving their team, knowing that they have a great defense and having these long drives and adjusting their team to winning the game. A lot of these teams, they get all infatuated with having the best running offense or the best passing offense or this, that the Chiefs just worry about getting one more point than the other team. That's where they're at in their career.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, Mahomes and Kelsey, there's a lot of times that I just think they look at each other. You clearly, especially like by the time you're getting to Atlanta in that super bowl, were there times that you did go off script where there was a Super bowl moment where Tom looked at you and it was one of those where maybe you tried it and it didn't work and you kind of just felt like, does that happen in a game of this magnitude?
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Julian Edelman
It does happen. Super Bowl 49, Seattle. It was a third down in that last drive before where we're going down to score after I got. I took that big hit. It was the next drive. There was a Haas Z juke, where I have a juke route in the middle of the route. And they did. They dropped a pea dropper. So there was eight guys in coverage, three rushing, and the guy dropped out. And I brought my depth deeper and went around him, and we ended up converting the third down. And me and Tom literally just talked about this play like it wasn't on there, but because of the time on task that we had with each other and the trust that we had with each other. Like, he. He trusted my eyes in that situation, and I trusted his throw in that situation.
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Jason McIntyre
I remember that play.
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Julian Edelman
You know what I mean? So a lot of that happens through the reps and the preparation that you've had for years with guys. I mean, Travis and Patrick can finish each other's sentences because they've seen the same looks football. There's only six coverages. Okay, let's break it down. It's not. It's not rocket science. There's only so many things they can actually do, and they've seen everything multiple times. So when they see a messed up look with a look, they can determine without even talking, hey, we know what we're doing. Because Thursday practice, we hit this, remember, on the. And they don't even have to say anything. Non verbal comps.
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Jason McIntyre
What do you do on Friday before the Super Bowl? What's that?
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Colin Cowherd
What's that practice?
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Julian Edelman
Like, Friday's fast. Friday. So it's. It's a very mental, fast practice. No balls on the ground, crossing the T's, dotting the I's, going over certain situations that may have gave you some trouble early that week in practice or the. The fall of the prior week of practice back at home. You go over all that, you tighten it up, you get a little lift in. It's very fast. It's very mental. And then like usually Friday night, this is like your last day to hang out and see your family. Then you're going Zero Dark Thirty, LeBron style after that. So you have your night where they. There's probably some, like, welcome the families to the super bowl thing. You say hi to your family, you have a dinner potentially. And then after that, tomorrow you have your picture day. And it's a big mental day, walk through day. You're kind of getting your treatment in. You're trying to calm the storm before you know it's real calm. And today is like your last day. This is your last day physically to go out and rep something. Now you can have a thousand different. Like in Seattle, when we felt like we needed more man coverage plays in the red area. We had all the hay in the barn. That weeks of practice, that two weeks of practice. We put in like three or four plays in the red area. Saturday night before the game. The X return where I scored, and then the Danny touchdown where he. It was the four crossers in the red area. We knew. We felt like we need. I don't know where we got it, but Josh and Tom, they said, we need some more. I remember Tom saying, we need something else. What if they. I. I want a. Easier look. I don't want to have to process. Here, here, here in the red area. So we put those two plays in and we repped it night before. So, like, there's a lot of the crossing the T's.in the eyes, finishing the family right now. Today, Friday, Saturday, it's zero dark 30.
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Jason McIntyre
Did Bill give you. I mean, you guys had some. Some of.
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Colin Cowherd
You were young.
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Jason McIntyre
You were young at one point. Did Bill give you a night on the town? Yeah, Tuesday, so you can go out and do whatever.
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Julian Edelman
Monday night off. Tuesday. Tuesday there.
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Unnamed Analyst
Or.
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Julian Edelman
There was no. There was no curfew. Monday, Tuesday, you had like a regular off day Tuesday, where you're expected to kind of go in and get some treatment, watch some film, but it's not mandatory, but you're looked at differently if you don't do it, you know, so. Yeah, guys would go out on a Monday. I remember going my. My first super bowl before I was really playing it that many times in Indy. Hanging with Cope and drinking a couple beers and just talking old war stories. That happened. We have. We had that. Yeah, we had fun. I know, I know. Everyone thinks we didn't have fun, you know. No, it's real fun. Going to the damn parade the next day.
