Joe and Jada - 112 & Total on joint tour, Biggie & Bad Boy stories, Diddy fallout & modern R&B

Summary

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Episode: Joe and Jada - 112 & Total on Joint Tour, Biggie & Bad Boy Stories, Diddy Fallout & Modern R&B
Date: December 23, 2025
Guests: 112 (Mike, Slim) & Total (Keisha, Kima)
Host(s): Fat Joe, Jadakiss
Theme:
A lively roundtable of hip-hop and R&B legends celebrating the joint 112 & Total “Room 112” tour, sharing behind-the-scenes Bad Boy stories, reflecting on industry changes, the Diddy controversy fallout, and the evolution of love and authenticity in modern R&B culture.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode brings together two iconic R&B groups—112 and Total—for a vibrant, unfiltered discussion about their upcoming joint tour, their 30+ year journey in the music industry, working with legends like Biggie and Diddy, navigating the changing tides of music and culture, and what it means to maintain legacy, integrity, and authenticity in the modern era.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Legacy and the Joint Tour

• Tour Synergy:

  • Both groups emphasize energy, chemistry, and “iconic representation” (04:17), with Total expressing gratitude for being included:
    • "So happy for our brothers and just blessed to be a part of this movement... 30 years of great music. This is their first headline show, 112. We gonna get them their flowers.” — Total (F) [04:17]
  • It’s the first major headline tour for 112, and they're intent on honoring each other’s contributions:
    • "We also wanted to give Total their flowers... They have been so influential not only in music, but in fashion—just how a woman is supposed to be like a queen in this industry." — Mike (112, C) [11:01]

• Nostalgia and Impact:

  • The tour aims to bring back ‘90s R&B nostalgia and show mutual respect as “sisters and brothers” in the game.
  • Case is joining the tour as opener, adding to the “30 years” celebration. [09:59]

2. Bad Boy Era & Biggie Stories

• Being Around Greatness:

  • "You had Big all over your music. The greatest ever... what was it like working with Biggie?" — Fat Joe (B) [05:17]
  • 112 recounts Biggie’s mentorship:
    • "He would bring us with him... we learned a lot of jewels, man." — 112 (D) [05:35]
  • First meetings with Biggie were memorable, including shooting videos together in brutally cold NYC winters and witnessing pivotal moments (e.g., Big hearing "Hit Em Up" for the first time) [06:14-07:27].

• Real-life Tensions:

  • Fat Joe shares a surreal moment during the East-West rap tensions, seeing someone play Tupac’s diss while Biggie performed in Harlem:
    • “I felt like God did that to me. I knew this shit wasn’t going right. The energy wasn’t right. I said, damn.” — Fat Joe [08:17]

3. Artist Growth & Ownership

• Independence & Respect:

  • 112 and Fat Joe discuss breaking away from label gatekeeping and embracing direct ownership:
    • "We shot our own Polestar numbers up, traveled, branded ourselves... the agencies then had to retract what they said and cut the check. So exactly what you see, with 112 and Total and the whole Case situation, yes, we are getting the flowers." — 112 (D) [50:13-51:38]

• Resilience Amidst Being 'Aged Out':

  • Fat Joe reflects, “At a point, the industry called people ‘old school’ at 24, 26 years old. But our era said, 'Fuck you, we do what we want.' Jay Z, me, we took ownership." [46:54-48:53]
  • The importance of supporting "seasoned" artists and how the love from fans endures, regardless of industry ageism. [41:22-43:57]

4. The Diddy Fallout and Its Impact

• Addressing the Controversy:
  • Fat Joe asks about fear of catalog backlash amidst Diddy's allegations:
    • “Was you at the time worrying about your catalog or how people will receive your music?” [52:41]
  • Response:
    • “Nothing to the music. It made them want to hear it more... We saw our royalty shoot up like a thousand percent, because the younger people got curious—‘Who is Diddy?’ ‘What was the music?’” — 112 (D/E) [53:34-54:27]
  • Even in controversy, the legacy of the music proved resilient and gained new listeners.

5. Parenting, Culture, and Social Media in Modern Times

• Social Media’s Effect on Love & Dating:

  • "Social media ruined love. My mom and pops didn’t have us... They worked it out, no divorce, no ‘Shade Room’ blowing things up." — Fat Joe [32:38, 34:01]
  • Guest stories of guiding their daughters through an era where DMs have replaced face-to-face courtship, and where expectations about romance are shaped by social media, not reality. [35:06-36:59]

• Values and Raising Daughters:

  • Mike (112) shares about setting standards for his daughters through small gestures like opening doors—instilling what respect and love should look like—and encourages other parents to do the same. [37:07-37:46]
  • Keisha (Total) reflects on family conversations about genuine relationships, self-worth, and how music shapes expectations. [38:27-40:02]

6. Modern R&B, Vulnerability, and Lessons for Youth

• The Loss of Vulnerability:

  • "We still have good music, but we're not vulnerable in our music anymore. We don't talk about love. A real man is transparent with their partner, can talk about his feelings. That's missing." — Keisha (Total, F) [39:14-40:02]

• Generational Wisdom:

  • "We came up in a time where we pay homage. We want our fans to know this is royalty. It’s not about the culture—the message is missing." — Fat Joe (B) [40:18]
  • The group stresses the importance of teaching younger generations about industry integrity, sacrifice, and mutual respect. [41:22-43:57]

7. Musical Influences & Paying Homage

• R&B Lineage:
  • 112 credits Take 6, Commissioned, New Edition, Jodeci, and Boyz II Men as foundational influences; also learned from Whitney, the Isley Brothers, Janet, and more. [62:36-63:53]
  • Total cites Mary J. Blige, Whitney Houston, Stephanie Mills, Luther Vandross, Sister Sledge, Labelle. [66:54-67:31]
  • "If you hear him [Slim], you immediately associate his voice with 112." — Mike (C) on Slim’s unique tone [65:25]
  • Lighthearted moments about wishing they could swap singer/rapper roles [70:02-70:18], and stories of dream collaborations and mutual fanhood.

8. The Business, Sacrifice, and Pressure Of Longevity

• Sacrifices of the Game:

  • “People don’t understand what it takes to be in the music industry—how much you miss out on, graduations, birthdays, funerals...” — 112 (C) [43:57]
  • “We’re human. We have vulnerabilities as well.” — Keisha (Total, F) [43:57]
  • The grind of back-to-back shows and the realities of maintaining energy and health on tour [19:00-21:49]

• Encouragement to Support Black Music:

  • “Support our culture. People build their music comes from us, right?” — 112 (D) [43:57]
  • The episode closes repeatedly on the call to celebrate Black artists’ legacies as expansively as those in rock or pop.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Biggie’s Impact:

  • “He would give you the shirt off his back... He embraced us as family.” — 112 (D) [05:35]
  • “Our first time meeting Big was at the video shoot in Central Park. It was one degree—the coldest winter I ever experienced.” — Jadakiss (E) [06:12]

• On Industry Gatekeeping:

  • “We had to take power in our own hands and go independent. I wasn’t scared. I was like, man, these dudes... and I’ve been winning.” — Fat Joe [52:41]
  • “We believed in ourselves, we branded ourselves, and then we made the actual agencies come to us.” — 112 (D) [50:13]

• On Social Media and Love:

  • “Social media ruined love... Now the pressure coming. ‘Yo, girl, you know...’ That’s why I never did a reality show.” — Fat Joe [34:01]

• On the Diddy Fallout:

  • “Nothing to the music. It made them want to hear it more... our royalty shot up like a thousand percent.” — 112 (D) [53:34-54:27]

• On the Importance of Integrity:

  • “It's something to be said about how we treat our artists. If you're not popping, your whole catalog went away... We sacrifice for 30 years or more.” — Mike (112, C) [43:57]

• On Musical Influence:

  • “Our trifecta: New Edition, Jodeci, Boyz II Men... You had soul from Jodeci, harmonies from Boyz II Men, entertainment from New Edition.” — Mike (112, C) [63:08]

• On Legacy:

  • “Every time your music comes on—legendary. And they can’t take that from you.” — Fat Joe [02:15, 49:52]
  • “We don’t age out—Black don’t crack.” — Mike (112, C) [41:44]

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Important Timestamps

• [04:17] – Guests Introduced: Joint tour, mutual respect, tour details
• [05:17] – Biggie & Bad Boy early days
• [08:17] – Fat Joe’s story about Biggie, Harlem, East-West Coast beef
• [11:01] – 112 & Total “giving each other flowers” on tour
• [14:41] – Keisha on prioritizing family and culture over LA “Hollywood” life
• [19:00] – The logistics and pressure of touring, especially back-to-back shows
• [32:38] – On love, marriage, and social media's genuine impact on relationships
• [34:01] – Why artists of their era won’t let Instagram or “the Shade Room” dictate relationships
• [39:14] – Keisha on the lack of vulnerability in modern music
• [41:44] – On the industry and "aging out"
• [46:54] – Fat Joe on fighting industry attempts to “age out” hip hop and R&B artists
• [51:38] – How 112 & Total wrestled back business control
• [53:28] – The impact of the Diddy controversy
• [62:36]-[63:53] – Discussing key musical influences (112 & Total)
• [70:16] – Fat Joe and guests joke about wishing to swap rapper/singer lives
• [74:49]-[75:41] – Expanding the tour, more stars could join if successful

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Takeaways

• Resilience, Ownership & Legacy:
  The journey of 112 and Total exemplifies sustaining artistic identity, weathering industry storms, and claiming control of their careers after decades.

