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Colin Cowherd
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Anthony Slater
Yeah, I mean I think those are two fair guys to spotlight. There are others you always do wonder translatable to an NBA setting right with, with hang with the Portland center. You're mention, you know, how much, how many minutes is he going to play? Is he going to be featured when he's out there with Scoot Henderson and you know, Donovan Clingan is going to probably start I would assume and Shane Sharp and some of the other developmental projects on that Portland team or are they just going to, you know, give him the ball and you know, let him do some of the stuff. You're talking number one and then on the other side how survivable will he become defensively? Is always a question I have for bigger centers but it is a very, you know, intriguing skill set especially in the modern NBA. And then Cooper Flag, I mean, you know, you know the talents there. But to me he comes in as a really like polished like all around player and I do wonder about the scoring at the NBA level. 5 of 21 in the first summer league game, obviously much better with 31 in the second one. But he's on a, he's on a win now team which is very rare for a first overall pick, you know and I, I'm curious how he fits into their starting lineup next season. You know you're going to have you know, Derek Lively, although it sounds like he had some surgery recently. But Anthony Davis, Daniel Gafford, like to me, Cooper Flag seems like a modern day four, like switchable four. But he's probably going to be pigeonholed at the three. But then you watch summer league and you're like, this guy's just a great basketball player. So. But that didn't surprise me. Right? You probably watched some Duke games, I'm sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So the Jonathan Kaminga piece is interesting. So there's something that's fairly clear and you know more about this than I do. But if you can't play with Steph Curry and a lot of these young guys can't. So in the NFL, a draft pick comes in 23, pretty refined in the NBA, especially G League guys, you know, they haven't played in big environments. They haven't played at that bullet train pace with Steph. That Wiseman didn't work. Kaminga doesn't play necessarily well with him. And so my take is Bogut did Andre Iguodala, did Andrew Wiggins, did like Steph and Draymond, they play better with older guys. And that Kaminga just doesn't fit. But I do think he has value on the market. Market. So what do you think? What are they going to do? Do they sign and trade him? If I had to put a crystal ball in front of you with Jonathan Kaminga, he's long, he's twitchy, he's athletic, he can score, there's value there. What do they do with him?
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Anthony Slater
Crystal ball. I would, I would still predict he comes back. Just because of the market dynamics. It's really complicated. The new CBA restricted free agency obviously gives the Warriors a level of kind of asset control here. The, there's a base year compensation rule that makes, you know, trading with the salaries very tricky. The new aprons that I'm sure you love talking about at this point kind of restrict some of the other stuff. So I, you know, there are teams interested. His representatives met with the Kings in Vegas this week. There's other teams that have at least put in calls. But, you know, you not only have to get, you know, Jonathan Kaminga to a contract number that he wants for him to sign, but you also then have to convince the warriors, hey, here's enough trade pieces in a sign and trade so you will not match that, that sheet. And you know, the, the fit issues you raised are, are very fair. And like, obviously it's been four years running of this. Steve Kerr is very transparent about it. There's DNPs in the playoffs. But guess what? Steph Curry strained a hamstring and he was like their second maybe best player in the Minnesota series. And like that's a talent you don't want to let walk out the door, number one. Number two, they were going to play a regular season next year of 82 games with their three best players being 35, 35 and 37. They're going to miss games. Jimmy Butler, you know, is he going to play what, 60 something? Steph, 60 something? They need bench scoring, they need scoring on nights. Those guys either don't have it or are not out there. So my prediction would be eventually these two sides come to a resolution where he comes back early in the season, he is, you know, a featured guy on some nights and then they relook at what his trade market could be come January, February because you know, you could trade him at his full value and if he does play well early in the season, maybe he does have value on the market.
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Colin Cowherd
So when Mark Walter and that group bought the Dodgers, they went and got the best GM in the sport in Tampa, Friedman. And they kind of built the R and D, they built scouting and then they started going big game hunting. But they got, they got it in order and slowly, slowly build the right way. And so when they buy the Lakers, my take is they don't want to get, they don't want to get tied to massive contracts. And LeBron, the best thing you can have in the NBA is a superstar in his prime under contract. That's, that's a good contract. Sga Jokic Stephan is prime, I could argue the second best contract to have is a very productive player and he's an expiring contract. And then you have leverage. That's what LeBron is. So you can move him at the deadline. So my take is they're not being anti LeBron. I'm hearing all this rich Paul, four teams, my take is they may move him. But why would you do it now? He's a highly productive player. What is your take on what you're hearing?
