Joe and Jada - Allen Iverson on NEW DOC SERIES w/ Steph Curry + LEGENDARY NBA & 76ers stories

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: Joe and Jada - Allen Iverson on NEW DOC SERIES w/ Steph Curry + LEGENDARY NBA & 76ers stories
Date: October 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

This dynamic, heartfelt, and laughter-filled episode of The Herd features Allen Iverson (“AI,” “Bubba Chuck”) in a wide-ranging conversation with hosts Fat Joe (“Crack”), Jadakiss (“Jada”), and Mama Iverson. The group dives deep into Iverson’s new documentary series produced with Shaquille O'Neal and Stephen Curry, explores personal stories from AI’s NBA journey, and celebrates his cultural and personal legacy. The vibe throughout is raw, warm, and full of rich storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Allen Iverson’s Realness & Relationships

• Introductory Praise & Camaraderie (02:55–06:15)

  • Joe and Crack highlight Iverson's authenticity and his impact on sports culture.
  • The group reminisces about their bond and shared experiences.
  • "For some reason, I attract the worst motherfuckers in the world. And the best. ... The hardest part about navigating through life is you gotta depict which ones is which." — Allen Iverson (05:35)

• On Being "Everyone's Brother" (04:53–06:15)

  • Crack jokes about everyone thinking they're AI’s best friend, and AI credits this to his people-first nature.

2. Stories of Community and Loss

• Funeral Traditions & Brotherhood (06:53–08:07)

  • The group recalls attending a Muslim funeral together, highlighting the seriousness and cultural differences.
  • Rob Boogie, a mutual friend from the Bronx, helped cement their bond.

• The Origin Story: Meeting Fat Joe (08:19–09:40)

  • Crack shares how he first met AI: a young Iverson, confident and rolling deep with his crew in army fatigues, introduced himself assertively after a show.

3. The NEW Documentary Series

(11:45–12:13, 14:45–17:00)

• AI's Perspective
  • The documentary is a “confirmation to the world that the devil is a sucker. ... He can't fuck with me."* (11:49)
  • Iverson frames the series as a story of resilience and faith, opening up about struggles with incarceration, financial hardship, divorce, and betrayal.
  • "My mom told me at 8 years old, I could be whatever I wanted to be in life. And I actually believed her." (13:12)
  • "I am an open book. ... I don't mind telling you the mistakes that I make." (15:48)
• Role Models and Uplifting Others
  • Iverson emphasizes that athletes and entertainers inspire all generations, not just kids.
  • He wishes to show others that if he did it, anyone can.

4. On Trust, Betrayal, and Growth

(17:00–20:42)

• Iverson reflects on pain from friends and the journey to realizing "everybody can't go."
• "I was the one that took that ass whooping with bringing your entourage. And you remember, I was the first one that took everybody from my hood with me ... and ain’t none of them here." (15:48)
• "Implement that word ‘no’ in your vocabulary, man. ... I thought I could take care of the world." (19:51)

5. Mentorship, Giving Back, and Respecting the Moment (21:00–24:22)

• Fat Joe’s Story from Dubai: "Everybody can't go"
  • Joe recounts taking friends to the Royal Palace and confronting them about respecting the opportunity.
  • Iverson reflects that your friends are a reflection of your brand: "They gotta care about your brand, man. ... Like I said, my man, he got it together, but wherever I go, he going." (24:00)

6. Docu-Series Production: Shaq & Steph Curry (24:22–25:44)

• Shaq is the “final decision-maker,” but always consults AI; Steph Curry is described as "squeaky clean, but behind the scenes he just like us … that man, just things that he can do, man, he a straight serial killer."* (25:12)
• "I don’t miss no Golden State game, you know what I mean? I got to see that goddamn light-skinned killer every night." — AI on Steph Curry (25:25)

7. Coach John Thompson’s Influence (25:45–27:48)

• Mentorship Impact
  • "Coach always used to tell me, you always listening to somebody that's trying to tell you how to get from A to Z and they ain't never been there." (25:57)
  • AI credits Thompson with real-world wisdom, underscoring the unique bond of someone “who made it” showing the way to youth from difficult backgrounds.

8. Legends from Newport News – AI & Michael Vick (27:48–28:19)

• Brief conversation on Michael Vick’s journey, with AI as a local role model paving the way.

9. Legendarily Wild NBA Days (28:46–43:14)

• Car Collections and "Crazy Times"

  • Two Phantoms, back-to-back drop tops, and riding through the city — over-the-top but authentic lifestyle stories.

• NBA On & Off the Court

  • Spontaneous club nights, parties at TGI Friday's, pulling up in luxury cars — the mythos of AI’s Philly years.

• On-Floor Rivalries

  • "You’re the closest thing to Tupac ... pure respect from every gangster in every hood that you have always had." — Crack (17:00)
  • Legendary “step-over” moment and how it became a part of hip-hop history.

10. Kobe Bryant and Other Adversaries (47:04–48:56)

• Biggest Competitors?
  • "Who’s the biggest? ... Wars ... like, man, going to play against Kobe Bryant?" — Crack
  • AI: "You started to ask the question and that was going to be my answer. It was going to be him. Biggest wars. ... Me and him had wars." (47:13)
  • Notes additional tough matchups: Demar Johnson, Marcus Banks, Steph Marbury.

11. David Stern & NBA Leadership (49:26–53:14)

• Past Tensions and Evolving Relationships
  • AI discusses feeling misunderstood by Stern; later they developed mutual respect.
  • "A lot of times you get thrown off ... by the look and the perception ... After [Stern] took the time to get to know me, then we became close." (49:32)
• On Adam Silver
  • Fat Joe: "This Adam Silver, man, I love this commissioner, man ... he always with the culture." (51:30)
  • AI agrees Silver is a “player’s commissioner.”

12. Fashion, Influence, and Getting Credit (54:07–55:21)

• Tunnel Walks & Cultural Change
  • Fat Joe: "Now they got cameras filming their clothes... I be like, yo, they owe AI money. They find you every game." (54:33)
  • AI: "It was worth getting my ass whooped for it. ... When you look at the game, everybody don’t play the same. What the hell you gonna dress the same for?" (55:01)

13. Family, Upbringing, and the Book (56:06–58:07)

• Iverson’s Memoir

  • Bestseller within a week; candidly covers his family’s struggle, unity, and perseverance.
  • "My mom had me when she was 15. ... Me and my mom, we grew up together. ... We were always tight as a unit." (56:17)

• Mama Iverson’s Pride and Memories (59:28–64:20)

  • Reflects on having AI at age 15, early basketball fandom, the bond between mother and son.
  • "From that point on, he came in my life and he was the perfect child. ... He would listen to everything I said and he loved the daylights out of me." (63:37)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"The devil is a sucker ... he can't fuck with me."
— Allen Iverson on overcoming adversity and his documentary (11:49)

"My mom told me at 8 years old, I could be whatever I wanted to be in life. And I actually believed her."
— Allen Iverson (13:12)

"You always listening to somebody that's trying to tell you how to get from A to Z and they ain't never been there."
— Allen Iverson, recounting Coach Thompson (25:57)

"Implement that word ‘no’ in your vocabulary, man. ... I thought I could take care of the world."
— Allen Iverson (19:51)

"You’re the closest thing to Tupac ... the pure respect from every gangster in every hood that you have always had."
— Crack (17:00)

"It was worth getting my ass whooped for it. ... When you look at the game, everybody don’t play the same. What the hell you gonna dress the same for?"
— Allen Iverson on fashion, influence and league's tunnel walk era (55:01)

"From that point on, he came in my life and he was the perfect child ... and he loved the daylights out of me."
— Mama Iverson (63:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Allen Iverson on the "Gift" of Openness & Resilience: 12:10–14:45
• On Betrayal, Outgrowing Friends, and Finding New Support: 15:48–20:42
• Shaq and Steph Curry on the Docu-Series: 24:22–25:44
• Coach John Thompson's Wisdom: 25:54–27:48
• Story of Michael Vick & Newport News: 27:48–28:19
• Infamous NBA Nights: Club Fridays, Drop Tops, Recovery: 28:46–43:14
• Kobe Bryant Rivalries & NBA Matchups: 47:04–48:56
• David Stern, Adam Silver, and Perception: 49:26–53:14
• Changing NBA Fashion (and not getting paid for it): 54:07–55:21
• The Importance of Family & Mama Iverson’s Recollections: 56:06–64:20

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a deep, unfiltered glimpse into Allen Iverson’s life, spirit, and the community around him. With laughs, raw emotion, and sharp reflections on pain, faith, and perseverance, Iverson’s story is one of authenticity—an all-access look at the trials that built a legend, the friends (and foes) along the way, and a mother’s enduring pride.