• Cultural Respect:
  An underlying message urges supporting Black music legends with the respect and longevity afforded to artists in other genres, fighting ageism, and honoring those who shaped both the sound and the culture.

• The Importance of Community:
  Despite media and business pressure to compete or separate, the artists on this panel underscore that real love, support, and camaraderie remain at hip-hop and R&B’s roots.

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For the Fans

• TOUR INFO: The Room 112 tour promises nostalgia, energy, and a reunion you won’t want to miss.
• SUPPORT: The episode closes with a call to action: Get your tickets, support the artists, and celebrate the music that’s “legendary—every single time it comes on” (Fat Joe [49:52]).

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[B]

So what I'm trying to tell y' all is this. Whether y' all don't know it, anytime your music come on, this is legendary.

[D]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Every time. Every time.

[E]

Every time.

[B]

Every time your come on. And they can't take that from you. What up, y'? All? It's Joe Crack. The biggest in the game.

[E]

What's up, y'?

[B]

All?

[E]

It's your boy, jdkiss. You know what it is. The Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic and we never let you down. Today's guest plural, two dynamic groups. When you think of synergy, when you think of chemistry, when you think of camaraderie, when you think of hit makers, when you think of arena shakers, when you think of good individuals that been able to overcome diversity, deal with the ups, deal with the downs, get rich, get richer. Go through hard times and get it again. Get even richer than richer. 30 plus years in the game. Good skin, I mean, because that's important. Ladies and gentlemen, let's make some noise for Mike, Slam, Keisha and Kima. 112 in total. Nobody got better intros than me.

[D]

That's why. No, that was fluff.

[B]

That was the best flop you got down.

[E]

It's what I do.

[F]

That's weird.

[E]

Thus far, my family, 30 plus years. You're going on tour, you're moving around, you're looking beautiful. Telling people what to expect, ladies and.

[F]

Gentlemen, you know, you can expect that energy, like he said, that synergy, that iconic representation of our hits. The tour is crazy. And listen, so happy for our brothers and just blessed to be a part of this movement, for them, giving them their flowers. 30 years of great music. This is their first headline, short 112. We gonna get them their flowers, y'.

[D]

All.

[F]

And just so honored that our brothers would tap us on the shoulders and say, y' all gotta take this journey with us. And like you just said, Jada, to be able to come back and do this again and again. Thirty years and people still supporting our music and just showing up for us, you know what I mean? So we got those classic records.

[E]

Bangers. Bangers.

[B]

I even gotta explain. Yeah, they know what it is.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

So that's.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Legendary.

[B]

That's. This feels no way to explain this. It's like, yo, that come on. This. It is what it is.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Then you had the Big all over your music. The greatest ever. Yes. At the time, you just like, all right, we got Biggie now. You know, you got some historic shit on your hands, you know what I mean? Whenever that music come, what was it like working with Biggie in that day, man?

[D]

Well, you know, both of y', all, man. Yeah, working with Biggie, that was our biggest. It's like our big brother, man, he would give you the shirt off his back, you know, when 112, we moved to New York City, you know, big shout out to Junior Mafia and Faith Evans, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, time we got there, they embraced us as family. Even when Big was doing his promo for Ready to die, man. He would bring us with him. You know what I'm saying, Faith? We was in one ride, Big was in the other. And we were following around and we, we learned a lot of jewels, man. So got a lot of with them.

[E]

I got different stories for like them that they don't know about.

[B]

Can I hear these stories, man?

[E]

Cause it's usually me ever meeting Big was that they video shoot in Central Park. It was one degree.

[F]

Oh, my goodness, the coldest winter.

[E]

I ever experienced.

[B]

It wasn't very cold.

[E]

He's trying to stay warm. You Dee, bringing us. We mean Big Puff. They shooting the video. They got that white shin on. Freezing, though. So I'm like, yo, this is like the greatest time and the worst time of my life at the same time. Our first time meeting Big was at their video shooting Central Park. Then another one of their videos. Was it Kissing you remix, Big Bad Boy, Picnic, Versace, silk shirts and all sweating. That's also the first time Big Herd hit him up. Somebody delivered them the thing. And I'm saying I heard, I listened to it. When he listened to it, he wasn't even mad. He was just really mad about whatever he said about Season Kim. But it wasn't. You would have thought he had smoke coming out of there. I mean, I ain't like that. You said that about.

[B]

You know what's crazy is I was at Harlem, right? This Biggie's on top of the world. He's performing at the State Building. He got that blue polo shirt on.

[E]

Came across the street, the sneaker store.

[B]

So I'm. So I'm. I'm out there right in the crowd. And the dude walked by me in Harlem with a boombox this big. First off, fuck your bitch. And the kicks you came, you get. I was like, I'm looking at Biggie Smalls on stage the first time I heard that record. And the dude walked by with the boombox. And what was bugging me out because the beef was real territorial. It was like, either you from New York or you from la and this is a guy from Harlem. I felt like God did that to me. He just walked by and I knew this shit wasn't going right. The energy wasn't right. I said, damn.

[E]

Didn't pound him out, Ledge?

[B]

No, he was across the street. He was just walking. I just happened to be across the street. He was just playing his favorite rapper. But I was surprised that he was bumping that while this was going on. You know, of course, guys like to get they ass whipped too, if they Come too close, they getting they ass whipped, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, I want to tell you, I was on Versus and I'm into it with Ja Rule, and I said something that came out misconstrued. Your sister had came out and I didn't even know. Hold up. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. That's my girl. I didn't even know she was backstage. He could have brought Jlo out and Mary J. I didn't know. I was just in the middle of the shit, you know, and they ran with it. But I salute your sister. I told her, sorry, 1,000 times. I tell you the same thing, you know what I'm saying?

[C]

Yo, I thought I was gonna have to pull these out real quick.

[B]

Oh, you.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

What the.

[B]

You know, when you say something nice, you take the flag back. We gotta give you an extra side right now when you say something, you know, we take the shit back.

[D]

Take it back.

[B]

But who thought of this? And this was a no brainer. This should have been happening.

[E]

No brainer.

[B]

Is it like timing where you just say, yo, let's come together, let's do this, or who thought of putting y' all together like that?

[C]

Yeah, it was definitely a timing thing. You know what I mean? It was like 30 years. They had 30 years. Case had 30. Big shout out to Case, too.

[B]

Case on the tour, too.

[C]

Case on the tour. Yeah. Case opened that shit up. You know what I mean?

[E]

So, yeah, so 30 years total.

[C]

30 years.

[E]

I'm at the.

[B]

All right, I'm going there. Stop buying the ticket.

[C]

Tickets, bro.

[A]

Come.

[B]

No, I just told him I'm sneaking into Brandy and Monica on purpose. Like, I'm not buying a ticket. I'm sneaking in. Them guys be in the back.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'm like, me plus three. I'm going. I'm rushing the show. I gotta go.

[C]

We don't buy tickets, bro.

[B]

We don't. You got a problem if you ain't right? Stick close. I'm bum brushing.

[E]

I say move.

[C]

Let's.

[B]

You're good, you're good, you're good, you're good. I don't even wanna go through. Yo, who got the tickets? Who did? Nah, I'm going in now.

[C]

Y' all good.

[B]

Stop.

[C]

Y' all good. But, yeah, that was, you know, pretty much an idea. Like, Slim and I wanted to do something really special, and we wanted to bring back that. That 90s nostalgia, you know what I mean? So we're also managed by the same.

[B]

You Know group.

