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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.
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Todd McShay
And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.
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Jason McIntyre
So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down. All 257 picks have been made.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to the 40s and free agents.
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Todd McShay
Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Charlamagne Tha God
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to fox Sports Radio. Cha 13 does an extraordinary job on this stuff. Known Todd for a lot of years. He was on with us recently. We're bringing him back as the draft begins in earnest on Thursday. So I want to start with this. There's, and I had heard this about four or five days ago, that the Giants in the room are split on Shador Sanders, which would lead me to believe they're not taking a player at number three. They're split on. You've been around these teams. A lot of people have said day ball's more Jackson dart, Shane's more Shador. How can you be split at this juncture? Or is this common?
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Todd McShay
Let me ask you this question, Colin. Like, there are so few in the league that actually are really, really good at developing quarterbacks, working with quarterbacks, and there's a handful of guys who are considered one of, like, the better offensive minds. Right, Right. And so I don't care if who you drafted quarterback even outlasts the head coach. I'm utilizing what his special trait is. The reason why we brought him in as the. As the head coach is what he's been able to do with quarterbacks and offensively. And so if Gable doesn't like a guy or if he likes a guy, aren't I trusting that opinion over the scouting staff? And like, you know, I'm kind of a scout by trade and I believe in marrying the personnel with the coaching staff. But in this specific instance, I'm going with the coach that believes in the quarterback and wants to work in the quarter with the quarterback. And so what I'm hearing matches up with exactly what I expected. I've been saying for two weeks now, I can't imagine Brian Dabel is kind of going all chips in on Shador Sanders. Brian Dabel has worked with Jalen Hurts at Alabama. Josh Allen in Buffalo. He got the best out of Daniel Jones, a quarterback I never thought should have ever been drafted where he was. But he got the best out of him when he was healthy. And so Jackson Dart lines up with what Brian Dabel is looking for in a quarterback. Sturdier build, mobility, energy on the ball. So I've always said, I suspect that Brian Dabel is a Jackson dark guy or maybe even Tyler Schuck or maybe developing Jalen Milroe. But I can't imagine, especially in that division, in that weather, that Shador would be the guy that he say, we got to have him. And so it doesn't surprise me at all that this information is coming Out. The Shador and Dart thing is fascinating to me. The same principles we're applying to Dable apply to Kellen Moore in New Orleans. Like he's worked three OC jobs with Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, Jalen hurts. Those guys are more in line with what Jackson Dart is. So I quarterback is not going at three. From everything I can understand. And you just pointed out, I think it will be Abdul Carter if it goes Ward 1, Hunter 2. So then Shador falls to 9, everyone's saying for about a week. And I was saying it's not New Orleans. I don't think it's Shador. New Orleans at 9. And I don't think it would be Shador to New Orle 40. So now it becomes what's the market for Shador? And everyone's pointing to Pittsburgh. And I do have from pretty good sources. Mike Tomlin does like Shador and there are people in the building that do like Shador. But we thought for a little while that's the hard floor. That's where he's going to, you know, worst case, he goes 21 to Pittsburgh. I was told Sunday night when I landed here in LA by someone I trust that probably as much or more than anyone out there, that's a softer floor than people think. And it makes sense. Like, I think Pittsburgh would rather trade back. They gave up the number, the round two pick with DK Metcalf. So now we're in a situation where maybe it's like, hold, hold on these quarterbacks and we get into the 20s and yes, maybe a team like the Giants moves up a little bit for Jackson Dart or New Orleans tries to get up ahead of them for Jackson Dart. I don't see the team out there and no one I've talked to sees the team out there that if Shador gets past 21, they're going to go racing in the first round to go get him. So I'm not saying he won't go in the first round. We found out the night before on Baker Mayfield. We didn't know about Michael Penix last year. There's always one team kind of lurking. And so can he go in the first round if it's not Pittsburgh? Absolutely. But I don't have a team where I'm like, they're going to come and be the parachute for Shador Sanders.
