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Alexi Lalas
Listening to Fox Sports Radio. One of my favorite people, Alexi Lawless, Fox Sports Soccer analyst. He's a Hall of Famer and he is joining us. So there is a randomness sometimes to hockey and soccer where you can outplay A team and you find yourself trailing. What I, what I tend to look at is possession percentage. Shots on goal tells me the story. So when it goes in to, you know, anytime it goes into like a penalty kicks or shootouts, I thought we, we had control of possession. I thought we had over twice as many kicks. Forget Matt Freeze for a second. I thought they played well yesterday. What was your interpretation before we went into penalty kicks?
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I didn't think it was a great performance, but to your point, I thought that the United States was, you know, the better team on the day when you look at some of those statistics. But as we know, it can be misleading, especially when it comes to soccer, where you don't even have to have the ball. The entire game can still find a way to win and especially when it comes to penalties if you are an inferior team, which this particular version of Costa Rica was. And I think they recognized it. They said, listen, we'll take our chances when it comes to penalties, although credit to them for fighting back individual mistakes and momentary lapses. But overall, the US was, for lack of a better phrase, the better team. But the better team doesn't always win, especially when it comes to soccer and especially when you have this kind of great equalizer of penalties that's looming large. And in this case, it went right to penalties as opposed to going to the extra 30 minutes that oftentimes traditionally has happened. So it changes the dynamic and the mindset of the players in the moment. If you're the best team, there's an urgency to get it done in the 90 minutes. And if you're not the best team, it's only 90 minutes that you have to withstand and bend but don't break.
Alexi Lalas
So outside of Burhalter's Ms. Good Mrs. Makes, I think this is something again, people in soccer sometimes poo poo penalty kicks. And my take is it's about execution. And the two things to me in soccer that win World Cups is offensive execution and making sure you don't give up cheap goals. You're going to advance out of the group stage. You don't have to be perfect at midfield. You don't have to be always great on the back end. You can't give up cheap goals. And do you execute on your set plays on your corner kicks. So I'm. My takeaway is the, the PK Beyond Freeze I thought was impressive. I thought it really was your takeaway on Freeze and Beyond.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So, you know, penalties are interesting and I'll give you my spiel that I Always do in that it's not random, it's not luck, it's not a coin flip. You know, it's not a situation where, oh, just anything happens. It is a skill. It is a practice skill. It is a necessary skill. And whether it's the goalkeeper and what he or she is doing and the research that goes into that moment, or whether it's the actually penalty kicker, and keep in mind that, you know, you can look at it and people that have watched the game know, and even if you haven't watched the game, we've only seen it a couple of times, it is incredibly weighted towards the kicker. 79% of the kicks actually go in historically. And so for a goalkeeper, you save one, you're. That's, you know, now we're. Now we're. Now we got something we can work with. You say save two and oh, my goodness, we're. We're in rarefied air here. And save three or more. It's just. It doesn't happen in. In penalty kicks. So there's a lot that's going on up here relative to penalty kicks. But when you win, it's great. And when you don't, it's the worst thing in the world and it should be abolished.
Alexi Lalas
So I, I gotta ask you, as a. As a Hall of Famer and a defender, you have a link. There's a certain connectivity for the guy right behind you, Alexi, is what we saw from Matt Free. It was jaw dropping. I'm telling my wife. I'm like, we not only made three stops, he touched the two others. This doesn't happen ever. You tell me, is it instincts? Is there homework you can do? Do people have tells? Like, how do you explain what Freese did? I've never seen three saves hand on two others. Never guess. Draw. I've never seen that. Explain it if you can.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So for people that might be, you know, just tuning in, Matt Fries was the goalkeeper. He's been the goalkeeper through this Goal Cup. And, yeah, we're 346 days away from the World cup next summer. We don't know who was ultimately going to be that starting goalkeeper in that there is a competition. So for Matt Fries, this was a huge day and a huge moment. He talked about the research that goes in. And, yeah, you have, you know, video, and you're watching. You have tendencies and you see statistically what players have done, and sometimes they even write it out for the goalkeepers. But there is also a feel that goalkeepers have, and there's tells where the where the foot placement is, where the eyes are, all of these different, the approach to the ball, all of those different things go into the calculator. And in this case it's a calculator for a guy who, who went to Harvard. And, you know, it spits out, I am going to stand still or I'm going to move here, or I'm going to fake moving here. And all of those different things come in, come into play. And, and keep in mind that the, the taker of the penalty kick is also thinking those things and doing a calculation himself.