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Anthony Slater
Well, the other layer to that that you mentioned of like stuff that's very valued in the league beyond just an expiring contract, the cap space that comes after an expiring contract, it's something that wasn't, you know, Brooklyn had it this summer. I think to me they used it in a strange way. But like the Lakers, you know, can go search for, you know, a younger co star for Luka Doncic in the market if they want to, you know, in the next couple years. And that's maybe more important than even trading him at the deadline. Certainly they could. The trade mechanics in this new CBA world are very tricky. Even if they wanted to trade LeBron now, it's just like, how do you find a suitor? How do you make a trade actually work? But yeah, that flexibility, optionality has become a popular term in the league. And that's clearly what the Lakers are prioritizing here. And it's, it's understandable. Just look at the ages, right? LeBron's going to turn 41 next year. It's unbelievable what he's been able to do. But as you mentioned, locking into longer term money on him, you know, kind of handcuffs them a little bit on building around Luca, who, who just came in the door a few months ago.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Giannis is going to move, historically, Europe. I always say this, when I go to Europe, I tip better. I'm probably more gracious. I feel I'm a visitor and I always felt international players, I mean, Luca was deeply offended when he was traded. Giannis could have demanded a trade that when players come internationally here, they're like, when we go to Europe, they feel like I'm a visitor. There's almost a psychology to the domestic player saying, I'm going to do what I want to do. I'm empowered. And I think Giannis wants to be a buck. But Anthony, I look at them three years ago, they were old, they were dominated by Indiana. I don't think they're a viable team. Even in the east, forget it. In the West, I think Giannis, eventually, I would move him. I don't know when, but I would move him. I think you could get a complete haul. I've seen what Rudy Gobert gets and Kevin Durant. What do you make over the next. Let's just say that the NBA season starts in October to the deadline. Do you think it'll be active or do you think he's a long term buck?
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Anthony Slater
Well, the Bucks front office is clearly operating under the assumption that he'll be there next year. Because if he, if he does ask out if he is trading by, you know, camp or even, you know, middle of next season, like what a disaster that Damian Lillard wave and stretch for Miles Turner becomes, you know, they, they put them like, you know, they, they put Damian Lillard as 22 million of dead cap for the next five years. Clearly to chase down, you know, what seems like an unrealistic dream of still kind of competing in the East. By getting Miles Turner in the door, which, you know, I would agree with you. I think Vegas has them as like the 8th best odds to win the East. But I, I just, I assume the Bucks front office is getting some type of signals from Giannis that he's at least willing to give it a go next season. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's the case, I mean that's almost malpractice of roster building because clearly that was a desperation move done to appease Giannis. And if you don't even get to, you know, day one of the season, the first season, then, then we'll look back on that, that Lillard waving stretches as one of the big disasters of the decade.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, you covered Oklahoma City. Sam Presti is a very bright guy, kind of the Howie Roseman perhaps of the NFL where he's considered really, really shrewd. Made a lot of good deals. I was surprised. They gave Chet SGA and J Dub all massive money. It limits flexibility. Now I do think J Dub is a very interesting player. He's a complete grinder. He's a slow growth guy. He was in high school, college and the pros. I think he's great. Holmgren's kind of a unicorn phys. There's not a lot of people built like him with his handles and his shooting. And SGA is obviously great. So I probably shouldn't be surprised, but it does feel like, and they're all young, but it does feel like, okay guys, this is it for the next five years. This is the team. Not a lot of flexibility. Were you surprised?
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Anthony Slater
Well, I mean, beyond this is the team. It's almost like the team is going to start to lose a road around them.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes, right.