For NBA fans, hip-hop heads, and anyone who values resilience and realness, this episode is quintessentially Allen Iverson—tough, honest, loving, and true.

Transcript

[Joe]

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[Narrator]

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[Crack]

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[Narrator]

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[Hunter]

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[Allen Iverson]

Able to tell your story, regardless how they accept it. Everybody always talking about, man, if I was AI, I would do this bro. You.

[Crack]

Yeah, yeah, what up y'?

[Mama Iverson]

All?

[Crack]

This is Joe Crack the Dawn.

[Joe]

It's your boy Jada. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada Show. You already Know every show legendary, every show iconic. And today we remain to keep our word. You know what I mean? Today's guest. When you just think of the word real, when you think of football, basketball.

[Crack]

Talk that shit, Jada.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? When you just think of a different cloth, when you think of not just.

[Crack]

Changing their greatest of all time.

[Joe]

The way they look at NBA players come out of the tunnel. Used to get fined every day. Now they want to see what the players is coming out with with the gear they got on. I actually still don't get reparations. He still hasn't got his proper. Just due for being. For starting the tunnel camp. The crossover.

[Allen Iverson]

Oh.

[Mama Iverson]

Ah.

[Joe]

Woo. Heart as big as a giant. I could go on for years and years and years. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our brother, Allison. Allen Iverson. Bubba Chuck. My brother. My brother of all brothers, Allen Bubba Chuck Iverson. Newport News is finest. Welcome to the show.

[Allen Iverson]

Crack it. Almost. I almost fucked up myself. It was my phone. I forgot to call him.

[Crack]

It was your phone about the door.

[Joe]

Just gave him a whole extra phone ringing. He almost rung off for the show.

[Allen Iverson]

I almost blew it.

[Crack]

Bubba Chuck.

[Allen Iverson]

My guys.

[Crack]

Bubba Chuck. You know what I realized? I never knew that before because I feel like I have a special relationship with you.

[Allen Iverson]

Absolutely.

[Crack]

I feel like I'm your brother.

[Allen Iverson]

I've been to your wedding.

[Crack]

I've been there throughout your whole career. Mom's nose. I used to drive down to Philly. But I realized you got a special quality. You make everybody think they your brother. This guy thinks he's your brother too.

[Allen Iverson]

For sure.

[Joe]

Do you mean think?

[Crack]

Yeah. Listen, let me explain. Let me explain something to you. I thought me and you. But he talked to you the same way. Do you got a bunch of friends that think they your best friend? Because I think I'm Island Ives best friend. He thinks it for sure.

[Joe]

I just know I hold a special place in his heart somewhere.

[Allen Iverson]

For sure. It's just who I am. It's a tribute to who I am, what type of dude I am.

[Crack]

Always.

[Allen Iverson]

For some reason, I attract the worst motherfuckers in the world. And the best. You know what I mean? And that's the hardest part about navigating through life is you gotta depict which ones is which. You know what I mean? And you guys been around with me for decades, you know what I mean? We've had this relationship, dog. We was 20 years old, you know what I mean? And we still here, still standing still. The relationship is nothing but didn't do anything. But flourish, you know what I mean? Got closer and closer over the years and, you know, don't look at him.

[Crack]

Watch. I need the love. Like, look at him.

[Allen Iverson]

I mean, come on, man.

[Joe]

Usually he start hating towards the end of the show, wouldn't it?

[Crack]

No, no.

[Joe]

But you know.

[Allen Iverson]

You know what's dope, though? Like, when we see each other in passing. Yeah. We talk to each other on the phone with him. We bump into each other a lot, you know what I mean? Just being in the same places. But it's real shit. When you know the person's crew, they're everyday guys, you know what I mean? That's when you know it's authentic. You know what I mean? When you know the homeboys, you ain't just walking up to them and, you know, you just happy to see your man. You know what I mean? Them your dogs, too. You know what I mean? And that's legendary.

[Crack]

No, you know, he came to Raul's funeral for sure, down in Miami.

[Allen Iverson]

My dog right there.

[Crack]

We appreciate you for that. He, you know, that was a huge look for him. You know what I'm saying? When you going out and the real ones come down and we did mall.

[Allen Iverson]

In Philly, for sure.

[Crack]

It was a bunch of Muslim guys. That was the first I ever been to a Muslim funeral.

[Allen Iverson]

Me, too.

[Crack]

You, too?

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah.

[Crack]

That shit different, huh?

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Crack]

Like, I want the box. Like, let me tell you something. A lot of my friends are Muslim. Best guys in the world.

[Joe]

The only one.

[Crack]

I want a box. I want people to cry. I want people to come to feel like this was like real militant, right?

[Joe]

We went out, wrap your body in 24.

[Crack]

Wrap your body. But then the ladies over here, and then you can't talk. He's with God. He's talking to Allah right now. I'm like, yo, I'm trying to cry.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah.

[Crack]

I'm trying to like, you know, yo, it's a funeral. You know what I'm saying? But it was. It was.

[Allen Iverson]

It was.

[Crack]

It was different, right? Then we throw. We throw the dirt on the music.

[Allen Iverson]

Throw the dirt on him and all that.

[Crack]

Yeah, before that was Rob. I don't want to bring bad, but Rob Boogie. Yeah, Rob Boogie was our guy. I think. I think Rob Boogie made us even tighter.

[Allen Iverson]

For sure.

[Crack]

Because he's originally from the Bronx.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah.

[Crack]

And he used to talk mega about Fat Joe and Terror Squad. AI, you don't. I want to get the moms, right? Do you remember the first place I ever met you? I'll tell you.

[Allen Iverson]

Well, it wasn't no, you took me to Jimmy's.

[Crack]

No, no, way. Before that. Let me tell you. So you was a kid. We both was kids. But Flo Jo was out. I'm telling you, we was kids. What you trying to say? I'm. Wow, older than. Get the fuck out of here. The point is, I got a show in Virginia. I ain't got $2 to rub together. You was just going to college and all that, but you came up to me and you had a bunch of dudes with you. And y' all all was in army fatigue. It was like a fucking movie. I gotta put that in my series, right? And it's a dark parking lot after the show. And you just walking up with all these. I don't know who the you is. You walking up with all these dudes. You say, yo, crack I with you. You know who I am? I was like, nah, yo, I'm Bubba Chuck, number one nigga. I'm going to lead this. This, that. That's how I met you. And you walked off and I was like, who is that guy? Like, I knew it was something special about you when I met you there. That's the first time I ever met you in the parking lot after the show. And you just came up and the whole crew had army fatigue jackets on. And y' all walked up. This is before the bread and all that. But you. Y' all walked up and you was like, yo, I'm.

[Mama Iverson]

I'm that.

[Crack]

I'm that dude. You gonna see me. I was like, I have my brother. And from there, you know, we always saw each other.

