Joe and Jada - Jalen Rose & God Shammgod on Fab Five & NIL, Kobe Bryant, Rucker Park & ‘Meal Ticket’ doc

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd – “Joe and Jada: Jalen Rose & God Shammgod on Fab Five & NIL, Kobe Bryant, Rucker Park & ‘Meal Ticket’ Doc”

Date: March 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This special live episode brings together legendary figures from basketball and hip hop culture: Jalen Rose, God Shammgod, Fat Joe, and Jadakiss. Against the backdrop of the McDonald’s All-American Game and Jalen Rose’s ‘Meal Ticket’ documentary, the group dives deep into basketball history, the evolution of hip hop, the street-to-pro pipeline, and the new landscape of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) rights. Personal stories about Kobe Bryant, the impact of Rucker Park, the struggle for financial empowerment in both sports and music, and the inspiring possibilities for athletes and artists alike are woven throughout a lively, insightful, and at times hilarious conversation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Changing Narratives: The Fab Five, Street Legends & Media Myths

Timestamps: 02:07–07:36, 41:18–44:48

• Jalen Rose on Media Portrayal:
  • Jalen emphasizes the unfair narrative surrounding the Fab Five, stressing their intelligence and academic achievements overshadowed by negative stereotypes in the media before social media could fact-check:

    “The greatest trick that the media played on society is that the Fab Five was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan... I’m on the dean’s list. They’re treating me like I’m some dummy. And I took that personal.” (02:07, 44:29)

• Origins and Impact:
  • God Shammgod describes the hardships and inspiration born from seeing street legends like Fat Joe and Jay-Z succeed in the face of adversity, relating this to his own journey from New York’s playgrounds to the NBA and now coaching.

    "We never seen nobody from the hood, street playground legend to go to the NBA. That’s why Skip [Rafer Alston] was so special. You also go and you coach, offering hope.” (34:15–34:59)

• Heroes and Villains:
  • Shammgod reflects on the blurred lines between heroism and infamy in the hood, noting:

    “You gotta be careful who you say’s the hero and who’s the villain... I grew up with drug dealers that, when I became nice in basketball, paid my mom’s rent for two years. So do I think they’re a hero or a villain?” (35:19–36:43)

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2. Basketball Journeys and Rucker Park Oral History

Timestamps: 15:16–22:43

• From Playground to Pros:
  • Shammgod details starting basketball late after moving to Harlem, practicing obsessively, and his eventual rise to McDonald’s All-American status (“I didn’t even know what the game was… but my coach said, ‘I’ll work with you every morning if you want it bad enough.’” 18:16).
  • Vivid storytelling about Rucker Park’s atmosphere—local legends, hype, and community pride:

    “I saw Mike Boogie get on one knee and dribble through Malloy’s legs in 55th… entertainment basketball…local heroes, people instantly know you, like that’s Malloy Mason.” (21:23)

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3. The Shamgod Move: Origins, Impact, and Ownership

Timestamps: 22:54–28:05

• The Creation:
  • Shammgod explains the genesis of the “Shamgod” dribble, from mimicking New York streetballers and NBA legends, to his accidental signature moment during the NCAA tournament:

    “I was actually trying to do another move… the ball slipped… and next thing you know it went viral… one of the most humbling feelings.” (23:03–26:47)

• Cultural Value vs. Financial Reward:
  • Fat Joe’s initial response to seeing NBA stars use the move:

    “When I seen NBA players do the sham guard, I thought they jerked you. I was melt, dumb, tight.” (26:52)

  • Shammgod’s pride in legacy over money:

    “For me, it’s just one of the craziest feelings in the world because I will forever be known as one name.” (27:33)

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4. Systemic Issues in Sports and Music – NIL, Salary Caps, Streaming

Timestamps: 40:37–47:50, 50:00–56:16

• The Business of Talent:
  • Jalen Rose breaks down lasting inequalities:

    “Only sports to have salary caps are black leagues… Basketball and football. Baseball, golf, NASCAR, tennis do not.” (41:18)

  • “That’s residue of slavery—we’re going to get money off you for multiple years free.” (41:53)
• NIL Revolution:
  • Athletes benefit from NIL but the system still takes its cut; systemic barriers remain (NFL’s three-year rule, NBA’s former age limit):

    “They still don’t allow you [to go straight to the pros] so you feed the system.” (43:47)

• Streaming Parallels:
  • Discussion about how artists can sell “a billion streams but make 50 cents”—compare with NCAA “pay for play”:

    “Artists, y’all are selling product… how can I buy your album but you don’t get paid from it?” (47:02–48:42)

• Historic Lack of Knowledge Sharing:
  • Fat Joe on older music execs:

    “It wasn’t like, each one teach one. It was like, yo, play the Rubik’s Cube till you crack the code. No one, to this day, told me you can get a dollar like this.” (49:13–50:00)

  • Russell Simmons about black music ownership:

    “He’d be like, ‘you really don’t want to be asking that question.’ There’s a reason why nobody got the shit.” (51:47–51:58)

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5. Kobe Bryant Memories: Relentless Work Ethic and Legacy

Timestamps: 69:32–80:43

• Inspiration and Friendship:
  • Jalen Rose and God Shammgod recall their relationships with Kobe, emphasizing his unmatched discipline:

    “I’ll never forget… we was working out and doing our thing, and I’m thinking we done… His ass went back to the gym and didn’t tell me… did that every day.” (71:16–71:52)

  • Shammgod shares early experiences with Kobe at ABCD camp:

    “I get there like seven, he full sweating already… just learning all this stuff… He wanted to play against Jalen Rose and Jerry Stackhouse in high school back then.” (75:04–76:12)

• Kobe’s Daughter and Legacy:
  • Emotional reflection on training Kobe’s daughter Gianna and her team:

    “Every day I walked in there, ‘Coach, what we got?’ That’s why all this stuff was so, like, surreal for me.” (77:58–79:28)

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6. Ownership, Empowerment, and Generational Change

Timestamps: 52:33–56:16, 59:24–62:33

• Fat Joe & Jadakiss on Industry Lessons:
  • On being taken advantage of and learning self-sufficiency:

    “If you get jerked one time and you ain’t learning from the process… If you get taken advantage of financially, that’s on you.” (55:43–56:16)

• Parental Impact:
  • Shammgod illustrates learning resilience from his father’s struggles and striving to break cycles:

    “All the stuff he went through was an example for me not to go through… It made me not feel sorry for myself or be stuck.” (60:03–61:16)

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7. “Who’s the Greatest?” Debates & Humorous Rivalries

Timestamps: 65:03–69:13, 88:32–90:09

• MJ vs. LeBron:
  • The group debates Paul Pierce’s comments and the Jordan/LeBron GOAT conversation, with Jalen Rose unequivocally declaring:

    “There’s nobody better than Michael [Jordan]… you’re wearing his shoes and he ain’t played in 30 years. There’s a reason.” (68:24–68:43)

• Women’s Hoops:
  • On best female player, group consensus:

    “Asia Wilson.” (89:02–89:59)

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8. The Impact of McDonald's All-American Status

Timestamps: 86:01–87:31, 96:00–96:28

• Shammgod and others reflect on the McDonald’s All American honor as a true stepping stone to the NBA:

  “When you realize you’re going to the McDonald’s game, that’s the first time you realize you going to the league.” (96:00)

• 1995 class—one of the greatest:

  “Shammgod, Stephon Marbury, Paul Pierce, Antwan Jamison, Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett, Chauncey Billups…” (86:06–87:07)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jalen Rose (on salary caps and NIL):

  “The only sports to have salary caps are black leagues… that’s basketball and football.” (41:18)

• God Shammgod (on his legacy):

  “If you master something and you do it for free, one day the world will pay you for it.” (23:08) “I get to live in my inspiration every day… When a kid is 10 years old, they will learn how to do the sham guard.” (26:47)

• Fat Joe (on learning from exploitation):

  “If you get jerked one time and you ain’t learning from the process, that’s on you.” (55:43) On the music industry: “It wasn’t like, each one teach one… No one, to this day, told me you can get a dollar like this.” (49:13–50:00)

• Jadakiss (on the reality of artist relationships):

  “[People] claim to be cooler with [Biggie] than they were… They don’t got kids’ birthdays, never spoke to his kids… so that’s rocket shit right there.” (53:13–54:50)

• On Kobe’s impact:

  • “If you Google right now who was Kobe Bryant’s favorite player when he was in high school? It was me.” – Jalen Rose (71:02)
  • “He wanted to be better than Jordan… Jordan shoot 1,000 jump shots, I’m shooting 2,000 makes… This is his drive.” – God Shammgod on Kobe Bryant (76:10–76:43)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• Media Myths, Fab Five: 02:07–07:36, 41:18–44:48
• NY basketball, Rucker Park: 15:16–22:43
• Shamgod Move: 22:54–28:05
• NIL & Systemic Sports Issues: 40:37–47:50
• Music Industry Parallels: 47:02–56:16
• Kobe Bryant Stories: 69:32–80:43
• GOAT Debates: 65:03–69:13
• McDonald’s All Americans: 86:01–87:31, 96:00–96:28

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a masterclass in lived experience and cultural critique, offering unfiltered truths and camaraderie seen only when legends sit together in celebration and remembrance. Rich in humor, nostalgia, and reflection, it’s both a love letter to the game and a call for continued progress in the worlds of sport and music.

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Summary by timestamped highlights, authentic voices, and direct quotes. For anyone interested in sports, hip hop, and black excellence in America, this episode is essential listening.

Transcript

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[A]

The greatest trick that the media played on society is that the Fab Five was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan.

[B]

Like, that was who's on the honor roll. I seen that.

[A]

That was, like, the biggest trick. And we didn't have, like, social media. I couldn't say nothing. I'm, like, on the D list. Like, they're treating me like I'm some dummy.

[D]

What up, y'?

[A]

All?

[D]

I'm joe crack the dawn, your boy, jada. This is the john j.

[E]

Show.

[B]

Every show legendary. Every show iconic all star 2026. We got our brothers, God, sham, God, jalen rose. Make some noise for them. Coming from where we come from, if you love basketball, you want to. There's a lot of levels to basketball, but we all know. But being a McDonald's All American is probably one of the best things you can accomplish in your career as a high school kid.

