Joe and Jada - Hitmaka on Yung Berg name change, Pharrell & Kanye, WILD rap industry stories

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd — Joe and Jada

Guest: Hitmaka (formerly Yung Berg)

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Herd (Joe and Jada edition) centers around a candid, wide-ranging conversation with producer Hitmaka (formerly known as Yung Berg). Fat Joe and Jada, as hosts, delve into Hitmaka’s transformation from artist to producer, his industry relationships, lessons from legends like Pharrell and Kanye, and the realities (and wild stories) of success and survival in hip-hop. The episode is both a celebration and a deep-dive—a masterclass in the rap business, creativity, and keeping it real.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hitmaka's Grind and Studio Ethic

• Hitmaka is praised as the “walking, talking cheat code” of hip-hop, known for his relentless studio work and ability to conjure hits on demand.
  • Hitmaka: "When you come see me, you come get a hit. I don’t play beats. I’m playing you a smash. You fill in the blanks. ...They pay me like 50 grand a record, man." [05:58]
• Fat Joe emphasizes that true artists can’t cheat the game and must put in “that pain, that passion.”
  • Fat Joe: "In this game, it ain’t no cheating. ...You gotta go in that studio, you gotta let your life out." [05:00]

2. Numbers and Idols: A Producer's Resume

• Hitmaka reflects on his staggering stats: 350+ million sold, 18 number ones at radio, and 27 billion streams.
  • Hitmaka: "350/Something million. I got 18 number ones at radio, 27 billion streams..." [06:49]
• His producer idols: Jermaine Dupri, Kanye (from Chicago), No I.D., Timbaland, Pharrell.
  • Hitmaka: "I never worked with Pharrell yet...He made ‘Happy’ in one of the rooms I work in all the time." [07:11]

3. Industry Stories: Cold Spells, Competition, and Comebacks

• Fat Joe recounts witnessing even legends like Timbaland and Pharrell go “cold” before bouncing back, highlighting the cyclical nature of fame.
  • Fat Joe: "I watched the same thing happen to Pharrell in Miami. When he got cold...now this guy’s running Louis Vuitton." [07:39]
• On competition vs. beef:
  • Hitmaka: "I think you started beef with me and Khaled right then...It’s competition, but you get cut from the family tree when it comes to producing." [10:08]

4. Transitioning and Reinvention: From Yung Berg to Hitmaka

• The vibe shifts into Hitmaka’s personal reinvention—Rico Love suggested the name change, and Fat Joe’s initial reaction (“Who the fuck is Christian? That’s Yung Berg!”).
  • Hitmaka: "Rico Love was actually the person who made me change my name to Hitmaka." [31:14]

5. Rap Industry Real Talk: Pay, Independence, and Living Large

• They discuss the realities of money, with Fat Joe extolling the benefits of going independent, investing in his own image, and spending $400k on music videos to project success.
  • Fat Joe: "You have to look like nothing changed. ...Niggas go independent, start shooting in front of the bodega...that’s not me." [48:15]
• Fat Joe and Hitmaka also share the downsides—blowing fortunes, falling off, and the necessity for long-term investments.
  • Fat Joe: "I went broke three, four times in my life. Like dead broke." [74:45]

6. Changing the Game For Others: Artist Development & Mentorship

• Hitmaka is passionate about providing new platforms—signing Dream Doll, executive producing new artists, and returning to a label role to lead artist development.
  • Hitmaka: "Every producer that’s watching this, go inside the building, take that step, and do what I’m about to do." [89:02]
• Professional “Life Changer”:
  • Hitmaka: "I ain’t a producer no more. I’m a professional life changer." [35:22]

7. Transparency and Virality in the Social Media Era

• Hitmaka addresses his viral “body count” clip from a Cam Newton interview (“Set me up with that...I just met you an hour ago, Cam. Why you need to know all my bodies?”) [14:01]

8. Fashion, Flexing, and the Meaning of Success

• The hosts have fun discussing their style, extravagant spending, and out-flexing other artists.
  • Fat Joe: "I am knocking you guys silly. ...The way I’m shitting on him." [66:12]
  • Questioning the budget for fits/jewelry and competitiveness it inspires.

9. Health, Sacrifices, and Staying Grounded

• Fat Joe shares details about his diabetes, the advantages of Ozempic, and the struggle to balance health, family, and maintaining energy for the lifestyle.
  • Fat Joe: "I have diabetes...Ozempic regulates that shit like a computer all week long." [38:45]
  • Hitmaka: "The Ozempic should stop the glizzies, though." [38:11]

10. Wild & Memorable Industry Stories

• Memories of Fat Joe’s pool parties, how "Lean Back" and other tracks paralyzed the rap scene, getting R. Kelly and others on records, and seeing rap-fame cycles.
  • Fat Joe: "Lean Back...they played that shit about 30 times in a row. ...That lifestyle paralyzed the streets." [58:51]
• Jada, Fat Joe and Hitmaka each reflect on that "nobody’s touching me" moment in their careers.

11. Closing Out: Legacy and Reflection

• Hitmaka announces he’s heading back into a label A&R role (but doesn’t name where just yet), encouraging industry peers to do the same for the future.
  • Hitmaka: "I’m going back inside the building...When you get somebody like myself...it’s necessary and needed." [89:02]
• Celebration: Hitmaka sells a portion of his catalog, Ty Dolla $ign’s new album drops, and Jada/guest Ry’s new single premieres.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Hitmaka on his studio game:
  "I’m the walking, talking cheat code. ...It’s the alley oop of all alley oops when you come see me." [05:58]

• Fat Joe on being competitive and loyal:
  "In this industry of fakers and vultures...one guy I can say who’s really loyal—the one and only Hitmaka." [03:43]

• On industry cold streaks and comebacks:
  "I watched the same thing happen to Pharrell in Miami. ...Now this guy’s running fucking Louis Vuitton, biggest guy." — Fat Joe [07:39]

• On the Yung Berg to Hitmaka transition:
  "Rico Love said, 'What do you think about changing your name?' ...He was actually the person who made me change my name." — Hitmaka [31:14]

• Fat Joe on financial independence:
  "I never not won in my whole career. ...I invested in myself. I never took an L. Thank God." [47:47]

• On mentorship and artist development:
  "Every producer that’s watching, go inside the building, take that step, and do what I’m about to do. ...It’s not about job security." — Hitmaka [89:02]

• Fat Joe on his humble beginnings and hunger:
  "Don’t tell me about this poor ever in your life...That’s why I give you the pain. That’s why you caught the vapors." [68:06]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:55 | Show starts, Hitmaka introduced | | 05:00 | The hit-making process and industry “cheat codes” | | 06:49 | Hitmaka shares his sales/streaming stats | | 07:11 | Idols and never working with Pharrell | | 09:22 | Khaled, studio competitiveness, and big party stories | | 13:13 | The formula for hit-making and staying competitive | | 31:14 | Ric Love’s advice and the name change story | | 35:22 | Hitmaka’s artist signing news (Dream Doll) / professional “life changer” quote | | 48:15 | The reality of going independent and staying fly | | 58:51 | "Lean Back," pool parties, and paralyzing the game | | 74:45 | The roller-coaster of money, going broke and bouncing back | | 83:26 | Reflecting on “peak” moments in their careers | | 86:25 | Hitmaka on selling a portion of his catalog | | 89:02 | Hitmaka announces going back label-side/A&R role | | 91:08 | Introduction & performance from project Ry (with Jada) | | 95:52 | End-of-show brags: radio dominance, reflection |

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Tone & Style

The conversation is lively, braggadocious, and packed with “inside baseball” on the rap game, but always with a sense of humility and gratitude for survival and sustained relevance. Fat Joe, Jada, and Hitmaka juggle comedy, advice, and realness, trading wild stories and industry game.

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For New Listeners

If you’re a fan of hip-hop, entrepreneurship, or just want to hear successful artists “talk their talk” with no filter, this episode serves a heavy dose of both bravado and practical wisdom. The episode is especially insightful for music creators or anyone curious about the business side of music, as well as those who love wild behind-the-scenes stories from the rap world.

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Guest and Host Socials

• Fat Joe: @fatjoe
• Jadakiss: @therealkiss
• Hitmaka: @hitmaka

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For the complete experience—including the premiere of new music and more off-the-cuff stories—listen to the full episode wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

He is TS by the way, for sure. And he's protected by the Almighty. I'mma be honest with you.

[Jada]

See where he came out.

[Fat Joe]

Why you want me to do he.

[Jada]

Would never made it to DS without duas.

[Fat Joe]

Ooh, thank yo, what up y'?

[Hitmaker]

All?

[Fat Joe]

This your boy Joe Crack the Dawn.

[Jada]

It's your boy Jada. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic, and we never not deliver. Speaking of delivery, our next guest, I knew him for years, since he living in Miami now. I knew him since he was a jit. How they say now, man, I watched him, you know what I mean? He was part of my family. He's still a part of my family. Then he grew on and do his own things. Ever since then, he just been collecting plaques, collecting diamonds, buying property, buying Rolls Royces. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for my man, Hit Maker. Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

Get it.

[Hitmaker]

Damn.

[Fat Joe]

Somebody I could say, in this industry of fakers and vultures and pieces of shits, one guy I could say who's really loyal, don't get mistaken by him. You know, every interview, he bound to say some shit today, right? Every interview, he go crazy. You might think he just talks shit, but this man is a loyal guy. The one and only Hit Maker.

[Hitmaker]

Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Hit, let me tell you something. You know when I'm sitting there and I'm looking at all them diamonds and shit? No, I never told you. But I be watching you because you know I got serious collections. And I see you, man, if I got a watch nobody could get, that's cost a house in Atlanta, he pull up a month later and be like, yo, a new one. Every shit, every watch, he'll bust that bitch out. Be like, yeah, yeah, I'm taking this flattery, but I'm also happy that I see my brother come up and do what he like to do. The problem I got with Hitmaker.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, shit.

[Fat Joe]

Problem. I'm on your side, okay? I'm flag already. I'm on your side.

[Jada]

Get ready.

[Fat Joe]

But in this game, it ain't no cheating the game.