[Joe]

I like to say it don't matter how much money you got or how much you worth. You as powerful as who you can get on the phone for sure. And I always been able to get them on the phone, no matter when.

[Crack]

I used to get you on the phone. What's going on? You acting funny with me, bro. And moms just here. Moms don't you know. We're not playing that. You know, Moms. Yo, why you playing with me? I did something to you, man, don't do that.

[Allen Iverson]

So he can't get me on the phone either?

[Crack]

No, he could get you on the phone. Yo, bring that over here. I got something for you that you deserved a long time ago, my brother. That's why I'm a little late.

[Allen Iverson]

You gonna do that?

[Crack]

No, no, no, brother. Christine.

[Allen Iverson]

Jews. That's crazy.

[Crack]

You know what it is?

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah.

[Crack]

You cursed me out one day. Cause you ain't have one.

[Joe]

He should have been had one of Them top brother.

[Crack]

Cause this is my business partner. He's in on that. But that shit, you know, you deserve that. Long time ago, man.

[Allen Iverson]

Yo, yo, yo. That's crazy. Yo. I finally got my TS Shit.

[Crack]

Big ts, man.

[Joe]

Fire.

[Allen Iverson]

You said rock got my joint? Yeah.

[Crack]

Man. Curse me out, Fire, man. Them cursed me out 10,000 times.

[Allen Iverson]

Like, yo, man, where my joint at?

[Crack]

He don't play that.

[Allen Iverson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Only on Joe and Jada, man.

[Crack]

Oh, no. The man, that's my family. We love this guy. This is a different type of love.

[Joe]

Love.

[Crack]

All you other guys come on the show. Thanks for coming, but don't. Don't accept that he ain't get the cheap TS chain. He got that. Like, don't come up in with that. We'll give you a bubble gum. The 25 cents cracker jack joint. Cracker Jack. What's up, Jada?

[Mama Iverson]

You.

[Crack]

You know, we here, man.

[Joe]

We here to talk about the new docu series.

[Allen Iverson]

Tell us about it, man. Look, I said it last night at the premiere. The way I describe it, it's a confirmation to the world that the devil is a sucker. You know what I mean? And he can't fuck with me.

[Crack]

Fucking right, bro. Talk that shit.

[Allen Iverson]

He's a liar.

[Crack]

He's a liar.

[Allen Iverson]

He's a wimp. He's a shrimp.

[Crack]

That's right.

[Allen Iverson]

He's a peon. You know what I mean? He's a manipulator. He pray on the weak. He pray on the people that don't believe in God. You know what I mean? He's just a sucker. And my journey proves that. The ups and downs in my life, the turbulent times, the times where, you know, you fall down and then you believe in him so much, he enables you to get back up, brush yourself off, keep on going. My mom told me at 8 years old, I could be whatever I wanted to be in life. And I actually believed her, you know what I mean? All those times my friends in store garden, you know, used to tease me, Chuck, you know, saying he going to the NBA. No, nigga, don't nobody make it in the NBA from here. You know what I mean? N hit. This nigga took this line, you know what I mean? Come on, Chuck. You know what I mean? You ain't making it. Come back in the crib crying and all that. Ma, they said I can't do it. Whatever. She said, you can do whatever you want to do. From that moment, at 8 years old, I knew that I would be here right now, today, because of those words that came from her you know what I mean? And then navigating through this life, all the things I've been through, all the turbulent shit, the ups and downs, you know what I mean? My grandma told me before I got sentenced, the day they sent me to jail, I was 17. Well, I was 8 years old. They waited till I turned 18 to try me as an adult. 18 years old. And that morning I said, nana, why are they doing this to me if they know that I didn't do what they accused me of doing? Why is this happening to me, you know? Why is God letting this happen? And she said, son, don't you ever question God. And I never have, you know what I mean? From that point on, I never questioned God. Anything that happens going in my life, you know what I mean? I've been through a lot in my life, you know what I mean? I've been through, like, you talking about Rob Boogie, different friends of mine. True, you know what I mean? A lot of guys that I love, you know what I mean? A lot of people in my life, in my family that passed away, you know. Different things happening in my career, you know, Even getting to a point where my money was funny, you know. The lowest part of my life with getting divorced, you know what I mean? From a girl that I've been with my whole life.

[Crack]

That, man, bless you at your lowest.

[Allen Iverson]

You know what I mean?

[Crack]

I know everything.

[Allen Iverson]

And it's like when you think it's.

[Crack]

Over, you get a miracle check.

[Allen Iverson]

What?

[Crack]

Bam Bubba, jump back like a motherfucker, yo.

[Allen Iverson]

Never questioning them, though, what. You know what I mean? And it's a gift. It's a gift crack, you know what I mean? This documentary is a gift to that and everybody, like, you know, they do the. It's so cliche when we always talk about, you know, us as entertainers, athletes or whatever, that we only supposed to be role models to kids, you know what I mean? We inspire everybody, all ages, you know what I mean? We inspire them, you know what I mean? We help them believe, you know what I mean? They live through us and believe through us, you know what I mean? People look at it, if Chuck can make it, I know I can. And that's the message. That's the gift to show you everything that I went through, you know, throughout my life and being an open book, you know what I mean? A lot of motherfuckers just be so embarrassed about things that they went through in their life, the ups and downs and the mistakes that they made. I ain't that, you know what I Mean, my girl tell me all the time, you always let motherfuckers stress you out and you care so much about people. Why do you do that?

[Mama Iverson]

And.

[Allen Iverson]

And that's not a gift that I have. I don't know how. I try my hardest to not let it stress me out. Whatever. I'm just like that. I'm a big hearted people person, and I love who I love. You know what I mean? But my gift, a gift that I do have is that I am an open book. I don't mind, you know, telling you the mistakes that I make. I tell my kids all the time, you know, why do you have to learn the hard way? You know what I mean? And I already did. You know what I mean? Why can't you listen to what I'm telling you? I love you. I. I want you to do what's right. I don't want you to go through the shit that I went through. And I made this big ass uproar like last. Night before last, when was it? Tawan? Night before last, we did Atlanta, the book tour. And Tip told me, he said he moderated my joint. And he was like, yo, man, your homeboys did a number on you. You know, but he was saying it. You know, he was saying it like, all you talk about is the pain and the hurt that you have from the dudes that you grew up with, like, these motherfuckers. Like, I was the one that took that ass whooping with bringing your entourage. And you remember, I was the first one that took everybody from my hood with me, you know what I mean, to show them the world. And ain't none of them here something.

[Crack]

Controversial all the time. And ain't none of them here. I say you the closest thing to Tupac because you're the only person I ever seen play basketball and have a fucking after party in every city where the real is, guys, these guys ain't no fucking chumps. Got the AI, the Allen Iverson jerseys on the whole fucking party every night. Guys that won't give it up to somebody, guys that ain't in the business of being suckers. They was wearing the AI jerseys. And I was like, yo, I always tell everybody, I said, yo, that was the closest thing I seen. The Tupac Shakur, the love and the pure respect from every gangster in every hood that you have always had. You know, I want to go back to the devil, right? Because I want people out there to know if you righteous and you God's child. And you know that all you want to do is Help people give back to your community. Help your friends be a good role model. Even though you know we flawed and somebody attack you direct. I don't think they just bad people. I don't think they semi evil. I think they doing the devil's work, right. If they know you with God, right? Because there's been some times in my life where I say, yo, God, you know, I'm God's. I'm God's child, sure. And they coming at me like this. I already know. I said, yo, this guy's down with the devil.

[Allen Iverson]

He send the motherfuckers in sheep clothing like he sent him, you know what I mean?

[Joe]

You gotta meanest disguises ever.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah. You know what I mean? And I've seen it. He's a sucker, you know what I mean? Why you think the motherfucker never win? He always in second place. He powerful, but he always in second place. He never win. He on guard's heel, but he don't never win. You a sucker, you a loser.