[E]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Playing amongst all the greats. We gonna find out, gonna talk to him about the film.

[A]

We're gonna have some fun today. Is this a prop or we gonna open this at some point now.

[D]

We can open that up.

[B]

We got Ace, man.

[D]

Open that up. Is a lot to celebrate about.

[A]

So I just have to say this, because this is actually crazy. I think I'm the oldest person up here. I'm older than you. Crack.

[D]

I tell you one thing. If you older than me, you definitely using rewinded time. I bet you want a box. You said, joe, I'm not ready for that. You might as well make money off the stuff. Get high on your own supply.

[A]

I got a different.

[D]

Rewind it 10 in CBS. Sally's stop and Shop.

[A]

No, I got a. I got a plan, Joe. I got me a couple of steps that I'm going to do. Yes. I have a plan of working on beauty products. And stay tuned.

[D]

That's why I got love for you. I ain't know.

[E]

I was.

[D]

I thought you was missing out.

[A]

No, but I have to say this. I really have to say this. Like, this is, like, real spill. Like, I love you.

[D]

We love you, too.

[B]

And you.

[A]

This ain't no Hollywood, like, friendship, relationship, kinship. Like, I've been in Miami at three in the morning, and he saved my life. Real talk. Like, I have the Jadakiss bust for the hall of Fame, and he don't even have it. Cause he gave it to me. These are the only two people that I believe that have a show, that I'm on their show, and they've both been on my show.

[D]

Yeah, that's a fact, right? You know, we got jerked by Melo. I did Melo's show. He did Melo's show. That motherfucker won't come to our shit for nothing.

[B]

Curve, he's curving us.

[D]

He's curving us in the home of the Turbans.

[A]

And so to see you guys doing your show, y' all killing it, dog. And this is their first live show. Give it up for them. This is their first live show. Give it up for them. And I gotta say this about you. Like, the sham guy move in basketball is the equivalent of, like, wearing Jordans. Like, it really is. Like, that's the real thing and how you develop players. You're an incredible coach, and you've always stayed ten toes down. Like, we love you, brother.

[E]

I appreciate it. I love y' all, too, you know. You know, everybody up here, family with me. Like, Joe knew me when I was young. Me and kids practically grew up together with the Locks, children of the Corn, Mace, Cam and all of us. So me and Kiss been down, like, since 15 years old, 14 years old, knowing each other, hanging out and stuff like that. So just to see, you know, their growth. And then Joe went from being a terror to everyone to the stuff that he's doing now is amazing. And, like, Joe know, like, he the first person I hit up. People don't even know. He the first person I told that JB was going to be good for his Knicks. When he asked me, he said, hey, is Jalen gonna be good? And I was like, I don't know if the team is gonna be good, but I know Jaylen is gonna be steady and he's gonna be consistent. And my brother Jalen did way more than either one of us could imagine. So you know what I'm saying? Like, me and Joe always had a relationship. And since I was young, you know, Joe always did amazing things for the hood and stood up against people in the hood. So, like, there's always love. And like I said, Kiss is my brother Jalen Roses? What can you say about him and the Fab Five fucking legend, you know what I'm saying? So, like, he got his own thing in Detroit like I had in New York. He was in the streets and went to the NBA and did his thing and changed the whole culture, him and his Fab Five brothers.

[A]

Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. So I have a Joe and Jada question, because these are my actual brothers. Joe, I gotta ask you a question, Mr. Crack. When did you get nice?

[D]

Nice to what?

[A]

You're a nice human being now. You're thoughtful, you're intelligent, you're well dressed. Like, where did this happen?

[D]

I believe I was always a nice guy. I always had a kind heart and everything.

[A]

It's just we grew up in such

[D]

a tough environment growing up that you had to be tough because you either was predator or you was prey that refused to be prey. I was bullied a lot when I was a young kid, so I had to grow into that. And then when I got in the rap game. It was no fucking difference. I don't want to disrespect hip hop, but it was like, you meet somebody. Like, all right, I want to meet this rapper. This is my man. Two times a Mac, he did double life. Came home on an appeal. Like, you. Like, there ain't no PhDs and masters in hip hop. You just meet the craziest motherfuckers. This guy killed 46 guys. He's my new road manager. So you had no choice but to be tough in hip hop. And so, you know, the shit forced me, But I always was looking for a way to be nice and always be Be myself. And at the beginning, I ain't gonna lie to you, we was staying. If I fuck with Jadakiss, if I fuck with Fab, if I fuck with Biggie, if I fuck. We would stand in the club and stare at each other and just be like, nobody will say nothing. Like, you just look at him, you be like. He be like, hey, thank God. Now we got. We can show our personality and shit like that.

[A]

So for Jada, my other brother, and shout out to Chic Luch and Styles, pull us too. Give it up for the Locks. Like, I love seeing people wearing the shirt now the hat now, because sometimes it takes time for people to catch up. So I gotta ask you, top five DOA that's now doing podcasting and expressing yourself about the industry and current events. Like, what made you decide that this was the opportunity for you to express yourself in this space?

[D]

Great question.

[A]

Because y' all are, like, top secret. Like, the Locks are like. Like, it's all about Secret Service. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Family.

[B]

It's all about growth and evolving in the state of where the world is right now. People want to hear authentic stories from people that lived it or people that been through it, had, in fact, was supposed to do something years ago.

[A]

Shout out to the rock.

[D]

You gotta be mad as hell to

[A]

people, and your name is actually crap.

[D]

Yeah, but it wasn't crack. You know, I sold crack, but it wasn't because I stole crack.

[A]

But normally, like, he sham guy because of his handle. You're a crack.

[D]

Well, I'm crack because the crack of my ass used to show. And the girls that I'm telling you.

[A]

Hey, me too. Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.

[D]

Hold up.

[A]

I stopped cussing, like, 20 years ago. That's some BS, Joe. It's not because you stood up one time and you're cracking your ass or showing in class. That is not you.

[D]

Got that name. I'm telling you. That is not.

[A]

You're telling me, but I saw you.

[D]

That's not the. It's. Spike Lee. I caught Spike Lee on a flight to LA and I talked a hole in his head for six hours. Spike changed my life.

[A]

Do we got any more flags?

[E]

Yes.

[D]

I better re up.

[A]

Y' all might have to get TD Jakes on the show.

[D]

Like, I know.

[A]

Do you know that we know why your nickname is Crack? Do you realize this?

[D]

No. The feds is watching.

[E]

Okay?

[D]

Let me tell you. Let me tell him my bullshit story, all right?

[A]

Okay, cool.

[D]

So I convinced Spike Lee, you know, let me try out for this show. He has. She's gotta have it on Netflix. And when I went to try out, I made it. And so before I could do it. Cause, you know, Spike Lee, Mr. Pro Black, Mr. Conscious, he brought me in front of his whole staff and he made me explain why my name was Crack. I was like, you know, I'm in junior high school. I always been fat, by the way. I always been Fat Joey since birth, okay? I've never been skinny in my life. I've been Fat Joey 1 years old, 2 years old, 3 years. They always been Fat Joey. And so, you know, I would get up to go write something on the board and junior high, and the girls be like, ew, Joey Crack. So that's how I got the name Joey Crack. When I explained it, you could see the whole stage staff, Spike Lee staff was like, ah, all right.

[B]

He sold it, huh?

[D]

Yeah, sold it.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[D]

Double entendre.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay. If you want to believe that, fine. Congratulations. We love you, y'.

[D]

All. Jaylen Rosetown. Hey, K, man got the sharpest line. I gotta go to Turkey to get some shit like, you got that fucking. Can't do that shit. That shit.

[E]

A cut.

[D]

A motherfucker.

[A]

I gotta cut like that.

[D]

You catch a fucking paper cut, you fuck with that shit, I would watch that shit on tv. I say, man in there got the sharpest line I ever seen in the fucking world.

[B]

How many cuts you get a week?

[A]

So the craziest thing for public consumption is I literally just get a haircut before y' all see me. There's nothing special. Like, I knew I was going to be on Joe got a haircut today.

[D]

You cannot get rid of that barber.

[E]

Your barber elite. I won't.

[D]

The second you try.

[E]

I won't, I won't.

[D]

Let me tell you something. I say all the time, I got a prop. I have a serious problem. I'm a shopaholic what did I do now? Straight up.

[B]

I didn't say nothing.

[D]

Oh, I seen the hand movement. I'm already, like, abused. Like, I see the head go up. I'm thinking I'm getting the flag for, though. But, you know, I like shopping and shit. And I got a real big problem. And what they told me, yo, the minute you don't dress, they gonna say you fell off like a motherfucker. You better keep blowing that bag. Cause, yo, let me tell you something. You try to. So, hey, hey.

[A]

So I, I. I love y' all show. I watch y' all show each time. So I would love to ask y' all a couple of questions you've been asking us.

[D]

I don't know if you know. This is the Jalen Rose show.

[A]

No, Jones.

[B]

Jalen.

[D]

Jalen.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[E]

I got one question. I got one question. So, jj, I got one question. Cause we all grew up together. So for people that don't know, like, Jadakiss played basketball, elite shooter, still could shoot. Now, when did you say you was going from playing basketball to rapping? I know when Mason camp did it. Cause I was with him every day. But when did you go from that to rapping?

[B]

I got all the wrong letters, the wrong schools. I got letters. They just wasn't right.

[D]

In college.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, yeah,

[D]

couple times fives.

[B]

Couple D2s, couple D3s. But it wasn't cool. It wasn't happening. Like, I was all right. But you had to be. You got to know when to. When to fold them. Kenny Rogers, you gotta know when to fold them. No way. That wasn't. I'd have been a little bit taller,

[A]

a little bit faster.

[B]

I probably never would have went in the pool. But God didn't bless me with those things. So I had to. I had to figure something else out.

