Joe and Jada - Albee Al shares his WILD journey: incarceration, tragedy & New Jersey hood life

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd: Joe and Jada – Albee Al Shares His WILD Journey: Incarceration, Tragedy & New Jersey Hood Life

Episode Date: February 5, 2026
Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd (iHeartPodcasts & The Volume)

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Episode Overview

This episode of the Joe and Jada Show (a segment within The Herd) brings rapper Albee Al—known as "The Gladiator of Jersey City"—for an intense and raw discussion. Hosts Fat Joe and Jadakiss lead a wide-ranging, often deeply personal talk about street life, incarceration, tragedy, and rap industry realities. Albee Al opens up about his time in prison, the murder of his brother, his path to redemption, giving back to his community, the state of hip-hop culture, and the psychological traps of “hood respect.” The episode is equal parts survival tale, cautionary story, and celebration of overcoming the odds.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Introduction & Background

• Albee Al’s Roots: Raised in Jersey City’s Marion Projects; associated with the “old cloth” of street survival and raw, authentic lyricism ([00:51]).
• Why Albee Was Invited: Jada and Fat Joe stress Albee’s importance as both a rapper and representative of Jersey street life ([01:18]).

2. Post-Incarceration Journey: From Jail to Chart Success

• Three-Year Milestone of Freedom: Albee and the hosts celebrate his three years home from prison ([03:11], [03:18]).
• Career Interrupted by Incarceration:
  • Signed a major deal with Ghazi (2019) but was jailed soon after; almost all of his signing money went toward legal fees and supporting family ([03:24]–[04:16]).
  • "So now right now I’m home, I’m back out here, so now I finally feel like I got run. I’m just taking it and going with it non stop, full throttle." – Albee Al ([04:12]).
• New Album—‘Everyday June 30th’: Tribute to his murdered brother; debuted #4 on Apple charts; re-release with new songs for the 10-year anniversary ([04:54]–[05:34]).

3. The Reality of Street Violence and Loss

• Brother’s Death While Incarcerated:
  • Albee details learning of his brother’s killing while fighting a murder case himself.
  • Gut-wrenching story of being denied the funeral due to security risk ([05:34]–[08:20]).
  • "They said I was too dangerous to go funeral... I couldn't even see him or nothing. So I had to eat that. And that turned me to a different type of, like, made me so cold." – Albee Al ([08:20]).
  • Fat Joe contextualizes the neglect and fear that comes when someone catches a murder charge—even family steps back ([06:32]–[06:56]).
  • Albee reflects on how the game really works: “People don’t understand that part of the game too. You ready to crash out over something... soon as them cuffs go on you, man.” ([08:59]).

4. Community Involvement and Friction with Local Politics

• Albee Al Gives Back: Back-to-school drives, toy giveaways, and community projects, often with little official support.
• City Hall & The Mayor: Recurring issues with getting recognition or cooperation from city officials; importance of official backing for community events ([09:21]–[10:33]).
  • Albee: “I definitely gonna have to tap it with Joe. Cause every summer they be having a concert in Jersey City. And he always there to perform, bro.” ([10:09]–[10:23]).

5. Mentality of the Young Generation and the “Scoreboard” of the Streets

• What Counts as Respect Now:
  • Shift from money/clout to body count and criminal reputation ([13:36]-[14:51]).
  • “It’s like you don’t even count unless you got a body out there… I don’t respect none but that money. All that shit to them, they don’t even care.” – Albee Al ([13:36]).
  • Young people openly sizing up 20-year bids as a badge rather than punishment ([14:41]–[14:51]).
• Generational Poverty and Trauma: Little regard for long-term stability; many never experience basic independence or security ([15:53]-[16:19]).

6. Cautionary Tales & Wisdom from the Elders

• The Danger of Impulsiveness
  • Fat Joe tells a story of his uncle Jabu, who spent 29 years in prison, stressing that the biggest mistake is impulsive action ([18:41]–[20:16]).
  • Quote from Fat Joe:
    • “Being impulsive is the biggest mistake anybody could do… You ever been really pissed off, and a week later, it don't really bother you. But that first week, you might jump out the window” ([19:34]).
• Albee on Learning from Mistakes:
  • Urges younger people to learn from his experience rather than emulate it; laments older influence pushing youth towards trouble ([21:03]–[21:43]).
  • “You can learn from me because I used to be who you are today, and I was way worse than that… Learn from my mistakes. I wish I had somebody that I could have grew, learned from.” ([21:03]).

7. Changes in Hood Culture: The Role of OGs and Weapons

• Old Heads vs. Youngsters:
  • Fat Joe and Albee discuss how old heads used to arm the youth, but now roles are reversed—youngsters supply the firearms ([22:54]–[23:10]).
  • Both bemoan the normalization of extreme violence and manipulation by elders ([21:43]–[22:54]).

8. Surveillance, Technology, and Street Crime

• You Can’t Get Away with Anything:
  • Proliferation of cameras and technology; impossible to escape justice anymore ([23:18]–[24:50]).
  • Example: “Right now, if you pop off, just know you going to jail.” – Fat Joe ([24:26]).

9. Hip-Hop Changes: Integrity, Collaboration, and Snitching Culture

• Industry Differences Now vs. Then:
  • Jadakiss and Fat Joe reflect on how hip-hop used to require in-person connection and real collaboration, now it’s transactional and remote ([44:27]–[45:05]).
  • Albee: “People be like, scared to get in that booth. I always thought it was about, like, swapping fans… But it’s all about collaboration.” ([45:05]–[45:16])
• Albee’s Pet Peeve – Tolerance of “Rats”:
  • The rap game is now willing to overlook snitching and criminal informants if the music is hot ([45:16]–[48:38]).
  • “Once you done, you done... Now it’s like, if you call a [rat], and he knows he a rat, his man gonna up pole on you…” – Albee Al ([45:48]).
  • “You about to kill a real for stating the obvious.” – Albee Al ([45:54]).

10. Fat Joe’s Story – Standing Up to the Ultimate Rat

• On-the-Edge Anecdote: Fat Joe describes running into a notorious informant, confronting him, and how he became the industry’s go-to “enforcer” due to realness ([49:16]–[55:17]).
  • Joe: “I was used as a young kid in this industry as a dumb, impulsive, jumping out this, this, this, this, this. I was used by other rappers who wouldn’t put in that work.” ([55:14]).

11. Rap Integrity, Fact-Checking, and Social Media Hysteria

• Skepticism in the Instagram Era:
  • Modern audience believes gossip over history and legacy.
  • “You gotta get your carfaxed all the time… as a real individual, you do your homework on whatever.” – Albee Al ([60:54]).
  • Influence of social/digital media in perpetuating rumors ([61:05]–[63:14]).

12. The Closing: Music, Food, and Community

• Community Spotlights:
  • Feature on the Johnson family’s legendary soul food (mustard sauce, Johnson's BBQ), a thread tying together story, nostalgia, and black-owned business pride ([32:48]–[37:45]).
• Shoutouts to Africa/Global Roots:
  • Fat Joe lists all the African countries he’s visited, highlighting his global reach ([39:04]–[41:34]).
• Supporting Black Businesses & Generational Wealth:
  • Discussion of Chinese and African immigrant economic strategies; call for more generational wealth in black communities ([38:10]–[39:04]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Prison and Loss

• Albee Al on Losing His Brother:
  "My mom's told me my brother got killed and shit. You feel me? She on the phone crying... And they put me on suicide watch after that." ([08:04])

On Impulsiveness and Wisdom

• Fat Joe’s Uncle’s Advice:
  "Being impulsive is the biggest mistake anybody could do… You ever been really pissed off, and a week later, it don't really bother you. But that first week, you might jump out the window." ([19:34])

On Modern Street Mentality

• Albee Al on Street “Respect”:
  “Unless you got a body out there… I don't respect none but that money. They don't care about none of that.” ([13:36])

On Industry Loyalty & Snitching

• Albee Al on “Rats”:
  “Once you done, you done. It's like, you know what I mean? Now it's like, if you call a rat and he know he a rat, his man gonna up pole on you... You about to kill a real nigga for stating the obvious.” ([45:48]–[45:54])

On Turning Negative into Positive

• Albee Al on Change:
  “I'm trying to change my life. I'm trying to change the people's lives around me. So I want to do good. I want to do everything right. You feel me?” ([18:11])

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Timestamps for Essential Segments

• Albee Al Talks About Signing His Deal and Going to Prison
  [03:24] – [04:16]

• Brother’s Death and Not Being Able to Attend the Funeral
  [05:34] – [08:20]

• Old Heads Manipulating the Youth
  [21:43] – [22:54]

• Fat Joe on Cannot Escape Surveillance/Technology
  [24:26] – [24:50]

• Hip-Hop’s Changing Attitude Towards Collaboration and Snitching
  [44:27] – [45:48]

• Albee’s Advice to Youngsters
  [21:03] – [21:43]

• Fat Joe’s Story Confronting an Informant
  [49:16] – [55:17]

• Albee’s Tribute Track “Look Through My Eyes” (DMX homage)
  [65:13] – [68:15]

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Closing Vibe

The episode closes with a live performance by Albee Al, paying homage to DMX, and a sense of collective acknowledgment—of pain, transformation, survival, and the contradictory forces pressuring street artists and their communities.