[Crack]

Remind me of that old school movie where the whole style has jumped.

[Allen Iverson]

Your whole style, his whole stylist jump.

[Crack]

He a sucker. His whole style is choked.

[Allen Iverson]

Only people want to be like him or look up to him or rock with him is weak people, you know what I mean? Weak people. Easy to influence people. People that's easy to manipulate, you know what I mean? That's why I love. Like. I talk all that shit about the injustices that niggas did to me in my life. But it's like a gift back to God. It's like, here you go, Chuck. Here go the motherfuckers you need, you.

[Mama Iverson]

Know what I mean?

[Allen Iverson]

Look at the people you got with you now. Yeah, it still hurt. Cause you love them. But here go the people that you have now. Here go the new support system.

[Crack]

There's still people we gonna figure out.

[Allen Iverson]

Ain'T the ones for sure, you know what I mean? I ain't that. I ain't in it like one thing.

[Crack]

I want, that's me all the time.

[Allen Iverson]

My old friends. I ain't putting no article in the Daily Press talking about I need new. Look what I got, man. Look what I have in my life.

[Joe]

Talk slow, Norm.

[Allen Iverson]

Chuck, you know what I'm saying? I don't need to make no new friends. I got a lot of beautiful people around me. A great support system around me, man. I got motherfuckers that's around me don't tell me what I need to hear, or I mean what I want to hear. They tell me What I need to hear, you know what I mean? The hardest thing for me, to have this heart that I have, everybody think is like that on the court, off the court is even bigger. And the hardest thing for me, that I had to learn. This is a message to everybody. And it ain't just kids, you know what I mean? You got to implement that word, no, in your vocabulary, man. Gotta be able to say no. I thought that I could take care of the world, bro. You know what I mean? And. And. And I thought I. You know, people used to tell me all the time, you, you can't do it. And I used to think I was the exception to the rule, but you cannot do it, bro. You know what I mean? But now the pendulum swinging the way it is. Trust me, this go around is gonna be totally different.

[Crack]

Not only that. Let me tell you something, Chuck. Not only that, you know, a lot of things they say is cliche, but it's for a reason. It's like everybody can't go. Yeah, you know me, same thing, the entourage. I walk in the Royal palace in Dubai.

[Joe]

And what's your name over there?

[Crack]

My name is Ali Kashani. Salaam alaikum. Bismillah Rafaeen. And so I walk into Royal palace, and for me, I tell them all the time, I'm not afraid to say, I came from shit, right? The projects, welfare, you know. See, my mom's begging the man behind the window to please give us some food stamps for Thanksgiving. I've seen a borrow. The reason why I feed so many thousands of families and Thanksgiving is because I used to see my mother have to borrow from my uncle. And, you know, they would act funny, you know, yo, I need some turkey for my kids. So I give back. But you know the crazy part about it? Damn, I forgot. What the fuck? Why was I. What did I start that shit? I'm getting the Alzheimer's, man. Yeah, you know, but what I'm saying is, huh. It's a flag on that. But listen, what was out there? You should know what I'm talking about. You guys are here to know what you talking about.

[Joe]

Oh, shaving everyone was the thing I try to save. Yeah.

[Crack]

I walk in the palace and I look to the right. I can't believe I'm here. Me, Fat Joe, cannot believe I'm in the royal palace. They wash your hands when you walk in. You take another step, they give you tea, you take another one, a fig. It's out of control. The guys I bring with me, one of them in particular from The Bronx with me. We all the way in the Middle East. Dubai, his pants down to his. His ass down here. Walking in the Royal Palace, I looked at him, I said, man, I'll punch you in your face so fucking hard if you don't pick them fucking pants up.

[Allen Iverson]

Where my man at? My man in here?

[Crack]

No, he ain't here.

[Allen Iverson]

No, my dog, my dog, we in the Royal. Yeah, I want him to hear this.

[Crack]

Show some respect.

[Allen Iverson]

I ain't gonna say your name.

[Crack]

No, I'm just saying.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah.

[Crack]

I'm walking in the Royal Palace. I look his pants under his ass. I said, yo, my man, you want to get punched in your face? You show some respect. The guy like, you never be in the. You know that. Still order. Ordering chicken tenderloins and order some lobster.

[Mama Iverson]

Some.

[Joe]

How did we get it?

[Crack]

No, what I'm trying to say is everybody can't go. You want to show you want to help everybody, but everybody can go. Can't go with you to where you go. Everybody ain't. The truth is everybody ain't for the promised land.

[Allen Iverson]

My man can go. He just can't go like that no more. He can go. He just. He know he can't go like that no more. Yeah, he going wherever I'm going.

[Joe]

Airport, man.

[Crack]

Listen, that's not my point. My point is show some respect. You know, you in some shit. I don't. I can't believe I'm in this shit and I look at you. You embarrassing me, you know? You don't know what this meeting could lead to. It could lead to money. It could lead to business. It could lead, definitely relationships. They looking like, yo, look at Joe with this dusty dude. Like, yo, we can't play that game. Like, have some fucking respect. But that's my point.

[Allen Iverson]

They're a reflection. They definitely a reflection of you. They definitely gotta represent your brand. They gotta care about your brand, man. You know what I mean? It's being selfish. You know what I mean? You just thinking about yourself. You know, it's a bigger picture. You know what I mean? Like I said, my man, he got it together, but he was like that. But wherever I go, he going.

[Joe]

The series executive produced by Shaq and Steph. Yeah, I mean, I know Shaq is your man. I got a lot of Reebok money over there.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What's up with Steph? Him and Steph doing some production shit or.

[Allen Iverson]

I mean, they, you know, they just let me go for mine, you know, just like the vice president role. You know what I mean? Shaq, ultimately, he Made the final decision, but damn if he ain't gonna holler at Lil bro. Like what you think? And you know what I mean, I give him my ideas and he let me rock, you know what I mean? And then we collectively make our decisions. Steph, just to me is just an honor, man. Like, I just admire the dude, you know what I mean? Squeaky clean, but you know, behind the scenes he just like us, you know what I mean?

[Joe]

One of us. No doubt.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah. And then he. And then he. That man, just things that he can do, man. He a straight serial killer, you know what I mean? He must see TV. I don't never, man. I got DirecTV. Well, what is it, the league pass? League pass or whatever. I got that just for him, you know what I mean? I don't miss no Golden State game, you know what I mean? I got to see that goddamn light skinned killer every night, you know what I mean? Man, that dude right there is different, you know what I mean? He's like. When you talk about a dude, like, motherfuckers be like, yo, he him. Like he him.

[Joe]

For real?

[Allen Iverson]

For real.

[Joe]

Well, so tell us about Rest in peace coach John Thompson. Big John. What did he mean? What does he mean? What did he do for you?

[Allen Iverson]

I was looking at Instagram yesterday. I seen, you know, they put a quote in there, you know, but they put it in there like I said it, you know what I mean? But it's some shit that come from him, you know what I mean? And he said, you always listening to guys and your homegirls in your family, everybody from your neighborhood, when you getting advice, you know what I mean? Because that's where you at. That's where the older heads, they give it to you, you know what I mean? What they know what they've been through in life. But Coach always used to tell me, you always listening to somebody that's trying to tell you how to get from A to Z and they ain't never been there, you know what I mean? And he was giving me that message and it resonated with me so much when I did this documentary and when I did the book of how I'm trying to help save lives by my experience, you know what I mean? And that's what I, that's what I'm able to give to the youth and, and, and to my peers and people that, you know, that relate to me. I made it from A to Z, you know, I mean, obviously I didn't. I came out, you know, I came out unscathed. I'VE been through a lot, but I made it from A to Z. When I go to my neighborhoods and I go to the Boys and Girls Club and I do stuff for Thanksgiving and Christmas and stuff like that, when they looking at me, they looking at somebody that grew up where they from, you know what I mean? Like, you can't sit. You don't have no excuses. You looking right at the dude. You can go over there and touch him, you can dap him up. That's the dude right there. He come from where you know the parents telling him he come from where you come from. You can't tell me you can't make it out of here because he did it. You know what I mean? And for me to be able to go from A to Z and to have an impact far as my voice, to help somebody, you know what I mean, fulfill their dreams, man. To me, that's God. It's God. It's God gift.