[D]

Well, just like a ball player for y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

You know, Yonkers is right next to the Bronx to say, Inglewood, whatever. So I heard about these guys, and

[A]

they were dumb, young, and they was

[D]

like, yo, there's these guys they call the Warlock. Just like basketball. When you hear another player, they was like, yo, these guys call the Warlocks. And I'm like, the Warlocks? It was like, yeah, they did nice. And a couple of times I drove by, they used to hang out at this gas station. So I would ride by, and I'd be like. And they be like, yeah, that's them. That's the Warlocks. And then they just blew the fuck up. You know? It's like that when you hear somebody's name. You know what's crazy is when we think of basketball, Stephon Mulberry, you know, he grew up in the projects in Coney Island. I want to know if this happened to you. He said he be outside, 10 years old, 10, dribbling in the park. And he would see like white men just standing there watching them. And he's in the middle of the hood and white men to be over there looking at him at 10 years old, 11 years old, 12. And he was like, yo, they was this scouts and they knew when I was 10 years old, I was going to the fucking league.

[E]

Yeah, because he had Stephon Mulberry. Because he had. Because he had, you know, he had three brothers that played and they didn't really make it. So they put everything in them. So that's why when anybody like arguing me about Steph, it's hard for me to really even understand the argument because like when, when I started playing basketball, I didn't start playing basketball. I moved to Harlem. So I started playing basketball late, like 11, 12. And it was so crazy. Cause me and Steph used to hang out and I'm like, this dude is the number one seventh grader in the world. And I'm like, man, I'm not even 200 in New York City. No one in the world.

[B]

In the world.

[E]

I'm like, how is he that much better than me? So then he like forced me to work out every day. And then my senior year, when we Both was in 12th grade, we both got Coldplay of the year. Then I got to number 15 in the country. You know why we here made the McDonald's or American game? And it's so funny because when I was in ninth grade, my coach was like, hey, what you wanted to do? And I was like, I want to play McDonald's or American. I didn't know what the hell I was talking about because I didn't know what the game was. And he was like, how do you think you're going to play McDonald's? You like 296 in the city in the ninth grade. And I was like, ah, nah. Then my coach told me, he was like, yo, you come here every morning? Because I went to LaSalle Academy. He was like, you come here every morning at 6 o', clock, final start at 8. He was like, I'll work you out every day. And then after school you stay two hours later and we'll work out. And he was like, you should be able to make it. And just because he said that and because I was hanging with Step every day where, like you said, I remember his pops had him running up the stairs in the project. We would go to Coney Island. His father would make him play with invisible basketball to work on his form. Like, 100 jump shots.

[D]

No, basketball.

[E]

Just shoot. Shoot and shoot and shoot it. And then, like, then he used to always tell me, man, you could do

[A]

it this and that.

[E]

And I used to be like. And then. Because my father used to train boxers, so I was already disciplined when I moved from Brooklyn, so it was just all about work. And then I dribbled so much Till, like, in 11th grade, I used to stay in the park under the lights, and I thought I could shake my shadow. So that's how I used to dribble so fast, because I used to be like, I know I can make my shadow move. I know I can make my shadow move.

[D]

So I was looking like Pookie crazy.

[A]

That's crazy.

[E]

I was looking like nuts.

[D]

Bruce Lee shit.

[E]

I was, like, walking through the thing. But my thing for, like, Joe is because I played in 55th, like, in the eighth grade and ninth grade. What made you want to start coaching in 55th? Because, you know, back then, 55th, for people that don't know, was like a movie. It was like, you come up there,

[B]

you tell them what 55th is, because you.

[E]

Yeah, 55th is Rucker Park. So, like, when I first moved up there. But people don't understand. One of the reasons. I mean, Jay Jay, the kids know. But, like, Mace is the first person that ever took me to basketball, played basketball. And that's Mace that used to rap. So he was like, hey, I'm gonna take you to this park to watch this game. And I was like, all right. You know, at this point, I never played basketball. I used to live in Brooklyn and do karate and do wrestling and all that stuff. That's when that. The white Chinese white man I used to come on the kung fu. That wasn't Chinese Kelly. Yeah, he used to walk everywhere, but he wasn't Chinese. He walk in the desert.

[D]

Jim Kelly was like a Chuck Norris. Oh, you mean the Chinese nigga that used to be walking like the Monk?

[E]

Yes. Yes. So that was. So that was like my whole thing, like, what's the name? Wrestler. Yes. Yes.

[B]

Oh, no.

[D]

That was legendary, guys. Y' all too young for that shit.

[E]

Yeah, so I used to watch that and do wrestling every day. So then when I moved to Harlem, you know, in Brooklyn, the only thing they used to do was rob and steal. So, like, When I moved to Harlem, it was like a movie. Cause I actually saw, like, black people making money. Sadie's Benzes, even though they was drug dealers. Like, it was just like a movie. Then I go to 55th, and I happened to go the day of the All Star Game, and I saw a guy named Malloy Naismith that will forever be my idol. I don't care.

[D]

Malloy who, like, future Malloy? Yeah.

[E]

So I don't care how much basketball.

[D]

He's the King of the Bronx.

[E]

Yeah. So he was like, for y', all, if y' all don't know Malloy, hopefully y' all know Kareem Reed. They're, like, probably the most legendary point guards up there. Cause they played for so long. And I went up there, and I saw Mike Boogie get on one knee and dribble through malloy legs in 55th. And that forever changed my life. I seen. I was hanging in the tree, and I saw, like, it was people coming up there getting dressed at halftime, getting Jordans. At this point, I was wearing spot belts. I didn't even know what Jordans was.

[D]

Spot bills was. That was the shit.

[A]

It was just classic.

[E]

So it just, like, changed my life. It was like, entertainment basketball. Because that was the first time I saw something that, like, entertained fans and, like, which made people famous. That wasn't famous. Like, you know, like local heroes, like, walking down the street. And people, like, instantly know you. Like, that's Malloy Mason. That's Master Rob. I remember when somebody said, man, you know, Magic Johnson? I said, he can't mess with no Malloy.

[A]

So when you're watching the league right now, and you're watching college, and I would love to ask you this, and it's okay. It's like, people say the Sham God dribble. Like, it's a real.

[D]

That's a fact.

[A]

It's like muscle memory. It's like when you go to the doctor and they hit your knee. You know what I'm saying? For muscle memory. So how did that come about?

[D]

And for those that don't know what

[A]

that is, please tell them what the Sham God dribble is.

[E]

Well, it's like, what people don't understand is, like, I used to watch Admire this guy named Sherman Anderson, and he used to always dribble up the court with one hand, like, going like this, like, inside out. One hand, One hand. And then you factor in, like, when I was growing up to, like, I know Joe and Jada as Blake as you can. It's like, you know, it's like, when you see coogee rap and all of them, you growing up, like, these are like superheroes. So when I first started playing basketball, even though I was hanging with Steph, Kareem Reed, Rafer Austin, all these people, they was already playing basketball since 10. I wasn't playing. So these dudes was like the Avengers to me. Like, I was like, yo, these dudes is off the chain. If I ever could come a little bit good like them, I'm gonna be nice. So then, like, like I said, I watched this kid named Sherwin. And then Rafe was, like, real nice at the time for people that don't know that skipped through my loop. So he used to do all this skipping stuff. I went to PS 90, I went to PS 175. And the janitor, one day, I'm in there dribbling and stuff in. The janitor was like, man, if you just took it seriously, you could be somebody. And I was like, man, who the fuck you think you are? Who you talking about? So I don't even know who he is. I go home, I get this tape called Below the Rim. That's when it was like, VHA to. It's like Kevin Johnson, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd, all these people. Tim Hardaway. But in the middle of the tape, it's like, Pistol Pete, Earl Monroe, Tiny Archibald, all these people. So I'm like, man, this dude look familiar. So I go back to school. I'm just watching him for a week. So then I got the courage, and I said, hey, do you got a son named Tiny Archibald? And he's like, what are you talking about? And I was. I was watching this tape, and it said Tiny Archibald, but his name is Nate Archibald, right? So I'm like, I'm not even putting two. And I was like, he's skinny, so I can't. But I'm thinking, like, the people think now, if you play in the NBA, you rich. So I'm looking at him, and he's like, no, what are you talking about? That's me. And I'm like, what? There's no way that could be you. And I was like, why you didn't tell me you played in the NBA? And he was like, oh, you little kids just think you know everything. So I just let. And, like, to this day, that's one of my closest friends. But he. The one that told me, like, he was like, if you master something and you do it for free, one day the world will pay you for it. So then when we got in the NCAA tournament in 97. I was actually trying to do another move. This move Kenny Anderson used to do. He used to, like, go fast, change direction, throw it between his legs. And what happened was the ball slipped. And then the only thing I could remember is the dude Sherwin. I used to grab the ball like that. And then, because I watch film a lot, I went back to stadium. I'm like, man, this thing. I'm like, man, that move could work. But then I still ain't think nothing of it. And then I came home in the summer, and I went to the park I grew up in, and I'm just looking through the fence, and these little kids like, oh, man, I just shammed you. I just shammed you. I'm like, what are you talking about? And then the kid was like, yeah, I just sham God him and all that. And then the next thing you know, it just went viral like that. And it's like one of the most humbling feeling because I know everybody up here and anybody here, if you work anywhere, you want to make it better than how you found it. And for me, I get to live in my inspiration every day because Mark Cuban, people like that gave me a platform to show my talent. So, like, when people say, like, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul doing the sham guard, and they like, yeah, you know, he's sitting right there. He assistant coach. So for me, that's just amazing feeling because I know when I'm dead and gone, I left basketball better than how I found it.

[D]

Wow.

[E]

When a kid is 10 years old, they will learn how to do the sham guard.

[D]

You know I'm fried, right? I mean, I'm fucked up in the head. So I think of shit. You know, I grew up in a world where you had to go get like. It was a treacherous world. When I seen NBA players do the sham guard, I thought they jerked you. I was like, yo, these niggas jerked in sham. I was melt, dumb, tight. I'm watching them. It wasn't like you would be like, yo, he did my move. I'm like, yo, they jerking sham. That's the sham God. Like, yo, that's up, man. I looked at so different. I know I'm not a positive thinker, man. I looked at it, I was like, yo, they owe him money.

[E]

Yeah, that's what everybody said. Everybody be like, man, did you copyright it because you can get money? And I'm like. I'm like, nah, for me, it's like I said, it's just one of the most craziest feelings in the world because I would forever be known as one name.

[B]

Forever.

[D]

Yeah, but who was it? There was one NBA player. I was watching the game live and they interviewed. They was like, yeah, what's the move you did? And he said, the sham guard.

