Joe and Jada - Fat Joe & Jadakiss talk Clipse's Grammy noms, NO HIP HOP in Top 40, Michael Jackson movie & Max B

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Episode: Joe and Jada – Fat Joe & Jadakiss talk Clipse's Grammy noms, NO HIP HOP in Top 40, Michael Jackson movie & Max B
Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)
Guests: Fat Joe (“Joe Crack the Don”), Jadakiss (“Jada”), Eric & Jeff (It’s The Real)

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Overview of Episode Theme

This episode centers around a no-holds-barred conversation between hip hop legends Fat Joe and Jadakiss (Joe & Jada). They discuss the state of hip hop in popular culture and the music charts, the impact and politics of the Grammy Awards, a forthcoming Michael Jackson biopic, social and economic struggles impacting urban communities, and reintegration stories like that of Max B. The episode also features a cameo by Eric & Jeff (“It’s The Real”), adding their experience as podcasters and music commentators.

Tone:
The tone is raw, competitive, reflective, and always infused with street wisdom, humor, and an unfiltered hip hop perspective.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of Hip Hop in the Top 40

• Observation: For the first time in 35 years, no hip hop song appears in the top 40 of the Billboard charts ([06:42]).
• Jadakiss: “It's sad... We're losing control, losing the grip of the culture. You're supposed to stay on there forever... They use hip hop for everything. Every commercial, every marketing tool to sell everything.” ([06:47])
• Fat Joe: Even when hip hop isn’t charting, its influence permeates all music genres: “The other day, I just realized the number one producer of K pop is a dude from Compton. ... It's always our source that goes to every other genre...” ([07:17])
• On the charts vs. artistry: Joe argues Billboard chart success doesn’t define the health of the genre if the quality of recent hip hop LPs is high. “Just cause they ain’t charting on the top 40 Billboard doesn’t mean the art... people ain’t creating.” ([07:58])

2. The Clipse: Five Grammy Nominations—But Will They Win?

• Recognition: Shout out to Clipse for earning five Grammy nominations ([08:06]).
• Skepticism of Awards: Joe & Jada reminisce about their own Grammy snubs—Joe losing to Evanescence, Jada losing to DMX ([17:58-18:20]).
• Commentary on Grammy Politics:
  • Fat Joe: “You gotta go out there and shake hands and kiss people and fly to Memphis to the guitar school...this whole shit is bullshit.” ([25:45-26:20])
  • Jadakiss (prediction): “They should walk away with at least one or two.” ([26:39])

3. On Competing Podcasts & Industry Award Bias

• Joe's Frustration: Joe highlights how numbers don’t always correlate with recognition in podcasting (or music awards), suspecting backroom politics (“They not moving nothing. No coaching, no nothing. You know the fix is in.” [22:05])
• Notable Quote: “Just because they say they number one. That just means they got friends picking who's number one. They not really number one.” ([20:47])
• Analytical comparison: Joe details how their podcast numbers far exceed competitors for the same guests ([21:47-22:17]).

4. The Michael Jackson Biopic

• Discussion: Speculation about the upcoming biopic, including casting and expected truth-telling about MJ’s media persecution ([08:46–11:50]).
• Jadakiss: “Hopefully it’ll be a great film and we get to see some stuff we never knew about in depth.” ([14:29])
• Fat Joe: “I promise you, this movie's gonna...deal with...behind the scenes of like shit they was doing to him to make people look sideways at MJ.” ([13:25])

5. Social Media & Modern Love

• Joe's take: “Right now I feel like social media fucked up love...You take one wrong pick, the pressure will force your relationship to break up...” ([11:54])
• Comment: The pervasiveness of social scrutiny makes it hard for relationships to survive slip-ups.

6. Economic Hardship, Charity & Thanksgiving

• Outlook: Joe highlights how economic pressure is hitting even the traditionally supportive donors ([40:01-42:32]).
• Jadakiss: On charitable giving: “You gotta do it big. I want to shoot episode. When we give it out at the store.... right now, it's harder times than ever.” ([41:08])
• Recession: “This is an all-time low...a recession, a depression. This is you read about in the book.” ([41:41])

7. Max B’s Return from Prison

• Story: Max B was released after 18 years, immediately appearing courtside at a Jets game in Louis Vuitton, looking and acting unchanged from his pre-prison persona ([75:34–76:34]).
• Cultural Impact: Joe emphasizes Max B’s resilience and cultural influence: “I don't think he fell off. I think Big Avell gonna come with all them flows and all that. I'm really watching that.” ([76:34])
• Reflection: Joe discusses how authorities sometimes try to break inmates’ spirit, sharing Remy Ma’s parole struggles and his own issues with authority ([76:55–79:10]).

8. Sneakers, Camouflage, and Sports

• Sneaker Talk: Joe and Jada discuss their favorite sneaker drops, with references to “brick by brick,” jellyfish kicks, and fashion tips learned from Allen Iverson ([27:12–29:06]).
• Sports Chat: Stories from Rucker Park and NBA commentary, including a humorous account of a player’s ankles getting literally “broken” ([35:33–37:42]).

9. NYC Living, Gentrification, & Politics

• Mandani Topic: The group discusses the challenges young creatives face with rising costs in NYC, expressing support for political change to keep the city affordable ([65:21–67:18]).
• Fat Joe on inequality: “It feels like there's the rich get richer. There's no middle class, and they just real poor people. It's really crazy.” ([67:18])

10. It’s The Real: Reflecting on Their Podcast Journey

• Eric & Jeff: Share their experience interviewing top hip hop figures and reminisce about their early connections with Joe and Jada ([47:33–58:52]).
• Anecdote: The origin of “Two Jews & Three Black Dudes Review the Movies,” sparked by in-studio antics and strong personalities ([59:21–59:57]).

11. Humor & Lighthearted Moments

• Joe on Hair vs. Dunking: “I'd rather have hair. ... My shit be glossy... I'll be up here like, no, I'm telling you, I'd be really obnoxious.” ([71:23–71:49])
• Thanksgiving Turkey Stories: Wild turkeys in the neighborhood, swapping stories about neighborhood characters and animal encounters ([45:39–47:33]).
• Kicking back with fashion and sports reminiscences.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Fat Joe on hip hop's chart exclusion: “It's been 35 years. This is the first time they in the top 10 record or top 40 in hip hop in Billboard.” ([06:42])
• Jadakiss on culture: “We're losing control, losing the grip of the culture. They use hip hop for everything...every marketing tool to sell everything.” ([06:47])
• Fat Joe on Grammy Awards: “Grammys...they'll do it to you. They'll be like, all right, everybody think he's supposed to win. Give it to the guy. We don't know it. That's what keeps everybody intrigued in the Grammys.” ([17:58])
• Fat Joe on podcast awards: “That just means they got friends picking who's number one. They not really number one.” ([20:47])
• Fat Joe on Michael Jackson biopic: “...this movie... gonna deal with, you know, behind the scenes of like shit they was doing to him to make people look sideways at MJ.” ([13:25])
• Jadakiss on pod success: “No, we got a partner.” ([40:22])
• Fat Joe to authority: “You ain't never going to be this rich as me, man. ...Just give me the ticket. I want the ticket. ...You know your father had a poster of me on his wall.” ([79:10–80:30])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [06:42] — Discussion on Hip Hop’s exclusion from Billboard Top 40
• [08:06] — Clipse’s Grammy nominations, Grammy politics
• [11:54] — Impact of social media on love and relationships
• [13:25] — Michael Jackson biopic, tabloid manipulation, and parallels to social media
• [17:58] — Joe & Jada recount Grammy snubs
• [22:05] — Podcast awards as a rigged game
• [25:45] — What it really takes to win a Grammy/award
• [40:01] — Struggles of charity and giving back in current economy
• [41:41] — Commentary on deepening recession/depression
• [75:34] — Max B’s release, symbolism and reactions
• [76:55] — Parole struggles, stories of interference from authority
• [65:21] — Discussion on NYC affordability, Mandani, and gentrification
• [71:23] — Lighthearted conversation about hair vs. dunking
• [47:33] — Eric & Jeff (“It’s The Real”) join, share podcasting stories

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Conclusion

This episode is a lively, unfiltered look at hip hop culture’s present status, the economic and social pulse of urban America, the realities behind music industry awards, and cultural moments that bind the community. Fat Joe and Jadakiss mix humor, authenticity, and gritty wisdom, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of music, society, and street-level perspective.

Perfect for:

• Hip hop fans
• Industry insiders
• Those interested in the culture/politics of music and urban life
• Listeners who want honesty, humor, and real stories behind the headlines

Transcript

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[Joe Crack the Don]

You want to sit down? Yeah. You see how white people is? They help themselves to the cop. Nobody told these niggas to sit down. They're like, yo, can we sit down? Yes, maybe so. Yo, give him the handheld mic. He mothers come take over this. Yeah, yeah. What up, y'? All? This is Joe Crack the Dog.

[Jada]

You know who it is. Your boy Jada. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic, stepping on next.

[Joe Crack the Don]

So, you know, we got mad requests. Everybody like, they. I'd never seen people get mad. Cause we getting the best guests in the world. Every day, somebody legendary just pull up to the show. They've been begging us, like, yo, when we gonna get a Joe and Jada just to. I'm like, yo, this shit, yo, it must be horrible to be the competition. Be because, like, niggas pulling up on this shit so crazy. It's like, yo, every day we can't stop. I gotta tell people I can't do it. I actually have to tell certain artists. They hit me up and be like, yo, we just can't do it. You know, Jada's on a cruise. I'm over here. Like, we. I'm sorry, big people. I mean, this shit got motherfucker dizzy. You know what I'm saying? I know it. I know it. And we ain't stopped throwing that shit on them. Niggas is flabby and sick right now. You know what I'm saying? Hip hop is here. Hip hop is here. The buck stops here. Nowhere else. I know I've Been calling us the rookies of the year. It's starting to look like rookie of the year MVPs. Biggest show on earth. Sid, I'm being honest with you. I'm as humble as I can keep it. This is the biggest show in the game. Oh, y' all think I ain't being humble? I'm being very humble. I could be disrespectful.

[Jada]

I think you are. Nah, I think that was very disrespectful.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You know, hip hop is competition. I could always make a meme out of you at the verses. Where you like, Yo, I'm from here. Like, that's how I came in the game, thinking it's competition. Even though we got love for people, we got love for everybody. We want everybody to win. We want everybody to get the bag. But ain't nobody bigger than us.

[Jada]

That's what we do, baby.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Man, look at Jada. Whatever. You can smell that money, right? You know, smell as it. Jada be like that. His wife looking at him while he sleep. He like, yo, let let boy Jada up in that. Looking like, la, la la la, la la. It's crazy. That shit crazy, let me tell you. Hey, hey, y'. All, shout out our sponsors. Hard Rock. I used to spade everybody. And so hip hop, it's been 35 years. This is the first time they in the top 10 record or top 40 in the hip hop in Billboard.

[Jada]

It's sad.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Okay, break it down, break down. Why you think it's sad?

[Jada]

I mean, whenever something is running for so long and then it's dramatically just not there, that's that. That's how we got to look at that. I mean, is. We're losing. We're losing control, losing the grip of the culture. You're supposed to stay on there forever. They use hip hop for everything. Every commercial, every marketing tool to sell everything.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Let me tell you something. The other day, I was telling y', all, like, when I listen to country, I listen to other forms of music. There's always hip hop influence. The other day, I just realized the number one producer of K pop is a dude from fucking Compton. Hip hop dude from Compton, it's always our source that goes to every other genre or whatever the case may be. Country music, same shit. They using our pen. The flip side is, is the art more important? You know what I'm saying? So I feel like we've been getting great hip hop lately. Whether it's the MOBB Deep album or the clips or just cause they ain't charting. Cardi B'S album was crazy. So just cause they ain't charting on the top 40, Billboard doesn't mean the art, you know, people ain't creating. It don't mean links. I've been happy with hip hop this year.

[Jada]

Shout out to clips, man. Five Grammy nominations, you know what I mean? That means something. So somewhere, somebody, Something ain't mathing.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah, it's the art. Everybody just said, fuck, fuck the Billboard, fuck the hits, fuck that. Let's make dope music. And the people are saying, I love it. You know what I'm saying? The critics, whatever, saying I love it. And so when they eliminated Drake off the charts, they went on that full court press.

[Jada]

I think they eliminate him. I think he just chilled. I think he chilled.

[Joe Crack the Don]

But he gonna come back.

[Jada]

Gonna come back and massive destructive takeover.

[Joe Crack the Don]

No, I agree 1 billion percent. But what I'm saying for right now, you know, you, you realize that Drake was probably keeping us in that top 40 for fucking five, 10 years. Like every record he made was going number one. So it's like any records he made was going number one. He, I think he battling Michael Jackson for the most number ones. So he was on that. He, he was on that chart. You know, they making a Michael Jackson movie. You heard about that. The guy who made Training Day, Fruit Khan, what's his name? You know, I'm fried. Like, yo, come on. Yo, yo, kids. You know, I don't get right. But you know my heart's in the right place. Yeah, yeah, you know. Oh, what you think that flick's gonna be like?

[Jada]

What was the casting? We gotta see what's going on in the casting. Who they gonna cast? Who gonna be Mike?

[Joe Crack the Don]

His nephew's gonna be the star. Michael. Michael Jackson's nephew. Is he gonna be a Crip or no. Or after the surgery? Because I met a kid named. He said he was Michael Jackson son, but he looked like Michael Jackson after the surgery. Yo, yo, yo, yo. I met a dude. There's a dude running around New York, I swear to God, he looked like Michael Jackson. They say Michael Jackson got no cousins in New York. But he. Look, I'm telling you, I met the guy. He looked like Michael Jackson after the surgeries. He don't look like original Michael, know what I'm saying? So his nephew, he looked like what? He's in the family. They got him like, you know, anything Michael Jackson. I'm pulling up to the movie theater, I don't give a fuck. But I also think that this is going to be a lot of truth telling in this Michael Jackson biopic, you know, we see what's going on now. So what's going on now in life? We finally caught up to it. We finally like, oh, shit. That's what they doing, like smear campaigns and having been, you know, starting rumors about certain people. Yeah, but AI's now what I'm saying is a lot of the shit they did to Michael, a lot of the shit they did to Michael Jackson was ahead of the time. And we couldn't see because the media was way more controlled. It wasn't no phones, so they were saying whatever they want on the tabloid. Who was the leader? Whoever had that tabloid on lock was controlling the narrative. If you had beef with somebody strong enough, they had the plug to the Rupert Murdochs in them, you're fried. They could say anything they want about you in them tabloids that have people looking at you crazy. You go to supermarket, you buy the magazine. That's how you know. So if MJ had beef with anybody, because he was very, very powerful, they was controlling that narrative in the fucking magazines.

[Jada]

Cause Inquirers and all of them shits is bullshit.

[Joe Crack the Don]

But at the time, people took it serious. What I'm trying to tell you, at the time people took it serious. Like right now I feel like social media fucked up love. Like definitely if you, if you younger, if you ain't been with your wife a long time and she gotta stay outta ig. Cause ig, we all addicted to this shit. When fucking Michael Jordan started crying, Michael Jordan is the. Listen, I know Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, the last guy you would think is on ig, when he was at the Kobe funeral and he was crying, he said, yeah, they're going to make a meme out of me. Don't tell me he don't know what IG is. He knew the time quick. When he was crying at Kobe funeral, he said himself, oh, they gonna make a meme out of this. Jerry west laughed when he said that. Like the people we think ain't on Instagram and is on Instagram, right? So everybody's watching social media, social media. How are you in love? You take one wrong pick, the pressure will force your relationship to break up off the wrong pick. You ain't even got an opportunity to fix it. Especially these young kids. It's like social media fucked up love. What happened to love? You know what I'm saying? And then relationship's supposed to go up and down. You supposed to deal with it. It ain't always perfect. But with all that pressure to me, you be on that shade room with the. Between the line like this.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Joe Crack the Don]

With the line over, you ain't even make the choice. They'll make it for you. They'll be like, hey, it's time to go crazy lie. So what I'm trying to tell you is that right now the phone is different. We get to see more aspects. That's why people can't sweep shit under the rug. But back in the day, in the MJ era, they could control the media. I promise you this movie's gonna. I don't know. My prediction is it's gonna deal with, you know, behind the scenes of like shit they was doing to him to make people look sideways at mj. I'm sure if homeboy from the Training Day does that, it's going to be a lot of exposing the clips. Let's go back to the clips in the Grammys. What are we doing now? We just talking. We shooting this shit.

[Jada]

This is the movie jumpers.

[Joe Crack the Don]

But let me ask you something. You want to say something? Behalf of that, the mj, I hope it's a great film.

[Jada]

I know it will be with Antoine at the helm of it. Hopefully it'll be a great film and we get to see some stuff we never knew about in depth.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah, I want to see some stuff because some, every time I see like a fake little Michael Jackson movie, it always be like the same shit. It don't be, you know the guy, you seen the last one, they added like a real cheap one, the security cheap one. Now they had like a low budget Michael Jackson movie on one of these shits where not to be, not to be. But a little above that, where the security was telling his side of story and he was saying that Michael Jackson never paid them. Like he was broke when we thought he was the richest, but he always had that shit he ain't want to sell. So they would always come to him and be like, anytime. Yo, this guy, yo, MJ was rich. MJ was rich for so long, I think it was walking his stores, buying $10 million worth of shit like it was a pack of bubble gum. And one day they told him, yo, you ain't got it like that. But they kept telling them, yo, mj, oh, you got to do everybody, his family security. Everybody kept saying, yo, get rid of the catalog and you'll have a billion dollars right now. So even though he was going through hard times, nothing like what we think, but it was hard times. He always knew he had a billion dollars. He always knew, like at any point he could Just sell the key to a billion dollars. And everybody. That was everybody's conversation around MJ was like, yo, you could just sell it for a billion dollars. They said he went to some other shit he wanted to make, like Never Neverland Part 2. And when he went to get the money, they was like, yo, you ain't got it. And even the realtor was selling them, yo, just sell a catalog, buy this shit. Like nothing. Everybody knew he had that shit. They all knew, like, yeah, he fucked up, but he ain't really fucked up. Yeah, it's almost like when Kanye west went on that tantrum and he was like, he a billionaire. Well, even if they fuck all this shit up, he's still worth 200, 300 million. That's a cool spot to be at, you know? So let's go back to the Grammys, right? Because the Grammys are full of shit. But remember that year HOV had nine nominations that they didn't give him a award? You don't remember that shit? I was there. Yeah, they'll fuck you, man. They'll fuck you. I think the Clips win, too. It's the best album of the year, as far as I know. But they'll fuck you, you know what I'm saying? You know, the Grammys, they do everything you can't believe somebody could do like me. I want to shout out, Chance the Rapper, he's been taking a bad rap from me. I've been killing him in all my interviews and shit, because I didn't think he deserved to be all the way up. I really still don't. But I'm going to just say to him, I saw you on your little interview on the podcast, and you addressed it the right way. You correct. I should have won many gr. I was nominated for, like, six Grammys, at least. All the way up and lean back. For sure. I think I should have won Lean back. I lost to, like, I don't know who was it ever. Essence. Come on, Come on. Let's lean back, man. You know what I'm saying? We lost the Evanescence, you know what I'm saying? You see this shit? Grammys, they'll do it to you. They'll be like, all right, everybody think he's supposed to win. Give it to the guy. We don't know it. That's what keeps everybody intrigued in the Grammys.

[Jada]

Why?

[Joe Crack the Don]

Why?

[Jada]

I was supposed to win the Grammys.

[Joe Crack the Don]

There you go.

[Jada]

Who won?

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yo. Oh, no. DMX beat you.

[Jada]

You did.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah, that was that. Yeah, we looked that up. It was. It was DMX beat Y, right?

[Eric and Jeff]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I should have won that still in the family.

[Jada]

I still should have won that one. He had other shits that he should have gave him.

[Joe Crack the Don]

But obviously, when it's human, people, they got. People got feelings and they get all in their feelings and they do whatever they got to do politically. That's why with this, this podcast shit, I've been watching the numbers in the empirical data. We smoking everybody.

[Jada]

I don't know none of that. I don't know where the data.

[Commercial Announcer]

I do.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I don't know where I do that.

[Jada]

That's him, y'.

[Joe Crack the Don]

All. I do. When you talk about the amount of gas he's look. How many people tell you how many. How many. You went to Atlanta, to the ludicrous state. How many artists. How many artists told you they want to.

[Jada]

Every artist in the world.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Let me tell you something analytically with the numbers. We smoking everybody now. If we don't.

[Jada]

I don't know that.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Okay, let me explain.

[Jada]

I hope so.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I'm just preparing you now. So when the end of the year come and we know we beating that, we everybody, we smoking everybody's boots and they fucking rob us and give it to Josh and Raleigh and Arthur Willingston. Like, we know what the fuck going on here. He niggas, ain't nobody. Everywhere we walk, we walk through the airport, they're like, Joe and J. We go anywhere. Joe and Jada, this, this, this. You know what I'm saying? Come at the end of the year, you watch what funny. They're going to come and say we lost to. But that's political. That's no different than the Grammys. They got a team working.

[Jada]

They already know that's what's going on here.

[Joe Crack the Don]

All right? So that's what I'm trying to happen in the Grammys. That's why we don't get too caught up in these awards, because it is what it is. People be having their own people in play to make sure they win. Like, you know, I can't look at. I'm sorry, right? I can't look at a chart or podcast and never heard of these guys. And they, they're going to be higher than us. Know what I'm saying? Now I know. Call me Daddy, the girl. I know Joe Rogan. I know Amy Schumer. I know Joe Button. I know. I mean, you know, I know those guys. But when you're going to come up here and put me, you know, Jonathan and William podcast very like, yo, I can't do that. Like, I, I, I'm sorry, I don't.

[Jada]

Deal with this guys.

[Joe Crack the Don]

That's. This is a talk shit show. So I'm gonna talk my shit. Cause I'm preparing the people. Just because they say they number one. That just means they got friends picking who's number one. They not really number one. And now let me tell you how I judge it, right? If Joe and Jada has two time felon as a guest, right, he's coming out with an album, he comes sitting the couch. He's our guest. We put him on here. We talk interesting conversation. See, me and you, we know different than Shaquille o' Neal or Chuck. They know we played the game. They know we got the experience, we legends. They want to hear us talk to the Clips and all put it like this, the Clips game. Anybody else who interviewed him is behind us. And 300,000 views for 400,000. This is all I'm saying. The same guest is coming here that's going over there. They getting 150000 views. We getting a half a million views. What with where? What? No, no, I want to know what's a 50 cent spice ham sandwich or what's the. Tell me what the. I'm not dumb. If we interviewing the same person and we got them beat by 300000 boats. How the day number one, what ballots are you looking at? Where is he looking at? You better be prepared. It's all right. Jada don't care.

[Jada]

No.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Y' all better get him a strong pack of that Zaza that day. He look at that.

[Jada]

When they come in.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Whatever you smoke, I'm smoking that day. Cause I'm telling we're going to be mad. We put in a lot of work every day we got the illest look tomorrow. We look who's coming tomorrow. Every day the illest dudes in the world, they flying in to be on this show. In and out. This is the biggest show in hip hop right now. This is controlling the culture. And when I want to compare notes, my notes is, well, why did John Butler come on our show? And we got 800,000 views with him. And. And you got 300. I want to know how you better than us. Like how are you better? Where's your numbers adding up like that? And so I'm looking at all this. If you got a guy. If you got a guy who put out two times, they also not moving like us, brother. They not moving like this. We shooting three. You know what I'm saying? So we did say somebody does buy Miracle. Get More views than us. By the time he drops that one episode, we. We already dropped three episodes with 300, 400, 200. This is a million views. We got these niggas packed up. I'm not. You can't dizzy me out. I know what's going on. So at the end of the year when the awards come out and fucking Jonathan and William wins that, we never heard of these niggas. They not moving nothing. No coaching, no nothing. You know the fix is in. I'm just trying to prepare you guys for the fix. Oh, no, to fixes it. There's no way we, me and you, we ain't political. We tell these people, excuse my language. We tell them, suck our dick all the time. We not political. We not political. I got in trouble, man. I got a friend who's a big time jeweler, right? And I went on Nori's watch show and I said, yo, the man told me, yo, once again, I love you and your family, you beautiful people. I got nothing but love and respect for you. Maybe you didn't realize you told me. He told me like, yo, I said, yo, I want the AP acrylic. This is Jody. You gotta come kiss ass a little. Like, you know, you gotta come and kiss ass. I looked at him, you know, Nori says he calls them on their birthday, that the watch guy. Nori be like, hey, John, happy birthday, buddy. How. How would. Nori goes there, drinks a coffee with him. He play that game. I can't play that game. I'm buying some shit for 350,000, yo, sell me the shit. Like, I'm not kissing your ass and spending the 350 beloved. It's just not happening. So he really got a problem with me. All our friends that know us today, like, yo, you broke his heart. I said, first of all, I ain't say his name, but I'm not breaking his heart. The man looked at me and told me lyrically, with his own lips, you have to kiss pause. You have to kiss ass to get the watch. I cannot do that, guys. Not me, not Fat Joe. I'm not doing that, bro. I'm not playing that game. But that's the kind of game you got to play when you want to be number one on a podcast. They want you to go up to whoever's holier than our than us and have dinner with them and start kissing they ass. And, hey, we really. Me and you are not going to do that.

[Jada]

Definitely not.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Other people are doing that. I watched somebody who really, really, really wanted a Grammy what do you want?

[Jada]

Everybody really wanted a Grammy.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Not the same way, buddy. It's not the same way, okay? If you really want the Grammy, you got to kiss a million babies. You got to show up to every guitar school, every. There's a whole process for you to win the Grammy. You don't just win the Grammy because Y was number one. You gotta go out there and shake hands and kiss people and fly to Memphis to the guitar school. To this day, so much shit you gotta do to win a Grammy. They ain't just giving you the Grammy by mistake. Hey, his shit was better than his. That's not happening. I'm trying to put you on to some shit. If you don't know that by now, this whole shit is bullshit. So with that being said, do we think the Clips win any of the five awards?

[Jada]

I think they win.

[Joe Crack the Don]

How many you won? What's your prediction? Cause you like the bet they gonna win. Hard rock bets. Throw it up.

[Jada]

They nominated for five. They should walk away with at least one or two.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I believe so. And they deserve it. The album was incredible. That album wasn't like. They ain't sell they soul. They stood to the clip sound. They got Pharrell with it too. That's what's gonna help Pharrell known.

[Jada]

That's gonna help them.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Pharrell know how to play the game. That's my. I'm happy. Because I'm happy. That motherfucker could know what to do.

[Jada]

I ain't get my jellyfish.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You ain't get your. I seen you with some jellyfish the other day. You full of.

[Jada]

Got them.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You bought them? Yes. I can't lie. They sent me some jellyfish.

[Jada]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah, your man J. Shout out to.

[Jada]

My family over there. Gradual family. That show. You know what I mean? Trying. Trying to show love.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yo, I ain't gonna lie to you. The jellyfish is comfortable.

[Jada]

I got two pair, but they ain't supposed to.

[Joe Crack the Don]

But they comfy, though, right?

[Jada]

They feel.

[Joe Crack the Don]

They feel good. The jellyfish was right. You know, Sneak of the year was the brick by brick. Nigel Sylvester, somebody stole a pair of motions. They stole your shit.

[Jada]

One pair.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I got three pair sitting there. You know what I'm saying? Now I'm gonna keep it a buck, which. I got three pairs.

[Jada]

Let me get another.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I got. I got three pairs sitting there. The one thing you can't do is match. Did you match it? Match it now you can't, right? It gotta be all black or something.

[Jada]

You can't try to match.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You can't Just match it.

[Jada]

Nothing matches.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Damn. Nothing matched the brick by brick. Like, I tried camel. You know who I learned that from? Like, I learned that from years ago. Now everybody know years ago was AI. AI would always show up with some camo shit and some kicks, and I'd be like, damn. It always go like, camo's like a blank plate. It's like a green screen. It's like a green screen. My nigga, you rock that camel, you could rock whatever you want on the feet. The camel and whatever you want on the feet, it go. Know what I'm saying? Camo go with everything. I learned that from AI. AI was the first guy I used to see, he used to rock that camo and whatever. And I was like, damn, that's how you do it. You can get it off of the camera. You funny man. That brick by brick. What was one of your favorite kicks this year?

[Jada]

The black fives with the white lace.

[Joe Crack the Don]

No, that was. That was mean. That didn't make the top 10. That was mean. I wore those in Dubai. Not.

[Jada]

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[Joe Crack the Don]

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[Jada]

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[Joe Crack the Don]

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[Jada]

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[Joe Crack the Don]

Shout out to Kevin Lyles. You know Kevin Lyles is my neighbor, man. Today he blast this music so loud. It was raining. Sound like Michael Jackson. I facetime him. I said, yo Kev, what you playing next door? Cause he blasting that shit his backyard. He said, oh, it's my new artist. And he sent the shit over. Hold up, let me tell you who his new artist is. Cause I feel like he wanted me to mention this shit on the show. Come was blowing that with so that was like a park jab. Toxic long for you. A single by Justin Lee Schultz. This is mean. This song right here is beyond mean. But you know Kevin Lazzi working, you know, he, he didn't wake up yesterday. Let's get to this guy. I don't really like this guy as a ball player. What's his name? Giddy from Chicago.

[Jada]

Josh Giddey.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I thought that was park talk. Like, yo, I'm gonna break your ankles. I didn't know it was literally, I'm gonna break your ankles. Your man from Cleveland. Who's your man from Cleveland? Hunter. That came from Atlanta, bro. Not only he crossed took over completed the dump. They came and picked the guy up and he literally crossed him over so bad he broke his ankles. Like the. The dude, they sprained his ankles. Have you ever seen that? Yeah, I never even seen that in the park. You seen it in the pickup game in the park?

[Jada]

I see people get hurt off of getting something happen.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Like what you see, it's the craziest.

[Jada]

Shit of all time. I seen somebody get hit with a.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Jab step that made him back all.

[Jada]

The way up to the other court down there. The other nigga didn't even move.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Did he hit it? Did he hit the shot after the move?

[Jada]

It was a timeout.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Cause nobody.

[Jada]

He went all the way down there off a jab step.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah, I was at the ruck and I seen this guy, this guy, you know. You know, when you at the Rucker kids who ain't in the NBA, they get they name for playing against the NBA players. If you bust their ass on the court now, you a legend out there. Cause these guys in the NBI Watch Jamal Tinsley bring that shit down so fast. And he went like this. And money flew. Money was trying to be aggressive, checking him. Money flew like on the bleachers, like he. He had a seat at the bleachers. He crossed that nigga so crazy, homeboy that flew into this bleacher seat like this. They just went up in there and laid it up like he just stopped by. Money set, flew into the. But this guy, Giddy. Giddy goes on the world. World's record right now from getting crossed over. He's worse than anybody ever in the history. I'm surprised they don't got him on roller skates, all type of shit. Skateboarding waves. He need to be on waving. He needs to be waving like on the. Like surfing on the sub when Kenny.

[Jada]

And them put him up.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Then they throw that nigga in the wheelchair with the. With the. With the IV and shit, like he might hit. What they did to this man, I never said. And I don't like this guy because he plays really good against the Knicks. Chicago got a mean team this year. This Giddy, he don't see the Knicks.

[Commercial Announcer]

He.

[Joe Crack the Don]

He killing us. So when they did that to him, I was so happy. I was like, yeah, hate this motherfucker. Motherfucker. Anyway, that's the illness right there. What you thinking about this basketball season? You know, we undefeated at home. We got.

[Jada]

We gotta play good on the road, though. Shout out to Ronnie. He thought he. When I called him about that jacket.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You had on, Ronnie Kiff. Which one? The cream one hit me.

[Jada]

He told me they was hitting Mike Brinkley.

[Joe Crack the Don]

They was hitting Mike Brinkley Jr. Don't do that.

[Jada]

No. Brink son worked for the Knicks. So they was hitting the sun.

[Joe Crack the Don]

It was hitting the sun, thinking it was Mike Brink.

[Jada]

Yeah. Me an apology.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Ronnie Giff is the Don Kaliani of fast.

[Jada]

It hit Frank Jr. Man, did he.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Give you the jacket? Nothing. Nothing. No, I don't. Nothing. No, nothing. Nah, nah, I got nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

[Jada]

They knew nothing. If I don't have you, I didn't hit Brink Jr.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Though, you know, they got it got confused on the phone. Look, Ronnie's a guy. He loves you. Ronnie's a stand up guy. He loves you. That's my dog.

[Jada]

That's my guy.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I believe that. What's that? That say less. Huh? What's that Say less. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I came in the building. Yeah, the girl, that Dominican girl had that. Say less. I said, they live.

[Jada]

I don't know how we don't got a food sponsor.

[Joe Crack the Don]

By now we should have been at Jimmy John. I don't know what's going on.

[Jada]

They ain't sponsoring us.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Jimmy John, hot food sponsor. Say less. They said right. Right or wrong two times. Let's say less, huh? No. Damn.

[Jada]

Wasn't that sponsoring us though?

[Eric and Jeff]

We needed.

[Jada]

We will do a real deal.

[Joe Crack the Don]

These guys sponsored us. What's going on with Thanksgiving? You know, everybody losing. They snap, ebt, welfare, life.

[Jada]

That's messed up.

[Joe Crack the Don]

No, super messed up like that's gonna.

[Jada]

Give out some food. You gonna give out some turkeys, trying.

[Joe Crack the Don]

To starve them into submission. Let me ask you a question. You throw it out all the time. You partner up with somebody like, you put up half, they put up half with pcny. I gotta partner up with them again. Because the guys I normally partner up with, they not picking up. They like, yo, it's bad out.

[Jada]

They ain't got it.

[Joe Crack the Don]

They ain't got it.

[Jada]

Yo, we got a partner.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yo, I gotta call pcny. Cause listen, usually what I do is if I put up 50,000, the food sponsor matches it with the 50,000, and we feed thousands of people this year's crickets. They not picking up the phone. Nobody who they've been doing it with me for 10, 12, 15 years, bro. They not picking up the phone. Things are doing. And I'm like, yo, but what's up? What happened? I did something wrong. They like, yo, man, it's bad out here. They can't even give it out. They gonna force me to.

[Jada]

Are you giving it out. Let's get the, you know, let's go live forces, man. We, we got. We doing it. We're doing it best Eig for the people, man.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You gotta do it big. I want to shoot episode. When we give it out at the store. We have a couple of friends come by, some rappers, just talk shit, you know what I'm saying? Talk about how important Thanksgiving is. Because, you know, I remember my mom used to have to, you know, borrow sometimes from my family to feed us on Thanksgiving. And right now, it's harder times than ever. It's like up. You know what I'm saying? It's really up out here in the streets. I watched this girl on social media, or a woman, she was like, if you got a beauty salon, if you got this, if you got that, if you got this kind of business and you've been putting in all that work and you ain't making no money, don't think it's because of you. It just ain't no money in the streets. This is an all time low. This is like a recession, a depression. This is you read about in the book. I'm telling you, Kiss, we bless. There's some people really up out there, like really, really up, caught in the fucking politics right now. 42 million people caught up in limbo. No, he trying to starve them into submission. I'm telling you. You know, we don't talk about politics here, but it's fucked up. We gonna feed the people regardless. But I'm just saying that it's so bad that the people that donate with.

[Jada]

Us, they ain't even not picking up.

[Joe Crack the Don]

It's crazy. It's gone. They're not even picking up. Well, one of them picked up. They was just like, yo, it's up out here. Like, how we giving out to somebody? Motherfuckers ain't buying shit, right?

[Jada]

No turkeys.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Telling you, I got guys rich this year. I got guys that we've been like, packed turkey, spice ham. We might get them to spam turkey. You ever ate the Spam turkey? Never had a spurgey Spam turkey is good, yo. You never had the Spam turkey? I had it Spam turkey. Nah, it's Spam, but it's turkey. It's not the swine. No pork on my fork, no ham in my pan. Turkey. I might be the only Puerto Rican without. I went to the Italian deli, you know, Piccolo's in Jersey. I go to Piccolo's, right?

[Jada]

Shout out to Piccolo.

[Joe Crack the Don]

No, Piccolo's got the. It's the real military. It's like Arthur Avenue in the Bronx, but in Jersey. But in any case, I'm over there getting some Italian food. The ladies hustling me for Puerto Rican food. She's like, yo, where can I get the Ben Ning at? I need the best Ben Ning.

[Jada]

You just love it.

[Joe Crack the Don]

No, no. I told her I'm going to pick it up. I told her I'm going to pick up some Ben Ning for you, and I'm going to bring it over here because she's always good to me.

[Jada]

These are your guys right here, brothers Eric and Jeff. I mean, it's the real in the building. I mean, two Juice, three bds.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yo, they in the building now. I love these guys, but if they beat us as number one podcast, this the shit I'm talking about.

[Jada]

Our shit is a whole different lane.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I mean, no, I'm.

[Jada]

We doing Sisker and ibu. We in another lane with our podcast. That's why it's even able to exist, because we over. We out of the atmosphere with this we doing.

[Joe Crack the Don]

We reviewing movies.

[Jada]

You gotta come. You gotta come. Let us review one of the movies you was in.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I mean, you want to sit down? Yeah. You see how white people is? They help themselves to the cap. Hey, nobody told these to sit down. They're like, yo. They're like, yo, can we sit down? Like, yes, maybe so. Yo, give them the handheld mic. These motherfuckers come take over this shit. Well, everybody loves these guys. They have a hell of a reputation for being great guys. They've been putting in work. Yeah, but you guys, you've been doing it for a long time. Can you tell our audience who you are?

[Eric and Jeff]

Yeah, like this.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yo, what up?

[Eric and Jeff]

It's Eric, AKA the Baggage Chandler, AKA Catch A Case. Yo, what up?

[Joe Crack the Don]

It's Jeff, AKA Shooter, Boy in Blue, AKA Papa Smurf.

[Eric and Jeff]

Where it's the real Yo Jada.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You gave them.

[Jada]

They was crazy. Like, that's how I met them. When I met him, they did one of them shits. I was looking at him like, who the are these guys?

[Joe Crack the Don]

That's the mayor put me on to you.

[Eric and Jeff]

Mayor? Mayor's our guy. We asked him if he was going to be here today. He was trying to move some things around.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You know, he's always here. He's always. He always comes hang out. Today he was like. He was killing turkeys.

[Jada]

Yes.

[Joe Crack the Don]

He told you that shit.

[Jada]

Yeah, he's killing turkeys.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Nah, nah. And mayor's house. For some reason, every year around Thanksgiving, he gets like, 15 wild turkeys in the. In the yard.

[Jada]

He hunt.

[Joe Crack the Don]

No, no. He be like, yo, I'm telling y', all, that ain't got snap out here. Like, I'm ready to kill the turkeys.

[Jada]

They go to jail.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Where the they come from?

[Jada]

Look, you can't kill a turkey.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Where they come from? Like, the woods. Every year they come.

[Eric and Jeff]

Mayor could do whatever he wants.

[Joe Crack the Don]

But why they come down every year around the same time?

[Jada]

Holiday. They come down for the holiday, man. They want sweet potato pop.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Let me tell you something. I moved to Miami, and I built me one of the most beautiful homes I ever built was in Plantation Florida. And it was horse. They. No, no, it was horses. They had horses. They had. It was like. It was like mansions, but it was like farm life. And at night, you hear animals and be like, you from the Bronx. You used to hearing ambulance and 40 bottles this. I'm scared to death, mother. I said, like, who the fuck? Like. Cause you know, Florida. I wouldn't put it past a motherfucker having the tiger in his backyard. It's like they into these animals. That was a scary animal. And then the raccoons come. The raccoons is like three, four deep. It was like a cartoon, a movie. They come through. I start banging on the wind. They don't give a. Raccoons are not scared of you. They open up the garden. They know how to open up the garbage. Go through your. In your face. And you can't do. Man, I was miserable out there. Like, every day I would. I would try to go to the pool at night. Like, tiptoe to the pool, hoping no animal was out in that. That's a different type of thing. But may he keep the. The turkey. Just pull up.

[Eric and Jeff]

Yeah, Joe, we had a podcast that we did from 2015 all the way to 2020 on a weekly basis, right? And then moving up to Christmas, we would do 12 episodes in 12 days. So we did a lot of content, right? It was called a waste of time with its thrill. And we had everyone on from Stevie Wonder to Cardi B. People come over to our crib and sit down, right? Jeezy and Ross, and the list went on and on. Number one on our list that we never got to sit down with Joe Crack the Don, not for lack of trying. We hit up Angie, we hit up Mayor, we hit up Rich the player.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Now they got your shit too viral. These motherfuckers ain't like me. I'm telling you, these motherfuckers ain't like me. And I would have went on your shit, and we'd have been on every newspaper in the world. Because I just. I would have been like, ain't nobody watching these white guys. Let me see. Crazy astronomical shit. Be like, oh, my God. You hear this? That talking over there? Like, yo, I would have went crazy.

[Eric and Jeff]

We live on the Upper west side. We were told that was too far for you to go 100%. And then one day. One day we're walking on Broadway, There's a black truck, and who pops out of the passenger seat to go to Paris? Baguette Joe Crack the Don. And when we ran into you another time, we were like, yo, and you were on our block, and you were like, I ran.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I ran. I bumped into you guys a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

It's never at the crib. It's never for the interview.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Never for the interview. Nah, I got mad love for them. I love what they do.

[Eric and Jeff]

And we. You listen, you. You guys are killing it up here.

[Joe Crack the Don]

We are right now. I'm being really cheap with the interviews. Like, right now. I'm gonna keep it real with you.

[Eric and Jeff]

That's why we had to sneak on here.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah. I was staying away with. Ask a question to Fat Joe that you might want to ask you up here. We don't give a fuck. This show ain't about nothing, but ain't no professionality to this shit. We don't give a fuck.

[Eric and Jeff]

Joe, I just want to let you know that there. And I've told you this before, there was a moment when you were on with Nori, and those are some of, like, the most epic conversations ever.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Legendary. Legendary type of shit.

[Jada]

Yo, we.

[Eric and Jeff]

We would tell Styles. We're like, yo, we just want to pull up and sit down at dinner and hear Joe talk. Like, for real. Like, we just. You are the greatest storyteller in hip hop. This platform is amazing. But when you were on with Nori, you told a story. When you got locked up and you walked into that jail and everyone was fucking cheering for you and banging on that cheering.

[Joe Crack the Don]

It was intimidating. Yo, that shit was like a dragon with no fire. It was like the dragon for fucking old. What's the movie where the dragon kills everybody with the fire and shit? From hbo.

[Eric and Jeff]

Game of Thrones.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Game of Thrones. You walk in your Tater, you know, man. Yeah, listen, first of all, Puff Daddy got a suite. He went to a Fort Dix, a New York jail where everybody he knows is in there.

[Jada]

New Jersey.

[Joe Crack the Don]

They sent. New Jersey. I was supposed to go there. And on Saturday, he said, yo, you live in Miami. You going to the Miami jail. I was going to go to Four Diggs. They had fucking rock bottles ready for me. Double mattresses, floss. Millionaire was in there. Ching, bing, all of it. The whole planet was waiting for me. The feds must have heard that. They said, oh, no, this guy is even going to be too much trouble or this is going to be out of control. Send them to Miami. So when I walk in there, it's 2,000 guys. Aryan Nation, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans. This. Just sound like a fucking motorcycle when it's doing this shit. I'm like, yo, this. I had to walk in. It's the only time in my life where I had to check myself because they was walking me to my cell where I was like, yo, Joe, you really. Than all these niggas. Don't fold. Don't fold. Because it felt like me against 2000 guys. Because I didn't know one person. I didn't look at one person was like, all right, I know him. I knew nobody. And they all in there. And the fucking walls are made out of metal. I went in my cell, and then whoever the rappers was try to run in the cell, whoever the 30 rappers was who'd been waiting their whole life to getting the gang, came and I was like, yo, yo, yo, gotta get out the cell. Can't come in the shit. This ain't no rapper shit. You know, I tell you what's crazy is in that same jail that has two where I just told you, I'm intimidated. They have 2,000 guys and they got four tables. So there's TV, there's the Spanish, sports, English, give a fuck if you speak Spanish. And now everybody looking at Spanish chicks up on that, that got more black dudes looking at that than Spanish. Tuned in like, oh, my gosh, she's my favorite Rosalita. Like, they don't give a right. But they got four tables, and each table got, like, the moral to the stories. I asked this guy, I said, yo, man who sits there, he looks at me because of Yo, Jada. I keep trying to tell you, a lot of guys, pussy, most men are. I'm telling you the truth. I get up in there and he looks at me like, I'm like, he was scared for me asking him like he didn't even want to be in a conspiracy. I said, yo, sits in those table, he's like, AKA the toughest niggas in the world got them tables. There's a guy sitting there. I go down, I tell the guy, I'm only there 10 minutes. I tell a guy, yo, get the fuck up. Looking at me, he say, yo, what you mean, get up? This our table. I said, like I said, get the fuck up. You got to get busy something. Cause we. I need this table. The whole jail was watching. There's 2,000 inmates watching the guy fold. He'd get up, he'd walk away. He ain't want no smoke. He just got up. That's it. That's the end of his table. But I also lost. A thousand other inmates was mad at me because this ain't cuddly. Fat Joe the rapper. It's like, oh, he's on bullshit frag. Joe took the table. He's. He's on some shit. But, you know, only at four months, and I was willing to get in the fight, get in the box for four months, you know. You know, you would have heard Fat Joe got beat up by a hundred guys. It would have been a story like, yo, 100 guys beat him up. They dragged him. He fought a hundred. You know, I wouldn't have let nobody down. That's the thing with jail. When you go to jail and you somebody who. Too many people who've been saying that you're a real guy for their whole life and all that, you can't let them down. When you in there, you can't have no stories of you being played pussy. No. No compromising stories. You gotta go. It's not even. I'm by myself. I'm with every guy that ever said, what's up to me? Or ever was down with me or ever said, fat Joe's a real one. I got to go in there and protect that. That's how I had to give it up. Like, anybody who saw me in there, they had to be like, the other day, I'm in the party, money, Matt's birthday. My man Tafia, he could tell you, you wanna bring Tafia on there. He was the only guy locked up with me. He from Miami. I seen him in the club the other day. I told everybody at the table, if y' all don't believe what I say, go ask that guy. That guy was locked up on me, Tafia, he'll tell you. You know what I'm saying? And it's just. It is what it is. Tafia, that's my brother from down in Miami, but Tafia was locked up on me. The one guy to be in the scene that he could tell you what it is or not. You know, I had mentoring, so I had my Brother Opie Megatron, who had 20 years in jail. I had Pistol Pete with another 20 years in jail. It was about three of them. And I'd be like, what to do, what not to do, right? And they was like, yo, you can't let nobody in your cell. That's a violation. Right? Then in the cell, the tough guy sleeps in the bottom, the other guy sleeps on the top. That's another conversation I had as soon as I came in the set. But this guy was a good guy. This. This guy, he was a Muslim dude. And I walked in the cell and I was like, yo, you got to go to the top. He said, what? I said, you have to sleep on the top. This is in one minute. So like, yo, Kiss. They didn't even get a minute to breathe. I'm like, yo, you gotta go up top. He was like, what? I said, brother, you have to go up there. I sleep down here. I've been here 18 months. This is my cell. Just, bro, I don't care what you think, what you heard, what you think, you gotta go up there. I'm sleeping here. And then the guy, you know, once he went outside, they must have told him who I was, because he came back. I didn't know who you is. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. This is. I said, nah, nah, nah, it's all good. But that was it, you know, they gave me a rule book, shit not to do. They told me, never play basketball. Cause said that's where motherfuckers value on purpose. Like going for the ball back. Imagine the dude do that to you once or twice, he's got to turn into a fight. So they was like, yo, don't even play basketball. I said, what you mean? I might want to play back. They was like, that's exercising the Euro. Yeah, that's where the motherfucker. I couldn't do the euro to him. You know, I coached in there, 40 and over. And I won the chip. 40 and older. And they bounced the ball like this. Yo, James, like the Bad News Bear. They was the most horrible niggas. Let me tell you something. I worked in the kitchen. There was a dude, me and him was super cool. He joined that 40 and over basketball league. They might have lost 100 to 1. These guys was bouncing the ball like the Bad News Bear. The next Saturday, went out there, they lost 100 to 1. It was embarrassing. The next Saturday, I walked out. Six in the morning. I went in the court, I said, you here, you here, you here. When this guy come here, you Move to the thing. You go like this. See how easy it is? Yo, just go, yo, listen, I swear to God, I went up in there and I coached them, and they wound up winning the chip. It turned into, like, the Rucker. Every Saturday was crazy. But now by the second, third week, I'm coaching them nice niggas is like, yo, crack, let me be on the team. I mean, it was dunked him in the head. Like, the nice dudes came, and it was like, yo, crack, put me on the team. That's when that shit got crazy. It got crazy lit. Motherfucker thought they was at the Rucker in Miami, But I was coaching, but I helped them got. They won the chip.

[Eric and Jeff]

Winners sleep on the bottom, right?

[Joe Crack the Don]

The winners sleep on the bottom.

[Eric and Jeff]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Paul.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah. Welcome to the show.

[Eric and Jeff]

Can I tell you how we all, like, linked up in the first place?

[Joe Crack the Don]

Let us know.

[Eric and Jeff]

All right.

[Joe Crack the Don]

So, you know this guy took over our show. I gotta respect. Nah, nah, not your kids. They got legendary right here. Yeah.

[Eric and Jeff]

We had this weekly podcast that we would do. Everyone would come, we would tell this story from, like, the beginning of your life to where we are today. Everyone sat down, did the same shit. So the guys knew us so well that when they signed to Roc Nation, they were going to put out their ep. They wanted to come promoted on our platform. So the three of them are going to come up to our apartment, sit down, tell their story as the locks cool. Except for the fact that before they showed up, Sheik was totally sober. Styles took an edible and you know he's a professional, and then kiss right to sleep on the table while we're recording occasionally.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Sometimes he come in here so hot, y', all. I can smell that. I know when they give him the good shit or they give him the maintained shit. There's a weed that's maintained, maintain. He hot, he chilling, he in the moment. Then there's sometimes that boy come up in here, fry. I said, yo, they gave this thing a pure today. This thing got some shit. So that day. Yeah, out.

[Eric and Jeff]

But he would wake up every once in a while. He would start, like, singing New Edition.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Songs, or he would, like, just chime in with, like, other things that, like.

[Eric and Jeff]

Didn'T have anything to do with anything.

[Jada]

Let's do what.

[Joe Crack the Don]

This is so nice, yo.

[Eric and Jeff]

So meanwhile, Luch and P are yelling about movies, and they're looking around, and they're looking at the bookshelves, and they're like, oh, you fuck with the Big Lebowski. He wakes up, he's like, you gotta talk about the Color Purple. We're like, what is going on? I said, whatever this energy is, you guys need to have your own podcast. Just like we do one, except you talk about movies. And styles goes, no, we're gonna do one, and we're gonna call it Two Jews and Three Black Dudes Review the Movies. And so here we are eight years later, doing on a weekly basis, talking about Home Alone, talking about Trading Places, talking about sinners, talking about weapons.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I met a young man.

[Jada]

Rambo.

[Eric and Jeff]

Rambo.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I met a young man. He's autistic. I met him at a sneaker store. I want to say where. I'm sorry, guys, I want to say where, Because I copped some good sneakers there. But the kid, he know every movie, what year, what actor. I was like, warriors. Hey, that's Led Thompson. That's that. 1977. This, this, and that. Yo, what about the Wanderers? Hey, that's Jonathan Adler. This, this, this. He knew every. He's. He's like the Rain Man.

[Jada]

We need him more.

[Commercial Announcer]

Let's go.

[Jada]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack the Don]

No, it's actually no fun. By the time. By the fourth or fifth one, you like this guy know everything. I don't know where it was. Somewhere. I don't know where. I don't want to say where it was a sneaker store. They showed me nothing but love. Damn. I don't know where. I want to say, like, Kansas City or something. And the man comment, he know everyone.

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[Joe Crack the Don]

Uh, Mondami, right? We all New Yorkers, right? Yep. What you think about. About Mondan?

[Eric and Jeff]

Love him. We, we met him when we roll with the locks to the Wu Tang show.

[Jada]

Told you he came to my dressing room.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah, Donald Trump came to your too, but yeah, we want. Don't worry about it.

[Jada]

Donald Trump was in Diddy's dressing.

[Eric and Jeff]

Yo.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yo, yo, Let me tell you something. Yo, yo, Kiss. Definitely always. Nah, he was in Denny's dressing room.

[Jada]

That's where I ever first seen him at. Before any elections, any of that.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Y' all used to see Donald Trump walking down the street in New York. No bullshit. See him at Nick games, boxing matches, walking down the street. I used to see him in New York City, Manhattan. Oh shit. Donald Trump, he just walking like a regular dude. That's crazy. But Mondami, you like them.

[Eric and Jeff]

Love him, Love him. We need change, we need hope, we need, like to do something different. I'm tired of being in this place where everyone's getting priced out. Why are there no creatives, young creatives in New York anymore? Because they're all moving to more affordable cities. You can't stay here, you can't create here. It's a longer, you know, a bigger, deeper thing than, than just, you know, what the news tells you.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You know, a guy like me who make a lot of money, I should be on the other side, right? I never seen people hate a guy who says he wants to give less rent. Free bus rides, this thing. Well, I hate them. I want to pay more. Fuck this Mondami. There's only mansions where I live. It's only rich people go to the restaurants I go to. I'm sitting here, this fuck Mandami, them shits is flying from all over. This guy, you believe he wants lower rent? He wants free buses. This guy, he's a commie. I'm like, yo, what happened? People want to pay more. They want to. Actually. This shit is crazy to me, Rob. Like, yo, I listen, I go, yo, I ain't in politics, but this is bugged out, yo.

[Eric and Jeff]

There's a lot of people who aspire to have money like you. A lot of people who aspire to.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Live on the niggas got way more money than me.

[Eric and Jeff]

Totally. No, no, for sure. But there are people who aspire for that. But there's also so many people who aren't doing that. You know, so many people are struggling to make it through. And, like, why shouldn't they have a chance? Why shouldn't they, like, be allowed to, like, enjoy the city? Why do they gotta be priced out and move to, like, another state and not be a part of this? Like, what is New York if not like, a chance for young creatives to do their thing and, like, make it here?

[Joe Crack the Don]

You know, you make it here, you make it anywhere. But it's just the same fucked up. Everything seems unfair. Yeah, it feels like there's the rich get richer. There's no middle class, and they just real poor people. It's really crazy. They say, he's the number one realtor for Florida. So everybody's going down to Florida. Well, good luck. That expensive. My wife was looking at Palm Beach. The crackhead house is 89 million. Good luck. No mar a Lago for you.

[Jada]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Dead ass, number one realtor. They say Mandani, because, you know, people like, oh, well, they did it.

[Eric and Jeff]

If everyone's moving, like, let us know. Let us, let us know your address and we'll, you know, I ain't gonna.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Lie to you, Covid. Happened. Yeah, a lot of people moved down to Florida. And so I'm going to, like, say Carbone. I'm seeing my neighbors from New York. Everybody I know from New York is in the restaurant every night. That did happen, and they've been talking about that since I was a kid, but they would never do it. Yo, we going to Florida. Fuck that. But it really happened. Where everybody from New York was in every restaurant, everything. They moved down there. So it felt like the Knicks game every night in every upscale restaurant in fucking Miami, right? But now the other half who stood in New York, they're starting to say, yeah, I'm going to Boca Raton. I'm going to Palm Beach. I'm going to Florida. Like, they literally are saying that. You know what I'm saying? Everywhere I'm going. The other night, I was in a restaurant, shout out to my people. Pietro, you know, Pietros on the east side, they got them sauteing clams. That shrimp salad.

[Commercial Announcer]

God damn it.

[Joe Crack the Don]

That what this popping the salad feel like a meal. Shrimp salad is so good. But everybody in that restaurant, you know, you hearing the Montamis to, I'm going to Florida, yo. Boca Raton. Like, they, they, they. They got a real problem with this, man.

[Eric and Jeff]

You know what Else I love. He's young. Like, I'm tired of, like, older politicians, ones who are getting, like, way up there, deciding what everybody else.

[Jada]

I don't know. That's a shaky one.

[Eric and Jeff]

Why is that?

[Jada]

You gotta watch his ass.

[Joe Crack the Don]

He gotta watch his food, yo.

[Jada]

Yeah, you gotta be careful, man.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You think you got a food. He got. He need a food tester.

[Jada]

Need everything.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You know, back in the day, the kings that had somebody eat the food and then be like, all right. Even in the Indian movies back in the day, they'd be like, yo, taste the food. Like, my daddy got a food taster.

[Eric and Jeff]

I'm here for change. I'm here for young people making some decisions, doing something different.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You know, I got so discouraged with politics that I just been out the scene. My D is probably somebody I really would have knew about, really would have been into. I just. I just been trying to, like, yo, stay focused on your, you know, stand out the way.

[Jada]

Each his own bottle Patron.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Each his own bottle of Patron. I ain't hear that in a minute. You've been really opinion on this show. That's the first time you said he's his own bottle of Patron.

[Eric and Jeff]

Yo, you know what?

[Joe Crack the Don]

No lying.

[Eric and Jeff]

So we go up to the studio up in Yonkers. We tape every week. We talk about these movies. We never bring up politics. We never bring up, like, you know, that's good. Serious worldly issues. It is a chance to escape. We just talk about movies. We do. Is Jadakiss Italian? What, Chic? Mad about karate, man. With Styles P, we just have a lot of fun up there. And so it's. It's something different that gets to flood your timeline instead of, like, the realities of the world, you know?

[Joe Crack the Don]

How old are you, brother? How old do you think that. I'm asking you. Looking like a fucking young guy, but how old do I be? Hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 46. He might be a tweener. Yeah, yeah. This guy might be a tweener, right? This looking like a nerd over here. How old are you? I'm 41. He's 41. With a full set of heads.

[Jada]

With a full set of heads.

[Joe Crack the Don]

No.

[Eric and Jeff]

Well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you.

[Joe Crack the Don]

He's got a full. Yo, that's a big deal.

[Jada]

Like a set of knots, you know?

[Joe Crack the Don]

You always.

[Eric and Jeff]

Yeah, well, let me ask you this. Would you rather have hair or be able to dunk?

[Joe Crack the Don]

I'd rather have hair. You know, I changed my whole name. If I got here, my name would be. I be coming up here part with the. I have more spray than John Travolta. Saturday Night Fever. My be glossy. Yeah, yo, by the way, so glow, yo. Yeah, I'll be up here like, no, I'm telling you, I'd be really obnoxious.

[Eric and Jeff]

Yo.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I have hairstylists. And right now, like, right now, I'll be like, cut for a sec. If I come, then, like, yo, slice his out. I give him the finger waves. I come up here with the finger waves.

[Jada]

That'll buckle me.

[Joe Crack the Don]

You with finger waves. I'll do it.

[Jada]

Down, dog.

[Joe Crack the Don]

I'll do it. The other day, I'm in traffic on the fdr. I looked to the side, this girl had the finger words. I said, man, now that's real dedication. I fucking dedicate. That's. I was under the fucking beauty salon.

[Eric and Jeff]

Yo, shout out to Pecos. He never misses a chance to put up a throwback picture of him with hair up on Instagram.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yo, bro, look, with him, I had hair. I looked like the Brady, yo. Yo, no, I look like the Brady Bunch. Back in the day when I was a kid, I had real fucking hair. Nobody believed me till I bust them bitches out. It was like, God damn, this guy was. This guy was the Brady Bunch. But what was the last straw? The truth is. Happy birthday, Big Pun. It's Big Pun's birthday today. Big Pun.

[Jada]

Happy birthday, my boy Stunner.

[Joe Crack the Don]

All my friends call me Stun. And so with Big Pun, he had hair, right? So I always had a Caesar since I was like 14. The thing was, for me, when I was a kid, the gangsters had a bald head. When I first cut my hair bald, my father chased me around the projects four times trying to beat my ass. Cause he knew the cut automatically meant, I'm down with a gang, I'm tough, something. It was no way around it. When I had hair like a Brady Bunch, and then I had the baldy. My father was outside enough to know this means he wants to be a piece of shit in life. So my father chased me around the block four times trying to fuck me up. So I always had it like that. And then I started telling Pun, yo, you know, I got hair. Like I still thought I did. I said, I got hair like the Brady Bunch. My like, you think you got hair? I got. If I grow this, forget it. My shit be like yours. He was like your ain't growing. Like I said, I promise. I said, you know what? I'mma get braids for you. I'mma do braids. Watch me get the braids. Like, AI, shit like that, man, I try to grow that. That was un. That shit was the thinnest hair in the world. I never forget. We went to a Knick game, I had, like, some little rubber bands on the little head that was growing. That nigga Punk killed me on that. He's like, yo, Nick, you ain't got to wear this. This bullshit. And that's when I realized I had no hair. And so I said, man, take it off. There's no more Brady Bunch. You know what I'm saying, for me. But I wish I had hair. I'm not gonna lie. That's one of the things I wish I. Huh? Yeah. Go to Turkey. Go to Turkey. Yeah. I don't know if Turkey. I've had no hair. I've had no hair for so long. I have no hair for so long, they. It'll feel weird to even get hair right. If I went to Turkey. Go get the curl.

[Eric and Jeff]

What if you got, like, a little thing in the back? Carlos Boozer.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Yeah. Listen, guys, I ain't the one way. I ain't doing asshole shit. I'm telling you that if I went to Turkey and my shit goofy black full flooded would be the return of a cg. My shit. Alejandro is in the building. Whoo. Alejandro Roas, you remember Fat Joe.

[Jada]

What's up with this? Giants coach fired.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Well, they ain't never win a game, huh? You like that move, huh? Hell, it is.

[Jada]

Just out of it.

[Joe Crack the Don]

All right, let me ask you a question, right? Being that you said that at the jets game, on the field was Max B. Yeah. Welcome home.

[Eric and Jeff]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Come home bigger.

[Joe Crack the Don]

Val, have you ever in your life seen a dude do 18 years in jail? Come out, go to the fuel of the jets and Louis Vuitton. It's down to the fanny pack now. Let's keep it up.

[Jada]

He did shit.

[Joe Crack the Don]

He came out of jail. They was throwing ice on his neck. Louis Vuitton down like, yo, come on, man. We can't. And the thing is, I don't know if he was in the time capsule. Gained a little weight in 18 years, but he looked like Big Eval. No, I never seen nobody look like they preserved him. He might have been in the Michael Jackson in there, the fucking machine, because he came out just. It was 18 years, 16. When you see him and you see how he's moving. He went to the after party last night. He looked like Max B. Like the guy. Last time I saw him, 16 years ago, he was in a club in Manhattan looking the same way, and he dead. Nice I don't think he fell off. I think Big Avell gonna come with all them flows and all that. I'm really watching that. The Max B wave, because he's the waveguard. I'm trying to explain it to my daughter, explain it to my family. I say, yo, this guy, the Wave. What do you mean, he's the Wave? He's the Wave God. Like, remember that nigga be on the DVDs. Like, I'm gorgeous, I'm fly. Look at my head, it's Max B. The King. So now Max B goes. He comes out of jail. French is there. He says, we're going to Morocco. Let's get to the business. He in the studio same day. That's Max B. Like, I mean, how do you go from. All right. Now, my thing is, Lori, police. Close your ears with this one. I ain't do 18 years in jail. But what I do know is that all my friends in jail tell me stories how the police just fucked with them, rode them, told them they wasn't shit. They had a cop who went in Remy's cell for seven years straight talking about, you ain't shit. Ain't nobody waiting for you. This is what they do. They try to make you feel less or whatever. Suppose that cop in Max B's life who was fucking with her, who thought he wouldn't come home to nothing. And there's a Jets fan, he tuned into the game. And Max B was on that court. Not much of a cock smuggler, that nigga felt like that correction officer. He felt like the biggest dick you ever seen in your life. A smoking piece of shit. I remember Remy. They took Remy. Listen, they took Remy to the last drop. Remy was on parole. She was on tv. They knew she was rich all the way up, was number one in the country. They wasn't giving her permission to do shows. They was fucking with Remy. She ended up with an ankle bracelet. They watching on tv. Black love this. This dad number one in the country, this. And they was with Remy to the point. I never forget, man. She had to go so they could cut her off to take her off parole. I came up, pulled up, I was in the. The Drop Top Rolls Royce was the. The damn. I had that. What's it, you know, the Drop Top Rolls Royce with the black and the red. I had it for that summer. And I pull up, and when I tell you, if they had 20 parole officers in the building, all 20 of them was outside. She wasn't even their client or not. They was out there. We pull the fuck up. Cut the shit off, man. Fuck all you niggas. Suck my dick. Fuck all you niggas out here. They all lined up. I'm violating. These niggas so crazy. Fuck y'. All. Y' all know what? Y' all did this. They came to the last drop. Ask Remy. When we bring Remy on the show. They stood in front of that building to the last drop. My, if it was 11:59, they could fuck with her. They fucked with her to 1159. She went up in there, the whole precinct, the whole. Every probation officer that had nothing to do with her was outside like it was their day came out. We cursed these niggas out. We jumped in the drive top, we pulled off out of you. I keep it to myself, but I got a problem with authority and all that shit, you know what I'm saying? Cops want to talk to you like you ain't shit. You less of a man. You ain't never going to be this rich as me, man. Don't play yourself, man. Like, be clear about this. Just give me the ticket. I want the ticket. I want the ticket. You ain't got to scold me and scream at me in front of my wife, in front of my family and talk to me like, yo, bro, you not on this level and you know it, buddy. But you gotta stop. Give me the ticket, buddy. Give me the ticket. Yo, this kid, let me tell you something. I ended with this. I think I said this before. It's a young Puerto Rican kid. He can't be older than 23, 24. I go through the midtown tunnel, the queen side. And for some reason, an easy pass don't work. I pull over, he comes up. It's like three of them. Own license, registration. I give him my license. My license is Florida. I lived in Florida for 23 years. He goes, oh, hell, no. Supposed to be New York, this, that. I don't know what this nigga was talking about, right? So he over there about 10 minutes discussing it with them. I guess they telling him, yo, it's fact. Yo, let him go. You know he ain't. So he come back, I said, my nigga, the ticket or let me go. I ain't got no real rap for you. I'm not going back and forth with you. And you know your father had a poster of me on his walk violating right now. All right, Mr. Joe, let me go. I'm not playing that shit with these niggas, but these niggas. You gotta be fucking kidding me. This ain't that. That Ain't this cracking? Kiss, God damn it, y'.

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