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Jason McIntyre
That's fun. Yeah, the. You know, it's. By the end with Tom, he was so iconic. I mean, Tom was so big.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
I still. I was at the Atlanta Super Bowl. I don't know. To me, that is. I thought everything changed. I thought Tom, you know, there was all this ridiculous talk for years. Well, you know, the system. And then I thought, after the Atlanta super bowl, it's like we just watched the best player that's ever played football play. You, of course, had the catch. I thought everything felt different. You guys were a dynasty. It felt like Tom sort of went into the galaxy of, oh, he's above Montana. He's above Elway. Take me beyond the catch. And the catch what do you remember about at the end of the. Because I went back, looked the highlights two nights ago. I mean, every play, Julian, in the last. Every play in the last half hour mattered.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Was that the most intense environment ever?
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Julian Edelman
You know, I don't think so. It was intense, but it wasn't the most because once again, like we were talking about earlier, we had that situation. We were down 10 points against Seattle in the fourth quarter before and had the biggest comeback from behind, Victory. Now, that experience helped us going forward to this one, but we did. I mean, you did feel that Tom hit a different stratosphere after we won that game because, you know, he overcame Bradshaw, Montana got to five. But I always tell the story, like, before that year, we were training in la, and on the whiteboard, Tom had the address to the super bowl in Arizona. And I asked him, what's this? And he says, it's a Super Bowl. And I was like, man, I can't wait to get you past Joe. I want to get you past Joe. We got to catch Joe because we were both San Francisco 49er fans. He looked at me and didn't miss a beat and said, I'm going for Jordan. I'm not going for Joe. You know? And then after that, when we won that game, I said, we're going for Jordan. It was fun.
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Colin Cowherd
It was.
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Jason McIntyre
He's got a podcast, games with names. Fox NFL kickoffs, Sundays in the fall on Fox. Three Super Bowls, one Super bowl mvp. And it's great seeing you, man. You've always been so good for us.
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Julian Edelman
You guys are awesome. You guys, this is awesome. How fun is this?
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Jason McIntyre
Not bad. New Orleans catch Julian. Super bowl pregame coverage starts at 1pm Eastern. Quite a day on Fox. Take a break live in the Crescent City. Return after this.
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Colin Cowherd
Be sure to catch live editions of the herd.
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Jason McIntyre
Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9:00am Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's talk about Amazon prime for a minute. I've got mine. Do you have yours? Not just about one thing. It's a whole collection of services that help you get the most out of whatever you're into. If you're passionate about a hobby, a sport, or all sports in my case, or you just need to get things done fast. Prime. Amazon Prime's got your back. You can watch content, order supplies, listen on Amazon music. It's all included under one prime membership. Of course, we can all agree one of the best things about prime is the fast, free delivery. With prime, you can have what you need delivered the same day. But it's more than that. Prime is a collection of excellent services. I love it. Amazon Music Listen to the tunes that keep you in the zone or this podcast. Whatever you're doing working out on the road, prime doesn't just help you get closer to the things you care about, it helps you discover new things too. Prime's always there to fuel your passion, make it just a little bit easier. So whatever you're into, it's on Prime. Visit Amazon.comprime now you can count on.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say With Bobby Bones and Matt Castle between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times best sellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.
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Julian Edelman
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it.
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Jason McIntyre
It was like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color addition.
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Jason McIntyre
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to Say, with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jason McIntyre
Welcome back to New Orleans. You know, J. Mac and I went out for lunch yesterday. Both of us are flying tomorrow in the morning very early. So I'm trying to, as his mentor, push him past his comfort zone tonight and maybe stay out. But you know, in New Orleans, as we say, 11pm Turns to 3am Very quickly, it's, it's the crawfish, the jambalaya. You look up and it's like, where did the night become morning? With that, here's J. Mac with a new.
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Julian Edelman
No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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Unnamed Analyst
All right, let's start with Saquon Barkley. The superstar had an incredible first season in Philly, fell just 101 yards short of Eric Dickerson's regular season rushing record. Despite not getting that, saquon is only 30 yards shy of breaking Terrell Davis. Remember that guy? His single season record of 2476 rushing yards, that happened in 1998. And the hall of Famer spoke to the potential of the record breaking moment.