[E]

Yeah, that was Westbrook. Fuck, yeah.

[D]

Westbrook gave it up.

[E]

Yeah, yeah. Westbrook was like, he did the move.

[D]

He did the move. And then the fucking announcer was in the oil. He was like, yo, but what did you just do when you did? He said, yo, that was the sham. I was like, yo, Yo. Today's show is brought to you by our presented sponsor, Hard Rock BET Florida Sportsbook.

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[D]

It's from us. We never seen nobody from the hood. Like that's the other thing we going to you Jalen Rose, right? You Richer than everybody on here. So you'll speak later, right? Yo, Shan, like, you never see the beauty of your story. We talked about Omar Cook.

[E]

He's a coach for Cleveland now.

[D]

The beauty about your story is we never seen nobody from the street, street playground legend to go to the NBA. That's why Skip was so special. We all offer inspiration, and then you go NBA, but you also go and you coach. You know, that's offering a lot of hope, a lot of inspiration, and that's what makes you so dope. You know, every. You think about everybody we ever seen, you know, there's some nice guys out there, like, Phenom. They never did that.

[E]

But the whole thing is, like, to give it up to y' all is like. And kids could attest to this. Like, we come from a place where things. Things seem hopeless. But I saw hope, you know what I'm saying? When I see Fat Joe at the time being Fat Joe, when I see Jay Z at the time being Jeff, Jay Z is, you know, and even Puff to a point, like, no disrespect, all love. Like, part I've been in his life is all love. Like, so, like, they gave me the inspiration because, like I said, when I was in Brooklyn, I didn't see that. I saw, like, Rob and stealing this and that. Not saying Uptown wasn't crazy, the Bronx wasn't crazy, but Brooklyn was crazy. Yeah, but they also. The thing that was different from Brooklyn to all them other barrels is, like, the stuff y' all was doing. You still was getting money, and you still was, like, looking good. Like, still, like, man, I could be something. And it wasn't like, oh, Fat Joe's going to jail. Jay Z's going to jail, this and that. Like, when I'm running around with kids, Mace, chic styles, all of them, like, we get to see people over us. That was, like, doing stuff that actually made money. So it was like. So that's why, like, even in my book, when I wrote, I'm like, you gotta be a. You gotta be careful who you say, who's the hero and who's the villain, right? Because I grew up with drug dealers that when I became nice in basketball, paid my mom's rent for two years. So do I think they're a hero, or do I think they're a villain? You know what I'm saying? I went to Providence. You know, one was on America's Most Wanted. He was number three. And I never knew that. I've been to park, elbowing him, talking stuff to him. Nigga's a mass murderer.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[E]

But. But he always told everybody in the

[D]

hood, he wouldn't hurt you.

[E]

Yeah, everybody in the hood. He was like, yo, make sure Sham play ball. Make sure Sham is good. So those are people I grew up around. So it's hard for me to always be like, so that's why when I tell kids, it's easiest for me to coach them because I give them the dead truth and say, yo, this could happen. That could happen. But if you let me help you, I can help you. You can still say what you want. Like with Kyrie, like when it was me and Kai, it's like, yo, you can still say what you want, but let me help you. Because the worst thing you could do is say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you.

[D]

Say that again.

[A]

I need a glass of this.

[E]

You can't say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you.

[B]

Two to a felon. Where you at?

[E]

So my whole thing in life was always to try to let people understand me. Because I knew I would never be perfect. We all not perfect. I'm going to fail short even when I try to do good. So. But. But if you have people that can understand you, at least they could say, you know what? I ain't really with that, but I understand what you got going on, so I'm gonna just leave it alone. But when they don't understand you, that's when the confusion start and the madness start. And now it's problems, you know what I'm saying? Which you see in Harlem all day with my brothers that are trying to make sure get on the same page. It's just like with Mason Cam, like kissing off. Just like, yo, we gotta get together, bro. Like, we all family. Like, if something happened to me, your family gonna be upset. Something happened to you, My family gonna be upset. Even if we don't speak, my family, my son and them still call you uncle, right?

[D]

Yeah, I say that about hip hop, so I don't know where it started, where they try to put a false narrative. Yeah, all rappers don't get along and all that, but when somebody, they don't. I'm with Kiss, Grumpy Uncle Grady, right?

[B]

Yes, yes.

[D]

But say, say something real sad that recently happened. Little John's son, I don't know him, but I felt bad instead of a mean prayer for Little John, because Little John's my brother and I love him. I didn't know his son, but we got like, the.

[B]

It goes deeper than rap. That's not a rapper. That's a father losing his son.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

If you got any type of heart.

[D]

But he's also a rapper.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So what I'm saying for me is no longer Lil Jon. It's the guy that I put myself. I mean, I can't imagine that feeling.

[E]

So.

[D]

So fuck the rappers, huh, Jay? Then

[A]

it's bigger than rap. He said it's bigger than rap.

[B]

Rap is a man lost his son,

[E]

but it's just like, you know, like, basketball and rapping is like cousins. So, like, it come from the most competitive place, right? Because you still gonna have the street guy that think he better than the guy that's in the NBA. And then the NBA guy gonna be like, the street guy don't understand what it takes to make it. So it's always gonna be competition. It's always going to be competitiveness. So that's why it gets confusion. It's just like you said when you went to the club and you see other people, everybody face fighting, but everybody in the same struggle, but nobody talking about it. So they think they coming from two different places, and they're really not right. So that's why, like, in Harlem, there's no person in Harlem that ever played basketball that I haven't been in the gym with or try to steer the right way. Whether it worked or not, it's like, yo, I'm always here. I'm always. Because when I left school early out of college, I wish I had somebody there for me to be. Like, nah, just stay one more year. Just. Just hold on. You know, everything gonna be all right. You know what I'm saying? But where we come from, if you got your mind made up, everybody like, oh, man, that's what's up. You should do it. Then when it don't work, they're like, man, you was bugging anyway, bro. I don't even know why you did that shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, we come from especially, like, jailing with the Fab Five did. Like, if they had nil, they would have been rich before they.

[B]

They owed them.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

So how you feel?

[D]

They.

[B]

They jerk, Champ. They owe them something. They own it.

[D]

You know, the world ain't fair.

[B]

Couple million.

[D]

The world ain't fair. Yeah, you ain't still actually, to this day, we had that, um, game, the championship football joint, and they still like, do you think it's right that they could. Yeah, they. I think it's right. They got Paid. Because these colleges been selling tickets, selling jerseys, and these kids ain't beginning shit. And they've been like, all right, guys, thank you. And not only that, these jerseys, they fat five. Your jersey's still selling.

[A]

Well, the one thing about sports and money is. And I've talked about this a lot, so I'm not like, interfering with things that I have going on, because I've been talking about this for 30 years. The only sports to have salary caps are black leg. Wow.

[E]

First on.

[A]

But that's basketball and football. Those are only sports with salary caps. Baseball, golf, nascar, tennis. You can keep naming. They do not have a salary. That's the first thing.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

He's correct. The second thing is they have no after high school restriction. And so that's a. That's a residue of slavery is because we're going to get money off of you for multiple years for free. There's no way around. There's you.

[B]

How can we start? So we got to start a union. The Coalition.

[D]

They doing it now. They getting paid now.

[B]

No, but he just made it finish.

[A]

Yes. And so what happened in the game is it became so obvious because of social media and because of information. It's like we're making billions of dollars. We gotta pay him something. That's how it ended up happening. And so for the player, like, you're an artist. You guys are artists.

[B]

We've been damn fools. Hoodwink.

[D]

Right?

[A]

Y' all don't think it. That's where I'm going.

[D]

Like, I have a rape and pillage

[A]

and no shots or no shade or whatever. Like, whatever. But I'm just like, real spill. Like, I have a free lock shirt.

[B]

No doubt.

[A]

Like, I have one.

[B]

That the locks go.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And what ends up happening in the entertainment is we're the worker, we're the talent, but we're not the owner. And that's the same thing in sports that happened with the Nil. So I'm happy to see players now getting paid off of their name, image, and likeness. But if you notice, you still gotta pay the system. Like NFL players, You have to be three years removed from high school to go to the NFL. A lot of people don't realize that.

[E]

Maurice. Correct. Got messed up.

[A]

Correct. You can't go straight from the NFL

[E]

after your sophomore year when you had your best year.

[A]

Correct. You have to wait three years so the system can profit off. It's the same thing with basketball. Like, NBA players have shown Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, like, that you can come out of high school and be productive in the league, but they still don't allow you to do it so that you can feed the system and they can make money off. And so I sit on the table about this for a long time, for 30 years. And the greatest trick that the media played on society is that the Fab Five was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan.

[B]

Who's on the honor roll? I seen that.

[A]

Yeah, that was like, the biggest trick. And we didn't have, like, social media. I couldn't say nothing. I'm like, I'm on the dean's list. They're treating me like I'm some dummy. And I took that personal. So I'm happy that there are allowed to be paid right now.

[E]

And.

[A]

But if you notice, the NBA still got a salary cap. NFL still got a salary cap.

[D]

I never knew that. So that's how they say you learn something new every day.

[A]

And both of those Sports are like 75%, 80% black. You can name on one hand a black owner. It's like, oh, you're Michael Jordan. You're one of the greatest of all time. So you can be an owner. Is there a black owner in the NFL?

[E]

I don't think it exists. No.

[B]

Magic is partially right.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Magic's different, though.

[D]

That.

[A]

That.

[E]

Yeah, he.

[D]

You could do anything if Magic didn't. What Kanye said, don't say, but you.

[E]

But you. Like. But like, to your point is like, I remember in 12th grade, me and Steph, we met with Spike Lee for He Got Game. So a lot of people don't know, like, it's based on, like, part of Steph life. And then off my name. He wanted to name the character God. And he was like. When he saw me playing Lasalle, he came up with the idea of, like, oh, Jesus, shuttle work. Because he wouldn't say God or whatever. And me and Steph auditioned, and then he was like, oh, I'm give y' all a part. But he was like, the problem was if we took the role, we couldn't. We'd be NCAA ineligible because we was getting paid. So that's why Steph ain't even do his own movie. And then. And Ray Allen was going to the NBA so he could do it. So that's what people don't. Don't know about, like, how the whole movie thing came about, you know? And Spike talk about this. It's not me just saying. It's Spike talk about how he saw me play a little salad that he got the idea of. Like, he was like, man, he got that name and he's good in basketball. And then that's. Instead of using God, he just. Jesus. Shuttle.

