Hour 3 - The draft prospects

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: Hour 3 - The Draft Prospects
Release Date: June 26, 2025
Host/Guests: Colin Cowherd, Lane Johnson (NFL Player), Jason McIntyre, and guest Colin Cowherd
Platform: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. Introduction and Guest Appearance

Timestamp: [02:19]
Host: Colin Cowherd
Guest: Lane Johnson, a five-time All-Pro and two-time Super Bowl champion, entering his 13th NFL season.

Colin introduces Lane Johnson, highlighting his illustrious career and recent retirement consideration. He remarks, “He’s the best right tackle in football” ([02:30]).

2. Post-Super Bowl Reflection

Timestamp: [03:42]
Topic: Mental resilience post-Super Bowl loss.

Lane discusses the mental challenges following a Super Bowl loss, emphasizing the constant pressure from opponents:
"Each team you face really feels like their chance to prove something. Mentally, you're going to receive everybody's best week in and week out." ([03:42])

3. Offseason Training and Preparation

Timestamp: [04:05]
Topic: Lane’s offseason routine.

He elaborates on his training regimen post-Super Bowl, focusing on scaling down weights and increasing mobility:
"A lot of it is calculated to where you're peaking at the right times." ([04:12])

4. Acquisition of Saquon Barkley

Timestamp: [04:33]
Topic: Integration of Saquon Barkley into the team.

Lane shares his quick adaptation to Barkley, highlighting his work ethic and personality:
"He has a gravitating type of personality. He's really a team-first guy." ([04:52])

5. Coaching by Nick Sirianni

Timestamp: [05:26]
Topic: Effective coaching strategies.

Lane praises Coach Sirianni’s communication and accountability measures:
"He's a very good communicator... accountability is really big in our building." ([05:48])

6. Leadership of Jalen Hurts

Timestamp: [06:34]
Topic: Quarterback leadership and team dynamics.

The discussion shifts to Jalen Hurts, with Lane commending his maturity and temperament:
"He is wise beyond his years and his calm, cool nature sets a precedent for us." ([07:15])

7. Mastermind Summit with Offensive Linemen

Timestamp: [09:18]
Topic: Learning from veteran offensive linemen.

Lane talks about the upcoming Mastermind Summit, emphasizing the value of learning from Hall of Famers and top rookies:
"It's a great two days to soak in as much knowledge as you can." ([09:49])

8. Lane Johnson’s 13th NFL Season and Health

Timestamp: [10:48]
Topic: Health and longevity in the NFL.

Lane shares his improved mobility post-injuries and his outlook on his career:
"I feel a whole lot better than I did when I was 30, going through the surgeries." ([10:59])

9. Personal Anecdotes: Fishing Trip

Timestamp: [12:01]
Topic: Personal life and hobbies.

Lane recounts a memorable fishing trip, showcasing his lighter side and camaraderie with teammates:
"That one weighed around 80 pounds... had to ice my back up a little bit after that." ([12:23])

10. NFL Draft Prospects

Timestamp: [18:27]
Topic: Analysis of CJ Stroud and Houston Texans.

Lane and host discuss CJ Stroud’s performance and potential, referencing Peyton Manning’s support:
"He's two for two in the playoffs, which is impressive." ([19:04])

11. NBA Discussions: Jaylen Brown and Kevin Durant

Timestamp: [19:20]
Topic: NBA player trades and performances.

The conversation shifts to the NBA, focusing on Jaylen Brown’s potential trade to the Miami Heat and Kevin Durant’s unparalleled scoring achievements:
"Kevin Durant is the only player in NBA history to average over 25 points a game on four teams." ([24:08])

12. College Basketball Draft Insights

Timestamp: [31:16]
Topic: Evaluation of incoming college basketball players.

Colin and Lane, joined by Aaron Torres, analyze prospects like Ace Bailey, Dylan Harper, Carter Bryant, V.J. Edgecombe, and Trey Johnson:
"Carter Bryant reminds me so much of Rudy Gay at the same age." ([34:43])

13. Concerns and Highlights of Draft Picks

Timestamp: [40:28]
Topic: Potential risks and standout talents in the draft.

