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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Carrot here with pro tight end Dallas Goddard to share his journey with plaque psoriasis and how he tackles his symptoms with otesla. Aprimolast yeah, being a football player with plaque psoriasis can be challenging. My skin gets flaky and itchy, so my doctor told me about a pill, otla. It works from the inside out.
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Dallas Goddard
OT is a prescription medicine used to treat adult patients with plaque psoriasis for whom phototherapy or systemic therapy is appropriate. OT can help you get clearer skin. Just four months. Dallas is an OTESLA patient that has been compensated for his time. Don't use OTESLA if you're allergic to it. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms, severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, depression, suicidal thoughts or weight loss can happen. Tell your doctor if any of these occur and if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts.
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Colin Cowherd
Talking to my doctor about a pill was a total game changer. If you're struggling with plaque psoriasis, talk to your doctor about otezla. Visit otezla.com for more information or call 1-844-4-OTEZLA for pres. Info, info about cost and more. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on FOX Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Julian Edelman
Now, let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. Well, we're going to have him on about a week ago, and we're just happy to say Julian Edelman and his family is safe and his house is safe. You were in the crosshairs of that thing. I was. For two days. I was basically watching the neighborhood you were in because I've got several friends there and there was a lot of finger crossing and texting. But anxious time for you and your fam.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, definitely a little anxious. You, first off, you got to thank the people that are out there battling it, the first responders.
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Colin Cowherd
Amazing.
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Julian Edelman
The firefighters, the National Guard, and the police. Police for helping with these looters. I mean, this is like a movie. It is like a movie. When last week when it was Wednesday and the Sunset fire came and we're dealing with the Palisades fire. I mean, it's. It. I, I'm so lucky that nothing has happened to my house and, and my family. But there's so many people in this community that can't say that. And it's been really, you know, I was in Boston during the bombings of, you know, that marathon bombing, and you saw the tight group of people come together to, you know, try to put that whole thing down when, when the guy was still free. I've seen so many people in this community. This is my first time really living here, helping people. People from, you know, out of la, coming here. I've seen firefighters from everywhere in the country, other parts of the world. I mean, it's been really cool to see people helping people. So, you know, everyone out there go donate to one of the big three. I think there's a Cal fire dot org. Yeah, there's the Red Cross, because there's a lot of people that, that aren't as lucky. And it's. It's sad. I mean, we just went to soccer practice last night. Three kids on my daughter's soccer team lost their home, so.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, geez.
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Julian Edelman
It's nuts. You know, so. But thankfully, we got football to distract. Distract us.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I want to ask about. I mean you played quarterback, you know the position, you know the complexities. Jaden Daniels, I don't think I'm being, I'm reaching saying, yeah, that's the best rookie quarterback I've ever seen. I don't even understand his ability. He is so poised in these late game drives. Is that what impresses you?
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Julian Edelman
That's exactly what impresses me. I mean we, we were saying last year CJ Stroud had probably the best quarterback rookie season we've ever seen because of the same thing. But Jaden Daniels has continued this thing into the playoffs and it's very evident on situational plays like third down last week, fourth down a few times where they convert, where he's getting blitz where he still stays within the scheme and doesn't rush his progression. I mean he's beaten blitz zero a handful of times. I, I can't tell you what that is. Blitz 0 is all out blitz where you have one guy un unblocked and you have to get the ball out. It's the play that sent Lamar Jackson home twice the last two years. That's what Spagnolo has been sending him. Every time they're in that fourth or third down.
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Unknown Speaker
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Julian Edelman
And they haven't been ha. They haven't had an answer. Jaden Daniels beat that thing like consistently this year. That's what's impressive. That's like not just rookie quarterback stuff. That's pro quarter like veteran quarterback execution. He's been doing it at a high level. You know he's going to have a huge test this week. But that calm, cool collectness in high gotta have it type situations are what are really impressive.
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Colin Cowherd
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Dallas Goddard
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- [09:22]
Colin Cowherd
With pro tight end Dallas Goddard to share his journey with plaque psoriasis and how he tackles his symptoms with otesla. Oprimolast yeah, being a football player with plaque psoriasis can be challenging. My skin gets flaky and itchy, so my doctor told me about a pill ot. It works from the inside out.
- [09:39]
Dallas Goddard
OTESLA is a prescription medicine used to treat adult patients with plaque psoriasis for whom phototherapy or systemic therapy is appropriate. OTESLA can help you get clearer skin after just four months. Dallas is an OTESLA patient that has been compensated for his time. Don't use Otezla if you're allergic to it. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms, severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, depression, suicidal thoughts or weight loss can happen. Tell your doctor if any of these occur and if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts.
- [10:04]
Colin Cowherd
Talking to my doctor about a pill was a total game changer. If you're struggling with plaque psorias, talk to your doctor about Otesla. Visit otezla.com for more information or call 1-844-4-OTEZLA for prescribing info, info about cost and more. You can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T mobile keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com heap and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required. Card has no cash access and expires in six months Can Philadelphia run their way to the Lombardi Trophy?
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Julian Edelman
They can run their way to the trophy. I don't think they can get the trophy. Just running it though this week. I think they should be able to beat the Washington Commanders. Now Jane Daniels is a, he's a joker, but he's a joker.
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Colin Cowherd
Doesn't play defense.
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Julian Edelman
He doesn't play defense. So this team, pound for pound, should win this game and run their way into the Super Bowl. But once you get there and you're either gonna play, you know, Spagnolo and the Chiefs, who can stop the run? Who know who have been in this situation where they've played a run heavy team in the super bowl, like it's going to be a different thing. You're going to have to come up with some situational throws that you're going to have to be able to execute on. And if you play against the Bills, God forbid you, you know, jump out and not have a lead and let these guys go out and put it on you. Where they have to get into their drop back pass game, which we've seen over the last few weeks, hasn't been there. So I think they could run their way into the Super Bowl. I don't think you could run your way to win a Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
Buffalo has matured as a team. You can't sack them. No penalties. Don't turn it over. Baltimore's not there yet. Buffalo has matured. Now when you, I look at your career and I think, well, you guys were always mature, but when you were younger with the late Aaron Hernandez or Gronk, there were times where you were, you know, and I don't, I can't line up every year. And who you exactly played with off the top of my head. But even in New England's ecosystem, there were older teams, there were younger teams. Take me to your playoff history that. Did you like some young guys or were there times that you went into big games and you're like, I'm glad we got older dudes. I think Buffalo's matured.
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Julian Edelman
They're matured at the right spots.
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Colin Cowherd
Milano is older. You got.
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Julian Edelman
And that's what you have. You have cornerstone players, and then they have a whole lot of young guys that they've hit on in the draft. Shakir Coleman, all these other players that have followed that lead for me individually, going into the playoffs with a younger team, I would say in 2013, with the departure of Walker, the whole Aaron Hernandez situation, we didn't have a lot of playmakers. We ended up going to the AFC Championship, lost to Denver, and you almost had this kind of naive group of guys where we didn't really understand how big it was. But you looked at the, you know, you looked at the veteran, you looked at the Tom, you looked at the other guys who were really stressed out, understanding that we didn't have the firepower. We had to really outplay our play, our best match to win that game. You would, you would see that. But. And then with the older teams, you know, you'd feel that comfort a little more. I mean, by the time it's 2016, I was already in my third, fourth Super Bowl. You know, you kind of understand the regimen, you understand the routine, you understand the week, the schedule. I think that does give a team an advantage. With the Buffalo Bills, I completely forgot what my point was about maturity.
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Colin Cowherd
But I mean, Josh has been there, Dawkins has been there, Milano has been there, Ed Oliver's been there. I feel like now, I feel like three years ago, a little like Baltimore, they're kind of young, seedier pants. And in these big games, you know, just spags and Andy Reid could manipulate them more.
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Julian Edelman
I, I think they have a, I think they. What's very similar to this Buffalo team, which is some kind of similar to our teams. They have a huge middle class of players. You know, they got Josh Allen, who's, he's. He's a rich guy.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Julian Edelman
You know, and then they have a huge middle class, middle tier, kind of contract guy. And that's. That was similar to our team where we have these. You know, we'd have Tom, who was making his money, and you had a couple, Gronk and all, but then you had a big middle class. A team where a lot of guys were really good. They weren't the greatest, but they were really good. I think that's what they've done here with this team. You know, you look at how they hit on Shakir and Coleman, you know, guys that we, we went into the season saying they didn't have weapons, but this could be their best set of weapons that they've had.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Julian Edelman
Thus far, you know, they got that Beasley type guy that we all know Josh Allen loves in Shakira. You got a red, red zone target with Coleman and you don't have the headaches that you had with Dig. So the team's just constructed differently. Having Milano back is huge. Yeah, I mean, I think he's a difference maker. This defense, I believe was designed to beat the Kansas City Chiefs. You know, if you look at how they always play in their nickel personnel, they always had. They have a fast cover linebacker, Milano for a. A tight end type guy, Travis Kelce. So if they could get past these guys, I mean, I think this is ultimately the Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Julian Edelman
Is the AFC championship.
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Colin Cowherd
I agree. So by the way, there, there, there's. Tom talked about this on the show that quarterbacks now, it's like they're manipulating the playbook. They want scramble yards and then they also want the late hit penalty. Again, as somebody who was an active mobile quarterback in college, what do you make of the way, you know, Mahomes on the sideline push me. Do you think the NFL needs to step in and go, okay, guys, like you're. The flopping now has gotten the European soccer level.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, I think the league will step in. But we also got to put in our heads that this isn't 1992, this isn't 1985, this isn't 19, this isn't early 2000s football. The game has completely changed, the rules have changed. So if, if you know you're playing against the face of the organ or of the league, Patrick Mahomes, if you have to think about it, let it go. That's what Bill used to always say. And I remember being on the other side seeing a late hit on Brady or a roughing the passer on Brady where I'm like, eh, probably wasn't there, but it's Tom Brady that he was. Already had five Super Bowls. You guys got to understand the situation. Now do I think the league will probably step in and probably put a delay, a game penalty or something if you do these kind of things? Possibly. But for everyone out there, like the game is a different Game. This isn't barbaric football anymore.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Julian Edelman
Like that. As much as we can all bitch and complain about it. I don't know if you could say that here, but, you know, that's what, that's what it is. So you have to adjust to the rules. I remember Bill always talking about this. If it's close, don't go get in the right area. If it's this guy, we know this, this referee group likes to throw it close here. You got to know the situation. So, yeah, it's a terrible call, but it ain't going anywhere because these guys make too much money.
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Colin Cowherd
No, it's, it's interesting that Bill said that Herm Edwards had it and I discussed this once. He's like, there are certain officiating crews that call holding.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And you have to know as a coach, he's going to call holding. They don't call PI. So grab.
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Julian Edelman
You do business as business is being done. I mean, we'd have a Saturday night meeting. Bill would have what referees we had that week going forward and tell them what their, you know, their scouting report is. These guys are, you know, top third of the league in holding, defensive holding. These guys are top three in the league. And, you know, offensive holding, they let you play boys, do business is being done. We'll feel it out. And then you go. All you, you really want from the crew is consistency. So if they're going, call it tight, call it tight the whole game.
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Colin Cowherd
So I have made a prediction the last three years. Three years ago, Minnesota. Two years ago, Rams. This year, Denver, where I take a team that Vegas doesn't think is very good. And I'm like, they're going to be good. They're going to be a playoff team. So last year I took the Rams. People laughed at me. This year I took Denver and Washington. I picked Washington to make the playoffs. So the Patriots, it's pretty aggressive, pretty impressive. I'm not, I'm not lying.
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Julian Edelman
Let's go.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's go.
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Julian Edelman
J. Mac, what do you think?
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Colin Cowherd
He laughs at it, but I picked the Patriots. I said, I'll just give you my early one because my take is what they need. This draft has a lot of offensive tackles, more punch on the perimeter, wide receivers, they could use a run. It's a great running back draft. And I'm like, the division. The jets don't know what they're doing at quarterback. Miami's just Miami. I kind of, you know, Vrabel.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
What will be. Give me the first Two things Vrabel's gonna tell that locker room. His personality rapes an alpha.
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Julian Edelman
And. And it comes from him actually going and experiencing the stuff that he alphas you on.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Julian Edelman
You know, if he's gonna tell you something in a meeting. I never co. I never got to play with him as a coach, but I can only imagine, you know, as a friend, didn't play with them. But his. His legend was so loud throughout my career.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, what?
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Julian Edelman
Just how he was in the locker room, how he was in conditioning, how he would bust your balls all the time because he was giving max effort. And if you didn't. If you didn't mirror his effort, even.
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Colin Cowherd
In the locker room.
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Julian Edelman
In the locker room, drinking water, we were getting that. You'd always hear about the old Patriots, and. And it carried out through our legacies. You know, I'm drinking more water. I'm getting the edge on you. Like him, Willie Mack, Teddy Brusky, these guys were all accountable. We talk about the Patriot way, which, you know, was the template and the blueprint was from the coaches, but it was being sheriffed by guys like Vrabel. The. The coaches really didn't have to say.
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Colin Cowherd
Anything because Brable and Bruski ran the room.
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Julian Edelman
They were. And Willie Mack. And Willie Mack, you can't forget him. So, you know. You know, it's going to be a tough, smart football team because that's the kind of player he was. I. I honestly feel Gerard got the short end of the stick of this whole thing. I do think they're in a better situation going forward because of the experience with Rabes, but I do expect him to be a tough team that, you know, that can win close games. That's what I think, because it's.
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Colin Cowherd
It.
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Julian Edelman
It's gonna be hard. Practice is gonna be hard. They are gonna yell at you, they are gonna at you. You know, this whole thing where, you know, it's gotta be, you know, sunshine and rainbows and go into, you know, Dairy Queen after work, like, that ain't. That ain't gonna happen. That's Mike Lombardi he always talks about, but you know, that. That doesn't happen. This is a business. This is a. What did he say in his opening? They. I heard in his interview this is a production business. Whatever you have to do to get production is what you're gonna have to do. And I guarantee he's going to be tough on them, but he will handle guys that can't take that a different way. But this team will be a tough, smart football team. That will perform under pressure.
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Colin Cowherd
Toughest locker room you were ever in where, I mean if, if the league broke out into a fight, you're like, we got dudes everywhere.
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Julian Edelman
It has to be with Mankins and Light and Logan Seymour and, and some of these like early days. My early days, my later days too. But like Logan Mankins, I mean he was, I, I saw him just manhandle like 340 pound men consistently. And like after practice he would be farming his land in Rhode Island. Like he was just an absolute beast of a man. And, and Light, like those guys, probably from those earlier patriots that carried over to mine, it was, those guys were tough guys and we had a bunch of tough guys, you know, the Jamie Collins, the Dante Hightower.
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Colin Cowherd
Brady got soft at the end?
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Julian Edelman
No, I think he got, I think he actually got tougher, you know, because he always had to prove his point that I was, you know, I'm still, I'm not that old. Guys, you know, he'd always try to be hip with the young guys.
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Colin Cowherd
He would, they try to be. Yeah, don't we all?
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Julian Edelman
We all.
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Colin Cowherd
Great seeing you, man.
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Julian Edelman
Great to see you guys. Once again, everyone go out and help those, those people in la find one of the organizations. I, I don't, I forget them. The Red Cross is one and there is the, the cow. Fire.org. i think that's a huge one. Help these firefighters get the resources they need to battle these things because this is, this is wild.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, we're here for you, man. We were crossing our fingers and we're very, very fortunate that you got through that thing. All right, we take a break. We J. Mack next. Herdline News live in Angeles. Hits the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
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Julian Edelman
You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.
- [23:50]
Colin Cowherd
On Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?
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Julian Edelman
We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world.
- [23:59]
Colin Cowherd
We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still.
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Julian Edelman
Work together, I mean, that says something, right?
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Colin Cowherd
So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on.
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Julian Edelman
Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive.
- [24:22]
Colin Cowherd
Show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the.
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Julian Edelman
Live show, just search Covino and Rich.
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Colin Cowherd
Wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Colin Carrot here with pro tight end Dallas Goddard to share his journey with plaque psoriasis and how he tackles his symptoms with otesla. A Primalast yeah, being a football player with plaque psoriasis can be challenging. My skin gets flaky and itchy so my doctor told me about a pill o Tesla. It works from the inside out.
- [24:55]
Dallas Goddard
Oh TESL is a prescription medicine used to treat adult patients with plaque psoriasis for whom phototherapy or systemic therapy is appropriate. OTESLA can help you get clearer skin after just four months. Dallas is an OTESLA patient that has been compensated for his time. Don't use OTLA if you're allergic to it. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms, severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, depression, suicidal thoughts or weight loss can happen. Tell your doctor if any of these occur and if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts.
- [25:20]
Colin Cowherd
Talking to my doctor about a pill was a total game changer. If you're struggling with plaque psoriasis, talk to your doctor about OT ESL. Visit otezla.com for more information or call 1-844-4-OTEZLA for prescribing info, info about cost and more. You can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T mobile, keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com Keep and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device, credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required. Card has no cash access and expires in six months.
- [26:14]
Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you, you text me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the. The heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest. It was a little pink.
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Julian Edelman
There was something sentimental when you, like when, when you send it, it's like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
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Colin Cowherd
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Unknown Speaker
Hey, everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch, and I'm exhausted, but turns out the end is near. Right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next Question. This podcast is for people like me who need a little perspective and insight. I'm bringing in some foks, friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Van Jones, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun, even though these days fun and politics seems like an oxymoron. But we'll do that thanks to some of my friends like Samantha bee, Roy Wood Jr. And Charlemagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Power to the podcast for the people. So whether you're obsessed with the news or just trying to figure out what's going on, this season of Next Question is for you. Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news. No, no, no.
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Julian Edelman
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
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Unknown Speaker
All right, this was a bit of a surprise, but. So the Pittsburgh Steelers obviously have a big, big decision to make at quarterback. And yesterday, Russell Wilson said he loved playing at Pittsburgh. It was a special place for him. And the Steelers and Russ's camp have started contract discussions. This kind of caught me off guard because I, we, we, everybody knows they had a great start to the season, but it didn't end particularly well. December and January were ugly. I'm just Curious, where does Russell Wilson land for you contract wise? Because you know he was probably in line for a Baker Mayfield type deal and then the end of the season happened. You're like, why would we get in this?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I, listen, I, I went in skeptical, then I was impressed, then I was optimistic and then I sold my stock. I think at this point he's not Baker Mayfield who led, who led the NFL in touchdown passes the last, I think since he started, he's led the NFL in touchdown passes over Mahomes. I think that's right. So Baker and Sam Darnold are closer to their prime. So I think Russell, do you give Russell a 15,18 million one year deal or I can make this argument, you just go with Justin Fields for one more. You sign Justin to a smaller two year deal and you go, you know, you go into the draft.
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Unknown Speaker
Could you give Ross a Geno Smith type deal where it's like 25 to 28 and then there's a lot of outs potentially for the team. I just, I don't know what you're getting from Russ going forward. And let's be real. Was he the impetus as to why they were a good team this year? No, I don't, I don't think so.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I just think against elite teams down the stretch, you felt like the offense was completely limited. I think that's incredibly fair to say. I, of course he wants a deal. I'd a deal too, but I, I, and I, I don't think he has much of a market.
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Unknown Speaker
Moving on to Mike McCarthy, still probably the biggest free agent coach on the market since he and the Cowboys parted ways. He's had trouble getting to New Orleans because of the snow. I mean, I don't know if you've tracked it, but New Orleans is in a bad shape with this snowstorm. He is set for an in person interview. McCarthy is with New Orleans next week. Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weavers meeting with the Saints Friday and I guess this is correct. New York Giants offensive coordinator Mike Kafka will meet with them on Saturday.
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Colin Cowherd
Mike Kafka, Well, I think he's respected.
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Unknown Speaker
I think it's probably best that I just don't say anything after that. I mean, Anthony Weaver and Mike Kafka, like what? Again? We just saw Chip Kelly and Ryan Day steamroll the competition. I know they have the best players, but those two working together. Why don't you just throw a Hail Mary and say hey guys, both you come in OC and let me ask you, why not?
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Colin Cowherd
Let me ask you. Are Any of these teams. Considering Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame, I.
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Unknown Speaker
Don'T think he would consider the Saints. Woody. It almost feels like a downgrade from Notre Dame, where the Saints are now. Talent wise, lack of quarterback. Sorry, Derek Carr, but yeah, I don't understand.
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Colin Cowherd
The NFL group that is left outside of Pete Carroll and Mike McCarthy is pretty slim.
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Unknown Speaker
Liam Cohen, I think, has, I think, potential, but it's.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Liam. I think Liam Cohen is doing a Ben Johnson. He's like, I don't like these jobs. I'm gonna wait a year.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, he wanted Jacksonville and they had bulky, and then he pulled his name out. I don't know. Liam Cohen and the Raiders might make sense because they just got a new GM who was in Tampa. But, yeah, it is. And listen, obviously, it's tough when the big names are off the board, but I think you got to get creative if you're an owner or gm. And I don't see creativity in New Orleans. Not great. Finally, to the NBA. Colin. The 76ers, 15 and 27. They are 11th in the East. This is a team some people thought could be a finalist. When they got Paul George. I heard some. Some NBA guy say they had the best trio in the league when they got Paul George. They are underwhelming to the point that Philly is gonna sit down with Joel Embiid at some point and have a conversation about his health. They are growing concerned.
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Colin Cowherd
He's not frustrated. He's not a winning player. He is a talented player. He's Carmelo Anthony or a Russell Westbrook. He is a Hall of Famer. He is a tremendously gifted player. There's an argument he doesn't elevate others and isn't. I mean, Russell's playing very well with Denver. Russell Westbrook sometimes bench. You know, Russell gives you great energy. Embiid gives you great scoring. Carmelo gave you great scoring. But when you get expensive and sometimes brittle or rigid and you don't want to do certain things because you've made so much money, this is not a criticism. Embiid is a Hall of Fame player. We've been on this. When I watched the Olympics, and literally the team was better when he was off the floor. There was never a time in Shaq's prime when the Lakers were better, when he was off the floor, maybe with the last minute and free throws is. Embiid, to me, is a hard player to. To have an offense with because he needs the ball, and too often he has it in his hands in the perimeter.
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Unknown Speaker
So this is where it gets really ugly. So he hasn't played since January 4th. And they're like, oh, his knee is swelling from what he's not playing. I. I don't get it. And they gave him a new contract. Colin Joel Embiid is due in the 2829 season. $69 million.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I don't get. I wouldn't have.
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Unknown Speaker
I don't know if he's gonna be playing next year at this rate. He can't be healthy. Colin, this is really ugly.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, the Clippers gave Kawhi Leonard a new deal. I didn't get that either. There are contracts in this league. I mean it's. Sometimes I watch some of the GMs in this league. I just don't get it. I don't understand it. I think Embiid Pete 2 years ago I thought he got a gift MVP when he really wasn't charity. That was the time to move him. You know, I know Philadelphia between the Eagles, Bryce Harper and the Phillies. It's a competitive sports town. But if I'm Josh Harris and I own that team and I saw how successful the commanders got immediately. The Sixers are at this point tedious and underperforming. And I think they missed their window to move people. I don't.
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Unknown Speaker
Nobody's taking a beat.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't listen. Cleveland is for real. The Knicks aren't going backwards. I mean, the three best teams in the east. It's not debatable.
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Unknown Speaker
Celtics are loaded.
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Colin Cowherd
Celtics, Cavs, Knicks. That's it. I don't Everybody else a little bit of a pretender. Milwaukee's going to be too old in the playoffs.
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Unknown Speaker
I mean Paul George goes to Philly. I almost feel bad for him. They're not a playoff team right now. Colin and Tyrese Maxey, the idea that.
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Colin Cowherd
They'Re the championship window which was brief is done.
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Unknown Speaker
No shot. Absolutely none. I don't even know if they're a play in team that like Detroit's playing well with.
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Colin Cowherd
Kate Cunningham, Chicago, they're 11th. You said in the east. The bottom of the east is horrible.
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Unknown Speaker
The only defensive embiid is listen these bigger Gu Shaq even had weight issues every offseason. But you know, these bigger guys, as they age, it's never really gracefully. And you just feel bad because Embiid.
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Colin Cowherd
Talent wise for big men hurt early, hurt often. There's almost no exception. Big guys that get hurt early. The Greg Odin body types.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, that's right.
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Colin Cowherd
They get. They're hurt. That's just their body's not built to carry that weight.
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Unknown Speaker
That's a big loss. I mean, again, if you're a casual NBA fan, you look at the east and you see Cleveland Cavaliers.
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Colin Cowherd
No, they're for real.
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Unknown Speaker
Up by seven. They're the Celtics in the East. And you look at the west and it's like kc, Houston, Memphis, where are the stars? Where are the suit? Where are the great teams?
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Colin Cowherd
And it's like Boston, come playoff team time, will be a great team.
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Unknown Speaker
But it feels like a transition year in the NBA. A little bit.
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Colin Cowherd
A little bit. We've had. We had five different champions in five years. Aren't we on that run?
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Unknown Speaker
Something like that.
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Dallas Goddard
Like.
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Colin Cowherd
Like the 70s when it was. You go back to the 70s, it was. It's six for six different champions. No, I mean, back in the 70s, you went through. It was like Warriors, Bullets, Sonics, Blazers, Sixers every year. And by the way, I grew up on that. They were. It was so much fun. But it. It was. There was no great team in the 70s.
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Unknown Speaker
And you need that now. You need a great team with all the distraction, Social media, streaming.
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Colin Cowherd
I agree. You and I agree. It sounds good to say we've got parody. It doesn't move the needle. TV ratings. People like dynasties. Yeah, I like dynasties. People want special. And the warriors with KD felt special. Like if they were on you stopped your remote, you watched them play. Even if you're not from the okc.
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Unknown Speaker
Feels special to you.
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Colin Cowherd
Not yet. I think Boston, I would say in May and June, when the playoffs start late April, May and June, if the Celtics are playing, that feels pretty special.
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Unknown Speaker
How's Jason Tatum doing? Have you looked at his stat line? Cooking with gas, My guy Tatum.
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Colin Cowherd
What's the date? Nobody crushes in January like Jason Tatum. JMac with the news.
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Julian Edelman
Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.
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Colin Cowherd
Ben Johnson, new Bears coach, stopped by today and that was great to have him. He is now partnered with Caleb Williams. You know, I was thinking about this. So he had Jared Goff. So the three things that he had in Detroit, he does not have in Chicago. He does not have a great O line. He doesn't have an elite pocket passer to this point, Jared Goff. And he doesn't have, you know, the culture creator. That'll have to be him and Dan Campbell. So when you think of the Lions, I think of culture O line. And I mean, I'd be honest with you. Run game, then golf. So they don't have any of them. They have to draft a running back. Good news. For them, it is a great running back draft and I mean like 15 deep. That's good news because they need more running back power. It is a very good O line draft. They need some offensive line help so they have top five cap space in the league. To me, they can shore up their O line. I don't know if it's a left tackle or right center or guard. I think Chicago's got to make a move. Go buy a better O line. Go draft a better running back room and, and then you start because I it Kansas City's done this a couple of times where they just by the way, the Rams did this in McVeigh. They went and bought interior O linemen. You can fix your O line. Offensive coaches have a recent history. McVeigh, Andy Reid as Sean Payton in Denver took a mess. Top 10o line right now. So Ben's got a chance. He talked about his new partnership with Kayla Williams.
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Julian Edelman
He's got an abundance of talent. I can't wait to get to work with him. But obviously he is a different player and has a different skill set than Jared did. And I'll be excited to see what direction we go. It's going to morph. It's not going to look the same as what it did in Detroit. At the end of the day, Caleb's going to really dictate the direction that this offense goes and what we end up looking like.
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Colin Cowherd
So the afc, we know who the big dogs are at the Top at the NFC. Last 10 Super bowl teams in the NFC, all 10 different quarterbacks, which is, which is great if you're the Chicago Bears. It's not driven by Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar or Joe Burrow. We put up a graphic earlier. If you look at the last 10 quarterbacks that have gotten to the super bowl from the NFC, it's 10 different cats. So that, that is great news. Jalen hurts. I think it would be the second time for him. But you know, it's great news for Chicago because it's wide open. J Mac did not like the fact that I did not put Jalen Hurts into my top 10 players in the NFC championship. I had Hertz around 11. Dallas Goddard, number 11. One of those corners. I, I, it's hard to argue because Philadelphia has so many elite players. I mean, they've got at least 4 elite line. What do I do with Zach Bond? Who's up for defensive player of the year? I put him five.
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Unknown Speaker
He's awesome. I think he was maybe the best free agent move in the entire league. He's been phenomenal. But again, it's just the idea. Landon Dickerson's a terrific player. Grades out.
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Colin Cowherd
He's one of the. He's the best guard in the league.
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Unknown Speaker
The idea that he's a better player than Jalen hurts is a little.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think Jalen Hurts is close to a top 10 quarterback. As a what, as a pocket passer? He's bottom 12. I think as a.
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Unknown Speaker
Not a top 10 quarterback, Jalen Hurts.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, literally. We had Greg Cosell on today, and I asked him about Hertz to Jaden Daniels. He goes, no, no, Jaden's a much better pocket passer.
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Unknown Speaker
Yes, I would agree.
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Colin Cowherd
And we don't put Jaden in the elite 4 or 5 class as pocket passers. I don't think Jalen Hurts from the pocket.
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Unknown Speaker
Can you imagine if he gets a second receiver? I mean, he's throwing to Diami Brown and, you know, if McLaurin.
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Colin Cowherd
They have the most cap space. Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Washington's in.
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Colin Cowherd
Or is that New England has the most. Washington's got a ton.
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Unknown Speaker
But this. It just feels a little negative on Jalen Hurts. Maybe injury.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, yeah, I mean, you're. I'm telling you, Washington has the third most cap space. I like Jalen Hurts. Bobby Wagner is Washington's tackle machine.
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Unknown Speaker
He's 35 years, 34, 35 years old.
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Julian Edelman
Come on.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, how do you explain the Eagles getting better when they asked Hertz to throw less?
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Unknown Speaker
Yes. No, that's very fair. Early in the season, he was.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, listen, J. Mac, please talk less. If our ratings doubled, you'd be in trouble. I wouldn't put you. I would put you below Ryan in our top 10 list. I'm sorry.
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Unknown Speaker
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Unknown Speaker
Hey everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch, right in time for a new season of my podcast, Next Question. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.