Joe and Jada - Fat Joe & Jadakiss on Tekashi 6ix9ine & hip hop's SNITCHING era, Shedeur Sanders, WILD jail stories

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd: Joe and Jada – Fat Joe & Jadakiss on Hip Hop's SNITCHING Era, Family Loyalty, Shedeur Sanders, and Jail Stories

Date: August 19, 2025
Guests: Fat Joe, Jadakiss
Main Theme: Hip hop’s changing codes—snitching, loyalty, the industry’s transformation, reflections on family and street culture, rising stars like Shedeur Sanders, and raw jail stories.

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Overview

This lively episode of "The Herd," hosted by Colin Cowherd and featuring rap icons Fat Joe and Jadakiss, dives deep into hip hop's shifting culture. The discussion orbits around the erosion of the “no-snitching” code, family values amid fame, generational changes in the genre, and personal anecdotes about street and jail life. Interwoven throughout, listeners hear candid thoughts on sports (notably Shedeur Sanders), memorable moments from inside the rap game, and the realities of success and betrayal. The episode masterfully balances humor, tough truths, and unfiltered wisdom from two of hip hop’s most authentic voices.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Lost Code in Hip Hop: From No-Snitching to Normalizing Rats

Starts ~[02:10]

• No code anymore: Both Fat Joe and Jadakiss mourn what they see as the fading “no-snitching” honor in hip hop culture.

  • Fat Joe: “There is no code no more. There just isn’t no code no more.” [02:10]

• Comparison to movies:

  • Fat Joe: “Too many Fredos, not enough Michaels.” [02:17]

• Rats everywhere: Jadakiss likens modern snitches to New York rats: “You can't escape them. They all around. They're like New York City rats. Humans. It's rats everywhere and every. Everywhere is every.” [14:53]

• Major shift event? Fat Joe identifies Tekashi 6ix9ine’s trial and subsequent return as the moment the taboo truly broke:

  • “The day six nine sat on that stand...2 million to see a rat. Even I was under a dummy account, looking at what he gonna say...It told the youth. Oh, it's over. You could rap. Whatever the case may be, come home. You still a shit. You lit.” [19:50]

• Rappers and new fans’ attitudes:

  • Fat Joe criticizes those who continue to support and listen to artists who testify or cooperate with law enforcement: “So my thing is this guy running around buying Birkins for girls. And this he made people think it was cool to rap [snitch].” [20:42]

• On Gunna and celebrated ‘rats’:

  • Joe admits a guilty pleasure in enjoying Gunna’s music despite his alleged cooperation:
  • “This album was so good. I was so guilty of this. I listened to this album. I say shit.” [25:26]
    But he quickly walks it back, torn over changing standards.

2. The Complexities of Family and Loyalty

Starts ~[04:42]

• Fat Joe and Jadakiss emphasize loving, supporting, but not being taken advantage of by family, especially after “making it:”

  • “We help every one of my family members, whether it was directly or indirectly...but we love our family, and we don't feel better than nobody, and we help everybody if we can. We just don't let them take advantage of us.” [08:35]

• Joe shares personal heartbreak at family trying to exploit his name through GoFundMe threats:

  • “That broke my heart when a family member told me, y' all go on GoFundMe and make a movie saying, this is real shit.” [11:27]

• On public family disputes (referring to rapper Finesse2Tymes and his mother):

  • “I would advise you to contact your moms to try to fix that...The last resort is to have your moms on social media. That's not it.” [12:12]

• Blessing and stigma of two-parent households in hip hop:

  • Jada: "It's a blessing to have both of your parents if you can have both of your parents." [07:41]

3. Racism, Justice, and Shifting Cultural Moments

Starts ~[13:17]

• Both express cynicism toward policing, referencing George Floyd and Breonna Taylor as turning points in public consciousness.

  • Fat Joe: “With me, you know, all love and everything, but it's always, fuck the police.” [13:45]

• The conversation links this broader societal change to hip hop’s own shifting values.

4. Separating Art from the Artist: Can You Enjoy "Rat" Music?

Starts ~[24:42]

• Fat Joe confesses to feeling guilty over enjoying music from artists perceived as “rats.”

  • “I listened to this album. This album was so good. I was so guilty of this...Is this what we doing now?” [25:26-26:00]

• Jadakiss calls out the contradiction: “But you feel bad listening to it.” [26:51]

• Joe offers a poignant personal story about severing ties with a lifelong friend who cooperated with the Feds, reinforcing why he can’t support artists who cross that line.

  • “I never went to see this guy one time in my life after he ratted because he violated the code. And this is a guy...I loved him. Like a best friend, I loved him. But because of the code, I can't fuck with him.” [28:56]

5. Sports Break: Shedeur Sanders’ Breakout Moment

Starts ~[29:24]

• The hosts praise Shedeur Sanders’ NFL potential, with playful banter and statistical breakdowns.

  • Jada: “He looked like the truth. Sacked twice, two or three touchdowns. Worked the offense like a professional...” [29:31]

• Fat Joe calls out possible racism in draft positioning and underappreciation:

  • “How do you pass him 100 something times? That's disrespect.” [31:08]
  • “He's better than Dak Prescott. I know it's only one game, but there's so many teams that could have used this guy...” [31:22]

• Analogy to timing in hip hop and sports:

  • Fat Joe: “His timing was so precise. And that's what you need in a Tom Brady and a Pat Mahomes and somebody who got they chill.” [32:17]

6. The Anatomy of a Hit: Timing, Tricks, and Rapping

Starts ~[33:42]

• Inside knowledge on creating hits:

  • Jadakiss: “It's called a trick in the song...hit songs have them in there.” [34:39]

• They explain how “tricks” and perfectly timed bars separate the icons from the rest:

  • Jada gives examples from his catalog and broader rap history.

7. Comic Relief: Turkey Chop Sagas and Yellow Watermelon Quests

Starts ~[35:09]

• An extended, hilarious tangent about their ongoing search for “turkey chops” turns into a light-hearted culinary quest.

• Fat Joe: “Everybody who told me, yo, I got turkey chop. None of them was able to buy me a turkey chop.” [36:47]

• They joke about rare produce finds and reminisce about classic Harlem characters.

8. Inside the Belly: Unfiltered Jail Stories

Starts ~[39:03]

• Fat Joe narrates his experiences from four months in federal prison—a vivid, sometimes absurd look at jail culture, food scarcity, power dynamics, and the hustle for better amenities.

  • On the primal pecking order:
    “There's four tables with four chairs. That's 16 seats, and it's 2,000 guys… I got a table, right?...I said, yo, who sits in them tables? Homeboy looked at me shook because a lot of guys are pussy. They're not really real.” [41:39-42:41]

  • On humiliation and flexing with real eggs: “They had never seen a real egg in the jail I was in. I go in my cell, I come out, microwaves right there ... 40, 50 eggs. Just... letting them know, like, yo, bro, I got shit you ain't even see in this fucking jail.” [52:48-53:16]

  • Surreal sneaker story:
    “In the Feds, you either wearing a gray sweatsuit or a beige. I don't give a fuck who you are. They are not. No one has Jordans ... Biggest mistake of my life.” [55:30] — Leading to his cell being raided and officials telling him he’s the jail’s most-discussed name.

  • Final wisdom: “...I don't advise nobody to go there. To me, it's like communism. It's a third world country. If your family don't send you no money, then you have no resort but to do crazy things, man.” [58:45]

9. Tour Announcements and Black Entrepreneurship

Starts ~[60:21]

• The duo plug an upcoming tour featuring Mobb Deep, Raekwon the Chef, and The Lox.

