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Colin Cowherd
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Diana Rossini
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Colin Cowherd
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Producer
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Jason McIntyre
Now let's get this party started.
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Announcer
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Colin Cowherd
NFL camps starting up. Yep. You see there on the screen Penn State head coach James Franklin, my pick to play for the national championship against Texas, Diana Rossini, the athlet, haven't seen her in a while. NFL camps underway starting right now. Let's bring Diana in. Covered the NFL for now 10 years. So let me start with this. And it was a self created story a little bit. But Lane Kiffin and Greg McElroy, two people I trust said, I mean people that are very well connected in the SEC said Saban back to coaching is not off the table. So I don't think it's college just because of the nil. And schools now are raising so much money for players they can't pay to fire staffs and rehire Saban. But when you hear Saban in the NFL, I mean, Diana, there's six openings a year. Coordinators are a coin flip. College coaches aren't getting chances now because NFL teams don't want to buy them out of their nil deals. What about Saban, NFL, does it make sense to you?
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Unnamed NFL Insider
No, it's true. You're hearing college coaches trying to get out. Bill Belichick was trying to get in. He talked to the jets of all teams last year just to get back into the NFL. You know, look, I, you get a variant of opinions here in terms of what Nick Saban really wants to do, even just talking to some people once that came out. Now look, I love Greg McElroy. He's a good friend of mine, Lane Kiffin. I think he may have spoken without any knowledge. I think he just understands that coach loves to coach. And it's hard to imagine that he wants to just continue to do television when most of these guys are just built to be teachers. And that's what Nick Saban truly is. But I had one head coach say to me this morning when we were talking about this, he said, here's the problem. I think there's just such a bad taste left in Saban's mouth, no matter how you look at it. He said so much success at Alabama, that's a program that just pumps out good player after good player. They built something great and that just doesn't translate in the NFL. And Saban figured that out when he went to Miami. He obviously had experience on the college level at a high level at LSU and Michigan State and then wound up going back to Alabama. But it's such a different type of game, you know, whereas I thought to general manager who's like, I could see Nick Saban having tons of success if he wanted to do it. But I get to speak to anyone in the NFL who's like, you know who you should keep an eye on this season? Nick Saban. I could see him hopping in this. I think he likes his gig.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the, you know, it's, I look around and last year Jason said before the season, Chicago will be the most interesting team. And I, I, they were, but it was mostly based on dysfunction and a coach in the hot seat. And I look at them now and I'm like, I don't see a lot of dysfunction. I mean, the family, there's a lot of kids in the family. It's one of the poor older ownership groups. But I kind of look at the Bears and I think Nick Wright came on earlier and said if there's one great team that could potentially drop, it's Detroit because they lost both great coordinators in your visits with people around the league. And this is gossip season. This is fun season. How do people truly feel about Chicago off Mike when they're talking to Diana Rossini? It's not going anywhere. It's. Are people intrigued? Are other teams intrigued by Chicago and Ben and Caleb?