[A]

And that's what I want to ask you, Kist. And I'm gonna ask you, Joe, because I see a lot of, like, articles about streaming and how they're not doing the artist justice, per se. Like, the artists that say, we can have, like, a billion. This literally reminds me of the NCAA and Nil when I see this about art. It's like, you can sell a billion streams but make, like, 50 cents.

[B]

What it. I don't even understand. I don't even know if they made a book. I don't even know if there's anywhere they just made up their own rules with. Am I right or wrong?

[E]

Right.

[D]

I don't know what the fuck they doing.

[A]

And I don't mean to bring up a story topic, but this is how I feel. This is how I felt.

[B]

If you go to any. Maybe. Maybe the higher ups and, you know, you go to Paris and Vivendi and somebody like that, and some type of people can explain it to you, But I'm almost 97% sure, if you just ask any of your friends, other artists, athletes, and they're never going to be able to explain it to you. It's one of them.

[D]

Sh.

[A]

That's crazy. So that's the equivalent of me playing at Michigan. And so now it's pay for play. So Fat Joe's a great high school player, and he's gonna pick a school to go. Now they're picking the highest bidder. Yeah, but most of the players aren't selling goods. That's called pay for play. So what made us different is we would have been selling huaraches, black socks, or like we were jerseys, like, we were selling product. Artists, y' all are selling product. You know what I'm saying? So I don't understand how I can buy your song or your album, but

[D]

you don't get paid from it.

[A]

Really?

[D]

How does that work? We've been sold out from the forefathers, and unfortunately,

[A]

we try to get revenge for what they did to.

[D]

Is that a flag or something? Why are you laughing at that? Why are you laughing at that?

[B]

Because. Go ahead.

[D]

I want to hear why you look, why you found that.

[B]

Because I don't. They didn't sell us out. They didn't. They didn't know what happened.

[E]

They didn't know.

[A]

They didn't know.

[D]

What happens is we've been sold out by the forefathers. And unfortunately, in the black and Latino community. It's like when you watch a bunch of kids playing with the ball, and the kid goes, my ball. You can't play with it. My ball. Puff Daddy thought he was the only person that could make a bout. The whole entire industry wanted every dollar you could think of, right? Couple of other guys wanted every single dollar you could think of. So it wasn't like, each one teach one. It was like, yo, play the Rubik's Cube till you fucking crack the code. So no one, to this day, no one told me, you can get a dollar like this.

[B]

It's definitely not a game that passes on intel or.

[D]

But there's people who knew it, though. There's no. There's people. And I love everybody. I'm not throwing shots of Puff or nobody like that. Somebody like. No, I didn't mean that. I did not mean that. What I'm trying to tell you is I didn't mean it in that way. What I'm saying is the man wanted to be the king. Everybody wanted to be like a king. And they wouldn't tell you. So we going like this. I said this when Puff, before Puff was ever in trouble. And he's a big inspiration to me. So, you know. But I'm in my video with bottles of fucking Ciroc. I'm wearing Sean John. I'm wearing this. I don't know what the fuck going on. Next thing I know, he's selling these shits for a billion dollars. And so we influencing the streets. They looking and they're like, oh, we need to get that sweatsuit. We need to drink that, Sarah. We need that. They named the whole Coco Loso after Fabulous. I don't think he ever got a dollar, huh?

[B]

I wrote the binge.

[D]

Look, we're not here pointing that Puff, right? What I am saying is.

[A]

Hold on.

[D]

What I am saying to you is.

[A]

You wrote the binge.

[D]

I sat down. Yeah, he wrote everything.

[B]

I wrote his part.

[D]

He wrote everything. But let me explain.

[B]

Not the. She wrote his part. I wrote my part.

[D]

Somebody I respect to the highest level in the universe, who I don't think, but I know is highly intelligent, is Russell Simmons. And I used to ask him, when I was younger, I'd be like, yo, why we ain't got no black distribution? Why we ain't pressing vinyl?

[A]

No.

[D]

Like, he be like, joe, you really don't want to be asking that question. This is the guy who wants.

[A]

That's like us asking about Nil.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

No, but never giving it. Never get to the bottom.

[D]

But he'll tell you, yo, don't even ask that shit. I'll be like, yo, what do you mean? There's a reason why nobody got the shit. They don't want nobody to get that shit and this. And then you heard about people trying to make moves like that, and they always got in trouble with the law or some scandal came out.

[B]

You know, they stay out of there.

[D]

They've been scandaling motherfuckers forever. We talked about somebody we knew in the back in basketball. They was scandaling niggas forever. Like, okay, you getting too loose, Wacko Jacko.

[A]

So that adds a question that I have for both of you gentlemen. Because there's a dope bar that I love. You know, dead rappers get better promotion in my life, right? So I want to ask you with Big and you with Pun because, like, those are two of my favorite artists that rest in peace, aren't here anymore. Like, what did you. And I'm gonna start with you, Kiss. Like, see in Big when he was alive. And what disappointed you about how he was projected after he died? Because that's your line.

[B]

What I saw when he was alive was a good guy that took care of a lot of people. Very humorous. Unlike the stuff me and Crack just said. He did put myself and my brothers on to all of the powers that beat and the discrepancies and what to look for from Diddy and how he was going to be and this and that and. You know what I mean, how to be an artist, how to conduct his. So things like that, that's what I was able to learn from him. My time being able to spend with him after he passed, it's kind of. I got that line kind of off him. And Pun Puff was able to sell 10 million off the no Way out album. After the Passing the pick, I've seen a lot of people just claim to be cooler with them than they were. One of the things I don't like. One of the things I don't like is through all of the. Through all of the glamour and glitz and shits and giggles, people don't have the relationship with his kids, it'd be so called. Everybody was big man and this and that. They don't know his kid's number. They never spoke to his kids. They don't got kids birthday. They don't. So that's rocket shit right there. But it's a lot of that that goes on with this industry is a lot of smoking mirrors. And when you come across some good people that do good business and you Able to have a relationship outside of the music business. Stay tight with them and everybody else.

[E]

Fuck.

[A]

What about you, Joe with Big Pun, Complicated.

[D]

After he died, there was no more money. So it wasn't like I never made a dollar from him after he passed.

[A]

Really?

[D]

That's a fact.

[E]

Really?

[D]

Never made a dollar.

[A]

One of the dopest MCs.

[D]

Yeah, but you know what happens is I just seen, and I want to quote this right, But I breezed through, but I knew what he was saying. I just saw an interview with French Montana, said he sold 65 million records and still don't got an oil. This is raping you records.

[E]

It's

[D]

raping you. Raping you raping. No, this will be raping you raping

[A]

you with this here 65 million records.

[D]

That's what French Montana said. So what I'm trying to tell you

[B]

is the only similar to the NBA. It is correct?

[A]

Correct.

[D]

It's actually worse.

[E]

Worse.

[A]

It's like college.

[D]

You got a union. It's the college of the college. This, You know, like I got an album, to me is a big deal. It sold 2 million records on Atlantic Records. And it's 20 something years. I never see a fucking dollar from this album like to this day. But I learned the business and I've been independent for maybe 17 years. And now if I sell, if I put out an album, I sell a hundred thousand record, I make a couple of million. So you gotta educate yourself and figure it out. You know what, my man? Who was that? George Bush? Something happened to me. Shame on me. Something happened again. Fool me once, fool me two times, same on me. That's on you. If you get jerked one time and you ain't learning from the process, just everything in life. If you get taken advantage of financially,

[B]

I'm gonna have you like a hobby

[D]

due to your skills.

[B]

You're gonna be talking like I'm gonna

[D]

be a Harvard student. Let me explain something to you. And so you gotta learn from your mistakes and your lessons in life. And I've always been good with that. Meaning, like I got a big brother that I looked up to that was a billion times smarter than me. But he fucked his whole life up using drugs. So I never used drugs. So I could see you. You know, I grew up in the family of gambling a holics. We ain't had shit in all I remember we. I used to be sitting on the floor the projects. I'm laying on the floor and watching my grandmother, my grandfather, my aunts, my uncles, they playing the number, they betting they laugh and everything, right? And then one day, my mother hits and the number. What's the matter? My mother hits. Listen, my mother hits and she might have made $400. And you only hit the number once every, like year two. You playing every day. A hundred dollars. She got to tip the lady she played the number with. She. The whole family waiting for 10, $20. All the way. Before you know it, she won $40 back of the 800.

[E]

She spent the biggest scam.

[D]

Are you fucking with me? I did the numbers and the knowledge and I knew these people are suckers. Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. And so now they book me all the time in Vegas, right? And they hoping you like a doping. So in any other place. Here we doing this little event. They walk me in through the back. No, no, it's huge. But they walk me in through the back. Correct. Anywhere I go, if I do a stadium show, they walking me through the back. Club walking me through the back. Vegas, the only place. They walk me to my show in the casino, do the fucking tables. They want me there. They want me to catch that doping. If I'm a gambler, I'm stopping there and I'm betting all the. They just gave me back in that table.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

Wish yourself good luck. I be by the table.

[A]

Skippity.

[D]

Do that. Skip. Where the free food at? Like, where the buffet, Glizzy, you got me.

[E]

But that's. But that's. I saw that.

[D]

Yeah, kid.

[E]

Yeah, Joe, but that's. But that's. But. But that's to your. That's to your point.

[D]

That's residual income for you, man. You've been throwing up flags at me for that glizzy talk.

[E]

But that's to your point. It's like when you grow up in the hood, you get so stuck in the pain for what happened that you can't see the things that could be better, right? So, like, for me, it wasn't easy, but it wasn't hard, right? So, like, even in my book, I talk about, like, you know, because people always ask me about my relationship with my father, and my father's here, so,

[D]

like, shout out, dad.

[E]

He was talking, I love Pops.

[D]

He was talking with me. I always like to learn.