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Julian Edelman
It's not about whether I want him to, but if somebody's going to break, couldn't happen, you know, to a better guy, man, a better athlete, better, better person, excited for him and you know, his journey and where he was last year. Now he gets the chance to be in a postseason one game away from winning the super bowl, man. So he's going to break it, obviously. I mean, he's only 29 yards away from it, so he'll break it. But they'll put me second and third. That's still pretty cool. I can live with that.
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Jason McIntyre
Here's the thing. So at Penn State, he did not have good O lines and it was amazing. With the Giants, he did not have good O lines and was really good. And you know who he reminds me of a little bit? I'll tell you. Joe Burrow. So Joe Burrow has been excellent in Cincinnati with by and large bad O lines, cheap ownership and rosters. Not as good as Pittsburgh. Since Baltimore and sometimes Cleveland, I always, when I watch Saquon, I think what we know, Saquon was great before Philly, but what if you put Joe Burrow behind Detroit's offensive line or Phillies? So I think what it proves is if you're great at something and you work really, really hard, you may not get it your first three or four years out of college or you may not get it your years out of high school. But eventually great players. Walter Payton eventually got a great Bears team. Eventually. You know what I mean? Like eventually Christian McCaffrey got his Kyle Shanahan and the Niners. And I do think if you stay upright and healthy long enough, the great players, they'll find their way to the right organization. He would have been cheated if we never saw him behind a great O line because this, that Walter Payton played behind some bad ones. But eventually he got a team that was worthy of Walter Payton. And I feel like the Eagles are worthy of an all time player.
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Unnamed Analyst
Do you remember the narrative around John Elway before Terrell Davis showed up? It was he can't win the big game.
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Jason McIntyre
That's right.
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Unnamed Analyst
And he was getting blasted in super bowls by like 30.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Unnamed Analyst
And then Terrell Davis shows up and he finally got help. I remember that last Super Bowl. Jalen hurts against the Chiefs. It felt like Jalen hurts against the world, didn't it? He, he was passing. I think he had 70 rushing yards. He was heroic. Now he can lean on Saquon. It's another reason I like the Eagles in this game. Colin Saquon Barkley. Are you kidding me? I can't wait till he breaks the record. Next story is I'm gonna have to start calling them your Patriots. Remember they went 4 and 13, they dumped their coach, but they have Drake May. They added Mike Vrabel and get this, Ian Rapoport. NFL Network talked about how May's reputation has continued. Drake May in the NFL has a little bit of like a mythical reputation. He was the guy everybody wanted in the draft, right. Like it was Caleb, Jaden Daniels and everybody wanted Drake May. Everyone tried to trade up for him. I think it was like we're gonna have to get our like socks knocked off to trade this guy. And then he went out and played with a not good team without great talent, with an offensive line that should be talented and really looked not very good. Receivers that were not very good except for maybe a couple or one. And he looked good.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I think he's really good. For the record. Who did I pick as the surprise team in the NFL next year?
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Unnamed Analyst
Yes, I know, I know. Let me back up a little bit. So you know Caleb Williams statistically had a better year than May. But when you look at what Caleb had, Colin talent wise and how he was afraid to make mistakes. But remember Drake May had it, I think a better season. You could argue a better season as a rookie with working with less than Caleb Williams.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I mean, I mean how about Jaden Daniels who worked with. Outside of Terry McLaren, maybe less than New England.
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Unnamed Analyst
Cliff Kingsbury. I'm genius. I. I love Cliff Kings.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen, the great thing about that draft, Caleb can play. Jaden's a home run. Drake May looks like he could be Michael Penck. Bo Nix at a high level for a rookie. I think Penck and JJ McCarthy are both franchise players. We could have a. What is it? A five for five. We had now that the Herbert Tua Hertz Burrow class.
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Unnamed Analyst
Oh, yeah, that was loaded.
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Jason McIntyre
But I mean, this is the third quarterback class in about. I don't know if it's six years, seven years. We may get like four starters, high end starters and J.J. mcCarthy, obviously.
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Colin Cowherd
We'll see.