[Crack]

We know you. Bad News. They had another star in Bad News.

[Allen Iverson]

Mike Vick for sure.

[Crack]

Did you see the birth of Mike Vick? That you know what was going on with Mike Vick? Did you being from the same neighborhood, did you know he was going to be great?

[Allen Iverson]

Mike was younger than me, you know what I mean?

[Crack]

He came, he came up after.

[Allen Iverson]

Came up after me, you know what I mean? Like, he came up on me basically, you know what I mean? So he watched everything that I went through. You did, you know what I mean? And then obviously, sky blue drop top.

[Crack]

Bentleys coming through that bad movie. Ain't nobody, yo, nobody was. Where he from, the AI? You had a lot of fucking cars, man. Them shits was coming like, I thought this shit was free. I remember, I didn't know I'm riding with you. Nah, he crazy. I'm telling you the truth. I thought the shit was three. The man coming with three. Back to back, drop top shit, this, he coming up three, three. Yo, it's disgusting.

[Allen Iverson]

I remember Steph told me. Steph Marbury, that's right. I love Steph. That's my dog. I love Steph to death. Steph told me one time, we was just talking, just me and him was in the back of the bus. And he was like, chuck, man, why do you have two Phantoms and the same Phantom? Just the different colors, like, for what? You know what I mean? I swear to God, back then I thought it was like, now you gotta.

[Joe]

Looking at that one pair of legs.

[Crack]

I was driving this shit to New York from Philly. We don't know nothing about the mileage, nothing.

[Joe]

He pulled up the Wyo.

[Allen Iverson]

I used to run out of gas. And the motherfucker just, man, just wowed you, man. But when I came to lee, I was 21.

[Joe]

Yo, one of the joints ran out of gas.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, I was 21.

[Joe]

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[Crack]

Right?

[Joe]

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[Crack]

You know, I already downloaded the Hard Rock.

[Allen Iverson]

Bad joint.

[Joe]

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[Crack]

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[Mama Iverson]

All I know is what I've been told. And that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Narrator]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Mama Iverson]

I'm telling you. We know Quincy killed her.

[Narrator]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Joe]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Narrator]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Joe]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said it.

[Crack]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her.

[Allen Iverson]

They made me say that I poured.

[Mama Iverson]

Gas on her.

[Narrator]

From Lava for Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Crack]

America. Y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Narrator]

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[Hunter]

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[Narrator]

In early 1988, federal agents race to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Joe]

We had 30 agents ready to go.

[Allen Iverson]

With shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Narrator]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[Crack]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter?

[Joe]

I said yes.

[Allen Iverson]

They go, oh, you may not see.

[Crack]

Her for like 25 years.

[Narrator]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[Crack]

Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw.

[Mama Iverson]

The flash of light.

[Narrator]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Crack]

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[Joe]

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[Crack]

Also in October, we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and.

[Allen Iverson]

Figure out why black people always gotta die first. The umbral reliquary invites any and all fool brave enough to peruse its many curiosities. But take heed, all sales are final.

[Joe]

Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly with a full episode.

[Allen Iverson]

Read and a commentary special.

[Crack]

And we will cap it off with horror movie Battle Royale. Jason versus Freddy. Michael Myers versus the alien thing with the little tongue monster. October, we're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Traverse podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Your AI you remember I got too many stories with you that we. We'll chill on.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, I know, I know. I listen to your stories.

[Crack]

No, you listen to my stories.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, see, that's why I say one you wanted. That's why I say, that's why I.

[Crack]

Tell people, you know, we got beat up in bad news.

[Allen Iverson]

Man, don't do that.

[Crack]

I'm trying to.

[Allen Iverson]

And you know Ross started that.

[Crack]

Oh, so he start. Something happened.

[Allen Iverson]

Rock, you remember.

[Crack]

All right, you admitting that something happened.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah. You say I got you beat up. He got hit by in the chest with a Heineken bottle.

[Crack]

Yo, but they threw a bottle.

[Allen Iverson]

He say, I got him beat up.

[Joe]

He got hit.

[Allen Iverson]

Somebody threw a higgin bottle and hit.

[Joe]

Him in the chest. Hit him in the chest.

[Allen Iverson]

I. I never said. I never said that didn't happen. But he said, he said, I got.

[Joe]

Him beat up to the chest. Did nothing to you.

[Allen Iverson]

He said, I got him beat up.

[Crack]

Beat up. Well, first of all, Rob snuffed the dude.

[Allen Iverson]

Ra Ra jumped in the crowd after the dude, right?

[Crack]

We are his birthday party. He the hottest shit going on out there, right? I don't understand this shit. One minute we over there, we like, yo, we were AI bad news. The next thing, they throwing so many.

[Allen Iverson]

No, man, you was rapping. You was performing. You was performing. And it was a motherfucker in the stands that wanted to. He wanted the mic. And Rod was telling the dude chill. And then after he started telling him chill, then the dude was, fuck y' all then. Da da da, da da. And then Rod just what I do.

[Crack]

Know is we had to duck. They threw. They threw so many glasses Of Jack Daniels.

[Allen Iverson]

You got hit by a.

[Crack]

That shit was called.

[Allen Iverson]

Got hit by a Heineken bottle. See, whenever people talk about him capping on the joint. See, I know him personally, so I know I've never known him as a liar. You know what I mean? And what people gotta understand should take the flags back.

[Joe]

Listen.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, yeah, listen, but listen. I'm listening.

[Crack]

Only.

[Allen Iverson]

Only thing, like the stories that you know where I wasn't there. You know what I mean? I can't confirm them. You know what I mean? All I can, I can speak on the person that's telling the story. So I know he don't. He don't lie. He never lied to me. So when he telling my stories, that's what I go off. So he get him 99.9%, right? Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

[Crack]

We got our ass beat, man.

[Allen Iverson]

That didn't happen.

[Crack]

Telling you the truth.

[Allen Iverson]

If he called hit by the bottle, he got his ass whipped.

[Crack]

We played 70 games of spade for sure. And we was in there for hours. And we were so hyped to go to this part. I don't know what the fuck happened.

[Allen Iverson]

I just told you what happened.

[Crack]

Cause when we pull up, everybody chasing us. Like, he got the drop tops out there. So it's like Ali, boombaye, everybody. Yo, yo, they. Yeah, you know.

[Allen Iverson]

Cause, yo, you remember what you told to me in front of my Uncle Stevie house? I wanna know that date we, we was in. Yeah, I ain't gonna throw no flag on him. Look, I'm telling you, look, if you think about all the shit that he's done in his life and the places he's been and the events he's been to, like, and all the shit that go on in a motherfucker like his life, man, you cannot be totally accurate on everything. The shit get blurry and then we. Well, I know I drunk a lot, you know what I mean? But I remember being in front of my uncle, in front of Uncle Stevie House. I had the blue Bentley Azure drop top joint. And we were sitting out in front of the joint and he was like, yo, Chuck, I'mma have one of these one day. You know what I mean? And the first, I don't know, what was your first color? Was it the silver one?

[Crack]

Sky blue. Sky blue.