[E]

So, like, all the stuff. All the stuff he been through, you know, when I was young, our relationship was, like, up and down because he went to jail and stuff like that. The things that happened, you know, me not being a man at that time, you know, you look at him and blame him for what's going on. Right. And then in 11th grade, you have a son, and then it changed your life. And then you figure, like, man, 11th grade. Yeah. So it's like. It's not always. It's not always his fault because he was going through stuff, and he was going through his own stuff and trying to figure out his own stuff. And then while he was in jail, finished college and all that stuff. And now, as a man, he's one of my best friends because how he treat my kids and stuff like that. But what he don't know is all the stuff he went through was an example for me not to go through. So through his pain and his trials and tribulation, it made me successful as a person, made me not feel sorry for myself or be stuck in place and just always get up and, like, you know, next day gonna be better. You know what I'm saying? And just push. Push that to the limit. So that's why I always try to pay it forward. And like I said, you know, I know. We hear on y' all podcast, which is amazing podcast, we here talk about

[D]

Jalen Rose podcast gang.

[E]

No, no, no. And we here to talk about the McDonald's or American game. And that was like, one of my first stepping stones to the NBA, because I looked at Jalen Rose and the people before me, I was like, man, the dudes that make it to the McDonald's or American game go to the NBA. And, you know, all the stuff my father went through, I was just like. Like I said, the one thing he did always teach me, you know, being a father, center and stuff like that, is always have discipline and always have knowledge yourself, right? So I had knowledge of self. You know, I was like, God, crack.

[A]

Yeah, so crack, Kim. I lie. Look at.

[E]

So. So I always. I always had knowledge of self since I was young. And I was always proud to be black, right? So that's why when I went to Harlem, it was so impactful, because it was the Apollo, the 125th Street Jada Kissingham was always at the mark, 125, you know what I'm saying? Even though they was my age, they was doing something I've never seen before, like putting words together and stuff like that. So it was always, like, mad love and mutual respect for them, because it was just like, man, these dudes is

[D]

going to blow up.

[E]

I didn't know how they was going to blow up, but I'm like, man, these dudes in the hood, smashing. You know, whether it was him, Mace Kim and them. So as me going forward I was like, okay, my first stepping stone is to just make McDonald's all American. So that's why I was just pressed, because I was like, if I can make that, then my odds would go up, right? And I remember when I got the call over to a loudspeaker. Cause that's when. And at this point, you didn't take the same position from the same city, right? So I already knew Steph was going to be McDonald's in America. Steph was the best 7th grade, best 8th grade, best 9th grade, best 10th grade, best 11th grade. So I was like, man, I was like, it might be impossible. I got to work hard. Because at that point, they didn't take the same position, and we both was point guards. So when I got the call, but with a loudspeaker, Steph was like, the second person that. That told me I made McDonald's American Girl. And that's all I wanted to do, because I wanted to make my father proud. I wanted to make my father friends proud. I wanted my father friends to go tell him, like, yo, this is your son. You know what I'm saying? So, like, for me, through all the trials and tribulations, I seen, brother, like, y' all say, like, we in the hood and stuff. I always knew, like, it could be better. And I was like, I know what I. I didn't know what I wanted to become, but I said, I know what I don't want to be. And my biggest thing was I didn't want people to walk up to me. Like, I used to see them walk up to people I look up to and be like, man, he used to be nice. So that's, like, a big insult to me. Like, when somebody say, you used to be, you used to be.

[D]

Talk about it. Yo, you can't. Used to look at Fat Joe like, shit, I'm flying right now, right now. Don't play that shit with me. I got all the. My teeth. All my.

[A]

All my teeth.

[D]

I got all my teeth.

[A]

Don't play that.

[D]

It's been a lifetime dream. Yeah, people get runs and then they get played that they remember they used to. This, not me. You wanted a cast, and I'mma has.

[E]

So that's why I'm proud to be a McDonald's All American. Because to this day, those are my brothers. Like Steph kg, Vince Carter, pull up his. You know, probably the same jailer could speak to his class. Like, those are my brothers. Like, when I see them, it's all

[D]

got a question for y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

He brought it Up. It was the Joe and Jadis show.

[A]

I love you guys.

[D]

Paul Pierce thinks that if he was in his prime, there would be no LeBron James. Hear me out.

[A]

But that's just a rivalry.

[D]

Okay, let me.

[A]

He doesn't really like. I went to bed one night, and he was like, I'm gonna be continue. I went to bed one night. It was like, Michael Jordan is nothing. I'm gonna crush him.

[D]

Please. That's. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me. Let me finish this. Let me finish this.

[A]

As a favorite in the underdog. Yes, sir.

[D]

You want to.

[E]

Yeah, good. Good question.

[D]

This is a dandy, but good. Paul Pierce thinks. And if he was in his prime, it would be no LeBron James. Case in point. Or whatever. He says he made LeBron James team up with D. Wade and him and go down to Miami because they won them two chips in a row. He said I was past my prime, and I forced him to go down to Miami and play with them because we had the game all smashed. So honest. Smash is all right. So you're almost going for Full Cell. What else?

[E]

Smash. Cause of that.

[D]

Can y' all both answer it? As honest as possible. I'll start with you, Sham Garner. Do you think that Paul Pierce, if he's at his prime, LeBron James gotta wait six years for a chip or something?

[E]

Nah, that's why I threw the flag, because, you know, Paul is my McDonald's all American guy, and that's my brother. But the reason why LeBron went to Miami is because Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen came to Boston. If Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen don't come to Boston, then Paul Pierce never get a ring, and there's no reason for LeBron to go anywhere. So when he say LeBron went and teamed up with somebody, it's not that he would have teamed up with somebody, but somebody came and teamed up with him for him to win the ring. So you gotta have the same grace for the next man that goes somewhere else.

[D]

Listen, what you think?

[A]

One of my favorite verses came from Big. And that's like, as I look at you gentlemen, it literally just came to me when he was like, if you sling crack, rocker, you got a wicked jump shot. Because we idolize what you guys do. And many artists wish they hoop. Like, Jadakiss was literally just talking. Like, I wanted to hoop, but, like, I didn't get the offers that I want. Like, I heard Cam talk about it.

[D]

I've heard multiple people talk about it.

[A]

But to your question, Paul literally said, he was past his punt. So therefore, nothing stopping LeBron. At that time, the Pistons were a couple of years older and like LeBron is gold status. He earned that. Not better than Michael Jordan.

[E]

No, no.

[A]

But he's gold status.

[E]

Can't do that.

[D]

What you think, Jadakiss? You always make a funny. Why?

[A]

You heard that?

[D]

And you squinted.

[B]

He said.

[D]

They both said, I think you're a liar. And deep down inside in your heart, you think LeBron's better than Jordan. I think so. This conversation come up. The weed. Who the fuck is he? He always give me a twitch.

[E]

I'm telling. I'm mj.

[B]

I'm MJ forever.

[D]

Very smart, very calculated man. But you're fucking. You know, like. You know, like that cop interrogation. You did it. You had the bottle in the store. You had the fucking bottle in the store.

[A]

So as somebody that played against Michael Jordan, played against Kobe, played against LeBron, I want to just tell you guys something. There's nobody better than Michael.

[D]

No.

[B]

Talk slow to him.

[A]

I want to be very clear.

[D]

You with us now, huh? Rich ball in here.

[A]

He's like, there's a reason why you're wearing his shoes. And he ain't played in 30 years.

[D]

I agree.

[A]

There's an actual reason. Just think about this. And I know the cool kids say pause now, so I thought it out there, but this gentleman played basketball with his tongue hanging out. Just think about. You can't walk from this stage to the back with your tongue out without biting your tongue. Just think about that.

[D]

So, Jordan, you convincing the wrong man.

[A]

So you're wearing his shoes.

[D]

Preach it to the converted.

[A]

I'm telling you why you're wearing his shoes. It's not just because he won the championships. Like, Jordan had that sexy. That fly he showed up with the Blazer, had the Ferrari, parked it in the arena, played with his tongue hanging out like he. Like this.

[D]

This is iconic, part two to your answer. This is why I say Kobe Bryant's the second best of all time.

[A]

I was standing there when he scored 81. Facts. I know. And the thing is.

[D]

Let me explain. Let me give you a little fact.

[A]

No highlights in that game.

[D]

Let me give you a four.

[A]

Ain't no hit record.

[D]

And he sat down for the fourth quarter.

[A]

Ain't no hit records in that game.

[D]

He sat down for the fourth. Let me explain something.

[A]

He did not sit down for the fourth.

[D]

I go, oh, so that wasn't that game.

[A]

That was against the Mav.

[E]

No, that was against the Mavs.

[D]

Sat down the whole fourth quarter.

[A]

That was against the Mavs.

[E]

That was against the Mavs.

[A]

So we played.

[E]

That was a warmup.

[A]

So here's. So I want to highlight. So I want to highlight what you're saying. Kobe was on the heater that month. Like, I looked at the schedule and I'm going to do a story time. Like, weed wasn't legal then. Weed was not legal.

[D]

And our weed. Marijuana.

[A]

Marijuana was not legal. Cannabis might have been a little bloated trying to pass the test that night because they were there to test us.

[D]

I'm literally so you making excuses behind this.

[A]

Ain't no excuses. Kobe's my. That's my little brother. Like, if you Google right now, who was Kobe Bryant's favorite player when he was in high school? It was me.

[B]

Make some noise for that.

[D]

Make some noise.

[A]

If you Google that right now, it was me. So that's my little brother. I'll never forget. We was working out of ucla, and y' all know this as artists. We was working out and doing our

[D]

thing, and we felt like, yo, we

[A]

gonna go to Berkeley in Santa Monica and get massages and, like, rehabilitate and get in the steam and whatever. But what I didn't know his ass was going back to the gym and he didn't tell me, so I was

[D]

going to LA to kick it.

[A]

So we worked out in the morning. You know this coach.

[D]

That's why you laughing.

[A]

So, like, we go work out in the morning and I'm thinking, like, we done and I'm going. I'm doing the LA thing. His ass went back to the gym and didn't tell me he did that every.

[D]

I got a story for you. I come up in Jersey. I parked the car in the garage. I'm going to see my man. He's one of them buildings that you go to the lobby and you gotta take the other elevator to go to 30th floor or something. You gotta get out in the lobby.