They discuss players like Colin Murray Boyles and Walter Clayton, evaluating their readiness and potential impact in the NBA:
"Walter Clayton is more of an off-the-bench scorer, but he’s a great addition for the Wizards." ([41:43])

14. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [42:35]
Host: Colin Cowherd
Guest: Lane Johnson

The episode wraps up with Colin and Lane reflecting on the discussions, praising the depth of draft prospects and expressing excitement for the upcoming seasons.

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Notable Quotes:

• Lane Johnson on Coach Sirianni:
  "Accountability is really big in our building and it doesn't matter who you are or what you do." ([05:48])

• Lane Johnson on Jalen Hurts:
  "He is wise beyond his years and his calm, cool nature sets a precedent for us." ([07:15])

• Colin Cowherd on Kevin Durant:
  "Kevin Durant is the only player in NBA history to average over 25 points a game on four teams." ([24:08])

Key Insights:

• Mental Toughness: Lane emphasizes the importance of mental resilience in handling high-pressure games and post-Super Bowl setbacks.

• Team Dynamics: The integration of Saquon Barkley and the leadership of Jalen Hurts are pivotal for the team's performance.

• Coaching Excellence: Nick Sirianni’s communicative and accountable coaching style significantly benefits the team.

• Draft Prospects: Detailed analysis of both NFL and NBA prospects showcases the depth and potential of upcoming talents.

• Personal Health: Lane’s experience with injuries and recovery highlights the significance of physical health in an athlete’s longevity.

Conclusions:

The episode provides a comprehensive look into the intricacies of team dynamics, coaching strategies, and the evaluation of draft prospects across both NFL and NBA. Lane Johnson’s insights offer a behind-the-scenes perspective on professional sports, emphasizing the blend of physical preparation, mental toughness, and effective leadership essential for success.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Lane Johnson]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Lane Johnson]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Lane Johnson]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Lane Johnson]

Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, he'll be a hall of Famer. He's a five time all Pro, two time super bowl champ. Best right tackle in football. Lane Johnson, entering his 13th NFL season. I had him retired a couple of, a couple years ago. His agent called me and said now he's the best tackle in football on the right side. You get out of here. All right. Before I get to your mastermind camp, which I love by the way, it's going to be at Cosm in Dallas, which the Cosm in LA is unbelievable. It's an incredible facility. I want to talk about this. So you're a Super bowl champ. The last time you were a Super bowl champ, you were on the 2017 team that came back and did not win. Can you take anything from your, your, your year after Super Bowl? Was there anything in 2017 that caught you off guard? I mean, let's face it, when you're a Super bowl team, you play more intense games where you beat up. Were you fatigued? Go back to that year, Lane, what did you learn from that year after super bowl where you didn't win?

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

Yeah, it's just, it's a tough scenario to get over mentally. But I think that each team you face really feels like, you know, it's their chance to prove something. And so mentally you're going to be receiving everybody's best, you know, week in and week out. So, you know, coming into the season, that's what I'm really looking for. You know, just, you're going to get everybody's best shot.

[Lane Johnson]

The. How much of an off season do you give yourself after the Super Bowl?

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm always doing something training wise, so I maybe scale it down a bit as far as weights for like a month, more mobility stuff, and then I kind of progress my way through it, you know, leading into the season. So, I mean, it's a long season. You don't want to peak too soon. So a lot of it's, you know, calculated to where you're peaking at the right times.

[Lane Johnson]

In January, February, when you guys acquire Saquon Barkley, how many practices or games, Lane, did it take for you to go? Oh, yeah, that's. I've not seen that behind me before. How long did it take to be.

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

About three plays in team period at the last training camp. So, you know, I got to, I got to watch him a lot, you know, from the other side of the field. I knew what type of player he was, but really, you know, he, he's just, he has a gravitating type of personality. He's really a team first guy. He practices hard, he does everything the right way and leads the right way. And you know, I was just, you know, it was a few minutes into the packers game in Brazil, you know, when he caught that swing rod out there in the corner of the end zone. I was like, okay, it's going to be a fun year.

[Lane Johnson]

Yeah, it was. So I've been critical of Nick Sirianni. I finally, last year begrudgingly said, yeah, I don't get it sometimes you look crazy for me, but it works. Tell me he's still young. What's the secret sauce? What does Nick do that really works for you as a elite Pro bowl level player?