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Colin Cowherd
So we have heard and almost everybody's told me this. It's a remarkable running back draft. So let's do some comps on this. If I say Travy and Henderson, Ohio State, who does he remind you of? Or Amarian Hampton at Carolina? Who do they remind you of? Give me a comp. Because you've said before and I, I've heard this from multiple people in the league. It's like this is a, this is a running back draft. There. There are guys ranked 15th to 18th that may play early and be like regular starting backs in this league. It's that good of a running back draft. Take Travion Henderson at Ohio State. I liked him. I thought he was really good. Does he remind you of anybody?
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Todd McShay
I think Jameer Gibbs is an accurate, an accurate assessment if you're trying to do like shades of. Or comparison. Because. And I'll tell you this, and I said this at the Senior bowl, talking to people and that's when people are just talking ball and they're not now trying to give out information for specific reasons. There was some late first Love mobile. He wasn't there. But just talking to people on the field, the Senior bowl and kind of people just talking then and, and now as we get closer, it was okay. It's going to be, it's going to be Aston Ginty in the top 10. We'll get to that in a minute, by the way. And then it's going to be Omarion Hampton. Maybe he goes shortly thereafter. Worst case, he goes 20 to Denver. I'm starting to get the sense, and in part because this class is so good at running back and it's so deep that the running backs could fall a little bit. And I'm also getting the sense that it won't be shocking if Trayvon Henderson goes before Omari and Hampton. And so it's just something to keep an eye on that there are some teams in the 20s that I know of that have a lot higher grades on Trayvon Henderson than people would like to think. Now, will they take a running back in the late first when there's the end of the offensive tackle run is going to be there. The end of the edge class run is going to be there. So that'll be interesting to see. But don't be shocked if Henderson goes before Hampton. And also don't be surprised if we don't have like, remember 2017, Colin. Right. With that great running back class. 30 running backs were drafted. One of the best classes ever. And it started with Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey. Alvin Camara was in that class. But There were only five running backs taken in the first 85 because everyone in the league knew we can target our guy and different Flavors in on day two, on day three and Saturday, and so we saw a couple more go. But from pick 105 to the end of the draft, there were 23 running backs selected. I think this class could be a little bit more like that.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's interesting. There's always a player. So the first round's over and then everybody goes out, has a, has a cold beer and they go to the lobby of the hotel, they talk. And all of a sudden there's one player like a mecca buga of Ohio State that did go. And whoever's got that first pick in the second round, everybody's like. Because I think that kid I have taught, nobody I've talked to doesn't love him though. I mean, if he can do, he can do sideline more of a slot runs, the right routes work, you can see the work on the field. So I have this feeling that he's going to escape the first round and all of a sudden there's going to be people that'll move. Everybody's saying it's a move down draft. I could see people moving up if he's not drafted in the first round. So my question is, is he a first rounder to you or very top of the second? Because everybody likes him.
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Todd McShay
I agree. If he's sitting there top of the second, he's a guy that you do move up for. Yeah, it was interesting. I was, I was at Ohio State for the pro day and it was like it was Nick Bose's year. There were some stars at receiver and Haskins was a quarterback. So, you know, I was sent out by the network to go cover these, these star players. Everyone I talked to in the inside the building, coaches, people that worked in the staff there, equipment managers, like, hey, this Terry McLaurin guy, you have no idea how important he was to this team. And he wound up going, what? Third round? I think it was a mech is kind of the same. You watch him on tape, Colin, and it's not this, I made this, this ridiculous, like, comparison, Right. It's not like when you go out to a nightclub or a lounge or somewhere and you see this beautiful woman and she jumps up like there's no special trait, the Mecca, but it's like the friend group you have. And there's this one, this one girl or guy that is like always there, trustworthy, makes you laugh a lot. Yeah. And then over time, over time you're like, I just, I like how, I like who I am when I'm around him. Yeah, I like Trust this person. That's a mecca. You trust him implicitly. He's a force multiplier in your locker room. You know what? You're going to get 80, 90 catches out of them. It may not be 18 yards per catch, but it's going to be like 11 or 12. We're going to get first downs. He's going to be a best friend to a quarterback in the league. I don't think he gets out of the first round, but if he does, I'm with you. I think. I think teams are like, let's make a call overnight. Let's grab. I checked in this hotel, by the way, and the first thing I saw, there's a tap in this hotel. It's the herd. Pills, Pilsner. So they'll grab a Herb. Pilsner. Right. Could you believe me? I walk in here, I got all my bags, I got all my stuff, and I see the herd Pilsner tapping here, so I had to get that on.
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Colin Cowherd
That hotel's got good taste. Okay, I want to end with this. Abdul Carter, he's been advised to get surgery. He doesn't want to get surgery. Drew Rosenhaus, very persuasive. But that's. That worries me. Like, I know he's talented. I watched him play six times this year. Is that a deal breaker? Is that weird where he's got an injury? Everybody saying, bro, get surgery. He's like, I want to get surgery. What do you make of that story?
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Todd McShay
I've talked to teams in the league, and they're not overly worried about it. And it's kind of been left at that. At that. So I, you know, and I've talked to, like, they've set their board. One team I talked to today, they're doing their final. Like, they've got their psychologists coming in, their doctors coming in. So, like, different teams are in different parts of the process, but. But ultimately, I haven't gotten any word from a single team, or it's like, yeah, that's. That's something that we would shy away from.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Todd McShay
So I. Let me. Before we jump off, I just want to get to this. This. This, to me on Thursday night is going to be fascinating. Okay. I think Abdul does go three to the Giants.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
I think Will Campbell does go forward to the New England Patriots. I think this is a class where everyone I've talked to lines up with a lot of my grades. There's no offense. The offensive tackle would have been the fifth, fifth best tackle last year. The wide receiver would have been the fifth Best wide receiver last year. Okay, but we're going to see those positions bumped up because specific teams have specific needs. Like the Patriots at left tackle with Will Campbell. I'm hearing now Jacksonville, think back to Trevor Lawrence and Justin Ross and T. Higgins, those six four receivers, 4,000 yards in 20, 18, 20, 19, 42 touchdown catches. That's when he was at his best. There's this 64 wide receiver out of Arizona called named Tetarola McMillan, and I don't have them rated that high, but maybe he's the pick at 5 and then 6. Everyone says Ashton Ginty to the Raiders. I'm hearing it's Armand Member, the offensive tackle or maybe an edge. So we could have a group because of picks 4, 5 and 6 and specific needs at tackle and wide receiver that are. That are there. All of a sudden we get to seven in the jets, we get Carolina at eight, we got New Orleans at nine, the Bears at 10. And they could have a situation where these edge, edge rushers are still on the board, Jalen Walker included. We could have Ashton Jinty falling to the Chicago Bears at 10. Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland. I've talked to so many teams in the league, they all have them in the top nine or 10 players on their board. All of these and. And Mason Graham, defensive tackle. So picks four and five are going to set the tone for this draft. And the teams drafting after two and through Chicago could be looking at players that they had rated 3, 4 or 5 on their board that are still sitting there.
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Colin Cowherd
I can't wait. Todd McShay, the ring. Todd McShay, the ringer. Good seeing you, buddy.
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Todd McShay
Good seeing you, too.
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Colin Cowherd
But yeah, it's the. You know, it's so funny that Hampton and Ashton Genty are getting so much publicity that people are overlooking Trevion Henderson at Ohio State, who's a stud. And if you looked up and said, oh, yeah, he made like four Pro Bowls, you'd be like, yeah, yeah. I mean, he is a. He is a burner. I mean, he is big time. When that guy gets like a second step, it's like by. So. I don't know, it's just. He's one of these classic guys. Is because Genty is such an interesting player. Five and a eight and a half out of Boise State. There's. Everybody's glomming onto him. He's a very good player. I think we're forgetting Henderson at Ohio.
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Jason McIntyre
State, but can I push back on Henderson for a quick second? He was on a loaded team, but receivers who are incredible, but they did.
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Colin Cowherd
Not have a great offensive line.