[C]

And we were like, yo, aside from that, I know Keith said earlier, you know, she wanted to give 112 their flowers, but we also wanted to give Total their flowers as well. Because they have been so influen, not only in just music, but just in fashion and just how a woman is supposed to be like a queen is supposed to be in this industry and beyond, man. So they just epitomize what that means, man. So what better way for us to show that than to just have them out there and then give them their flowers as well? They sisters, for real. I'll give you a story. I know Keema get tired of me telling the same story. So I used to smoke cigarettes and shit, right?

[B]

Fucked up. Yeah.

[C]

So this is when I was flag at.

[B]

Oh, they ain't giving no flag. Don't do that.

[C]

Nah. But see, the girl need. So sis, she would take the. So we had a show.

[D]

Pow.

[C]

So we had a show with Total. And I was outside already hitting the square, right? So, you know, I'm on the block, whatever. Hitting the square.

[D]

Boom, boom.

[C]

She comes out like, her motto is, she fight niggas. All right? So that's her model. Anyway, like, she fighting. She fight niggas. You know, that's off the rip. That's her shit. You know what I mean? So I'm out stalking. So I was hitting the square.

[B]

Boom, boom.

[C]

She come out of the van. I was like, yo, sis, what's happening? Blow smack the shit right out of my hand. Like, no, off the real. Like, from that point on. From that point on was no more.

[B]

Cigarettes and sh T. So, yeah, that's real love. Tough love.

[D]

So, yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that's real love. Tough love. That was the smartest shit ever happened to you.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

You know, with cigarettes. You know, both my parents just passed away, and it was all a product of smoking cigarettes. And my mom's caught cancer early. One thing I could tell you is bullshit. That you can't quit. As soon as my mother smoked, found cancer, my father quit same. Damn. They used to smoke four packs. And it was done, right? But the damage is done. The shit is a slow leaker. It's like you got a slow flat. Ten years later, 20 years later, they got that CPO D with your lungs get wet. Water and all that. This cigarette, first of all, you an old smoking a cigarette right now, right? If you in front of a building smoking a cigarette, they know your age. You done like, they know. Yo, this guy out here smoking the cigarette. They smoking the. The. But she did the Right thing for you.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Well, Keisha, we all felt like you got rich and just sailed off to the sunset flag. I felt like, yo, you ain't need this money no more. I felt like, yo, you know, I. I get jealous of people who could retire. I can't retire. So where you about to do a sh.

[F]

Right?

[C]

Yo, give me one of those.

[F]

I read, if you will. Reconnected with my king. And being in the industry, it was a really crucial time when it was just my spirit. It wasn't working right with my spirit. And when Omar and I reconnected, he was in la. I had just shortly moved to Smyrna, Georgia. And our plan was we not gonna let this go.

[B]

To where? Smyrna, Georgia.

[C]

Smyrna, Georgia? Yes.

[D]

Smyrna.

[C]

Yes. I've been there.

[B]

I've been everywhere.

[C]

Carl County.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

So he was living in la, and our plan was to never not realize the blessing of each other, the presence of each other. We wanted to start our family. And for him, he said, I want you to do what your heart desire is. And living in la, seeing kind of how people move, I didn't want our kids to grow up, like, empty. So that was my choice when the.

[B]

Hollywood production, la, like the Beverly Hills and all that.

[F]

No, we in the cut.

[B]

Yeah, but. But the school suggestion.

[F]

My kids went to black.

[B]

You want them to have culture.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

You know, Sierra came here. She lives here now because her husband's the thing. She said she take them to the bodega here, let them hear the old man argue with the man behind the bodega.

[F]

She wanted me like, this is real life.

[B]

She like, we trying to give these people some kind of culture because the plan is to have our kids live better than us. But they gotta know, like, my daughter better know not to feed a lion estate.

[F]

That's right.

[B]

Cause your ass is gone now.

[F]

They gotta have the best of both girls, and they get that. Me from New Jersey, Omar from New.

[B]

York, you know, Smyrna, Georgia.

[F]

Huh.

[B]

I like like that. I always wanted to live somewhere like that. You know what I'm saying? Some Savannah, some like.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Never been able to, man. You know, I always been in the, like, I always want to be, like, I'm even New York, Miami gotta be hectic. I really want to chill.

[F]

So try it. So chill.

[B]

Nah. All right.

[F]

But you can find a balance. You can find a balance.

[E]

A lot of crazy things throughout this interview.

[B]

I think they know fat joint for 30 years, man. They know the dog want to chill. Go live somewhere where you can really chill. Who does that? I mean. Well, you be chilling. I'll be chilling.

[F]

You have to.

[B]

I don't know how to chill.

[F]

That's. That's where all the pieces. You know what I'm saying? But chilling is not. And then you chill.

[D]

Well, you know what? I saw you out there in Miami. I was staying in North Miami. I was in Bell harbor then. I thought, you know, you were. No, we had.

[B]

You thought I was chilling.

[D]

I mean.

[B]

I mean, I'm chilling. But let me tell you something.

[C]

Here we go.

[B]

I paid taxes yesterday. I stood home and chilled, right? My ass was in that. My ass was in that. Michael Jackson, The. The air machine. I'm in the hydro conical. Like. Like. I don't know what the. These people be doing, like, paying all the taxes. This is unbelievable. Yeah, I'm sitting up in there twitching this. My family try to keep me company, and they like. My family try to keep me company, like, yo, Joe, you want some wings or something? This. That's the only time I chill when I gotta pay that bill right there. That legendary. What.

[F]

But it's a good problem to have. That means you're doing something right. You're doing something right.

[B]

So this one you talking about a guy who used to eat free lunch and government cheese. Same. They got me back, man. They got me. They got me for all the government cheese. These got me. I done bought shitloads of government cheese with my taxes. This crazy government lobster. It's out of control. What's. That's crazy to the people. You know.

[D]

That's true.

[B]

The one thing they do got is the beautiful music. Yeah, you guys got timeless music. I sit in my pool, man, in the summer, man, I listen to y' all back to back to back to back.

[E]

How often y'.

[F]

All.

[E]

I perform back to back on y' all because I know we. We held the statesman now.

[B]

So I need a day in between. Oh, man.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

This is so. For this year, because of what was going on in the. Just in the world and the country right now. You know, what we wanted to do was, like, we wanted to make sure that, you know, people weren't trying to decide on buying Christmas presents or Thanksgiving dinner and going to concerts.

[F]

Right?

[D]

You know what I'm saying? So what we did was we scaled back for this year and we overloaded for next year. We want everybody to see exactly what you are getting. You know what I'm saying? We basically putting the sphere touching all six senses inside of theaters, you know what I'm saying? So you're getting. You're definitely getting your money's worth. And next year, it'll be, you know, back to back to back for the rest of the 15 or 18 other shows that we got.

[C]

How many backs? How many back to backs?

[B]

We got 16. 16 back to backs. Oh, no. My shit fucked up. I can't do.

[F]

That's when you.

[B]

I can't do it.

[E]

Yeah, you get the drip.

[B]

The man said, I did a three. The triple play. Ain't that some. I keep complaining, but I do three shows in one. I don't give a. I'm going to get the bag.

[A]

You gotta get.

[B]

Boca raton here, Club 11. Three in the morning.

[D]

You feel me?

[B]

So I did a show. Club 11, man, I ain't gonna lie, was the third show. I didn't have the right energy. Fluidity was like, two, three months ago. I ain't have the right energy. And the promoter who books me all the time, he great. Club 11. You go to Miami.

[D]

That's amazing.

[B]

The man hit me up and like, yo, man, you ain't had the right energy. I said, next time, I'm gonna give you double the show. I'mma have that energy. Yeah. And I slept all day.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

When I went to Club 11, like, last week, man, I'm bouncing around. I did the whole catalog for the month. Nah, you could, because we ain't got them. They the guys buying. They the hell Chopper. You let one of the tell you ain't doing right. You do about four or five. I do about four or five Club elevens a year, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And when we round that off to the nearest tent, we don't want to that bag up. You don't want that off the table.

[C]

Big told us some man a long time ago. He was like, yo, I'm gonna do matinees from now. I'm gonna do matinees, and I'm gonna do a show at night. We was like, bro, you bugging. He was like, nah, if I can get it in, you know, a matinee, like, during the day and then one at night, I'm doing that shit for, like. What did he. How much he say he was doing them shits for? But he was like, I'm bringing.

[D]

No, he was talking about making a million and fast.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was something like. But he. But he gave. He dropping jewels, right? So he was just like, yo, y' all need to do matinees. And I was like, bro, you know, we sing, so we can't really do that shit, you know, like a matinee and a show at night, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, but we. Like, where you going with that shit? You know what I mean? But he was like, yo, I'm doing a matinee.

[B]

I saw right after. Right after. First of all, I'm old, right? Like. Like season.

[D]

We seasoned.