[A]

I gotta keep this around me for you sometime, Joe.

[D]

Okay. It's okay. It's all right. It's all right, right? I come out in the lobby and there's 30 people that live in that building surrounded the front desk. So of course I go be nosy. I'm like, yo, what's going on? The security, the doorman is watching the little black and white tv. It's the finals. So I'm watching the finals. If you ever wondered one time you ever said, yo, what were other people thinking at this moment, I happened to be there by mistake with 30 people watching the basketball Finals. So I go over there. Everybody's watching. Asian people, white people. Spent, like, everybody. The whole lobby is rampant watching this little tv. They down two points, right? The Lakers are down two points. The other team got the ball. So they about to throw the ball in. Kobe jumps over something, hits the guy. The ball hits the guy and goes. The whole 30 people, everybody's crying. I'm like, they're still down two. They got the ball. Why are you crying at this point, guys? Because you knew that motherfucker was going to curl and hit that three in your face. That ball got checked in. He did the curl and shot that three in a fucking face. The whole 30 people knew exactly, exactly what was going to happen with Kobe Bryant. And this is why I say he's the second best.

[E]

This is why I say, right? So, like, what people understand is it goes back to, like, what Kiss was talking about with Big, right? Oh, when his untimely demise is like. When I see people act like they were more cooler with him than they were, it, like, bothers me to this day because, like, when Kobe first came back from overseas, small circle, I'm the first person that he met, right? We played ABCD together. And his father, I was dribbling and stuff. And his father was like, yo, can you teach my son how to dribble? He was like, and this is not me talking. Cause I ain't talking about it in 20 years. Kobe said it in retirement in Boston, right? So Kobe said it out his mouth. And when he retired, he was like, shan. Yeah. He was like. So when I first met him, his father was like, hey, can you teach him how to dribble? He was like, my son got everything, but he really can't dribble. And I was like, who your son? And we had a game that night in abcd, and this dude, like, chewing gum, walking like Jordan, talking like Jordan. All that. And at this time, I just made McDonald's all American. I was like, he's shooting all the balls.

[A]

I'm like, yo, who the fuck is

[E]

this shooting the ball? This supposed to be my team right now. And we in Jersey.

[A]

So I'm like, I'm home.

[E]

Like, this is my joint. And his father was like, nah, you know, he's just learning. He a junior at this time, Tim Thomas is the guard. Like, number one player in the country. There's nobody touching Tim Thomas. So then Cole was coming in to prove points. So I'm like, all right. You know, I get up every morning to work out. I do my own routine. Before camp start. So he's like, all right, what time you want him there? And I'm being smartass, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll be there five in the morning, knowing I ain't gonna be there five in the morning. So I get there like seven, he full sweating already, like, oh, what we doing?

[D]

He actually came in at five.

[E]

He came and he's just working out. He's not mad that I came. Two hours later, he's like, what's up?

[D]

What we doing?

[E]

What we doing? What we working on? So I'm showing him how to cross over, do all this stuff. And at this point, he like a sponge, right? So he's just learning all this stuff. And I'll never forget, like his first year in the NBA. My first year in the NBA. If you look on a highlight when he dunked on Ben Wallace, I'm right here on the baseline next to Ben Wallace, and I'm telling Ben like, yo, he going right the left cross.

[D]

I showed him, he gonna right the left cross.

[E]

So then he crosses, come down the lane and dunks on Ben Wallace. And he's like. And at this point, you know when you're at ABCD and you young, all the kids are like, you know, not hating on him, but you know how we tease people? You're like, oh, you think you Jordan, you think this, you think that? And he was like, what, I'm gonna be better than Jordan? Are you crazy? He was like, Jordan shoot 1000 jump shots, I'm shooting 2000 mates. So you gotta think at 50%. He done shot 4000 right a day. This is his drive. So like when he get in the NBA and they start calling him Showtime and him and Shaq, all these people beefing and all that, he was already so immune to it. Whereas Colby used to get on the bus with headphones on with no music, just so he could hear people talk about him, right? This is how vicious he was. So, like, when people talk about him, it's kind of like for me, it's personal. It's like the thing with Steph, like, I seen him at that age, like where he was shooting, like you said, the discipline. He was shooting 2,000 jump shots back then. He wanted to play against Jalen Rhodes and Jerry stackhousing him in high school back then, and was like, no, I'm the guy. Like, don't compare me to this person, that person. So like, that right there made me and him to like, to a 25 year relationship to where under his timely demise, I was Training his daughter, right? So I have a picture in my house where it's me, his daughter, the other two girls. I have a picture of Miles right now. Everybody. Everybody in the picture is dead but me. Cause they was on the plane, right? So it's like. And the crazy thing about what his daughter was, he flies me to la. He's like, he called me. He's the only person, he could do it. He called me. He's like, hey, I need you to train my daughter how to dribble. And this time, I'm working with the Mavs.

[B]

This story's crazy.

[E]

I'm working with the Mavs. The kids know this story. So I'm with the Mavs. He like, yo, I'm going to fly you to la. I want you to work my daughter out hunting the girls. And I'm like, what girls? He's like, my girls team, I got like four of them. They gonna go to UConn, ninth grade. I'm like, what? He like, yeah. I get there. He like, hey, we gonna start practice at 6 in the morning. He said, we gonna do 6, 8. We gonna do 6, 8 and 12. So I was like, you want them to work out six hours? And he was like, yeah. He was like, I only want them dribbling. And I was like, oh, they can't dribble six hours, bro. He's like, no, we're gonna do two hours at a time. I just want them dribbling. I go there, I start working with his daughter. She's just like him, what you got, Coach? What you got, Coach? Now all the parents is there watching me train them. Eight o', clock, come coach, just drop the ball, take his daughter, walk out, come back, I'm like, we gonna do some shooting. No. He's like, nah, I just want the dribbling. I'll take care of the shooting. Just want them dribbling. She's like, what we got? And I'm like, cole, they can't do this the whole week, bro. And she was like, every day I walked in there, coach, what we got? We got more. Oh, coach, look. I learned this from earlier. Like, so that's why when all this stuff happened, it was just so, like, unsurreal for me because I meet people today that talk about, yeah, you know, cold, this, cold, my God, this, that. They don't even know.

[D]

They don't even know.

[E]

They asked me to introduce them to their sister. So it's kind of like with kissing, like you saying, you know somebody or somebody, your best friend or your mentor. How you gonna know their sister, right? And I just saw his sister, like, a month ago, and she was just like, it's so crazy how when we was in high school, my brother used to come to the house and be like, yo, this the move Sham God be doing. This the move Sham God be doing. So, like, for me, it's like. Like I said, it's no better feeling. Like, all the stuff I went through, you know, going to the NBA, not finishing whatever, is like, God just had a bigger plan for me, right? And when I was young, only thing I wanted to do was inspire people. I wasn't thinking about being rich. I wasn't thinking about that because. Because to Joe's credit, to, like, Jay Z's, to the rich porters of the world and all that, that's all I got from Harlem was inspiration. So that's the only thing I knew that was concrete, right? Is to inspire people. So when the things happen, like with Kolb and the people that was pulling my life, to even being on this podcast right now, to the Mark Cubans of the world, to being a part of Roc Nation, stuff like that, it's like, there's no better feeling for me, right? So it's like everything I asked for,

[A]

I always say I got.

[E]

So that's why I'm, like, real big on being spiritual and real big on knowing this is bigger than me. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

And that's crazy because, like, by the way, shout to all of the McDonald's, all high school, all American.

[E]

Yes, sir.

[A]

That's what. Why we're here.

[E]

Yes, sir.

[A]

And shout out to Roc Nation, Joe and Jada.

[E]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Favorite show and family. And shout out to you, Sham, because one of the things that is overlooked about, like, this union is, like, the level of respect we have for each other and how hard it is to be Fat Joe and Jada Kiss.

[D]

And I don't want to get too

[A]

preachy or, like, too therapy or whatever, but, like, you gentlemen are success stories.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

And what ends up happening in our community ends up happening with, you know, notable figures is sometimes we underestimate what they had to overcome to be who they are. That's a real thing. Like Jada Kiss. I know this human being has overcome some stuff, this Fat Joe, and he acts like it's because of this crack where he stood up. Has overcome some stuff, right? God, Sham. God has literally overcomes himself. And the beauty of this audience and the beauty of this opportunity is to, like, inspire people. That's really what we want to do, like, when you make music. I hear you talk about this all of the time. You got so many hit records, sir.

[D]

You gotta inspire the people. And I just want to go back because they twisted your word. Shout out to Diddy, I ain't throw no shots because you know how they twist your.

[A]

We're not gonna kick.

[D]

He's with my guys in jail, so he's really, really good.

[B]

While you're down, shout out to the soldiers in Fort Dix holding it down.

[D]

What would you be?

[A]

And those Waymo vehicles on.

[D]

On the street, where would y' all be?

[E]

They're being controlled by cigarettes. Where would. Where would you.

[D]

Oh, no, forget about it.

[E]

I want everybody ask this. Where would you be if you had

[D]

Instagram back Came out.

[B]

Yeah, say that again.

[E]

Where would you be if you had Instagram,

[D]

Lean Back. Well, first of all, I'd be in jail.

[B]

I wouldn't be here.

[D]

Yeah, I would be here. I'd be in jail. I wouldn't have a wife.

[B]

I agree.

[D]

Oh, he said it fucked me up. That'd be the worst thing from. That'd be the worst thing from my life financially. I'd have been like, despacito. Like, man, that shit would have been over a billion served. That leaned back. Oh, in the Instagram, imagine everybody. You would have seen churches.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

That was the most fat friendly dance you ever seen in your life.

[E]

Facts.

[D]

That shit would have been outta here.

[A]

How did Lean Back happen?

[D]

Man, they keep telling us we gotta go really quick. We not leaving. The Jamaicans was killing the gang, so they had a signal to play a Rockaway, a Underranch, a Running man and

[E]

all and that shit.

[D]

So when we came up with the beat, me and Scott Storch, we in Khaled's studio, and I was like, yo, this shit gotta be a simple hook. And we didn't know yet. Stuff we know now, we didn't know. But I knew that I had to make a simple hook that even a little kid can sing. And we spitting all type. I don't give a fuck about all that. And I just say, yo, and they be looking at me like crack. What you think? I say, man, my people don't dance. We just pull up our pants, dance, do the rock, lean back. I lean back. Yo, that shit crazy. And it was outta here. We repeated it twice. And that's how I learned how to make hits like Make It Rain. And, you know, like, even when. If you think R and B, let me get real quick. But when you got records where they like, they tell you that ain't it. Like, when the R and B singers are blowing to the point of we can't even mimic it and, like, that's not a hit. It gotta be something that we can sing along to, even though we can't sing.

[A]

Sing.

[D]

You know. You know, like, it's hard to sing. And I am telling you, I'm not going.

[E]

Hey, before we wrap it up, who had the best McDonald's or American class?

[D]

Right.

[A]

Also, shout Rock Nation. Shout McDonald's All American.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Get your fruit.

[E]

No, no, no.

[B]

Who's 96? Who's the.

[E]

95 is the best McDonald's in America.

[B]

Who's 95? I might have been off with Gar

[E]

Shamgart, Stephon Marbury, Paul Pierce, Antwan Jameson, Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett, Tract the Trailer. Chris Clack, Chauncey Billups, Lewis Bullock.

[D]

What's 96?

[E]

Next 96 is Jermaine O', Neal, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash. No, no Steve Nash. That's the draft. You talking about the draft? Talking about the high school.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[E]

American. Jermaine o'. Neal, Stack Jack, Rip Hamilton, that next year. Yeah, that's the next year. Rip Hamilton, Shaheem Holloway. We got arguably the best dunker ever. We got arguably one of the best dribblers ever. Me.

[D]

That's the best dunk.

[E]

You had Stephon Marbury, culture changer.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

You had Kevin Garnett. That changed the whole algorithm.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Wow. You had Chauncey Billups, big shot.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

You had tractor trailer.

[B]

Rest in peace.

[E]

Be a rest in peace. You had Paul Pierce, The Truth. Ron Mercer.

[B]

Yep.

[E]

Bro.

[A]

That's a question.

[D]

When you answered the question. This ain't that.

[B]

That ain't.

[A]

That ain't this.

[D]

It's cracking. Kiss, God damn it.

[B]

Make some noise for Jalen and Sam. God. You heard?

[D]

So McDonald's All American. The dot.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

This year, Stepping act got three McDonald's All Americans. Who we represent?

[E]

New York, New York.

[B]

We got the Ratliff Twins. And we got one more going. They going to usc, and he going. And the other dude is going to Michigan State.

[D]

So I need to ask one question on the walkout because I need to take an old man piss.

[A]

I got my brother Kissy Sky.

[D]

Rizzy. You know that ain't even. I looked it up. That ain't even for when you got a piss. You be staying shot for no reason. Yo, flag on the plate.

[A]

So I got a qu. I got a question for both of y'.

[E]

All.

[D]

You didn't let me ask my question.

[E]

I love you, Jo.

[D]

Gotta go use the baffle.

[A]

Jacket is floss.

[D]

Who's the best?

[A]

Huh? Your jacket is floss. You know, talk to me.

[D]

And the craziest. Right there.

[A]

What the media did with the felt fast out here. He tried to act like his name came from his crack of his ass. I cannot believe you.

[B]

Simple question.

[D]

Who is the best. Who is the best female basketball player right now?

[A]

Candace Parker.

[D]

Right. I'm saying Asia Wilson.

[E]

Korean. Asia Wilson.

[A]

Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson.

[D]

Not going. Caitlin Clark.

[E]

Asia Wilson.

[D]

Asia Wilson. You gotta go on juju Watts.

[A]

No, you gotta sit this. You gotta sit this one out, dog.

[E]

I love juju.

[A]

Asia Wilson.

[D]

All right, hold on.

[A]

I love. I love you so much that I'm not gonna.

[D]

Who? The light skinned girl. The pretty one.

[A]

I don't give.

[D]

I don't give a girl. What's her name? You know who I'm talking about?

[A]

No, no. I get PTSD because you're. Your question.

[E]

No.

[A]

So when I'm telling you AJ is the light skinned girl.

[E]

Juju.

[D]

No, Juju's in. She gonna take all of them? Yeah, she taking them all out.

[E]

Juju from la.

[D]

Juju from la. She gonna take. Juju Watkins is going to take all of them out. I'm telling you. No, the white girl. What's the. What. What's the light skinned girl? She. She play like, mellow.

[B]

Not feasting now.

[D]

Feast?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

I stood not feasting. Ice, not feast.

[D]

A dead nice. But that's like the home age is the best.

[A]

Thank you. You didn't ask me who was nice. You asked who's the best.

[D]

AJ is the best.

[A]

Even though there's not a player. Beta. Asia Wilson.

[D]

Right now.

[A]

There's not.

[B]

Yes, that's a fact.

[A]

There's not.

[D]

Now what's all right for clickbait? For clickbait. Because I got to take a old man. Kaden and Clark.

[A]

So come here, Joe. I got a question. Come here, Joe.

[D]

Let him get his chest.

[A]

Come here. I love you very much. Come here, Joe. Because I gotta. I gotta speak for the crowd. So, like, these are like legendary figures.

[D]

The bathroom. I'm. So that's what it is.

[A]

So that's what it is. Go use the bathroom.

[E]

Sky Risk.

[B]

Skyris.

[A]

So I'll ask Jada until Joe come back. Because I always wanted to know this because, like, I'm a Detroiter and like Blade Icewood was our king. And then he. And he died, you know, very young. And I saw this happen with Nipsey Hussle. I saw this happen with multiple artists that, like, died before they Were able to, like, in my opinion, like, really kill the game.

[E]

Yeah. Big L correct.

[A]

Big L is another one. So I want to ask Jada Kiss in front of y', all, and I want y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

I want you to give you. I'm gonna give you a second to think about it. I want to know your favorite Biggie verse. Because I was thinking about this on the way here. I have, like, like 19,000, my favorite Jadakiz verses. So I know this is going to be a tough question for you. Something that he said, something that touched your soul. Something that's so for you.

[B]

It's a song he got with Tracy Lee.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

The rings and things you think about bring him out. It's hard to yell with the barrel in your.

[B]

That's when he said, I got a. I got a new mouth to feed do stuff with keys y' all pick sees out y' all weed I watch cowardly motherfucker please it's my block and my rock that hip hop the one tools and you don't stop me and my man Lance to Kim and season vans bought 10 grits 4 pounds of weed plants from Branson now we lamping 12 room mansion get knackered off get money play his anthem don't dancing other hits other kick be counterfeit Robin come naturally in and out like rapidly pass

[D]

the gat to me Tom F that

[B]

online Baby B forever.

[E]

Thank y'.

[C]

All.

[E]

Thank y' all for coming. Definite, definitely.

[B]

You don't gotta go home. You gotta get the. Get out of here.

[A]

And so. And so I want to ask the same question to Fat Joe. And by the way, I got a discovery. Joe, you're not fat anymore. What are we doing?

[D]

I spent all my money.

[B]

What you doing, man? I got my brother Jason Terry in the building, man.

[D]

Yo, I was gonna bring you up. Jason Terry, the Jet. Make some noise for the championship. Jason Terry, Dallas Maverick, Utah Jazz assistant

[B]

coach, brother for life.

[A]

So I want to ask the same question as Joey that thinks we call him crack because he was in third grade and stood up and somebody looked at the back of his ass and he want to sell that to us. I love you very much. Thank you, Fancy. Thank you. We don't call you crack because of that, just so you know. We call you crack because of.

[D]

What is the question, Jack?

[A]

The question is your favorite Big Pun verse.

[D]

Oh, the Middlewood.

[A]

Mine's just.

[D]

I need you to catch the harsh realities of life to take the toll. Even Jesus Christ forsake my soul. You ain't a killer. Still Learning how to walk from New York to Cali or my real niggas, Karen Chalk, walk you to death. Won't even talk that east of west crap from Ross. Who left Rack? We still Big Pun. That still ain't a killer. It's crazy.

[B]

Rest in peace.

[D]

That's my favorite Big Pun song. Love, love, love. Everybody else would just say, dead in the middle of Little Italy, right? That guy. Guy was crazy. He wrote records in his sleep. True story. He wrote records in his. He would nod out. He had that shit where you fall asleep.

[A]

That's Styles Speed.

[D]

Styles Speed does that too. Why?

[B]

He's the ghost, man. He go to. He put the beat on, go to

[A]

sleep, wake up, go in the pool.

[D]

That Styles turn on the beat, turn

[B]

all the lights off, the electricity, everything.

[A]

He wake up, he got the whole song.

[D]

That's the craziest ever. I thought Pun was the pun. To fall asleep, wake up and be like, yo, give me the book. Start writing a whole song that he heard in his sleep. And I'll be like, damn. That night. He was beyond talented and gifted. And even though I discovered pun, he taught me so much. That's why I. You know, the whole game. When Big Pun passed, because he was so much better than me, they thought it was over for Fat Joe.

[B]

They counted him out.

[E]

What?

[D]

But no, everybody. My best friends. My best friends, they didn't know I went to the school of Big Pun. He taught me how to write. He taught me how to make.

[B]

Y' all got 30 minutes. They go, I gotta go get rid.

[D]

Yo, listen, everybody. Joe and Jada, Sports.

[B]

Joe and Jada.

[D]

Love, love, love.

[B]

We love you.

[D]

Yo, Cali, my sham God. Yo, Cali. What's up?

[A]

Teach your son, the sham guy.

[D]

McDonald's all Americans.

[A]

Teach your daughter to sham. Yes.

[E]

Shout out McDonald's all Americans.

[A]

Shout out to all the McDonald's all American.

[E]

Changed a bunch of lives.

[A]

And I gotta say this because it's the McDonald's All American event, and I didn't say this, but I want to say this as a basketball player. When you realize that you're going to the McDonald's game, oh, that's the first time you realize you going to the league.

[E]

Yes. You got a shot.

[A]

Is that right?

[E]

And I remember they used to give me those cards to get Chicken McNuggets. When you making McDonald's over here.

[D]

Surprise. I ate that the whole year.

[A]

So, love, thank y' all for pulling up.

[E]

Thank you.