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Jason McIntyre
It was good in the playoff. It was dominant. I mean, listen, I like Henderson a lot. I had him in first round in some mock drafts and some people were like, listen, he's more of a second, but he's great value as a second round running. Oh, like you put him on the Rams. He will be. What?
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Colin Cowherd
They don't have a second round pick. But he is. There's two guys from Ohio State. This is why I keep asking about him.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, the other guy too. Who?
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Colin Cowherd
The receiver in Henderson. If they're not taken in the first round, they have to be the first and second guy taken in the second round. Those guys are start day one.
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Jason McIntyre
I know, but a lot of this. Colin, we talked about Devonte Adams earlier, right?
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Charlamagne Tha God
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but you got to be on.
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Jason McIntyre
A good team with a good coach.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the other thing, Devonte was expensive. These guys, second rounders are free. So when you get Devonte. Okay, well then there's people I can't get because of his salary. I'm just telling you, if those two Ohio State guys do not go in the first round, you can't tell me it's a bad draft. Those are day one exceptional starters. Those are really good college players.
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Jason McIntyre
What about your boy Will Howard? Or no, Riley Leonard? Who? Any. Any chatter on those two?
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Colin Cowherd
A lot of people don't have my ability to see the future. He'll go. He'll go.
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Jason McIntyre
I saw the funniest stat on the Louisville quarterback. What's his name? Shook? Tyler something.
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Colin Cowherd
Everybody tells me, dude, he is literally 27 years old. He's older than Trevor Lawrence today.
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Jason McIntyre
So he played in college for seven years. He started for one season. That's it. Now, he had a lot of starts, like spot starts.
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Colin Cowherd
Guys, I said this dude, when you go to college, Remember when you went to college in your freshman year, you're in the dorm and there's the resident. The old ra.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, resident advisor.
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Colin Cowherd
Resident advisor. The ra. And he's the one guy with a beard and he drinks like expensive beer and he's got like the nicest car. And you're like, that guy's a winner. No, he's just older than everybody. He's just the old guy that you're like, man, he's drinking. Like, he's not drinking. Milwaukee's best.
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Jason McIntyre
No beast for that guy.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he's 27 and you're 19, right?
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Jason McIntyre
He had a bit of an edge.
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Colin Cowherd
So I would say that quarterback is the RA of the drive that I like. Okay, that's good. Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Todd McShay
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.
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Todd McShay
And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.
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Jason McIntyre
So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to the 40s and free agents.
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Todd McShay
Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news no, no.
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Todd McShay
No, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, let's start with my guy Jason Tatum and the Celtics. They had a nice game one win over the Magic. Interestingly, our guy Eddie House, nobody by the way watches this show and texts me during it. Like Eddie House. He is a big watcher of the herd. He had a hot take here on Jason Tatum. I don't know if you're going to like it. Tatum was not among the top three MVP finalists and Eddie House is angry.
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Colin Cowherd
Most disrespected superstar in a league.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Most disrespected all NBA first team player in the league. It was it three straight years that he's been all NBA.
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Colin Cowherd
He's disrespected and that's okay because sometimes that that's fuel for the firing for the greater good of what the Boston Celtics are doing.
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Charlamagne Tha God
I think it turn is turning him into a monster, you know, and eventually he's going to get that mvp.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, yeah, I mean he's a great, he's a great player. I only push back on one thing. He's not the face of the league. That's the only thing I've ever pushed back.
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Jason McIntyre
Should he have finished top three MVP because it's sga, Jokic and Giannis who all had historically great season.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. But I would take Jayson Tatum if you told me today Giannis or Jayson Tatum. I don't trust Giannis with two and a half minutes to go in a playoff game. Dude, I, he, I, he, I don't trust him. He has no jumper in his game. None. He's got no jumper.
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Jason McIntyre
He'll get to the rim and then miss the.
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Colin Cowherd
No, by the way physically he's had injuries. Tatum hasn't Tatum does everything well, including late in games. Hip free throws.
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Jason McIntyre
I love Tatum, you know that. I just don't think there's a case here for him to be top three MVP Giannis this season. When you look at the numbers. No, they're like historically great for mvp. He's going to finish third. That's crazy.
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Colin Cowherd
Did you watch that first game in the play? Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
He had like 40 and 20 ridiculous numbers. His teammates stunk up the joint. Now he gets Dame back tonight or whenever game two is.
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Colin Cowherd
I stay away game. Zigzag. Stay away.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Look at you.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. I'm not. I'm not. I will say this about Jason Tatum. How about this? If you said, all things considered, salary, age, temperament, everything, who would you start your franchise with today? Now, a lot of people would say Wemby.
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Jason McIntyre
Sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. And then Luca.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, Yokich.
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Colin Cowherd
I would go Jokic to.
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Jason McIntyre
How about this? SGA or Jason Tatum?
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Colin Cowherd
Tough call.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't think so. You know where I'm going on this one.
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Colin Cowherd
Where are you going?
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Jason McIntyre
Tatum.
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Colin Cowherd
It's. It's a. It's a good.
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Jason McIntyre
Really good. He had an amazing season.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I like. What I'm saying is, if you started your franchise today, I think everybody would say Wemby Jokic. I think a lot of people would say ant number three. He's more expensive, probably Ant.
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Charlamagne Tha God
Wow.
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Colin Cowherd
I know it's close, but ant made more threes than anybody and ant is rising. He's not in his peak yet. I feel like I'm in the middle of Tatum.
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Jason McIntyre
Tatum could guard four positions. He could guard, point guard, long off. I'm a Tatum guy. I. I like and a lot, but I go Tatum over, over.
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Colin Cowherd
So I would say ant3 and then I would get into the SJ or Tatum.
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Jason McIntyre
You should rank the best American NBA players. That. That would be a good list for you because you sounds like you think ant might be at right now. Number one. LeBron.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I would say that's tough. I would say because FTA.
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Jason McIntyre
American. I'm sorry.
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Colin Cowherd
So best American football player. SGA's Canadian.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Best American player. Let me think about this for a second.
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Jason McIntyre
So let me give you the names. It's Tatum is up there. LeBron is up there.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I'm not doing LeBron. He's okay.
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Jason McIntyre
Anthony Edwards. Ja Morant.
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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Jason McIntyre
Cade Cunningham.
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Colin Cowherd
He's very Brunson. Okay. Okay. I would go. It is a coin flip. I go ant. Because I do believe there's even another small level to his game. Ant1, Tatum to Kawhi Leonard again. You got to play more than 37 games. LeBron's too old. No, I mean, this is an issue with the NBA. It's gotten very international at the top.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't think that's an issue.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it isn't for us, but it is. Listen, it matters when you go play at Duke.
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Jason McIntyre
Carolina, Yukon Flag is going to be on this list.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right. Why? Because he went to Duke.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [25:40]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, so.
- [25:41]
Jason McIntyre
And he's awesome.
- [25:42]
Colin Cowherd
So I would say ant 1, Tatum, 1A. Who's 3? It's, it's, it's not easy.
- [25:50]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I. I need some more time.
- [25:52]
Colin Cowherd
So do I.
- [25:52]
Jason McIntyre
Who is on top?
- [25:53]
Colin Cowherd
Who is number three? Domestic player? It's, it's, it's interesting.
- [25:59]
Jason McIntyre
I mean, listen, I can't even do Jamal Murray.
- [26:01]
Colin Cowherd
He's.
- [26:01]
Jason McIntyre
He's from Canada. He was on the Canadian national team.
- [26:04]
Colin Cowherd
I'll throw one at you.
- [26:06]
Jason McIntyre
Don't say Paul George.
- [26:08]
Colin Cowherd
Devin Booker.
- [26:10]
Jason McIntyre
Kevin Durant. Devin Booker. They. They deserve mention.
- [26:13]
Colin Cowherd
You've not given me a 39 year old.
- [26:15]
Jason McIntyre
I like D book.
- [26:16]
Colin Cowherd
I like him, too.
- [26:17]
Jason McIntyre
He's in contention for three. Steph.
- [26:21]
Colin Cowherd
Steph Curry. How about. Here's another one.
- [26:22]
Jason McIntyre
I know he's 37.
- [26:24]
Colin Cowherd
Here's another one. Jalen Brown's four or five.
- [26:27]
Jason McIntyre
No, Curry's above Jalen Brown.
- [26:29]
Colin Cowherd
Come on. I.
- [26:32]
Jason McIntyre
Are you doubting Curry?
- [26:34]
Colin Cowherd
No, I love Curry. But you're literally. I love this topic. I feel like you're reading a 1988 sports illustrator.
- [26:41]
Jason McIntyre
Was Curry even more today?
- [26:43]
Colin Cowherd
I'm joking. I'm just. I'm thinking of all the young guys and I would go ant, Tatum, Booker. I guess I shouldn't eliminate Steph and those guys. I shouldn't.
- [26:56]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I love the Ahmed Thompson, by the way.
- [26:59]
Colin Cowherd
Goofball. Donovan Mitchell.
- [27:01]
Jason McIntyre
He's up there.
- [27:02]
Colin Cowherd
He's got to be.
- [27:02]
Jason McIntyre
He's above Jalen Brown.
- [27:04]
Colin Cowherd
Yes, yes, yes. No. Donovan Mitchell's top two or three. He's three. And Tatum. Donovan Mitchell. I apologize to that Spider is great.
- [27:13]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Well, that's. Yeah. Okay, let's move on to the Browns. And GM Andrew Berry said last week that Jalen Milroe may be the only quarterback that's faster than Lamar Jackson when he gets to the NFL. How about this one? This will surprise you. Tom Pelissaro said that Milroe is, according to coaches and scouts, the greatest runner of the football they've ever seen at the position.
- [27:37]
Colin Cowherd
No, no, I was told that. I was talking to Steve Keim about that a month ago, and now Steve Kai and Clutch. Sports represent him. But Steve said on tape, he goes, that's the best I've ever seen at quarterback.
- [27:51]
Jason McIntyre
Listen, I love Milroe. You know, I'm high on him. I would take him in the first. There's nobody that could convince me that he's a better runner than Michael Vick was at Virginia Tech. Michael Vick was unbelievable.
- [28:01]
Colin Cowherd
I would argue Lamar's faster than Michael.
- [28:04]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, according to 40 time. But do you remember Michael Vicki show Vic highlights. Yeah, go on YouTube. Michael Vick is otherworldly. That guy was his.
- [28:12]
Colin Cowherd
Listen, you're not gonna get me to say a bad word about Lamar. Mike. Lamar Jackson. And I loved Vic, but I've never seen anything in my life like Lamar Jackson, anything.
- [28:22]
Jason McIntyre
I mean, you're splitting hairs here, but it's. Yeah, may have.
- [28:26]
Colin Cowherd
Milroy may be better than Lamar. Straight line speed, but Lamar is crafty.
- [28:30]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, he's like. Like that. Final story is the Vikings. Colin, they made the decision to move off Sam Darnold. J.J. mcCarthy's their guy. Well, apparently he's working his way back in preparation for voluntary workouts, which kicked off yesterday. Here's Kevin O'Connell on his QB1.
- [28:45]
Todd McShay
We might not be talking in the.
- [28:47]
Colin Cowherd
Same lens that we did a year.
- [28:48]
Todd McShay
Ago when everything was brand new. That's the beauty of the year we've had with him, albeit without the physical reps since the injury. But there's been a lot of time on task and just once again, want to credit JJ for how he. He's handled really, these last two, two and a half, three months or so, where I think he's ready to hit the ground running as of today.
- [29:10]
Jason McIntyre
So last year you had the Denver Broncos as your, like, team of destiny. That was your team.
- [29:15]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I've had a. Let's. Let's be fair. I've hit about 4 of those in a row.
- [29:20]
Jason McIntyre
All right, pat yourself on the back more. I'm gonna make the Vikings my team next year after the Jets. I do believe I'm a buyer of J.J. mcCarthy.
- [29:29]
Colin Cowherd
Chicago is going to be way better than the Vikings. No, no, no, no. Chicago is a team. Coach O Line. Chicago's going to win.
- [29:39]
Jason McIntyre
Vikings win 14 last year. Don't act like Sam Darling.
- [29:42]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, I thought you said they're going to be better next year.
- [29:44]
Jason McIntyre
The better. They're going to be the team that I think has a sneaky run to, like, the NFC championship. Minnesota love their off season. Let's see what they do in the draft.
- [29:53]
Colin Cowherd
Sounds like you trying to get into Carolina. Two years.
- [29:56]
Jason McIntyre
Well, you met. So you were out. You were fishing in the Caribbean. But Aaron Jones, the former packers running back who's on the Vikings and during the commercial he was telling me some stuff about McCarthy. I'm all in on J.J. mcCarthy. Aaron Jones was hyper.
- [30:10]
Colin Cowherd
They won 14 games. You think they're going to be better? Well, that, that is maybe. What are they going to go 17 and 0?
- [30:19]
Jason McIntyre
I don't maybe not on the.
- [30:20]
Colin Cowherd
On the score. Jordan Love's not going to get hurt again. Chicago's going to be notably better. And Aiden Hutchinson's back for the line. O. I'm terrified. I have Vikings winning nine.
- [30:30]
Jason McIntyre
Vikings win the division. Booyah.
- [30:32]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, I would bet you a. That's your.
- [30:34]
Jason McIntyre
Oh, he was gonna say a million dollars. Well, I don't have a million dollars. You might. Mr. Elitist.
- [30:40]
Colin Cowherd
Whatever.
- [30:40]
Jason McIntyre
Mr.
- [30:42]
Colin Cowherd
Sitting next to the Kardashians tonight, I'm the elitist. I'm out there upper deck with a Bud Light. Okay, whatever. Are you done? Yes. Jay McLeodon.
- [30:54]
Todd McShay
Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping the herd lie news.
- [30:59]
Colin Cowherd
I'll be. Why don't you make a sign? Can you take a sign? NBA doesn't let you tonight. Hey, J. Mack, let us all see where's something bright orange or something.
- [31:07]
Jason McIntyre
All right, enough of me. Let's get back to you.
- [31:09]
Colin Cowherd
Okay.
- [31:09]
Jason McIntyre
Caviar cowherd.
- [31:10]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, let's we take a break. We come back. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd.
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Todd McShay
Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
Draft coverage.
- [31:20]
Todd McShay
Yep.
- [31:20]
Colin Cowherd
With the first pick, the biggest names.
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Todd McShay
That know about every player and every team.
- [31:24]
Colin Cowherd
You've got it right here. Listen.
- [31:27]
Todd McShay
As Fox NFL insider Jay Glazer, former.
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Colin Cowherd
New York jets general manager Joe Douglas.
- [31:32]
Todd McShay
College football hall of famer and former number two overall pick Levar Arrington and.
- [31:38]
Colin Cowherd
Fox Sports League college football reporter Jenny Tapp, who deliver the pick by pick coverage. This is an exciting night.
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Todd McShay
Fox draft night Live lives right here on Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
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We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.
- [33:22]
Todd McShay
And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.
- [33:25]
Jason McIntyre
So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to the 40s and free agents.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, good show today. Nick Wright, Todd McShay crushed. We appreciate that we had Nick on, you know, nick is a LeBron loyalist and there's nothing wrong with that. I do think eight days off and facing a hungry, well coached underdog is not as easy as it thinks. We all probably should have seen that coming. The Lakers just played with no physicality until it was way too late. Here's nick on a down 01 heading into game two for LA tonight. The Timberwolves over the last few years are in the regular season I think 213 when Anthony Edwards has eight or more assists and the three losses they scored a ton of points. They just couldn't get stops. They are at their best when ant is playmaking. I thought the Lakers approach would be and I think it should be ant. You're going to be single guarded and if you score 40, we'll deal with it. Basically what the Timberwolves did to Luka. The Timberwolves said, luka, if you get 40, so be it. You're not going to get 10 assists. The Lakers had the opposite approach. I think that's a mistake. Yeah. Odds makers have the Lakers favored by five and a half which feels big the way they were pushed around in game one. So that is the classic zigzag theory is something like Milwaukee was boat race by the Pacers. Now I think. I think Indiana's got better players, so that one's different. I think the Lakers have better offensive talent. So I do. That's a fascinating story. We were thinking during the break about domestic players. It's not as though there's not a lot of them. Ant 1. Tatum 2. Donovan Mitchell 3. Booker 4. Halliburton's got to be up there somewhere. He tremendous.
- [36:32]
Jason McIntyre
Obviously John Morant warrants consideration. Zion Williamson is in the discussion. I don't know if he cracks top 10. Oh, palo ban Caro I think definitely has got to be like 9 or 10. What about Lamelo Ball?
- [36:44]
Colin Cowherd
No, no. A lot of highlights. No thanks. Paulo Bancaro is.
- [36:48]
Jason McIntyre
He's very good.
- [36:49]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he's going to beaten by next year. What does he average? 24 a game. 23 a game.
- [36:54]
Jason McIntyre
When Trey Young would have been on this list like when he took down.
- [36:57]
Colin Cowherd
He has had a bad regression and he's had some pretty bad big spot performance.
- [37:03]
Jason McIntyre
Tyrese Maxey, your boy. Remember last year this time you were loving Tyrese Max.
- [37:07]
Colin Cowherd
I like him. It's just Philadelphia's.
- [37:08]
Jason McIntyre
He's on a boat in Cancun right now. Probably the same boat you went fishing on.
- [37:12]
Colin Cowherd
Hey, let me tell you something. You go if you. When you bring those Snapper in, In the Caribbean. That's not what they are actually. You know, it's, it's, that's, it's fun. That's. To get out there and go fish.
- [37:24]
Jason McIntyre
Is it? Were they just biting left and right?
- [37:27]
Colin Cowherd
I mean, I mean, they were in the water. Caribbean fishing's great. Water's 12ft deep. You can almost see them.
- [37:32]
Jason McIntyre
Were you jumping in to swim with them or.
- [37:33]
Colin Cowherd
No, no, you throw most of them back, but, you know, most. But some, you know, but the people on the boat, you know, that's. That's dinner. They love it. It was fun. They were funny people. Fishing is a lot of fun in the Caribbean. So, you know, it's not, it's not rough seas. It's aqua water.
- [37:49]
Jason McIntyre
What about you with the SPF? Are you like a 30? Are you a 50? Yeah, I'm a 50 as well.
- [37:53]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I gotta tell you this, this, this draft is interesting. There is a. You know, here's what I don't like. How many stories just connected to the Giants have there been? No, I mean, seriously, there was one when we entered the show today, a rumor about Jackson Dart, and there was one during the show today is the. Both Cleveland and the New York Giants are considering moving down. Yeah, there's just too much noise around the Giants.
- [38:19]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. By the way, you know who there's not noise around the Jets? Aaron Glenn has shut it down. Glenn in the new gm, super quiet. Like there's no leaks about the jets right now. There's leaks galore. Giants, the bad. All the bad teams. Of course.
- [38:33]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I'm, I'm. You know, you can say what you want about the quality of the draft, but there's going to be a lot of players that go in the late first round, like these Colston Loveland guys and Travy and Henderson guys. I mean, the top of the draft may not be good. There are a lot. The second round wide receivers. Four to five guys will get drafted. All will play early. There is. It's stars know starters everywhere. Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet paycor, a paychecks company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset. Your people. Are you ready to become a better leader? Visit paycor.com leaders to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders. The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
- [39:48]
Jason McIntyre
We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.
- [39:52]
Todd McShay
And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.
- [39:54]
Jason McIntyre
So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
We live in a divided country and.
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