[Hitmaker]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And some artists think they could cheat the game. You gotta go in that studio, you gotta let your life out. You gotta put in that pain, that passion. You don't know how many artists, some of yo call Hit Maker for me, he gonna give me a hit. Like, you come across that, right? Everybody who sit down think you giving them a free hit, right?

[Hitmaker]

For sure, for sure. I mean, ain't nothing free, my brother. Only for y'. All.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? What I mean is, they don't want to put in that pain. Stay in that studio night and day. Don't change your clothes. This, this, this. That's how I'm accustomed to making hits, for sure. You locked yourself in six months. And you in there every day, and you don't come out. You don't give a fuck. The most you do is watch a game. You come out with some hits. I've heard more than 20 different artists that I respect and I know, tell me, yo, I'm gonna just go see Hitmaker and get a hit. They think it's like that.

[Hitmaker]

It is like that, though. I'm the walking, talking cheat code. Like, I go to the studio, I give BB hell at Circle House six days a week. I go there and work until I can't work no more, until I'm ready to drive home. And then the reality is, when you come see me, you come get a hit. I don't play beats. I'm playing you a smash. You fill in the blanks. You go do what you need to do. It's the alley oop of all alley oops when you come see me. So that's why people be like, I've heard executives say, like, man, like, you ain't no real A and R. You just sent your artist to Hitmaker. He did all the A and R shit for you. He got the feature on the song. He got the hook. He got this shit already done. Like, what did you do? But, I mean, that's why they pay me like 50 grand a record, man.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something, man. I watch it. You come up and, man, it's a beautiful thing to see. How many records sold now?

[Hitmaker]

350/Something million. I got 18 number ones at radio, 27 billion streams, something like that. I don't know.

[Fat Joe]

The only guy I've seen with numbers like that is Jermaine Dupree.

[Hitmaker]

One of my idols. I love him.

[Fat Joe]

Who are your idols in doing this, man?

[Hitmaker]

J.D. as far as producers, only J.D. kanye, of course, because I'm from Chicago, no ID. Damn. I guess Timbaland, Pharrell round that out top five. I never worked with Pharrell yet. That's gonna be interesting when you finally have. No, that's gonna be interesting. He made happy in one of the rooms in Circle House that I work in all the time. I'm like, yo, I'm still trying to get that happy. You know what I'm saying? That was a different type of record.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna tell you some crazy shit, right? This is crazy. Cause I love both of them. And they both beyond historical producers. Cause we talking producers. You know, I was there when Timbaland went cold and Scott Storch was right next door, had cheese lines down the block. LL Cool J, this one and that one. Whoever was hot was online Cause Scott Storch and Timbo was sitting in the front of the studio and looking. All the rappers act like he wasn't Timbo the King. I watched the same thing happen to Pharrell in Miami. When he got cold, I used to go there. He used to be like, yo, Joe, come tell me stories. He has all these stories that I tell on here ahead of time. He knew I was the story king. Yo, tell me your stories. I'm sitting with them when they cold. Now this guy's running fucking Louis Vuitton biggest guy. Happy this, this, that. But I remember Timbo. He wasn't mad at Scott Storch. He'd just be like, don't worry. I'm coming with some shit. I'm coming. And then that boy cracked that coat. I'm bringing sexy back. Yeah, yeah. Yo, he got. I'm not your mommy, Mommy, mommy. Boy, him and that Danger Hand.

[Hitmaker]

Yes, sir. Salute.

[Fat Joe]

Changed the whole fucking sound. And I'm guilty because, you know, I've been around a long time. Deja Hands came one time at DJ Khaled's studio in the house and played me some beats. They were too futuristic for me at the time, and I was just like, you know. And, boy, he turned into Danger Hands.

[Hitmaker]

Yo, I. Yo, can I tell you a story?

[Fat Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Hitmaker]

I think that one New Year's Eve, after we did that record, I think that you. Cause you know, I'm Tsunami to the death of me. You know what I'm saying? I'm mad. I ain't got my TS chain here, too. I should have brought it. But I think, yo, this. This man Joe did some shit that was so insane. It was me. It was at DJ Khaled's New Year's Eve party. You invited me. I came with you. It was me, you, Diddy, and Khaled. And this nigga Joe was like, there's Diddy, there's DJ Khaled, and now it's It Maker. And you said that shit. I'm like, damn, that was just like, one of the biggest compliments ever. I think you started beef with me and Khaled right then there at his house, too.

[Fat Joe]

Well, he don't have no beef with you.

[Hitmaker]

He can't but his brother.

[Fat Joe]

But what I'm saying to you is.

[Hitmaker]

The competition, but you get cut from.

[Fat Joe]

The family tree when it comes to producing and making hits. So I've been a guy that whether I make a dollar with you or not, I'm true to the culture. So if I said that, I meant that you Know, And I'm just letting them know, like, yo, he's coming from that family tree of hit makers, you know, and, you know, respect the kid. The kid coming up. Be on the lookout for him. And that's what I probably did. But beef with Khaled. Khaled's. He has no beef with you.

[Hitmaker]

No, no. I'm talking about competitive. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no. Everybody's competitive in this game. Everybody think the best. We just had Wale right there. You didn't hear him, but he said he's the best. Very quietly, he was like, yo, I'm.

[Jada]

He said he's in the top rapper talk of. That's what he said.

[Hitmaker]

Of all time.

[Jada]

No.

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Jada]

He just said I'm in top rap. He was playing some new music and he said, I'm in that top rapper talk. Shouldn't feel like that playing this new project.

[Fat Joe]

That's why I didn't.

[Jada]

And I heard it. Just let it.

[Hitmaker]

You ain't feel no way when he said it. Cause it's top five that are alive.

[Jada]

I don't.

[Fat Joe]

No, no.

[Jada]

My shit. His shit is in cement. My shit's in cement.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out. My man and my man. Stevie Jackson, man, I seen him take a picture. They had a fucking George Floyd statue. George Floyd's bigger than the building. And Steve, you know, he NBA. He looked like a midget.

[Hitmaker]

Damn.

[Fat Joe]

I mean. And that. That was his brother. This guy statued up for sure. Like, we. He don't take none of the guys that gotta. They actually gonna make him taller in the statue. You know, we not worri. But the man did mumble that shit under his breath.

[Jada]

He's supposed to feel. That's what you're supposed to do.

[Fat Joe]

I guess we all feel that way.

[Jada]

If you don't. You in the. You, you know, you should see it.

[Hitmaker]

I don't think nobody fucking with me. And, like, I could prove it. I love talking that shit. Nobody's fucking with me. Nobody has more hits in their phone than me right now. I will out. There's not a producer walking this planet.

[Jada]

Earth right now being one for my son.

[Hitmaker]

Of course, bro. Yo, listen, who you want? Leon Thomas. Who do you want on the hook? I mean, what if it's here, it's done, it's in my phone right now.

[Fat Joe]

Adverse.

[Jada]

Yeah. See what I'm saying? See, the producers, y' all get a lot of Y'. All. Y' all dealing with different finances. So y' all don't.

[Fat Joe]

Y'. All.

[Jada]

Y' all competitive nature stays just that and y' all see each other buying helicopters and doing. I mean, but coming from the rapid is a different thing. But your formula, though, over the past fucking. I don't know how much years, about 10 years. Yeah. You've been hitting them out the park consecutively. And I don't know how that's making people fit. It should make anybody feel good because it used to be a lot of doors to go to when you making a project. You can be like, yo, that was. The window is closing, man.

[Hitmaker]

They gotta feel good about this shit. Because in reality, bro, like, I'm still. I'm Iceberg, I'm Youngberg. It's just. I'm Hitmix. Like, people don't know the long form of my career. Like, they got to see it in real time. Like, I'm literally like, people will be like, I was the nigga that DMX used to go sick on. N Like, yo, go, go get em. I remember rapping with Cassidy and being at Powerhouse while you cutting records and being around PK and Swizz beats. Like, I got that type of career. And then I became Youngberg on my own thing. Now I'm just like a heavy stepper as hitmaker. Like, I ain't gonna lie. Like, it's hit. Like, talk this shit astronomical type of different things. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

I watch interviews, and you talk about chicks, you smash this, this. Yo, you really are transparent out here.

[Hitmaker]

I don't lie. I can't lie.

[Jada]

It speaks very clear.

[Hitmaker]

And it's on the Internet that I smashed these girls. So when I'm supposed to be in it, if Cam Newton asked me some bullshit, and he set me up with that. And y' all know that interview was done eight months ago. Somebody just recycled that clip and made that shit go viral again. But they set me up with that. Like, we did the whole interview, and then at the end, he like, we want to play a game show. And it was almost like, who have you fucked? Like, the game show. It should have been the title of it. And Rapid Fire names, names. If y' all look at the clip, I was kind of uncomfortable when he was asking me, but I'm just like, I just met you an hour ago, Cam. Why you need to know all my bodies?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, man, that man can't he one of them traitors. Like, he's one of those. He hit chicks, too. So I don't mean in that way. I mean, like, he one of them guys. He feel he hit mad chicks.

[Hitmaker]

So he. He was trying to make sure I ain't hitting none of his work. That's really what it was.

[Fat Joe]

That's exactly what it.

[Jada]

You could save that for off camera, though.

[Fat Joe]

Got a hat. Yo, I could have saved that off camera, right?

[Jada]

Yeah, you rather than Max. You that off the game. Yeah.

[Hitmaker]

I ain't know where it was going because I'm gonna be honest. Yo, it did feel lame. Like, I. I'm not a kiss and tail type dude.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Hitmaker]

I mean, it's fucked up. Like, that's what the people want. Like, they want to know all your business. They want to know what you ate for breakfast this morning. They want to know how many Diet Cokes you done had. And it's a 2:30. They want to know everything, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they do. And we hope they happy for us. You know what I'm saying? Cause we out here. What people don't realize is that our jobs is a service. Service to people, to the people. We making the people happy. You went out to Virginia, you bodied that shit. But you know how many people in the crowd? You're their favorite rapper. You made them happy, they went home happy. You provide music to this, yo, that's my song, you know? And we're just providing a service. I always say, the people don't like you. That's you. You cut so many records with so many singers, with so many reference artists that never made it as big as they should because they talented. But what they don't realize is the people gotta like you.