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Final Thoughts

“Joe and Jada – Albee Al shares his WILD journey” is a gripping, unfiltered look at what it means to come up—and sometimes survive—the hard way. From family loss to hustling for legitimacy, from changing the hood to real talk on accountability and snitch culture, Albee Al’s raw honesty, combined with Fat Joe and Jadakiss' hard-earned wisdom, offer a must-listen for anyone interested in the reality behind modern hip-hop and urban America.

Transcript

[Al B]

They don't be thinking like that. They thinking, oh, oh, he dissed me. Or he played me. All that. And I know the feeling because I was one of them. So I can't even. So that's why I be like, you can learn from me. Because I used to be who you are today. And I was way worse than that.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. What up, y'? All? Joe crack the dawn.

[Jada]

You know what is your boy? Jada? This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. And we destroying.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, these guys. These guys are the say the least, bro. These guys in the river.

[Jada]

When you think of today's guest.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, flabby is sick.

[Jada]

You think of Jersey City marrying projects. Think of the streets. Think of bars. Think of that cloth. You think of, you know, taking on a lot of shit and persevering and doing your thing. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for my brother, Al B. Albert.

[Al B]

That's a. Honored to be here, man. Shout out to the goats, man. The legends. Just to sit at this chair, this couch with y', all, man. It's full of love, man. I'm honored. I can't stop smiling. I ain't even that type thing.

[Fat Joe]

Let me just tell you one thing. I gotta be honest with you, Right? Cause that's all we do. You're the first request of Jadakiss to come on this show.

[Al B]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

If it ain't Bruce Springsteen.

[Jada]

He's lying. I would say you're not my first request. Cause I had other requests.

[Fat Joe]

No, no request.

[Jada]

But it got to a point.

[Fat Joe]

Beyonce.

[Jada]

It got to a point, bro. It got to a point. Federer, anybody?

[Fat Joe]

I was never seen your like this.

[Jada]

They was Frisbee in my.

[Fat Joe]

You.

[Jada]

Then I calmed down. I said, I see what this is. You, you. There's no power here. Just go with the foot. Then I chilled out for a while, right? Then you hit me like, bro, I got the new project now. I'm like, I can't let my. Now I can't. This is this one right here. I'm going to hr.

[Fat Joe]

Exactly.

[Jada]

Went to HR Said, listen, I talk, y'.

[Fat Joe]

All.

[Jada]

Cause HR Is a lot of Jersey.

[Al B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

Me, y' all gonna front on Jersey.

[Al B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

Now we got you, Yo.

[Fat Joe]

HR Is definitely a lot of Jersey in this.

[Jada]

Shout out to James. Shout out to the. Shout out to Jersey James.

[Al B]

He showed loving that Jersey.

[Fat Joe]

So you from Jersey City? Not Newark.

[Al B]

Not from Jersey City. Mario projects.

[Fat Joe]

I used to hide out in Kennedy Boulevard. My aunt lived up whenever the cops. It was too hot for me in the Bronx. And they looking for me all over. I used to be in that Kennedy Boulevard over there. Hiding out in my aunt's house. Shout out, my aunt Beva. Yeah, why? Nah, nah, that's real talk. So Jersey City, huh?

[Al B]

All the way in the building, in the spot. Easy style, man. Appreciate it, man. Word up.

[Jada]

New project, which you. Before we even get into the new project, you've been. How long you been home for now?

[Al B]

Three years.

[Fat Joe]

Three years.

[Al B]

Three years.

[Jada]

Make some noise for that. Yeah, man.

[Al B]

Hell yeah. It feel good too, man. It feel like before I went to jail, it's like I just. I started, like, heating up. I signed a big deal with Shout out to Ghazi. I signed a big deal with Ghazi.

[Fat Joe]

Ghazi.

[Jada]

What's up, baby?

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to Ghazi changed my life.

[Al B]

2019. I signed a big deal with Ghazi, But I'm talking about the money hit my account. July, I was in jail. September, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't even really experience. Hey, I bought my cars, a couple jewelry, you know what I'm saying? Took care of my mom's and everything. Took care of my bros. But I went right to jail right after that. And it was like, now all that money that I got, I'm paying it on lawyer fees, I'm paying to keep my car straight, trying to make sure mom straight, all that shit, you know what I mean? So I was about to have my run. So now, right now I'm home, I'm back out here. So now I finally feel like I got run. I'm saying, like, I'm. So I'm just taking it and just going with it non stop, full throttle.

[Fat Joe]

People don't understand. It takes work. Yeah. I was just telling your man, the African king over here.

[Al B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I mean? I was telling him it take work. So I've been seeing you grinding. I've been seeing you put in your work. I've been seeing you move and doing everything you gotta do. We started this podcast with no. No promise. Right?

[Al B]

Right.

[Fat Joe]

We in here three times a week, going, going, going. Other guys might have thought we was delusional or whatever.

[Al B]

Right, right.

[Fat Joe]

But when people see the work, the grind, then they like, all right, I could invest some money with these guys because these guys work. Same for you. Your project's coming out through Ghazi.

[Al B]

This project? Yeah. My own project just came out through Ghazi. Word up. So that. That's right there, that it just came out on Halloween. It came out on Halloween, it's doing crazy. Charted number four in the country of Apple music, you know what I'm saying? And it's special to me. Cause it's called every. And if you know my story, you know everything I do is for my brother. My brother got killed when I was locked up. So the name of that album is everyday June 30th. And that's the first album I ever put on a platform to stream, you know what I'm saying? So that's like, like, that's like the first album I ever put on. So I like the 10. It's the 10 year anniversary of that. So I dropped that album and just added like 12 new songs and put like some of the old songs that like, people like favorites, you know what I'm saying? And I added like 12 new songs on it. Shit went crazy.

[Fat Joe]

So you in jail? Mm. How do they tell you your brother just got killed on the streets?

[Al B]

Oh, man, that shit, that shit was vicious, man. It was like, it was crazy because like, I told a story before, you feel me?

[Fat Joe]

You ain't telling. This is the biggest fuck where you told it. Yeah.

[Al B]

You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

So, like, you guys are fucking dodo birds. You talking to the real here, they gonna hear the shit. Nah.

[Al B]

Yeah, so motherfucking I was. When I was locked up or whatever, I was lodded for murder. And I was ready downstate for like a gun charge and going back and forth to the county to fight my murder charge. So I was coming out for wreck. I'm on the phone, I'm talking to my mom, calling my mom and shit. And my mom, she like, your brother wanna talk to you. Your brother wanna talk to you. I'm chasing a girl that was like holding me down. She's holding me down for three years straight strong. And she just tapped out like, I ain't doing no more time. Which probably got to her head like I'm never coming home or something, you feel me? Because I've been saying I'm coming home every fucking year now. Like I've been in this three years now and I'm still fighting his body.

[Fat Joe]

So you something about that murder, that murder. When anybody catch that murder charge, they immediately abandon you. Your own family scared to go to.

[Al B]

Court, not for real, right?

[Fat Joe]

Because it's a serious thing. So everybody who think you're the most popular guy in the hood or whatever, you catch that murder charge, the world start to change on you.

[Al B]

They don't give a fuck in that courtroom, you know what I'm saying? Like, so you Got your moms in there, you feel me? She done raise you. No matter what. She gonna always look at you like you her little boy. And that judge and that prosecutor gonna be tearing you down, making it seem.

[Jada]

Like you're a piece of shit.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Al B]

You feel me? And she. They saying that shit in front of your mother. They saying that shit right in front of her. Not giving a fuck how she feel, what she. Know what I'm saying? Making she feel like she just raised the fucking failure. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? So that's what I was dealing with. So I'm telling my mother. I'm like, yo, call Shorty on three way. Cause she done blocked me. She ain't fucking with me. I'm like, call Shorty on three way. Ma. I'm trying to get her back because she was like, my. My last leg in that motherfucker. So I call on three way. I'm arguing with her.

[Fat Joe]

Boom, boom.