  • “That would be crazy. The Locks, Mobb Deep, Ray Corn, the Chef. That would be like, I love what y' all doing with the cash money.” [60:54]

• Brief but important takes on entrepreneurship:

  • Fat Joe on working for oneself: “I've been an entrepreneur since I'm 12 years old. I don't want to work for nobody. I just don't.” [61:41]
  • Jada: “It's hard.” [62:18]
  • Joe, on refusing outside investors: “Do the rewind attend. You know how many guys we know with serious money sat down with me... I'm the boss. Why would I want. You know what I'm saying?” [62:20]

10. Presidential Sneakers and Hip Hop’s Cultural Reach

Starts ~[64:02]

• Fat Joe displays a photo of Bill Clinton wearing his signature TS Air Force 1s:

  • Fat Joe: “This ain't Photoshopped, my brother. Ain't no cap in this. You see that? I got that presidential Bill Clinton rocking these sneakers.” [64:11]

• They share a salacious anecdote about Clinton’s famed love life and respect from unexpected places.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |-----------|------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:10 | Fat Joe | “There is no code no more. There just isn’t no code no more.” | | 14:53 | Jadakiss | “You can't escape them. They all around. They're like New York City rats. Humans. It's rats everywhere.” | | 19:50 | Fat Joe | “Even I was under a dummy Pepe Le Pew account, looking at what he gonna say...It told the youth. Oh, it's over.”| | 25:26 | Fat Joe | “This album was so good...I was so guilty of this. I listened to this album. I say shit.” | | 28:56 | Fat Joe | “I never went to see this guy one time in my life after he ratted...But because of the code, I can't fuck with him.”| | 31:08 | Fat Joe | “How do you pass him 100 something times? That's disrespect.” | | 32:17 | Fat Joe | “His timing was so precise. And that's what you need in a Tom Brady and a Pat Mahomes and somebody who got they chill.”| | 34:39 | Jadakiss | “It's called a trick in the song...hit songs have them in there.” | | 41:39 | Fat Joe | “There's four tables with four chairs. That's 16 seats, and it's 2,000 guys… I got a table, right?” | | 52:48 | Fat Joe | “They had never seen a real egg in the jail I was in...letting them know, like, yo, bro, I got shit you ain't even see in this fucking jail.”| | 55:30 | Fat Joe | “Biggest mistake of my life...the whole visit is looking at my feet like I walk in the fucking tier.” | | 58:45 | Fat Joe | “...I don't advise nobody to go there. To me, it's like communism. It's a third world country.” | | 61:41 | Fat Joe | “I've been an entrepreneur since I'm 12 years old. I don't want to work for nobody.” | | 64:11 | Fat Joe | “This ain't Photoshopped, my brother...You see that? I got that presidential Bill Clinton rocking these sneakers.”| | 65:14 | Fat Joe | [On Clinton’s reputation] “Bill Clinton pulls me in the room and was like, yo, where the hoes at, bro?” |

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Conclusion

Joe and Jada deliver an electric, unfiltered, and insightful hour delving into hip hop’s shifting morals, old and new codes, and the real meaning of loyalty. Their mix of stories—comic, cautionary, and celebratory—gives fans a raw look into the culture, personal highs and lows, and the sometimes uncomfortable navigation between street and superstar. In a world where “the code” is in question and personal success comes with unique burdens, Fat Joe and Jadakiss prove why their voices still matter—with wisdom, wit, and a relentless honesty.

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Transcript

[Fat Joe]

Jake.

[Jake Hofer]

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[Fat Joe]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Fat Joe]

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[Sarah Spain]

Get fired up, y'.

[Fat Joe]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people, an incomparable soccer icon Megan Rapinoe, to the show and we had a blast. Take a listen. Sue and I were like riding the lime bikes the other day and we're like, wee like this, people ride bikes because it's fun. We got more incredible guests like Megan in store, plus news of the day and more. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.

[Good Moms Bad Choices Host]

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[Fat Joe]

And there is no code no more. There just isn't no code no more.

[Jada]

It's rats. Heavy with it.

[Fat Joe]

Too many Fredos, not enough Michaels.

[Jada]

That's a fact.

[Fat Joe]

Foreign. What's up, y'? All? This is Joe. Crack the dawn.

[Jada]

It's your boy, Jada. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada Show.

[Fat Joe]

Welcome to our World where we get paid to be the flyest dudes in the game and fucking talk shit. This is amazing. This world, right? 20, 25 is something special. We get to come up here, throw that shit on and talk shit. It's so crazy, right? Cause, yo, Jada, now I'm locked in, right? You locked in, too. You don't realize you locked in. You coming through like, all right, but you really locked in on this podcast shit. And I analyzed this podcast well. And most of them, if we go according to the list that they put out, most of them lead off controversy. Everything they do is controversy. Sit up in there, talk about girls, talk about dude like, this all a shit. If you look at that whole list, all these guys are just amplifying the hate. They actually have some podcasters. They made people kill each other on a podcast. Like, yo, this guy said, fuck your mother. Are you going to kill him, yo? Or this, this, this. They went and each other and they want reparations. They're like, yo, what's my man? Who was it, G Herbo or something? He said, yo, y' all gotta donate something back to the hood. Cause y'. All. The point is, they lead with controversy, we lead with love. We here with the spirit of hip hop. We here to preserve the culture. And we walk with God. We walk with God. I'm looking, you know what I'm saying? On ig. I see this guy randomly, and he's talking about his wife. He even talked about his wife almost like, more than God. Like, he was like, my wife is everything. I cut off my best friend. I this and this and that. I dis for my wife, anything. This, my wife is number one. I don't care. This, this, this. What do you feel about that example?

[Jada]

He's in the space where his wife is larger than life form. Congrats to him. You know what I mean? He never been. He never caught his left hook or he never been. He didn't experience the real world yet. He be all right.

[Fat Joe]

You know, one thing I never liked is guys who, hey, we all love our wives, right? And our family. But I never respected men who get a wife and get so in love with them that they forget their mother, lose. They forget their mother and their family. They act like, this, my family. This is no longer my family. Like, I only have to care about my wife and my children and not my mom's or my pops or, you know, I never like that.

[Jada]

Yeah, that's kind of cowardly. It should never be no reason for you to cut off Your moms or your. Your parents?

[Fat Joe]

You know what's crazy? I'm. I'm gonna ask you something. You don't have to have a comment. I don't have to have a comment. But no, I'm just keeping it a buck, right? Cause I don't really know enough of the brother to really elaborate. But I could tell you from our perspective, being in the hip, hip hop game for so long, but I see the guy finesse two times.

[Jada]

Oh, shit. I seen his mom's on there. I don't. I don't.

[Fat Joe]

Let me talk and then make chime in.

[Jada]

I ain't chiming in. I'm just listening. Go ahead. Cause I seen this.

[Fat Joe]

So most of us in hip hop grew up poor, struggling to this day. I got family members that live in the process.

[Jada]

But I gotta cut you off before that. Cause there's some, like, assholes in the comments that think I grew up like the Huxtables. I'm saying, I don't know what the fuck is wrong with these people, but. And coming from where we come from, it's a beautiful thing to have both of your parents. Yeah, I know in rap, they see all these people. Yeah, we had both of our parents. Do that mean we wasn't in the street? No. Do that mean our household? We had gold spoons. No, my mom, did she bust her ass. My pop was on drugs. He was able to shake back. I was outside doing shit. I was smart in school. I was athletic. That I was outside. Just ask the people. Just ask the cops. Just ask any fucking body you want to ask some reason these people got. You can't be, you know, you can't be standing up to your word. If you have both of your parents. Are you some type of asshole? It's a blessing to have both of your parents if you can have both of your parents.

[Fat Joe]

Illiteracy.