[Hitmaker]

Facts.

[Fat Joe]

And that's the crazy part of it. You know what I mean? But they, you know, we hope everybody's happy for us because we share our lives with, you know. Tonight I'm getting an award at the Hip Hop Museum.

[Jada]

You and somebody else, right?

[Fat Joe]

I don't know.

[Jada]

I seen it. I think I got invited.

[Fat Joe]

You should come through. Eat some lobster and steak and shit.

[Hitmaker]

Yo.

[Fat Joe]

And then, you know, it's like, is.

[Hitmaker]

It Tiffany, Ace of Spades there?

[Fat Joe]

Nah, it's Tiffany, Ace of Spade. That's all we do. We live a fucking life. I go over my Amex belt, shit. Disrespectful. Just restaurants.

[Hitmaker]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Put you out the business. Yo, I called them 92 rappers. If they saw my Amex bill.

[Hitmaker]

Unbelievable.

[Fat Joe]

What? They will commit suicide. They'll pass out raises and be like, all right, everybody together.

[Hitmaker]

I know you're filthy. Cause I called. No, no, no, look, I called Joe Crack. I'm begging him. Yo, I got some heat on for you. I got some heat to the side for you. He like hitmaker. I'M in Dubai trying to live a life, man. I'm like, this nigga just over skipped all the way over the record. He like, you know what happens?

[Fat Joe]

Hit, make it is when you get as old as me. Okay, I'm gonna give you my beginning of the speech. There's a new. You know, I'm very. I'm very into God and religion in my relationship with the man. But I've got a new prayer that starts my prayer every morning. God, thank you for my eyes that I'm able to see. God, thank you for my nose that I can smell. Thank you for my mouth that I could eat and I could talk. These simple things right here. If you think about how important that shit is that he gives us the opportunity to get up another day, it's out of control. So I'm at, you know, recipes. D' Angelo, rest in peace. The man was Coc Diesel. I've been fat my whole life. I'm keeping it a buck. No, no, I'm just saying to you, it's like, yo, I gotta appreciate every day. I'm at the point where when I wake up in the morning, I peek to see the sun and be like, oh, God.

[Hitmaker]

Yo, I'm a fan of this show. Coc Diesel is one of them. You can't say that no more.

[Fat Joe]

Cock Diesel is.

[Hitmaker]

And you love this head flagrant, yo. You love that. You love it so much. Pause.

[Fat Joe]

You too, huh? Yo, shit, this show is like fucking Eddie Murphy, Beverly Hills Cop, it's one of them. Sits with my partner, shits on me every day. It's unbelievable. You know, now you got people said, Jadakiss don't even believe him. That's why he throws the face. He throws it like you got a little going on out there. Were you giving the suckers some content? You know what I mean? Cause we got blood. Well, you could do another one. We got blood suckers. They hold to his own. They whole is based. Based off what we talking about.

[Hitmaker]

True.

[Fat Joe]

And so that's how I know how we drive in the culture is when you got other guys like, okay, what Jadakiss say, have anything sound like kiss to sign right here. It's the same way in the podcast. I watch guys wait till a new podcast come and they fake think they lit and they go on right about what we say and they got a problem with it or they agree or they whatever. And so we giving them. We feeding them content. You know what I'm saying? So it is what it is, brother. The flags. It's okay. You know, I know what I'm doing. I'm into getting money.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, we know.

[Fat Joe]

A whole lot of money. I'm not even going to lie to you guys. And so we in this podcast game. Motherfucker came out of jail. Fabio Foreigner said, no, save the records hit maker. I'm a stream. Streaming. He told you podcast. No, no, I'm not saying that. But he said they asked him, him. He came out of jail. I don't know if you've seen that little video clip. And they said, you go in the studio. No, I'm streaming. I'm streaming. It got to be a reason. That's where the bag's at. The podcast, the streaming. That's where the bag's at. So if you see me in it, you may laugh. And I'm here to entertain you. I told you, we provide a service, but just laughs. That Glizzy Talk is going to turn into so many M's. And I'm gonna say thank you for loving the Glizzy Talk. Thank you.

[Hitmaker]

Joe gonna be the spokesperson for Oscar Meyer. Like, I will smart the chat.

[Fat Joe]

Get on to brats. Yo, but I'm true. I'm. Listen, bro, I'm true to what I say. You say, cap, I went to the Yankee game the other day. I mean, Glizzies. Oh, three. The guy next to me is eating steak, lobster, crab, clam. You know, the Yankees, they got some shit. They got like a club. You've been in there, right? Steak, lobster, this, this, this. I'm glizzy mania. Little mustard. I don't give a fuck.

[Jada]

Little mustard. Yo.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, a little mustard. We going to the awards later. My wife tried to cook me all type of shit when we had it. Yes, it might just give me a couple of glizzies, man. I'll be all right. Then we'll go to award show. Maybe we eat something over there. I don't give a fuck.

[Hitmaker]

Is it nostalgic? Like, what is it with the. I don't even want to say that word.

[Fat Joe]

How about, I'm not phobic. Stayed away from. Hold on. That is. Yo, how about I'm not phobic, you know, I'm cool with some gay guys. That's, like, really gay.

[Hitmaker]

Okay, okay.

[Fat Joe]

ATL's finest. And I'm in the Essence Fest. I don't know no better. I'm in the golf cart. I see my man, Ms. Lawrence. I'm like, yo, Lawrence, I jump. These guys are like, you know, they holding up the flag in another level. His friends are looking like Yo, Fat Joe the gangster rapper jumping off the I don't give a fuck if you my brother and I love you. I don't give a fuck for sure. So I'm jumping off the car. Yo, Lawrence, what's up? Yeah, yo, I don't give a. If I say glizzy, I know who I am as a man. I don't, I don't care about none of that. None of that bothered me, man.

[Hitmaker]

Certain just don't sound right though. So like I feel you like I know you older say I'm done with the Pause gang, the Paul's Police and all the other. But like that, that certain stuff don't sound right.

[Fat Joe]

Certain sound crazy.

[Hitmaker]

Sounds unbelievable. Believe you see the flags? They out.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they out.

[Jada]

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[Jada]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

All I know is what I've been told and that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

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[Jada]

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[Fat Joe]

They literally made me say that I.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

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[Fat Joe]

They made me say that I poured.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

Gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

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[Fat Joe]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

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[Jada]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein and on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart.

[Fat Joe]

How can 101-year-old woman fall in love again?

[Jada]

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at.

[Fat Joe]

Him and said, this isn't a joke.

[Jada]

And he got down and I remember feeling kind of a surge of like.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, this is power.

[Jada]

Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother tried to solve my problems through hypnotism.

[Fat Joe]

We could give you a whole brand.

[Hitmaker]

New thing where you're like, super charming all the time, Being more able to.

[Fat Joe]

Look people in the eye, not always hide behind a microphone.

[Jada]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Fat Joe]

Fox.

[Michael Lewis]

Or wherever audiobooks are sold.

[Hitmaker]

Let me tell y' all a crazy story. Joe Crack Story, right?

[Fat Joe]

Or crazy.

[Hitmaker]

No, no, no, no. Never, Never. So I remember I was like in a weird spot in my career, like, trying to figure out how I'm feeling, like. Cause the whole time when I was young, Bird, I was producing all my records too. Like, people don't know that, but I was like, man, and I was in a weird spot. Rico Love was on fuego at the time. And so Rico Love, I hit him on Twitter in a dm and he like, yo, come meet me at the London Hotel in la. I'm in la. I went up to the London hotel and we having breakfast. And like, he on Big Boy shit. Three phones going jumping at the same time. He remind me of me right now. I'm like, golly, like, this nigga's insane. So as we eating breakfast, I thought this was like a super, like, wow move. Not like that. But he was like, yo, what do you think about changing your name? And I'm like, huh? I'm like, nigga, I'm young, bro. I'm more famous than Rico Love. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he said that to me, and I was just like, maybe I'll consider that. He like, yo come to Miami. And he works out the room I work out of now in Circle House. He like, yo, come to Miami. Just vibe with me for a little bit. I came down there. So I walk in the Circle House and I think Joe and Rico are doing a record called Aloha. Some shit like that or whatever. The nigga Rico Love said fat Joe, he said, joe, meet my friend Christian. Joe said, n. That's Youngberg.

[Fat Joe]

Who the fuck is Christian? I'm like, yo.

[Hitmaker]

But like, that was the evolving. And Rico Love was actually the person who made me change my name to Hitmaker.

[Jada]

That's it. Wow.

[Fat Joe]

That's. You know, Rico's my brother. Still love him to this day. He was a little arrogant at that time.

[Hitmaker]

He was.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, he was. He was like cocky as fuck. Like, you know, I walk out the room with artists and they be like, yo, this cocky. Like, yo, but he gonna give you the hit. You know, my shit, it reminds me of. Well, Rico Love, my brother. I love you, man. God bless it. Remind me of the night we cut. Yes, he had the song. But you just. You came in the studio. This guy was so drunk, bro. Listen to me, man. And he. He made it a hit. The way he was chopping it up. This, this, this. So everybody came out, was like, yo, Joe, the guy spilling champagne on the board. Them boards cost a. He's spilling champagne. He outta control. This, this. I said, yo, listen, he's a hit maker. Let this man do whatever he got. Yeah, the motherfucker you. That night you was on your Rick James shit. Yeah, for real. And I was just like telling everybody, yo, just let him do what he gotta do. Sure enough, that was the last hit I dropped. Yes, we got a plaque for that shit. And it was cool.

[Hitmaker]

And Dre's studio. And you are loyal to Kool and Dre. So the fact that you even let me touched the record while we was there was like a real thing. And I was wilding school and Dre Studio too.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not gonna lie to you. You're one guy that didn't grow up with us. That he is TS by the way. And he's protected by the Almighty. I'm gonna be honest with you.

[Jada]

See where he came out.

[Fat Joe]

Why you want me to do.

[Jada]

He would never made it to DS without du Rs. Thank you.

[Fat Joe]

You okay? What I'm saying is TS. TS know how to hate on each other. They never hate on this guy. Every time I'm working on a project, he said, yo, Dre be like, yo, you saw Hit Maker. I swear to God. Now, there's other producers that I'm cool with and all that. They be like, yo, Joe, we do that. Yo, Joe, we. This, this, this. They never devalue. He. They always like, yo, go see that.

[Jada]

He started off getting the hate. I think right now it's undeniable. They. They can't do that. He stands in. They know when you come from seeing him, the next stop is the charge.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but you gotta spit the right to it, and you gotta do everything. Oh, no.

[Jada]

Yeah. You can't just go there and not know how to do nothing and ask a knocking beat with a great hook with nothing.

[Fat Joe]

Only rappers told me, yo, all I.

[Jada]

Gotta do is go see Hitman.

[Fat Joe]

I say, I swear to God, I've heard this out the mouth. Y' all gonna see Hitmaker like, man, you better put that pain in. You better make sure that pen is right. You better make sure you. You appreciate what you got. You know somebody I seen you work with who I love, and I've watched her career from day one. She from the Bronx, too. I think she could be a superstar's dream dog.

[Hitmaker]

Wow. Shout out to Dream.

[Fat Joe]

She could be a super. I've been waiting for it.

[Hitmaker]

Well, I signed Dream Dog Cats out the bag or whatever. Yeah, yeah. We got a new project that's done. It's completed. We dropping an EP first. So we dropping an EP first, top of the year. And when I tell you, my brother, she's better than a lot of these girls, like this music that we have. Oh, my God. And she has crazy features. The work is done. Project's done. And I brought back the nostalgia, like, for the ep. We got some shit, nigga. I put Clue all over it.

[Fat Joe]

Cluminati.

[Hitmaker]

Like, it's like on some real New York shit. I flipped all the right New York records. Trust me, my brother, she's out of here.

[Fat Joe]

She going, that's what she needed then. Because I watched her, I didn't even understand it. Like, I watched her career the whole time. I'm saying, yo, this girl should be number one. And it's all a matter of linking up with the right producer who got the passion at the right time. Seen in your studio. I was like, all right, he giving us some shit now. She gotta deliver. That's it.

[Hitmaker]

You say she delivered, then that's overly delivered. I ain't a producer no more. I'm a professional life changer. And that's really what I'm not going by. It's too many producers out There. So when you come see me, gonna owe me a gift, brother.

[Fat Joe]

You know, when the dog let me take this off. Nah, you making it sound like you. Like I need to be seeing what's in the pot over there. Cause the man talking to you.

[Hitmaker]

You know what's beautiful? It's only an ox quarter.

[Fat Joe]

All my friends, I like this. Tell them all I love it.

[Hitmaker]

I got the. I got the gifts, man. I'm coming.

[Jada]

I start Diet Pepsi.

[Hitmaker]

Yo, you. You Ozempic or Diet Pepsi this year for Halloween.

[Fat Joe]

Ozempic. I'm Ozempic. Every Halloween, I'm Ozempic. I might go with Govey. You know what? I got a problem. I'm going to talk about this because we talking about the world. They announced, right? I'm in la. They announced that Costco. Listen clear guys, because we are the voice of the streets and the culture. Costco now sells Ozempic half the price to anybody who don't have insurance.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, wow.

[Jada]

Go over the couch.

[Fat Joe]

It's not true. I went to the Costco in LA to buy some Ozempic because I left my shit back in Jersey. And they said that's few places out the curtain. There's some bullshit. It was all over cnn, all over the news, all over. Costco is selling Ozempic half price over the counter. You don't even need insurance. I walked into Costco, Louisiana. Y' all saw a me.

[Jada]

Yeah, I saw me. They didn't have it.

[Fat Joe]

They didn't. They. They was like, no, you need a prescription. No, we don't do that in this Costco. That's false advertisement, Guys. Get on your shit.

[Jada]

You ever to get some?

[Fat Joe]

No, I had to come back home and freshen up.

[Hitmaker]

Yo, he said he ain't want the stepped on Ozempic. He ain't want the pure.

[Fat Joe]

You want the three Fat Joes or you want the one Fat Joe? Another thing I do, as soon as I go out the country, CU over here, Ozempic cost 1200. Whoa, right? With insurance and everything. When I go to Dubai, Santo Domingo, Wherever it costs $320. That's the wildest shit. How could an American product you buy.

[Jada]

Course you could buy this. The Domingo and all of them.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I buy it, you ship it back. Five, ten thousand dollars worth of zipping. I'm not selling it, guys. It's for me and whoever needs it. Somebody ran out of Ozempic, they come to my house. We tossed my supply.

[Hitmaker]

Yo, bro, I'm surprised.

[Fat Joe]

The Ozempic keep everybody sturdy.

[Hitmaker]

Yo, the Ozempic should stop the glizzies, though.

[Jada]

How you still got the craving for.

[Hitmaker]

Glitz and you on the zempy.

[Fat Joe]

What I'm trying to tell you is.

[Jada]

They gotta make glizzy simply.

[Fat Joe]

There's levels to it, man. I got it. It's levels to it. But what I'm saying is, you know, you got. I am Ozempic for Halloween once again. You know, that's. That's my outfit.

[Hitmaker]

What does it do, though? It just make you not want to eat as much. First of all, I have diabetes, okay?

[Fat Joe]

But I've had it since I'm 12 years old, okay? Right. So now I've been taking insulin for many, many years. Insulin, you know, you take it daily and it, you know, your pancreas, if we want to get technical, don't let out enough to. To cover your sugar. So you need insulin to make sure, you know. But they invented an Ozempic that does it once a week. You don't have to take that shit. That was pretty horrible, taking insulin twice a day, right? And that's the only way to regulate the sugar, otherwise you die. So a lot of people that we see that just die. They don't admit to themselves that they're diabetic and they don't take the medicine. And sooner or later, that shit gets real and they find all kind of kidney failure, distances, whatever. Ozempic regulates that shit like a computer all week long. So if you eat too much, it'll bring down to the normal sugar. If you eat too less, it'll bring it to the normal sugar. It's insane. Oh, shit. The technology in Ozempic, I'm not going to lie to you, you is AI type shit. It's insane. We've been waiting for that. And so it's also the side effect of Ozempic is you lose weight. I don't think they made it. They made it for diabetes, but it curbs your appetite to where you lose weight. So a lot of people started taking it for diabetes. And then, you know, you got the sexy. Women want to stay sexy. They like whack, whack. They hit. They. This ain't even the needle. It's the smallest. And you could be scared of needles, and still this ain't nothing. Boom, you good for the week. You don't know how many people, like I said, when they come to my house, they could get a bottle of Caymus Opus 1 or a month's supply of Ozempic on side. Whatever y' all want to do. You know what I'M saying, they came to my house yesterday. So you know my wife, her best friend, Mary J. Blige. Course all you, Chrissy, Jim Jones, all of them. They come. I call them the Four Musketeers. Yesterday, I'm home all day. They came in about 9:30. I thought they was about to start drinking. Turning up the music to Four in the Morning. I'm sitting there like that. They must have seen Grumpy Joe. They was like, all right, we out. We outta here. We're going to the next stop. I was like, this time I'm not telling stories. I'm sitting on the couch like, I don't know if I want to do this tonight. Four in the morning. My walls also shout out, vitaly, My house is pretty spectacular. But the one complaint I would have if I built enough, I built my house from scratch. If I had to build another house I make, I didn't say nothing. I'll make the wall sticker like, you know, straight concrete where you can't hear shit in every room, right? Sometimes they torture me. We got the super system around every room in the house. And they start. I want to thank you that about 4 in the morning. I'm sitting up there like, there. I gotta take a flight. Six in the morning. I'm tired as. Like this. It's just me and the dog. You know, the dog's the best friend America male's best friend.

[Hitmaker]

That's Biz Markey. That's the dog Bismarck died.

[Fat Joe]

Damn, we got enough. We got a dog called Bear.

[Jada]

Okay, Barrington, you had this dog called Bismarck.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Bismarcky. And so we got him for my daughter dog Bismarcky, because that's one of my favorite. But anyway, the way I got it was my daughter. I never forget. My daughter was like 3 years old. And I bought her the dog. And I said, baby, what's his name? And she said, you know, like your friend Silly Bismarckie. So she named the. As he named him Bismarckie. And at that time, Bismarck, he was popping on the Cartoon Network, Yo Gabba Gabba. He was Yo Gabba Gabba to her. She was like. Like your friend Silly Bismarck. E. Shout out to Biz Mark E. Another super producer. Biz Mark is a going off. Biz was crazy out there. What's some new project that you working on? Whose life you changing now?

[Hitmaker]

Everybody shit on Friday. On Friday. Ty$sign's new album drop. I got probably like four or five records on there on Friday. My artist Ronnie, who's sitting over there, his project comes out. It's Called. Let me explain. He's amazing. This guy is like, I want to.

[Fat Joe]

Spinking's brothers. You do look like Yokin. I know, like the Spinking family, right? You look like them, right?

[Hitmaker]

He from Long Island. I know they be talking crazy about Long Island. I don't know why we big him up here, but the guy is amazing. He's an incredible writer, just someone that I linked up with. And he's an incredible artist. And man, we've been working together for a year. He's won a Grammy already, professional Life Changer, Top 10 Records. He's on everybody's shit. You know how long this nigga been making records? There just to link with a nigga and you get a Grammy off you? Not even.

[Jada]

That's crazy.

[Hitmaker]

You gotta lock in, you know, I mean, Chris Brown, Ty, Dollar Sign, all my people that I'm. That I'm building up with. Tink, Ronnie, Toy Ann, everybody that's in house. And then as far as just like everybody that I'm working with. I mean, whoever got an album coming out, I'm on it for the rest of the year. I said A week ago 50 songs was coming out before the end of the year. Seven came out on Friday, 21 will come out and then we'll press it again next Friday.

[Fat Joe]

You know I need that pain. Damn, I got you. No, no, but I'm new album with no hits.

[Hitmaker]

Wait, what?

[Fat Joe]

With no hits, no comprision pain, just bars, just. You got to give me that. I don't hunt you back. I got it like that, you know what I'm saying? Just that straight.

[Jada]

I just want a couple. I just need one hit and my son need one.

[Hitmaker]

I got the one with Leon Thomas for you already on deck. And then J Juan, I told him to come Miami already.

[Fat Joe]

Ain't no more.

[Jada]

I'm out of it.

[Fat Joe]

This show has become. This show has become a solicit. This guy, he might as well be called Pistol Pete. Anybody come sit on that couch. He's like, yo, you gave what a hit.

[Jada]

It's fine. Time to j the Kiss. I'm using this job to do my other job.

[Hitmaker]

Most definitely me and Kiss had a hit with this record called needsha best featuring ty$sign2def jam, drop.

[Jada]

Covid dropped the ball. Covid fucked it up. I ain't worried because I already, when I come to, when I get next.

[Hitmaker]

To you, this is my brother.

[Jada]

Green is a genius.

[Fat Joe]

You want to know what happened to me? You know, I was signed to a record label, I put out a record, then I thought. I didn't think so. Similar to you, I'm not a producer, but I make hits. Oh, we know monsters. And so the way I was taught was like, yo, Joe, you're getting a one shot deal. If it ain't a hit, you ain't going to the next single. You ain't. This, this. They kept it real with that. So I trained my ears to almost think like a program director that I knew this was gonna play all day. Long story short, I did a song with Young Jeezy. Slow down, son.

[Hitmaker]

You killing him with the sample.

[Fat Joe]

Get here. Ha ha.

[Jada]

That was that shit.

[Fat Joe]

Play. There's another way, you know, Played it one time. Everybody and their mother who had my number called me a Mike Kaiser. This one. Welcome back, Joe. Like, they was giving me the. This was already a number one. Like they heard it one time on the radio. Was like. That's when they call you? Yeah, Joe, this is. They felt like it was a lean back. The shit ain't do shit, right? We shot the video Harlem Diddy on the. He was on the hood of the fucking Rolls Royce. We went crazy. And I said, you know what? It's the last time I'm gonna sit at a desk looking at some so called boss, asking them if they put. Did you press the button? Did you put money? Did you. I knew they ain't put money behind that because that shit would have been out of here. That's when I took power into my own hand and said, from now on, I'm independent.

[Hitmaker]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

And I put up my own money. And I pay for my videos, I pay for my radio, I pay for my samples, I pay for everything and I win. I never been off the green. I never not won in my whole career. Now I got records on Atlantic Records, where I sold 2 million albums.

[Jada]

You still.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, damn.

[Fat Joe]

I got albums I put out a hundred thousand, shout out to Ghazi. You changed my life. Empire Records, I got albums I put out, sold a hundred, a hundred thousand. And I made 3,4 million on that shit. So that is the one record that got me. I will never forget. I'm actually embarrassed to myself for sitting on the other side of the desk begging these dudes, is they gonna promote my record? Is they gonna spend money?

[Jada]

Damn. Well, they was.

[Fat Joe]

I invested in myself. I never took an L. Thank God.

[Hitmaker]

Can I ask you a question? This is a money conversation. Cause you've said independent, right?

[Fat Joe]

Right.

[Hitmaker]

How much are you spending on these videos? Because you have the most extravagant videos. Yo, bro, when y' all did family Ties album. You know, these niggas shut down Rest in peace. Irv Gotti, they shut down club live. I'm like, how expensive is this? Like, and it wasn't like early daytime, it was like nighttime. And they had the whole club live.

[Fat Joe]

This is for you. Okay? So you can hear me out, right? Cause if you feel like you in a situation with Def Jam, that they don't really give a fuck about you, or they got new people, what, just say, you are Jadakiss. You are the brand. You are hit maker. I am. Fat Joe James is a customer of hip hop. He does not. Look, if I'm on Busby Records or llc, he's buying the new Fat Joe album, right? This is where we gotta get that fucked up like that they think that it's a label that sold something. No. Now, I understood that and I said, I'm gonna go independent. And one thing I really gotta do do is make sure that the Fat Joe image stays up. So I. You're correct. I spent $400,000 on videos. Shut down the lift, the ceiling, come down the fucking mansions that this because you have to look like nothing changed. That was my whole philosophy. It don't. You know, niggas, they go independent, they start shooting in front of the bodega and the baseball park and it's over. This man went from, from. From million dollar videos to crackhead videos. They know something's wrong here. You gotta act like the pure still there. The cut is there. I understood that. And I pray to God that I made the right choice for investing in my career. You did, you know, and. And so that was the whole point for me with going independent, making sure, you know, I looked at a video the other day, I see and shout out to Irv Gotti wrestling. Because, you know, he was such a genius at doing what you do. He was a genius.

[Hitmaker]

One of my idols.

[Fat Joe]

And this guy, he was my go to for the video at Irving. Nothing cheap was 300, 400,000 he'd be in the. The day of the video, be like, need another hundred, Joe. They charging for this and this and that. Irv don't know cheap.

[Hitmaker]

And he think like everybody, he was burning a budget.

[Fat Joe]

But it was me. It ain't no.

[Hitmaker]

It was no budget.

[Fat Joe]

So I gotta pay this shit. All I know is what I've been told. And that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker a journal and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Podcast Host (PayPal Ad)]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Jada]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From Lava For Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go go in order to find someone to blame.

[Fat Joe]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcast Podcasts.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplified their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tameka never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one mission. Save our girl. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of hair into New York from Asia.

[Hitmaker]

We had 30 agents ready to go.

[Fat Joe]

With shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[Fat Joe]

Basically your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said, yes.

[Hitmaker]

They go, oh, you may not see.

[Fat Joe]

Her for like 25 years.

[Michael Lewis]

Cotton.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

Between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[Fat Joe]

Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Michael Lewis]

Michael Lewis here. My book the Big Short tells the story of the buildup and birth of the US housing market back in 2000. It follows a few unlikely but lucky people who saw the real estate market for the black hole it would become and eventually made billions of dollars from that perception. It was like feeding the monster, said Eisman. We fed the monster until it blew up. The monster was exploding. Yet on the streets of Manhattan, there was no sign anything important had just happened. Now, 15 years after the Big Short's original release release, and a decade after it became an Academy Award winning movie, I've recorded an audiobook edition for the very first time. The Big Short story, what it means when people start betting against the market and who really pays for an unchecked financial system is as relevant today as it's ever been, offering invaluable insight into the current economy and also today's politics. Get the Big Short now at Pushkin F FM audiobooks or wherever audiobooks are sold.

[Fat Joe]

Man, I watched this video I got called Deep the other day.

[Hitmaker]

I remember that one.

[Fat Joe]

That was crazy. I just felt like, yo, let me watch that Deep. What about the video?

[Jada]

You was in the swimming pool with the minkle.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, that's the weed thugging.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, man, you get in the pool with a mink. We was blowing money fast. You see this man? How many diamonds he got? He don't give a fuck. He said that level, you know what I'm saying? When you, when you feel like you number one, you know what? You know how number one that record was? Let me tell you something. R. Kelly only rocked before that with Biggie. Damn, not Jay Z. Yet. When I caught that feature, I want to say maybe Nas, when he had that shit in Chicago, that was incredible. But nobody. He was number one. He was the greatest thing ever created in the history of mankind. We did that song together. There is no doubt in my mind. I had a smoker. It was unbelievable. I couldn't believe the man even knew who I was. When he was like, yo, Fat Joe, what's up? Let's rock. I thought he was feeling. And at that time, I. I was really. The guns was rusty. I was really in them streets heavy. And I was like, yo, my man, do me a favor, don't lie to me. Let's say you Doing a record with me, and I'm coming down. Nah, nah. Joe.

[Hitmaker]

Come.

[Fat Joe]

The point is, the man gave me here. Never forget. You know, we started Memorial Weekend in Miami Beach. Started it. I was the promoter. If y' all didn't know Jadakiss and Cameo. Ask Met Club Mansion. I had everybody. Young Jeezy Club Mansion, fabulous in this. I was the promoter, right? Fat Joe was the promoter. Shout out. Butterfuko. I threw every. Every year. Memorial Weekend, I threw a Terror Squad pool party.

[Jada]

Those was crazy.

[Fat Joe]

One day, all of them was mine. You didn't know. So I throw a Fat Joe pool party. I never forget. Cam was there, Fab was there. AI was there. Everybody.

[Hitmaker]

Every.

[Fat Joe]

We threw the illest pool party. And I told the dj Press play. And that came on, man. We dug and rolling on dubs. And I look at every rapper's face and that said Fat Joe. When I'm at it again. They don't. You was there.

[Jada]

That came.

[Fat Joe]

They rang off.

[Jada]

I was there.

[Fat Joe]

You know what that was like that title book wave? I was like. Like you. You get when you throwing that dice and you throw them trips. I was there. I looked at every rapper's face and they said, holy shit. Cause before that, I was underground, right? So they was like, holy shit. This guy made one of these. And they didn't know what's Love was coming right after that. And that lifestyle paralyzed the streets. I got you on that remix. So, you know, people try to forget when. When dudes had shit paralyz here in these streets. This shit. There's a couple of times Fat Joe had the game paralyzed that. Lean back. I stood in the club and I'm looking at Fab on the couch. And Kid me not. They played that shit about 30 times in a row. No other record. Bam, Bam, Bam, bam. And I'm looking at Fab and Fab looking at me like, Jesus Christ. They gave him one of those. They gave.

[Jada]

Speaking.

[Hitmaker]

Speaking of Fab, tell him to drop the record with Bryson Tiller. That's another professional life changer.

[Fat Joe]

Bryson tiller just 15 million. His first single. Don't he. I know.

[Hitmaker]

He record for R B. Unbelievable.

[Fat Joe]

The guy don't even want to take a picture, huh? Not don't.

[Hitmaker]

No. Not don't. He ain't wrong. He wrote one on the last album with me or whatever.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, I was there when he wrote that. You know, My man Governor. Him. I was there. Like I'm. I'd seen the process. So. But he sold 15 million.

[Hitmaker]

That's unbelievable.

[Fat Joe]

On that one song. He Broke a record or whatever the case may be. The thing I don't understand is you. You work on your shit, you come in town, yo, let me do the number one podcast. This guy don't want to. He. He's like almost.

[Jada]

That kind of helps. That helps him.

[Hitmaker]

Like it's mystique, right?

[Jada]

That helps his mystique. But I mean, it works for some people.

[Fat Joe]

He might be the last guy. Frank O', sheep, right?

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Right.

[Hitmaker]

Nigga, if I sell 15 million on my first single, I might not want to talk to nobody either. I'm surprised the nigga talked to me. And he giving me features.

[Fat Joe]

What the fuck? You know? What's crazy is, man, I watched his come up literally from the infancy. How about he never changed on me, man. The guy's the same guy.

[Hitmaker]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? And when we did that record, oh my God, I had a damn. I did. Yeah. I don't think nobody could ever get Bryson tiller on a 24 hour radius. I got him like, yo, I'm putting this out tomorrow and I need the verse. And this guy, he don't want it. He went in there and did it for.

[Hitmaker]

What's that? Hands on you, right?

[Fat Joe]

Hands on you.

[Hitmaker]

That's a mean joint, bro. I ain't gonna lie.

[Fat Joe]

You was drunk at that video too.

[Hitmaker]

I had to be.

[Fat Joe]

We were at Liv. I gotta save you every time we was at Liv.

[Hitmaker]

When I was supposed to be sober, I was supposed to be sober at Liv.

[Fat Joe]

Do you know how many times I told dudes, how many times. And I'm not. Not saying nothing, but how many times you said some crazy shit to dudes? And I said, yo, you with us? And they like, oh, Joe, I know, I know. I said, nah, you.

[Hitmaker]

I'm under that umbrella.

[Podcast Host (PayPal Ad)]

For real.

[Fat Joe]

You know, the craziest shit is when you got some. Not you. I've had a situation where somebody came to me to tell me how he was gonna do something to one of. One of the global ambassadors under the umbrella. And this guy's a serious. This guy who's telling me this is a serious guy. Once he finishes, I tell him, well, what you want me to do? Be with us? Do I watch this guy's eyes open up like a fucking raccoon? He looked at me, he said, huh? I said, he with us?

[Hitmaker]

What you gonna do, man? I got a real question. Can I ask a real question? What is the stylist budget for this shit? You know what I'm saying? Cause I know to relish. Is he putting Things because y' all are snapping like this.

[Fat Joe]

He got Danny and he.

[Hitmaker]

Dude, there's a new watch on this man wrist almost every episode. You two as well. Like, it was watch. Match the fit, match the whip, match the bars, man.

[Fat Joe]

It was like.

[Hitmaker]

It's one of them, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Jada, how you keeping up the budget? Because it ain't what we're making on the show. We just said spending more. We spending more than we making. We just like. We're gonna put our foot in they ass out there because. Cause if you. I'm like you. Y' all hit maker. If you had a podcast, it's like, yo hit. We get an opportunity to shit on dudes every day. Gevon chi. You know what I'm saying? Gucci shit watches, you know, fucking Kobe shits. You ain't seen these shits in 20 years. I get to talk shit.

[Hitmaker]

Wow.

[Fat Joe]

Come up in here, shit on these dudes every day.

[Hitmaker]

It's unbelievable. It's refreshing.

[Fat Joe]

It's unbelievable.

[Jada]

See you a real one for noticing. They noticing, but they don't.

[Fat Joe]

They hating us. They hating. Well, they better hate some more, bro.

[Hitmaker]

Y', all.

[Fat Joe]

I just told him it's getting chilly out here. I just told jacket season.

[Jada]

Y' all better.

[Hitmaker]

You coming. You coming. Minced up.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, listen, ugly is four seasons, baby. I dare you. I dare you. Try. Try to stunt. Yeah, it's four seasons. I dare you. It's gonna be times I come on this podcast. That's gonna be unconsciousable. Just enjoy it.

[Hitmaker]

That's a flat unconscious, boy.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What was that meaning?

[Jada]

He got the meaning to.

[Fat Joe]

I'm dumbing out. I'm coming up in there with that you never seen in your life when you want to first fur. There's two difference from rabbit fur and a sable. No, there's difference from a lot of these.

[Jada]

Listen, a lot of rappers out here.

[Fat Joe]

Wearing studies that you dry your feet in the bathroom with. Study the blueprint. I am not playing with you.

[Hitmaker]

So this ain't no Daniel's leather, right? There's some different I with Daniel shout out.

[Jada]

It's even at level. It's levels at Daniel.

[Fat Joe]

No, I gotta be. Yeah, it's levels.

[Jada]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

By the pink and black chinchilla from them. I with Daniel's love.

[Hitmaker]

Pink and black chinchilla.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. See, last year, I went like an to the game.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, I do remember that fur hat.

[Fat Joe]

The maxed it pink chinchilla. I went like an to the game. Adam Sandler was looking like, yo, is wrong with this mermaid. I come up in There asshole. Yo, yo, you ain't the only in the game.

[Hitmaker]

I learned from the best clips.

[Fat Joe]

I show up in there with the. I said, I went to Switzerland. I said, yo. I said, yo, you know, remember they started wearing the hats last year? Okay, whatever them hats is. What is them hats? The snow hats. I see, yo, why they call them? Because they asshole hats. They like, you know, you acting up, right? So I said, dad, Yo, Daniel Love, I was in Switzerland and I seen what was going on. I said, remember that pink chinchilla I boyfriend? He said, yeah, by. By the way. Shout out. My shout out. My sister, Stephanie Mills, the living legend. Her going, you know we went viral with that clip. You see me hit him with the Euro. They are the Eurole. Two times sent around with that Louis that was paid. I don't how much y' all want me to do, right? Baguette. So I got Stephanie Mills one of them chinchillas too. The pink and black shit. Just cause I love her.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, wow.

[Fat Joe]

Cause of what she do for the game. So I turned around, I got the jacket and I said, yo, you see these asshole hats they wearing? I sent them to Daniels, now Reese's. Yes. Yo, I said, can you make them in the pink and black chinchilla? I went to the Knicks game straight asshole. You know how much courage you gotta have to walk and see what's my man from Back to the Future, Michael J.

[Hitmaker]

Fox.

[Fat Joe]

Michael J. Fox. And dap him and be like, yo, what's up with the asshole shit on. I've been killing you niggas in the fashion game. I've been slaying you. We are not the same. If you're wearing a free Def Jam T shirt with some shit. Oh, I know how to put bullshit. I've been killing you niggas in the game. Destroying y' all on every level. Now, if you're a hard worker, they fat phobic, huh? If you're a hard worker. Yeah, that's it. If you're a hard worker, right? If you're a hard worker and you can't afford some of the expensive shit and you go to Zara and all that. I'm saluting respect. I see some guys that I knew from the Rucker days that I want the Queen of Harlem shit. And they still got a nice sweatsuit on, some clean sneakers. Nice. Rollie, I respect you and salute you. I'm not trying to play you because I might have a little more money than you, but I'm talking about whoever think they're lying. You Know every time they come up. Yo, by the way, Fat Joe kind of fresh. This Bottega, this navy blue Jivon Chi with the watch the match. I am knocking you guys silly. Like, lie to yourself if you want. I don't know why they don't want to lie. Like, this is a no brainer. The way I'm shitting on him. The Knicks got a game against Cleveland. Don't come. Yo, if you enter your fashion shit.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, shit.

[Fat Joe]

If you enter your. There's a please come. But if you into your fashion shit don't come. It's gonna be unconscious.

[Hitmaker]

Oh, the fit already laid out fit.

[Fat Joe]

Disrespectful. Is actually my wife is mad at me. Cause it's on the dinner defined dinner table. The jacket, the jeans is there, the boots is there. It's waiting for you. Mary J came in my house yesterday. She seen that shit. She said, damn, Joe, what you. I said, listen, Mary.

[Jada]

Listen, Mary.

[Fat Joe]

I said this. I have, I got. Yo, I grew up.

[Jada]

I said, listen, Mary, listen.

[Fat Joe]

I grew up. Shit poor. I watched my mother at welfare asking the people from section 8 to please give her some money so she could feed her kids. Kids sneakers. Them shits came three years after they was this style. You cannot tell me nothing about rice and eggs for dinner. I had to wipe my ass with newspaper, throw it under the water when it was too hot outside. We sleep on the floor because we had no ac. Don't tell me about this poor ever in your life. And you niggas laughed at me. And that's why I give you the pain. That's why you caught the vapors. And you. And let me tell you something. You gonna catch this shit till I'm in the casket.

[Hitmaker]

Most def.

[Fat Joe]

And guess what? I'm gonna leave enough money for my family to finish it off.

[Jada]

We gonna keep that.

[Fat Joe]

They gonna keep that.

[Hitmaker]

Now your daughter stepper too. Listen, you gonna pass it down.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, it's gonna be pain out here in these streets with these Cartagena. This to the last one. Because we not playing with y', all, man. They try to, you know. They try to write us off. They try to finish us. You know how many times I had to come back? I seen somebody who said this the other day. I think it was Swiss. He said, you're not official till you make it, then fall off five times and then come back. And that. That's the guys we rate.

[Hitmaker]

I respect that.

[Fat Joe]

How many times that happened to us?

[Hitmaker]

For sure.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something, son. I got a $10 million deal. Shout out wild reef Tulo that we talking to. And it's unbelievable, right? I went to the bank. You want some asshole shit?

[Hitmaker]

Please.

[Fat Joe]

I went to the bank every single day for $50,000 cash. Had 50 guys with me. 30 of them have paid for white Cadillac trucks. Everybody, ts state lobster champagne every day. This, this, this. This discussion. They've been seeing this movie since I'm 14 here. Make out here in New York. They are not confused. They know we've been doing this shit forever, right? I go in the bank on 161 by Yankee Stadium. One day. I go up in there, hey, Mr. Joe. I say, hey, what's up, y'? All? I need 50 cash. Something's wrong with the computer or something, Mr. Joe, because it's no money in here. Oh, I walked out that bank like I had a fucking hole in my head like a dolphin. My shit was going. I don't know if you ever heard that. You ever heard the ringing? I was knocked out without the punch. I walked out of that shit. I said, we got no money, like. So I'm thinking, it just can't run out to me. $10 million, I'm thinking, it's like a fucking cloud from the sky in a bottle. I walk out of there, I tell my guys, I said, anybody. And I'm sorry, guys, because I did some foul shit. Anybody owe us a dollar. You lift them up upside down. And we did it. Swear to God, we did it to friends of ours, guys who were our friends, who owed me 10,000, 15. We left them upside down to say, yo. Niggas was calling me, like, yo, Joe. They could have just asked me, why you got me dragging. They dragging me out the. The restaurant butt naked in front of everybody. This Jojo, just ask me. I know I owe you 10 grand, man. The next day, I had maybe 250,000. Oh, you know, from people who owe me. But then I had to. You know, when you come back, back from having nothing, this is why you got to love God in the good and bad times. Because a lot of times, the ones that God loved the most, he'll put them through some so that you can. Man, I went on my knees talking about that album. I went on on my knees. Big Pun just died. I was depressed. I'm like £500. My sister died, my grandfather. Man, I prayed so hard. On my knees. I'm talking about on your knees. That's when it worked. That's when you go on your knees and you just. That's the good knees. Jesus, let me show these guys please one more time. And then he gimme what's love? We dug in and we fuck up that bag too. We fuck. I fucked up the bag about a good 3.

[Hitmaker]

How many M's you think you fucked up over your whole career?

[Fat Joe]

Whoa. At least maybe up. Look, I don't want to gasp. I don't know. This is hard. Listen, it's a lot of money, but I want to say I never had it in one lump sum, so I never been like that. You know what I'm saying? So I might have a life. 100 million or something. But it was in different times.

[Hitmaker]

You was getting bags in all eras, though. That's what's so crazy. Like, the bad.

[Jada]

He's seen all the different money changes. He been around since the little head.

[Fat Joe]

The little head I was getting. At my time, Flo Jo was number one in the country. I was getting $500 a show, crackhead money. So I would do Yonkers, White Plains, then some shit Boston come back, do Norfolk, Virginia, Fayetteville, North Carolina, D.C. come back in one day, I'm picking up 15. Like, that's how ambitious I've been about this money since I was a kid, you know, so, you know, it's not gonna. This what we do.

[Hitmaker]

That's amazing, bro.

[Fat Joe]

I'm addicted to the wind, man. Man.

[Hitmaker]

Well, for me, it's like, I'm just as ambitious, too. Cause like, I'm delusional. Cause I go to the studio with nothing every day, knowing that something's gonna come from a vibe, an energy or whatever. I do like people, creators. We're the most delusional people. We paying for the studio, we paying for the engineer, we paying. When you go there with nothing, with the hopes that at the end of the night or the next day, you're gonna wake up and play something that was worth your time. I think that we the most delusional people in the game, but we do it. Cause we love it so much. You know what I'm saying? We've seen it happen. I've went to a studio and had nothing and woke up with a number one or woke up with some different shit. So that's why I'm always, like, how you saying, like, ambitious and betting on yourself. Like, I'm always doing that shit 24 7, bro.

[Fat Joe]

We gotta do that.

[Jada]

That's fire.

[Fat Joe]

And we also gotta invest businesses and be smart.

[Jada]

Save your money, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Whenever we ain't as hot or something or whatever the case may be. Cause you know, somebody, they always come out With a new, new tv. Like I always tell everybody, the biggest, the biggest was to have a big tv. Remember the big tv, you have one of them shits. The girl ain't want to leave your house, she want to stay. She knew there was some type of money going on out here. Got the big tv. Then one day they woke up and said, flat screen. One day it went from the phone to this. So all I'm saying is we smart enough. Enough to see so many people. Like, I tell you, I went broke three, four times in my life. Like dead broke. So we smart enough now to not go broke. Invest in different businesses, invest in different things. But franchises. If you could do what Shaq did and all that, like just buy a bunch of franchises. My new thing is. And listen, guys, don't quote me literally, but my new thing is I want to buy my son a franchise. Guys, like, I want to be like something so he won't keep asking me for money. Know what I'm saying? So it'll be like, yo, some ways, take a Papa John's, take a Dunkin Donuts. That way if you hustle like me, you're able to open 2, 3, 4. You know, I tell people all the time, I say, yo, McDonald's ain't stop at one store. They just kept going in that arch everywhere. There are arches everywhere. So we gotta invest in a bunch of different things. All I know is what I've been told. And that to have truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved. Until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Podcast Host (PayPal Ad)]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Current.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, producer. And I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Jada]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Fat Joe]

They literally made me say that I.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

Took a match and struck and threw it on her.

[Fat Joe]

They made me say that I poured.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

Gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From lava. For good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Fat Joe]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people. And small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered Black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting Black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tamika never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one Mission. Save our girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered Black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Hitmaker]

We had 30 agents ready to go.

[Fat Joe]

With shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[Fat Joe]

Basically your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said yes. They go, oh, you may not see her her for like 25 years.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[Fat Joe]

Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcast podcasts.

[Hitmaker]

What's up everybody? This is snacks from the Trap Nerds podcast and we're bringing you the horror every week all October long.

[Jada]

Kicking off this month I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear inducing horror games from Resident Evil to Silent Hill. Me and Tony bringing backfire team on Left 4 Dead 2 and we just gonna be going over some of the greats.

[Fat Joe]

Also in October we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figures.

[Hitmaker]

Figure out why Black people always gotta die first. The umbral reliquary invites any and all fooling brave enough to peruse its many curiosities.

[Fat Joe]

But take it all sales are final.

[Jada]

Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly, with a full episode.

[Fat Joe]

Read and a commentary special.

[Hitmaker]

And we will cap it off with Horror Movie Battle Royale. Jason versus Freddy. Michael Myers versus the Alien Thing with the Little Tongue Monster. October. We're doing it Halloween queen style. Listen to the Trap Nurse podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Fat Joe]

The one thing I never liked was. Yo, he used to have. Yo, yo, I seen that one thing.

[Jada]

I never, like, live.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I never like liver either. Or beets.

[Hitmaker]

Me neither.

[Fat Joe]

Like, beets. The red.

[Jada]

You gotta throw some. You gotta. You gotta mix beets with something.

[Fat Joe]

They make a good beet salad now. But when I was a kid, I used to cry to the liver. I literally. Fat Joe. I ate everything you could think of. But when they would give me liver, I would cry. Like, literally cry. My father would force me to eat liver and I would cry. Like, I hated that shit. Like, literally. Literally. I was a vacuum cleaner. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

I used to sit down vacuum cleaners.

[Fat Joe]

And eat with my family. And my sisters were skinny, and they would pass me they steak or they chicken, and. And I'm killing everything. Fat Joey's eating everything. When that liver come out, they used to have to. I cry like a baby, like, I ain't want that liver. And my father was trying to teach me, yo, we ain't rich. We gonna eat whatever God gave us today. You gonna eat this liver. And I'm like, like, hated that shit. I hate liver. But I also hate. And I always salute him. But, yo, he used to have a run, yo, he used to have it. Remember, there's. There's still dudes outside talking about when they had the Mazda orange, what they used to do.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Remember when I came around somewhere in 96 and I had the Lexus 2 door? Nah, papito, this is for life. This money game is for life.

[Hitmaker]

That's why we work so hard. Scared of falling off, scared of not being able to happen.

[Fat Joe]

And that's the true meaning of working and working and working because. Because you gotta have it.

[Hitmaker]

What was the peak, like, in both of y' all career? Like, well, not career wise, but just like on some music shit. Like, what was your Rico love moment where you like, nigga, nobody's fucking with me. But what was your hit makeup moment? What was your moment to where you like, man, nobody.

[Jada]

I feel like that every day. I wake up in the morning, but in the game, I had a Few of. I had a nice. I had a few of them in the beginning and you know what I mean, in the middle.

[Fat Joe]

But when. What was the moment where you was just like, I'm that nigga, I'm Jadakiss.

[Hitmaker]

For me, it's when he put the paper towel on his head like you knew, like, nobody was fucking with him. You know what I'm saying? Like, n went paper towel this. Like, knock yourself out. Yeah, that era was incredible too. Solo Jada first solo album was incredible. I agree.

[Fat Joe]

For me, for me, it's always about the money. I want the hit, I want the fame and all that. But anytime I caught that super check like that 10 million we talking about, oh, you couldn't tell me shit. He probably saw me in clubs and all that and was like, this nigga is on cloud 10,000. Cause I had the army, you know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

Now they just gave you the bread to make it complete bread.

[Fat Joe]

And so what's so crazy is. Is, you know, I used to stick people up. Two time felon. Like, I did this. No, no, no. It's a difference between me. I hear a lot of rappers. Yo, I was homeless, yo, I was this. I don't know about that, bro. I stuck up whoever you thought was the biggest. I lined them up. I hustled out this. I'm not the guy. I'm gonna get the bag, right? So when they give you the check and the guy who gives you a $10 million check takes the train afterwards and say, bye, fellas. Gets on the train and now you like, yes, I got it. I feel sorry for anybody who knew me because I always think that I'm humble, but I definitely was not humble at that time. I definitely, probably was walking past people I knew my whole life like that dude. Smash him. Like, you know. No, no, Yo, I'm telling you, I definitely was violating dudes on another. Another. Another level of excellence. You took a guy who's just a stone cold criminal, dangerous, dealt with violence his whole life and gave him 10 million. I'm walking in the club smacking the shit out of kingpins, guys that are really killing people in the. Huh. Yo, this is one. God, the whole cheekbone. Get the fuck up. And the whole club is right. Like, yo, did he just do that to the guys who be pulling up in Lamborghinis and Ferraris and I was overdoing it. You gave the wrong person a bunch of money at the wrong time.

[Jada]

Yo, when did you feel like that?

[Hitmaker]

Twice. The most recent one is probably When I sold my catalog or whatever. If we talk about I sold a portion of my catalog. So we talk about, yeah, half of it.

[Fat Joe]

Who you did the deal with?

[Hitmaker]

I was doing it with hypnosis. And then the people. Well, Mike Karen came out of nowhere and was like, you ain't read the.

[Fat Joe]

Fine print, Mike Karen been with you since day one, huh?

[Hitmaker]

Yo, Mike, Karen signed me for like $20,000 in 2014. Like 2014. He signed me for $20,000. Unbelievable. At that moment, I look back at it and I don't hold no resentment to it because it's like I ain't had a hit stand. So it might have looked like a gamble at that moment, but to where we at now, it's like, it's incredible.

[Fat Joe]

Mike Cameron never fucked with Joe Crap.

[Hitmaker]

Never ever.

[Fat Joe]

He came in Atlantic, like after my run. This guy watched what he did for Flo Rider. He helped a lot of people for sure. Threw me a Frisbee. Never. He never throw me a Frisbee. It's a lot of that. See, so with me, I try to tell everybody we did it all on our own. Not meaning by myself individually, but our team, you see, we. We want to make some money with products. We got some Reset rum. We got rewinded. 10 Kiss Cafe. Cause nobody, when I say nobody comes to me with a bag or yo, I got these people, I got this. Yo, when I say it's Sad. It's a 30 year run of nobody coming to me with some money or some bag. I had to make it all on my own. If I want some sneakers, I gotta make up nyc. If I wanted this, I tell you, I had to invest in myself. This. Like, nobody has come with the bag for years. Let me give you another one. Maybe you, maybe you haven't. I just want you to say true or not.

[Hitmaker]

Okay, Right?

[Fat Joe]

True or false. At one time, not now, but at one time, I felt like I was on such a run that some of these labels could have came and tapped me on the shoulder and said, yo, Joe, we want to make you president of A and R, president of the lab. Because at this time, I couldn't miss with the hits. Nobody tapped me on the shoulder. Even here they got conversations with Roc Nation. Salute DEZ and Jay. And they said, you know how many times your name came up to be president of Roc Nation? And nobody called. I was waiting for the call. No, I'm telling you facts.

[Jada]

I didn't say anything. I'm just looking at this funny.

[Hitmaker]

Funny you say that. So I'm actually Going back into the building. I guess I could announce it here on Joe and Jada. I'm going back inside the building to be. To work for a building again. I took some time off because of course, I think I did four years at Atlantic and then I did two years with Empire. But when I moved to Miami and I sold my catalog, I kind of wanted to just like, enjoy myself a little bit still stay working, but not be in the building because it was getting a little frustrating just because of. With Ghazi and them being in San Francisco and then me moving to Miami. It was like a lot of disconnect or whatever. And I lived in San Francisco for. For a lot of the time during COVID up there with Ghazi and them. So when I moved to Miami, it just kind of got a little weirded out. So like, I stepped back, but now I'm going back inside the building. I won't say where, but I think it's necessary and needed, like. Cause everybody wants to complain about no artist development, no this, no that. It's just. Cause they don't respect the niggas that they want to develop them. So when you get somebody like myself, and I'm encouraging every producer that's watching this shit right now, now go inside the building, take that step, and do what I want to, what I'm about to do. Because one, it's not about job security. Huh? Did I sign it yet?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, did you sign?

[Hitmaker]

Not yet.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[Hitmaker]

But I got multiple different offers, but I think I'm going go with who I gave my word to. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

And you are, man, in your word.

[Hitmaker]

Yeah, for sure. Salute to that person. And also salute to New York, Louisiana. Gillian Wallow. Whatever. I just got them a major label deal as well too, for his daughter.

[Fat Joe]

Wallow.

[Hitmaker]

Got a major daughter? Has Gilly's daughter. Name is New York la. She's an artist. I'm executive producing her album. She's the most incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible. She's out of here.

[Fat Joe]

Let me use the bathroom before close it out.

[Hitmaker]

Say less.

[Fat Joe]

Today we celebrating to you selling your catalog.

[Hitmaker]

Most definitely.

[Fat Joe]

Selling over 350 million records and then some. Cuz. You just started.

[Hitmaker]

Started, Most definitely.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, well, you got something to say?

[Hitmaker]

Kiss you celebrating his new single, new project out Friday. Let me explain.

[Fat Joe]

Talking.

[Jada]

Tell the people what's going on. We'll do project Algo by the name of Ry. He here. Pleasure to be here.

[Fat Joe]

You got a special microphone this year. Yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

I love that, love that, love that. So project Drop, let me explain I got my single.

[Hitmaker]

I Was still on My Mind Featuring.

[Jada]

Fab it's going crazy, going crazy so yeah sup? Let's toasting, let's toast. I like life, let me explain, It's Friday, let's go, my brother, we live a life Tatt it up, waistling what's that, a tummy tuck, new lacing, she from the west end, she a beach babe I need you call soft Are you with a heat plate? You want to wave, babe, got me seasick I need you bad, baby, I'm never leaving she thinks she low so living fabulous we on the same page I guess, I guess, I guess Is shy wasting me his toxic complain Hope that you're still going through it Gave you the bag and you blew it But I spin back if we get to it Cuz, baby you still on my mind Baby, you still on my mind maybe somewhere.

[Ry (Musician)]

Still here, hard to.

[Jada]

Forget Baby, you still on mine, yeah.

[Ry (Musician)]

I ain't forget you. You've been with me whole time. I just ain't been with you. When I see you, I' ma check the body language with you and I' ma stroke you up and down. Imma paint the picture. You ever had somebody living rent free in your head? Or ever had a shorty living rent feet for the head? Think about the balcony we went deep on a ledge. Or that time that we turned a Bentley to a bed, huh? Gotta see it or you actually won't believe it. Matt, I made a video but asked me could you see it. You've been acting shy, but you actually gonna freak it. But I won't tell nobody you my nasty little secret, yeah, you still on my mind Name came up on my iPhone. You still on? Reminds me I still look at yours. Do you still look at mine? Had to slide up in a dm.

[Jada]

Baby, you still on my mind Bab, let's go. Still looking fine, too.

[Hitmaker]

Y' all don't want me to play that bomb I was talking about too, either?

[Jada]

Save me.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[Jada]

Don't do that to me. Give me something. I'm asking.

[Hitmaker]

You know this, you know, know this phone I'm working. And I got you, my brother. I got you.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, your man is incredible, man. His tone, everything about that I love. Oh, yo, Kiss. Want to jump on that?

[Podcast Host (PayPal Ad)]

And he did.

[Jada]

That was fabulous.

[Hitmaker]

Salute the kids. He jumped on this record. I don't know if I'm announcing it before her, but Angela Simmons, she got a record that's about to come out featuring Jadakiss Video done in the bag. And all that. And it's going to be very surprising for them.

[Fat Joe]

Baby, you're still on my mind. Let me tell you something about music, man. It's just so much from the heart and the soul. And even me, man, I be like, you know, one of my favorite artists of all time is Baby Face.

[Hitmaker]

Me too.

[Fat Joe]

And when I listen to that, he said, tell me where, where will you go? Tell me who. It's just. Just, you know, you've been going electrify. You go through some in your life where the music relate. Like, somebody met some chick, he ain't talk to her no more. He's like, baby, you still on my mind. And he's like, damn, I wish I could have never. You know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

He ain't leave.

[Fat Joe]

This ain't that.

[Jada]

That ain't this just crack. Kiss make some noise for our guest today.

[Hitmaker]

Yes, sir.

[Jada]

350 billion hit maker. Yeah, I mean.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, let me tell you something. I love you, brother man, you know, I went out the room. Life change. That sound dislike. The life changed. It's never I thought somebody played the record. Let me tell you something. He don't gotta go. He with us.

[Jada]

Public.

[Fat Joe]

All right, but he with us.

[Jada]

Yo, but look, but look.

[Hitmaker]

Let me say something that no producer ain't done nonsense. Oh, we talking about runs and shit like that. I still got the record for a young nigga because I don't think, like, maybe Pharrell or somebody else did it. If there's urban radio, top 40 songs at urban radio, at one moment, I had 13 of the 40. So I don't know what percentage that is, but I don't know no nigga that hogged up that type of lane in this time in the last 10 years, but me, so, so salute.

[Jada]

Salute.

[Fat Joe]

Talk about it.

[Jada]

And we gonna end it with that, you know what I mean? Till you top that, you young.

[Fat Joe]

I knew it was another glow. You said you sold your catalog. I knew there was something special about that glow.

[Hitmaker]

No, I knew it was another glow. Yo, when I moved in, my head caught that.

[Fat Joe]

When you bring out the whistle, that man.

[Hitmaker]

Yo, Joe, these joints I got for y', all, they Rolls Royce Spectra music.

[Fat Joe]

I'm promising.

[Hitmaker]

That's what I play in my spectra when I'm about to get y'.

[Fat Joe]

All. No cap.

[Maggie Freeling]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

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[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

Short on time, but big on true crime On a recent episode of the podcast Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19 year old Lachey Dungey. But she never knocked on that door. She never made it inside, and that text message would be the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to Hunting for Answers from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. I'll be talking to top researchers and clinicians and and bringing vital information about midlife women's health directly to you.

[Fat Joe]

100% of women go through menopause.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers Host)]

Even if it's natural, why should we suffer through it?

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Poynter on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Hitmaker]

What's up everybody? It's snacks from the Trapped Nerds. All October long we're bringing you the.

[Jada]

Horror Boogity boogity booty. We kicking off this month with some of my my best horror games to keep you terrified.

[Fat Joe]

Then we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figuring out.

[Hitmaker]

Why black people always die first.

[Jada]

And it's the return of Tony's horror.

[Fat Joe]

Show Side Quest, written and narrated by yours truly.

[Jada]

We'll also be doing a full episode.

[Fat Joe]

Reading with commentary and we'll cap it.

[Hitmaker]

Off with a horror movie Battle Royale. Open your free Ahar Radio app and search Trap Nerds podcast and listen now.