[Al B]

She hung up. I called back again like, ma, call her. Get my mother. Like, yo, your brother wanna talk to you. Brother wanna talk to you. I'm like, mama, talk to him, but call her. I'm trying to get her back. Chasing a bitch. You feel me? Call double back three times on this bitch. And then I ain't even had no time to call my brother. My mother kept telling me every time I call your brother, your brother. So I hung up. Had to go lock in. It was time to lock in. Count time is done up. The next morning, the police comes to my door and shit. Like, I'm thinking. It's like. I'm thinking somebody dropped a slip on me or something. Trying to get me off the unit or something. They, like, shackled me down, like, come on, like. But they. They trying to keep me calm, but they not trying to tell me yet. Brought me to the search worker, make a phone call. They're like, yo, your mother on the phone. My mom's told me my brother got killed and shit. You feel me? She on the phone crying and shit. And they put me on suicide watch after that. It was like.

[Fat Joe]

It was.

[Al B]

It was real rough for a nigga, you feel me?

[Fat Joe]

They let you go to the funeral or not?

[Al B]

They said I was too dangerous to go funeral because. You know what I'm saying? Because the severity of my charges, you feel me? They was like. So I couldn't even see my. Couldn't even see him or nothing. So I had to eat that. And that turned me to a different type of, like, made me so cold Made me hard on, you feel me? Like now it's like he was killed.

[Fat Joe]

Nothing to do with you.

[Al B]

It was just a random regular street. You feel me? Heard a regular stick. Kill my brother over a. You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

Like all the time.

[Al B]

All the time.

[Fat Joe]

That's the shit I be talking about now. That guy went to jail. I don't know the story, but he's in jail now. She sucked dick 10 minutes later.

[Al B]

Of course she did. That's what she do.

[Fat Joe]

You know. That's how that shit is.

[Al B]

People don't understand that part of the game too. You ready to crash out over something that's gonna lack. That's just gonna show her ass soon as them cuffs go on you, man. You know what I mean? That's growing pains for me. I learned my lessons with just going through that shit. I move so much smarter right now. You feel me? Word up.

[Fat Joe]

I'm surrounded by jail guys.

[Al B]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So I know three years of milestone.

[Al B]

Those friendship guys, you know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

One thing I want to help you with or put or bring light to is you having a little friction with the. With the government over there.

[Fat Joe]

What is it?

[Jada]

The mayor. When it's time for the man, when it's your project day, they keep blocking you. They won't let you. We got to fix that. Because part of having power, he'll tell you he's heavy with it with all kind of shit. The older people, nursing, insurance that is that you need. You need the governors, the mayor sometime on your side to help you elevate. Especially when you trying to do for where you from. And I see you do mad and they still keep blocking.

[Al B]

I do so much for my community, like, you know what I'm saying? Like we even doing a toy drive, you know what I mean? I do the back to school drives. I do shit out of rant. I don't even gotta be gotta.

[Jada]

Yeah, don't gotta.

[Al B]

I mean just because I feel like it and I gotta influence and people will be like they want to do shit, you know what I mean? But I definitely gonna have to tap it with Joe. Cause every summer they be having a concert in Jersey City. And he always there to perform, bro.

[Fat Joe]

He always did.

[Al B]

I know that's the mayor's tap me in because give me the best. We got a new mayor right now too. And he was trying to like get a contact with me too. So that's the difference in my last time.

[Jada]

Yeah, you better get in contact with him, Hope.

[Al B]

He just wasn't trying to use me for no votes or nothing, you feel me? But it was just, like, trying to get in contact with me, like, yo, Al, on me. I'm a rock with you. Whatever, whatever. Because I be trying to do shit for my community, like a concert just to show my youth. They only see certain people on Instagram, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I want to show them, like, because we never seen nobody famous in the hood coming up. So I want to show them, like.

[Fat Joe]

Fat Joe used to be on Kennedy Boulevard before rap. I'm telling you, I was out there. Kennedy Boulevard, Journal Square, all that. Yeah, yeah. They had a roller skating rink out there. I used to roller skate in that motherfucker.

[Jada]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how.

[Fat Joe]

Right.

[Jada]

What happened to the leg?

[Fat Joe]

What's the. What? Y' all had a run, though. What's the. I want to say it's the high school. Their basketball team went to, like, the nationals and all that, right? Y had, like, a couple of years ago, y' all had a mean high school, a Catholic school high.

[Jada]

I don't know, St. Anthony forever. That's.

[Fat Joe]

They went to Hurley, St. Pete. Right, the college team. They went to the dance.

[Al B]

Oh, yeah, they went to the dance. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

They was balling.

[Al B]

They was balling. They was definitely balling. Hell, yeah. St. Peter's was going. Going crazy. Yeah, that's up the blocks and the projects, too. Word up. It's on the boulevard, too.

[Fat Joe]

The projects is on the boulevard.

[Al B]

College.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I used to go down there. You know, I got a famous story about me and Big Pun going to the tunnel by ourselves. And Mike Tyson say, security was about to pound us out. We all getting with them. And then Mike Tyson came.

[Al B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And jumped in. There was a club over there. What, Foxes?

[Al B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Foxes.

[Fat Joe]

So we performed that. Foxes. And then we. And then Puma's like, Yo, we had 100 guys with us. Puma's like, yo, fuck all these niggas. Me and you. Let's go to the tunnel, Twin. Let's go. We went too deep. Oh, nah. And we almost got into it with the security, but, you know, we used to rock that club. That Fox is over there. So we gotta talk about it, right? And I always feel like, especially now, maybe I'm older, right? But I feel like we celebrate shit in the hood. OG Such and such came home, and now he's gonna sit there and tell us how the. The holy bible of crime. And, you know, we gotta salute and all that. And so your story is a murder Case I really wanna find out more into that. But, like, you came from that. But the real thing is three years no jail. You in jail, you can't even go to your brother's funeral.

[Al B]

Yeah, no doubt, right?

[Fat Joe]

And so when I was a kid, many many boys, many many moons ago. Horse, I'm 14, they cut my whole neck open. I don't know how to explain it to you any other way. Doctor said I almost died in the back. I ran to the hood, so ignorant to show him my buck 50. Yo, look, son. 420N. They bust me open with the razor kid. This, this. And when you young, your boys come back from doing time in Rikers island and all that, it's almost like the kids want to go.

[Al B]

Right, right, right, right. That's exactly what's going on outside. And it's like where I'm from. And I'm pretty sure it's like that in a lot of trenches, a lot of hoods and all that shit. It's like you don't even count if you got. Unless you got a body out there. Like, them young boys don't respect nothing unless they got a body. And it's like, scoreboard, you know what I'm saying? I don't respect none but that fucking money. All that shit to them, they don't even care. You feel me? They don't care about none of that shit because they get up as like a little Nike Texas and some sneakers. They don't care about everything else.

[Fat Joe]

So this era, in the get money era, they don't care about getting money.

[Al B]

They don't care about that shit because they big homies ain't got money. You know what I mean? If they big homies have money, they probably focus on money. All these young boys, I'm telling you, is like, they only respect it if he ain't got a hat on them. You feel me? You gotta. Gotta catch a body out there. That's trophies in the hood. Before, it was Rollies was trophies. Big chains was trophies. Nice cars with trophies. That was bodies. Nah, this little he out there, he dropped something. Respect that. Now you taking 20 years on the chin like it's nothing nowadays. I was locked up when I was locked up. 16, 17, 20 years old, really sizing. They beard up like, man, I'll be home. Like, I'll be home like 38.

[Fat Joe]

I'll be back.

[Al B]

Like, like sizing it up. Like, be okay with that. Like, they eating them twenties. Word up. Like it's crazy. Eating twenties like, like. Like it's like Nothing but Happy Meals.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. You know what? I'm gonna focus on time. Yeah, right. And the most valuable thing you have in life besides health, it's time.

[Al B]

Right?

[Fat Joe]

So I hurt my knee last week. Doctor said in two weeks, my shit would be brat normal time. Everything I do, that I try to do, if I got a court case and I want the to be over, it takes time.

[Al B]

Right?

[Fat Joe]

You understand? So there's a reason why the people who figured out the greatest punishments on earth was time. They take your whole youth. You come home, you 40 years old, good luck trying to make it. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying it's highly unlikely for you to succeed. 40, 50 years old, and it's the same story every time.

[Al B]

Yep.

[Fat Joe]

Now you 40, 50 years old and you get back out here to do what you.

[Al B]

Yo, man, most of these young boys don't even like. Some of them probably never even had their own place, own car, own apartment, you know what I mean? Never know what it feel like to live alone. And they out.

[Jada]

They.