[B]

No, no, no. If I got a late show, I'm taking the old man nap. Everything I'm in the car, I'm taking that. I got my shits is calculated. If we're driving to Jersey, I'm sleeping. I want to bring my own pillow. But what I'm saying to you is.

[C]

That'S some old man shit right there, Rich.

[E]

How good do I know? Rich, how good do I know this guy?

[B]

Let me explain something to you. Because of COVID I don't know if they realized, but they started throwing, like, brunch parties, bro. I mean, 5,000. Like, that shit was fucking lit, like, you looking on the ground, that shit. I was like, yo, we could go. We could actually lie to our wife and say we went golfing and we at the brunch. Yo, let me tell you something. Fat Joe. Fat Joe, Joe can't get away with that. But somebody not famous was in them.

[E]

Shits.

[B]

That'S coming back. It ain't on me. I ain't go to none of them shits. I'm just telling you.

[C]

Whatever.

[E]

Did you finish them?

[B]

Whoever wasn't famous, they were saying they going somewhere to work or whatever, and they was in that brunch. 12 noon, was you home at 4 o'? Clock?

[E]

How about this? I got booked at 9 in the morning. It looked like. It looked like.

[B]

You see that? That's all, by the way. No, nine in the morning, dog.

[E]

By the. I pulled up in the spinning. People was coming out, throwing up, getting walked out.

[B]

I want to know they was up from the. Why did they go?

[E]

No, I. That's what I thought. I'm thinking, there's nobody in there, and this is dead as hash Brown. I went in there, it looked like the million. It crazy at 9. I went on about 10:30, that looked like.

[B]

You hear that? I think that worked, right?

[E]

That was the illest I ever been.

[B]

Camilo, trying to get us to that.

[E]

Not a dude.

[B]

Oh, I'd be full energy at nine in the morning. All the char wasn't right. You know, the bag gotta be right. The job, that thing gotta be.

[E]

People at 10:30 in the morning was pleased. I didn't think that could even happen.

[C]

No, no, no.

[E]

They like this.

[B]

Yeah, but that's what I'm talking about. They were throwing parties like that first thing in the morning, 5,000 people popping champagne. This, this. Those are seasoned folks that came out at that time. They don't want to do that. Three in the morning, Two in the morning. They'll be dizzy by the time.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes, sir. A normal person, not a rapper who's used to that time. It's three in the morning. I ain't gonna.

[E]

I'm early. I go to the studio in the.

[B]

Morning after the gym.

[D]

See, that's what I'm talking about.

[F]

Okay.

[D]

Hey, I thought it was.

[B]

Are you guys still in the studio? Like, in the studio?

[D]

Yes, yes.

[B]

So what's that, like a, like the clubhouse?

[D]

Well, we all have our own studio, but we're, we're. We love starting, like, in the morning.

[E]

Yes.

[D]

You know? Yeah, because I mean, your voice is nice and refreshed. You just woke up up, you know what I'm saying? We do our little regiment, man. Let's go.

[B]

I think I gotta buy a studio. He in the studio every day. I'm not in the studio.

[C]

Yeah, why not?

[D]

Gotta, Gotta stay posh.

[B]

Too much. Too much life going on.

[C]

Too much money.

[B]

I go there when it's time. No, I ain't got too much money. No search. No, sir, I ain't got too much time. My thing is like, I, I. It sounds whack, but it's like, I gotta, like, motivate myself to go to the studio now. And before, it was like, I'm in the studio every day. I don't care. Now I gotta be like. Like, now I'm in a fucked up position. I told one of my best friends on Earth, Belovey, I'm going to dinner with him tonight. And I've been excited for that all day. Now y' all tell me y' all in Brooklyn.

[E]

Bring him.

[B]

This ain't going there.

[E]

Six, seven in the show.

[B]

Six, seven. Y' all got me six, seven, over.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I'm up. I'm like, damn, I'm going.

[F]

Can you do early dinner?

[E]

I'm there.

[B]

Yeah, I think it might be an early dinner. What time y' all get on stage?

[F]

They go on there, 8, 15 for Mace, right?

[E]

I like that.

[C]

We go on at 10, case.

[B]

I said Mace for Case. Case was the man. Back in the day, the ladies love Case. Back in the day, they still love Case, right? He looked like a whole problem.

[D]

If you were to see he was going crazy, they were going crazy.

[B]

I'm trying to say certain ladies.

[C]

Here you go. Let me see which one.

[E]

Get ready.

[B]

They always bring his name up when we talk about that era is like the case. Case was outside. Yeah.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Is what I'm trying to take. Certain 80 friends of mine, they'd be like, yo, problem and like that, you know, you know he was out there.

[D]

That's okay.

[B]

Face is outside.

[D]

You know, they didn't have social media, so you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Thank God we came up in the time with no.

[C]

Amen.

[B]

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[B]

My mom's and pops ain't have a dollar. And they was together for 50 something years. And no matter what up she did or whatever the case may be, they worked this out.

[E]

Moms and pops was around before electricity.

[B]

It was Billy Pig talking about social media. What I'm saying is, thank God we come up at a time where it wasn't social media. Because they force you to leave your partner now before you discuss with your partner. Now that, yo, I think this ain't working out. They throw the line on the Shade Room. They like, done. Fat Joe had an argument in public. It's over. And then now the pressure coming. Yo, girl, you know, that's why I never did a reality show, Facts. Cause I was like, now everybody in your. It's something. You go through something with your wife or your husband, y' all could work that out. Now it's on TV and your friend is giving her advice. And that, yo, I don't know about this. He talking like this. I'd have definitely got thrown out of my house if I had a Fat Joe show or the Cartagenas done deals. Because I'm weird, I'm unorthodox. But my wife understand me. But if you watching on tv, you like him, get rid of him. Girl.

[C]

I feel you on that.

[B]

Everybody accustomed to their partner. Certain people certain way, you know what I'm saying? But you know, that social media shit, it's hard for the youth.

[E]

It is.

[B]

It's a lot of pressure for the youth in every way, shape or form, you know.

[F]

Same thing as dating, huh? No such thing as dating. Like asking a girl, they don't know.

[B]

How to talk to each other.

[F]

My daughter speaks about that all the time. Like, they be right next to you sliding in the DMs.

[E]

In and out of be gorgeous.

[B]

Safe to say it's easier for guys now before you have to jump out the whip and be like, hey, what's up, girl? What's going on? You know you got had that Luther Van Jorce when you pull up on the whip. So once. Once you get in the whip. That should come house. It's not all they'll probably do now. They take them on a date and they on the phone right next to him like, you want to sold it? Sure. I think guys are bolder. Younger guys are bolder now through the text than they are in person.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, that could be.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

But you know what's crazy about it is like the standard is like pushed because I tell my sons, I'm like, look, do not pay attention. Understand what entertainment. Social media is entertainment. But you got some people who actually live that they'll look at certain people that they look up to and say, oh, she wears this. Oh, that's where they go to or whatever. I require you to take me first time. You know what I'm saying? You'll spend about a thousand dollars on dinner. It's got to be this first way before we even know each other.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

And it's true.

[C]

Remember the. What's that bullshit list that your places you couldn't.

[B]

Don't listen, listen.

[C]

Every last one of my girls.

[B]

Olive Gard and Robbers. I think the women. Hold up. Cheddar biscuits.

[C]

Hey, man, listen. Taco freaking Bell, bro. If she loves you. If she loves you.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[F]

We want to eat a little health.

[C]

You gotta.

[E]

You gotta Taco Bell for a datish.

[B]

See, I never Taco Bell did CVS eating I'm fat joke. So I'm gonna eat steak and lobster every night no matter what. You come along for the ride. I don't give a right. But my thing is, I think the woman won. Like, they, they won. Why? Because guys, they won? Yes, because the guys are like manipulators and you gonna get over on whoever you gonna get over. So sometimes a girl didn't know her worth back in the day and before she figured that shit out, you don't. You done ran through you outta here now. At least now they know through Instagram. They like, yo, this is a Kelly. Like, you wanna take me out? This is a Kelly. Her mess. Go work, get your weight up right. Know what I'm saying? And these guys, I don't know what the fuck they doing to get the shit. Cause it seemed like Everybody got a $20,000 bag on Instagram.

[C]

See, that's the reason why, like. So I got daughters, right? I got two daughters, 18 and a 13 year old. So ever since they were little girls, I would always open doors for em. Yes, ma', am. No, ma'.

[E]

Am.

[C]

And you know Just so they know, this is the standard. So my 18 year old, like now, she. Both my kids, like, they'll sit there and wait like my, you gonna get this door? Like, you know, it's the, it's the look, you know, so. But it's already in their head now, so they know that there's a standard to how I'm supposed to be treated. So that's, that's how, you know, I did it, man. With mine, man, like, and, you know, and I, I, I would advise and I, and I would encourage any man or any woman that has daughters to like, treat them as if how you want them to be treated when they are in somebody else's. Yeah, man, it's like, yeah, it's definitely Southern hospitality. But it's just I want whomever she, she ends up with to treat her the same way that I treat her.

[D]

You know what I mean?

[C]

So that's why I'm opening doors and yes, ma', am, I'm listening. And I'm doing all these things because, you know, raising girls is a lot different, my boy. Like, them dudes, like, you know, stop. You know, cut that out. But the girls, you have to, you know, you have to actually listen. And then they could have told you that. Yeah, it was red yesterday, it's blue today. You know, it's the same thing we're talking about, but it's red today, tomorrow that shit is blue, okay? And I'm like, babe, we just talked about the same, you know what? I'm a girl, you know, so talk.

[F]

That king talk, that king talk.

[B]

Everything you saw in this industry and life and everything how you deal with having a young daughter, I think it's.

[F]

Just, it's kind of more like what Prince was saying, Mike. It's what you put what you instill in them is raising them that way to show her what she's deserving of. And having real conversations. In our house, we have real conversations. It's always our little lounge room, living room. Comfy in there, you know, we got the TV going, we eat together, and you sit down, you have real conversations. Our kids, we have, we've been blessed to have really great relationships with my son, who's 17, and my daughter Kamari, 21. We have real conversations. It's like, talk to your dad. There's some game I can't give you. I can give you what I have as a woman, but there's some game I can't give you that. Your father can give you that. It makes all the sense in the World. And maybe if it don't make sense right now, eventually it will.

[C]

That's right.

[F]

But just take his word, because she. That's the first man that she trusts.

[C]

That's right.

[F]

But I also think a lot we gotta change what's in the music, because that's the driving force of how people show up. How the guy approaches the female, how the male approaches. You know what I mean? How the female approach what she's expecting. We have real conversations like, nah, that's not fair that they going out. They're 21. They going out. You expecting the guy to buy you this and buy you. Where are you getting the money from? You know, So I think with the music, we still have good music, but we're not vulnerable in our music anymore. We don't talk about love. Like, it's this whole thing, like, with men and, you know, the stuff that men. Y' all gotta carry so much and saying y' all can't be a man. A real man is transparent with that partner. He can talk about what his feelings are, you know?

[B]

You know, I just had this conversation with nephew, his son, where he was like, you know, some artists of today, they just want to get the. Whatever the bag is. The bag is stupidy, yabity, yabity. They're gonna do that for the bag.

[F]

Yeah, right?

[B]

We come up a time where we pay homage. We had De La Soul. To me, they're gods, the legends of all legends. Gods of gods. So when we come, I want my followers or my fans to know, yo, this is fucking royalty, right? And they kind of like missing that with the youth, where they just like, it's not about the culture. It's not about the message. It's not about. It's more like stick them up wherever, you know? And that shit don't last long, right? And so that integrity is what's missing. And whenever we have the youth, because all the time we doing this, we teaching, right? So that's what this show is all about, Teaching. There's people need to hear that, people dealing with that. It's people who need to hear everything we saying, you know, out there, who really been following you for 30 years, following us for 30 years. And they're like, all right, cool. Because everybody dealing, everybody got teenage daughters, guys coming up in the game.

[C]

It's great that you touched on that, though, bro. Cause that's one thing that we. One of the main reasons why we wanted to do this tour outside of, you know, getting at that bread. But real rap, there is something to be said about the way that we treat our culture and we treat our artists that is seasoned, if you will, versus like, rock music. And talk slow to him, Mike.

[E]

We don't age out over here. Black don't crack.

[C]

We don't age out. Like, we get better over time. And it's like, if you're a certain age in R and B and in hip hop, you're considered old or antiquated or whatever. But, you know, in rock world right now, Aerosmith. Aerosmith right now, if they was to like, yo, we're going on tour right now, that shit'll be sold out in, like, two minutes. Forget about it.

[D]

You know, it's okay.

[E]

You know what I mean?

[C]

And so we gotta give. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

[D]

And, you know, just to add on to it, man, we definitely have to get out on our genres as far as support York, too. Like, I went to a Pearl Jam concert one time, right?

[C]

Big shout out to Pearl Jam. Love. Get out of here.

[D]

The lead singer was young, but he sounded just like the lead singer.

[C]

Right, right, right. He was a new. He was a new.

[D]

He was a new man. But the people there, they were, like, embraced in the music. So once. So I'm sitting there, I'm just soaking in all the energy, you know what I'm saying? My mind is a catalog. It's crazy. And all of a sudden, the people that was around started noticing who I was, and they were like, hey, man, well, we don't see y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

We don't see you. You know what I'm saying?

[E]

Whatever.

[B]

Whatever.

[D]

And I was like, man, you know, because things wasn't the way it was the way it was at the time. And they were like, look, I don't care how we hear this music. We just want to hear this music. Hey, I can't name three people up in here, but when that record came on, that whole stadium lit up. And it's just unfortunate that, you know what I'm saying, people don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But to even get there, we're already, like, told what we can't do from the time we first started, you know what I'm saying? So for us to get to this situation right here, like, we at our 30th year, and you're. You're seeing us and you're hearing us and you're feeling us at this level right here, we've already won at this point, you know what I'm saying? So I'm going to encourage everybody out there. You Know what I'm saying? Hey, man, support. Support our culture. You know what I'm saying? People build their music comes from us, right?

[C]

And we got to walk that walk. We gotta. We gotta walk, try to walk it. Because I'm a Grammy voter, too, so, you know, I made it a responsible, like, I felt incumbent, right, to not only just talk about the fact that, yo, man, they always voting for the same people. Nah, bro. Now I'm a Grammy voter, so, like, I'm gonna do my part as well and just, you know, all the artists that I love and that I know that don't get that kind of support that, you know, that the majors will just put behind or whatever. So, like, it's more than just saying, you know, we should support whatever. It's actually doing the actions or whatever, man. But, you know, it is something to be said about how we treat our. Is like, if you're not popping, if you're not relevant at the time, then it's like your whole catalog went away, and it's like your whole body of work. We sacrifice everybody. Everybody here has 30 years or more of sacrifice. Like, people don't understand what it takes to be in the music industry. How much shit you have to give up, how much shit you miss. You miss out on graduations, birthdays, funerals, all this other stuff, man, just to. It's crazy. We knew what it was, what the Bible say, To whom much is given, much is required, right? So we've been given a lot, but at the same time, we had to give a lot as well, man. So I don't think that part of the industry never gets talked about enough. Or if it does, it's like y' all complaining. Y' all rich. You know, y' all millionaires and all this other stuff, man. So, you know, y' all don't have a right to complain. You don't have a right to, you know, and no, we're human. We're just as human as everybody else there. And like Keisha was saying earlier, we have vulnerabilities as well. And the great thing about it is, like, you guys, platform. We're able to speak on these kind of things or whatever, because for so many years, we were unable to speak about the fact that. Yo, man, like, I'm sick as a dog right now. Not sick and contagious like, anything like that, but, like, vocally. I don't know how I'm gonna do this show tonight, but I'm gonna push through. But people don't wanna hear that shit. They, like, Yo, I paid my money. I need you singing tonight. You know what I mean? So some kind of way I'm gonna push through it. But it's that thing. It's those things that people don't understand, you know what I mean? And. And so I'm glad that we're able to. And I want to thank you guys as well on behalf of total and.

[E]

112 or something over there.

[C]

Give me a medicine ball, son.

[B]

I'm thinking like, this is psychiatrist. Put some vodka in there right now, right? Because I'm sitting back here listening to y' all and I'm saying to myself a couple of things. The reason why I started this, saying what took so long for y' all to collaborate together and do this? Because to me, if I was around y', all, this was a no brainer, Right? Right. With no disrespect. Let me. Let me give you. I like to tell a humbling story of mine before I tell somebody a humbling thing, right? So I remember I went through the taxes, you know, they took all my money. I was up. I went to see Pitbull, said, you know, Pitbull said, yo, Joe, come see me, right? So I go see Pitbull. His house is on the war like. Like, you know.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

I took Pit Bull's demo to TVT and got him his record deal. Me, Fat Joe, now I come to him, I'm at the brokenness of my life. He's on the water. He's buying hospitals and schools. All types just take that. He was like, yo, Joe, I want to give you some money. What can I do to help you? I was like, yo, Pitt, you can't give me no money. I don't get down like that. But Joe, let me give you some. Like, he really was probably the only person begging me to give me some money, right? And I was like, yo, Pitt, how you get this shit? He said, that's easy. I watched every mistake you made. He said, you should have signed Lil Wayne when he came to Miami. You should have signed Rick Ross. You could have signed Pitbull. You could have signed. He said, I watched everything you did. And I did the opposite. Now, I had to take that criticism at the time. I had to look at it and be like, damn. And just reevaluate mistakes and shit I did and how I had to move. And so what I'm telling you is because of this era, it was a time I was really pissed, right? Because they was taking guys like you, right? Say you lost your deal when you 26 years old. They were like the old school at noon and playing 112. And everybody I grew up with, and I'm like, yo, I'm old school at nudies. Motherfucker's only 24, right? And then I feel like that era really let them do that to them. You know, we from an era. We say, fuck you. We doing whatever the fuck we gonna do. So with us, Hip Hop, I think, like, Jay Z took ownership. I mean, everybody started just taking ownership, saying, fuck y'.

[F]

All.

[B]

We gonna do what we wanna do. And if you say, you know how many times I have friends tell me, yo, it's over, right? Like, I had one of my best friends tell me, yo, you should quit already. It's over. I'm like, what? I came out with lean back. Like, two months later. I was like, are you talking about.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Every time when we did all the Way Up, I'll tell you this story. I was coming to studio, these kids already had yellow hair, green hair, looking at me like the old on the couch. Yo, what's up, og? What's up, Unc? Walking through, you know what I mean? Like, they thought I was washed. And then we come all the way up. This shit go number one, right? So it's like, I never let them dictate what we doing. Like, right now, we jump up in the podcast space. We a little late, but we had to come do this because they gotta hear y' all and your side of the story. And with. And we gotta teach. It's all about teaching, you know, this is what we do. Whether we have the youth, we have the OGs, whatever the case may be, there's no question. So what I'm trying to tell y' all is this. Whether y' all don't know it, anytime your music come on, this is legendary.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Every time, Every time.

[E]

Every time.

[B]

Every time your come on. And they can't take that from you. So you got something. God bless you with something that you could go 10 years from now, the total 112 talk. Who gives a fuck? They want to see it again.

[E]

They want to hear.

[B]

And then the. The more mature the fan, the more they got money in their pocket to spend.

[D]

So. So let me just say this. We're definitely in line. Exactly what you're saying. So 112 hoes movement, you know what I'm saying? Big shout out to our management team, you know what I'm saying? Like, years ago, you know what I'm saying? We got a chance to actually put the reins in our hands, where, you know, when people were like shutting the door saying, no, we don't think you're up to this standard or whatever we did. What we did was we shot our own polestar numbers up and we traveled around the world. We believed in ourselves. We brand ourselves, and that's what we did. And then we learned the knowledge of the game and then we made the actual agencies come to us. So with this tour that you see, we earned it. We earned it by selling out whatever place that they put it. So whether it was, yes, arenas no, and what we did was we sold it out for years. And those same agencies then had to retract what they. What they said and now had to cut the check. So exactly what you see, you know, with. With 112 and you see in total and the whole case situation, yes, we are getting the flowers and thank you. Thank everybody out there. But I just want everybody to understand that this is a business too. And you know what I'm saying?

[B]

We.

[D]

You have to earn it. It's less of that talk. We always come just like, thank you. You know what I'm saying? Whatever, but it's a reason. It's just like how you all created this podcast. You didn't say, oh, it's so many other podcasts or whatever. No, y' all took it and then. Yeah, that's why y' all number one. So you know what I'm saying? So thank God for our people. Thank God for our people that, you know what I'm saying? Saying, believed in us.

[B]

Run this.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Ownership.

[D]

Exactly.

[B]

Boston. And so we got freedom. We talk to whoever we want to talk to. We do whatever the we want to do and we don't give a And that was the difference. No, it's the truth.

[D]

No, it's the truth.

[B]

No, it's real difference between when we all came up to now. I hated, right, being signed to a major level label. Fat Joe the gangster scared. They even talk to me. Their lips are shaking in the street. I gotta talk to this bozo, John Wolfington, and be like, hey, could you really promote my record?

[C]

Could you?

[B]

You know how embarrassed I would have been in the streets that they would have seen videos of that shit? Yo, could you really. Are you gonna put the push the button this time, buddy? I bought you some sandwiches so you could, like, fuck out of here. I had to take power in my own hands and go independent. I wasn't scared. I was like, man, these dudes and I've been winning, but it's about taking the power in your hands. I want to ask you a question. Don't want to answer. It may be a little something, but with the controversy, do you worry about. Not now. Obviously not. But was you at the time worrying about your catalog or how people will receive your music? I know it had nothing to do with you, but you know, y' all fall in that whole thing. Anybody want to answer that?

[C]

That so so do we clip. We're talking about did it right.

[B]

You know what we talking about?

[E]

Nothing to the music.

[C]

I just want to.

[E]

It made him want to hear it more.

[D]

Exactly.

[E]

We thought about it, but it wasn't. But it cross your mind until they play and you see how the no.

[B]

People still love you. And it has really nothing to do with. Nothing to do with you. Nothing to do with us at all. But at first you said same music. At first you said, yo, this might be our up. Like because you could catch it. It was not so much more something you just thought about like, you know.

[F]

It could possibly been a trickle effect, but.

[D]

So I'm gonna tell you something like. And big shout out to Tony Neal out there for core dj. So. So he called me. That's my homie. He called me when the first. When it first popped off. And I was like, well, well, you got to look at on one side. You know what I'm saying? We saw our royalty shoot up like a thousand percent.

[B]

Why?

[D]

Because the younger people didn't even know. Got curious who did he and stuff. You know what I'm saying? At first, what was the music? But they said, what is the music? So who are these people? That's whatever. And then it was like somebody go to jail.

[B]

That sparked for some reason.

[D]

That's what it is. So then I said, okay, well now this is what we're going to do. Because what he was worried about was, oh man, I wonder what I heart radio and what's gonna do. So he put me on the phone with somebody that was an executive. And I was like, hey, because I already know how it feels like when you end when you go independent and now you're the CEO of your own stuff, your conversation goes different. It's not like you're sitting sheepishly as an artist. You're now the CEO. And I know. Cause I dropped so fly and it went double platinum independent, right?

[B]

Talk that shit.

[D]

So you make a phone call, you say, hey, hey, I'm gonna talk to the person who runs the southeastern side of you know what I'm saying? Walmart. Hey, how come my stuff is not Here or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Make it happen. Same thing what Tony did. He put me on the phone with somebody from Iheart, and it happened. And I know.

[E]

We.

[D]

Underwear.

[B]

Yo. Tony. Neal, man, we love you, man. We thank you for all the years of supporting us as artists.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[B]

You always been true to the game, man. We love you, brother. You know, here. We get them. We get them flowers, you know what I'm saying? You know? Yeah, man, he just caught the blessing on the. On the humble, you know what I'm saying? On the walkthrough. Somebody gonna tell him, yo, you seen the podcast? They was bigging you up. Tony, bro, he might be just about to close the deal. Somebody need to hear that, like, hey, they bigged up. Tony. Neal. That's. Yeah.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

I was worried about it, right? So, you know, I worry about everybody. Let me tell you something. I thought about. I was gonna say, yeah, all right. What you said about anybody. I worry about everybody because the oppressors. The oppressors, the people who've been playing with us in this business, they always try to make us feel like we don't love each other. Yeah.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, we not really, like, in the class of whatever. Whatever the case. And that's a lot. The minute I hear somebody sick, somebody pass somebody this. Somebody this, I hurt.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Even though I don't see y' all every day, I just be like, damn, man, what the fuck? Whatever. They have you thinking that it's all competition, that we don't love each other, but we really love each other.

[D]

Our situation, I'm telling you, keep it real. That much shot up tremendously. That's for a person that. You know what I'm saying? You can control yourself, turn a negative to a positive.

[F]

But we here.

[D]

Yeah, we here.

[B]

Oh, no, no, no. You're more than here. You guys represent a time of music that cannot even be matched.

[E]

That's right.

[B]

Or duplicate.

[D]

That's an era. You know what I'm saying?