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Unnamed NFL Insider
Yeah, they certainly are intrigued. And I feel like most are seeing Chicago as this isn't going to be an apples to apples offense where what we saw in Detroit with Jared Goff under Ben Johnson, he is going to be what the Chicago Bears are going to be with Caleb Williams. I think on paper that sounds great and that was the idea. And Chicago saw that in Detroit, which is why Ben Johnson was one of their top candidates of this is what we need. This is what Caleb needs to develop to take that next step. But it's very fair for us to say here that Caleb is very talented, but he still needs a lot of coaching. Right? And that's where Ben Johnson's going to step in here and he really has his hands full because he's got a lot of work to do. So for me, I think the question is going to be can Caleb Williams digest as much of the playbook as we saw Jared Goff do with Detroit? I just think it's going to take a while. You know, this is a team that really was built in the off season and under Ben Johnson here from the inside out. I'm not worried about the run game year. I think that's where they'll do well, but it's really going to be that the passing, that development in the pocket of Caleb Williams, that's going to be the true test. And look, they gave him an offensive line. Every year we talk about Chicago's got to get better up front, they got to get better. Well, now they're going to be able to protect Caleb and we're going to be able to see what they can really do. So I tend to believe, and even just from the conversations I have with people during the off season while they're on the beach with their families driving in traffic, most believe that the Chicago Bears are going to take a step forward. You know, and this isn't me having conversations with your new colleague Big Cat, telling me this. This is actual people that coach football.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me ask you, in all the years I've been doing this, I don't think there's ever been a bigger gap and how talking heads me saw player Shador Sanders and how the league saw it, because I don't think he went from first to the fifth round just based on, you know, Dion didn't do him any favors. You know, we're not going to play for this team. This team, this team. Well, he was talking directly to the bad teams that were going to draft him. It wasn't talking about the Chiefs, the Ravens, the Bills and the Lions. Right. He was, we're not going here, here, here. Well, you're talking to the people that could employ you. So I don't think that helped. And so maybe I was just caught up in the whole Dion Shador thing. Expectations. Mary Kay Cabot, I trust she says, yeah, he's got a shot. He'll be in the running to play. What do you think? What do you hear? Were we in the media? Just a little hyperbolic on how good he was? Because to drop to the fifth round, that's. That's a non starter in the NFL, that's a backup quarterback round.
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Unnamed NFL Insider
Yeah, I think we were excited. I think everyone was. I was on the show with you talking about him a lot as well, where we thought maybe there's some star potential here that was possibly masking the ability and all those things that are important not just on the field, but when you're in the locker room, when you're in these meeting rooms, things that a lot of these organizations prioritize that. I think in some of these visits and some of these meetings, you know, they just didn't go as well as I think from the outside those hoped it would. So what's this going to look like in Cleveland, right under Kevin Stefanski? Look, I think we've been doing this a long time. We kind of know how this works, right? So Joe Flacco has been in Stefanski system before. We know he's a veteran, he's smart as heck, he understands what Kevin wants. So he's going to get all the first team reps. He's going to get a majority of it, and we're going to see him probably take the biggest step in terms of being the starter this year for the Cleveland Browns. Right. But then you've got three other players here that they've got to split these reps up with. So I do think the good news for someone like you, who I think wants to see Chador, we're going to see him. We'll see a lot of him this summer. Because I don't envision Kevin Stefanski throwing Joe Flacco out there, you know, for preseason game one and two. I don't think he cares. I think he knows what Joe can do. So I think this is going to give us an opportunity. I just think I can tell you just based on what the Browns did and where they drafted Shador, we know where he stands. The excitement's always going to be around him, but the reality is going to hit us here, and at this point, it's Pickett, Gabriel and then Shador and then desean who, you know, he's on his. Honey, I don't know where he is, but he's somewhere. He'll be there. You know, that's pretty much the situation there. So we'll see. We're going to get a lot of answers this summer, but again, he's not going to have the advantage of these reps. And we got to keep that in mind when we do see him out there, because the majority of those are going to go to the players that were either drafted higher or signed in free agency.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, you're close to the Philadelphia Eagles, where you're based. They're super bowl champs. Are you. Is that. Is that the first camp you're going to, getting the red carpet treatment?
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Unnamed NFL Insider
That'll be the day. This is what happens when you win. You turn your back on those that are loyal to you. No, you know what? It's. I'm actually far from Philly. I'm closer to the jets and the Giants, like, from my location. That's where the red carpet treatment comes. Especially if the jets, you know, they love me there. Now, the Philadelphia Eagles. Look, I am intrigued by them simply because, again, I see it every year. We see it every year. It is hard to win back to back and it is hard to come off a type of championship that they just did. And the way they celebrate and all the love that they got, the good old saying of, you know, martinis are like success. They relax you, you know. Now do I think Saquon Barkley is going to chill out? No way. And he's just not built like that. And if you follow on on Instagram, I don't think he took a day off. So I'm curious to see how the Eagles are going to come back this year knowing that they just, they have this victory. But I'm off to Denver and Colin, I hope we're going to be on the show a lot this season talking about them because I've got some high hopes for them. This is a defense, that front five, they are underrated. This is a monster group. And I know we talk about Sean Payton's offenses all the time and you know, we'll get there in a second. But when I think about the Denver Broncos and the strength of this team, it's their defense. The last two seasons they've been able to carry them and now with a experience, and I say experience Bo Nix because we know how, how much he played in college. You know, we're not talking about like a J.J. mcCarthy here. We're talking about a second year quarterback who's got tons of play time, has understood the Sean Payton language, the playbook. I think we're going to see a big step taken forward here. And by the way, he's got Evan Ingram, right? When I say Evan Ingram, you think like, okay, big deal. Davis Webb is the quarterback coach in Denver.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay?