[Jada]

Illusion. It's like, yo, he's got illusion. New records.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, listen. If you a bum, don't comment on made niggas, all right?

[Jada]

Tell them crack.

[Fat Joe]

If you a bum, don't comment on made niggas, man. Just, just, just. And what's wrong with. Elevate. What's wrong with.

[Jada]

He came from somewhere to get the fuck out of there.

[Fat Joe]

Super superior. That's how I'm looking at that thing. I don't understand. When people are stuck and time. These people are stuck in time and they. And they look at it as their shortcomings. They look at you like you gotta be on the. Yo, listen, check this out. Well, I'm telling you, I still got family members in the projects.

[Jada]

Yeah, we. I got a large percentage of my family.

[Fat Joe]

You can't take care of everybody. Remy, she got family in the projects. One day, I ran over there to Queens, almost beat her up. Like, I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Like, you got to go. Like, they calling me like, yo, Ram out here like it's a picnic. I said, no, no, no, no. You can't do this. Like, you get. But we love our family, and we don't feel better than nobody, and we help everybody if we can. We just don't let them take advantage of us.

[Jada]

Say it again.

[Fat Joe]

We help every one of my family members, whether it was directly or indirectly my Uncle Willie, you know, you beat me for three Frank for the trucks. Pause. The Glizzy Mania.

[Jada]

That almost. That's what.

[Fat Joe]

So he beat me for three.

[Jada]

Three glizzy. Two more. My n. Three Glizzy Frank for trucks is crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, he was telling me he's going to have a frank for the truck outside the hospital. I give him the money. Never seen the truck. Year later, yo, Joe, I'm trying to get a frank for the truck. I play it off like, I ain't give him the money. I gave him the money again, never got the truck. The third time, I give him the money. But he beat me out of three Frank for the trucks, right?

[Jada]

He let him keep catching them with Mitch. He wasn't there.

[Fat Joe]

My point is, everybody in my family has found a way. Not because they know I'm not the one, but they leaned on maybe some funerals, maybe some dance, somebody catch cancer, they they sick. And I come through with a silent check. I keep moving. I've done that. Awful. My family and my moms and pops, I paid their bills for 20 years, bought them a house, bought them everything. Just took care of them forever, right? Till they died, right? With that saying, right? I look at this video of two time finesse's mother, right? And I don't know you, Finesse.

[Jada]

Two times he switched. He called the two times finesse.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know you, brother. I don't know your background. I don't really know the story. What I do know is, is that I have crazy family. I have scandalous family. I have some family that have taken advantage of me or has tried to take advantage of me. Where I say, yo, this ain't flying. The advice I have is, I don't know what your mom's did for you to fall back from her. If she's not lying Right. But the moms, you NASA threat, right? So your family. I don't know if it's happened to you, it's happened to me. I've had somebody in my family say, yo, help me in this and this. And if you don't help me, this is how scandalous Month. No, no, I'm going. Go fund me, Fat Joe. Such and such on, go fund me. That broke my heart when a family member told me, y' all go on go fund me and make a movie saying, this is real shit.

[Jada]

Go ahead. I'm telling them, go ahead on go get. Go fund yourself.

[Fat Joe]

You just bought your mother and father a condo, right? I'm sure you have differences in some way or another. The man's moms look just like him.

[Janae aka Cheekies]

And.

[Fat Joe]

If I'm judging her comments, it didn't sound ratchet, scandalous or nothing to me.

[Jada]

She sounds very sincere. She sounded like she was talking from the heart.

[Fat Joe]

She wasn't on no bullshit. So when I see it, I'm like, listen, my brother, if you think Fat Joe is something to you or anything, a hip hop, you know, I would advise you to contact your moms to try to fix that. I just felt like. I'm not lying to you, Jada. We don't do scandalous. We don't call. But God told me to say that today. When I seen that this morning, I was like, yo, if I could just throw it in the air. The last resort is to have your moms on social media. That's not it. You get one. I don't know what she did. I don't know what anybody did. I know they got family. Just said, I got a scandalous family, bro. And so I know sometimes it could overwhelm you, but if you can find it in the heart, if you can seek the Lord, work it out with your moms. I mean, you know, George Floyd was the final straw with police getting away with killing motherfuckers. That was it, right? What was the event?

[Jada]

I told you that.

[Fat Joe]

Well, I mean, guys finally went to jail. The first cops ever went to jail. Down south up there, homeboy still in jail. David Chiffon. They finally went to jail. They was telling dudes on camera, not.

[Jada]

Going to jail where they shot somebody. I'm not. Is it Brianna's? Is it the lady?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

They got one day. The cops got one day for one of these shits.

[Fat Joe]

They did and they. They killed.

[Jada]

Kind of slap in the faces that.

[Fat Joe]

They get one day in jail. I agree, you know, with me, you know, all love and everything, but it's always, fuck the police. You talking to the wrong kid. You know, you just always fuck the police. But my thing is, what was the.

[Jada]

Event of our show, Jay.

[Fat Joe]

All right, yo, peace, police. Listen.

[Jada]

And then he tried to fix it.

[Fat Joe]

Hey, y', all, what's the event, yo, what's the event in hip hop that broke the camel's back pause to make it to where you could snitch? And if you make good music or something, you could still live out here in hip hop. Like what was the. What was the destroyer that broke the camel's back in hip hop where we had a code and there is no code no more. There just isn't no code no more. And what do you think is the event that. You know, I remember growing up, even if you was fronting, you wasn't a real gangster, but you was spitting gangster rap shit. You wasn't with the Rats like that right? Now this. Too many of them sold out concerts.

[Jada]

I think you can't escape them. They all around. They're like New York City rats. Humans. It's rats everywhere and every. Everywhere is every.

[Fat Joe]

You know, too many Fredos, not enough Michaels.

[Jada]

That's a fact.

[Fat Joe]

You know, some of these guys gotta take a boat ride, never come back. And so what happens is.

[Jada]

Snickers getting on this gangster. Yeah, after police boat ride, one way. Boat rides, keep it going.

[Fat Joe]

Ain't no sponsorship, right?

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Who you think we getting sponsored by the pal League or some? We selling liquor, coffee.

[Jada]

We getting sponsored from gangs.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yo, you folks. No, no, I'm just saying we gotta talk about it because it's not a code no more. And I say the guy who the whole up, you gonna say? Yeah. Oh, I' ma say Sammy the Bull, the whole up. I remember when I was a kid.

[Jada]

Nah, listen. There's no such thing as a credible rat. But Sammy the Bull to shoot the out of.

[Fat Joe]

He told every. He told On6.

[Jada]

Set them up, though. They altered the tapes. Yeah, you know that.

[Fat Joe]

No, he took the stand. Sammy the Bull. Sammy the Bull's a superior rat.

[Jada]

He baller too, though.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that don't mean shit. Yeah, you can't rat and kill and be justified.

[Jada]

No, no, no, no, no, you can't.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, he killed, but he rap.

[Jada]

Listen, he was justified enough to tell him, let me out of the witness protection. I'm good. I don't need it.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but you gotta understand this. Sammy the Bull ratted on his friends. I'll never forget the one story there's.

[Jada]

No, we ain't giving him a pass. I'm just saying he was a killer.

[Fat Joe]

We know he's a killer. Alpo was a killer. He's a rat.

[Jada]

He also told him, let me out of witness protection too, Zarat.

[Fat Joe]

And then he came out of witness protection enough till we get kill in Harlem.

[Jada]

No, but he was moving around and dudes was smiling and they wasn't saying nothing to him. You know that.

[Fat Joe]

I know that for a fact.

[Jada]

That's what I'm saying.

[Fat Joe]

That's why there's no well, that's we. That's too far what I'm saying. Sammy the Bull.