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[B]

What's your man? Stephen A. Smith, you know, you, too, bro. Stephen A. Smith came on. He was like, yo, man, you know. You know, my mic up at the Yankee World Series, it was an honor for me. I grew up five blocks away. So they put the delay on my dog. So he talking about, yo, Ice Cube did it flawlessly. I said, bro, I practiced three times a day. The was perfect. When they turned it on, the had a delay. There's nothing I could do about it. But I almost felt like he was. Was disvaluing my motherfucking monsters. My number one Billboard, all them shits I played in Yankee stadium was number one. Billboard 100, number one. Not the fucking. This chart and that chart. So my brother Steven, when I went home and I thought about it, I said, yo, Steve, you discrediting that? That ain't no regular coming on facts. Nothing to stop me. I'm all the way up. You can't discredit them missiles.

[D]

Come on, man.

[B]

We know Ice Cube, the God of gods, and we're gonna salute the man.

[C]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[B]

Unless you play in the big three. Huh?

[F]

I said all of us.

[B]

Put us all in the movie, God damn it. But my thing is, they can't discredit your catalog. You know, I was listening to you the other day when you. What's the part of the song that you go like, tony, Tony, Tony. Feels good. You couldn't wait to do that. You. Yo, yo, J. You couldn't wait to go. Feels good.

[D]

Hey, man, who.

[B]

Some of the guys influenced you because, you know, you guys are legends to everybody. Who influenced you.

[C]

Well, our sound originated from take six and Commission. So those two gospel groups, they gave us that initial sound and then big shout out to Tim and Bob, who basically molded our sound into what it was. But our three, like we always say, we have a trifecta, right, of three groups that always were, like, the tier before 112, and that's new Edition, Jodeci and Boys and Men. It's like. So those three was, like those pioneers, like, Untethered. You had the soulfulness from Jodeci. You had the harmonies and the songs and the beautiful songs. Well, Jodeci. Beautiful songs as well. From Boys to Men. And then you had the overall entertainment aspect from New Edition. So that was a trifecta as far as 112 was concerned. And then we were that tier underneath, you know, some of those guys. So, like, that's how we looked at it. But we also had, like, major influences everywhere. Cause we toured with Whitney and the Isley Brothers and Janet and. And Puff Daddy and the family. New Edition. So we all, like you said, taking it back and paying homage. We learned something from all of them. Like, you know, we learned how to be, you know, classy with the Isaac Brothers. We learned how to embrace an entire audience with Whitney, and we learned how to be entertainers with New Addition. And, you know, it was just. It was all those lessons, man, we learned from. So we learned from everybody, man. We learned from Total. We learned from the Locks. This crazy shit is like, when we first met the Locks, we thought Mace was. Was in the group. We thought Mace was what, like the fourth member of the Locks. We first. That was crazy. We thought. We thought.

[B]

I can't wait till I give this man this check, right? I can't wait till I give him the biggest check this man ever seen in his life. I can't wait, right? He. Cause he with me, but he know I got the master plan. Don't worry about. I know how to get to the gala, you know what I'm saying?

[D]

Who are some of your influence, man, you know? Well, for me, having an untraditional voice, man, like, I always looked at artists like, you know, Raphael, Sadiq, Stokely or something like that. Babyface, El DeBarge, Ron. Yeah, man. So it's just like the people who had different style voices where, you know, first, like, if they whisper, you know exactly who they are. So I had to understand my voice and find my place, you know what I'm saying? Thank Print Mike for understanding, like, okay. He doesn't have the most traditional voice, but he'd be in the group, you know what I'm saying? And I just felt like my part of being in the group was, you know, of course, whatever the harmonies are, what we supposed to do. But when it's my turn to sing, then I need to understand my voice and understand, like, okay, when you sing Slim, you know what I'm saying? That's gonna differentiate us from anyone else.

[B]

You know what was crazy?

[C]

When Slim first got in the group, he didn't sing any leads. He was not. He didn't sing any leads whatsoever, Right? Puff sat us all down and was like, yo, this y' all lead singer. And at first we were like, yo, you bugging. You know what I mean? Because, like, we don't have a lead singer. Yeah, we didn't have any weak links or whatever, but he understood the business aspect of it. And it was like, yo, this dude got one of the most distinctive voices on earth. Like, if you hear him, you immediately associate his voice with 112. So that didn't belittle the rest of us, you know what I'm saying? As far as what we were able to contribute. But you've heard my voice before. I'm one of them David Ruffin, Sam Cooke kind of dudes. You know what I mean? So that's. You heard that Donny Hathaway. Yeah, Donny Hathaways. You heard that? Soulfulness. You heard that before? So. But with him, you've never heard a dude like that before, Even with all the people that he said he was influenced by. Why you never really heard his voice before, right? Because we had, what, Drew Hill.

[D]

Who else was out next?

[C]

Next as yet.

[B]

You seen, when the man punished his little son, he made him do the Drew hill. Give me 10 more. Doing the Drew Hill.

[C]

We gonna make him do some 112 choreography. They could be sweating.

[D]

Yeah, take a look.

[B]

When I have a choreography.

[C]

Hey, yo, y. Y' all need to do one with. It's over now.

[B]

Do the choreography on that.

[C]

Them kids will never do anything bad.

[B]

In their life again.

[C]

They'll never do nothing bad in their life again.

[B]

Who influenced y'? All?

[F]

Mary J. Blige. Total. Yes. Yes. As far as total. Growing up, for me, it was Whitney Houston, Stephanie Mills, Luther Vandross.

[B]

Oh, come on. Those are my favorites.

[F]

By the Even Sister Sledge Shock. Like, like. And then I remember, as far as, like, our presentation and our delivery in style, it was the labelles. Yeah, that's what Puff. That's what Puff saw.

[B]

You know, you. That's crazy, because you got some of my top fives, too. That's nuts. Stephanie Mills, she the queen, you know?

[F]

So happy for her, this moment that.

[B]

She'S right now, right? I told her, yo, babe, I knew ahead of time, you know, Stephanie Mill, my girl, you know, know we on a different level. You know what I'm saying? We got matching furs. You know, one year she came, she had a show. I can't pull up with the pink chinchilla down to her ankles. She didn't even know why I gave it to her. I said, here you go. Where it would help Stephanie Nil's my girl. Don't do that. Why? I didn't do anything.

[E]

I'm just sitting it.

[F]

I love y'. All. The synergy is funny.

[B]

Hold up, hold up. Baby Face. My. You know he come to my birthday parties. This is not a lie. You could Google this. He don't believe it when I tell him I'm cool with people.

[F]

So you can call Baby Face. Because me and Kim are looking for a record.

[B]

Super facts. I could call Baby Face. I tell them, get them. I don't know if I'm going to get him the record. I can't tell you what the man. You want me to tell him I can get baby fat?

[F]

I'm not.

[B]

Man, I can't even believe I know.

[F]

Cuz we can't say what should have been because it could have been. It should have been, right? It's going to be every time.

[B]

You sound like dead in the middle of Little Italy over there.

[F]

I was doing. What did you do earlier?

[B]

Oh, I didn't even know what the. Earlier it was. Keisha, I'm fried. I tell them, though. Some people don't know when they fry. I know I'm fried, right? I fry. I'm more. I Did y' all forget everything? I don't give a man. You know what I'm saying? Yo, I'm like a nice horse. You. You put the blinders on me and say the bags that way. And I'm going, I gotta go get that. That's what it's all about.

[C]

That's what's up.

[B]

But yeah, Stephanie Mills, man, she's everything to me. You know, she went back to Stephanie. The moment she had on Tick Tock.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

When everybody. We did it. We went super viral, huh? You were scared to do that, man. You ain't want to sing like that.

[E]

That ain't my style.

[B]

I hit him with the Euro step.

[C]

You singing?

[B]

They know I have moves.

[E]

I was doing the singing.

[B]

He was doing the dance.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

This is wild.

[B]

He didn't want to do the dance. I said, yo, I will wish. Let me tell you something. If I could throw my whole rap career in and be a R and B singer, I would have did it long time ago. I think Remy, too. Remy would have did the same. Like, we fake singers. We want to sing.

[C]

No, we love.

[B]

You know, it's like, you see Kima want to rap. Kima want to rap. She smart.

[E]

You see Kima rap.

[F]

Slim did a the Stephanie Mills joint with us.

[B]

Y' all did it, man.

[D]

But, see, they threatened me they threatened me, cuz they straight.

[B]

So you was doing the old school dance? Man, I was going.

[D]

Going hard on the whole school.

[B]

You gotta go hard on that gonna.

[D]

Be on the tour. So. I mean, yo, man, I seen so.

[B]

Many mothers force their little kids 11 years old to do the old school. They jumping up and down. They doing the Drew Hill. The New Edition. The New Edition. Do me a favor. Yeah, you 45, 50 plus. I'm going to the New Edition show. I always do. Don't do the dad. Yeah. Don't do the routine. Don't if it is. Don't do that. It's not allowed. That's like LeBron J doing the young. They can't do that no more. It's over.