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Jason McIntyre
I think.
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Unnamed Analyst
I mean, I think he's gonna be the starter, right?
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah. All right, final story. Colin is the Bengals. They have three core players looking to get paid this offseason. Jamar Chase T. Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. Joe Burrow has not shied away from direct messaging to the Cincinnati front office about keeping their great players in town. And he doubled down yesterday with the Breakfast Ball crew.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, I do, I do. You know, we have the capsules to get it done right. And I know, you know, I want to make it happen.
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Jason McIntyre
Everybody involved.
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Julian Edelman
Trey T, Jamar, Mike G. We all want to stay together. And so when you have guys that are motivated like that, I think, you know, you can get those things done.
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Unnamed Analyst
So they said, hey, we need you to restructure.
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Julian Edelman
It's something you would consider not knowing what the numbers are. You'd be willing to at least have that type of conversation to keep the core guys together.
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Colin Cowherd
Of course.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, here's what's interesting. There is sort of a little bit of a pivot by the NFL. A lot of the top. And Kansas City believes this, the Rams believe this. Spend your money on offense, mostly outside of a great defensive lineman. Chris Jones, Max Crosby. Draft your defense. Keep your defense young, fast, a little raw like Kansas City, but eventually move off defensive players to pay for the left tackle, the quarterback, the weapons. So if Cincinnati is going to make a choice on where to put the money, I am all for. It's very hard to carry an elite quarterback and two elite receivers. But I will say this. Most of the top front offices like Philadelphia right now, they got two rookies. Jalen Carter, Noah Smith. They got. They're spending a lot of money on offense. They got some steals on defense, they got five guys playing on defense. They're not paying yet. I think that's the future of the League. Pay your stars, your left tackle, your weapons, draft defense, pay a Jalen Carter Hendrickson in Cincinnati, Max Crosby, pay the TJ Watt.
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Unnamed Analyst
But you gotta hit those picks.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, no, but once you hit them, you pay one great front four, front five player, that's it. Otherwise you just draft like crazy.
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Unnamed Analyst
So if you're T. Higgins, do you want to stay with Burrow or do you want to just go to whoever's paying you the most?
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Jason McIntyre
No Burrow.
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Unnamed Analyst
What's wrong with chasing some money?
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, how did devonte Adams do leaving Aaron in Green Bay? He was enjoying money.
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Unnamed Analyst
He was rolling around in a bathtub full of money. He was enjoying it. The losing on probably not so much.
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Jason McIntyre
He was rolling around in a bathtub of L's J. Mac with the news.
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Julian Edelman
Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd line news.
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Jason McIntyre
It is always interesting to talk about that. Like if you're a wide receiver, think how good Larry Fitzgerald was. But Larry Fitzgerald was better the better quarterback he had right. You, a receiver is to some degree beholden to a left tackle and a quarterback and a coordinator. And I mean, listen, everybody wants to get paid. I've always said in my business, make sure the management's right. You don't want to be a really expensive chandelier in an empty mansion like make sure that. Make sure it's right. T. Higgins. And I want to see him get paid. Not only do I get Joe Burrow, not only do I get an offensive coach, but I get Jamar Chase, who's going to draw more double teams. So the reality for G. Higgins, he made me a number two. That is a perfect number two situation like devontae Smith. I got an offensive coach. I've got a running game in Saquon Barkley where the safeties can't cheat. I've got AJ Brown on the other side and I have an experienced quarterback in Jalen. Hurts like you're devontae Smith. Eventually I'm taking less money to stay in Philadelphia. You can make all the money in the world and go play for the Saints or play for the Panthers and get lost.
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Unnamed Analyst
Well, what if the Chargers call Jim Harbaugh says, hey, that's different. Hey, we want you.
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Jason McIntyre
It's a fair question. But I get Herbert and Harbaugh, two.
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Unnamed Analyst
Good tackles, Lad McConkey, a very good number.
- [31:41]
Jason McIntyre
So I think the Chargers are a place I would go to. I would leave Burrow, but I want at least Herbert.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah, you're not going to like a bottom tier quarterback.
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Jason McIntyre
And receivers are Listen, running backs are somewhat dependent on O line somewhat. I mean, Christian McCaffrey was great in Carolina, too. Receivers are very dependent on a wide, on a quarterback and a left tackle.
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Unnamed Analyst
Now, you were talking to a quarterback here earlier. I won't say the name if you want to mention, but he sure as heck could use T. Higgins where he's playing.
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Jason McIntyre
I did talk to a quarterback this morning. I think T. Higgins is the best number two receiver in the league. Jordan Addison's really good.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah, he could still be a good number one. We don't know. We. I mean, there's a chance he could still be a good number one big body receiver.
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Jason McIntyre
Puka was a two that this year became a one. So he's no longer a two.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
All right. We're in the Crescent City in New Orleans. J. Mac had a hell of a year picking games. He doesn't agree with me much and he certainly doesn't agree with me in this one. I think we'll all find out next.
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Colin Cowherd
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Julian Edelman
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit everything. Because we got lots to say. I I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update. But like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest. It was a little pink.
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Julian Edelman
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
It's like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color. It's edition.
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Jason McIntyre
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jason McIntyre
We are ready for the gumbo of game time headlines with J. Mac. What would super bowl week be without closing out a segment? How long we've been doing this about?
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Unnamed Analyst
I think this is year seven.
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Jason McIntyre
I think because you were doing this on the show before.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
You were in the chair.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
So you were doing this for several years.
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Unnamed Analyst
It was, it was crushing. It was just such a powerful segment that you're like, we got, we got it. We got to bring this on every.
- [37:23]
Jason McIntyre
Week, reshaping the industry much like Mahomes has done to the NFL.
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Unnamed Analyst
Oh, please.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, tomorrow's headlines today, Super Bowl 59. What's going to be the headline?
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Unnamed Analyst
All right, let's get the pick out of the way early. Colin, you know I've been on the Eagles all season. I've been, I'm a Chiefs hater. The headline will be tush, shush, be quiet about the Chiefs three peat the Eagles. Colin, just like last year when I picked a better team, I'm going with a better team again now. It didn't quite work out last year. Niners did lead 10 nothing and then kind of collapsed a little bit. Special teams miscue and they blow it in overtime. I don't see the Eagles doing that. And Colin, I have legit concerns about the Chiefs offense having success against this Eagles defense. I know you don't. And you look at some of these numbers from Mitchell, the rookie cornerback. I mean, hell, Terry McLaurin, head to head. One catch in the NFC championship game to get the games against Puka. Puka had two catches. He can't. Mitchell is a lockdown guy. I think Patrick Mahomes is going to have to attack Darius Slay who can make big plays. And I just, I don't see the Chiefs offense having a ton of success. I love this Eagles defense. I'm going 31 to 19. I know it's a double digit win. A little alt spread action. If you're, if you're into it. I just think this is a really good Eagles team. I think the best offensive line in the league manhandles Chris Jones and company And I see that look on your face. Eagles beat the Chiefs no 3 peat.
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Jason McIntyre
Colin, sounds like you're betting with your heart. Tomorrow's headlines today, who's going to be the MVP of Super Bowl 59?
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Julian Edelman
All right.
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Unnamed Analyst
You know I love to fade narratives. The media all over a certain player. Well, he's not that good. He's not a top five guy. The headline for MVP will be squat goals, Quarterback puts Bros on his back. Give me Jalen Hurts as the mvp. I know. Listen, Saquon's gonna have a good game. I did bet some Saquon props. But I think Hertz is going to be the guy. And the narrative Colin around Hertz is weird. Yeah, he had one 300 yard game this season. Is he that good? He had two games over 250 yards. That's it. How good is he? But he's playing to the team's strengths. But this is where things I think will change. Spagnolo, he's going to cook up something to slow Saquon Barkley. Nobody's been able to do that this season. He's having an unbelievable year. I think Hertz can deliver. And I just look at that last super bowl against the Chiefs. Colin, he was unbelievable. You and I would agree. Best player on the field last super bowl was Jalen Hurts.
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Jason McIntyre
He was very good.
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Unnamed Analyst
And I know he had to fumble, scoop and score, but last 13 games that he started and finished, 33 touchdowns, one turnover for Jalen Hurts. The guy is underrated, if that's possible. And I think he captures the MVP. I think you can get him at like +370 or something like that.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, so if you think it's 31:19. Tomorrow's Headlines Today, what in the world is the headline for the Chiefs?
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah, listen, I know Kansas City Chiefs fans are all over the town. We see a lot of them in here in the background. It's going to be a tough one. The headline will be Acid Ref luck. Zebras leave Chubb Chief. Stomach churning. Listen, one of the big stories in the postseason has been the Kansas City Chiefs and the refs. Nobody likes that. We don't like talking about the refs. You hate it. Okay, I don't think the refs will be a huge story here. And if you look at the last two Super Bowls, Colin, Kansas City's offensive line has not been called for one holding, not one in the last two Super Bowls, but this will be. This is your weakest offensive line, I believe, since that Tampa Super Bowl. And the Eagles defensive line, I believe, has a big edge. I do think Tooney's going to have to probably move around. I don't think you can keep him a left tackle, maybe kick him back inside to double Carter and Davis. I do think we're going to see some issues and maybe the Chiefs fans will be like, hey, where the refs? I thought we had them in the back pocket. Obviously, we're having some fun here. Go Eagles.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, what will be the headline then for Andy Reid? Tomorrow's headlines today, if the Chiefs lose, what's going to be the headline for Andy Reid after the loss?
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Unnamed Analyst
You know, Reid has come out and said, I'm coming back no matter what. You know, we kind of sort of believe him, right? Andy Reid. Why would he lie to us? The headline for Andy Reid will be the Reed Hot Chili Peppers. Andy keeps the band together. I don't think he's going anywhere. You and I agree. What is he, 66? Turning 67 here in March?
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Jason McIntyre
But he's youthful.
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Unnamed Analyst
He's a youthful 66, if that's such a thing. And you see Belichick's doing his new thing in college football now. I don't see Reid doing that. He's. He's too good of a coach to just walk away.
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Jason McIntyre
Too creative to just sit on a rocking chair.
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Unnamed Analyst
I mean, he's got Patrick Mahomes in his prime now. You know, there's some other players that could be moving on, but I think Reid sticks around and he's a great guy, great ambassador for the NFL. So Andy Reid will be sticking around.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, there are dialing up X's and O's for Mahomes. Beats crossword puzzle.
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Unnamed Analyst
Come on.
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Jason McIntyre
Of course, if you're still having fun and being paid well, keep doing what you're doing. All right. For a coach that. I don't get his methodology, but he wins. Tomorrow's headlines today, Nick Sirianni has to be held back, often from his own fans. What's the headline?
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Unnamed Analyst
He had a much maligned year. I don't know if any show beat up Sirianni the way we did and he's had some missteps. However, the headline for Nick Sirianni will be Sorry, not Sirianni. Nick makes no apologies. And I think with a Super bowl win. Colin, we remember Andy Reid's amazing run in Philly. Andy Reid was known as the guy who could not win the big game. I. I looked this up one in four in NFC championship games. Sirianni's back in the Super Bowl. Like, come on, like, this guy's, maybe he's a good coach. His methodology doesn't line up with what we would do and operate. But Sirianni wins this and Colin I again, I go back to Andy Reid like he had great players. Donovan McNabb could not win a Super Bowl. Sirianni does it with Jalen Hurts, who is a second round pick. I think we got to start to give him his props and maybe back off the is he going to get fired kind of deal.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I mean, it's there. I've, I've found through the years you can be kind of polarized, that you can be Bill Parcells confrontational. You can be a little bit more chill. Tony Dungy, you can be the offensive coach. Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Chuck Noel Belichick, defensive coaches. I think one thing we, I've come to terms with through the years, I mean, Nick Foles won a Super bowl, so did Doug Peterson. There's a lot of different ways to win Super Bowls now, partly because of who he's dating. There's a lot of speculation around one Travis Kelce. So our final one, tomorrow's headlines today, what is the headline for in Super Bowl 59 for Travis Kelce?
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Unnamed Analyst
You know, like I said earlier, Kelsey coming off his worst playoff game, I think he had two catches.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Unnamed Analyst
Wasn't a factor in the offense. And it didn't matter. They still took down the Bills. The headline for Travis Kelce will v. We are never ever retiring ever. I don't see Travis Kelce going anywhere. I mean, I think he leads the league in commercials or he's up there, he's just making money. He's dating Taylor Swift. He's got a great life. And I don't want to criticize his regular season, but he kind of slept, walked through it. He was not amazing. Putting up like massive.