[Jada]

Sammy the Bull lasted on the yard for 15 years.

[Fat Joe]

Sammy the Bull is the most famous on the earth. Sammy the Bull. Then you came Alpo guy everybody looked up to. Charismatic Harlem fly, Louis Vuitton shit. This that told. He did that right.

[Jada]

Shout out to Wayne Perry and Wayne.

[Fat Joe]

Perry Jr. Then in hip hop, the day six nine sat on that stand. No, you remember if you watching the story, they taking him to court and bulletproof vest. They acted like he was telling on El Chapo. He put a lot of good people in jail, man. Facts another.

[Jada]

No, no, no. We got to put them away to his timing. Yeah, my feeling is gonna get close. You feeling this feeling this time has come. I feel this time is going to be soon, though.

[Fat Joe]

You don't need a lot of no, look, I'm not trying to. This, bro. This is something that. Is something that I'm thinking. Last night I'm sitting on the couch trying to come up with what today's show would be about. And it dwells on me that guys, we lost the cold in hip hop. Now is it played out. I watch other podcasts like, yo, that don't matter no more. This, this, that. Does it not matter no more? And I believe six nine when he. He told. He gave guys 20 years in jail. All the guys he was. Oh, but he fucked my wife. Oh, but he did. That means nothing. There's a man that works in a bodega that never been a criminal in his life. See some shit and he won't tell. It's in your character whether you're going to tell or you're not going to tell. So Six Nine was telling. He was hanging out with these cops before they even went. Like, he's. He was telling the drivers telling on him. Everybody's telling on each other, right? So he's sitting there. You know, that's the biggest excuse. That's what Nicky Barnes back in the Day he was on the COVID of Times. He told because his man was with his wife. He was saying it was. He was with my wife. But then again, he told on 100 Guys. What I'm saying to you is six, nine. Really? Guys, youth, whoever's watching, it's not until dog. No, no, no. He put guys in jail for 20 years. Nice guys who co signed him.

[Jada]

Now I want to hear how this is.

[Fat Joe]

He comes out of jail. This is how he comes out of jail and he goes on his life. I'm not even going to lie. I watched it from a dummy account, too. He had 2 million. You remember that, nephew, you remember that? He had 2 million people watching on live. You remember that, right? True or false? 2 million to see a rat. Even I was under a dummy Pepe Le Pew account, looking at what he gonna say when he did that. It told the youth. Oh, it's over. You could rap. Whatever the case may be, come home. You still a shit. You lit 2 million. This he in Europe and all that touring. He still. I don't know what his finances is. I hope he's broke, but the man now I'm keep. No, that ain't even a flag. This guy's a rat.

[Jada]

No, that ain't a flag.

[Fat Joe]

So my thing is this guy running around buying Birkins for girls. And this he made people think it was cool to rap.

[Sarah Spain]

Get fired up, y'.

[Jada]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe to the show, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, Co hosting a podcast with her fiance, Sue, Bird watching former teammates retire, and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final. And the locker room. I really, really like you. Just, you can't replicate. You can't get back showing up to locker room every morning just to talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar Az Foot. I mean, seriously, y', all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Janae aka Cheekies]

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of.

[Fat Joe]

I heart women's sports.

[Janae aka Cheekies]

Hi, everyone. It's Janae AKA Cheekies from Cheekies and Chill Podcast. And I'm launching an all new mini podcast series called Sincerely Janae. Sure, I'm a singer, author, businesswoman, and podcaster, but at the end of the day, I am human. And that's why I'm sharing my ups and downs with you guys. Hi, guys. I was sitting here recording episodes of Dear Cheekies and Cheeky's and Chill, and I just had to take a timeout and purge my thoughts and feelings here on Sincerely Janae because I've been so emotional lately, you guys. Whether I'm in my feels, I've just had a breakthrough with my therapist or I've just had a really deep conversation with my siblings, or I'm in glam getting ready for an award show, I'm sharing my most intimate thoughts with you on the podcast. You guys know I always keep it real with you guys, but this time I'm taking it to the next level. Listen to Cheekies and chill on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Fat Joe]

We all know, right? Genius is evenly distributed. Opportunity is not.

[Will Lucas]

It's Black Business Month, and Black Tech green money is tapping in. I'm Will Lucas, spotlighting black founders, investors and innovators building the future one idea at a time. Let's talk legacy tech and generational wealth.

[Vocal CEO]

I don't think any person of any gender, race, ethnicity should alter who they are, especially on an intellectual level or a talent level, to make someone else feel comfortable, just because they are the majority in this situation and they need employment. So for me, I'm always going to be honest in saying that we need to be unapologetically ourselves. If that makes me a vocal CEO and people consider that rocking the boat, so be it.

[Will Lucas]

To hear this and more on the power of black innovation and ownership, listen to Black Tech Green Money from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Emily Tish Sussman]

Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman. And on she pivots. I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers.

[Fat Joe]

I'm Gretchen Whitmer.

[Emily Tish Sussman]

Jody Sweetie.

[Fat Joe]

Annika Patton.

[Emily Tish Sussman]

Elaine Welteroth. I'm Jessica Voss.

[Fat Joe]

And that's when I was like, I gotta go.

[Sarah Spain]

I don't know how, but that kicked.

[Janae aka Cheekies]

Off the pivot of.

[Fat Joe]

Of how to make the transition, learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is gonna be full of them.

[Emily Tish Sussman]

Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on she pivots now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Fat Joe]

Now we kar but that's all now. You almost could throw the flag, but my thing is now you got some guys that are the hottest guys in the game. Rats. Like, I get a phone call from somebody, he says, yo man, you gotta check this album out. Ever since days. Listen, ever since I assumed you a rat, your people ain't fucking with you no more, you know, I'm not. Listen, I'm off you no matter what you do. And I get on the plane and they fuck me. I listened to this album. This album was so good. I was so guilty of this. I listened to this album. I say shit.

[Jada]

He knew he talking about gunna.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not saying throw the flag. Throw the flag. Now you got a flag. You have a flag. Cuz. We said we wasn't mentioning names like that.

[Jada]

Just said all of that.

[Fat Joe]

All I said was fire. It's a million raps shout that.

[Jada]

You like his album?

[Fat Joe]

Nah. You liked it.

[Jada]

You just said you enjoyed it and then said, nah.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm not saying that. What I am saying, just said it. So where is we don't care no more in hip hop you could rap. No, I'm asking.

[Jada]

You can't rat.

[Fat Joe]

But what if you do? You got the number one album. You got 2 million people on your live. You're this and that. What the fuck is going on on the earth? And Gunnar ain't right. He just said the gun in the car wasn't his. And there's only one other person in the car with him. What you get that on the way home? This is crazy. Michael tells him, you broke my heart. You broke my heart. Let me try to lighten this up a little, you know?

[Jada]

Please do. Cause you over here going too gangster.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something.

[Jada]

You said you like the album that fought you. It's a good album. Good album.

[Fat Joe]

The album. The album is good.

[Jada]

But you feel bad listening to it.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I'm a different. You know, once I'm. I had a friend, one of my best friends, one of the funniest guys in the world. Like you would laugh all day. He would make you laugh all day. One of my best friends. And he kept Hustling. And I'm Fat Joe the rapper. And I say, yo, bro, let me buy you a butt. Like I said, I don't let people take advantage of me. But I begged him, let me buy you a bodega. Let me get you a fucking laundromat. Let me buy you something so you could get. He did. The rich border the street, snubbed me. I'm dissident. He's talking all this shit. He gets snatched up by the feds, right? Like, damn. One night, I'm in Washington Heights. We have a dinner after the club. You know how you go to the spot after the club and eat? And Dominican dude jumps up and goes, yo, yo, your friend. Your friend telling the Dominicans, your friend in the middle of a restaurant in Washington nights. And I'm sitting there and I look at him. I knew exactly what he was talking about. I look, he told me the name. I said. I said, papi, I don't sell drugs. You never seen me around. This don't do this ever again to me. You talking to the wrong guy. I don't sell drugs. I rap. This is that. And I'll punch you in your face next time you do some shit like this. Straight up, right? Calmed him down. His crew grabbed him. But he had a point. Valid point. You hanging out with niggas, talking about you ain't with the rats. This that. The nigga Rat, he comes home from jail and they sending me messages like, yo, this nigga ain't even got a jacket. This cold. Is this that. I never went to see this guy one time in my life after he ratted because he violated the cold. And this is a guy, I can still tell you to this day, I loved him. Like a best friend, I loved him. But because of the cold, I can't fuck with him, right? And so I've been through this in my life. And so to see it so acceptable, how everybody's acting like, yo, it's okay. It's no problem. It's good music. It's. Let's separate the art form from what it is. That's it. We move it on.

[Jada]

So be it. So be it.

[Fat Joe]

So be it. Shadore Sanders.

[Jada]

Shador.

[Fat Joe]

My God, tell me about it. You saw the game?

[Jada]

Did I? Every play, every snap, what he looked like to you? Like the truth. The truth. Sacked twice, two or three touchdowns. Worked the offense like a professional. You know what I mean? He defined every. I think they put him in there for failure. And he blew everybody's shit because he was like Third or fourth on the depth chart. Then everybody got hurt and they told him he was starting the season opener. So it was like there's some bullshit.

[Fat Joe]

You mean the preseason.

[Jada]

No, the preseason opener. They just sprung that on him. He got right in there and held it like a champ.

[Fat Joe]

First of all, Jador. Shout out, nephew.

[Jada]

That's my nigga. Base. 138 yards, two touchdowns, 49 snaps sacked twice. What about that? You ain't say that. Look.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but he was moving.

[Jada]

You see that up there?

[Fat Joe]

He was moving.

[Jada]

Look, I just.

[Fat Joe]

What? The clip said Pat Mahomes on the Clips album. Pat Mahomes. Look up that quote right there. James. No, no, he's. He was. He's moving.

[Jada]

And change ain't moving that cool.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, he's that quick. Let me tell you, you're gonna get.

[Jada]

It by the end of the show.

[Fat Joe]

Shador Sanders, once again, this is a show for everybody. If you hip hop and you true to the. To the code, white, Asian, Latino, black, whatever, we fuck with you. But it was some racist shit. I. I haven't figured that out.

[Jada]

There he goes again.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, the man went, what? Num hundred. One hundred and something. What? Six round. What round this guy? Fifth round. He's the best guy. How do you pass him? 100 something times? That's disrespect. How many teams we could have used them in Dallas? Cause you know, I'm a fake Dallas fan after my Chiefs or whatever. Cause I gotta ride with him. He's better than Dak Prescott. I know it's only one game, but there's so many teams that could have used this guy that stuck to the code core. Jada don't gay the corporate nobody pick him up. Oh, body.

[Jada]

They did that just like that was a private entity. You know, it's private.

[Fat Joe]

Well, they all up. 143 teams up because the 144th got the number one selling jersey, got the number one prospect. And I seen it. His timing. Yo, his timing is impeccable, right? And that's what makes anybody good. So I see them coming to him. He waits till they almost catch him and throw it over him lightly. The guy runs, he runs this way, runs back, runs. This makes him fall on the stake. This. His timing was so precise. And that's what you need in a Tom Brady and a Pat Mahomes and somebody who got they chill. You know, you see them quarterbacks when you know you got a killer is when they down with 60 seconds and they sitting on the sideline, they look like okay. And they go in there and they gun that ball. He got that in him. Pause. He got that in him. And so I was so excited. We watched on the plane and we watched every play too. Now him taught me about timing. Like a great comedian. It's all about timing. A great rapper is all about timing, right? So I even thought back to Flo Joe, right? So I'm going, you gotta flow, Joe. You gotta flow Joe. You gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta let him know, Joe, I gave you a chance to breathe and sing it like it was a hit. It was perfect timing. I didn't know, but it really was perfect timing. You go to Daz Effects and they go Weeping Willow or they go what's the.

[Jada]

The.

[Fat Joe]

The. The 12 shoe. The dude that. But it do. That's all timing. When a guy get. I got a light skinned girl look like Michael Jackson got a dark skinned girl looking like. This is all timing and you rapping. And then they all. They knew. Great rappers know how somewhere in there to put a bar in there. Like what's wrong with a little Minaj? That's great timing. And so that's what makes. No, I'm telling you, you ain't right, you ain't wrong. It's timing. His whole timing. What are some songs like that that you. Some bars that stand out from you or any other artist. That's like. When you hear it, you like, yo, this guy know what's going on.

[Jada]

It's called a trick in the song Steve Stout put me up on it.

[Fat Joe]

It's called what? It's a trick.

[Jada]

It's songs that have a trick in them is. It's like. And I wish I never met him. Just to use. So he said the same thing? No, he just.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't know it was an actual.

[Jada]

That's what it's called. If you think you saying is a certain bar, but it is a bar. And there's also a trick in the song that makes the whole hit songs have them in there.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah yeah hits and that. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

[Jada]

I'm running out of my patience. That's one. Knock yourself out.

[Fat Joe]

There is no turkey job.

[Jada]

Yo, yo, yo, yo. It is turkey.

[Fat Joe]

As a matter of fact, that's why.

[Jada]

I bought top here. Order this guy some turkey chops, man. Send it to the crib.

[Fat Joe]

He talking about his chops. My. My massage up and shout out.

[Jada]

I told them Shady Brook got him, man. Shady Brooke. Yo. Shady Brooke. Where Sin fat pack of turkey chops.

[Fat Joe]

I went to stop and Shop. Twenty of them, they ain't got no turkey chop.

[Jada]

Went to the wrong ones.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody who told me, yo, it's turkey chops. I sent them to give me turkey chops. Nobody bought back, huh? Y' all need them bad. I've been looking.

[Jada]

Yeah, I need them bad.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I used to be with Von Zip, man, the living legend of Harlem. He used to take me down there to the village. They had a fancy.

[Jada]

Somebody get him a turkey chop, please.

[Fat Joe]

They had a fancy restaurant. Not restaurant, supermarket. Citadella or some. All right, who has it?

[Jada]

Yeah, man, order them shits right now, man.

[Fat Joe]

Your rich. Can you order this turkey shop? Well, you got to get it from the company, right? I mean, the supermarket.

[Jada]

That might have been a flat.

[Fat Joe]

So it's a donut. He got the first. Yeah, yo, he got it. I've been looking for.

[Jada]

Yo, somebody insta calling.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta get like 10 plaques.

[Jada]

Can we instacart him? Can we instacart them some turkey chops right now so we can.

[Fat Joe]

They can see them. Everybody who told me, yo, I got turkey chop. None of them was able to buy me a turkey chop.

[Jada]

They couldn't produce. They couldn't produce.

[Fat Joe]

It ain't in season right now. I guess because I couldn't see. I went to 20 hood stoppage shops. Nobody had turkey chops. No, no, I need turkey chops.

[Jada]

The same thing.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta feel like a pork chop, but it's a. You know, I'm the guy. I find yellow watermelon. Like I. I get the yellow watermelon.

[Jada]

We got yellow watermelons.

[Fat Joe]

I get the pink pineapples, like I'm good at finding. I can't find a turkey job. I'm keeping it real. I find the yellow watermen, the pink pineapple. Why I can't find a turkey chop?

[Jada]

You'll know what it look.

[Fat Joe]

I've been looking, I've been looking.

[Jada]

Turkey cutlet, man, it's the same thing.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out. My man Von Zip. Rest in peace, right? Von Zip was like the last. No snitch. American gangster from Harlem. That's it. And this man would be in Cullinans in Harlem and this and this and that. And I remember one time, just to show off with me, he picked me up, he said, yo, Joe, come with me. I'm buying a bench. So we go out to Jersey. He pays in cash for the bends with the small face. 20s just showing me he had like 1970s money. And he counted all this there. You could smell like it was in the wall just in front for me. He must have went in the wall, pulled out some old school money and bought the shit. With old school, you know, everybody be rapping like, you know, I got money for the. You know, I got money. I ain't spend since 92. This. He really took me to buy Benz, maybe 100 something thousand. And it was all in that old school where you smell a shit. Your father left you some money like that right now? He did though. Tom Pete left me somebody that remember, you smell old like it was back in the day. Shit, money always work. Let me tell you something, speaking of time, I never really brag about jail because I only did four months. I got friends that did 20, 30, 40 years. But last night I get.

[Jada]

I only did four days, huh? I only did four days, man.

[Fat Joe]

That's a lot looking out the window.

[Jada]

For four days at the bus stop.

[Fat Joe]

What I know you was at county, so you had black coffee bologna sandwich like that crack ass fellas bought a.

[Jada]

Cup of Kool Aid.

[Fat Joe]

Tell you something, I did two vitamins. I gotta explain this to you. I did time in the feds donuts and there's two. You know, I'm a thinking Mike.

[Jada]

Orange juice.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you, I'm just thinking, right? I grew up in the projects, right? And there's this grass in the middle of all the project builders. We got big project buildings. Every building is 14 floor, 145 apartments. I counted all the doors, right?

[Jada]

Everybody was 14 floors, 145 apartments, counting all the doors.

[Fat Joe]

Counted all the doors now. And everybody got nine kids. So this shit is like, you up one guy, you gotta fight the other brother. You gotta fight Jamie Jonathan Crayford. So you get up. So one of them found you out. You gotta go up the line. Then the diesel brother come out zone. Good luck. Yeah, at least you stood tall. You fought them. You got. You got your ass whipped. That's where I come from. Projects is like gladiator. The point I'm trying to make is there's a big grass in my projects. Everybody has shootouts there, they have fights. You know, one day I go up to the roof of my building and I look at the grass and I say to myself, was this like an experiment? Because like, if you go up on my roof and you see the gun battles and the fights and everything that happened in the middle of the grass, you sit up there, it's almost like the Coliseum. And so where I'm getting to is when you go to the feds, where I went, you got 2,000 dudes, Jamaicans Aryan Nations. Spanish dudes, black dudes, these white American dudes. And there's only four tables. I'm just trying to. There's four tables with four chairs. That's 16 seats, and it's 2,000 guys. And it's right in front of the three TVs. You got the Spanish TV. The blackest guy don't know English. You looking at the mommies in the Spanish TV like, that's like, no, no, that shit is like. You might as well call that shit soft porn, motherfucker. Looking at that, they don't got to know what they talking about. They up in there like this every day, right? So you got four tables. Of course I got a table, right?

[Jada]

Oh, I got a table.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. Walking in 10 minutes. 10 minutes. I said, yo, who sits in them tables? Homeboy looked at me shook because a lot of guys are pussy. They're not really real. Just because you in jail, you act tough. That's it. You get in jail. I watch people get smacked, punched in the face, and said, my bag. And keep walking. These guys. These are playing basketball, nephew. You don't got to go in there for me to tell you the guys you think is tough on your block. I watch guys get punched in their face and say, my bag. I'm sorry, and walk away. I never seen no shit like that. You got to fucking murder me. Like, you just can't do it, right? So I'm up in there. He does that. I go down to the table. Guy's sitting there. I'm like, yo, my man, get the fuck up. He don't want to get up. I say, yo, my man, you got to get the fuck up. He got up and he left. So I took the table. Ten minutes in there, right? Sit down. Half the jail hated me. A thousand hated me because they was like, oh, he's not going to kick freestyles. His in here on this, right?

[Jada]

What, did you ride.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody rhyming jail, Jada? Like, everybody want to ride for you? I ain't let one dude ride for me. So I'm sitting down in the chair. They looking. Some of them hate me, some of them don't. Whatever. Who gives a right? Only got four months anyway. So I'm willing to be in the box for the four months. The point is, soon as I figured it out, like, I just needed, like, a week in there, right? Because the. The first they. The feds don't give you commissary. I don't give a fuck if you Donald Trump. It takes you two weeks.

[Jada]

I Got him getting it.

[Fat Joe]

I walked in there. Listen, you got him getting.

[Jada]

I got him getting it.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, I got him getting. He breaks the rules, let me tell you. I walked in with $5,000 cash in my pocket to put in commissary. Still took two.

[Jada]

Two weeks.

[Fat Joe]

The point is, the first meal, I had to wait online. And they were very generous. Everybody. They kept throwing the, like, the plate. They kept throwing. They threw like six or eight of them on my table, right? When I tell you this shit tastes like dope, listen, even the guys that mind their business, there's some guys in jail, mind their business, don't bother nobody. They over there. They don't talk to nobody. You know, they good people. When I tell you, all of them looked over and wanted to see my first reaction when you had his fucking food. This was dog shit. This food, right? My dog was eating better than this. They all look and they was like, okay, he know what it is in here now, right? So I go like that. But very quick. I got me Italian chef. They had a chef down in the. In the thing. Chef Junior. He wasn't pussy, so don't think he was just Italian, but he was my chef. He make me homemade ice cream, mozzarella. They would steal the clams, and he would make me linguini and cl. So it's all type of shit. We was dumbing out.

[Sarah Spain]

Get fired up, y'.

[Jada]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe, to the show, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, Co hosting a podcast with her fiance, Sue Bird, watching former teammates retire, and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final, and the locker room. I really, really like you. Just. You can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to the locker room every morning just to talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and. And college superstar Az Fudd. I mean, seriously, y', all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And, you know, we're always gonna keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Fat Joe]

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Janae aka Cheekies]

Hi, everyone. It's Janae aka Cheekies from Cheekies and Chill Podcast. And I'm launching an all new mini podcast series called Sincerely Janae. Sure, I'm a singer, author, businesswoman, and podcaster, but at the end of the day, I am human. And that's why I'm sharing my ups and downs with you guys. Hi, guys. I was sitting here recording episodes of Dear Cheekies and Cheekies and Chill, and I just had to take a time out and purge my thoughts and feelings here on Sincerely Jana because I've been so emotional lately, you guys. Whether I'm in my feels, I've just had a breakthrough with my therapist or I've just had a really deep conversation with my siblings, or I'm in glam getting ready for an award show, I'm sharing my most intimate thoughts with you on the podcast. You guys know I always keep it real with you guys, but this time I'm taking it to the next level. Listen to Cheekies and chill on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Fat Joe]

We all know, right? Genius is evenly distributed, opportunity is not.

[Will Lucas]

It's Black Business Month, and black tech green money is tapping in. I'm Will Lucas, spotlighting black founders, investors and innovators building the future one idea at a time. Let's talk legacy tech and generational wealth.

[Vocal CEO]

I don't think any person of any gender, race, ethnicity should alter who they are, especially on an intellectual level or a talent level, to make someone else feel comfortable just because they are the majority in this situation and they need employment. So for me, I'm always going to be honest in saying that we need to be unapologetically ourselves. If that makes me a vocal CEO and people consider that rocking the boat, so be it.