Alexi Lalas
Yeah. So Mauricio, new coach Puccino comes out and makes three changes before the match. Two of them scored his tottenham. His rep has always been. He likes young players, he likes to develop them. That's kind of his strength. And I think one of the reasons he was hired was we're young and our. And our good players need to be very good and our very good players need to be great to win a World Cup. So. Talk about soup to nuts. What you've seen so far in the Gold cup that you're encouraged by from our new guy.
Colin Cowherd
All right, so when it comes to Mauricio Pochettino, he's being paid a tremendous amount of money, $6 million a year, rumored to get this team to do things that we haven't done before. You know, we've had success in World Cups, but it's all relative to getting out of the group and doing all those things. We've done those things before, to your point. And, you know, came on air talking about the talent that, that, that we have as a generation right now and maximizing that. That talent. I think what we've seen through this Goal cup is a Mauricio Pochettino who has had to deal with, you know, the Pulisic situation at the beginning and some of the drama off the field. I think he got through that and I think he kind of established himself as a new sheriff in town. I think at times he bit his tongue for some of the craziness or ridiculousness that he saw relative to whether it's ballistic or others and that attitude. But I also think what you've seen is a coalescence of this new group. And, you know, keep in mind that the win last night, which a lot of people watched and a lot of people that kind of came into the tent on a Sunday night on Big Fox and it was wonderful. I was getting texts from all sorts of people that I know don't normally follow soccer. So it was a wonderful feel. Good Feeling a feel good moment. But this team was together through this tournament and they had a week of training in between the games. And I think for Pochettino, that was really good in terms of this is how we're going to play. And again, this group coming together and still a relatively short period of time, and you can see that this particular group that doesn't have your Western McKinneys and your Christian Pulisics and a bunch of other players that we have talked about consistently, and it doesn't mean that they're not going to be integrated, but for them to have this moment, I think it was really, really important. And for Misha Pochettino to do it without those guys, I think it was important message to send. And the work's not over. So we shouldn't, you know, break our arm patting ourselves on the back for beating a depleted Costa Rica in a quarterfinal of a goal cup that's been done many, many times before. But you know what? You sing while you're winning. And if you can't find some joy in that moment, you know, then I don't think you're a sports person. And as you know, as a sports person, sports are not for being rational. Sports are for being irrational to a certain extent. So like I said, sing, dance, celebrate that. Which they did. And you can see the pictures here. And then you got the semifinal here coming on Wednesday. And if I had told this US Team, you get a semifinal game against Guatemala to go to the final, the Gold cup, you would say sign me up right now.
Alexi Lalas
Is there Tyler Adams feels like to me will make the World Cup. Matt Fries, you can argue he just won. I mean, this is the last tournament before the World Cup. That's pretty impressive. That was his moment. So Freeze, Tyler Adams, anybody else from this group, because we acknowledge, and this is true for many countries, this was sort of our B team, our developers. Besides Tyler Adams and Freese, anybody else you see making the World cup roster?
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, so I think Tyler Adams was always going to be a starter. I mean, he's not untouchable, but given his experience and given his quality. So he's kind of the outlier here. But if you look at players that helped their stock and dramatically, yes, Matt Freeze, because there is a goalkeeper competition right now and Matt Freeze got the start during this Gold cup, not because Matt Turner is the number one, and Mauricio Pochettino went to him and said, listen, I know who you are and you're my starter. And if this, if this is the World cup, you'd be starting. No, because he recognizes that Matt Turner has not been playing and has not been playing well when he has played, which is very, very limited. And so there is a competition. So definitely, like you said, I think Matt Fries has put himself into the, the conversation. Diego Luna, I really think, and I, you know, I was, I posted this morning that Diego Luna, I think, had a really good game yesterday. And yes, there's the grit in the fight and you know that just you, you want to like this guy and he makes you like him. But I also think that when it comes to possession of the ball, creating things in the attacking third, beating multiple players under pressure in traffic, I don't think that there's anybody better other than Christian Pulisic. Now, that's not a great thing to say, but maybe it, maybe it is in that how, how established he has already become. So I think he's really helped his cause. And then Malik Thoman, I think right now, if the World cup started today, given what he's done in this tournament, has really made a case for being that attacking midfielder, if you, if you will. Chris Richards, I think, is going to be a starter. But there's still a lot of questions. Even with this wonderful win, there's still a lot of questions when it comes to this. U.S. men's National Team, like we said, less than a year away from 2026.