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Unnamed NFL Insider
Davis Webb played with Evan Ingram and there is a big reason why Ingram is there in Denver and it's because Davis Webb was able to sell to Sean Payton what Ingram could do for Bo Nix and how he could play that joker and really be another option outside Cortland Sutton for Bo Nick. So I just think this is one of those teams that they took a step forward. Yes, it's the Sean Payton effect, but this is where we're going to really see a team contending and I think that division knows it.
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Colin Cowherd
Diana Rossini, Senior NFL Insider of the Athletic it's great seeing you.
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Unnamed NFL Insider
Kind of, kind of bummed you didn't mention my tan. I worked hard on it. I did.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I look at you as such a journalist. I don't want to get caught up into appearance.
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Unnamed NFL Insider
You just forget it all. Here's the thing. I wear SPF 55 0. And it's like my skin, just like it's just drawn to the sun. I tried, I try not to. Because my thought is, who wants to see someone tan on tv? Because if I'm watching me right now, I'm thinking, this girl doesn't work. She sits by the pool all day. Yeah, but I'm working. I swear, I'm just working with sunscreen.
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Colin Cowherd
On SPS 50 as well. Wear a sweater that's way up there on the chain.
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Unnamed NFL Insider
I know.
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Colin Cowherd
Great.
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Unnamed NFL Insider
Let's not talk football weather yet. It was great to see you.
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Colin Cowherd
Great.
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Diana Rossini
I'll see you soon.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. I don't know why. I don't. I really don't know why I'm so fascinated. Cleveland's probably the worst team in the league. They got five quarterbacks, none in their prime and none good. Why am I so fascinated with that story? It's weird. I'm really, really interested in the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation. That's weird.
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Announcer
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Covino
Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.
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Rich
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber lips.
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Colin Cowherd
Blaming me.
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Covino
Well, you know what it's called? Over Promise. You should be good at it. Cause you've been over promising women for years.
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Rich
Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're gonna be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships and. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised.
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Covino
Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.
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Rich
There you go, Overpromising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely. Join us. Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Diana Rossini
Hey, so we all make mistakes, but.
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Producer
Owning up to them is the right thing to do.
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Diana Rossini
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Colin Cowherd
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Diana Rossini
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Colin Cowherd
The News no, no, no, Turn on the news.
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Announcer
This is the Herd line news.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, let's go to San Francisco, where the Niners training camp opened up for veterans today. And all eyes are on Brock Purdy, who's going to have his first action at camp since getting his lucrative five year, $265 million extension. And as we are contractually obligated to do, here is a screen shot. Colin of the highest paid quarterbacks per year, Brock purdy checking in. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7th right there. Tied with Jared Goff, well behind Dak Prescott and his no conference championships appearances. It's interesting, the producer for this segment said, so like, what's an expectation for Purdy? He gets his huge deal. And I, and I said, honestly, he has to win the super bowl or Colin's gonna find a way to knock him down a pace.
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Colin Cowherd
That's not true.
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Jason McIntyre
No, that is true, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Here's why. Well, he has to win the division. That's it.
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Jason McIntyre
And then he loses in the first round of the packers and we're going to take shots at him. No, that's not going to work. Well, he lost in the Super Bowl. Despite getting them a lead in overtime to the Chiefs, Brock Purdy couldn't get it done.