[Allen Iverson]

Sky blue joint. And I remember, I don't know. I don't know. I know it wasn't the video. Cause, you know, usually in the videos, you know. Cause I had. When I was in Atlanta, I had everybody using my car as a video. But I remember seeing you in it. It was something they was doing. And you was driving the joint. And, man, I was watching it on tv and it fucked me up. You know what I mean? It felt so damn good. Cause I was like, yo, like, I was a part of that. Like, he told me that he was gonna get him one of them joints. And you had the joint. That man, you got the joint.

[Crack]

You know, I got the picture with him. He was like Fat Joe. This guy you remember, he was Big Jadakiss. He was a little chubby.

[Joe]

Never like Fat Joe.

[Crack]

He was a little Pl. I got the picture, J. I got the picture. You could do pull ups now with one finger and all that. But back then you was eating that fried chicken. Boy, that boy boy some shit up. I got that picture. He get mad. I post that like every three months for no reason. Be like, me and Jada.

[Joe]

They be like.

[Crack]

I don't get mad. Why you posting that shit, Joe?

[Joe]

I love when you post, man.

[Crack]

Let me.

[Allen Iverson]

Yo, do you remember that night, though?

[Crack]

I do.

[Allen Iverson]

You took. No, I'm talking about when you took me. We couldn't find a hotel.

[Crack]

You remember that?

[Allen Iverson]

Remember that? When you told that story.

[Crack]

Let me. Yo, but I told it the right way. Yes, you did, but let me tell.

[Allen Iverson]

You, I don't know about. I don't think I had a game the next day, though.

[Crack]

Yes, you did. Cause we were smacked. Listen, first of all, the owner hate me. What's his name?

[Allen Iverson]

Pat Croce.

[Crack]

He thought I'm smoking and drinking with you and this and this and that. He told me one day we went to some Adam Sandler window. And he said, fat Joe, man, I'm so proud of you, man. How you. He said, I used to tell him all the time, I didn't want you with Chuck. I thought you was a bad guy. I said, yo, I was the nicest guy here. What the fuck are you talking about? So he comes up, he got a game, like Saturday. And he come to Jimmy's Cafe with us. He got the drop top.

[Allen Iverson]

And you said I was driving. I was not drunk.

[Crack]

All right? You wasn't driving. So I was driving.

[Allen Iverson]

I never drove drunk. I never did.

[Crack]

Okay, he never drove drunk, right?

[Allen Iverson]

I used to be drunk as a motherfucker.

[Crack]

Let me explain something, okay? Like, we was tore down. Bubba Chuck had the game the next day. But I mean, like, not regular. Like smack. Like walking sideways and shit.

[Allen Iverson]

You said, my man said, I threw up. And I ain't never throw up. I never threw up drinking. Yeah. Cause I Remember you telling the story? I ain't never threw up drinking.

[Crack]

We pull up in my man's house in the bummiest area of the Bronx. It's the only place to go.

[Allen Iverson]

Do you remember him? Do you still rock with him?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Crack]

Slept on clothes. Yes, we slept on clothes. House is so bummy that they got clothes all on the floo.

[Joe]

You still cool with.

[Crack]

Of course. He's family. What you want me to say? I'm telling you a true story.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah.

[Crack]

We spend the night. He got a game against the Knicks the next day. I wake up, he's gone already. So I wake up, say 10 in the morning. Chuck is gone already. I don't know how he did it. So I go to the Knicks shooting round.

[Joe]

Nick, you got to get.

[Crack]

Man, if I'm. I'm keeping it a buck with you. We drank so much, I had diarrhea the next day, like I was fucked.

[Allen Iverson]

Oh, and Jimmy's too.

[Crack]

Jimmy, I was too. That was crazy. And I go to the. I'm up. So I go to the game and I'm purposely. I'm not Courtside. I'm like 10th row, like hiding. And I'm looking at. He dropped like 41.

[Joe]

He was in the yallows in the.

[Crack]

Joe Button C. Stop. You gotta stop.

[Allen Iverson]

You think about it though. Think about it. How old was I? That recovery time was nothing.

[Joe]

It was nothing, man.

[Crack]

Remember the game me and you went to when Larry Johnson hit the three point shot? You remember that shit? Me and AI was in there. We was just chilling and y' all had just got out the playoffs.

[Allen Iverson]

I'm calling me AI. Nah, it's just crazy.

[Crack]

Me and you, we went to the game. He was like, yo, Joe, you got tickets to the game? I said, let's go. He said, let's go. And they had just got eliminated the round before. And that's when your man Larry Johnson hit the shop with n. Went crazy. I'm sitting next to. I've been looking to see if anybody got a picture that day. You know how legendary that day is.

[Allen Iverson]

Yes.

[Crack]

When Larry Johnson hit the three point.

[Allen Iverson]

Shot, it was the crowd. It was the way the crowd who was crazy.

[Crack]

Oh, shit. I'm looking for me and AI. And all the pictures, all the videos, all the things, I can't see it, you know. Cause now they try to say, I'm Cap, you know, Now I gotta bring the receipts out.

[Joe]

You got all your legendary moments. We got the best commercial ever done.

[Allen Iverson]

Hell, you talking about? In the history, in the history, in the history.

[Crack]

Bring the flags back.

[Allen Iverson]

Craziest.

[Joe]

They keep wanting to come over. I think it should just be original and do something else.

[Allen Iverson]

Gotta figure something out.

[Joe]

Gotta leave that alone.

[Allen Iverson]

Gotta. You gotta figure something else out. Like, they try to. Like when I do commercials and shit like that. They try to get me to do the step over over again. And I try to do it. I don't know how to do it because I didn't know what I was doing in the moment. It just. Shit just happened, you know what I mean? But that commercial right there, I knew who I wanted. When they talked to me and came to me and was like, yo, we're gonna do it like this. I said, oh, yeah, I know who I'm going to get. That shit's so legendary.

[Joe]

On the mixtapes. They was playing it in the club.

[Allen Iverson]

They was playing it in the club.

[Joe]

It was crazy.

[Allen Iverson]

Crazy.

[Crack]

That's a historical moment in hip hop. And top five, step over.

[Joe]

You know, he hates that.

[Crack]

I thought I had beef with the guy who AI hates that.

[Joe]

You don't like that.

[Allen Iverson]

I just love. I just love.

[Crack]

You know, I had, like, fake beef with, man, I tell you.

[Allen Iverson]

I tell you.

[Crack]

I grilled him for the rest of his life.

[Allen Iverson]

Yo, I tell you. I tell you a story about. About.

[Crack]

Dude, he crazy, man.

[Allen Iverson]

I tell you a story about. Dude the next year, man. He put me through hell, though. He was. He was a pest, you know what I mean? And Shaq and Kobe, they was fucking with him because I was his idol. So they was like, before the joint started, they was like, yo, you gonna let him go out there and have his way? You know what I mean? Cause you looked up to him and this, that, and the third, and that's why we were getting at it the way we were. And I hated him. And I remember he had got after him going to war with me like that. He was getting. He was a free agent, he was getting offers. Crazy. And he went to Washington and they gave him like 5 million a year or something like that. And you know, like right where we left off, you know, we was going at it again in the game, going at it. Somebody was shooting a free throw and we was in the back court and I was talking shit to him, he talking shit to me. We ready to fight and all that. And I was like, look, motherfucker, I said, you got that little ass 5 million a year, you know what I mean? Because of me. And the motherfuckers did some shit I would have did. He looked at me and said, thank you. Yeah. And both of Us just started laughing and we've been like this ever since. Man, that's my motherfucking.

[Crack]

A lot of times people you go to war with, you build a certain respect. Cause you go to war with certain chumps that you don't respect. You be like, yo, these guys a sucker. But when you find a formidable adversary, you turn around, you come up out of it. You find a way to be men and squash it. Sure, you got a different level of respect for them. And they got a different level of respect for you too.

[Allen Iverson]

For sure.