Alexi Lalas
Okay, okay. And finally on this, if, because we know we have arguably six of our top seven players will be on the World cup roster that weren't here taking that, because I, I tend to believe, even though this is 11 months out from the World Cup, I do think performing well. Inertia, man. I don't care if you're a political party or a team, winning changes the way you think. The inertia, the movement. So I do think winning this or at least getting to the finals does matter. Judging by what you've seen over the last four matches, three matches, and then in your mind, taking our better players, inserting them into what you've seen, do we have a philosophy, a brand or a style right now that you can cling to that? You could say, yeah, this is how Mauricio, this is how he sees the world. Tell me what we are today with six or seven other elite players coming.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So the integration of the reintegration of some of those players that you have is only going to make this team better. But I think it's been wonderful to see the success and that's why, yeah, I want them to win just you know, because I bleed American and I want to see that. But more importantly, it's almost a wonderful message to send and an important message to send to the guys that aren't here, that, you know what, while, while you're important, you're not, you're not a savior and that, and we can win games and we can do things without you, because I think it's going to motivate them to come in and say, you know what? My, my, you know what stinks just like everybody else is, I'm gonna have to work. And some of the spirit and some of the fight, you know, and all these words that we use that was on display here in the Gold cup again the last time, like you said, from a competitive standpoint that we are going to see this team and certainly in a competitive tournament, I think that that's going to be incredibly valuable going forward. And again, I'm not saying that any of those guys aren't going to be import important parts going forward, but they, if they come back in to a team that is kind of, like I said, coalesced. And this style, if you will, look, it's not going to be put in a time capsule for the best stuff soccer ever played. But again, that's subjective as to what good soccer is. But to your point, America doesn't give a crap how this U.S. team plays. They care that they win and that they are doing it in a kind of raw, strangely ugly, but beautiful way that I think that resonates with people. But ultimately it's about winning. Whether it's the Girl cup, whether it's end of the games leading up, and then more importantly next summer doing things we haven't seen before and winning. Nobody's going to stand on principle in terms of, quote, beautiful soccer if this team finds a way to do great things, come next summer in the World cup.
Alexi Lalas
Very exciting. Wednesday FS1 coverage starts at 6 Eastern. Will be favored over Guatemala. As always, my friend, Alexi, you're great. Thanks, man.
Colin Cowherd
You're the best. Thanks.
Alexi Lalas
Yeah, it was exciting.
Joy Taylor
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Alexi Lalas
I was J. Mac. I was sitting there as I'm watching it, and I'm just thinking, I mean, there's obviously the 18th hole, like at the Masters, you know, down the stretch of the masters with Roy McElroy. Like, there's just certain things that are endemic to our sports culture that we know are great. Like, I, I think in NFL, overtime is not sudden death. I, I, so it's like it can be a little haphazard or random. I don't think there's in a, in a big match when you go to, when you go to the shootout, I don't think there's anything like it. Hockey's got it a little bit of power play. When you got two minutes in the power play, you know you're a man up. You trail late in a Stanley cup final. Like, you're like, okay, we got two minutes here to score. We got to score. March Madness obviously has it tie game late, but that is about as good as sports gets.
J. Mac
Yeah, I would say college football overtime and penalty kicks for me are the best because it's equal. You get a chance, you get a chance, the defense has a chance to stop you. I like that fairness in Sports. And so PK's is right there for college football overtime with me.
Alexi Lalas
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J. Mac
All right Colin, let's start with your Detroit Lions. I think I can call them your right? Obviously. Big, big holes to fill. Losing Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn as coordinators, they moved on to be head coaches. But defensively is what we're talking about. Remember Aiden Hutchinson went down last season and they still finished 15 and two despite losing to Washington at home in the playoffs. Safety Brian Branch believes they're going through the ups and downs last season has been. Has the team feeling invincible heading into this season. Now I'll let you take that one away. This idea that their defense was good last year, hey, we still went 15 to 2. Like that's just not reality. The defense.