[D]

No, I need new addition to do their steps, man.

[B]

We need them to do their steps. If you a grown ass man, don't do the steps. Let them do it. Let. I got friends of mine that be.

[F]

Trying to do it.

[B]

Real guys, 20 in jail if it is the I'll be like your mom.

[D]

But you know what though?

[B]

We.

[D]

Hey, we got a whole bunch of, you know, man, hardcore cats be coming out there and just waiting to singing Cupid. It's like, yeah, you know what you do?

[B]

I sing it like that too.

[D]

That's what I'm talking about.

[B]

Nothing you could do with that when that's a cupid.

[F]

That Cupid said last night was amazing. And player, y' all have to come see the show. I'm sorry, like, it took me back. I'm like, I just became a new fan of y' alls in rehearsal. So now we're new fans again and seeing this show. Y' all have to come see if.

[B]

We can cancel dinner tonight.

[F]

Crazy. Y' all gotta come to the show, Rich.

[B]

I'm cancel dinner tonight. I gotta come to the show.

[C]

You gotta come. That was awesome.

[E]

That was awesome.

[B]

I gotta come to the show. You hold up on me. It was an all hip hop show. I think Sacramento or something.

[D]

Exactly.

[B]

I don't know what the you was doing in Sacramento, but he pulled up.

[D]

Big shout out to E40.

[B]

Join on, throw a song on. Came and bodied the whole stadium.

[D]

Exactly.

[B]

I knew it.

[D]

Come on now.

[B]

No Slim body the whole stadium.

[D]

Yeah, man. Big shout out to all my family out there, all the friends out there in Sacramento. Everybody know. I'm like, I'm an Oakland Raiders fan. So you know what I'm saying? Through and through. So you know what I'm saying?

[B]

You know who. I did that one time too. I was on a Run. I caught you in Sacramento. And in here, I had Elder Barge. He finally showed up. You know, I've been chasing Elder Barge.

[D]

Come on, bro.

[F]

Goodness.

[B]

That man don't show up to. I. I booked him for my birthday. Elder bars don't show up to. Oh, come on.

[C]

No.

[B]

He ain't been paying attention to my birthday parties. Elder bars, we had them to the point of where I was technically Brack. I had Swiss beats. Got this like, 3,4 million dollar cost of with two seats.

[D]

Holy.

[B]

Some European. So I see. Yo, Swizz. Because to me, Elder Barge, like, oh, my God, he's like a dog, right? So I said, swiss, I need you to pick up Elder Bars maybe a block away and just pull up in front of the. With the. Swiss was coming with the four. He came with the four million. You know, he got shit that's out of this world. So Swiss was like, all right. So Elder boss never got on that plane. You know what I'm saying? I was hurt. What you want me to do? He get on the. But one day, he's in New York. He's like, yo, Joe, I'm here. I'm like, you hear here? He's like, yo, I'm here. I was like, all right, pull up with me. We did Madison Square Garden for Dave Chappelle, and I brought out Elder Barge and Body O. And I like it. This shit went crazy. That was a dream come true. You too, man. When you came, do we wish you much love and success? I know everything gonna be sold out, and it's gonna lead to the bigger bag. Cause then we're gonna start, like, making it even bigger. I'm saying, we got guys. We can make it even bigger after this run. No, no.

[D]

I mean, you know, I'm just, you.

[B]

Know, because y' all running. Y' all driving the car.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Once this is totally successful, you bring two or three other people. People. Then it go from the theater to the arena.

[E]

All right.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

That's what I'm telling you. So you gonna bring a little two clip legends that we love that's gonna come sing that. You know, this guy Jodeci, man, he be this skinny. He sing his ass off, man. What's my man? No, no, Jodeci. Yeah. But kc Right? That no shirt on. They carry him through the audience. Like, I'm just telling you, it's too many legends.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

That y' all could incorporate with this on the way out. I love it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Let me tell you something. Y' all deserve all the blessings, you know, Y' all keep it classy. Y' all keep it great.

[E]

Make sure y' all get your tickets, man.

[C]

Room 112.

[E]

Tour room the.

[C]

Room 112.

[D]

All right.

[B]

It's too easy. We got. We got 112 total KD.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Randy and Monica. I'm waiting for that shit.

[F]

That's a fly show. You saw it already came back into rehearsal.

[B]

Like, what you was scratching for real, right?

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[F]

He was like, yeah.

[C]

Renew energy.

[F]

Some snapped in. Yeah.

[B]

Monica's a friend.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Cause nobody believe me no more. Monica's a friend. Shout out aunt. My brother. They don't want to fucking believe. Fat Joe know nobody. He think he only know everybody. Right. She's a friend. They rehearsed.

[E]

I don't have very. Any friend.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

No, I got some friends.

[E]

I don't.

[B]

I do. And so they were hurt. I'm going to that shit.

[F]

You have to.

[B]

I told them I'm 1 billion percent. I'm also gonna go to the Boyz II Men. Toni Braxton.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. And New Edition.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

That's about to be crazy, man.

[B]

Is the only show I miss. Oh, you gotta go to that shit, too. Yeah. We already put in the word. Like, you can't miss it.

[D]

Yeah. Ye.

[C]

That's history. That's history in the making.

[B]

How could you miss that? You can't miss. Yeah. Boys to Men.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Tony Braxton.

[B]

Tony, I like the Boys to Men. That everything. It is. Is incredible. But I like that when he say, you know, he moved on. He moved on.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

What's that song?

[D]

Without you in my life. Yeah.

[C]

I'm doing just fine.

[D]

I'm doing just fine.

[B]

Huh? I'm. I'm doing just fine. Like, don't worry about me. I'm doing.

[D]

Yeah. Now they. I ain't a front now. Yeah, man. Yeah.

[C]

Them boys got catalog.

[D]

Yeah. Now, if we could. We could take one of this song. Like, Water Runs Dry for me.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, saying, good Lord.

[B]

Which one? Water.

[C]

We don't even talk anymore.

[B]

I need a rose in my mouth. Fat Joe. Fat Joe would have been on R and B. Sing Fat Joe. I had the rose in my mouth. We don't even talk.

[E]

Did the R and B hand grab?

[C]

You did the R and B hand grab.

[B]

Listen, remember Patty LaBelle used to kick her shoes off?

[F]

Yes.

[B]

I be acting a fool as taking your shoes off. The like, disgusting man. I number one, your man Luther, who's my favorite singer all the time. He had that with the mic go there. He walked by. Go. I be upper deck he this small. I'm like, yeah. I'm up a deck with a three piece suit on, looking like a bus driver. I ain't even have money. I had no money then. You know when you sky blue shirt, you look like you driving a bus. A different.

[D]

Oh, yeah, that's true.

[B]

Galaxy.

[C]

It's a beast.

[B]

Shout out to all. All you guys do us a service. You guys make us happy. Some people going through depression, Some people going through whatever. I was about to tell you early. It was you even fat Joel give up the turkey dinner for tickets to total of 112, bro. So I got. I got to see my people, man. When they come through, I got to be there. I'm a fan of the music. I don't want to miss it.

[F]

Thank you.

[B]

I don't want to miss it. Y' all better go.

[D]

Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

[B]

Should I change up because they on their first. I might have to go bring out the grizzly, you know what I'm saying? You see what these ladies is doing? Oh, no. I pull this out. That should stand by itself. Hey, man, she got the lion breathing still on that. I got premeditated murders. I promise you. I'm not threatening lightly. Don't with me. Because I come up on there and be like, oh, sup, guys?

[F]

Man, we the sound effect.

[B]

We might have to come floating.

[F]

Yeah, he said, give him the mic.

[D]

We might have to give him the mic, man.

[F]

You know what I'm saying?

[D]

We had to come out there.

[B]

We like, you know, Usher did that to me. He made me perform the greatest hits, man. I'm scared to go to Usher show. Usher said, go, Joe, go. I said, God damn. I want song number 10. Holy. But listen, we love y'. All. This ain't. Ain't that.

[E]

That ain't this.

[B]

It's cracking.

[E]

Kiss, make some noise. For 112 in total, y' all.

[C]

Make.

[E]

Sure you get your tickets. Make sure you stay updated to the room 112 talk coming to a city near.

[B]

What happened when you see these young kids wearing vans and all that? And you wore that back then.

[D]

Come on, man.

[B]

They come stunting on us like they got some new. I'll be like, yo, my check 1993. I had the on. All right. And I don't know what the y' all talking about. My shit is. Yo, bro, we wore that shit. They think it's they shit.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Been there, done that.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[F]

Thank y' all for having me.

[D]

Thank you so much, man.

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