Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 3: Paul Pierce

Release Date: June 12, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Guests: Paul Pierce, Eric Mangini, J. Mack, among others

Introduction

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, released on June 12, 2025, Colin welcomes NBA Hall of Famer Paul Pierce to discuss various aspects of current basketball dynamics, including player performances, team strategies, and coaching decisions. The conversation delves deep into the intricacies of the game, offering listeners valuable insights from one of basketball's esteemed veterans.

Discussion with Paul Pierce

Tyrese Halliburton and Team Dynamics

[03:13] Colin Cowherd:
“One of the things I really like about Tyrese Halliburton is how comfortable he is with TJ McConnell taking over the game or any other young player getting his minutes. I think that's hard for point guards. Steph Curry's like that, but Steph always gets his minutes.”

Colin initiates the conversation by praising Tyrese Halliburton’s selflessness and court awareness. He highlights Halliburton’s intelligence (IQ), emotional intelligence (EQ), and self-awareness, noting how he supports teammates like TJ McConnell. Paul Pierce agrees, emphasizing Halliburton’s unique, unorthodox style of play that mirrors traditional point guards from his era but stands out in today's game.

[04:19] Paul Pierce:
“I don’t see that about Halliburton, it being about him. He just wants to win.”

Pierce commends Halliburton’s team-first mentality, contrasting it with other players who may prioritize personal achievements over team success.

SGA's Performance and Whistle Dependence

Colin shifts the focus to Scottie Gordon Allen (SGA), discussing his playoff performance and perceived reliance on referees. He questions whether SGA’s game is too dependent on getting to the free-throw line, likening him to players like James Harden who also leaned heavily on drawing fouls.

[05:16] Colin Cowherd:
“I think SGA is a little whistle dependent. Is that fair?”

Paul responds by acknowledging both sides but attributes SGA’s performance issues to physical wear and defensive strategies employed against him.

[06:05] Paul Pierce:
“They’re picking him up full. They’re playing the long game. By the time the fourth quarter comes, he’s so worn down.”

He explains that defensive tactics are draining SGA, forcing him to exert more effort defensively, which in turn affects his offensive output in critical game moments.

New York Knicks Coaching Changes

Colin introduces the topic of the New York Knicks' recent coaching change, referencing Rachel Nichols' interview and questioning the team's lack of a contingency plan.

[07:16] Colin Cowherd:
“What was your kind of take on the firing at Tibbs?”

Paul expresses his skepticism about the abrupt firing of coach Tibbs, arguing that Tibbs had maximized the team's potential given their roster constraints. He believes the real issue lies in the team's lack of depth and front-heavy roster rather than the coaching itself.

[08:53] Paul Pierce:
“If they didn’t make a trade and stood pat, we were probably talking about the Knicks in the Finals.”

He suggests that better roster management, including retaining key players like Dante DiVincenzo, could have positioned the Knicks for greater success, indicating that coaching alone cannot overcome structural team deficiencies.

NBA Draft Analysis: Cooper vs. Jason Tatum

The conversation transitions to an analysis of the current NBA draft, focusing on comparing a top draft pick, Cooper, to established star Jason Tatum.

[14:12] Paul Pierce:
“Are you telling me that Cooper’s offensive package is equivalent to Jason Tatum, a guy who’s averaged 30 in the league?”

Pierce critically evaluates the comparison, asserting that Cooper, while talented and aggressive, has yet to demonstrate the superstar caliber of Tatum. He delves into Cooper’s playmaking abilities, defensive impact, and overall potential, highlighting areas where he needs to evolve to match Tatum’s multi-faceted game.

[16:11] Paul Pierce:
“He’s a more aggressive player in attacking the basket, but I don’t think he’s a good shooter as Tatum either.”

Pierce acknowledges Cooper’s aggressive driving but points out shortcomings in his shooting accuracy compared to Tatum, suggesting a balanced evaluation of their respective skills and potential trajectories.

Boston Celtics' Strategic Moves and Future

Colin probes into the Boston Celtics' possible strategic moves, particularly regarding their pursuit of Giannis Antetokounmpo and the team's overall direction.

[16:57] Colin Cowherd:
“Do you think the Celtics go for Giannis? Make a big move, move Jaylen Brown?”

Paul responds cautiously, emphasizing the importance of assessing the team’s direction and remaining patient rather than making hasty decisions based solely on injuries or short-term performance dips.

[17:07] Paul Pierce:
“I wouldn’t be too fast to make decisions. I’d see where the team is and what direction we’re going in.”

He advises a measured approach, suggesting that the Celtics should evaluate their season's progression before committing to significant roster changes, ensuring that any moves are beneficial both in the present and future.

Indiana Pacers vs. Oklahoma City Thunder Playoff Clutch Performance

The discussion shifts to the playoff performances of the Indiana Pacers and Oklahoma City Thunder, particularly focusing on clutch scenarios.

[17:57] Colin Cowherd:
“Indiana is the most clutched team in the playoffs, 9 and 1 in clutch time.”

Paul supports this assertion, explaining that Indiana's unpredictable star performances make them difficult to prepare for, giving them an edge in close games. He contrasts this with Oklahoma City’s front-running mentality, which may falter in high-pressure, one-possession situations.

[18:50] Paul Pierce:
“Coaches are trying to prepare for specific stars, but Indiana’s unpredictability makes it tough.”

He highlights Indiana’s depth and versatility, noting that their ability to adapt and rely on multiple players in critical moments makes them formidable opponents in clutch situations.

Player Focus: Cooper’s Potential and Comparisons

Colin further examines Cooper’s potential impact in the league, questioning Paul’s comparisons and exploring Cooper’s playing style versus established stars like Jason Tatum.

[15:52] Colin Cowherd:
“Do you see Cooper as an impact player in the league?”

Paul reiterates his belief in Cooper's potential, emphasizing his versatility, defensive prowess, and high work ethic. He underscores the importance of Cooper's "motor" on the court, a trait he values highly and considers critical for sustained success.

[16:57] Paul Pierce:
“He does too many things to not be an impact offensively and defensively.”

Pierce acknowledges Cooper’s comprehensive skill set, indicating that his multifaceted game positions him as a valuable asset capable of influencing both ends of the floor.

NFL Discussions: Denver Broncos and Quarterback Analysis

The episode briefly touches on NFL topics, including the Denver Broncos’ acquisition of running back J.K. Dobbins and the quarterback situation with Kirk Cousins.

[24:04] Paul Pierce:
“The defense is really good, the quarterback’s amazing, the O-line is amazing. So it was a no-brainer.”

Paul comments positively on the Broncos' strategy in strengthening their roster, particularly lauding their defensive and offensive line improvements alongside acquiring J.K. Dobbins, predicting a promising season.

[26:11] Paul Pierce:
“Kevin Stefanski is trying to push it down.”

Addressing Kirk Cousins' role, Paul discusses the quarterback’s performance metrics and the organizational challenges in Cleveland, hinting at a potential shift in team dynamics and leadership.

Christian Pulisic and US Men's National Soccer Team

In the concluding segment, Colin discusses Christian Pulisic’s decision to sit out the Gold Cup to rest, reflecting on its implications for the US Men's National Team.

[34:21] Colin Cowherd:
“Christian Pulisic decided not to play in the Gold Cup because he wants to get rest. I defend him on that.”

Paul defends Pulisic’s decision, acknowledging the importance of long-term health and readiness for the World Cup over short-term competition. He emphasizes Pulisic’s value both on the field and financially, citing his achievements in Serie A.

[34:21] Paul Pierce:
“I do want to be a part of the team always. I want to be ready for the World Cup.”

He underscores the necessity for key players like Pulisic to prioritize major tournaments, balancing national duty with personal well-being and professional commitments.

Closing Remarks

Colin wraps up the episode by summarizing key takeaways from the discussions with Paul Pierce, highlighting the importance of player versatility, team dynamics, and strategic decision-making in both NBA and NFL contexts. The episode provides listeners with a comprehensive analysis of current sports trends, enriched by Pierce’s expert insights and firsthand experiences.

Notable Quotes

1. Colin Cowherd on Tyrese Halliburton:

   • “I think that's hard for point guards. Steph Curry's like that, but Steph always gets his minutes.” ([03:13])

2. Paul Pierce on Halliburton’s Team-First Attitude:

   • “He just wants to win.” ([04:19])

3. Colin Cowherd on SGA’s Dependence:

   • “I think SGA is a little whistle dependent. Is that fair?” ([05:16])

4. Paul Pierce on Knicks’ Coaching Change:

   • “They were deficient, they didn't have a bench.” ([08:02])

5. Colin Cowherd on NBA Draft Comparison:

   • “Jason Tatum’s a guy who’s averaged 30 in the league.” ([14:12])

6. Paul Pierce on Cooper’s Potential:

   • “He does too many things to not be an impact offensively and defensively.” ([16:57])

7. Colin Cowherd on Indiana Pacers’ Clutch Performance:

   • “Indiana lives in these kinds of games every night and I feel like it's a little bit of a negative with OKC.” ([17:57])

8. Paul Pierce on Christian Pulisic’s Decision:

   • “I want to be ready for the World Cup.” ([34:21])

Conclusion

This episode of The Herd offers a rich exploration of basketball and football strategies, player evaluations, and team management through the seasoned perspective of Paul Pierce. Listeners gain a deeper understanding of the factors influencing team performances and player decisions, making it a valuable listen for sports enthusiasts seeking expert analysis.