[Will Lucas]

To hear this and more on the power of black innovation and ownership, listen to Black Tech Green money from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ken Jennings]

Hello, puzzlers. Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings appearance on the puzzler with A.J. jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land?

[Fat Joe]

Jeopardy.

[Ken Jennings]

Truthers who say that you were given all the answers believe in.

[Fat Joe]

I guess they would be conspiracy theorists.

[Ken Jennings]

That's right. Are there Jeopardy Truthers? Are there people who say that it it was rigged?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Ever since I was first on, people are like, they gave you the answers. Right. And then there's the other ones which are like, they gave you the answers and you still blew it.

[Ken Jennings]

Don't miss Jeopardy Legend Ken Jennings. On our special game show week of the puzzler podcast. The Puzzler is the best place to get your daily word puzzle fix. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Fat Joe]

I got the guy. I got pick up a guy I told you about Hong Kong's Mongolia. So in jail. In jail.

[Jada]

How you did the Hong Kong's Mongolian.

[Fat Joe]

Because he was the guy nobody wanted. And so in jail, if you white, you with the white guys, you black, you with the black guy, you with the Spanish. He was a white guy that the white guys ain't want. But I saw him. Yeah, but he was, man, he had that boot strength. So, like, he played basketball. Nobody want to deal because he hit you with an elbow a shit. He was strong. So I said, my man, come with us, man. You eat with us. You with us. I gave him a name, Hong Kong's Mongolian. And one day he comes up to me because the guys. Yeah, partially slow. Oh, I mean, but he's just. No, no, he's not slow. He's just slow.

[Jada]

He's a little bit.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't go past second grade. But this guy was, you know, he was.

[Jada]

Damn second graders.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, but you give him at least.

[Jada]

Give him at least sixth grade.

[Fat Joe]

No, this guy take out 10, give him six. Would take out 10, 20 guys like it was all out war. He's going to take out 10, 20. He's Hong Kong's mongo.

[Jada]

Yo, look at.

[Fat Joe]

He used to stand there like this. The white guys was looking like, oh, it gotta be something to this. Fat Joseph snatched up this guy and I'm calling him in the whole job. Yo, listen, ain't no different than this show. Hong Kong's Mongolian. He's walking through. What's up, boss? What's up? They looking like we made a mistake. We didn't recruit this.

[Jada]

He was like Shador. They let him go.

[Fat Joe]

They let him go. He went past all the drafts, and I seen the sparkle in him. I said, yo, this is Hong Kong's money. He come up to me one day. He said, boss, boss. I said, what's up? He said, I just realized Hong Kong and Mongolia is two different places. I said, my man, shut the up. Be happy I gave you a day. Get the out of here. Okay, okay, boss. Okay, boss. He goes on, but I got this story where I thought about it last night and I don't really brag about jail because These guys did 10,000 years in jail. But in the feds, less now than Ever. But they always said, you go to the feds and guys got money in there. So next to me in the table, don't ask me how they got. The table was four Latinos with a. They could be. I'm in Miami, so they could be like, Cuban, but I don't think they Cuban, but you could tell they got money. Like in the streets. If I pulled up in the Cullinan, they pulling up in the Cully, they pulling up. These guys got money. They're not bothering nobody. They got money. I don't really talk to them because they really ain't my type of guys. I'm sorry if y' all watching. They wasn't my style of guy, you know what I'm saying? And so one day, we sitting there, we watching tv, and the guy goes and orders a pizza pie. Now, at least jail I was in, a pizza pie is like caviar, right? Everybody ain't have a pizza pie. Any normal person, they have got a.

[Jada]

Real pizza pie or something.

[Fat Joe]

Still a big deal in jail. I watch throwing bananas down they shit or apple. Like, do the most derelict for anything in there. Like, I mean, grown men, yo, watching your back while you stealing a banana. That's how bad it is in jail, bro. This shit is really a third world country in America. It's bad in there, but anyway, pizza. They up to like 20 pizzas for no reason. They couldn't even eat it. Yo, another pizza. Every time a pizza came, they kept looking at me. My table was right next to them. It was like, I go in my cell, okay? In the feds, at least the jail I'm at, the eggs they give you in the morning is powdered eggs. They had never seen a real egg in the jail, a fucking egg. Think about when you go to store, buy a dozen. They had never seen a real egg in the jail I was in. I go in my cell, I come out, microwaves right there, the whole fucking shit. You see, crack an egg, bam, one. That was it. Yo. They had never seen an egg. Bam. One, bam, two, bam. I'm up to 40, 50 eggs. Just.

[Jada]

Yo, yo, bam.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo, bam, bam. Like I'm the whole child's watching the.

[Jada]

Arm sit through the jack.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo, yo, yo. I'm trying to. That's 48. How about I keep going? Oh, to like 6 to 7. 67. 8. 6 to 7, 6, 7. Like this. The. Look at me dizzy. They learned, the pizza dudes, bro, they'd never seen an egg. I bust open so many eggs. The scrambled eggs was so Big. And I just kept going like this, like, letting them know, like, yo, bro, I got shit you ain't even see in this fucking jail. Y' all trying to play with me with some pizzas. Y' all got me up. I get up to the six, seven. I give it a Chef Junior, let him go. You know what's crazy is we had. And this. This. This. No offense, with this slight racist. What I'm about to say right now. We had. No, no, no. I'm telling you. We had one Asian guy in the whole jail. One Asian. And I would bother him every day, like, yo, you make Chinese rice. You know how to cook? You know how to cook? You make. I'm a fat dude. Like, I preferred. Like, listen to me, man. I want the Chinese rice. The man telling me, yo, I don't cook. I keep bothering him, yo. He's. I don't cook. I don't cook. I'm like, yo, you got Chinese? You know? Huh? They know how to make it. He would. I gotta give him it. He wouldn't let me punk him into making Chinese rice. I kept bothering him, like, yo, you make Chinese? You got Chinese food? You got Chinese. You know how to. He was like, no, I don't know. All right. So one day is my man's birthday, and I give the dude the white towel like a Mr. Child. And I have him. I have him serve my man for his birthday, like his man. I said, Yo, Mr. Chow, baby. Mr. Child with the white. With the white towel over his head. I'm like, yo, Mr. Chow, man, in the feds, man, you got Mr. Child. I mean, yo, we was clowns, man.

[Jada]

This thing is crazy.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, yo, listen. Clowns, I said. So I go on a visit, and somebody slips me some Jordans. Now in the Feds, you either wearing a gray sweatsuit or a beige. I don't give a fuck who you are. They are not. No one has Jordans. I got it by default. Told me, yo, slip your shit off. I slipped it off in the Visit. Then I put him on his Jordans. Biggest mistake of my life. I go up at the elevator. The whole elevator's like, you know. Cause you in this building, they got these elevators. You could put a tractor trailer in there. So they got 300 guys on the building, and the whole visit is looking at my feet like I walk in the fucking tier. Puerto Rican dude, barber. I would love to see him use a barber with a little tail. From Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico. He was a real one. So he runs up and goes like, I tell you, it's real racial in there. He runs up and goes, may Bach. May Bach. He starts screaming. Is if I wanted to be on the low. It's no low. He's screaming, maybach, May bot. Basically, he's saying, yo, the Puerto Rico. The Latino guy, the Maybach, like the Cullinan on his feet. You ain't never see this. He telling everybody, yo, them Jordans is a Maybach in here, man. It's a Maybach. And he's screaming at everybody. Start looking at from all corners. So I get the spaghetti feet. Damn near. You know, my shit looking like Jerry Lewis. I'm walking too. I want they get. I know for sure I'm in trouble, right? For sure. I'm not scared of somebody stealing the sneaker. I'm in trouble, right? So I felt like homeboy, what's his name? Huggy Bear, with the fish tank pumps. Remember when he came out the jail, he had the fish in the shoes. Years later, and they was playing Public Enemy. His that, I'm gonna get you, sucker, bro. I felt like Huggy Bear walking out there in them shits. Sure enough, the next day, they rushed my cell. They got these people like Internal affairs or whatever they call sis. They rush the cell. Boom. I'm working out. They pull out the Jordans. I go on the thing. The assistant warden is there. Now this woman. Shout out to the woman. She's like, tough, real tough. So I said, hey, I was always nice to this lady. I don't know why I was always nice to her. Anytime I passed her, anytime I did something, I was like, hey, Morton, I had that report. So she says, none of these people are your friends, Joe. We got like 40 phone calls from the hotline talking about, you got the Jordans. So I'm like, you know, I know they're not my friends. She said, do you know who we got in here? I said, no. She said, such and such, the leader of the shower pots. Such and such, the leader of the guerrilla Falk army in Colombia. Such and such, the kingpin of all. Cause it's Miami's the hub.

[Jada]

Yeah, that's true.

[Fat Joe]

So if you doing work out there, Jamaica, Santo Domingo, Puerto Rico, the killers are all killers. They throw them over. It's Miami's the hub, right? And she said, and do you know every floor I go to, whose fucking name I hear the most? She said, fat Joe. See, yo, what you want me to do? Like, I've been humble. I don't get into arguments with nobody. She's like, jody, not your friend. They called up and she gave me a chance, thank God. But that was, that was, you know, they all called on me. All you guys, you know who you are. They all called on me about the Jordans. But, you know, jail is different. I don't advise nobody to go there. To me, it's like communism. It's a third world country. If your family don't send you no money, then you have no resort but to do crazy things, man. But I was just thinking about that today because I don't try to think about that, you know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

But sometimes it can't escape your mind.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, last night. I don't know. It's the simple things, man. I was just thinking about it because, you know, my whole life I've been chasing the stunt. My whole life I've been flexing. My whole life, since I'm a kid, I've been trying to make a movie and I just got. I started laughing when I thought about the eggs and the fucking, the, the, the, the pizza pie. Like I really stunted on him with the eggs. That shit was crazy, man. But hip hop, we got a tour coming. Havoc of Mobb Deep, Raekwon the Chef Locks. Locks is on that tour?

[Jada]

Uh huh.

[Fat Joe]

Are you. Yeah, supposed to be. You guys are killing the market, man. I gotta go to Yugoslavia to get a check. Yo, come on, you guys, I'm trying.

[Jada]

To get some of them bags you getting over there. South Dakota, North Dakota. I'm saying, Rich, don't be in Miami.

[Fat Joe]

We in Miami. So, you know, I mean, it is what it is. But that would be crazy. The Locks, Mobb Deep, Ray Corn, the Chef. That would be like, I love what y' all doing with the cash money.

[Jada]

Should be a nice show.

[Fat Joe]

You could be a very nice Dynasty Commodity. I mean, do you guys have samples? Because I don't get high. But if I got high. Did you have a sample?

[Jada]

You can have a pre roll for you to test it for you.

[Fat Joe]

So Dynasty Commodity does have samples. Okay, thank you very much. Shout out, Trigger Tone. Jamal, you got a sample from Dynasty Commodity. This is the number that he got. I gave you a sample?

[Jada]

Yeah, they gave me a nice.

[Fat Joe]

They gave me. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Rich.

[Jada]

They took care.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Rich, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I thought you didn't give out samples, man.

[Jada]

He gave me a nice package when.

[Fat Joe]

I went for the Styles P. Open up a joint.

[Jada]

Yeah, strange for life. 145th and Broadway.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, that's gonna be fun. Yeah, I mean, I might pull up today on that just to pull up. I don't get high, but I gotta go show support. Anytime one of us open a business, do anything like that, we got to pull up facts. That's like, you know, that's the American dream, being an entrepreneur. You know what I'm saying? I've been an entrepreneur since I'm 12 years old. I don't want to work for nobody. I just don't want to. You remember when Nori was up here? He was like, yeah, you know, I wanted y' all show. I was like, yo, Nori, I worship you. I don't just worship you. I love you to death. I'm not working for you. I just don't.

[Jada]

It's hard.

[Fat Joe]

I can't work for nobody. Every business I ever did, somebody done sat down with me, yo, I want to invest money. I'm like, I'm good. Do the rewind attend. You know how many guys we know with serious money sat down with me. I love it. It's disruptive. Can I give you 10 million of this? I'm like, nah, bro, I don't. I'm cool. I'm the boss. Why would I want. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, whenever one of us get a business, you know, I pulled up on Raekwon, got one New Jersey. I went out there.

[Jada]

Astoria. We gotta definitely get an award because we throwing that shit on up here.

[Fat Joe]

And then what you want us to do?

[Jada]

We're looking this. Nah, they overlooking this. They overlooking this.

[Fat Joe]

Man, These guys are dizzy. And the colder it gets because it's summer. We've been doing this summer. When it gets cold, we can come in here with electrical on.

[Jada]

How cold it isn't it?

[Fat Joe]

Yo, by the way, the AC snaps the back of the neck, guys. I'm not complaining. This place is incredible. For some reason, the AC is like.

[Jada]

Now you gotta be right under. Because when we have a guess and I gotta sit over there, I said.

[Fat Joe]

I know what crack, yo, I got like a. A professional cold. The shit don't leave. I have a cold for life. This is legendary.

[Jada]

You under there.

[Fat Joe]

Yesterday, for some reason, it was really working. Bam. Just on my neck. And Y. Harlem, you got something. Look at my man Harlem. Harlem made for me, man. He said he got a gift for me. I told, man, you might as well come on. Harlem everywhere, man. He's a great guy, man.

[Jada]

I know you. I know you looked at. Let me.

[Fat Joe]

You know this happened. There you go, my brother Bill Clinton wearing the TS Air Force.

[Jada]

That's fire.

[Fat Joe]

This ain't Photoshopped, my brother.

[Jada]

Nah, that's fine.

[Fat Joe]

Ain't no cap in this. You see that? I got that presidential Bill Clinton rocking these sneakers. I've been trying to put up a poster I got of this in my house. They won't allow me.

[Jada]

Hold it up.

[Fat Joe]

It's Bill Clinton, bro. Thank you, my brother. This shit is beautiful.

[Jada]

I don't see why he wouldn't wear your Air Force one. You like getting it.

[Fat Joe]

They throw the flag, yo, you got two. That's a flag. Throw the flag, man.

[Jada]

Yo, probably has some airs on when.

[Fat Joe]

He got right, man.

[Jada]

I mean, my man Bill probably is on in. In the whole office that day.

[Fat Joe]

I know somebody who's. I can't say, but who is. I'm talking about top five dead or alive singer. I can't even. In every genre. Just in case. The man goes to perform for Christmas at the White House and he says Bill Clinton pulled him in the room and was like, yo, where the hose at, bro? I thought you were the. It seems Bill ain't learned his lesson. Yo. Bill Clay tells him, I'll tell you who, after college you'll die. The man tells me, yo, I'll go to sing at the White House. Bill Clinton pulls me in the room like, yo, I thought you had all the. Man, where's the at this, this, that? He was like, yo, this is the. In the White House, the president unit. You know Bill, he liked the ladies, man. And with that, this is crack, this.

[Jada]

Is kiss, this ain't that, and that ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

It's crack and it's kiss, and boy, enjoy this evergreen, baby.

[Jada]

You heard one.

[Jake Hofer]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jake Hofer]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Sarah Spain]

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