Alexi Lalas
Well, I think they're showings. Yeah, I think they have two really high end defensive players branches. One, Aiden Hutchison is the other. I mean if you start on a sliding scale, there's a lot of average and has been for years in the secondary and it's also a division where you've got a lot of smart offensive coaches. So the downside to being bad defensively in that division is Matt LaFleur, Kevin O' Connell, Ben Johnson, lot of clever play callers. A lot of guys that can be burn you when you're not good on the back end. So. And some divisions, historically we look at the AFC north and we think defense, the NFC north now is an offensive coach division. So I'm with you. I think they pull back. I also think you can't lose the best offensive coordinator in football. Hire somebody in house and think you're going to get the same level. Even if they're successful. Ben is sort of a one of one, kind of a young McVeigh feel. So I just don't think they're going to be quite as dynamic offensive offensively and they'll still be good, not special defensively.
J. Mac
Yeah, I would challenge someone to find a schedule with tougher opposing quarterbacks. Colin. The first six weeks they got to face Lamar Burrow and Mahomes, three of the top four quarterbacks in the NFL. They also have to go to Philadelphia. Obviously they've got to go to Jaden Daniels. Colin, this schedule is. I mean they got to go to the Rams. That's a big game on Fox. I, I don't, I don't. I just don't see it.
Alexi Lalas
I think, I think, I think you'd have to be happy. I'd take Mitt again. There's not that many bad schedules. Yeah, that, that I look at it, they're a 10 to 11 win team. But the days of 12 and 13, I think they had a window and I think the NFC for the last two years was weaker. I don't think it is. I think the Rams are up to Speed Jaden Daniels is magical. Baker Mayfield has solidified himself as a franchise gu. I, I think the days of those layups in the nfc, the bottom half are over, over.
Joy Taylor
Yeah.
J. Mac
Let's move to Travis Hunter who is hoping to be a two way player this year, believing he can star at wide receiver and corner. But doubt still remains whether he can be successful. Well, Willie Colon gave his opinion on Breakfast Ball Friday.
Matt Hasselbeck
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Alexi Lalas
Yeah, I, I, there's, there are certain things you can do in college, you know, that don't work in the NFL. But I would say like Ohtani, you were like, okay, maybe you could do that in double a baseball pitch and hit. And yet there are these unique once in a lifetime athletes that can go to the highest level of sports and do things you'd never imagine. And maybe he's that guy. He was the number one high school player in the country. So it's not like he's a bloomer. Like he was unbelievable at 16, 18, 21. Why won't he be unbelievable at 23 and 24 in the NFL? I think he may be and I do think over the course of time athletes get better. In 10 years, if I told you the NFL had six two way players, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean if you had six guys.
J. Mac
Wait a minute, define two way like how many corner, like what if you do five plays, are you a two way player?
Alexi Lalas
No. If you play 30 minimum on both sides, that's a lot. Now I do think what I said.
J. Mac
Before the draft, Colin, is he going to, is he going to go and try to tackle Jonathan Taylor in space 10 times and then go try to get open against a cold secondary and then the next week you're trying to tackle Derrick Henry and you know and then you're going out for running routes. I don't think that's feasible. I've never thought that was possible. Zion was returning punts. That's if Travis Hunter wants to do that, go for it. But like actually tackling people and then.
Alexi Lalas
Running routes, I, I don't think anybody wants to tackle Derrick Henry for the.
J. Mac
Record, but certainly not.
Alexi Lalas
Final story.
J. Mac
Colin is big news for the show. Congratulations, Colin. You have been named to the 2025 class of the Radio hall of Fame. You're the lone sports representative as part of this year's 10 person class. And it's kind of cool. Excited, huh? How are you celebrating?
Alexi Lalas
Well, you should agree with me more. Now that I'm a Hall of Famer, I should just get a lot of agreement. All I ever wanted to do as a kid, when I was seven years old, my mom bought me a transistor radio and that's all I ever wanted to do, was radio. I grew up in a small town. There wasn't cable television. Radio is what I always wanted to do. So sometimes things in your life line up. Also, thank you to all the people. This morning at about I woke up and there was a lot of probably about 20, 30 texts and it's increased. I'll get to all of them. Thank you. People are very kind. But yeah, I was one of the lucky ones that this is what I wanted to do for a living. And it just happened to line up and I got to do what I wanted to do.