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Colin Cowherd
When a playoff game, if you're going to get paid 53 million a year to be a quarterback, you got to win a playoff game with Kyle Shanahan. That's fair to say. I'm not saying you have to win two because you may get, you may get the Eagles in round two, you may get the Rams in round two. I'm not saying you have to win two playoff games, but at 53 large, you gotta be a playoff quarterback and you gotta Win one playoff game annually.
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Jason McIntyre
So okay, what does that mean for Justin Herbert? What does that mean for tua? What does that mean for Trevor Lawrence? Joe Burrow hadn't even been to the playoffs the last, I believe the last two seasons. Like, I mean, Dak Prescott. Well, like it's just we hold Purdy to a different standard and that's why I told him I was like, Purdy's got to win the Super Bowl. That's the only thing that's going to get people off his back. Lamar Jackson could choke every year in the playoffs. And it's like, ah, Lamar lost but he's a two time mvp. Like, okay, well are you going to say the same stuff about Brock Purdy if they don't win the Super Bowl? So I just feel like it's unfair and I will defend the little guy. I am a man of the people. I will back underdog Brock Purdy. Last picking.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, that's fine. Okay.
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Jason McIntyre
You don't feel the same way?
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Colin Cowherd
All right.
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Jason McIntyre
Hey, how about this one? NFL News. Philip Rivers announced yesterday he's retiring from the NFL as a Charger. Now he hasn't played football since 2020, but he went on social media and made the announcement. Take a listen, Colin.
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Philip Rivers
I'm Philip Rivers, quarterback and I'm retiring charger. But what I miss and what I'm most appreciative and thankful for are those relationships, the things that were behind the scenes that just never got old, you know, that never got old.
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Unnamed NFL Insider
Thank.
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Colin Cowherd
I didn't expect to get.
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Philip Rivers
Thankful for those 16 years and for entrusting me to be the quarterback and certainly never took it for granted.
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Jason McIntyre
Come on, keep fighting, just keep fighting.
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Philip Rivers
I never took it for granted, didn't suit up and lead The Chargers for Shoot 240something games in a row.
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Colin Cowherd
Smells emotional. Good career. Very good.
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Jason McIntyre
I gotta ask. Hall of Famer or No, probably not.
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Colin Cowherd
You know it does. This is not baseball where it's just, you know, six most passing yards and.
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Jason McIntyre
Two in the history of football.
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Colin Cowherd
You got to do well in January. Dak Prescott and Philip Rivers have had nice careers. You got to do well in January. Eli Manning, mostly a.500 quarterback, had two great playoff runs and beat Brady twice. He's a, he's a Hall of Famer. It does matter. Baseball. It doesn't. It doesn' matter if you. Mike Trout's going to be in the hall of Fame. I don't think he's ever won a playoff game ever. Doesn't matter. Football's different. January matters. Basketball doesn't matter. Carmelo Anthony didn't do anything in the playoffs. He's going to be a first ballot hall of Famer. Football January and February matter.
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Producer
Wow.
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Jason McIntyre
So Rivers was never all pro, meaning he was never like one or two in the league as quarterback, but he put up a lot of stats, right? He, he was always durable. What do you like to say the best ability is? Availability. I mean, 240 consecutive starts to finish his career. That's historic stuff. Four straight division titles in the AFC West. Like, I, I mean I'm not sitting there pounding the table for Rivers to be a Hall of Famer, but the consistency, quality, top 10 in a bunch of stats, I, I don't see why he wouldn't be hall of Fame.
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Unnamed NFL Insider
Well.
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Colin Cowherd
He'S gonna get votes.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, listen, if you want it to just be, you've got to win Super Bowls, then fine, just say the hall of Fame for quarterbacks who win.
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Colin Cowherd
Super bowl like well, no, Eli didn't just win Super Bowls. He beat Tom Brady twice as an underdog. So that's different. Again, who you beat matters. If you beat the Goat twice as an underdog and beat the best coach, that's different. It's not like Eli won a single super bowl and beat Stan Humphries. You know, it's not, that's not what it is. That's not, you know, that was a Charger team.
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Jason McIntyre
Russell Wilson into the hall of Fame or Philip Rivers? Both. One or neither.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you know something that helps. Philip Rivers, he played one year out of San Diego in Indy. He was really good. And somebody, if you, if you get down to inches, not feet with Philip Rivers, you're going to say, you know, look at all the stats and, and then go look at the one year he left. Oh, he was good there too. That's what hurts. Russell Wilson for Seattle. It was about eight really good years end in Seattle wasn't great. Denver bad and then just puttering out like. So when you get like Eli Manning had a couple of bad seasons, but it was like he was good by year four. He was good for a long time. He beat Brady twice. He was unbelievable in, in January and February. I mean I, I, I get again it's, with certain guys it's really easy with Eli and Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan's going to get some votes.
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Jason McIntyre
I was going to say Matt Ryan. Do you think he would get into the hall of Fame over Rivers?
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Colin Cowherd
I, I think.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I'm sorry I missed that. Yes or no?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I, I don't think Matt No, I don't think it's, it's like Matt get an mvp. Really, really good. Philip Rivers. Really, really good. Like hall of Fames Cam Newton. Oh God no. He never had back to back winning seasons.
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Jason McIntyre
Thank you. I just wanted to clarify.
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Colin Cowherd
It's not a shot.
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Jason McIntyre
No, not at all. I'm with you.
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Colin Cowherd
I would say of the people you mentioned, Philip Rivers, Cam Newton, I would say Phillip's the closest. He'll get votes. He just got such profound production.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Get votes.
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Jason McIntyre
Final story. Colin, the biggest NBA so popper right now is Jason McIntyre's take on Bradley Beal and the Clippers. And oh by the way, it has come out now that Bradley Beal was interested in the Lakers did talk to them but the Lakers did not want to make him a starter. The Clippers said you can start for Norman Powell and he choose the Clippers. I think that's kind of a lame. I would have harsher words off, off air for Bradley. Hey man, I got to. Oh, you're not gonna start me? Fine. I'm going elsewhere. That's weak as hell.
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Colin Cowherd
He's been a high end starter for most of his career.
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Jason McIntyre
Who cares who starts, Colin, it's about who finishes. You want to be on the court.
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Colin Cowherd
Start in the NBA you generally don't finish. Well.
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Jason McIntyre
I, I mean, I don't know. You got to show me. Are you good? Can you finish? Can you score? Bradley Beal is a really good scorer. So who do you like here, Lakers or Clippers? I don't see Marcus Smart in that graphic. I guess they're going with ruin but.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I know, I know Austin Reeves, Luca Rui, Ayton and LeBron are going to play 60 plus games. The Clippers issue is I don't know how many games Kawhi is going to play or Beal's going to play. So I would take the Lakers over the Clippers just in terms of I know what I get with the Lakers. Better coaches. Clippers.
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Jason McIntyre
But Ben for sure lose better than Reddick.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes, yes. And also you get a better center, better big with the Clippers, better coach, better bench with the Clippers. But I just don't know what I get see with Kawhi. I like their team but Zubot's a really, really good big.
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Jason McIntyre
He's good.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a really good player. Probably the most underrated big in the league. He's a good, really good big.
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Jason McIntyre
Lakers did have him at one point. I don't know. Listen, Clippers are good. I'm not gonna lie. I think right now they're better than the Lakers. More depth. We'll see. You know, Luka and LeBron.
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Colin Cowherd
Better bench, better coach, better. Better bigs. No question.
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Jason McIntyre
Who's got better stars? Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's right.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, Luca's getting skinnier. Other footage emerge or pictures. Lucas looking skinny man. I'm just telling you he's going to take over this league. Cannot wait for revenge. Luca next year.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, reportedly Luca has worked out this offseason which is, you know, I'm supposed.
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Jason McIntyre
To be blown away, curtailed the beverages.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know. I was. Was he? So, you know, I think I've been absolutely spot on day one in the league. He's a better Carmelo. He's a great first ballot hall of Fame top 10 all time scorer. Not committed to D. His conditioning fluctuates. I'll be kind. The conditioning fluctuates.
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Jason McIntyre
Agree to disagree.
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Colin Cowherd
Fun to watch though. First ballot hall of Famers. Fun to watch. Profound offensive players. I don't think that's a knock. Not everybody's great. Not everybody is everything.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm gonna go ahead and stand out on this this one while you just.
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Colin Cowherd
Go off on Luca.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mack with the news.
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Announcer
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Diana Rossini
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Colin Cowherd
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Diana Rossini
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Diana Rossini
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Colin Cowherd
Surprising reaction story this week. So the WNBA players came out and they wore these T shirts the other day. Which is, you know, pay us, you owe us. Which you know I wouldn't have done. I think you should try to keep your contract situation out of the papers and off television. Kind of do it Privately, that's the way I would recommend it for anybody. Pay us what you owe us. And listen, I get the frustration because they make 9% of revenues and NBA players make 50. But the NBA has been around a long time. This is a 25 year old league that's never made me a profit. So. But I, so I understand people who roll their eyes at this. I get it. And I probably wouldn't have done it, but it is interesting to me that people are like, no way can you give them a raise and they're out of their mind. We were talking about this. If, let's say you had a company, you owned a company and it was, it was a podcast company and you had a bunch of podcasts and you had one that you'd spent a lot of money on for years and years and it never really made a lot of money. And for whatever reason, that podcast added somebody and suddenly was red hot. And merchandise for the podcast went up 500% and the ratings doubled. And all of a sudden, with six months to go in the contract, it's time to negotiate a new contract. Are you really letting it go? Are you going to hold those previous years against them or are you going to deal with the reality that, oh, it's a different podcast now, the WNBA is a different league now? Yes, because of the person over my shoulder on tv, Caitlin Clark. Just like the golf tour was a different tour when Tiger woods arrived. Can you imagine being a network NBC and saying, well, we're not going to pay that just because Tiger woods is great. And my argument would be, well, Tiger woods is just going into his prime for the next 10 to 12 years. He's going to move ratings. You're not paying for our roster, you're not paying for depth, you're paying for majors and what Tiger woods does to the ratings in the majors. So it doesn't matter that they don't have 30 players that move the needle and they may only have one or two, and let's just say it's one, but that one player is going to be on tv. Remember when you, when a network buys a contract for a league, they don't. Fox has no responsibility to air the bottom 12 teams in baseball. We don't have to air Pirate games and royal games and red games and A's games. A lot of Yankees, a lot of Mets, a lot of Braves, a lot of Dodgers. Braves bad this year, a lot of Cubs throw the tigers in there. St. Louis Cardinals used to be on TV all the time. They're not Anymore. They're not interesting. They're not as viable. There's no responsibility for Amazon. Thursday Night Football. The NFL doesn't put everybody on as much as the Bills, the Ravens, the Eagles. I mean, the league, forget the network. The league puts a significant small number of teams, six to seven teams, they put their games on TV a lot. The Niners make TV a lot. So do the Ravens. And, you know, you know, the teams, the packers, the Lions, the Cowboys. So even leagues acknowledge we're not putting everybody on TV a bunch. Carolina's not making a lot of Monday Night Football games. The league's choosing not to put them on, not espn. So my take is the argument, well, only Caitlin Clark is the reason the league has exploded again. If you had a podcast that lost money for 20 years, and all of a sudden, you know, you go into a contract negotiation, they added somebody to the podcast, and now it's on fire. I'm giving that podcast a new life and a new contract. I'm not bailing on it now. I've been losing money for years. Why would I bail on it now? Now, I don't think they deserve 50% of revenues because NBA players are bigger stars. They draw more fans. There's. There's just more NBA players that get people to an arena, and they deserve a higher percentage of revenues. Fifty percent, I think, is what they make. So, I mean, even the NFL, there'll be no Cleveland Brown primetime games this season. No Titan games are in primetime, and I'm told no Saints games. That's the league. When they hand out Thursday, Monday games. Now, they're putting those guys in the one o' clock window. That's a league, a network, networks. You know, we're not putting A's games on. On Fox. We're not doing that. So, I don't know. It seems to me, and I'm not a businessman, that it's all about the now. I'm not going to punish a league because they didn't move the needle. If negotiations are up and they've got a new entity, a new star, a new human being, a new product that is moving the needle. Okay, you guys got. Now, it'd be one thing if Caitlin joined the league and the CBA wasn't up for another five years, then the WBNBA would be like, hey, man, look at this. Look at our revenues. They're exploding and our merchandise is exploding. The NBA would be like, we don't have to pay them. It just so happens her second year in the league, the CBA is up. And the WNBA got very lucky. They could have signed a new CBA the day before she arrived in the league, and they didn't. So the first year she explodes, second year she's hurt, but she's clearly changing the numbers and the league's got real momentum. But I'm not going to punish an investment for losing money for years. And by the way, not just because you don't make a huge profit. I use this example yesterday, when the Athletic, the subscription service, when the New York Times bought it, it was losing 45 million a year. But the New York Times bought it knowing they would increase their subs and subscriptions. And that was in the bigger picture. They made enough money they could absorb what the Athletic lost. So the NBA just signed a $76 billion contract. They can absorb a loss if the WNBA did not make big money. But my guess is it's going to start making some money. I mean, the TV package, it's going to start making some money. So I just think when you get into negotiations, timing is so it's such a big deal if you, you know, it's, it's a union, let's say you're a part of a union that makes cars or automobiles, you're going to have a lot more leverage if the last two automobiles that were created, you know, were hits. You can have more leverage than if you're putting together duds on the, on the, on the line. Like it's just about timing. When is your contract up? How's the company doing? And the WNBA is doing much better than it's ever done. So, and I, I, I, I mean, Saturday's WNBA All Star Game was down 36% from last year because there was no Caitlin. So we're not disputing that. Caitlin is driving a lot of that business, but she's not retiring anytime soon. You got 10 years of this. She's going to play in 10 all star games. She'll be in some three point shooting contests. She's going to be on T, I mean, I guarantee you they play. What, what is their schedule? 38 games a year, 36 games a year. 30 of her games will be on TV. They're going to put 30 of her game. Whoever, whoever is doing the Scheduling, whatever network, ESPN, ABC, they're going to put 30 of her games on TV. Connecticut son. We'll get, we'll get back to you. Indiana Fever, your games are on tv. So, and she just like Tiger did with golf, she has raised the overall popularity of the sport. So I mean it's not the Indiana Fever. Games are up. Yes, but the whole league is benefiting from her. All of golf benefited from Tiger in his prime. People just more. 3 million people. And people were signing up to golf. More golf equipment sold. When Tiger was in his prime, you know, Nike got into golf big. I mean, like, people that didn't do golf or golf got into it. So I don't know. I think. I think the players have some leverage here. Not NBA leverage. Not NFL leverage. Not. Not baseball. Sports are cyclical, too. Baseball now. NBA is doing great. NFL's doing great. College football, you know, baseball, ESPN and baseball. Or are they talking now? That thing got a little ugly in the last year.
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Diana Rossini
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Colin Cowherd
Hi, it's Colin. I've been around long enough. To know quality when I see it. Or in this case, when I taste it.
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Producer
Tito's handmade vodka.
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Colin Cowherd
Good stuff.
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Producer
No flash, no gimmick. Smooth, clean tasting.
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Colin Cowherd
Made the right way. Tito's.
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Producer
Made in Austin, Texas. Real attention to detail. I like to keep it simple.
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Colin Cowherd
Tito's soda, one lime, lot of ice.
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Producer
Refreshing, easy. Summer, winter, spring. Totally versatile. Always works. Listen, baseball season's here. The perfect time to kick back with some Tito's.
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Colin Cowherd
It's what I pour.
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Producer
You should, too. Distilled and bottled by 5th Generation Inc. Austin, Texas. 40% alcohol by volume.
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Colin Cowherd
Savor responsibly. This is an I Heart podcast.