[Crack]

That's cool. Who's the biggest? You would say him. Who's the biggest? Wars. Like what was it like, man? Going to play against Kobe Bryant?

[Allen Iverson]

You started to ask the question and that was going to be my answer. It was going to be him. Biggest wars. Yeah. And then you asked me what was it like, you know what I mean? So you know, we can kill two birds with one stone. I mean, bro wars, you know what I mean? Cause I used to feel like with me, Demar Johnson was the same way because you know, cause how tall he was, you know what I mean? He was 16. He gave me problems cause he could back up off of me and just contest the jump. Yeah. You know what I mean? He could just back up off of me. Yeah. You know what I mean? And he could get a hand up, you know what I mean? Anybody else?

[Crack]

Ass mother.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, but Kobe too. Kobe 66 and Kobe could move like he could lateral. He could move lateral. He was a defense, he was a dog, you know what I mean? So me and him had wars, but like if you not my size, you know what I mean? Especially like Marcus Banks, you're a hoop head, so you know. Remember Marcus Banks stock? He's six' two, you know what I mean? He used to give me problems cause he could move laterally. Then if I get by him, he had to. He was like, Steph gave me problems, you know what I mean? You know, Cole had a lot of that into him. He did strength and then he was like a defensive minded dude. I mean, he gave me problems, but nobody really could, you know what I'm saying? Nobody really could, you know, if I had a bad night, you know, nine times out of ten it was me, you know what I mean? But I used to go through some wars with Kobe and it was so different to me. It won't fail and it show you what type of dog he was because he would guard me, but I ain't have to guard him, you know what I mean?

[Joe]

I want to throw this name out to you. Because me being your brother and close to you and feeling it might be biased on this because I felt like he was unfair to you. But it might have been some things you learned from him, from the harsh realities and punishments and the way it felt like he looked at you from the inside out. Cause you was actually in the league. And after the deal with Rest in.

[Allen Iverson]

Peace, Commissioner Davis, my man, you know what I mean? My man.

[Joe]

Like, man, I had beef with him for a while. It's like, why is he just hating?

[Allen Iverson]

Oh, no, we had problems, but he, you know what I mean? Unlike Commissioner Silver, you know what I mean? He got to know me, you know, in the aftermath of playing in the league. And he had a better understanding because David Stern, me and him, became close later on in my career after taking time to try to understand who I really was, you know what I mean? A lot of times you get thrown off, you know what I mean, by the look and the perception, you know what I mean? The braids, the cornrows, the baggy, you know what I mean? The baggy clothes and all that. And you don't get a chance to. It's just the person you don't know, you know what I mean? Like, I always use this analogy. You look at John Gotti, you know what I mean? He got the dappledon, he got the supes on, you know what I mean? He's smooth, but in the streets, John Carti, get busy. Adrian Smith, you know what I mean? And it's that perception you look at. What's the movie? Reservoir Dogs, they robbed that jewelry store. What they have on suits, you know what I mean? Most times a woman walking down the street, she won't grab her purse if she see a clean cut guy walking down the street with a suit on. But a dude dressing like us, you know what I mean? Gonna grab that joint, you know what I mean? It was like David Stern, after he took the time to get to know me, then we became close, you know what I mean? And you know, may he rest in peace, man, he was a he. I frowned out cause I didn't like him. But I, you know, I got to know him too, man. Beautiful man, you know what I mean? It was just a perception.

[Crack]

Now, the man came to the Rucker, he threw the TS chain on. David Stern came to the Rucker, threw the TS chain on. He came to see the Texas safety. He was real safe. He was real safe with that shit. But let me tell you something. This Adam Silver, man, I love this commissioner, man.

[Allen Iverson]

Me too.

[Crack]

Special guy, man. When it all went down with George Floyd and all that, you know, he always with the people. He always understand. He always with the culture. And I'm no groupie, but every time I see him, I take the time out to be like, yo, Commish, what's up? Cause I really feel him as a person and how he tries to do right by everybody.

[Allen Iverson]

He's a player.

[Joe]

He's cool.

[Crack]

Of course.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah.

[Crack]

Come on.

[Allen Iverson]

He was there. He was. He was at the joint last night.

[Joe]

He know the words that. Lean back.

[Allen Iverson]

Hey, yo, no, listen, listen. When I did that bullshit ass rap album, when I did that shit. And you know I was doing that, but I was doing that. Cause Rob wanted me to do it. I ain't never, man. I was. I'm so embarrassed when I hear that shit now. But we. We only got. We don't spend no time on that. But the most embarrassing shit was when I did the album. I had to come here to meet with him.

[Crack]

David Stern.

[Allen Iverson]

Yes. And Theo Rattlef came with me. He was the players representative. So he was on my team. He had to. You know, I. We rode in the limo all the way there. First thing he started, he was talking shit to me about. Cause I had a Cleveland Indians jersey. I remember we was wearing the jerseys and shit back then. I had the Indians hat on. He was like, why you got on Major League Baseball stuff? You're in the NBA. I'm like, what? You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? And then out of nowhere, man, he pulled out a piece of paper. Sitting there looking like, yo, fuck is he doing, bro? The man started reading the lyrics. Lyrics, man, I. I wanted to crawl up under the table.

[Crack]

Yeah.

[Allen Iverson]

You know what I mean? I was so embarrassed, man. I mean, the curse. Look, the curse words, everything.

[Crack]

You know, I was at the studio sessions, man.

[Allen Iverson]

Yo, man, yo, that shit was so embarrassing. You know what I mean? But.

[Crack]

Yo, listen. Yo, Chuck, let me tell you something, boy. We can use the money. But I'm gonna keep coming back to this book. We give it to a charity, but I think they owe you reparations. I think right now, everything AI ever stood for, if we take. If we tell somebody. We tell somebody. Every single point guard in the NBA somehow always wanted to be Alan Ops. Or you're their idol, or they want to wear number three. Or, you know, now they got cameras filming their clothes when they mom you. You don't like that shit, mom, but. Cause you know, you went through a Lot. And now they dressing like him and we celebrate.

[Allen Iverson]

No, but I took the ass whooping for it. Like, I. Yeah, you was in the underground. But they. But they. The best part about it. The best part about it. They give me my flowers for it. You know what I mean? That's the. That's the.

[Crack]

Yeah, but you.

[Allen Iverson]

That's what I get that you call.

[Crack]

For them to walk and I want some money for.

[Allen Iverson]

But they respect. They respect it. That's why. That's why I love them. That's why I'm watching the game before. Before the game. Come on. I'm watching the red carpet joint. You know what I mean? Like. And it's.

[Mama Iverson]

It's a.

[Crack]

It's a beautiful feeling, man, let me tell you something. Every time I watch, maybe I'm biased because of you, but every time. And I love him, I always big up like Sha. Whoever could dress, you know, I'm into fashion, so I love what they doing. But every time, I'm not going to lie to you, they walk in them tunnels, I be like, yo, they owe AI money. They find you every game.

[Allen Iverson]

They show love for it. They give me my flowers for it. That's the only thing that matter to me. It was worth getting my ass whooped for it. It was worth it to see them do their thing, to see them express themselves like that. When you look at the game, everybody don't play the same. What the hell you gonna dress the same for? You know what I mean? I was 21 years old, dog. Where the fuck am I going after the game, while I'm gonna need a suit on? I'm going to the club, I'm going.

[Joe]

To Fridays, going to Friday, you know what I'm saying? Bucket of Corona.

[Allen Iverson]

And I ain't never, like I said before, I ain't never wore no.

[Crack]

Do you got documentary? You got that in the documentary Fridays?

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Crack]

After every single game.

[Joe]

Ladies and gentlemen was legendary, I think.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, he had a dj.

[Joe]

Everybody in here been to TGIFS before.