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Anthony Slater
You know, like the Hartenstein contract, I mean, but you know, clearly Sam Presley you mentioned, and he's, he's shrewd. He built this way. He got a team option for Hartenstein that, you know, they can decline when it, you know, becomes, when some of this money starts to kick in. They still have next season, very cheap. Because these extensions that you hear, they don't, you know, the, the two rookie ones, Jalen Williams and Chad Holgram, they don't kick in for, for a season after this. And Shay's big, big money supermax is still two seasons from now until it kicks in. So they have a window here the next couple of years to still have like, you know, well priced role players. The Caruso's, the Dorts, the, you know, the Hartensteins around them. But you know, by the time those guys are entering their early prime to for Shea would be kind of mid prime. They're gonna have to have a lot of just like cheap minimum mid level type deals under them. But you know the guess what? Sam Presley's got like, you know, a billion draft picks to go try to find those guys. Casen Wallace is a guy for example, that he's hit on and to me over the next few years he kind of looks like the Lou Dort replacement. This year in the draft they had the 15th overall pick. They they drafted a center from Georgetown. He to me seems like if he hits would be the Hartenstein replacement. So Sam Prezzy's tried to build himself up or build the roster up to be sustainable in an NBA world that you know, this new CBA tries to make it unsustainable to continue to build. But to your you know, original point it those numbers are eye popping. But also after winning the title with those three as your three best players and they're coming up on extensions like I just don't know in this modern n the world how you don't give them the money when they come asking for for it.
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Colin Cowherd
Anthony Slater, senior writer of the Athletic Keeping us up to date. He's going to go on a nice, well deserved vacation here pretty quick and I appreciate you stopping by, Anthony.
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Anthony Slater
I might check out Rhode Island. Yeah, I've heard good things.
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Colin Cowherd
You got it from me, baby. Providence Airport just won best airport in North America. Go for it. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker. Check out my weekly MLB podcast Inside the Parker for 22 minutes of piping hot baseball talk featuring the biggest names and newsmakers in the sport. Whether you believe in analytics or the eye test, we've got all the bases covered. New episodes drop every Thursday, so do yourself a favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob Parker on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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Colin Cowherd
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Anthony Slater
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herdline news.
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J. Mac
You know, I was in college and I dated this girl who raved about this town in Rhode island. That was just amazing. I've forgotten the name of the town, but apparently Rhode island is like a cool spot. Maybe you found an undiscovered gem in America.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, Uncle Colin has choices. I wouldn't go there if it wasn't cool. Come on, what do you think?
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J. Mac
Well, we got some breaking news. Colin here, final hour out of Kansas City. The Chiefs have locked up guard Trey Smith on a four year, 94 million dollar extension, 70 mil guaranteed, making the highest paid guard in NFL history. He had been tagged back in at four February. And I just dug into some numbers. He graded out as the 14th best guard in the league but allowed zero sacks as a sixth round pick. They got a lot of bang for.
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Colin Cowherd
Their buck with him. Oh, oh, they stole him.
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J. Mac
He's been very good out of Tennessee. He was projected as like a potential first round pick at tackle and then he just, you know, kind of measurements weren't there and kind of didn't have a great final year.
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Colin Cowherd
And no, he has been, he is, you know, like Joanne Jennings for the Niners. Trey Smith is one of Brett Veach's great draft picks. Now obviously, you know, you get these occasional Brock Purdy's and Trey Smith, but the difference is Trey Smith was considered a year before he came out. Like he was a first round talent and then they went and got him. So let me tell you something, that's good drafting because he immediately, I remember his rookie year. You're like, oh, they stole him. And you know what? Again, people mature. The NFL asks so much of you mentally and physically. It's just some, you need the right fit. So that. And once again, an interior lineman is getting big Time, money. You're seeing these. These teams, Chicago, the Rams, the Chiefs, paying big time. I mean, Green Bay this year, free agent, paid a guard, a fortune. You're seeing now, the money is moving. Interior linemen now are getting theirs.
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J. Mac
Still, some questions at tackle, Colin Juwan Taylor, who is a walking false start on one side, and then they brought over the kid from San Fran Moore, who has been a swing tackle. He's never been like a, hey, we can count on this guy to start 16, 17 games. We'll see. They're obviously set at center with Creed Humphrey. I'm still not as bullish on the Chiefs as other people at this time. I'm not either, and you're with me, but we'll see. Obviously, they have Mahomes and Reed. They'll be competitive. Next up, Terry McLaurin. Less good news. He spoke out today about the situation in Washington. He wants a new contract. He's holding out. He's coming off an amazing year. 13 touchdowns, but this does not sound good. Colin, here he is.
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Colin Cowherd
Everything that has transpired up until this point is just been disappointing and frustrating. You know, I've wanted to continue my career here, created my life here. You know, my wife and I have bought our first home here. So this has been somewhere where I've always wanted to be. I understand everything's a business where at the same time, like, you know, I want to put myself in a position where, you know, I'm valued and we're not still appreciating and things like that. Listen, Terry McLaurin is mature, productive and healthy. Debo struggles with health and at times has been noisy. You can't sign debo and let McLaren go. Like, I don't mind the Debo signing, but not at the cost of McLaurin. Like, you have to pay him. He has been at a position that has some highly emotional, sometimes almost erratic personalities. He is a. He is like Omaron St. Brown. And McLaurin might as well be guards or inside linebackers. They are. You can rally around them. You can build around them. This is very interesting because I think he is one of my favorite players in the league.
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J. Mac
I mean, you know, he's produced around this top 10 wide receiver salary area. He certainly should be in there. The problem is he's getting up there in age. You're not paying for past performance. But with Jaden Daniels on the rookie deal, I'm surprised this hasn't been done. Colin, I. I made my kids watch the movie Jerry Maguire. Have you remember that movie with your boy Tom Cruise, show me the money. Basically, if McClory just sit there and said show me the money, I would have no problem with that. He deserves it. I think you have to give it to him. Even if it's a shorter front loaded deal because of the rookie deal from for Daniels. I think you got to just get you don't need any drama heading into what could be, could be a Super bowl season for Washington, would you say?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. No, listen, there are just quarterbacks need comfort, right? Like he is like Jared Goff and Amar on St. Brown or Brady and Edelman, Peyton Manning. You go back to great quarterbacks. Jamar Chase and Burrow. Remember Joe Burrow pounded the table. They needed a tackle. He said, get me Jamar Chase from lsu. Brady and Gronk. Almost every great quarterback has had a go to Guy McLaurin has to be signed. And I'm very rarely am I a you gotta sign this wide receiver. I think college football, you know, provides 20 guys a year. You can go find Puka or Tank Dell in middle rounds. McLaurin is a must sign to me.
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J. Mac
You said Brady and Gronk. I instantly thought Cowherd and McIntyre, you know and I'm not, I'm not the church in progress, I'm not the diva, but I am a send big final story, Colin. Let's go to the NBA. Listen, I know people want to hear it, but I'm just telling you right now, Bronny James has improved dramatically. Yes, he looks good in the summer league. Looks like a legit rotational player. Last night he had 175 and 5 in a loss to the Clippers. I, I again people are so out on him because of first impressions and he was drafted, blah blah blah. He, if you watch him in summer he's got game now he looks like a better player. I know he's still 6:1. Here is Bronny afterward on his improvement.
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Colin Cowherd
I think I got to work on everything that's what I'm doing summer. I'm working on, you know, my defense, especially lateral movement being more quick, being, you know, faster than what I was last year. So and, and also I just his.
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Anthony Slater
Basketball just I feel comfortable, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
With ball in my hands at all times. So if I need to take the last shot and it is what it is. So listen, I, I, I think the best thing he's got going for him two things. He is athletic. That that's undeniable. He's athletic. And the second thing is he's a really bright kid. Always says the right thing. Smart Players have self awareness. He's working on the right stuff. Listen, there's not a lot of 6, 12 guards in the league, but it's becoming. There are fewer labels in the NBA like 2, 3 and 4. Like if you can play, if you can defend. He's going to have to defend at an elite level and he's also going to have to shoot at an elite level to be a valuable NBA player. He's not a great ball handler. He's not going to do anything. Like he has to. He has to work his butt off defending and he has to hit threes and then you can become a rotational player. But I will say this, every time he talks, he always says the right stuff. Like he gets his role. He absolutely. I read a story this last week on him. Like he understands what he is and he has no misgivings about it. So. And that comes, I'm sure, from his dad in Savannah. Like he knows what he is. He's a hard worker. But he was impressive. I watched him all the highlights on YouTube in that game. He was impressive. Yeah.
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J. Mac
Let's remember he's 20 years old.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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J. Mac
And. And I'm rooting for him. I'm not gonna lie. I'm watching Brian. I'm rooting for this guy. He nearly died a couple years ago at usc, right, with the heart issue. Like, come on man, this guy, the kid has improved dramatically. I hope he cracks the rotation with the Lakers. He's probably their 10th best player right now. We'll see what happens with the roster, but I think he's going to be playing this year a little bit for the Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I agree. J. Mac with the news.
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J. Mac
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
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Colin Cowherd
The Herd LIE news. A little breaking news in the NFL. We'll have that when we return the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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So Garrett Wilson, they've hit on a weapon. They've hit on a Pro bowl corner. They've hit on an interior defensive lineman. They have a star back in breeze Hall. Jermaine Johnson, the edge rusher coming off injury, terrific young player. Olufashanu, the tackle from Penn State, looks like he's going to be really, really good. They got six or seven really good players. I like their defensive personnel. And they missed on Zach Wilson. And so then they had, they reached, probably reached to solve it in a big, loud, noisy media market on Aaron Rodgers. And now they're going to roll the dice and see if they can get Justin Fields to work. And. And it all starts with missing on Zach Wilson. And it just goes to show, you can do so much wrong in this league. But if you get quarterback right, you're good. It is. And you can do so much right. I wouldn't have fired their gm. I wouldn't have fired Sala. They fired both. But they got players. The jets have players. And Justin Fields, not my favorite. I think he needs the right offensive coach to work, maybe like Caleb Williams does, who knows? But they got dudes. The jets have players. And I've always said you need about six elite, seven elite players to be a viable super bowl team. But you got to be good at coach and you got to be good at quarterback. They have to be two of the things you're really exceptional at. And we don't know if the jets are. But again, they missed on Zach Wilson. It was the COVID year. All the quarterbacks missed. Trey Lance missed. Zach Wilson missed. I think Mac Jones was one of the quarterbacks that year. He, he was hot for about an hour. He missed. And so that's where the jets are at. So they've, you know, they're signing their guys and they're good. I mean, I would sign Garrett Wilson, Sauce Gardner and Quinn and Williams Olufashan, who's a couple of years down the road. But they're. They're signing the right guys and maybe they have the right coach and maybe Justin Fields works. But it is. I've said this about the Indianapolis Colts. They have good players. I love their coach, I love their gm. I think Indianapolis has really good players. But the late Jim Ursay said, get Carson Wentz out of here. They've been bailing water since at quarterback, you know, they got an old Philip Rivers who was kind of good for a year, and then they went with Anthony Richardson. They've been just trying to solve the quarterback. The Colts, I think, gm, coach, roster. I got good players, but they're, you know, listen, it's in there and they're good enough where they're not drafted in the top five to get the quarterback. So it's very difficult. You've got to get the quarterback right. Once you get Mahomes right or Baltimore gets Lamar Jackson right, or Buffalo gets Josh Allen right, you can miss on a lot of picks. I mean, Buffalo's missed on some picks. Kansas City moved off. Tyree Kill hasn't been great on the offensive line at tackle, you could you. It's a very imperfect league if you get the coach and the quarterback right. So. And that's, you know, that's why when Sean Payton went to Denver, I'm like, it's going to work. It may take a while because of the Russell Wilson deal. But. And I, and I said, before they drafted him, I said, I think Bo Nix is his. Drew Brees. I think Sean Payton and Bo Nix, that's going to work. They got that massive salary hanging over. They've got some offensive line they've got to upgrade. And now you look at Denver and you're like, I think PFF. Has him ranked as a top 10 roster and a top three offensive line. So, you know, that's where we stand today. By the way, there are rumors about Nick Saban coming back. I don't buy him coming back to college football. And his former offensive coordinator, Lane Kiffin buys it. No knowledge that he's coming back. I don't think anybody does that. I just. He's so sharp still. I almost feel like it's a waste that he's not. No disrespect to the media and what you guys do, but his ability to coach Players and change lives in that. And he's so good at it. I just think he'll be back, whether that's NFL or college. Yeah, I. I don't think he's coming back. I asked Eric Mangini earlier, who I think is one of those coaches that could work in pro or college. I said, if you were advising Nick Saban on, you know, stay, go back to college or perhaps go pro, I think college right now, it's. It's a little wild, Wild west with all the nil and transfer portal, and I like both, but they're not a lot of guardrails right now. Not enough guardrails. And I asked Mangini, what would you advise Nick Saban to do? If I was advising Nick, I would advise him to go to pro football.
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J. Mac
Because that's where he hasn't. He hasn't achieved at the same level as he has in college football.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think he can.
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J. Mac
I don't think a lot of people.
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Colin Cowherd
Realize that the Miami failed Drew Brees.
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J. Mac
On his physical, you know, or Drew Brees would have been a Miami Dolphin. With Nick Saban, that would have been.
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Colin Cowherd
Really interesting to see how good that.
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J. Mac
Team could have been.
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Colin Cowherd
But I think the other thing to remember is with the nil and teams having to raise money to pay players 15 to 20 million dollars, they're not buying out their coaching contracts like they used to. So Calyn DeBoer, who I think is an excellent coach, he will eventually work. But Alabama's got some fund issues. They're just trying to hold bake sales and car washes to get up to 10 million, $15 million consistently, which Georgia can do and Ohio State can do and Notre Dame can do, and USC can do, and Oregon do. Can do. So I don't know where he would go. Ryan Day just want a Natty. Maybe if the Michigan coach doesn't work, maybe. But I think Saban would want more power than Michigan would. You know, they've already had the Harbaugh thing where they may be a little skittish on giving Saban ultimate authority. You know, I don't know where he would go. Clemson's not getting rid of Dabo, maybe lsu, but Brian Kelly. But again, they'd have to buy Brian Kelly out. It's like a $70 million buyout. LSU is not doing that. So, I mean, the last big buyout was Jimbo Fisher at A and M, and that was a little bit before nil turned into what it is now, which is a monster. So it's. It's like, you know, people talk about Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley and I. And I think USC is going to win about eight games this year. They don't have elite players, top five or six program elite players. You know, he's safe. You're not getting rid of him. So I don't know. He doesn't. He wouldn't fit Notre Dame. Too many rules at Notre Dame. Yeah. And James Franklin, I think they're going to play for the national championship. I think Stark and Texas and James Franklin and Penn State. I think that's the national championship. Netanya Lions against the Longhorns. So I just don't. And Dan Lanning is crushing it at Oregon and Saban's not going out west. So I. Where is something. Kevin's crushing it. Ole Miss. So we're going to, we're going to go. I mean, it's. It's like Saban. It's like I said with Jerry Seinfeld, don't do another sitcom. You left as number one. That's great. That's what Saban did. He left as the king. If Seinfeld went back to tv, he's doing Netflix. He's not doing linear, traditional tv. You got to go to Netflix, which I think is what Larry David is doing with the Obamas. Like, if you're going to do it, take the check from Netflix. But I, I don't, I don't see it. I. And I always said I did see the advantages of college football over the NFL. As a coach, you control your roster. You don't have an impulsive owner. You got to deal with the toothless ncaa. But most athletic directors step out of the way if the coach is great. But college football has changed. It doesn't have a lot of guardrails and constantly raising funds. You know, you're. It's. The NFL's got a better pension, assistant coaches. You don't have the turnover. Everybody's getting paid. The agents and the GM control it. I think the NFL now is a better job than college football. And I didn't always think that. I didn't think that five years ago. Now, I mean, there's no break in college football. You're just recruiting 24 7. Just a conveyor belt of recruiting. Recruiting your staff to stay your players, to stay the nil portal, your high school players. It's. It's too much. I, I don't. College football. Coaching college football has been like. It's like coaching the NBA. It's a really bad, great job. It comes with a lot of Strength Coach of the year in the NBA means you're a year from being fired. Maybe the trade deadline, you're out. So the NFL, I still contend, if you get one of the better owners, and there's not a lot of great owners, but if you get one of those seven or eight really good owners in the NFL, like the Hunt family, Jeffrey Laurie in Philadelphia, you know, the Rams. Like, if you get a great owner, NFL. Stan Cronky as a pretty good. That's a pretty good league. But it gets crazy town pretty fast in the NFL because once the guys are billionaires, they write checks, they get moody, they get impulsive fast. So I don't think your thoughts on Saban.
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J. Mac
It's weird. I didn't hear you mention Woody Johnson among the great owners. The Jets. Jets front man. Yeah. There's no shot, by the way. Why do we do this? Why do we keep saying, could Belichick return? Could Saban return? Like, they had their run, they won forever. This isn't politics where the old guys get to still run the show. Let's get some new guys in there. I don't need to see Saban coaching college football again. No, thanks.
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Colin Cowherd
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