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

I think the way how he just. He's a very good communicator. So if something, you know, isn't addressed, you know, he will address it. Anything in the media, you know, we all talk about it. So I feel like nothing's off limits. I really love how he grades practices and games. You know, everybody on every play. If you do wrong, your number is up on the board. If you're a coach, you make a bad call, your name is on there. So I feel like accountability is really big in our building and it doesn't matter who you are or what you do. Everybody's kind of held to a similar standard. But I think what sets coach apart is just he's a very good communicator. He loves to get everybody's, I guess, approach to the game and see what wires him. And so I feel like he knows how to motivate guys in his own way. The.

[Lane Johnson]

You know, I've said this before. If I could pick a quarterback in the league that I think at the podium is the best because I think that matters. I think how you get along with teammates. Philadelphia's got a very loud, aggressive media. I do not need a quarterback starting fires. I need a quarterback putting out fires. And I think Jalen's the best. He's in Tom Brady's class. He's the best I've ever seen. There's something about his maturity and maybe just it's parents or something. You've been around so many players. What is he like when I don't see him, what is Jalen hurts like.

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

Pretty quiet guy. He loves to listen to old soul music. So I'm talking about stuff from the 60s, 70s. So, you know, a lot of stuff, even pre game is really, you know, he's an old soul. And so, yeah, I feel like he is wise beyond his years. And I think his temperament, you know, how he presents himself every day, that calm, cool nature. I feel like it's, it's very good for our team because like you said, we are in a, in a big time city that can get a little bit rambunctious at times. So I think having that day in, day out is your leader. I think it sets a precedent for us to, you know, to be calm and just focus on what's ahead of you. And so, you know, that goes for everybody in the building, really.

[Lane Johnson]

Okay, July 22nd, so you're about a month out and the season's now 17 games. It is. And again, Philadelphia football is different than Jacksonville. It is intense. Every talk show, every practice, how do you get right? How do you go into it and be like, okay, it's a journey. It's not just the desk. It's. It's a journey. Go to your young self and go to Lane Johnson today. How do you approach a season, Lane now opposed to maybe seven, eight years ago?

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

I feel like I have a plan. You know, as I've gotten older, I feel like I've become a better pro younger. I was just, you know, wasn't really listening a whole lot. So, you know, for me, I think it's about knowing your body, training hard, practicing hard, and really, I mean, you got to take it one practice at a time, one meeting at a time and really try to, you know, have that become who you are. And so where you get out on the field, you're not thinking a whole lot. And if, you know, I think for all of us players, we want to channel all the Philadelphia pride and everything they have and how they care about football and to how we play. So it's a lot easier said than done. But I mean, I feel like there is, there isn't a greater city as far as motivation is concerned. In Philadelphia, they really get you wired in, in the right way, in the best way.

[Lane Johnson]

No, the fans are incredible. By the way, July 10th and 11th, before camp, you're at the Cosm in Dallas, which is. I haven't been to the one in Dallas. The one in LA is epic. It's just so good. And you're going to bring hall of Famers and top rookies like Tristan Wirths and Dion Dawkins. You're having it called the Mastermind Summit. It's the best offensive lineman. Do you, do you ever steal anything from one of the offensive linemen? I mean, do you ever borrow stuff on tape? Do you ever call another off? Oh, you do give me something I.

[Colin Cowherd]

Mean, you do that.

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

Yeah, I call Jason Peters a lot during the season. Or texting, I'll text Joe Thomas. I'm trying to learn everything I can. I think the reason why my urgency wasn't starting this is that whenever I came into the league, I was new to playing online. I didn't really know a whole lot about it and I was trying to figure out who's who, who's done what and learn as much as I can. And so getting everybody in this room over the past seven years has been just really cool. And I think the timing is right before camp and so you just get to listen to people that have really dominated the game of football in all aspects and they tell you how they went about their day to day life as a pro football player, stuff off the field. And I think for, you know, young players, old players such as myself, guys that are in college, it's just a great two days to just soak in as much knowledge as you can. And so, you know, hopefully you can implement whatever you've learned from some different guys into your play style.

[Lane Johnson]

Entering year 13, when Lane Johnson gets up in the morning, how do you feel today after 13 years in the trenches in the NFL?

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

I feel good most days. There are some days that, you know, can get long, but no, I feel, I mean, I was explaining I had, you know, my 29 and 30s whenever I had my ankle surgery and injuries, and I felt like that really hampered me in 20, 21. And so I feel like now my mobility is like fully back and so I'm able to do things that I was able to do early in my career. And so, yeah, I feel like I feel really good. You know, I never expected that I would say that at this age, but I mean, that's, that's the truth. I feel a whole lot better than I did when I was 30, going through the surgeries and really, you know, just a dark period in my career. So. But yeah, it is challenging. I'm not going to say it's easy, but you know, we have a lot of, a lot of great guys around me, a lot of sport. So I mean, it's, it's all for them.

[Lane Johnson]

By the way, we got a picture of you apparently holding up a massive fish. Is this an Oklahoma. Holy. Is that Oklahoma? Where is that?

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

Yeah, that is in Grand Lake of the Cherokees. It is up by Tulsa. So, yes, that is what you call a paddlefish. So it's a type of like sturgeon. They feed off of plankton. Harmless, will not hurt. You, but they are huge. So. Yeah, it was definitely a fun trip.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Lane Johnson]

I hope you didn't. Hope you had better than like 10 pound test line there. How much that thing weigh?

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

That one weighed around 80, so I think we had. Yeah, 60. 60 pound braided Brady line. So, yeah, it was a big boy. It took me. Had to ice my backup a little bit after that.

[Lane Johnson]

Yeah. J. Mac, that pulled you in the water right there. Lane Johnson. Thank God Lane Johnson was on the boat and pulled that thing in. Hey, man, it's great seeing you. Look great. Congratulations again. You're just collecting rings and a great seeing you.

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

Thank you. Appreciate you for having me and talk to you soon.

[Lane Johnson]

Lane Johnson going to be a Hall of Famer, one of the all time greats. He's got that move now. Everybody's kind of everybody's eyes cheating. Ain't moving his right foot early. That's funny. Everybody's copying him. Ever notice that that guy is cheating? Yeah, everybody does it. Okay.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Lane Johnson]

That's when you're a Hall of Famer. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am.

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

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[Lane Johnson]

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[Lane Johnson]

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[Lane Johnson]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Lane Johnson]

He's still moving.

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J Mac with the news no, no.

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

Heard on the news.

[Lane Johnson]

This is the Herdline news. You know Philadelphia Dud. When's the last time Philadelphia think about this. Did not have a great online. They're on about an 11 year heater, it feels like.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, well, it's because they're reeling in big fish like that and all the guys are strong. That thing was massive. Anyways, let's get started with CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans. You know, Stroud had a great rookie season. I'm surprised you didn't put him on your untradable list. But he did take a step back last year, although the Texans made the playoffs. Well, at this thing called Fanatics Fest, Peyton Manning spoke highly of Stroud and defended him from the quote unquote down year.

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

He went to the playoffs in his second year. He's it was 22. Let's be careful saying it was a down year. Okay, I didn't win a playoff game till my sixth year. Right. And so he's two for two.

[Lane Johnson]

I love that. Peyton Manning did not win a playoff game until his sixth year. So for all the Lamar Jackson critics, yet, when you've got Big Ben and Brady, it's hard to win playoff games. The. Herbert Bashers. The. The. The. Take a deep breath. Lamar Bashers. Herbert Bashers. Peyton Manning. About as good a quarterback as the sport has had. Year 6.

[J. Mac]

I remember the jets smashed them in one playoff game.

[Lane Johnson]

Was like, I do that. I remember that, too.

[J. Mac]

04110 something.

[Lane Johnson]

Yeah.

[J. Mac]

Um, but context, as usual, is needed. Uh, he had, like, no good defenses early. Remember, they had the awesome offense, but the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed. Anyways, um, you know, I. I don't know what to make of Stroud. I. I don't think he's top five. I would take Jalen hurts over him in a heart.

[Lane Johnson]

Okay.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay.

[Lane Johnson]

But remember, Tunzel had a terrible year and Diggs got hurt. I think Tank Dell got hurt. They lost three of their. Three of their top four receivers and their left tackle stunk. So I'm going to give him a pass on that. I think all I know, and I said this before, when I watch C.J. stroud play, and Joe Burrow has this quality, easy accuracy. Moving left, moving right. Jaden Daniels has this. Burrow's really got it. I mean, look at that pass right there. He's got a guy in his kitchen, he's throwing off one foot. He puts it in a bread box in the back of the end zone. When you're that accurate, you will win games in this league. That's what separates for. Burrow is more accurate than Mahomes, and Mahomes is all time.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, I need to squint to see if that was against the Titans or the Colts. All these people who bashed LeBron. Oh, he played in a weak East. Yeah. C.J. stroud's been in the worst division in football for two years.

[Lane Johnson]

And made the playoffs. And made the playoffs and won a playoff game, as he should. And gave the Chiefs trouble. That game in narrow hair was good.

[J. Mac]

Listen, I'm not out on Stroud. I just. Jalen hurts is better people. I'm sorry. I know. Cowherd loves Stroud. Jalen hurts. No doubt. Come on. Next up to the NBA. Hey, let's go back to the Celtics. Big Celtics day. You see Jaylen Brown getting the pilfer there? His name is strangely being floated in trade scenarios. Remember, I brought him up months ago hey, what about him for Giannis? But that was before the Tatum injury. Well, Shams is indicating Jaylen Brown could be the next big domino to fall. Significant interest in him around the league. Now a team like the Brooklyn Nets, they. No star is going to go there willingly. So they would gladly trade for Jaylen Brown, who's going to be making like $70 million a year in a few years. But the problem is, what can you get in return next year? Jaylen Brown's clocking 49mil, sixth highest paid player in the league. Colin, is he a top 10 player in the league?

[Lane Johnson]

No.

[J. Mac]

Now with all the injuries, you know, Halliburton's gone, Tatum's gone. Maybe he cracks the top 10, but he's a little bit pricey still. But if I'm a team like Brooklyn, I can't get somebody. The team that I would keep an eye on right now is the Miami Heat. I don't know if they can pull it off.

[Lane Johnson]

I think you're right. I think Miami and Jalen Bretless and they, they wanted KD and couldn't get him. Miami. Pat Riley's getting older. He's not going to sit around for a five year rebuild. Yeah, Spoelstra has got trophies. I mean, I think Miami's the play for Jaylen Brown and it's everything Pat Riley likes. Practice is hard, plays hard, defends smart. Like he's everything. You know, he's got that D. Wade quality, play hard, get on the floor, smart guy. I mean, Jaylen Brown feels like a Miami Heat player.

[J. Mac]

So Brown and Bay Matabayo, that's formidable in the east next year.

[Lane Johnson]

I would absolutely.

[J. Mac]

I don't know if you put them one, but they're right there with Orlando, Cleveland, New York.

[Lane Johnson]

Yep.

[J. Mac]

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[Lane Johnson]

You know, when we talk about the.

[Guest (Lane Johnson)]

Rockets in the past couple years, young were young and I think this mix is going to be perfect. You know, he's, he's a veteran, he's still hungry, still a great player and I can't wait.

[Lane Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, I think, I think everybody's opinion on that is pretty centered on. This is an elite team in the.

[Jason McIntyre]

West and I totally agree.

[J. Mac]

Now there's an interesting stat our guys dug up here. Did you realize Kevin Durant is the only player in NBA history to average over 25 points a game on four teams? I mean that's kind of crazy when you think about it. That Kevin Durant, a top 15 player all time, is about to be on his fifth NBA team. Like let that sink in. A lot of the Pillars, the greats, Magic, Larry, Michael Jordan. Jordan played on two. A lot of them were on one team. Kd. Five different teams once he joins the Rockets.

[Lane Johnson]

Well, we as sports fans, we like the Jeter route more than the LeBron and Katie.

[J. Mac]

Well, not all of us.

[Lane Johnson]

Well, I mean I just, I think there's a lot of fans that like what Jeter did or a Kobe fans like you to Steph Curry, that it's easier to follow. We don't want our guys bouncing around. I don't hold that against him. I think he grew up in the mobility era. I hated him leaving Golden State. But I would say, I've said this before and I'll say it again. The NBA had an all time one on one tournament. Don't put centers in. That's unfair. Yeah, you can be a forward or down. I would take Durant over everybody, including LeBron and Jordan. Jordan couldn't stop him. He's too tall. He would get a hot take. No, he would get easier shots than Michael. Michael. Michael would score on him. But he's got four inches. You're not going to stop him. He's a better shooter than Michael. He can handle the ball. Michael's the best. I mean again, maybe I'm crazy. I think Kevin Durant is virtually. I always said Dirk Nowitzki is great. Kevin Durant is like Dirk Nowitzki.

[J. Mac]

Plus so that's an interesting take. So in prime, Kevin Durant in a one on one could beat any player in NBA history that's not a center. And I, I don't know if I disagree with that.

[Lane Johnson]

LeBron's outside jumper in a one on one, he'd have to bully you to score. And again, Durant's longer could give him problems down low. LeBron's Michael Jordan's Mid range. Okay, but Kevin has got so much reach on him, he'd have an advantage.

[J. Mac]

What about Curry?

[Lane Johnson]

No, he's dependent on an outside shot. He's not going to be able to. You can bully him. I know it's my, I know it's my craziest take. And I think MJ would finish second. MJ would finish second all time, all the players ever. It'd be Michael and Durant would work their way to the final and I think Durant would beat him.

[J. Mac]

That's a hot take. I'm a little stunned. I'm a little shaken right now. Just rattled. I'm like, wow, that's not terrible. And I can't think of someone like Larry Bird, Anthony Edwards, Penny Hardaway, like Grant Hill. Grant Hill's tough. I don't know if he had the jumper. KD does. That's a good take. Coward. Rare job. Rare good job by you there.

[Lane Johnson]

Tim J. Mac with the News well.

[Colin Cowherd]

That'S the news and thanks for stopping.

[Lane Johnson]

By the Herd LIE News. Little deep dive on the draft. Four or five guys you may not have watched Aaron Torres did. Next, be sure to catch live editions.

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[Lane Johnson]

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[Lane Johnson]

All right. A guy that watches as much college basketball as anybody I know. And J. Mac. J. Mac is the college basketball aficionado on this show. And Aaron Torres, Fox Sports Radio. He has the Aaron Torres Sports Podcast is joining us. I'll start with. I'm going to ask you about four or five guys.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sure.

[Lane Johnson]

So Ace Bailey and I said this. If you go look at top picks that don't make NBA does a pretty good job of Identifying. I mean, with sometimes just 18, 19 year old kids in the NFL, it's easier. I get four or five years of tape. You're a more mature player. You get an 18 year olds from Yugoslavia, you don't know. I mean you really don't. Or the former, you know, Yugoslavia. So you don't, you just don't know. And so my take is when I watch Ace Bailey, I'm like, okay, you're great, but Rutgers couldn't make the tournament. You wouldn't work out for anybody. I mean like not a lot of self awareness last night. You watched him, you know him. Are there red flags? What do you make of him as a player and as a prospect? Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

First of all, I appreciate you having me. I don't know if this is the last show you're doing before you ship out to Portland or whatever, but I hope you had a good night last night at your draft party there, Colin. So Ace Bailey, listen, the whole situation is weird. I'll be totally honest. You know, I didn't love the whole I'm only going to work out for certain things. Now I think I understand the concept of he's a high volume guy. You don't want to go to the wrong team, sit on the bench, not set yourself up to get the second contract. But I also think that like once that happens, I don't blame the Jazz for drafting a guy totally based on upside, that if it hits like it isn't an insane possibility, like it isn't a completely unrealistic possibility that he ends up the best player in the draft. And so, you know, the Jazz are one of these teams. I don't think the rebuild has been quite as long as we think it is, but it feels like it's been like four or five years they've been waiting to get in position to get that guy. And if you have the opportunity to get the potentially first, second best player in this draft at number six where they were drafting, you just have to take advantage. So I didn't love Ace Bailey's approach to this. I would have personally advised him to handle it differently. But once he's there and you're the Utah Jazz and you just cannot get into that top spot or two, I don't blame them for taking the upside pick.

[Lane Johnson]

Okay, his teammate Dylan Harper and Carter Bryant go to the Spurs. I said I'm not going to pretend I know. But it does feel like they're going to be part of their core four with Wemby being obviously the centerpiece. Give me A little on Dylan Harper and a little on Carter Bryant.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I love the draft. And, you know, I put out a tweet at some point last night that this feels like if it hits, where OKC was four years ago is you've got all these picks. And, and again, I, I also give the spurs credit. They might not be drafting, frankly, in the lottery for. For literally like a decade. If this goes well, they won't be drafting this high for a long time. So don't get cute. Don't take. Just take the best player available and hope that he absolutely hits in Dylan Harper. And I think there's an argument that he was the best player. Again, you could argue somebody else. Ace Bailey, whatever. The guy that I am excited about, Colin, I'm so fired up that you feel the same way. Carter Bryant. To me, if Carter Bryant hits, I think he's going to be a true star. And I know everybody wants to look at the stats at Arizona. I'll give a little background. You know, I love Tommy Lloyd. I love this staff. I hope this doesn't come off as a criticism, but they are a program. You know, Tommy Lloyd's a Mark Few guy. Mark Few relies on his veterans, trusts his veterans. Tommy Lloyd comes from that tree. And I think Tommy Lloyd, I think, planned on easing Carter Bryant in, and all of a sudden it's like, oh, my God, this guy's way better than we realized.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

And.

[Colin Cowherd]

And now all of a sudden you're kind of, you know, stuck in this spot of he's playing better than you were anticipating. The point I'm trying to make, don't look at the stats. The analogy that I have made on Carter Bryant, I truly believe I've said this a million times. For people who have listened to me, I was at UConn at the same time as Rudy Gay. Carter Bryant reminds me so much of Rudy Gay at the same age. And I know some people say, oh, Rudy Gay, what is that? Rudy Gay played in the NBA for 18 years. Rudy Gay retired last year at 13. 38 years old. Like, don't let LeBron fool you. If you are playing until you're 38 years old, it means you had a very good NBA career. And I think if it hits, Carter Bryant is one of the two, three, four best players in this draft. So I love the Dylan Harper pick, but I really love the Carter Brian pick as well.

[Lane Johnson]

Yeah, I've been saying for two weeks, when you turned Arizona on certain college players, you're like, oh, okay, wow, who's that guy? The Other kid, the Baylor kid, V.J. edgecombe. Okay. We all watch Baylor. Top program, that kid. Now, stylistically, he's not Westbrook, but burst speed, jet fuel. Wow. He jumped off the TV when I watched him. Your thoughts?

[Colin Cowherd]

A thousand percent. First of all, I'll say this about Carter. Going back to Carter Bryant. For half a second, I was in the same boat as you. I had seen him in high school. You turn on that first, second Arizona game, you're like, oh my goodness, this guy is better than we expected. But in terms of Edgecomb is concerned. So I'm with you, Colin. And I'll say this is that, you know, myself, a lot of people were kind of critical of the draft coverage last night. I thought they actually did a good job of explaining kind of this weird situation that Philadelphia is in where it's like, if Embiid is healthy, you're sort of a contender, especially with where the east is going to be next year. But also you're sort of in a rebuild because Embiid is never healthy. So what do you do? And I think Edgecombe is exactly what you just said is he's an elite, A plus plus athlete that is learning the game of basketball in real time. And I think in a worst case scenario, you have a guy that shows up to work every day, competes, plays hard, elite defender, and then it just comes down to can he consistently get that offense. And I think with him, and I think you kind of mentioned this off the top, sometimes it's just so tough. I mean, this is an 18 year old kid going into a Baylor program that has always had success, but also with a couple, you know, high ups or not high upside, but really kind of veteran transfer type guys. And you know, he kind of didn't know, not in a negative way, but didn't really know where he fed, how, you know, how far could he push things. And so I think he could be just, just, I think in the worst case scenario, you're getting an elite defensive player, elite athlete, guy that shows up every day and if the offense clicks, I know I've said it about four different guys in this draft, but again, he's another one that in theory could be one of the two or three best players in the draft.

[Lane Johnson]

Okay, a guy that's already an NBA shooter is Trey Johnson, who went to Washington. Now, not a lot of college guys are elite shooters, but can this guy walk into the NBA and walk in and average double figures and be like a, like a, like a number two or three scoring option for a team.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I was talking to your Texas insider, Greg Tuohy before I came on here. And Tuohy loved watching him as a Longhorn. I loved watching him. Let me, let me just keep it very simple. When you are breaking some of Kevin Durant's freshman scoring record to Texas, like you can put the ball in the basket, right? And all I would say is, is that, you know, anybody who isn't sold or doesn't know enough about him. He played a game at Budwall and Arena against Arkansas where he did literally break Kevin Durant's single game scoring record of. He had 42. Durant had 40 when he played at Texas. And he just showed every shot, every this, every that. And the thing I'll give him credit for too, a little bit like Edgecombe, but not really is, you know, he was, he was playing on, frankly, not a very good team. I know Texas made the tournament, but they had this weird resume. SEC gets a million teams in and he showed up every day ready to play. And I thought, you know, they're on a big losing streak. It's easy as a freshman, you know, you're going pro, take the night off. He showed up every single day ready to compete. You know, I'll be honest, I don't know that he does much other than score. But listen, every team, every team in the NBA needs a dude that can put the ball in the basket. And Trey Johnson certainly provides that.

[Lane Johnson]

Finally, Cooper Flag, is there anything about his game that you. Does he have a trade or something he has to work on?

[Colin Cowherd]

That's a great question. I actually don't think so. As crazy as that. Now listen, everybody's got to work on everything. The thing I caution with Cooper Flag is I think when we think of these high upside freshmen that have been talked about for years, we just assume it's a dude that's going to come in and score, you know, 30 points a night or his ceiling is a 30.9 score. That's not really who he is. He's, he's a great facilitator, you know, 6 foot 8, 6 foot 9. He averaged however many assists he did at Duke. He is a great wing defender. I love that. I was saying that right as the wing defense shows up on film and I look like a genius. But no, he's a great wing defender. He's a great help side defender. He's just a complete player. And I think until you watch him game after game, you don't fully appreciate that. I think the assumption is you turn it on, you Want to see him score 30? He can do that, but that is not where he's at his best. He's at his best playing both ends of the floor, competing, defending on the wing, help side defense. I just think he's going to be an absolute star. I think the cool thing is maybe he's not a guy that can get 30 points a game, but with that specific team, he doesn't have to.

[Lane Johnson]

Yeah, the. I like the fact there were so many domestic players and I think the NIL is helping American universities poach some of the great European players. The Bulls got a guy that I'm, you know, he's so raw. You can't really tell is. I mean, there's always. There's always a guy or two that. And we got about a minute left. Is there a player you're worried about? There's always going to be guys that don't work. I mean, are some of these young guys. I mean, I was just reading all the draft perspective stuff last night and this morning. Any. Anybody that you worry about.

[Colin Cowherd]

First of all, I'll just say this really quick. I love the take that you've had about NIL helping both college basketball and the NBA. I think there were about four or five guys that could have heard their names late first round that all decided to go back to college, get ready for next year, and next year's class is loaded. As far as guys that, that I do worry a little bit about. Listen, I heard, you know, Billis all, you know, fired up about Colin Murray Boyles at number nine there to Toronto. One certainly didn't seem like he was excited to go to Toronto. I'll. I'll let everybody do the lip reading on, on the, on the draft video. Two is he's like an undersized four, not crazy athletic. I don't. It's one of those where everybody else is so excited about him. You feel like you being me feel like you're supposed to be excited about him. I don't know that I'm there yet. He's the one guy I just didn't really get in the top 10. But again, maybe. Maybe I'm just missing out on it. And everybody else has the right take on him.

[Lane Johnson]

Oh, by the way, 30 seconds. The Walter Clayton kid. I don't love him as much as everybody else. The kid that went to Florida. Yeah. The guard. Yeah. I think. I don't know. I just. I think he's. Is he. Is he your fifth best starter? I know everybody loves. I love his story. A minute Left. How good is he going to be now?

[Colin Cowherd]

Great question. And listen, I love college hoops. I'm as guilty as anybody have fallen in love with guys that that have an awesome tournament. Listen, maybe it is one of those story is better than the actual reality of it. We're talking about a kid who started his career at Iona with Rick Patino. Rick patino goes to St. John's Todd golden convinces him to go to Florida. I think he's a dude that can get buckets. Now again, you see a guy dominate an NCAA tournament, you assume he's going to be a top five pick and that translates to the NBA as a 6263 guy that isn't really a ball handler. You know, I think he's more of an off the bench scorer. But the Wizards just need like NBA caliber players and I think they got one in Walter Clay.

[Lane Johnson]

Yeah, that's to me, he's like your fifth best starter. First guy off the bench gets a bucket. There's huge value in the league. But he's not a star. I just love his story. Aaron Torres. Gotta go. It's great seeing you, buddy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Thank you for having me. Colin. Enjoy Portland, okay?

[Lane Johnson]

Yeah, thank you very much. I will. I'll be coming off the bench as well. Clearly now I'm in Memphis, you know, they didn't love me that much. All right, J. Mac, how about that? That's a deep dive on college hoops, baby. How about that? I know J. Mac loves it. I know he does. See you tomorrow.

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