[Crack]

Yo, this guy had the Fridays on.

[Joe]

Tilt at the home game in Philly. If you never went. I call it his Friday. It was so lit. They booked me there.

[Crack]

I said, they booked you on Friday.

[Joe]

I got one of his Fridays after the game. Shit was off.

[Allen Iverson]

The shit had to reserve tables and everything.

[Crack]

I was there every Friday.

[Joe]

What's up with the book, though?

[Allen Iverson]

It did good. I mean, obviously bestseller, you know what I mean? Would it take less than a week? It's just my story. It's kind of. It's Basically. Basically, like me, my mom, my sister, my little sister. It's basically our story. Like, you know, before it was any type of support system with all of my friends, the good ones and the bad ones, it was us as a family. It was us. Like, literally, we all. We got type shit, you know what I mean? It was my mom. My mom had me when she was 15. She had me now. Like, I told her last night, she fucked the bag up because if she would've had me 10 years later, this shit, they getting paid right now. We would attest some of that. And no, me and my mom, we grew up together. Like, I used to go to her basketball games when I was a little, you know, little dude, you know, we were real family oriented, you know what I mean? We were always tight as a unit. And it just show everything, man. It give you everything. It give you. You think you know, but you don't know, you know what I mean? And I love, like, having that platform to be able not to so much explain yourself or nothing, man. Just to be able to tell your story, regardless how they accept it or not, you know, they don't have to accept it the way you want them to or anything like that. I always realized in my life and coming up that, Chuck, it's gonna be millions of motherfuckers that love you, and it's gonna be a million motherfuckers that hate you, you know what I mean? You concentrate on the ones that love you, you know what I mean? You trying to sit around and explain yourself, you know what I mean, all the time, and explain every move you make. And this, that. And the third, I was saying last night, like, everybody always talking about, man, if I was AI, I would do this, bro, you not. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Do something else.

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, I mean, if you waiting on being AI, then you in trouble, you in trouble, you know what I mean? You need to concentrate on what you would do being yourself, you know what I mean? So the book wasn't about. It's like a gift, man. It's like, I'm going to show you, you know what I mean? And I don't want people to think that my story is no different from Crack growing up where he grew up at, from Jason growing up, where he grew up at. All that shit was hard, you know what I mean? We ain't gonna put levels on what was hard. It was hard, you know what I mean? And it's resiliency. It's like, okay, it's hard. And my percentage is low of Me being able to do what I ultimately want to do. And that's just to get my family out of here, you know what I mean? And that's the goal, you know what I mean? You don't sit around and try to compare how hard it was I wanted the most accolades because, you know what I mean? It was rougher in Newport News and Hampton than it was in the Bronx, you know what I mean? That ain't what it is. It's like all of us should be champion from just the goal. Even if we made it from somewhere that we was silver spoon mouth motherfuckers, you know what I mean? The goal is still hard. You still gotta put in the work to do it.

[Crack]

They gave us a sign. I don't know who's controlling your time, but hold up. So we only got five minutes. Mama, come over here. I want you to sit on the couch. Make this shit legendary, you know what I'm saying? Sit down. Mama, you know we love you. How proud are you to be Bubba Chuck's moms and his journey in life? You know, with Bubba Chuck and all the success and how you see him come around as a man, it's important because you're the first mother athlete's mother that we all fell in love with. We love you. Braiding his hair in the middle of the court.

[Mama Iverson]

And you, I gotta stop you with that. That's not me. I braided his hair from the first. He's supposed to know that I braided his hair from all the. When he first wanted his hair braided. Now I did braid his hair, but his hair was coming loose in the back and he was worried about his hair. You know, he liked to be fly. He was worried about his hair coming to loose. So, you know, my sister called me and she was like, ian, he keep on telling me and looking at me and I don't know how to braid hair. And I was like, but all you gotta do is just braid his hair. You braid him just the back of it. And so when I got there, I saw my son.

[Allen Iverson]

That cap is rubbing off on it. If it is cap, it's rubbing off. Cause Mommy got. Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause mommy got about over there.

[Allen Iverson]

Mommy got his oh, flag. Mommy got the story wrong. It is what it is. I gotta be authentic. You taught me to be that way.

[Crack]

What happened?

[Allen Iverson]

You know what I mean? It didn't go down. It didn't go down. And then he over there calling, now I'm Bubba Chuck. Why he talking to Mommy? Now? I go to. At first I was AI. Now I turn into Bubba Chuck when he talking to mommy.

[Crack]

But it didn't.

[Joe]

It ain't.

[Allen Iverson]

It ain't happened like that, but it happened. You, you, you.

[Mama Iverson]

I got my version too.

[Allen Iverson]

You got your version?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Allen Iverson]

Okay.

[Mama Iverson]

So all of a sudden, you know.

[Crack]

You know, your son, AI, you know, my mom's ain't here, man. So we want to hear it like, you know, how proud are you of your son, man, and all his accomplishments and how he inspired generations of people.

[Mama Iverson]

First of all, I was proud of him from the first day I saw him, you know, because back then, yeah, back then, back then when you have a baby. And I was so young, like he said, so, you know, I had to have him cesarean birth. And I was sleep. So when I came, when I woke up in recovery and they brought me to, brought him to me and I was like, he's so light and you know what I'm saying? But when he opened his eyes and he looked at me and I saw my eyes looking back at me, I said, oh, yeah, that's my baby, you know, And I checked everything on him. I checked everything on him. But what really blew my mind is first of all, I got kicked off the basketball team because I got pregnant with him. But what blew my mind was his hands and his arms. His arms was past his kneecap. When I laid them out like that, they went way past his kneecap. And I was like, I got a baller. And I was happy. I was happy. And so I told my family, I told my whole family. I was like, you know, I got a ballerina. So everybody was like looking at me like I was simple or whatever. But the thing is, from that point on, he came in my life and he was the perfect child. He was not hard headed. He would listen to everything I said and he loved the daylights out of me. And at that point, I needed love because of the fact that my mom had died at 29 years old. Malpractice. But anyways, the Iverson says senator to Virginia. And that's the best thing they could have done for me. And when I had him, when I was carrying him, I was pregnant, playing ball in Hartford, Connecticut. And I went from there to Bethel High School playing ball. And he had a favorite cheer. And his cheer.

[Allen Iverson]

Don't do that, Ma.

[Crack]

Okay, now we gotta hear it. We gotta hear it. Mama, Mama, Mama, listen to him. Yeah, tell us the cheer.

[Mama Iverson]

Yeah, it was your favorite cheer. And it used to be. No, no, it used to be everybody be on the court. And we had halftime. And then everybody else sing Go Bruins Go. And everybody will shut up and he'll say, shake that thing. So that's my story. But far as proud. I want to tell you something that he said to me this year. I said, bubba, I said, you know, I am so proud of you. I said, you just make me so proud. I'm proud of you. I just wanted to express that to him so he'll know it from my heart. Yeah. And he said, I'm not finished. He said, I'm not finished making you proud. And that's what he been doing.

[Joe]

With that being said, this ain't that. That ain't that. This cracking kiss makes some noise for our guests, AI and Mama Love.

[Hunter]

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[Narrator]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Crack]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Narrator]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire session. Season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Hunter]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. Stories like Erica Hunt. A young mother vanished without a trace after a family gathering on 4th of July weekend 2016. No goodbyes, no clues, just gone. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Allen Iverson]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Crack]

Five, six white people pushed me in the car. I'm going, what the hell? Basically your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[Mama Iverson]

All you gotta do is receive the package.

[Joe]

Don't have to open it, just accept it.

[Crack]

She was very upset, crying.

[Allen Iverson]

Once I saw the gun, I tried.

[Crack]

To take his hand and I saw.

[Mama Iverson]

The flash of light.

[Narrator]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts.