Hour 3 - Selling Stock on Shedeur, Christine Brennan

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Herd with Colin Cowherd"

Episode: Hour 3 - Selling Stock on Shedeur, Christine Brennan
Release Date: June 19, 2025

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1. Introduction to Stock Sales by Athletes

Timestamp: [02:46]

Christine Brennan opens the discussion by addressing the recent news of Shedeur Sanders selling his company stock. She expresses her disappointment, stating:

“Sometimes even insiders on Wall Street sell their own company stock. I have a right to sell my dalliance, my interest in Shedeur Sanders. I have sold all my shares over the last hour and a half.”
— Christine Brennan ([03:05])

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2. Analysis of the Lakers' New Ownership

Timestamp: [03:31] – [04:50]

Christine Brennan delves into the acquisition of the Los Angeles Lakers by Mark Walter's group, drawing parallels with their successful management of the Dodgers. Key points include:

• Financial Strategy: Emphasis on judicious spending and strategic acquisitions, avoiding unnecessary expenditures.
• Organizational Changes: Transition from a "mom and pop" ownership model to a more corporate structure, ensuring final decision-making power rests with the new owners.
• Impact on Team Performance: Optimism about the Lakers' future success, citing the Dodgers' consistent performance under Walter's management as a benchmark.

Brennan concludes that the Lakers are poised for success under the new ownership, highlighting the importance of a strong scouting and research department.

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3. Critique of Shedeur Sanders' Performance and Behavior

Timestamp: [04:59] – [12:26]

Christine Brennan transitions to discussing Shedeur Sanders, expressing skepticism about his reliability and maturity:

“If someone has securities and company stock, and the CEO and vice presidents are selling their stock, why are they selling? It's like a pilot changing his route to avoid a lightning storm.”
— Christine Brennan ([15:22])

She critiques Sanders' recent behavior, including multiple speeding tickets and missed arraignments, arguing that such actions reflect poorly on his professionalism and leadership qualities. Brennan emphasizes the importance of maturity in leadership roles, contrasting Sanders with other quarterbacks who exhibit professionalism both on and off the field.

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4. Introduction of Kenny Pickett Features

Timestamp: [12:53] – [16:53]

Christine Brennan announces the introduction of weekly features on Kenny Pickett, a quarterback she supports despite critics questioning his private life. She defends Pickett's character, referencing her consistent support for athletes who maintain professionalism.

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5. Brendan Brennan Discusses Caitlin Clark and Women's Sports

Timestamp: [16:53] – [34:50]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Christine Brennan's new book, "The Game: Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports." Key discussions include:

• Caitlin Clark's Impact: Brennan highlights Clark's role in elevating the WNBA's visibility, noting her remarkable performance and its effect on the league's popularity.

  “Caitlin Clark is so important to the financial future of the WNBA... she is one of our most famous athletes, she's one of our most famous Americans.”
  — Colin Cowherd ([26:16])

• League Preparedness: Brennan criticizes the WNBA's management for not adequately preparing for Clark's rise, leading to mishandled incidents and insufficient support.

• Race and Representation: The conversation touches on racial dynamics within the WNBA, emphasizing the importance of addressing racial issues rather than sidelining them.

• Future of the WNBA: Both Brennan and Cowherd express optimism about the league's growth, attributing it largely to Clark's star power and the potential for sustained success.

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6. Discussion on the Importance of General Managers in Sports

Timestamp: [47:01] – [48:37]

Christine Brennan and Colin Cowherd discuss the critical role of general managers (GMs) in sports organizations. They compare the Lakers' new ownership with other successful franchises:

• Scouting and Analytics: Emphasis on building robust scouting departments and integrating analytics to make informed decisions.

• Comparative Success: Highlighting how organizations like the Philadelphia Eagles and Cincinnati Bengals excel due to their effective GM strategies.

• Future Expectations: Optimism that the Lakers, under new management, will mirror the Dodgers' success by leveraging strong GM leadership.

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7. Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks

Timestamp: [34:50] – [55:33]

The episode wraps up with reflections on the current state of various sports leagues, the influence of star athletes, and the evolving landscape of sports management. Christine Brennan emphasizes the transformative power of athletes like Caitlin Clark in shaping their leagues' futures and the necessity for organizations to adapt to these changes effectively.

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Notable Quotes

• Christine Brennan on Lakers' Ownership:

  “They are going officially from dial-up to fiber optic. Yesterday was a great day to be a Laker fan.”
  — Christine Brennan ([03:31])

• Christine Brennan on Shedeur Sanders' Maturity:

  “If you thought you were on thin ice, wouldn't you just be a little more careful over those four or five?”
  — Christine Brennan ([12:26])

• Colin Cowherd on Caitlin Clark's Impact:

  “Caitlin Clark is one of our most famous athletes, she's one of our most famous Americans, period.”
  — Colin Cowherd ([26:16])

• Christine Brennan on WNBA's Preparedness:

  “The WNBA was not prepared for the magnitude of the moment.”
  — Christine Brennan ([23:40])

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" offers an in-depth analysis of key sports topics, notably the management changes in the Lakers' organization, the challenges faced by Shedeur Sanders, and the groundbreaking influence of Caitlin Clark on women's sports. Christine Brennan provides insightful commentary, blending personal opinions with factual reporting to engage listeners and shed light on the evolving dynamics within professional sports.

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[Christine Brennan]

Oh we just got a In five minutes, we'll have a little update on the Shedeur Sanders. Not great. Not great. You know, J. Mac, I know I was a big fan of Shador Sanders.

[Unknown]

I saw that.

[Christine Brennan]

You know what? Sometimes even insiders on Wall street sell their own company stock. I have a right to sell my dalliance, my. My interest in Shedeur Sanders. I have sold all my shares over the last hour and a half.

[Unknown]

Well, it's also, by the way, the news you're going to come with. It's not just the ticket that happened recently. Oh, yeah, there was another incident that we're only now finding out about. Colin.

[Christine Brennan]

Oh, boy, oh, boy. Celtics this week sold for $6 billion. Lakers said, well, we're already better than your brand. We're going to sell for 10. And they did yesterday. Yeah, people are freaking out. I'm here to tell you it is a great day to be a Laker fan with the new owners. So the group that bought the Lakers already owned a part of them. Mark Walter group, really shrewd, LA resident. All you have to do to wonder what's going to happen to the Lakers is look at the Dodgers scouting, research and development facilities, patients. A sharp dude. Don't know him. Know people that do. They spend more money than anyone, but they are very judicious. They rarely miss. The Lakers have been a mom and pop shop for years. It's Jeannie Buss and friends of the Family. That's cute. But this is 2025 and it's pro sports. The organization needs more juice, more financing, more eyes, new eyes. And this is what they have. They're going officially from dial up to fiber optic. Yesterday was a great day to be a Laker fan. Now the reports are well, Jeanie Buss will still be the governor. She will still be in the front office. Yeah. And that's what Mark Cuban told us when he sold the Mavs. And then he didn't know about the Luca trade. That's sort of a big deal. She's not going to have any power now. I think she's done great in operations. She's beloved in Los Angeles. A really cool person. Having her around the organization is awesome, but it's a whole different ballgame. When you spend $10 billion to buy something, you're going to have the final say. And that's what the Lakers need. This Dodger group, I'm telling you, man, they update and upgrade constantly. They don't give money away. They could have had Manny Machado. Nope. Corey Bellinger, mvp. Corey Seeger. They'll move off people. Since Mark Walter and his group have arrived, here's the reality. The Dodgers are first or tied for first and wins pennants, titles, World Series titles. And I hear this stuff, I hear all the fear mongers. Colin. Just another oligarch, another billionaire that doesn't care about the team. You want to know the worst owners in my life? Ted Stepien, look it up. Donald Sterling, Marge Schott. None of them were venture capitalists. None of them, like Mark Walter, were global asset managers. Small thinkers, bad people. Not this group. When you watch the Dodgers, man, they don't miss. It's impressive, by the way. Lot of teams spend money. Yankees spend a lot of money. They're top heavy. Dodgers never are. So even the way they finance stuff, deferred payments, they're always a step ahead. They go and get the very best people. When they took the Dodgers over, Andrew Friedman was the hot shot GM in Tampa. They went and got him. They were working on that Ohtani deal. Three years when he was an angel, three years out, they started working on that deal. I would not be surprised if they doubled the R and D, doubled the scouting department. The Lakers have too many friends and family. I'm looking for a meritocracy, not a barbecue. This is a great day. Don't be afraid of something that's been in the building for years now. They own all of it. I think the Lakers, the bus family owns 15% for a couple years. Okay, so you know, I have been telling you Shador Sanders, accuracy is impressive, but for years and years and years, it just happens to be always with Cleveland. I've said quarterback and decision making and maturity matters. The perfect quarterback in terms of maturity was Brady. Now I think Jalen Hurts is hard to beat. I mean, he goes to the press conference every Wednesday and I mean, honestly, it's like, is he. Is he a managing partner at a law firm? Like he is a grown up. If they got a. Philadelphia's got all sorts of noise. He puts it out, that guy. He should just bring a fire extinguisher. With Nick Sirianni and Big Dom and AJ Brown, that guy puts out fires better than anybody. And then there's the Cleveland Browns. I warned you about Baker Mayfield. I said he's starting fires, not putting them out. If he was a receiver, I wouldn't care. Or a corner. I was right. Johnny Mandel, talented. He's starting fires. He's not putting them out as right. I know. On the Reddit boards, Brown fans took me apart. I warned you about Deshaun Watson that you think that is a guaranteed contract. Those personal missteps to be diplomatic. Okay, so I championed Shador Sanders. I didn't love that he was sort of petty sometimes in games. But again, young athletes. I get it. A little bit of it. And I did not like the cringy draft room. Legendary. I mean, you'd think. You think Dion would have talked him out of that. Come on, man. You're a B prospect. And I said at the time, and not everything. It's cringy. Then word came out this morning, and I said, okay, I'm out. New information. I'm a pilot. New route. I'm off him. Report came out this morning that he got busted for 101 mile an hour speeding ticket. Now, word is out that he did not show up for his arrangement arraignment for that. And it's the second speeding ticket he's gotten. And remember, he's a pro athlete in Cleveland. They prefer not to give him tickets. They don't want to give Browns quarterbacks tickets. So I've got now, drip, drip, drip, drip. That's what I always said with Johnny Manziel. Drip, drip, drip. Becomes a gush. That's what I said about Baker. Drip, drip. It's just this and this and this. If there was never a legendary draft room and maybe this recent speeding ticket, you know, you know, he's going 15, 20 over now. I got the petulance as he played the legendary draft room 100 mile an hour. Pick a ticket. Mr. Rainmond. Another speeding ticket. I'm out. It matters. I'm out. I'm not interested. Starting tomorrow, we will have weekly Kenny Pickett features on the show. Say what you want, my Kenny Pickett. I don't hear anything about his private life. So I'm sorry. And I've written about this in my first book, and I've talked about it for years.

[Jason McIntyre]

Go ahead.

[Christine Brennan]

Defend bad behavior. I remember having a friend that was close. I don't want to. He's a. He's a popular media figure in Chicago, was friends with Jay Cutler. And I had talked to him a couple times. I didn't like Jay Cutler's body language on the sidelines. And he said, listen, I've hung with him. It ain't great. And I started hearing about Jay Cutler off the field, and I. I was kind of out. I was like, I know he's talented, you know, big time arm. Jay Cutler could sling it, baby. He could sling it. But I didn't like what I was hearing about what he was like in the room. How he treated fans get a little wild in his personal life. And I said, I'm out. And I've been consistent with this forever. I want you to be Herbert and Brady. I want you to be Dak Prescott. I. I may say Dak is overpaid. That guy is a grown up. And Dax, not perfect again. Dak had a little skirmish in college. I'm not asking to be perfect in college. I'm not asking for that. Shador is not in college. That legendary draft room. He's out of college. Now you're a professional. I'm done. It's okay. It's okay. By the way, Dylan Gabriel starting to be a primary topic on this show going forward. But you know, you can say, well, it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, you or nobody in your family's ever had the corner office job or been a quarterback. It is when you're, when you're a, you know, again. People make mistakes. People get DUIs. People I like.

[Jason McIntyre]

Nobody.

[Christine Brennan]

Everybody understands that. But he already dropped to 144th in the draft. He was already on thin ice. I mean, they're not even practicing him in the ones. Okay, so he's on thin ice. Two tickets. So Albert Brer earlier, it's not the end of the world, but for me it is. It we got. You're supposed to put fires out. I'm done. Here's Albert Brer.

[Albert Breer]

The issue now is that really, if you're the Browns, what you're looking for, Shador Sanders to do from a work standpoint is come in and operate as if he's the 30th or 40th or 50th guy on the roster. Because that's exactly what he is as a fifth round pick. He's a guy who's fighting not for their starting job, for a job on the team, period. This is a guy you're looking to blend in. And so this is one of those things where it's like, ah, that's not great. Now let's see how he'll react. Again, it's not something that's going to get him kicked off the team, but it's something you pay attention to.

[Christine Brennan]

By the way, J. Mac, is it me or is Dylan Gabriel looking a little taller this morning?

[Unknown]

Yeah, certainly. Dylan Gabriel. Very appealing. Colin, I need to come clean with you. An admission. I was cited out here in LA for a red light ticket last year. I just didn't want it to come out in the press. I wanted to make you aware of it before? You were out on me for a red light ticket. It was pricey, but it was definitely me. I made a mistake.

[Christine Brennan]

Well, I'm a full stop guy, so I don't have to deal with that.

[Unknown]

Listen, Shador is going to bounce back from this, I have a feeling. But I am very curious if other folks follow you. Cam Newton, who's been very defensive when anybody says anything about Shadow or Dion. Let's see what Cam Newton and company have to say.

[Christine Brennan]

You can criticize me all you want for my opinion. I don't cling to opinions when I get new information. I always say this. If. If somebody came up to you, and let's say you, you know, you had some equities, you had a 401k, you had company stock, and you were. You were 50 years old, you had kids, and you had some of your net worth and company stock, right? And somebody came up to you and said, dude, the CEO and two of the vice presidents are selling their stock. Would you be just like, hey, my opinion is this is a. This company. I got new information. Why is the most important people. Why are the most important people suddenly all simultaneously selling company stock? Do you want to get on a plane? And the pilot goes, listen, we got new radar, but I'm going right into that lightning storm. New information, new opinion. I'm a pilot. I'm changing my route. I'm flying around Shador Sanders, and I'm. I'm bringing that plane down at Dylan Gabriel International.

[Unknown]

Oh, what is Stefanski talking to the media? I listen. Nobody's asking about what's a running back situation in Cleveland or how's the wide receiver room? It's gonna be like, what's going on with Shador Sanders and his speeding issues?

[Christine Brennan]

I know, I. I'm not even gonna watch, but I can tell you the feedback on this. No big deal. That's what you said about Manziel said about Baker, and I kept telling you in Cleveland. And for the record, there are. There is a belief that the coach and the GM did not want to draft him anyway, okay? They're Dylan Gabriel fans. So you talk about on thin ice. If you thought you were on thin ice, right, or you thought you had a big contract coming up, wouldn't you just be a little more careful over those four or five? I mean, there's times in life that we're all more careful, right? Something's coming up. Oh, oh, oh. You know, it's like, oh, I've got a big event coming up. I've got a, a corporate deal coming up and it's just like I gotta, I gotta act my age for this. I gotta be ready for this. All of us do that in life. We button it up for a party or an event or where we have an off site meeting. I'm, I'm gonna be, you know, best behavior makes. Yeah, it's just like, it's not, it's just not difficult. Some, some Caitlin Clark thoughts from an insider. Next.

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Well, she's written seven a best selling author, seven different books. One of her sports books, Inside Edge is considered One of the 100 best sports books ever written. Sixteen of the last winter and Summer Olympics. She's been to all of them. Award winning national author and Christine Brennan now is joining us. She has a new book, I just started reading it last night on her game, Caitlin Clark, the Revolution in Women's Sports. You've covered a lot of women's basketball. That book is available in July, early July. And again, I just got a sneak peek last night and started Diving into it. So I was pretty critical. And you have as well with the wnba. I mean, when they opened up with New York and Connecticut, I'm like, people, give this lady a break. This is rough. And, but I will be honest, I thought she would be a star. Can I defend the WNBA last year and say, hey, they didn't know she was going to become Tiger woods with merchandise. Could I defend the wnba or did they just. Christine, did they just kind of butcher her first year?

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, Colin, I think there were signs of what was coming and I think those signs were missed. When you look at, as so many of us did, watching her, you know, from home, right. And watching that junior year start to develop, obviously going to the Final Four, taking an Iowa team that no one predicted would go that far, then to the final game, losing of course to LSU. The logo threes, the 41 point games, the triple doubles, just really the high wire act, right? Caitlin Clark is a basketball player for sure, but she's really an entertainer. And that was clear, I think, to many of us. And then the senior year where you've got people lined up in 18, 19, 20,000 arenas, seed arenas in, you know, at Maryland and Ohio State and in the, in January, you know, for hours waiting to get in to see her play, she's barnstorming right around the country, or at least around a good chunk of it. I think the signs were there that this was a huge deal. And as I report in the book and talk about this issue, and I do have a lot on this topic in the book, you know, I think that there was probably a thought within the wnba, which I really covered from the get go, that could this be possible? You know, the WNBA was basically ignored by the male dominated mainstream sports media for years. And you know, that's, that's one of the realities of our sports world. Well, I'm wondering if it was just something like, oh, could this possibly carry over? Obviously it carried over. It's, it's been an extraordinary story that you've covered that I've covered, so many of us have. And I think, yes, I think you could see something was coming. And I'm not so sure that the wnba, in fact, I am sure the WNBA was not prepared for the magnitude of the moment.

[Christine Brennan]

So Chris Broussard said something yesterday or the day before on FS1, and Chris said it actually was a bit beneficial that her skirmishes were not by African American WNBA players because it, because we got into this whole racial stuff. And Chris said, no, she's a Trash talker. Nobody likes her. Off the Indiana Fever. And I thought it was an interesting, whether that's right or not, I thought it was an interesting take. Is that when there was a lot of talk early about Angel Reese and kind of a racial component, did you buy that? Did you think that was a fair story?

[Colin Cowherd]

Certainly the issue of race is a big deal in this story. And I delve into that with wonderful voices, black and white, great leaders, thought leaders like Dr. Harry Edwards, of course, who was the impetus for the 1968 Mexico City Black Power salute. Other voices, Brian Oscuri. You know, I think it's very important to deal with that. And I think we'd be naive, you and I talking, if we didn't realize and of course understand, as Chris would say and did say, that clearly that there are those issues involved. You know, the Kennedy Carter hip check, which I go into in depth because that, of course, this last season, it was such a huge moment, not just with the wnba, frankly, Colin, but in our culture, you know, when people are talking about it for days, you know, of course, that was Kennedy Carter, who is black. And the WNBA did not, the referees did not deal with it in the moment, just like the one with Marina Mabry, of course, who's white. So you've got two of these kind of blindside, in fact, not kind of blindsiding situations of the person who is the biggest economic driver in the wnba, one white, one black. But yes, you cannot take race out of this conversation, nor should we take race out of this conversation because there's so many elements of this story that do involve a 74% black league that never got these players, never got their due, never. I fought for it, I've written about it, I talked about it. And people ignored them for decades. And thankfully they're not ignoring them now. Obviously, some of what we're seeing is stuff that we would really rather not see.

[Christine Brennan]

You know, it's listening to you, Christine Brennan joining it for the radio audience. The Game is the book is, excuse me, on her game, Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports. It sounds like you think the WNBA is again making a mistake by not at least sending a message and suspending the young lady that ran her over yesterday. Am I right in interpreting that?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes. Yes, you are. You know, we got some interesting data a couple weeks ago when Caitlin Clark was injured. Missed those five games, gone about three weeks. The USA Today, my colleague Jeff Zelgood actually reported that the TV attendance for the entire TV audience, for the entire league, not Just the Indiana Fever, but the entire League TV audience dropped more than 50%. That means that more than half of the TV audience for the WNBA disappeared when Caitlin Clark was gone.

[Christine Brennan]

Crazy.

[Colin Cowherd]

I covered Tiger the length of his career. We never saw those numbers with Tiger. We saw big drops when Tiger was gone. Michael Jordan, I looked nowhere near those kind of drops. So this athlete, Caitlin Clark, is so important to the financial future of the WNBA at the time, by the way, as you know, that the. The cba, the collective bargaining agreement is open and will be being negotiated. This is a key moment for the WNBA in terms of salaries and tv. And the four times now that the TV contract is four times more than it was before. That's a wonderful development. Caitlin Clark is really the engine here, driving all of it. And now you have this data, and I know that a lot of people don't like that. Facts are facts. Numbers are numbers. That's it. And for me, the whole reason I even looked at this story as I did, wrote a few columns for USA Today and then eventually had a book deal. But even before then, I realized, having covered sports for a long time, Colin, that I never thought that I would see arenas packed to the rafters and TV ratings more than the men. As we know, 4 million more for the women's final in the NCAA championship in 24 than the men the next night because of Caitlin Clark. All of these things that we would see arenas having to be games being moved to bigger arenas, and that we would be talking about a female athlete. Never in my lifetime did I think I would see that. And I think that's what makes this so remarkable and so different from another phenom coming into a sport. The magnitude for her and what she means to the W. And the WNBA. You know, we talk about Tiger. There was golf, you know, and Tiger did, of course, lift golf. But golf had already had Arnie and Jack and Tom Watson and. And so many others. And even going way before that, the NBA obviously needed the boost of Bird of magic, but it had also had, you know, of course, great names from the past. Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, those great teams, the Celtics and others. So what I guess I'm saying is that the WNBA needed this more than any other of the sports that we kind of try to compare Caitlin to with those great phenoms lifting a sport. She is even more important to her sport than those guys were to theirs.

[Christine Brennan]

This is. Rick Bucher mentioned this yesterday. I think Stephen ate it as well, that, you know, we're. We're playing the Victim thing with the skirmish, a little hot. She is a trash talker. She's Larry Bird. And by the way, I, I don't know, I, I never am going to assume you've ever watched anything. But my take on this whole thing is if you respect women, then let's treat them more like guys. Basketball. They're going to fight, they're going to flagrant, they're going to technical, they're going to swear, they're going to be inappropriate. That's how this thing works. Basketball, the WNBA is not a vertical league. It has been chippy for 20 years. It is a chippy. It's a more linear, more horizontal. They don't do Ja Morant and jump over you. They elbow. These are physical women and we're finding out they talk trash. And my take is it is a wonderful thing. But back to my initial point is are we making her more of a victim that she's got a little Larry Bird and some of this stuff? Maybe she's got it common.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, the last person who wants to be seen as a victim is Caitlin Clark. Obviously. I spent a lot of time around the team and by the way, I disagree with Chris on that point about that. They hate her or don't like her. They love her. They love her. And some of the new players they brought in wanted to come. Right? They saw what was going on in Indiana. They saw the opportunities to do the deals and go to the supermarket and the gas station and whatever and meet people and get the whatever the fee is for that, the honorarium. That Caitlin can't do all that stuff. So there's a lot of people who like Caitlin Clark a lot. But she is a trash talker. Absolutely. They had the de escalation committee last year to drag her away from trouble when she was close to getting the seventh technical. That would have meant she would have had to sit out a game. Oh yeah, she's feisty, she's tough, she's strong. The way she revs up a crowd and people love her for that. Colin, so I agree with you. I think there's absolutely no reason to coddle these athletes. I certainly, when the questions I ask, I'm not coddling them. If I'm going to ask a man that question, a male athlete, I will ask a female athlete. Obviously that was something that people got mad about last year. That's journalism 101 to me. And yes, now Caitlin Clark absolutely can take it. Now the question is though, the cheap shots, the out of the blue, you don't see Them coming cheap shot, the freight train kind of thing of Marina Mabry. Is that smart to not have them punished, have that punished by a game or two suspension? I'm, I'm thinking not with what we've talked about before, Colin, the magnitude of Caitlin Clark and what he mean, what she means for this league at this moment.

[Christine Brennan]

Yeah, no, the league send messages all the time. I mean the NFL will change rules in a season and I, I think I said this earlier. I, I didn't know what to do with it obviously garnered a technical but you can make a compelling argument. They should probably just for messaging. They should probably sit that player down for a game or two. Just if nothing else, just tone and messaging. My mom would from time to time when I was a kid sit me down just for messaging and it was always very effective. So that leagues have been doing that my entire life. Christine Brennan on her game Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in women's sports. July 8th. It's out. I started it last night, folks. Last year I called her Taylor Swift in basketball shoes. This is, this is a new frontier. This is, it's. This stuff is incredible. Think about this. They outdrew the Pacers and the Pacers are in the finals and the Pacers are the fastest paced NBA team. So they play an incredibly aesthetically pleasing style of basketball and the fever outdraw them. That is in itself remarkable. Christine, final thoughts on the book and if I, if I'm on the. I don't know if I want to but tell people kind of where you go on this. A lot of stuff I've learned early that I didn't know well that was my hope.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, it's a journalistic no holds barred look at this time it's unauthorized and that's a good thing. That means that I am not working with Caitlin. She answered all my questions. She is amazing. She is as good as you'd hoped she would be. Looks you in the eye, answers, everything goes on for several minutes. I write in the book. Colin. She's 22 going on on 40 or 50. Remarkable especially with the issues and the things that were thrown at her for sure. And she's kept it up again this year and you know, I break a lot of news. More on the Olympic snub that I think is the worst team selection decision I have ever seen in covering the Olympics since the 80s. Yeah. And a lot of. Yeah, thank you. And yeah, I mean it looks worse by the day. Obviously it's a year old now so we can move on. But it is. I think people will be fascinated by that a lot. From Caitlin's friends, Kate Martin, Tamika Catchings. Throughout the book, as I mentioned talking about the start of the wnba, how tough that was, how important that was. I really tried to touch on every important issue of this last year and a half at this extraordinary time in our country. And I do think people who follow her closely will still be very surprised by some of the things in the book and very proud of it. And certainly, again, Caitlin Clark is a worthy story at this time. I mean, truly, I think you can make the case. Not only is she one of our most famous athletes, she's one of our most famous Americans, period. Grandmothers and grandfathers in the produce section would never watch. They're looking for where ION is or whatever on their TV set to make sure that they can watch Caitlin Clark play. And that's a great thing for all those other players to get that attention as well.

[Christine Brennan]

Christine, thank you so much. Good seeing you again.

[Colin Cowherd]

You too, Colin. Thank you.

[Christine Brennan]

That's interesting when she. Because I remember when they didn't put her on the Olympic team, and I said, folks, just get her on the team. What are you doing? And I got a lot of pushback. You're out of touch. You don't understand. I said, here's what I understand. Sometimes an artist gets hot. Martin, you'd know this. You put them. You put them on the tour. Coachella's like, let's get him in. Well, I mean, they've only sold so many records. You put them. You just. Coachella. Get him out there in the desert is not putting her on the Olympics. I'm glad twisting Brennan has that take, because I didn't get that at all. The league got a little too precious. Little too precious. All right, J. Mac, where did you land on that one? I. I'm like, put it on the Olympic.

[Unknown]

The Olympic one?

[Christine Brennan]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Oh, that was goofy. I mean, you know, it goes back. Do you remember Steph Curry when he zoomed past, like, Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook and became, like, a major phenom in the country? Everybody knew Steph Curry. There was jealousy and hate for him from Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook. They were supposed to be the next great stars, and they were anger. I think the same thing happened with Caitlin Clark. She zoomed past everybody in the league, and they were like, well, we're putting a rookie on the Olympic team. Let's settle down. Yeah, I got the Christine Brennan book. Very excited to read that thing. Yeah, you know, we're all in on Caitlin Clark. Colin. She's a big story. Like huge.

[Christine Brennan]

Yeah, that Olympic thing was really polarizing and again and I remember at the time saying sometimes just don't out think the room. An artist gets hot and athletes get just make make except people go, well we don't want to create a precedence. Caitlin Clark is the precedence. There are no more. There's never been another Tiger Woods. Rory McElroy's Got Talent, but he doesn't have Tiger's will and force. There are no other like like we may never see another Mahomes. Josh Allen's great. So is Lamar Mahomes. Got Andy Reid. We may never see this again.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Christine Brennan]

Okay. So like you a lot of the greatest of all time. We'll never see a basketball player like LeBron. No way. Not was it eight straight finals or Wayne Gretzky. Eight straight MVPs. That's never happening again. Well, we're never going to see that again.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Christine Brennan]

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[Christine Brennan]

Without further ado, J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no.

[Unknown]

Heard on the news.

This is the Herd line news.

All right, Colin, start with your Rams. You remember Jared Verse. What a season he had. Boy, he was phenomenal. The sacks weren't there, but the pressures were fourth most of any defensive player last year. Well, recently retired offensive tackle Taron Armstead gave an interview and said he's glad he doesn't have to face Jared Verse anymore.

He was a rookie from the Rams, that young boy, Jerry Burst.

[Christine Brennan]

Yep.

[Unknown]

I'm cool. I'm good. I never got to see that man again. I'm all right with. I'm. I'm okay with that. Never seeing that young man again in my life.

[Christine Brennan]

Bull rush.

[Unknown]

Different dog is different. You know that it's coming. You brace yourself. He's different. Jerry Verse is different. He would be a defensive player of the year one one of these days. Mark my words. Wow.

[Christine Brennan]

I. I think there's an argument that at some point here this year, he will be the second best pass rusher to Miles Garrett in the league. That's how good he is.

[Unknown]

Put your money where your mouth is and bet him. Defensive player of the year. Take a flyer on that one, huh? Better than T.J. watt.

[Christine Brennan]

I just hope Brock Purdy remains upright. This kid is. This kid is. He is different.

[Unknown]

Well, versus Gonna have to get around Treadmill Williams.

[Christine Brennan]

First of all, how old is Trent?

[Unknown]

Decent, decent tackle.

[Christine Brennan]

Let me tell you this. I remember reading the draft preview on him and, you know, he nitpicked these young athletes and they were saying, like, Jared Verse, he's only got one move. He's just strictly a bull rusher. And then these 330 pound O tackles are like, yeah, it's different. Yeah, he may only have one move, but you can't block that move like it. He bulldozes. Think about how hard it is to move an athletic six foot, six and a half, 335 pound guy. He knocks them backwards. And he is. What does he weigh? 265, 270. So he is 60 pounds less. Knocks these and they know he's coming. It's not blindsided. Look at this. Look at these double teams. He just. He just. Man. And this is the Eagles O line. He just manhandles Pro bowl tackles. Manhandles them.

[Unknown]

You know, I never played football, but that's kind of how I think I would look if I played defensive end. I mean, versus Every. What an animal. Let's move to the Denver Broncos. Colin boy, their defense was excellent last year and they got the playoffs of Bo Nixon, Sean Payton. Well, Sean Payton talking to the media expects the team to have a real good defense. Adding, there are a lot of ways to help a young quarterback, any quarterback, and a good defense helps. Now, a lot of people would say, oh, just give him the weapons. But the defense means, hey, man, you just have to not make mistakes. And we good. You don't need to throw the ball 30 times. We don't need weapons because our defense is going to keep us in games. And I think that's the idea in Denver.

[Christine Brennan]

Well, that, that's been one of the problems with Detroit is that Goff in his first couple of years got into shootouts. And Jared Goff's not a guy, you know, because he doesn't have a lot of escapability. If you keep asking your offense, offensive line to Pass block for 44 throws, it's a problem, you know, So I think my take has always been even with Patrick Mahomes, I want him throwing 28 times a game. I do not want my offensive line back. Offensive linemen love run blocking. None of them like pass blocking. Right? Like, you make one mistake pass blocking, you're on the highlights. So I mean it just for all things considered, even Mahomes and Josh Allen, you get to about 28, go look at Dax numbers when they ask him to throw over, like 33 throws, he's. He has a losing record. There is it. When you start asking quarterbacks and old linemen, that's a high risk. Multiple blitzes, balls in the air. Just. It doesn't. Long term. It's not a way to win games consistently.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Final story calling us back to the Lakers and their new ownership will mark Walter, the big billionaire. You know, he had a stake in the Dodgers and it kind of went well. Well, after the news broke of Walter buying the Lakers, a reporter asked Dodgers manager Dave Roberts about some photoshops going around of Shohei Ohtani in a Lakers uniform.

[Colin Cowherd]

Would your message to their fans be hands off? Yeah.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Unknown]

Yes, that's my message.

[Christine Brennan]

Hands off of Shohei.

[Unknown]

Yeah, they, they got, they got, they got enough superstars wearing the purple and goal.

[Christine Brennan]

Yeah, leave him alone. It will be interesting, though. If you look at the way they have run the Dodgers, they will pay, but they'll move off stars in their 20s. Bellinger Seeger. Max Scherzer was older. I think he was in his 30s. Manny Machado had a good year with the Dodgers and they knew he was going to the Padres. They knew the Padres were in it. And they're like, go ahead. And if I recall, I could be wrong on the Zach Grinke was another one, a pitcher, I think. I think Mark Walters group owned the Dodgers at that point. I could be wrong, but he ever. A lot of people thought they should have paid him. They let him go to Arizona, if I recall.

[Unknown]

So pretty crazy stat, Colin. Last 12 years since Walters took over in 2012, the Dodgers have been, how do we say this decent. I mean, look at their MLB ranking. Wins first divisional titles first NL penance tied for first World Series tied. That's just since this guy took over. Now, obviously baseball, no salary cap. You could just spend as much as you want. But the thing is he's got the infrastructure with the Dodgers where they've got everything laid down. I mean it is perfect. Their scouting system is impeccable. You start adding that to the Lakers. I think Luka at least wins one title with the Lakers, maybe two or three. They are going to get that roster stacked I would say within three years.

[Christine Brennan]

The key to it is there are general managers in this league. In every sport there are general managers. Howie Roseman, NFL Veach is very respected in Kansas City. There are general managers as these salary caps. Like the NBA was the last. Well, I just said the NBA until about a year ago, two years ago, I mean, we saw Golden State do it. You could stack your roster. You could just have. You're paying Draymond, Steph, Clay, Katie, you.

[Unknown]

Could pay everybody who cares.

[Christine Brennan]

Boston was the last roster like that and now they're moving off. They're going to move off multiple big contracts. The reality is general managers are really important in the NFL and that's going to become the key. Watch. My first take is now Rob Pelinka signed a new deal with Jeanie Buss.

[Unknown]

Yeah, they like.

[Christine Brennan]

I don't know. But. And they do like him and he deserves some credit. Austin Reeves is undrafted on, you know, but if you go look at the way the Dodgers did it, they got their scouting department up and cooking. I would not be surprised if they didn't add extensively to the Lakers scouting department overseas. Just, just add bodies to it. Yeah, well, I mean if you go look at the Philadelphia Eagles scouting department and the Cincinnati Bengals, why do the Eagles draft better than the Bengals? It's not just Howie Roseman. He's not in his Volkswagen van driving around the country scouting division FCS football. He's Got a massive staff and he coordinates it.

[Unknown]

Well, J.J. redick when he came into the Lakers was like, oh, I'm big on analytics. Where's our analytics department? And they were like, yeah, go into that office cubby hole. He's like, what the hell is this? You know? So he's already started to build out the analytics crew with the Lakers. Listen, they're going to be going to the moon buy Lakers stock right now, folks.

[Christine Brennan]

J. Mac with the news.

[Unknown]

Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The herd line news.

[Christine Brennan]

We were talking about this a couple days ago. We were saying this J. Mac is like tonight's fascinating. I am actually strangely equally interested in the Indiana Pacers in OKC as I am Caitlin Clark facing one of the league's most physical basketball teams. And I can't explain it. Like sometimes some we're all distracted. Our iPhones, I mean I don't know how many hours a day you're on your phone. I try to stay under hour and a half, but I read a lot on the phone. But the truth is we're just a very distracted nation. And so. And this has really hurt baseball, basketball, hockey, regular season ratings. That's why it's kind of a. Yeah, because like we'll watch events. NBA Finals playoffs, a Saturday night NBA game, college football. We watch events. I mean because the Olympic events, Olympic ratings up, World cup up, you know, ufc, pay per view, everything. The events have never been more popular and profitable. But getting people to watch Monday through Thursday or Monday through Friday regular season games is a real struggle. That's why baseball in the last couple years has seen that and, and Fox deserves a lot of credit. Our Fox management has gone to baseball for four or five years and said guys, you have to create events. Mets, Phillies over in London, the game in Iowa, you know, Fox management. I think I can say that now. I hope I don't called into the principal's office, but if Fox went to baseball and said you don't have enough events, the Home Run Derby's your highest rated non World Series game. Do more stuff like that. And it mattered. And so baseball's been doing that and changing rules and there's an immediate payoff. Attendance again is up, ratings are again up. So baseball, and it's harder for baseball because you have 162 games. You have so much inventory. There's no scarcity in baseball until the postseason. So you can see baseball is the greatest example. If you make stuff feel more urgent, you shorten the games. So every inning feels bigger. And if you create events, American people have always loved baseball. It just got long. And we're on our iPhone, so I don't know what it is. I can't explain it, but Caitlin Clark games, I literally check. Oh, what, what channel are they on and what time are they on?

[Unknown]

Yeah, tonight Caitlin Clark's probably TV2 for Amazon Prime. TV1 USA Saudi Arabia. I'm just going to remind you, at the last World Cup, Argentina lost its opener with Messi to Saudi Arabia. So this team is no joke, no pushover. I am seeing a little bit of US game day money coming in. They're up to minus 185 on the money line to win tonight. USA Saudi Arabia. It's a big game.

[Christine Brennan]

You called game one. You said it was going to be four or five. Nothing.

[Unknown]

I kind of want to be a little nerdy and go one one tonight, but I will go to one USA over Saudi Arabia. This. I don't want Pochettino to get blasted here. You lose oh two and the sky is officially falling. I'm serious.

[Christine Brennan]

I mean, listen, in the big picture, it doesn't matter that much a loss for our show tomorrow.

[Unknown]

You're probably going to lead with it if they lose. Yeah.

[Christine Brennan]

Oh, USA Soccer's on FS1. Yeah, of course it is. We have the tournament.

[Unknown]

Massive.

[Christine Brennan]

Okay, FS1 tonight. TV number one USA Soccer Summer is.

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