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Jason McIntyre
Well. They didn't even play well against Houston.
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Unnamed Analyst
He did not well, you should be good.
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Jason McIntyre
He was good.
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Unnamed Analyst
He was not just amazing all season, but again, like they're now playing for Super Bowls. You heard Edelman say, hey man, I don't want to catch Montana, I want to catch Jordan. I think Travis Kelsey just thinks Super Bowls, we're going to the playoffs every year. Why would I retire? And I just don't see it happening. You keep Reed, you keep Kelsey, you keep Mahomes. They got Chris Jones locked in. And then you just basically cycle through everyone else, right? You got the Offensive line, the Chiefs, you know, I know some guys here at our network are very happy about it. Chiefs are built to not go anywhere for the next five years. I don't see it.
- [45:12]
Jason McIntyre
Well, I, you know, I do think so. I like Kansas City close, high scoring. Michael Irvin said low scoring. You like Philadelphia in kind of a Route 12.
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Unnamed Analyst
A route. I mean get a late touchdown to pull away and boy, they get that late touchdown. What are we wearing Monday on the show Eagles green, huh?
- [45:29]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I, I, the only way I see Kansas City getting handled is Philadelphia is not as effective coming from behind.
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Unnamed Analyst
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
So I, and remember earlier this year when Philadelphia really struggled in the first quarter big time. It was bizarre. They couldn't score the first quarter. They've gotten over that. They're able to find their rhythm more quickly if Philadelphia scores first and makes a hold. And that's, that's where I think you get into a situation where if I have the better roster and a lead and I've kind of seized control of the tempo, I think Philadelphia, I wonder like I will say the one thing where I would worry if I'm Philadelphia is Jalen Carter ready to go? He's been sick all week.
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Unnamed Analyst
He has.
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Jason McIntyre
And he's an absolute disruptor. If you, if Jalen Carter is not ready to go. And the other thing that scares me about Philadelphia, really good rookie corners. Like this is a, I mean you talk, you talk to veteran players who have been to Super Bowls and they'll tell you it's different. Like there are, you get, you get nervous in warm ups.
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Unnamed Analyst
Mahomes coming after him.
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Jason McIntyre
You're talking about Mitchell played at Toledo. Guys will play at Toledo all of a sudden. Yeah, it's the biggest game in America in the last 12 months. It is a big spotlight. Do you bite on a route? Are you trying to make a play? Are you apprehensive? So I can see Andy Reid thinking I got rookie corners. I'm going to make him think. Yeah, I'm going to slow him down. I'm going to. And here's the thing with Andy and I go back to this. Andy Reid with extra time to prepare is 33 and 7 decent. I can't remember a loss.
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Unnamed Analyst
Not bad.
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Jason McIntyre
That is an insane. That is a Nick Saban in his prime in the SEC number.
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Unnamed Analyst
So let me go back to the last meeting they had in the Super Bowl. The Eagles did were not this good of a team back then. I think we would agree. Yeah, the Chiefs were better than they are now. Right. They had sneeze they weren't as good.
- [47:31]
Jason McIntyre
They weren't as good defensively. I mean, they had Sneed, but they were really young. That defense. Remember the audio clip that came out where you had Chiefs players saying, we won a Super Bowl. We didn't even know the scheme. I think this is a much more mature, sophisticated defensive roster that not only knows the scheme is arguably the best situational defense in the entire league. Been a great week in New Orleans. Super Bowl 59. Thanks so much. See you next week.
- [48:05]
Colin Cowherd
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- [49:16]
Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [49:46]
Julian Edelman
What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
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Unnamed Analyst
We're doing a new podcast together.
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Jason McIntyre
Here we go.
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Julian Edelman
The Name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
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Unnamed Analyst
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life.
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Jason McIntyre
All topics are fair game, right?
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Julian Edelman
Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.
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Unnamed Analyst
Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and.
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Unnamed Analyst
Jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
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Julian Edelman
Or wherever you get your podcasts.