J. Mac
It's. Listen, it's really not a surprise that you get elected to the hall of Fame after working with me for a couple years.
Alexi Lalas
That's a good point.
J. Mac
Yeah. I mean, it took a while.
Alexi Lalas
It's all worked.
J. Mac
Now we're seeing the best cowherd there is. We're seeing him really hit his prime as a radio star.
Alexi Lalas
No, we've been been a good life. Incredibly grateful for it. All right, Lexi Lawless and Matt Hasselbeck both delivered today. And thanks for stopping by the Herd on a Monday. Thanks, guys. Next, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1.
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Alexi Lalas
Oh J Mac, this is interesting. So for years and years I was told that Aaron Rodgers and Devonte Adam very tight. And then when Devonte Adams left to go to the Raiders, we found out that he and Aaron weren't nearly that tight. So. But David Bakhtiari, that's his number one friend. Interesting. Anybody see the old X accounts this morning? According to X, David Bakhtiari goes to X and says basically, love is love. Congrats to the loves Jordan Love got married. Just happy. At least one of my quarterbacks invited me to their wedding. Eyes emoji. Knowing that Bakhtiari knows Aaron has a little bit of a tenuous record of friendship ghosting. I don't know. This goes back to A lot of people have fake friends. A lot of people tell you they have a lot of friends. Devonte Adams and Aaron so close. Not really. Now David Bach diary takes a little shot at him.
J. Mac
Did you see that? Aaron Rodgers is sick of people asking about who his wife is and what are the details? He's like, no, she wants to stay out of the public eye. Like, sorry, bro, it doesn't work. Like, sorry, you are a famous guy. They're going to be asking you a lot of questions. And Rogers is already ticked off at the media for probing into it. Wait till TMZ or whoever uncovers the wife. Man, if you. What do they call it when you were married for a while and then you renew your vows or whatever. Like if you did that and didn't invite me, I would probably take it personally and vent on social media. Oh geez. QB1 didn't even invite me to renew.
Alexi Lalas
The Everybody is saying it's just a joke. So maybe it is. What do I know? Maybe it's just lamp. Maybe they're trying to pull those of us who are viewed as negative. Aaron guys are trying to pull us in. I don't know. I saw it. And the staff is like, he's joking. And I'm like, that's kind of personal for a joke. Especially with Aaron's reputation.
J. Mac
You look at his account, it doesn't. It doesn't really Jive with. That's a joke. It just comes out of, like, nowhere.
Alexi Lalas
You know, all jokes just have just enough truth in them. Ever notice that, like, at the Oscars when Ricky Gervais goes up there and makes jokes about certain people? Yeah, there's just enough truth in the joke. So this may be just what they call, like, phishing. They're trying to get people to overreact.
J. Mac
Engagement farming.
Alexi Lalas
Well, no, I can just see Aaron telling, hey, do that. So all the haters and the media attack me and so I can turn and make fun of them. I could see Aaron doing that as well, even though he doesn't listen to any of us or read any of us, of course. But it is. Do you think it's a joke or not?
J. Mac
I think something's up. Yes. Legit.
Alexi Lalas
All right.
J. Mac
He probably feels annoyed. How do you not invite me? I thought we were boys.
Alexi Lalas
But, I mean, they're. They're. They're the closest of allies. They are the closest of allies. Maybe they're so close, they're mocking all of us. Maybe that's it. It's certainly possible. So I saw this Cooper flag, you know, Mount Rushmore, the term for the four best ever at a sport or a position or whatever. So a Cooper flag, the number one pick of the Dallas Mavericks, rising domestic basketball star, got into the Mount Rushmore topic.
Colin Cowherd
My Mount Rushmore NBA players, I would say Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, LeBron and probably Kobe. And then WNBA Candace Parker, Brittney Griner. I think Asia Wilson is on there. And then I might put Caitlin Clark on there just because she's changed the game so much and is heading in the right direction. And I just love what she's known to do.
Alexi Lalas
Yeah, Yeah. I think I would put Caitlin Clark actually.
Joy Taylor
Number one.