[Al B]

They sitting down with all of that time or just still outside living with their moms. And they don't even understand you out there playing in these streets. You get killed or some shit. Them funerals, 10 plus for 10 bands. You ain't even got that in the crib. Your moms ain't got that. That's why it's GoFundMe accounts. Embarrassing your family, man.

[Fat Joe]

It's embarrassing.

[Al B]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

You know what's crazy is that I was in jail. When I was in jail, I act like I was Jewish. Cause they said the bills was better. That was bullshit.

[Al B]

Bullshit worse.

[Fat Joe]

They go, they go, what is this?

[Al B]

The halal meal is the best meal.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta eat a cold meal. They was coming through with a banana and peanut butter. Like, here you go, my Jewish brother. I'm like, man, get the fuck outta here. Where the food? Told me the kosher mills was best. I went up in there. Where is it? Yo, J.

[Al B]

Every Friday, the Muslim meal is the best meals in there.

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[Fat Joe]

Every Friday, the Jews, they can't eat nothing hot, correct? Well, I'm just saying. Spirit. I'm not spirit. James, bro, I came up in there, leader of the Jews. They told me they had the. I'm telling you. Yo, yo, I'm telling you the truth of the Jew. Telling him.

[Al B]

Leading with the Jews.

[Fat Joe]

But you sit Jews, you not listening.

[Al B]

You sit with all the poppies, though.

[Fat Joe]

They told me the Jews eat the best food. Fat Joe, you know I'm coming to eat, right, Kil? So I'm going up in there like, yo, I'm Jewish. All the Jew. Yes, sir. All the Jews came like, you know, I'm in the fence. They all scamming and like that. So they all run over. They go, yo, you Jewish? I was like, yeah, I'm Jewish. They was like, the crazy is about a weekend. The leader, the real leader of the Juice is like, yo, man, we know you ain't Jewish, man. I said, yo, I heard the food is better this kind of up here. Like, I' ma try the Puerto Rican route, the Cuban route over here. Yeah, yeah, but so you turn a negative to a positive into a positive.

[Jada]

Now we just got to fix city hall. Oh, you got the mayor on your line, so you gotta work with him. You gotta make sure.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, just work with him.

[Al B]

Cause it's like. It's like only judging from is bad. I be trying to show them my good. You feel me? Because they don't want to keep doing bad. You feel me? Obviously, I'm trying to change my life. I'm trying to change the people's lives around me. So I want to do good. I want to do everything right. You feel me? Ain't nobody going to sit there and tell me that. It's like, little shit don't bother me no more. That used to have me get mad and want to do something.

[Fat Joe]

Since mine.

[Al B]

Now I know how to play the movie out. I can see the movie happen before it even happened. I know what's going to happen if patience. Or just like, you know, I could see it happening without even doing it nowadays. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. I got an uncle, right? Rest in peace, My Uncle Jabu. And I'm not trying to offend nobody in the family. Jabu, Uncle Jabu. Top two, top three. Rat hunters. They invented the gang. Rat hunters in jail. He invented it. This guy's dangerous. Any nigga you know, upstate, all those guys we talk about, oh, they know jabo. He did 29 years. Jabo was a terrible guy in there, right? So he was in jail since I was a baby. He comes home, I ask him, I said, yo, what's the one thing you could teach me about jail? Just one thing that you could teach me about the. He said, listen, I'm gonna tell you, every inmate in there, the biggest mistake everybody ever did was be impulsive. Your brother got in the argument, you pop off, you shoot him in front of everybody, broad daylight. Now you're doing 25 years, somebody messed with your girl. Whatever the case, jump. He said, the best thing you could do is sit back and analyze and see if you really could. You ever been really pissed off, and a week later, it don't really bother you. But that first week, you might jump out the window. Like, fuck that. Come a couple of days later, you feel a little bit different, you know? So he told me, being impulsive is the biggest mistake anybody could do, you know, you feel like you invincible when you young. Trust me, I felt like I was invincible.

[Al B]

The youth out of control, bro. It's like. Even like my nephew, you know what I'm saying? He little tough kid, you feel me? And he be on his.

[Jada]

He'd be on.

[Fat Joe]

That's hard to admit.

[Al B]

Yeah, he be on his sometimes, and I'll be having to check him because there's no need for you to be on your like. So he was going at it with a young boy in the hood. So come to find out, the young boy, his father is my man's.

[Fat Joe]

You feel me?

[Al B]

So they from two different hoods, but his father like my man. So I had to tell him, like, yo, you know who you even beefing with? Like, you. Were you ready to do something to this boy? You know he was beefing with? He like, nah. I'm like, you don't even know this. His father rolled for your pops, you know what I mean? Your pops. His pops got my brother who got killed. It's his son. You know, I take care of him. I'm like, you better go do something to this. You don't even know. He roll for your father, man. He put in paying for your father.

[Fat Joe]

Major, major, major attention.

[Al B]

If any worse, I could put. We could pull up, I could go grab. You could grab him. I could get it off your chest like that. It don't got to go to guns. It don't got to go nowhere further than that. These Y. N.S. don't be. They don't be thinking like that. They thinking, oh, he dissed me, or he played me. All that. And I know the feeling because I was one of them. So I can't even. So that's why I be like, you can learn from me because I used to be who you are today, and I was way worse than that. You know what I mean? Way worse than that. You know what I'm saying? Y' all trying to live up to my shit. Y' all ain't even nowhere close, so I understand where it could go. So you ain't gotta Touch the stove and see it's how you seen me burn my motherfucking self. Learn from my mistakes. I wish I had somebody that I could have grew, learned from. My old heads was telling me to go. My old heads was telling me to eat. My old heads was telling me to move out.

[Fat Joe]

This is the biggest problem we got. Yeah, right. This is a learning process, guy. This is the wrong podcast episode you thought you was gonna get. But you. Some of you need to hear this. The biggest problem we got is the old heads who are nothing. They're bums. They have shit. They're bums. Anybody who's a career criminal, at least be a career criminal caked up. But if you ain't got no money, you're a career criminal. You this and that, and you telling the youth. You making the youth do shit for you. You got to brainwash this and that. That's the biggest cancer in America. I'm talking about Compton, New York, Jersey, Atlanta, whatever the case may be. When the old heads got these young kids brainwashed and manipulated to do they dirty work for them. There's a lot of that. It's a lot of that. No, it is that, right? And nobody talks about that, but that's just the truth. The OEDs. So you saying that your time the OEDs was like, yeah, go, whatever. Whatever the case may be, but that's not what we should be doing.

[Al B]

Yeah, that's. Who used to get the guns from the old heads back in the day. Nowadays, old heads get the guns from the young niggas. Shit, that's flipping. You go, I know they. Oh, head. They can still go pull out his little.38. That young boy go pull out a Drake, a Glock with a drum on it. I don't.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know if I'm crazy, delusional. It's crazy, but I've seen some shootouts when was busting out that Tony Montana guns.

[Al B]

Yeah, these kids.

[Fat Joe]

You seen that shoot out in Philly that day?

[Al B]

Oh, yeah, it was crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody's in the Philly get like that.

[Al B]

Philly gets busy like, oh, my God, my God.

[Fat Joe]

You seen that shoot this. The kept running over in Philly looking at the cat. I know he in jail forever. The guy from. He looking at the camera shooting. He done looking at the camera. Yo, when you clip this, you go find that clip. He in the front shooting. But looking at this, he's done, oh, like, listen, guys, can't nobody do shit, get away with shit. Look at the guy who shot up the school the other day. God bless Brown. They only had him from the back. They. They can't really think. I thought he was black today. They just released another film. So white guy with a beard. They got him, he's going down. Like, it's just too many ring things, too many cameras, too many this, too many that. Like right now, if you pop off, just know you going to jail. Like just if you get caught on.

[Jada]

Camera, if you look at it.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. You in Campbell, bro. You are in Canberra. They killed the kid. What's his name? Julio Fulio. The fucking car was the camera. The Tesla got cameras. They're like, okay, Johnny B. Just. They even locked the chick up. She was there. She done too. It caused the camera.

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[Fat Joe]

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[Al B]

I think you could be the case on camera nowadays too though, man, because they got the AI. So it's like, what's that?

[Fat Joe]

Me.

[Al B]

You know what I'm saying? You got an AI coming into effect. It's going, it's going.

[Fat Joe]

AI gonna up the police vocally in jail, AI already.

[Jada]

They made them say they didn't say they did. Think about it.

[Fat Joe]

You know that AI a whole.

[Al B]

We were talking about that 1800, man. You with it?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, we with it. We. I had him on that though. That man was. He was dope.

[Al B]

Pull me up.

[Fat Joe]

You want the red one or the white one, baby?

[Al B]

Which one you.

[Fat Joe]

We got it all.

[Al B]

Crystalino that like that's the one he been with. Let me with that one.

[Fat Joe]

That's the. He was. Now you gonna. This is the truth serum. I thought you were.

[Al B]

Yeah, I am, but I'm saying that one got busy, so it must be good.

[Jada]

Look, he like. He like. He looking at the lesser. The bottle.

[Fat Joe]

Half inch. Yeah.

[Jada]

I mean, I gotta be the one.

[Al B]

That's it.

[Fat Joe]

That was Jado.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

The other day, we had Tony. Yay, yo. And Murder on here. And Jada was. He had that 1800.

[Al B]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What? That man was a loser. He had the fluidity.

[Jada]

Let him tell it.

[Fat Joe]

It's a good.

[Al B]

I caught kids banged up with Future Kiss Me baked up.

[Fat Joe]

But when he banged up, he like, smooth, yo. Right? He ain't loud and.

[Al B]

Nah, hell no.

[Fat Joe]

Me, I end up anywhere. Yeah, so fat. No, I end up in your house. Me, like, I'm the worst. I'm the best. Look, I don't really drink, but when I drink, I never had a bad time in my life. So back in the days, when I'm out drinking, I end up in house parties or I'm not supposed to be there. Nigga like, yo, Fat Joe, seek the kingdom. Seek the king kingdom. I'm the n. House parties. Like, he drinking. They like, yo, nah, that you drink.

[Al B]

Never had a bad time in your life?

[Fat Joe]

No, I never had, like, the. Like. You know how you have a bad reaction? I'm a fun drunk, I guess. Have fun, tell jokes. The biggest problem, if I'm on the street, I'm going to where I'm not supposed to go with Fat Joe would never go sober in his life. He'll be in. He might end up in the. I don't even gamble. Might end up in the back of a gambling. I'm not supposed to be in these places, right. I'm up in that motherfucker twisted. Yo, you gotta stop, man. You got 1800. They trying to get me on the sauce. I'm already a toasted Real toast to the real 1800.

[Jada]

We lame.

[Fat Joe]

That's right.

[Jada]

You gonna do a tour for this project?

[Al B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm putting a tour together. Me and Millie's about to go into a fire because we about to drop a project. I probably like February, March, no doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Some of the things you don't like in hip hop today.

[Jada]

Hold on. I did something special for you today. No, our family, which you claim as your family because you grew up over there.

[Fat Joe]

The sauce. You got the mustard sauce. Come beside Johnson. I clean. That's my. That's the house that Joe built. Now Come here. Come here. Sit down real quick. So you're. You're. You're a Johnson or you work for the Johnson?

[Stacia Johnson]

No, I am a Johnson.

[Fat Joe]

You are a Johnson. You know, how old are you?

[Stacia Johnson]

I'm 32.

[Fat Joe]

I've been there longer than you. I'm telling you the truth.

[Jada]

When everything said and done is hurt.

[Fat Joe]

Groovy's wife.

[Al B]

Nah, Niece.

[Fat Joe]

That's his wife.

[Al B]

That's his thing.

[Fat Joe]

That's his wife. Isaac, Let me explain something to you. The mother. Yo, bro, you playing with me now? You don't even know who's your husband. Knows me since I'm three years old. This is correct. Yeah. Three years old. I've been going to Johnson's Fried Chicken. The mustard sauce. This is it, huh? She'll bleed mustard, man. Where they sell it at?

[Stacia Johnson]

Online. Online with Johnson's. BBQbx.com. or you can go to Johnson's Barbecue on 163rd street between Teton and his union. That's my restaurant.

[Fat Joe]

I know, yo. He keeps saying. Cause he know Groovy Lou. He like, yo. I'm like, yo, you violating, man. Cause it's across the street from my house. I don't think you understand. Across the street from my house. My brother used to buy out the whole Johnson Angel. Angel? Yeah, it's a legend in Johnson's. My brother bought a whole. If it's 30 people there, everybody chicken and mustard. This. He loved Johnson's Fried Chicken. We all do. Is it true that you own a farm down South?

[Stacia Johnson]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

And so the chicken has always been organic.

[Stacia Johnson]

Everything. Everything.

[Fat Joe]

We never knew that. That's before organic was organic.

[Stacia Johnson]

Yep. Collard greens, fresh every morning. Yams, fresh.

[Fat Joe]

We from down South?

[Stacia Johnson]

Not from down South. We get. It's in Accomac, Virginia. That's where my grandmother's from. And then my grandfather.

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Stacia Johnson]

My dad's dad, he's from Sumter, South Carolina.

[Fat Joe]

So that's how many years we've been doing this at Johnson.

[Stacia Johnson]

Since 1954. So I believe that's 71 black owned and operated. Thank you.

[Fat Joe]

Thank you, America. You're playing yourself. I beg you to purchase Johnson's mustard sauce. There is no better mustard sauce in America. Now, I've been to spots down south where they had this similar. And the minute I eat it, I'm like, oh, shit. But still, it's like I say, at least they stole Johnson's recipe down there. I go in there and say, damn, they know about the mustard. Everybody don't know about the mustard sauce. This is the Mustard sauce champions right here. Thank you. Thank you, man. That's crazy.

[Stacia Johnson]

Now we have some more bottles out.

[Fat Joe]

There now we need that. We gonna do that on Christmas. You know, I've been on a diet, keto that. I don't understand. The doc. Oh, my God. You know, I can't listen. I'm skinnier than I ever been in my life. I swear to God. The doctor said 242. The doctor said, yo, you skinnier than you ever. But guess what? Need you to fast. And keto, no carbs, gotta work on. I say, yo, how you know the doctor, like a mechanic, they find something wrong with you every time. But I come up in there, I say, yo, I'm skinnier than I ever been. He's like, we gotta work on it. We gotta give him. I don't want to look like a crackhead, though. You know, when them guys had that face sunk in. And like, Johnson definitely seen some oh, shit zombie awards. You guys can write the book. Teeth missing, all that. Everybody limping. Shit crazy limping. You want me to lie to you? It's like, you know, the hood gotta take care of themselves. I used to work at my uncle bodega, and they come in for the picnic. Look, look, look.

[Al B]

He reminiscing right there.

[Fat Joe]

No pork on his fork.

[Al B]

He said, man, let me tell you something.

[Fat Joe]

That pig feet, no pork on my fork, no ham in my pan. Y' all got me twisted. I ain't eating pork since I'm about 11 years old. What I'm trying to tell you is that when I worked in my uncle's bodega, they used to come up in everybody, diabetes, everything. They coming in there for the pickle, the sausage, not all the foul shit. They all the powers shit. They coming in there for that shit. We like, Yo, Ms. Mr. Johnson. Are you sure you need this? Are you sure you want that? They be like, yo, man, this my shit right here. But to each his own. Bottle of 1800. Shout out to Groovy Lou. He is really connected with. I was doubting him. He kept telling me, he's a Johnson. This is that. Groovy Lou's my man. And, yo, let me tell you something. Johnson's fried chicken came through. They got the fry. It's the best. It's the best. There's no way around. There's nowhere. You got food out there.

[Stacia Johnson]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

You can't do that to me. Because I. I tear the paint off that bathroom. I've been pure a whole week. I've been pure a whole Week. Veggies, no carbs, man. I'm like borderline. Tear the paint off the wall. I eat one of them fried chickens right now. Some ribs. Cause let me tell you something. You know, when your system been cleansed. My shit is cleansed right now. You see me drinking the water. You ain't giving me no water. Nothing for drinking no water. You gotta finish one. What's your name again?

[Stacia Johnson]

Stacia Johnson.

[Fat Joe]

Thank you, Stacia. We love you, the Johnson family. Thank you for.

[Stacia Johnson]

Been a pleasure.

[Fat Joe]

We always looked up to your family in our hood. Let me tell you something. Them guys, were they ever from Forest or they just opened over there?

[Stacia Johnson]

No, just opened over there.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy. 163rd?

[Stacia Johnson]

Yep.

[Fat Joe]

From. Yeah, yeah.

[Stacia Johnson]

And then they moved to Mount Vernon.

[Fat Joe]

I tell a famous story about not Johnson's, but the ghetto Chinese on the corner. You know, I went to school with the two kids.

[Al B]

Oh, really?

[Fat Joe]

We used to make fun of them. They had like 30 Chinese kids, people living in their house and all that above the restaurant. I seen them kids years later and they was like, you know, everybody that was sleeping on the floor owns four Chinese restaurants. Wow. So that's how they bring the whole crew in there. They sleep in there. Generational wealth. The players 20 people turned into like. Like 80 Chinese ghetto joints. Yeah. And the ghetto Chinese ain't scared. They open up in Africa, they open up in Cuba. They don't give up. You go to Haiti, the only shit standing ghetto Chinese, Haitian food, that shit go anywhere. They're not scared.

[Al B]

Scared of nothing.

[Fat Joe]

They're not scared of nothing. I used to go to Africa. One of the only artists been everywhere in Africa, like literally Ali Boombaye. And they ain't a hood in Africa that don't got a ghetto Chinese.

[Al B]

They there.

[Fat Joe]

They not scared they'll go anywhere.

[Al B]

See if my African, my African man.

[Fat Joe]

Is stamped that man. Your African men might not been to more Africans. I had two years where I thought I had two years. I thought I was. Listen, I thought it was about the best. How the African ain't been the most. Africa, you know, I'm like the Dolce Equis guys. I'm the most interesting man in the world. But every part of Africa I've been in. Every part. Where you from in Africa? I've been to Ghana. You know that. Ghana, Garbone, Djibouti, anywhere you name. Luanda, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, South Africa. Been to Swaziland, Morocco, Nigeria, Wakanda. Not Wakanda. Uganda, Kenya, Zimbabwe. Yo, you talking to the wrong. I've been to Somalia. I've been every hood. I met Davido at the All Star Game, man. Told me, yo, I seen you in my village 10 times. Me, yo, me, man, you crazy, man. I've been in every hood in Africa where they don't have clippers. They cut your hair with a. They take the razor out of the big shaver and they line. Just come on, you're my man. Am I lying? They line your shit up with the razor from inside the bit and they cutting my ass. 10,000 people watching. Fat jokers. Are you nuts? I've been in every part of Africa. I remember. I went. I came back from Africa and went to, like, Mr. Childs or something, and I seen one of our favorite rappers. I don't want to get killed. I don't want to get killed. But this guy always talking about Africa and going back to Africa. He was like, yo, crap. What's up, man? You look tired. Where you come from?

[Al B]

I said, africa.

[Fat Joe]

He said, I ain't going over there. I said, man, you missed to go back to Africa. You missed it. Yeah, you must go back to Africa. He was like, yo, I ain't going. Say it. Say it.

[Al B]

Can't say that.

[Fat Joe]

Say it. No server.

[Al B]

So it's all about the boy.

[Fat Joe]

Not that.

[Al B]

God's son.

[Fat Joe]

Not that. I ain't talking about God. I ain't talking about God, son. I'm just telling you there's a famous rapper that raps about Africa and all that. And when I seen him, I was like. He was like, yo, where you come from?

[Al B]

I said, africa.

[Fat Joe]

He was like, africa? What you doing over there? I ain't going over. I said, yo. Then they got the daishiki on, talking about he ain't going there. Not those shots of goss. And I didn't say that, guys.

[Al B]

Sorry, bro.

[Fat Joe]

But, yo, Mr. Knicks. What's up, baby?

[Jada]

Shout out to the Knicks, man.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta take it back.

[Jada]

We put it up at the end.

[Fat Joe]

Like what Mike Brown is doing. Yeah, you know, I'm a Tibbs guy, so you win.

[Jada]

Beyond it, too.

[Fat Joe]

The man wears some sneakers. I'm gonna keep Cinnamon Pinterest sneakers.

[Al B]

Turn them up.

[Fat Joe]

So I'm looking at him, he got, like, vans on and like that. I'm like, yo, I might have to.

[Jada]

Get him a bit. Tibbs used to rock. G Vashi, Versace and all.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. But this guy, he got some on.

[Jada]

Feint may be different.

[Fat Joe]

This hurt, you know, this sneaking game. He got a lot of courage to wear them shits. You wear that in the Wrong hood. You got a nail in your. It got the broken like that. Out of control.

[Jada]

Got it nailed. You stinks.

[Fat Joe]

I'm trying to. Hi, man. I'm telling.

[Jada]

Let's get Mike Brown some good feet. Let's take Mike Brown.

[Fat Joe]

You should. Shopping for sneakers.

[Jada]

Yeah, let's go.

[Fat Joe]

No, we gotta do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

We're gonna take Mike Brown shopping for sneakers, man. Joe, hit us up.

[Al B]

What you think you need on his feet?

[Fat Joe]

Anything. He walk away his like that.

[Jada]

So we gotta get him comfy shits.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, it's like this. Tires is low. Tires is low. Yo, that's it.

[Jada]

Tires is hard, though.

[Fat Joe]

I brought all my cars up from Miami. Tires is low. I can't drive in New York. All them shits is like this. If I hit one bump, I'm done like, you know, got me started. Oh, shit. 1800, 1800, 1800.

[Al B]

Everybody drinking that all day today.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. It would work wonders for JD Kiss Jadakiss, he on that. 1800. He gone. He going. I like that. Sometimes he want to come in here quiet, shy like that. 1800. The man on that talking that shit. And so we gonna play something. But I was asking a question that we never got answered. Listen. What do you don't like that's acceptable in hip hop today? That probably ain't how you was taught in hip hop. Coming up.

[Jada]

I always hear him saying, n don't want to rap with them. It's hard to. Maybe they're giving them the run around. There's a lot of funny money you did.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all went through that same shit.

[Al B]

And it's like. I seen. I seen a.

[Fat Joe]

He did that to me. My own career. Yo, kid.

[Jada]

He got mad features for me. But see, we came from the time when you. It was no emailing or none of that.

[Al B]

Right, Right.

[Jada]

You couldn't.

[Al B]

We had to meet up.

[Jada]

Wasn't even a way to send the song. You had to go to the studio to do. You know that. That helped us now with this Tetris way of recording.

[Al B]

Yeah, that's definitely a problem right there for me. Was like, people be like, scared to get in that booth. I don't know. It's like. But I think I always thought it was about, like. About like swapping fans with this shit. You feel me? As I'm trying to grow, as I'm trying.

[Fat Joe]

It's all about collaboration. Don't let nobody lie to you.

[Al B]

I wanna get known over here and all of that shit. And don't get me wrong, there's Some big features that I'm blessed and honored for. That's one. And another thing is just that they put in a rap game, they just be allowing, like, they allow motherfuckers to get away with fuck shit that ain't supposed to be okay, man. Like the rat and shit, the corny shit. Like, once you done, you done. It's like, you know what I mean? And I understand we in a world.

[Fat Joe]

Where everybody flag for the accepting the rats.

[Al B]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Fat Joe]

Flag on the play thing.

[Al B]

Let's do that.

[Fat Joe]

No, that's. That's probably the. That's probably the one change of events I've ever seen coming. Yeah.

[Al B]

Cause that was like. That used to push you out the industry back in the day. You had to stand on that. You had to have a strong camp. You had to. Now it's like a. If you call a. That's a rat, and he. He know he a rat, his man gonna up pole on you. Like, you feel me? Like, you about to kill a real nigga for saying the obvious. You feel me? Y' all niggas, really. I'm like, ready to kill a real nigga for stating that this nigga a rat.

[Fat Joe]

I'm tell you some crazy shit, right? So I know a guy, his name is legendary. That's his name, New York. Nah, I'm just trying to tell Kiss. You gotta stop. He's a legend beyond. Took 10 years. Took 15 years. Like this guy busting his gun in jail. All you could imagine. There's nothing wrong you can say about. But been in there with the Lions, the Titans. So one day, I see him in recent times, and he's standing next to this dude that ratted on 46 dudes, the whole cartel. This is one of the biggest rats in the Bronx history. I said, yo, yo, he got the bag. I gotta hold him down. I know he a rat, but, you know, I was like, like, how you.

[Al B]

Think that's gonna play out? That's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

So my science behind it, right? Because some people say, yo, he ain't rat on me, or whatever. My science behind it is this. As much as you love a guy, if he just told on 47 guys, if anything go wrong, if we gotta pound somebody out in front of the building, he's telling, how do you feel safe with being with this guy, Knowing how the game could just change on you at any moment and you got the guy, you done. Yeah, he's gonna tell, right? And so that's my biggest. If you think you could trust the rat guy when it's all said and done. He get in that interrogation. He telling. He might be telling on the way there.

[Al B]

Yeah, he gonna definitely tell. He told once, he told twice. He fold once, he fold twice.

[Fat Joe]

I won't say who. You want me to say who? So I think people were questionable, even myself, about hearing rumors about R. Kelly. But he made the greatest music ever. Indeed. So everybody was like, he can't do it or he ain't do it. And he's just. While he's in this controversy, he keeps dropping move your body like the state. Number one. Number one. Number one. Number one. And everybody's like, not looking at it. Cause they like, yo, he got the greatest music. Nowadays, you got a guy that might have told they got the hottest music and they don't give a fuck. They like sold out arena. We don't care. The man got the hottest music. We don't care.

[Al B]

Right?

[Jada]

I think music didn't tell.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. But what I think is the music being hot overpowers the. Yes, it overpowers whatever, you know. And then be a guy like me and. You sound dinosaur. We almost playing ourselves, like, yo, we ain't with this rat shit. Yo, we doing that. They looking at you now. What are you talking about?

[Al B]

That's cause people, a lot of people never been told on. Never been in that situation where they had the time. You feel me? So people don't understand that shit. You've never been told on. You can't relate. Know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

I'm not gonna tell a story till a story turns out, okay? No, no, I'm tell you this story, but I'm not going to tell the name to Somebody comes out after this and just says, joe's talking about. Not this one, right? Because the cat, meaning you want to throw 700 flowers for shit. The whole. They'll start throwing at this. There's no way to believe me if I say the name, okay? There's no way. You wouldn't believe Fat Joe if you heard he's real. This is that you're like, yo, this right?

[Al B]

Right?

[Fat Joe]

I'm at a show, it's around this time. It's a Christmas show. Corporate. We get the freest bag in the world. I'm only there with rich Uncle Dan. I don't even have my dj. I'm on my way to the stage, right? I'm. I'm behind stages. Dark as hell. Hammerstein Ballroom. They introduced me, so I gotta go out. When they do that, somebody appears and gives me their hand. I shake people hand in the airport, all Day, everybody. I'm Fat Joe. I'm Celebrity Sup? So I said, what's up? So he says, yo, you know who I am? They already introduced me. The music's gone. Lean Back is on. It was only like two songs. I said, nah. He said, yo, I'm such and such. When I looked at him, I said, holy shit. Now this guy, beyond the Killer, he was extorting every rapper on earth. He was extorting the streets. He was doing whatever. He's a monster out here. A legend of all legends. I couldn't wait to get off that stage. I ran back to this dude. I couldn't believe he was standing there. I said, now look at me, you rat motherfucking bastard piece of shit cock. Suck a bitch. Your mother shit on her face. Nigga, you ever in your fucking life, right? Cause it just happened. I don't know what the dynamic is. Mayno bumped into Troy ave. Yeah, Troy AV had a baby in his hand in front of 10,000 people. I hear they had problems, but may know, you know, said, what's up? I wouldn't have done that right, but said, what's up? They caught that in 4K. A white person had to catch that footage right there. That wasn't no hood shit, and it's everywhere. So I was scared. This nigga said, what's up? To me. And he had the cameraman somewhere because they said he was running down on anybody who's the realist in New York. And they nah, but my bad, son, I would have never talked about you. Oh, this. I'll tell you. I'll give you a clue. My man Wally World throw them hood plays. The man went to the middle of the hood play. He's a rat of war rats. And told all the OGs we ever seen in Fed magazine. And all of them, he was like, yo, who got a problem? Who won it? Everybody was like, mom's the worst. No, but what I'm saying to you is, Jesus Christ. Not only did I scream on this killer as I walked away, this could have been a mistake. There was a girl there. She scoochied down and all that. I turned back around because I see. I see Davey's face. You're part of this story. You don't even know it. Oh, listen. No, no, listen. How the am I part of this? Because you was complaining about the. In the back of my store. All of y' all kept telling me, yo, this dude's out here moving like this. This, that. This nigga's crazy. This, this. I'm just saying, you don't even know who I'm talking about.

[Jada]

Let me talk to the people. Now, whether he's talking about.

[Fat Joe]

I was.

[Jada]

I was never complaining about anybody for years.

[Fat Joe]

What I'm saying, he's saying. No, what I'm saying is this guy, this guy was shaking, so he was shaking everybody down. I'm talking about from the biggest to the list. So you tell and kill. No, he wasn't that again.

[Al B]

You were telling Kill.

[Fat Joe]

You tell her kill. You're the most dangerous person in the world, girl. Yeah. So I go and I see Davies. Tell me something. But when I'm walking away, no. So I turn back around and I go right back up to this guy again. Piece of, right this. He's looking. They will never believe this. That's why I can't say the name. He's looking down. I picked his chin up. Said, look me in the eye, nigga. You look me in the eye, nigga. You know what this is? I'm not dumb. I'm not these niggas, you know it. He knew I put in work, for real. He look in my eyes. First time I realized somebody, you look at the crazy guy in the eyes, their eyes are open up. And they said, holy shit, this puts in that work. He knew when he said, oh, my love. Phone rang off. Everybody was calling me like, yo, I heard this, this, this. I was like, duck, it is. You know, the only person I warned was my man who be in that neighborhood. I was like, yo, you know, I had to scream on. I knew what was gonna happen, right? Because no disrespect, the game been using me. The rap game has been using me for so many years. Every rapper get beef, I inherit, they beef, I gotta this, this, this. They been using me so much. So when these guys kept telling me and I've been saying this, I knew the buck stops here. There's a reason why it was so beautiful for me to stop the beef with 50 Cent. Because I knew the buck stops here. I knew where it was going to go. Live in action, directed. Everybody was like, yo, let's hope they bump into each other. Because these guys too, they ain't gonna go, yeah, right. But you know, that's. That's a form of manipulation. That's a form of using. You know, you adjust a guy in the beef that, you know, oh, that's a chess gone.

[Al B]

This guy playing a different game. He moving you like a piece. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I was used as a young kid in this industry as a dumb, impulsive, jumping out this, this, this, this, this. I was used by other rappers who wouldn't put in that work. And they were like, yo, Joe, you know, you know, this, this, this. And I'm. Well, I knew with this guy, I had nothing to With. Do. Do with this guy, right? I had no beef with him. I had no problem. I never met this guy before. I never. This. I fucking knew it was going to be Fat Joe who was going to see this guy. And I didn't give a fuck if it was in Madison Square Garden, the streets. That was going to be the same outcome with 10,000 cameras. This. So I'm looking, I'm hoping somebody else bump into this dude that's going to jump out. Yeah, but, you know, that's how the game go, man. But listen, let me tell you something. Yeah, that's something that bothers me in hip hop. It ain't my problem, huh? That is hip hop. Yeah, we talking about. You'll see.

[Al B]

Yeah, for real, though.

[Fat Joe]

This going viral without a name, bro.

[Al B]

This.

[Fat Joe]

They know what I'm talking about, bro. This ain't. This ain't a regular degla. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But some stories you can't tell people because they say I'm captain. You know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

Just tell anybody anything. Y' all got the power to.

[Fat Joe]

To just say it. Believe you now. They believe me now. You think so? I'm not cat like that. No, no. But this one, this. This particular story, I've been waiting for somebody to say it other than me. Yeah. I've been falling back like I. Somebody's gonna say the story, and I'm.

[Al B]

The man for the job, huh?

[Fat Joe]

Nobody was there. There was a girl there. She was fucking. I wish I would have seen her face. That's the biggest mistake. If there's ever been a mistake to haunt me and beef in my life is all systems go one way. And I look around at the surroundings like somebody fronted on my brother. I was looking up for him all day. I seen him. I said, pussy, pull over, pull over. Pussy, pull over. I jump out, he jump out. He acting extra tough. I don't know why we start fighting immediately. When I turned around, there was like a thousand guys with this guy.

[Al B]

He.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't look at the other 30 trucks. So when you get that tunnel vision, the troopers, there's a girl who's the witness to this. That was Gucci down to the socks, from the jacket to the shoes to the boots to the this. She was there. That's on. She Was a witness. Who is he? It we gotta look. I don't know who she is. But you'll hear. You're gonna hear after this episode. They gonna tell you. Cause some people know.

[Al B]

Some people know.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they know. But, you know, it's just. It's like. But I got tired of that. I've been tired of, like, people using me to do certain things and jump out the window and this and this and that. Cause I know there's certain things I'm not gonna tolerate in no way, shape, or form, but, you know, and then I think of. It was almost a time travel, right? So when the guy shakes my hand and I realize who he is, all I see is faces of all my friends that got 40 years, 30 years, 20 years, 10 years, 15 years. This, this, this, immediately. But when he said, yo, I'm such and such, I said, this pussy put everybody in jail like that. You gotta be kidding me. My best friend doing 46.

[Al B]

That's what I'm saying. That's what it's about. You can't be. You can't be a hypocrite in this. You can't be. You got to stand on what you stand on. Because it's like, I'm gonna apply the same pressure to whoever. I'm not gonna change my tone for no man, you for me. If I feel like you a. I'm gonna pull you on that. If I. Especially if I thought you was a real at first. Because I'm thinking you my kind, I'm bringing you in. I'm bringing you in this world like I with you.

[Fat Joe]

This game get tricky. Yeah.

[Al B]

So if I feel like I with you, I'm like, damn, I solid.

[Fat Joe]

I with that.

[Al B]

But the same way. The same way I'm treating you like my brother, I'm gonna treat you like my enemy. Once I find out you did something that ain't a part of our movement or what we stand for. You feel me? Like, I honor y'. All. Y' all the big bros of this shit. I mean, so it's like the same way if I hear some shit like, yo, oh, what, Kiss went out bad? Oh, Kiss went out bad. You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

Also be clear about it.

[Al B]

I want to say the same shit gotta go to me, too, though.

[Fat Joe]

Hold up. I mean, let's not go Kiss when I'm bad. You also have to. To see who the messenger is. Of course. No, because what's going on now, Whether he cheated on her or this and this and that, the people who be talking this shit, people, they Disgruntled employees, fake former friends that got cut off. You know what this is? To even be with you, for you to cut somebody off? It's lights out for him that every day, whether he wants it or not, he's performing for Allen Iverson's birthday fly shit. That's a different lifestyle. You pulling up in Miami, we going to college party. He's walking through this. That's a life. When you take one of them guys and go, lights out, baby. It's over. That Yonkers Community center ain't hitting like DJ Khaled's 50th birthday. No. Now there's no more Gold's Gym. You gotta work out. A St. Mary's gym. It's a whole different thing. So you don't realize that when people who we once had love for, they fuck up to the point of where maybe they just. Whatever the case may be, those be the guys, the messages of that bad news. A lot of times, you can't really take them as credible.

[Al B]

Of course, now you gotta get your carfaxed all the time. You can't just. As a real nigga, you gotta do your homework on whatever anybody telling you. As soon as you got a real nigga, as a real individual, you do your homework on whatever.

[Fat Joe]

Because I be saying, shit. It be like. Especially with this Instagram shit, it's like. It be like, oh, shit, yeah, Instagram's a lot those shit. Some new shit about such and such and this and who's that girl? Who's that guy? Yeah, Ivan Rodriguez says that this he never got. Like, who the fuck are you?

[Al B]

Right?

[Fat Joe]

So all of a sudden, the gossip of the week is somebody we never heard in our life. Wife who might be the biggest piece of scumbag in the world, says something about somebody we've been loving for 20 years, and all of a sudden it.

[Al B]

Gave him a voice to talk. They gave them a whole platform to talk and post it, everything. And it's like.

[Fat Joe]

And then I start analyzing the shit. Yo, what Ivan said. What Ivan said was your Social Security number. Yo, my man. Well, at least that I've been able to see through that, right? The normal public ain't able to see through that because they keep running the same play. Yeah, it was a DVD back in the days. I don't know, it was like snitches or whatever, right? Pistol Pete was on there, a bunch of rappers and every rapper went on there. And it was like, snitches get stitches. If he snitch, you kill him. If you Just every rap. I went in there and said, please don't do the crime. If you do the crime, you do the time. Don't cross the street if it ain't green. Don't drive the car if you ain't got a license. And that's just the way it goes, you know, within yourself, if you could do the time or you can't, don't be pretending. I knew what Dominican dude this dude was. He had a Lamborghini as long as I knew him, popping bottles every single night. They say he got caught. The minute they took him in the face, he's like, what are you doing here Popping? What am I doing here, papi? Oh, you saying he told on the whole Dominicans? Yeah, yo, but he had Lamborghinis and Ferraris his whole life. I've been seeing them in the clubs, yo, popping 10,000 bottles. They said the second he went on my flame. What are we doing?

[Al B]

That'd be a street nigga.

[Fat Joe]

Plan B.

[Al B]

Like how you give a girl playing B. They plan B is I, I got something for you niggas.

[Jada]

What am I doing here?

[Fat Joe]

Get out of jail free. Caught? No, no, but I'm saying some people hustle so long. Like, you know, when you go, we go down to El Chapo. They say the only thing you could do is plant poppies. There is no other job. There's nothing else. When you wake up and you a kid, 10 years old, they put you on the field to plant. You could be doing coffee. You could be doing cocaine. That is the trade.

[Jada]

Do coffee.

[Fat Joe]

Kiss Cafe. Kiss. Yo, how's the sales of Kiss Cafe since this joint been going on? Because I've been watching. The other day I binged the Joe and Jada and I noticed I've been promoting more than you. The Kiss Cafe. Tell Pops. So Pops, he owes me a half of 1%.

[Jada]

Kiss Cafe. Kiss Cafe, Coffee dot com. Get you some hole, some ground hole. Get you some K cups. I mean, best coffee out there, man.

[Fat Joe]

I'll be 53. I drink a 53 year old cup of coffee. Well, you can drink a 42 year old cup of coffee. Yeah, you want the time. Number one all over. You know what I'm saying? If you need to get the quicker pick up or you need to get your glazed up looking like a movie, then you get that. Rewind the time. Cbs, Sally, stop and shop. We out in Canada now.

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

Ooh.

[Fat Joe]

We expand national. Yeah, we went over the border. So we out there. You got some new music, huh?

[Al B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My new album out Going crazy, man. Every day, June 30th, 10 year anniversary shit going crazy right now.

[Jada]

We're gonna hear something. Let's hear one.

[Al B]

I'm a catalog rapper, man. I ain't no TikTok rapper, man. I'm that nigga you got in the cloth.

[Jada]

Yeah, he do what he do. He rap. Rap? For real?

[Al B]

No, your car and you mob out, you feel me?

[Fat Joe]

No gimmicks.

[Al B]

Everyday life, every day in a party.

[Jada]

No sound effects. He got that pain.

[Al B]

Yeah, real pain.

[Fat Joe]

Set this track up for us. What are we about to hear?

[Al B]

Oh, I. This right here is called Look Through My Eyes. I'm paying homage to dmx, of course. You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

The dog, his birthday today too.

[Jada]

Happy birthday to the dog. What a perfect segue.

[Fat Joe]

Double nickel.

[Al B]

I'm paying homage going on in that. You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

Of course.

[Al B]

With everything that I built off. But X is X is the is in my top five.

[Jada]

So appreciate that love. Appreciate that, man. The dog forever. Let's go. Let's get it cranky it.

[Fat Joe]

Frankie Cock, Frankie Crocker that.

[Guest Rapper/Performer]

Take a look through my eyes.

[Al B]

See what I see, see, do as.

[Guest Rapper/Performer]

I do, be who I be, walk in my shoes, you going to hurt your feet it get cold outside Keep your I'm burning in hell but don't deserve to be a people I don't even know that one murder me.

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

Why?

[Guest Rapper/Performer]

Because they heard of me a torment they house like a burglary now everybody family and surgery, face shots from the pound. You ever seen a soul lift up from the ground whispering about me, scared to say it out loud? No, I put a body where it can never be found. Snitching, it was never allowed. Put a rat on sticky trap, leave him stuck to the ground like wow. We telling them now wasn't built for this like why you coming around like why you rat? I remember collect cold mama, this your son? I'm locked up again for another gun. Last week the cops was at the house. I'm on a run, can't complain about the game I take it how I come on top of that BM and bought another. Thinking to myself like damn, I need another I don't need head bro Snitched on some other now I can't with nobody. It's like I'm celibate. Been in the field since the I'm a veteran that will send the offer for my soul. I ain't selling it.

[Fat Joe]

Wasn'T here when.

[Guest Rapper/Performer]

I was in the cold. You ain't relevant, talk to me.

[Al B]

If.

[Guest Rapper/Performer]

You kill life, you got a wife it's gonna be hard to reach probably won't win, they fight but you got hard at least you bad but you ain't bad at indirect deposit Won't even check on me but one check my pocket Hope they never find that graveyard that's in my closet if that day ever come then I'm taking hockey for my day off from Craig Playing with them boxes Coach threw me off the team Found it in my locker I was only 16 playing with a chopper Knew that boy was a shooter before he made the roster going down like 911 never seen a head shot with a 57 no rats around me, no, I won't let him free wreck free k free be free to roll Go this blue sh with a pity.

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

And.

[Guest Rapper/Performer]

He can see the TV. Walk in my shoes, you going to hurt your feet it get cold outside Keep your heat take a look through.

[Al B]

My eyes see what I see do.

[Guest Rapper/Performer]

As I do, be who I be Walk in my shoes, you going to hurt your feet it get cold outside Not a cheapest yo.

[Al B]

Yeah, It's that pain, man.

[Fat Joe]

That's right.

[Al B]

East Coast I know how we rocking, man. Hey, hell yeah, Tri State monsters, man. I know what we into this ain't.

[Jada]

That, that ain't this Cracking Kiss make some noise for album.