Alexi Lalas
She is not just helping revenue. Caitlin Clark is a stimulus package. So I saw something today. Cleveland, Detroit and Philadelphia, it's been announced, are going to get new franchises. Now, that had been discussed last year and the year before, but it's interesting how suddenly, when Caitlin Clark comes into the league, bona fide star, we have three new teams coming up. Why? Because it's much easier to get investors when you can see a path to profits. And before last year, there wasn't. It's hard to get investors when you have a history after 25 years of nobody really making a profit. When Steve Jobs came back to Apple, it's funny, but investors came pouring back into Apple.
Joy Taylor
Why?
Alexi Lalas
So I've said this. The people that are like, yeah, somebody must be into this. Caitlin Clark Story, folks, this is mj. This is Tiger merchandise, tickets, revenue. Like the NBA was not a global league. Magic and Bird made it more popular domestically. Michael made it global. Michael changed merchandising in America, actually, among young men. And that's what she's doing. She sold out her shoeline in 10 minutes. She not only sold out her shoe line, they brought in a random NBA player to be a teammate. Sophie Cunningham. She sold out her jersey in one day. She'd been in the league for seven years. Not much of a profile. So just by proxy, being close to her, being an ally of Caitlin Clark, you'll sell out your merchandise. That's different. I mean, that's like if you were Tiger woods caddy, you were the third most known person on the tour. Tiger, Phil Mickelson and Tiger's caddy. We can now go back and name Tigers caddies. Like, that's a whole different ball game. So good stuff. I. Yes. Earlier today, the Steelers traded for Jalen Ramsey, moved off Minka Fitzpatrick, and I've been on this for a couple years. Could you start spending money on offense? So Jalen Ramsey costs seven and a half million more dollars annually than Minka Fitzpatrick. And he's a very loose player. He's talented, but he's as good as his environment. When he had the structure of The Rams and McVeigh was very good, though, they moved off him, kind of doing his own thing, kind of an independent corner. But when you put him in Jacksonville and you put him in Miami, structurally, culturally much looser organizations, it doesn't work as well. He's kind of doing his own thing. So Pittsburgh's reputation, James Harrison talked about this last week is it's, it's pro player. Mike Tomlin to a fault is pro player. So you know, Aaron Rodgers doing his own thing. DK Metcalf doing his own thing. Now Jalen Ramsey kind of doing his own thing. They move off Mika Fitzpatrick, which I could live with because I think he is a good safety, not great anymore, but very good. But he's a team leader. He's low maintenance. He can handle the pro player culture that Mike Tomlinson has created. And here's Hasselbeck on Ramsey to the Steelers.
Willie Colon
They do not care about the rest of the league. They don't care about what anybody else does. They say, hey, we're the Steelers. This is how we operate. So I don't think that's going to change, but I do think this. It looks like they're building a team to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. It's almost like they have confidence in what they have. Like what we have can take care of the Baltimore Ravens. Like, we're good, but like, man, I don't know how we're going to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. Like, I, I, I do believe that there's a fear there of like, personnel wise, we don't match up well.
Alexi Lalas
Well, Baltimore, for the record, has also upgraded their secondary. So I think Matt is right. I think if you're in that division against Joe Burrow, Chase and T. Higgins, you got to stop those guys. So I, I do think that's true. But it's interesting where Matt says, and he's probably right, like the Steelers don't care about the rest of the league. I never buy into that. Sean McVay is acutely aware of what everybody's doing. Like, I don't, I don't believe, like Coke doesn't worry about Pepsi. They keep their eye on Pepsi. Google's watching Apple. Everybody's watching Microsoft. Like, I don't buy that. Hey, our culture is so strong, we don't watch anybody. I think you watch what people do. I think you watch who people draft you. I mean, in any business, if there's cultural changes, legislative changes, rule changes, you have to adapt. How are other people responding to stuff? So, and I think he's probably right. The Steelers do their own thing. I've never been a fan of that. I think you have to watch, I mean, when I started my little company, I'm like watching other companies, what do they do, what works, what fails, what's a trap. See around the corner a little bit. Don't get trapped. I don't, I don't buy that. We don't watch what anybody else does. Nobody's culture is that strong. I mean, a prime example is Google. You know, we always thought like Google is the most powerful company in the world. Then AI came and like AI is going to replace needing Google now. Thank God Google bought YouTube and I think cloud and other businesses. That's why big, I mean Democrats sometimes struggle with this. Folks. There's a reason billionaires keep investing because nothing lasts forever. I thought Google search engine would last forever. That if you, if I would have guessed a company that, that'll last forever. No, it didn't. AI is going to replace to some degree the search engines. So what happens is you got to invest in other stuff. You have to always be growing. Amazon continues to grow. There will be and I, by the way you're seeing it now with the TikTok shop, everybody's on TikTok. Now you can order from TikTok. Who does that hurt? Oh, that hurts. Amazon. I want to get my sports Garrett fanatics. Who does that hurt? Amazon. Nobody dominates forever. So and so I think you always have to keep your eye on your competition. There's peaks, there's valleys. You hit highs. Stocks fluctuate, people in your company leave who are brilliant. So there you go. Fine line between having your own identity and being out of touch with your industry. Those are two different things. You got to be in line and know what other people are doing. And by the way, what the other people are doing in the NFL is spending on offense, not leading the league for the fourth straight year in defensive spending. And they haven't signed the T.J. watt contract yet. This will be the fourth year they lead the NFL in spending. We're not talking the T.J. watt contract. That one's around the corner. Trouble. All right, we flew through Monday. Alexi Lawless. Colin Right. Calling. Wrong. Matt Hasselbeck, J. Mack. We'll see you and everybody else tomorrow.
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Summary of "Hour 3 - The Mount Rushmore of Players" Episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Release Date: June 30, 2025
Hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
In the third hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, the discussion primarily centers around defining the "Mount Rushmore" of players across various sports, with a significant focus on soccer and the upcoming Gold Cup. The episode delves into team dynamics, player performances, and strategic insights, providing listeners with an in-depth analysis of current sports narratives.
The conversation kicks off around the [02:20] mark with Colin Cowherd and soccer analyst Alexi Lalas dissecting the recent Gold Cup match between the United States and Costa Rica. They examine the factors leading to the U.S. team's victory via penalty kicks, despite statistical indications favoring the U.S. during regular playtime.
Alexi Lalas highlights the unpredictability of soccer:
“There is a randomness sometimes to hockey and soccer where you can outplay a team and you find yourself trailing” ([02:23]).
Colin Cowherd acknowledges the U.S. team's superior performance on the day:
“The US was, for lack of a better phrase, the better team” ([03:10]).
They discuss the significance of possession percentage and shots on goal as metrics for assessing team performance. The episode underscores how penalties serve as a unique equalizer in soccer, often determining outcomes even when one team appears statistically dominant.
Alexi emphasizes the critical role of execution in key moments:
“It's about execution. And the two things to me in soccer that win World Cups is offensive execution and making sure you don't give up cheap goals” ([04:14]).
Colin expands on the skill involved in penalty kicks, disputing the notion that they are merely luck-based:
“Penalties are interesting and... it is a skill. It is a practice skill. It is a necessary skill” ([04:55]).
They commend Matt Free’s exceptional performance as a goalkeeper, noting his multiple saves and contributions to the team's success. Colin attributes Free's performance to both thorough preparation and innate skill:
“...there is a feel that goalkeepers have, and there's tells where the where the foot placement is, where the eyes are...” ([06:35]).
The discussion shifts to Mauricio Pochettino's influence as the new coach of the U.S. team. Colin praises Pochettino for establishing himself and fostering team cohesion despite challenges, such as player disputes and external pressures.
Alexi notes the potential impact of the coach's strategies on the team’s future, especially with upcoming World Cup preparations:
“If you can't find some joy in that moment, I don't think you're a sports person” ([09:32]).
The analysts identify standout players who have cemented their places for the upcoming World Cup roster. Tyler Adams and Matt Free emerge as pivotal figures, with Colin acknowledging their contributions and potential starting roles.
Colin Cowherd on Tyler Adams:
“He's not untouchable, but given his experience and given his quality. So he's kind of the outlier here” ([11:02]).
Alexi Lalas adds:
“Matt Free, Tyler Adams, anyone else from this group... I think we have a philosophy, a brand or a style right now...” ([13:36]).
They discuss Diego Luna and Malik Toman as emerging talents who have impressed during the Gold Cup, suggesting their inclusion in the World Cup squad. Christian Pulisic is also mentioned as a consistently high-performing player, significantly boosting his case for selection.
Colin elaborates on the team's current philosophy, emphasizing resilience and a raw approach to winning:
“America doesn't give a crap how this U.S. team plays. They care that they win” ([12:34]).
He underscores the importance of integrating new players without relying solely on star power, promoting a culture of collective effort:
“...the work's not over. So we shouldn't, you know, break our arm patting ourselves on the back...” ([13:36]).
Alexi reflects on the momentum gained from the Gold Cup victory, suggesting it will propel the team into a strong position for the World Cup:
“The inertia, the movement. So I do think winning this or at least getting to the finals does matter” ([12:34]).
Transitioning to NFL discussions, Colin and Alexi analyze the Detroit Lions' defensive strategies and overall team performance. They debate the effectiveness of the Lions' defense versus their historical offensive prowess, considering recent coaching changes and player departures.
J. Mac questions the Lions' defensive reliability:
“The idea that their defense was good last year, hey, we still went 15 to 2. Like that's just not reality.” ([21:26]).
Alexi Lalas responds by highlighting key defensive players and the impact of coaching:
“They have two really high-end defensive players... so defensively, if you're not good on the back end...” ([22:32]).
They also touch upon the complexities of maintaining defensive strength in a division with intelligent offensive coordinators, emphasizing the challenges the Lions face in sustaining their performance.
A notable portion of the episode discusses Travis Hunter's aspirations to become a two-way player in the NFL, playing both wide receiver and cornerback. Colin and Alexi debate the feasibility and potential impact of such a role.
Matt Hasselbeck expresses skepticism about the practicality:
“If you're pulling around that corner, I'm gonna test that... I promise you he won't [be a two-way player]” ([24:22]).
Alexi Lalas counters by highlighting Travis Hunter's exceptional high school performance and potential:
“I think he may be [a two-way player] and I do think over the course of time athletes get better” ([25:12]).
The conversation delves into the physical and strategic demands of playing dual positions, weighing the rarity and challenges of sustaining performance across both roles throughout an NFL season.
In the concluding segment, Colin and Alexi engage in a light-hearted yet insightful discussion about the "Mount Rushmore" of NBA and WNBA players, as well as rising stars influencing the sport’s landscape.
Colin Cowherd suggests NBA legends and current stars for his Mount Rushmore:
“Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, LeBron and probably Kobe” ([34:50]).
Alexi Lalas emphasizes contemporary impact with players like Caitlin Clark:
“She not only sold out her shoe line in 10 minutes... she sold out her jersey in one day” ([35:35]).
They explore how emerging talents are revitalizing leagues, attracting investments, and shaping the future of the sport. The discussion highlights Caitlin Clark’s significant influence, drawing parallels to Michael Jordan’s transformative role in globalizing and merchandising the NBA.
The episode wraps up with an exciting announcement: Colin Cowherd has been named to the 2025 class of the Radio Hall of Fame, becoming the lone sports representative in this year's ten-person class.
Colin Cowherd expresses gratitude:
“I was one of the lucky ones that this is what I wanted to do for a living” ([26:15]).
Alexi Lalas and J. Mac humorously congratulate him, acknowledging his prime as a radio star and his collaboration with the show.
The hosts conclude by teasing future discussions and encouraging listeners to tune in to live editions of The Herd.
Hour 3 - The Mount Rushmore of Players offers a comprehensive exploration of current sports topics, blending analytical insights with engaging discussions. From the strategic intricacies of soccer's penalty kicks to the evolving dynamics of NFL player roles, the episode provides listeners with a nuanced understanding of the sports landscape. The celebratory announcement of Colin Cowherd’s Hall of Fame induction adds a personal and triumphant note, solidifying the episode's blend of professional analysis and familiar camaraderie.
Notable Quotes:
"It's about execution. And the two things to me in soccer that win World Cups is offensive execution and making sure you don't give up cheap goals." — Alexi Lalas ([04:14]).
"The US was, for lack of a better phrase, the better team." — Colin Cowherd ([03:10]).
"Penalties are interesting and... it is a skill. It is a practice skill. It is a necessary skill." — Colin Cowherd ([04:55]).
"America doesn't give a crap how this U.S. team plays. They care that they win." — Colin Cowherd ([12:34]).
This detailed summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, player analyses, and significant moments, making it a valuable resource for those who did not listen to the original podcast.